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"I saw Birth of a Nation last night"


          

The crowd was screaming, cheering, crying, yelling... shit was amazing.

Scale of 10 it was an 8.5.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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saw it Thursday
Oct 08th 2016
1
Filmweek skewered it..but I get it isnt for them
Oct 08th 2016
2
This is a love/hate movie
Oct 08th 2016
3
      People know the ending of basically all "based on a true story"
Oct 08th 2016
6
           Unfortunately I think people see NATE Turner as a hero
Oct 08th 2016
7
           Nat inspired so many that came after him
Oct 09th 2016
8
           mainly bc of the way it's "importance" was marketed
Oct 18th 2016
290
                It's actually still very important.
Oct 18th 2016
292
Shit was all that. Great movie
Oct 08th 2016
4
Not expecting to see them but almost no positive reviews from popular
Oct 08th 2016
5
Yezzir! Just came out da jawn 'bout 45 mins ago!
Oct 09th 2016
9
We went to a theatre that serves alcohol
Oct 09th 2016
10
      Hol'tight..HOL'TIGHT! ! ! They serve likka inna theaters where you stay?
Oct 10th 2016
33
           it's pretty common by now I thought
Oct 10th 2016
59
           I've been to one where they have waitresses
Oct 10th 2016
63
           Bruh, they also have plush leather electric recliners and assigned seats
Oct 10th 2016
62
                We need this shit in Raleigh/Durham BAD
Oct 10th 2016
66
                *Thows TV crazy* @ those seats!
Oct 10th 2016
75
                From what I hear it was a shitty theatre until they remixed it
Oct 10th 2016
84
                lol...thought they had them jawns everywhere...
Oct 10th 2016
98
                Thats the joint on Monroe Rd, right?
Oct 11th 2016
136
                     yup, I live right next to Mason Wallace Park up the road.
Oct 12th 2016
192
YO!!! This film was amazing.
Oct 09th 2016
11
RE: YO!!! This film was amazing.
Oct 09th 2016
14
RE: YO!!! This film was amazing.
Oct 10th 2016
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      RE: YO!!! This film was amazing.
Oct 10th 2016
35
           The sermon after the feeding... bruh
Oct 10th 2016
44
                For real for real. Gets me every time.
Oct 10th 2016
64
The film seemed too focused on "humanizing" Nat Turner
Oct 09th 2016
12
Huh? Nat Turner was human, a real person
Oct 09th 2016
13
He was a real person, and this film didn't represent him well enough
Oct 09th 2016
19
Oh! That's another lie I meant to mention.
Oct 09th 2016
15
He saved the plantation while witnessing horros
Oct 09th 2016
16
Right. Shit literally had him in tears.
Oct 09th 2016
17
Why insert the rape of wife into the movie if not to add a motivation?
Oct 09th 2016
20
      Bruh, you realize rape of slaves was common
Oct 09th 2016
23
      Inserting it short-changed his other motivations for rebellion
Oct 09th 2016
24
           Gonna have to disagree with you on this
Oct 09th 2016
25
                Thats kind of my point, why put the rape in there at all?
Oct 09th 2016
27
                     Cause rape was a big part of slavery
Oct 09th 2016
28
                          But this was not a part of Nat Turner's story as we know it
Oct 09th 2016
29
                          It wasn't a documentary, it didn't bother me at all
Oct 09th 2016
30
                          so...next movie will detail male anal rape then
Oct 11th 2016
158
                               You are so hurt... shit is almost sad.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    If that makes you feel better
Oct 12th 2016
273
      No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see
Oct 10th 2016
31
      You misunderstand, I do see the other motivations
Oct 10th 2016
37
      You're still lying.
Oct 10th 2016
65
      He knew what he was doing when he baptized the white guy
Oct 10th 2016
67
           That was an act of conviction and part of the character of Nat Turner
Oct 10th 2016
68
           Maybe you're right, but I got the feeling he was decided by that point
Oct 10th 2016
70
                Bruh, everyday they fantasized about killing their masters
Oct 10th 2016
77
                I'm basically saying the movie was a 7/10 instead of an 8 or 9/10
Oct 10th 2016
78
                The movie spells out when he was decided. It wasn't until he buried
Oct 10th 2016
79
                     I'm not a Christian so perhaps it didn't come across in the same way
Oct 10th 2016
83
                          Ftr, I'm not either, but I was raised as one... in the south actually. n...
