http://wgntv.com/2016/10/14/chicago-police-release-video-of-female-officer-beating/

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i didn't watch the video, but hey whaddayaknow, the cams worked this time....

The scariest cops to me are the ones that *know* that they don't stand a chance against me, physically. Always thinking they would be the first to resort to extreme violence.

I feel bad for the officer in this case. She didn't really have much of a chance against a bigger, hopped-up dude.

black females basically just stood there and watched.

But people think its a good idea to send women in the military into combat though...

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one summer. My tags were expired by like a week and I got caught out there. Fair enough. I wasn't able to make it to DMV during regular hours until my off day. Anyhoo...as first cop is talking to me, a second car pulls up. After having me step out the car, one cop is basically running my license while the other is standing with me at the back of the car. It was summer, so I had on summer shit. "you're a big boy...what do you do?" "I'm a mechanic". "You do something special to get that size?" "nope...just like staying in shape". Dude was really feeling a way that I was probably 80lbs more than him.

...we hadn't done anything really (some dude we were with got into an argument with another dude). Cops put all of us against the wall. Well, the officer that rolled-up asked me "what are you guys doing?" me, being a wise-ass (and knowing we were clean and didn't do nuffin'), responded:

"Standing here with my hands against the wall"

Cop got PISSED. Said "What? You think you can be a smart-ass because you're 6'8"?" (I'm not even 6'8", lol, but that's how he saw things). I just apologized and STFU after that, but it was crazy how fast he let me know he was a bit intimidated.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

looks like got slammed, not her

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-citing-beating-of-officer-chicago-s-top-cop-says-police-are-second-guessing-themselves-20161006-story.html

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Should be thinking about using deadly force as a last resort instead of a first instinct.

Like theyre trained to do in the academy.

that's what i want them to do.

that officer signed up for the job. sometimes that means she's gonna be in a situation like this and end up injured. no one needed to lose their life in this situation and indeed b/c this officer 'second guessed (herself)' no one lost their life.

good stuff.

fuck you.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Never understood how dudes smoked something that smelled like burning plastic.

but none of them are questioning their training here?

Like Truth said, there were 5 cops on site and they couldn't get him down? I don't care if they were women. Even a civilian guy jumped in to help. Where were the tasers from jump? If you suspect he might be on something...tasers should be juiced and ready to go. Back up should be on the way. Monitor the situation until you have the force to subdue him non-lethally.

If he gets tasered to death because he's hopped up on PCP and was too big and strong to restrain, it looks a lot better than them going straight for their side arm because they are scared of someone's size. Bigger people don't need to be policed differently than anyone else. If it were a 5'2", 135lbs white female would she feel like she should have to shoot him?

In the end, it's a dangerous job. She took some bumps and bruises to protect civilian lives AND the assailants but in the end NOBODY DIED!

Which is a success and I feel like it was very disheartening that the top cop didn't commend her for making a difficult choice to handle this sans deadly force than to admonish those who don't think your first or second course of action should be to kill unarmed people who have drug problems.

I always go back to the kid in FL who killed the couple in their garage. He was tasered, had police dogs sicced on him and THEN 5 officers took him down and he had a murder weapon near him and had committed two homicides. Cops should show that sort of strategic thinking to protect lives (even of the criminal) and make those accountable in a court of law.

This guy had a traffic incident and wasn't armed. The answer isn't to KILL everybody that resists. Get off the police force if you think it is.

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her head on the street.

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Tasers (at least the ones I'm referring to) are the long range joints with the two wires that drop you upon contact.

Stun guns aren't as effective on PCP users because it only effects the muscles and they have no reaction to pain under that situation. They are effective for close quarter struggles but so are the tasers I'm referring to. A taser disrupts the nervous system and when you're hit with those, you tend to just drop.

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whered u learn so much about this stuff?

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All staff had to have training on ASP, Pepperspray, tasers.

Also, I've had a vested interest in police procedure lately so I've done a little research.

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"I'm going to taste you in like 2 seconds", later when they are wrestling on the ground you can see the wires.

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>"I'm going to taste you in like 2 seconds", later when they
>are wrestling on the ground you can see the wires.

People use taser to describe the action, even if they are actually using a stun gun. I didn't see the wires in the video so you could be right BUT a taser is only effective if it hits the skin (or near it). If he tried to get it off during the struggle, there's a good chance he missed and they are one shot weapons. I didn't see anyone reload either.

The thing is, they should have tasered him out the gate, from distance. Not after you're in close quarters and there's extreme risk. They didn't have a good strategy for this incident.

And given there was no immediate danger/threat, they had time to come up with a plan. The police force failed itself here.

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>In the end, it's a dangerous job. She took some bumps and
>bruises to protect civilian lives AND the assailants but in
>the end NOBODY DIED!

I don't know, if we have to choose between cops getting head bashed in sidewalk and shooting some dude hopped up on PCP, I am cool with shooting the dude on PCP.





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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I don't know, if we have to choose between cops getting head
>bashed in sidewalk and shooting some dude hopped up on PCP, I
>am cool with shooting the dude on PCP.

