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imcvspl
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""Most religions are virtual reality games" "


  

          

"Most religions are virtual games superimposed on the reality of life. Do this, and there’s a penalty. Do that, and you get extra points. There is nothing in reality that corresponds to these rules. But you have millions of people playing these virtual reality games. So what is the difference between a religion and a virtual reality game?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/the-post-human-world/517206/?utm_source=feed

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Excellent article. Definitely gonna check for that book too. Also...
Feb 20th 2017
1
Its more of a framework.
Feb 20th 2017
2
how does stoning homosexuals help anyone?
Feb 21st 2017
6
      how does hyperbolic retorical questions help anyone?
Feb 21st 2017
7
           His statement/question isn't hyperbolic tho...
Feb 21st 2017
12
                Boogie is right
Feb 21st 2017
13
good article. interesting that's what you decided to pull out tho.
Feb 20th 2017
3
It's a great quote, though the example isn't that great
Feb 20th 2017
4
VR doesn't lead to mass mind control or self destroying violence
Feb 21st 2017
5
"There is nothing in reality that corresponds to these rules."
Feb 21st 2017
8
^^
Feb 21st 2017
10
The idea that you need religion for morality is complete horseshit
Feb 22nd 2017
22
      I agree although I like the idea of a default baseline of conduct
Feb 22nd 2017
23
It's the notion of 'right rules' that's problematic
Feb 22nd 2017
14
      How so?
Feb 22nd 2017
15
           really, really easily.
Feb 22nd 2017
17
           Can you give an example where people have gone wrong in life
Feb 22nd 2017
18
                I can give a couple...
Feb 22nd 2017
19
                     I don't think that's quite treating others the way you want to be treate...
Feb 22nd 2017
24
           RE: How so?
Feb 22nd 2017
20
Yuval Harari is an Atheist. So, I take it as that.
Feb 21st 2017
9
Even if religion is like VR someone(s) had to create the system
Feb 21st 2017
11
Eh. You could easily say man created each system
Feb 22nd 2017
16
      as far as religion goes definitely but life isn't defined by religion IM...
Feb 22nd 2017
21

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1. "Excellent article. Definitely gonna check for that book too. Also..."
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Mon Feb-20-17 10:32 AM by Somnus

  

          

dude basically was expounding on the core tenets of Buddhist philosophy when he talked about the advent of biotechnology (albeit ironically) ushering us into the REAL realization that there is no "true self."

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2. "Its more of a framework."
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The things a religion requires you to do are designed to actually benefit you and the community.

There is a reason why this or that is good or bad... it is because of the sometimes unforeseen consequences.

  

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Atillah Moor
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6. "how does stoning homosexuals help anyone? "
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Kama7
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7. "how does hyperbolic retorical questions help anyone?"
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You seem to have a problem with stoning homosexuals... I do too.

That does not take away from the fact that a religion's intent is to provide a guideline for a better self, family and community.

If it is interpreted or not implemented correctly then thats another issue entirely.



  

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12. "His statement/question isn't hyperbolic tho..."
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unless "hyperbolic" has a new definition.

Furthermore, the intention of religion as
presented to specific groups is very arguable.
Even if we look beyond slavery to Christianity
as presented by the Romans, the intent was
control of the Jewish population through the
introduction of a peaceful and docile messiah
as to prevent any uprising.
Now when we look at slavery, we see that wasn't
the first time religion was used to control
and subjugate.

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Atillah Moor
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13. "Boogie is right "
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I don't disagree that religion is meant to help provide a better image for humans to emulate but then you must ask yourself when mankind was of one speech (according to the Bible) and thus much closer to one religion why did god(s) find it necessary to confuse it if godlike is the model were to be focused on?


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3. "good article. interesting that's what you decided to pull out tho."
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imcvspl
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4. "It's a great quote, though the example isn't that great"
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Atillah Moor
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5. "VR doesn't lead to mass mind control or self destroying violence "
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Tue Feb-21-17 10:14 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

at least not to the scale of religion

  

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8. ""There is nothing in reality that corresponds to these rules.""
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I think that's bullshit. When you live by the right rules, you lead a better more fulfilling life in my personal opinion.


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10. "^^"
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Thats what Im saying ... Extremism aside.. religion does actually make for a better community in the way that at least people expect to be treated a certain way.

  

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22. "The idea that you need religion for morality is complete horseshit"
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23. "I agree although I like the idea of a default baseline of conduct"
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That should be expected from everone never forced.

  

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14. "It's the notion of 'right rules' that's problematic "
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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15. "How so?"
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I think rules evolve and might be different for different people, but if you live by the basic golden rule "treat others how you want to be treated". How can you go wrong in life living by that?


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17. "really, really easily."
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also very few people do it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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18. "Can you give an example where people have gone wrong in life"
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following the rule "treat others how you want to be treated"?


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19. "I can give a couple..."
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Sexual harassment on the job... everyone doesn't
joke like you do.
An extrovert walking up chattering away to an introvert
who's sitting alone... or an introvert giving their
extrovert partner space when they're upset.

None of those situations work out well, because the
person doesn't want what you'd want in the same situation.


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24. "I don't think that's quite treating others the way you want to be treate..."
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I don't think you can quite call sexual harassment just a case of someone treating someone the way they would want to be treated.

No one wants UNWANTED sexual advances.

Same with the extroverted example. Even an extrovert should understand when anybody just doesn't want to be bothered.

Even still. The extroverted/introverted examples aren't really moral questions.



>Sexual harassment on the job... everyone doesn't
>joke like you do.
>An extrovert walking up chattering away to an introvert
>who's sitting alone... or an introvert giving their
>extrovert partner space when they're upset.
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>None of those situations work out well, because the
>person doesn't want what you'd want in the same situation.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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20. "RE: How so?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13127772&mesg_id=13127772&page=#13128170

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9. "Yuval Harari is an Atheist. So, I take it as that."
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11. "Even if religion is like VR someone(s) had to create the system "
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but in reality life seems to be more like VR than religion. Religion seems more like what conditions the VR user can alter or implement for their experience in the system.

  

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16. "Eh. You could easily say man created each system"
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21. "as far as religion goes definitely but life isn't defined by religion IM..."
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religion just defines life for people. So I was saying in that context religion would be more like an "OS" or "story mode settings" and life in general would be the actual system. But either way the argument is that systems (life or religion) require designers.

  

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