Oct 10th 2016
88
           You keep saying the rape was tacked on like it put him over the edge
Oct 10th 2016
69
           I felt the romance and his family as a whole felt tacked on
Oct 10th 2016
73
                He made this on a shoe string budget
Oct 10th 2016
80
                     I can accept those reason, it just didn't quite meet my expectations
Oct 10th 2016
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           And??? So what if it was... that white man wanted Nat to baptize him
Oct 10th 2016
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                I don't have any problem with the baptism
Oct 10th 2016
74
      You've explained this in the most concise and lucid way imaginable
Oct 10th 2016
85
           ^^^^
Oct 10th 2016
116
           Is the title really that lost on y'all?
Oct 10th 2016
118
      RE: No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see
Oct 11th 2016
152
           RE: No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see
Oct 12th 2016
160
      You wildin' Sun!
Oct 10th 2016
32
What?
Oct 09th 2016
18
More dead white people
Oct 09th 2016
21
RE: More dead white people
Oct 09th 2016
26
      Nah, this was independently made
Oct 10th 2016
41
           I think it's #2
Oct 10th 2016
46
                RE: I think it's #2
Oct 10th 2016
47
                If I gotta see his wife literally beaten and raped into a bloody lump
Oct 10th 2016
52
                It's DEFINITELY 2. This joint cost $10 million
Oct 10th 2016
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More focus on the planning and execution of the rebellion
Oct 09th 2016
22
Alias aside, this response has extreme coon levels!
Oct 10th 2016
36
Sorry I won't fall in line and blindly praise the move
Oct 10th 2016
38
White
Oct 10th 2016
43
I'm not white. You know this is a movie right? And I said it was good?
Oct 10th 2016
45
.
Oct 10th 2016
55
The "line" right now is the opposite - it's to say that the movie
Oct 10th 2016
48
      I didn't say the movie was trash, I said it was good
Oct 10th 2016
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           I peeped that and edited.
Oct 10th 2016
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                It is in this discussion apparently
Oct 10th 2016
51
                     Look outside of OKP. Almost everything I've seen about the
Oct 10th 2016
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                          I've seen that. I don't think any critics want to be seen praising it
Oct 10th 2016
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                          Rotten Tomatoes is at 79% right now.
Oct 10th 2016
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Lol
Oct 10th 2016
39
I'm sure it's a white person behind the keys. nm.
Oct 10th 2016
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That aspect had my full attention and I'm glad he went that
Oct 10th 2016
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What books have your read to back up your argument of what a slave
Oct 11th 2016
145
it was a good flick
Oct 10th 2016
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All historical fiction films change things up.
Oct 10th 2016
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Basically
Oct 10th 2016
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Homey mad that the story wasn't faithful to the White Dude's account
Oct 10th 2016
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      RE: Homey mad that the story wasn't faithful to the White Dude's account
Oct 10th 2016
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           Sooo, what are the contemporary accounts of Nat Turner's rebellion
Oct 10th 2016
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                uhm...nat turner
Oct 10th 2016
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                     O really? You sure about that?
Oct 10th 2016
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                          RE: O really? You sure about that?
Oct 10th 2016
108
                          Mr. Africana Studies, You are truly embarassing yourself. Please stop.
Oct 10th 2016
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                               RE: Mr. Africana Studies, You are truly embarassing yourself. Please st...
Oct 10th 2016
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                                    You aren't following, so I'll simplify and hope you comprehend
Oct 10th 2016
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                                    RE: You aren't following, so I'll simplify and hope you comprehend
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         OK, now read my point #3 again...even slower.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                              RE: OK, now read my point #3 again...even slower.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    Bruh, that Nation Article is some hater shit
Oct 11th 2016
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                          the white man's story
Oct 10th 2016
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                               There is a rape culture link at the top of that article
Oct 11th 2016
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                                    RE: There is a rape culture link at the top of that article
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         again, it's not a documentary
Oct 11th 2016
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                                              our stories dont get told
Oct 11th 2016
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                                                   well those people wouldn't even know who Nat Turner is without this movi...