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>>I don't know, if we have to choose between cops getting head
>>bashed in sidewalk and shooting some dude hopped up on PCP,
>I
>>am cool with shooting the dude on PCP.
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>I don't know, if we have to choose between cops getting head
>bashed in sidewalk and shooting some dude hopped up on PCP, I
>am cool with shooting the dude on PCP.

First thing I said was "they should be questioning their training". From the video, dude was walking down the street, unresponsive and look like he was under the influence of something BUT not a danger to anyone at this point.

At that point, you taser up (the long range joints) and call for back up. Get no less than 5 officers on the scene, 4 are armed with tasers, to ensure at least one gains contact with his skin and one is armed with his/her side piece, only to discharge if there's eminent danger to fellow officers or civilians. Tasers work? It's done. Tasers don't, multiple officers rush the assailant and subdue him in unison, approaching from multiple sides to make sure you gain the advantage.

Use deadly force ONLY if necessary at that point.

This video showed 2 officers (one a smaller woman) trying to subdue dude and failing, no taser issued out the gate, which should be used due to non-compliance imo (given his size and the risk), no identifiable strategy to approach the assailant who was obviously big in stature and under the influence.

That backfired.

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if 5 cops can't get one guy down they need to be fired.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>if 5 cops can't get one guy down they need to be fired.
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nah.
This is actually kind of how an encounter is *supposed* to go.

Hell, dude wasn't actually a risk to anyone at all when they rolled upon him to begin with. So the cops still may have escalated the situation unnecessarily.

on occasion. If you want to kill join the military. If you can't fight, protect yourself, or take an ass whooping, don't be a cop.

That's wishful thinking.

The funny thing is I thought you were talking people high on PCP when you said "get your head bashed because you chose to to deal with nuts"



>on occasion. If you want to kill join the military. If you
>can't fight, protect yourself, or take an ass whooping, don't
>be a cop.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And sometimes you'll get the short end of the stick.

Your ideology got you not making common sense or street smart.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I mean this whole argument is kind of pointless since policing in general is pretty corrupt not to mention biased so sure - just shoot everyone. Who really gives a shit anyway?

>I mean this whole argument is kind of pointless since
>policing in general is pretty corrupt not to mention biased so
>sure - just shoot everyone. Who really gives a shit anyway?

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They say cops should use enough force to control the situation and protect lives. Seems like 5 people should be able to handle that without shooting someone, but the only thing I know for certain is that police are agents of corruption.

>They say cops should use enough force to control the
>situation and protect lives. Seems like 5 people should be
>able to handle that without shooting someone, but the only
>thing I know for certain is that police are agents of
>corruption.

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literally

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like dude said 6 feet vs 5 is an automatic disadvantage. Kind of makes it easy for a trigger happy lady to "fear for her life" don't you think?

There's always K-9 or hostage negotiator if they want action.

>Your ideology got you not making common sense or street
>smart.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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and you don't comply does NOT mean you need to be shot/killed.

The context of a situation matters.

Officers should be trained to strategically subdue, unarmed, non-threating, non-compliers.

This isn't a 'heat of the moment' issue, they STARTED their procedure wrong and due to that, one officer was roughed up.

You're really calling people insane because they value human life?

I think it's insane to ignore nuance due to fear and think murder is the solution.

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>I don't know, if we have to choose between cops getting head
>bashed in sidewalk and shooting some dude hopped up on PCP, I
>am cool with shooting the dude on PCP.
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He looked like he was dusted?

and mfers in here co-signing that BS, SMH

do better okayplayer

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>He looked like he was dusted?
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>and mfers in here co-signing that BS, SMH
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>do better okayplayer

can't believe Black people are down with cops shooting first.

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Yall in here saying if the choice is between a cop getting their head smashed in the ground by someone on PCP and shooting that person, then the cop should get their heads smashed in the ground.


That's just a ridiculous fringe opinion. An unrealistic and unreasonable expectations for someone serving as a police officer.

You do a disservice to the cause of fighting against police brutality by espousing it.

The standard for use of deadly force has generally always been justified only when the officer believes it is necessary to “defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force"?

Do you disagree with that stance?





>>He looked like he was dusted?
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>>and mfers in here co-signing that BS, SMH
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>>do better okayplayer
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>can't believe Black people are down with cops shooting first.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I have no problem shooting the guy on pcp...is problematic in more than a few ways

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This didn't start with the cop on the ground getting her head bashed in.

>Yall in here saying if the choice is between a cop getting
>their head smashed in the ground by someone on PCP and
>shooting that person, then the cop should get their heads
>smashed in the ground.
>

Come on you're skipping everything that happen before the cop was on the ground.

>That's just a ridiculous fringe opinion. An unrealistic and
>unreasonable expectations for someone serving as a police
>officer.
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What kind of opinion is "Shoot the guy on PCP"

>You do a disservice to the cause of fighting against police
>brutality by espousing it.

You do a disservice to Blacks when you buy into the kill the scary guy on drugs before he kills you police narrative.