Oct 11th 2016
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RE: it was a good flick
Oct 10th 2016
113
RE: it was a good flick
Oct 10th 2016
114
Yeah... they deviated from Nat's Autobiography to much
Oct 11th 2016
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      RE: Yeah... they deviated from Nat's Autobiography to much
Oct 11th 2016
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           Link/Reference to these KNOWN facts please
Oct 12th 2016
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                RE: Link/Reference to these KNOWN facts please
Oct 12th 2016
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Coworkers asked me what I did this weekend... you think I told them?
Oct 10th 2016
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Whit lead asked me same question. I looked'em dead in the eye too
Oct 10th 2016
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      White girl in the office asked if it was good
Oct 10th 2016
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           Right.. LOL
Oct 10th 2016
115
Wait, why are people in here saying Nat Turner's wife was NOT raped?
Oct 10th 2016
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That's not what happened in the movie though
Oct 10th 2016
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I didn't see the movie but what is your exact point?
Oct 10th 2016
90
      I think it's because of Nate's accusations irl...
Oct 10th 2016
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           It's a shame how easy it STILL is to control negroes.
Oct 10th 2016
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                Double agents who claimed there was no violence against whites
Oct 10th 2016
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                     amazing, ain't it?
Oct 10th 2016
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                     so...do these double agents just not watch Atlanta
Oct 10th 2016
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                          dunno if its a secret mystery plot or no...but people have written
Oct 10th 2016
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                          who knows
Oct 10th 2016
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                          The film went from the Toast of Sundance with all Rave reviews....
Oct 10th 2016
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                               film festival hype is such an established trend
Oct 10th 2016
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                                    Fair enough but how many of those films were the subject of organized
Oct 11th 2016
124
                                         Exactly... most of these reviews are on some bullshit
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         Most movie critics aren't paid at all, lol.
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         I think you got it right. I just know there is no way that liberal maga...
Oct 11th 2016
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                                              They'd be far less likely to pan, I agree.
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         thanks for joining this discussion of BOAN!
Oct 11th 2016
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                                         your question proves my point.
Oct 11th 2016
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                                              Not sure how my question proves your point but I will give you
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                   my point is that it doesn't take opposition or scandal
Oct 12th 2016
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                          If you aren't in here to talk about BOAN please stfu... thanks
Oct 10th 2016
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Some people want the film to be 100% accurate
Oct 10th 2016
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People are wanting to live in the Blind
Oct 10th 2016
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Every 'important' biopic faces criticism for inaccuracies.
Oct 10th 2016
103
Correct.
Oct 11th 2016
127
i actually think it's fair this time around
Oct 12th 2016
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      RE: i actually think it's fair this time around
Oct 12th 2016
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Are people afraid that this film will be taken as a factual account?
Oct 11th 2016
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they are definitely afraid of something
Oct 11th 2016
120
partially...but that's in relation to it's marketed "importance"
Oct 12th 2016
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7.1 Mil!!!
Oct 11th 2016
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People are quick to call it a flop but what were the realistic box offic...
Oct 11th 2016
131
12 Yrs A Slave: Wide Opening Weekend: $6,675,731
Oct 11th 2016
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It's going to do 30 to 40 mill domestically
Oct 11th 2016
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It met expectations and if there wasn't a storm
Oct 11th 2016
133
With the lead up it will need word of mouth
Oct 11th 2016
147
now that we've established that only government agents hate Nate Parker
Oct 11th 2016
142
Not sure what your angle is with this...
Oct 11th 2016
143
it's just weird how certain people suddenly got a bug up their ass
Oct 11th 2016
144
      Not as weird as all the people who scream about supporting black art
Oct 11th 2016
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           Black rapey art is all yours dude
Oct 11th 2016
156
           Color Purple could've been such a huge movie if it weren't for...
Oct 12th 2016
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           you saying steven spielberg raped?
Oct 12th 2016
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                I'm saying Color Purple is so-called "black rapey art"
Oct 12th 2016
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                     this is why you are who you are
Oct 12th 2016
258
                          I am who I am because I tell the truth.