>The standard for use of deadly force has generally always been
>justified only when the officer believes it is necessary to
>“defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or
>she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of
>deadly physical force"?
>
>Do you disagree with that stance?
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Yes I agree with that stance.

Do you agree that the police could do more before these situations get to the point that someone has to die.

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they subdue the problem without guns

>they subdue the problem without guns

but these two in thread and those like them are not trying to hear that.

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used deadly force when their lives are at stake?

You going to need receipts for that homey.



>>they subdue the problem without guns
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>but these two in thread and those like them are not trying to
>hear that.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

Yet we can't figure out how to down an unarmed guy on drugs who's actually not a trying to harm anyone?

Our police training/strategy sucks.

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They should have shot him.

2.) Where do you get that PCP dude wasn't "trying to harm anyone?"


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
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>Yet we can't figure out how to down an unarmed guy on drugs
>who's actually not a trying to harm anyone?
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>Our police training/strategy sucks.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>They should have shot him.

Correction: they COULD have shot him but I guess they value life more in the UK than we do here. But I guess Sociopathic behavior is par for the course in the good ole US of A

>2.) Where do you get that PCP dude wasn't "trying to harm
>anyone?"

Who was in danger before the cops tried to apprehend him? So when they arrived on the scene, he wasn't trying to harm anyone. If they were trying to apprehend him, he wasn't complying and they suspected he was on something THAT's when you strategically take him down. Not run up on him all willy nilly with no plan and get handled.

The london cops had a strategy and it worked.

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his car into a store? You really asking that?!!??


RE: 1) I'd take their look over killing unarmed people all day


Dude wasn't unarmed. He was armed with a Machete.


>>They should have shot him.
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>Correction: they COULD have shot him but I guess they value
>life more in the UK than we do here. But I guess Sociopathic
>behavior is par for the course in the good ole US of A
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>>2.) Where do you get that PCP dude wasn't "trying to harm
>>anyone?"
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>Who was in danger before the cops tried to apprehend him? So
>when they arrived on the scene, he wasn't trying to harm
>anyone.


You mean who was in danger from the dude who just ran his car on the sidewalk and into the store?

I am going to say people on the sidewalk and people in the store to start.



If they were trying to apprehend him, he wasn't
>complying and they suspected he was on something THAT's when
>you strategically take him down. Not run up on him all willy
>nilly with no plan and get handled.

You did not see the entire exchange. Didn't hear all of it. Maybe there was a chance to de-escalate. I don't think either of us can be sure.

Don't let that blind you to overtly non-appropriate aggressive behavior. Chicago PD have a VERY poor reputation and traditionally skate on de-escalation.

>You mean who was in danger from the dude who just ran his car
>on the sidewalk and into the store?
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>I am going to say people on the sidewalk and people in the
>store to start.

He was out of his car, no one was hurt and there was minor property damage. He was walking down the street post accident.

That's a misdemeanor at worst. If he was still in the car or assaulting someone, you'd have a case. This is just poor logic.

>You did not see the entire exchange. Didn't hear all of it.
>Maybe there was a chance to de-escalate. I don't think either
>of us can be sure.

De-escalating is not jumping out your squad car and aggressively hand cuffing someone. If they aren't complying, you have other options and if there are 5 cops on the scene, you should be able to handle this guy without it getting to this point. The CPD failed strategically and it led to this.

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the gun culture that we have here.

I don't think their regular police officers even carry guns.

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who's not complying.

We're talking about context. You and Buddy are advocating a female cop should have shot and killed this unarmed man on PCP because she got handled due to physical disadvantages.

My WHOLE point is, they need better training for these situations so they don't get into them in the first place. The circumstances were that they could have strategically subdued this guy without having to risk one of them getting mollywopped as such.

Work smarter...not harder.

Same reason the chick in Tulsa is charged with Manslaughter. If the perp is unarmed as far as you can tell, you use NON-Lethal force to subdue.

If "fear for your life" will be your stat response in all interactions with people and therefore you feel it's fair game to kill indiscriminantly, quit the force, stat because every day you go into work, fear for your life is #1 on the list of concerns.

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her head on the street trying to kill HER!

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If you approach a 6'4" 255lbs dude on the street and you are 5'6", 139lbs...YOU are the dummy for thinking he gonna bow to your will.

ESPECIALLY if you had time to size him up and come up with a plan, which they indeed had that time.

You guys are attacking the symptom...not the cause. They approach the situation smarter, she's not in a position to have to decide if she should shoot an unarmed civilian.

After the fact, I get it, y'all are right, she had the right to protect herself. She shoots him, it's justified but why would you or a cop PREFER that situation to what I'm suggesting?

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after the fact but people that live that live daily don't always have that luxury. In this situation she was actually trying to back up the male officer who was the more aggressive one. There were 2 other female officers there that did absolutely nothing, a random civilian that was standing around did more than they did.

Think a bigger issue in this case is they have lower standards for women to be police officers but nobody here wants to have that conversation.

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when I get pulled over there's always at least 6 of these jokers and I'm sober