Oct 13th 2016
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                               You lie to yourself daily
Oct 13th 2016
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           Your poutrage makes it even more enjoyable
Oct 12th 2016
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                lol, i'm not shocked at yall at all
Oct 12th 2016
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                labels, gotta read the labels... - GZA
Oct 12th 2016
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                I'm so glad no one is going to get confused and think that maybe
Oct 12th 2016
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           you would think that's weird. to consistently show up and show out.
Oct 12th 2016
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Yeah I think you are missing the point.
Oct 11th 2016
150
^^^^^^
Oct 11th 2016
153
Beyond the Lights didn't have even a scrap of awards buzz, to be fair.
Oct 11th 2016
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Beyond the Lights didn't have even a scrap of buzz
Oct 12th 2016
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you've replied to something that's not my post.
Oct 12th 2016
161
He specifically addressed everything you said.
Oct 12th 2016
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which isn't true, but you said it.
Oct 12th 2016
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I could re-write what I just wrote or you could just re-read what I just...
Oct 12th 2016
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      yep its about "bad games journalism"
Oct 12th 2016
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      or, you could admit what you're actually talking about
Oct 12th 2016
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Man this is some gospel
Oct 12th 2016
169
Buddy shut all that shit down with that post.
Oct 12th 2016
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Like...
Oct 12th 2016
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I know it's the gospel of what you want to believe
Oct 12th 2016
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nah he has the point
Oct 12th 2016
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      Oh I will be absolutely clear, I think he got a raw deal re: the rape
Oct 12th 2016
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           we ARE clear on what you consider this to be
Oct 12th 2016
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                Real Talk: Do you know any black men?
Oct 12th 2016
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                     i know better black men than you
Oct 12th 2016
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                          Jeez you are so ridiculous in your hate. Keep shadowboxing that
Oct 12th 2016
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                               You've been remarkably helpful in showing that you're a shitty person
Oct 12th 2016
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                               Nigga, you just start getting some like a couple of years ago and Now
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    yes, I know you're jealous of me personally and professionally
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    RE: yes, I know you're jealous of me personally and professionally
Oct 12th 2016
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                                         I'm sure that's what you think it is.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                              Name the personal or professional metric you think you have something
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                   I'm sure you're very accomplished in reality
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                        Who has the unskewd perception? Everyone's perception is "skewed"
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                             nothing moral about your jealousy
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                                  Again, Jealous of you? How? What could I be jealous of you about?
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                                       you know and I know bruh
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    He is still trying to atone for past sins and misogyny
Oct 12th 2016
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                                         hey man, if you're not hear to talk about BOAN
Oct 12th 2016
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                               Bruh, she always been off
Oct 12th 2016
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                               you tell on yourself
Oct 12th 2016
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It's about history!
Oct 11th 2016
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      it's funny how they only show up for a very specific set of characterist...
Oct 12th 2016
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      Yep
Oct 12th 2016
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      So you don't want people to show up for Nat Turner?
Oct 12th 2016
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           you only show up for a rapey ass nat turner flick
Oct 12th 2016
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           I like that you're willing to lie about what I said.
Oct 12th 2016
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      RE: It's about history!
Oct 12th 2016
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           Gotta show and prove
Oct 12th 2016
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           Showing and proving daily
Oct 12th 2016
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                nope
Oct 12th 2016
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                     No, I don't kowtow
Oct 12th 2016
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                          not being a misogynist
Oct 12th 2016
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                          Not agreeing with you
Oct 12th 2016
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                          which isn't true at all, but you said it.
Oct 12th 2016
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                          he's about to really get in his feelings now
Oct 12th 2016
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                          theres disagreement, then theres misogyny
Oct 12th 2016
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                               they're Billy Bushes
Oct 12th 2016
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                               pretty much
Oct 12th 2016
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                               You still haven't done anything but make an accusation
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    well, if you've decided there's not enough evidence against you
Oct 12th 2016
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                                         yes, your strategy seems to be working as well
Oct 12th 2016
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                                              I have no idea who or what you're responding to.
Oct 12th 2016
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                          Beyond this movie, this place is not worth it
Oct 12th 2016
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                               Nevermind that ppl wanted a Nat Turner film for ages.
Oct 12th 2016
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                               see, you have to lie
Oct 12th 2016
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                               That's actually yall lying to deny that.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    is that a direct quote of something I said?
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    If I have time to find it in the crates, I'll let you know.
Oct 13th 2016
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                                    So you, well read black women supporter have decided
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    This is a pretty weird response...
Oct 13th 2016
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                                    does it make you feel better?
Oct 12th 2016
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                               I assumed he was innocent until I read the trial transcript, phone trans...
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    those transcripts both damn him and exonerate him though
Oct 12th 2016
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                                         this isn't doubt or critical thinking in here
Oct 12th 2016
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                                              If we're so beneath you why are you here?
Oct 13th 2016
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                                              yall dont like truth
Oct 17th 2016
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                                                   Again, if we're so beneath you then why are you here?
Oct 17th 2016
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                                                        Posterity
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                             Lmfao.. talk about people lying to themselves.
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                                  you support status quo
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                                       Wrong again
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                                       RE: Wrong again
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                                       And you say it's us ignoring things for convenience lol
Oct 21st 2016
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                                                                       YEP
Oct 21st 2016
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                                              lmao at this show your work shit
Oct 18th 2016
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                               Uhh no. Where was the rape allegations for his other movies?
Oct 12th 2016
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                               he didn't direct any other movies
Oct 12th 2016
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                               RE: Beyond this movie, this place is not worth it
Oct 12th 2016
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                          haven't lied one time.
Oct 12th 2016
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                               LOL
Oct 12th 2016
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           you don't seem to understand how logic works.
Oct 12th 2016
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                Reply 161 says you're projecting again.
Oct 12th 2016
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                     please, do the thing where you lie and say I lied
Oct 12th 2016
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                          We already know that's your game. You're doing it to other folks
Oct 12th 2016
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                               I will enjoy my day!
Oct 12th 2016
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                                    don't threaten me with a good time!
Oct 12th 2016
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                                         nigga gon fuck around and have me tiptoeing through the tulips
Oct 12th 2016
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                                              Lmao at the gruesome twosome
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                   show me the post where I said anyone
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                        and there it is
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                             Because enthusiasm over something you enjoy is unheard of
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                                  I like how you try to string together unrelated data points
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                                       I like how you just make shit up to keep your attack going.
Oct 12th 2016
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                                                                            you misspelled 'give you positive feedback on your efforts"
Oct 12th 2016
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Saw it Friday. Due to the hurricane Only one theater was open in Orland...
Oct 11th 2016
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There was one white dude but he was trying to pass
Oct 11th 2016
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That's pretty funny...
Oct 12th 2016
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      Did they think it was 12 Years part 2?
Oct 12th 2016
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If you're not going to see this but shelling out loot for
Oct 12th 2016
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Because you think that's your only other option...
Oct 12th 2016
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No, actually, there are other options
Oct 12th 2016
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What's wrong with that?
Oct 12th 2016
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This website is not the audience for Madea. Like, at all, lol.
Oct 12th 2016
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      this is the worst place to make that argument
Oct 12th 2016
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This Gary Gnu ass nigga trying to get this post locked
Oct 12th 2016
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oh i want it archived
Oct 12th 2016
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you call yourself gary gnu and you want the post locked?
Oct 12th 2016
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Interview with the cast (LINK)
Oct 14th 2016
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thanks, this is great.
Oct 14th 2016
280
Powerful movie, I can understand why they don't want us to see it...
Oct 16th 2016
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Yep, and on the flip...
Oct 16th 2016
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You see it! There's a very real agenda behind the sabotaging
Oct 16th 2016
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      yep, 200+ years later black folks still falling for the same trick
Oct 17th 2016
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           Niggas are proudly admitting they aren't going to watch a slave revolt
Oct 17th 2016
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Companion book, for classrooms:
Oct 16th 2016
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Yo thanks for sharing this.
Oct 18th 2016
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^^^^^ This is for those complaining about the accuracy
Oct 19th 2016
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      yeah....
Oct 24th 2016
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It's currently done 13 mil... budget was 8 mil.
Oct 21st 2016
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Thas whassup!
Oct 21st 2016
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      Yeah.. I think they can get to 20 mill.
Oct 21st 2016
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Saw it tonight...and I have to say...
Oct 21st 2016
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dope review
Oct 21st 2016
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Curious about this statement
Oct 21st 2016
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      At the very least he has shown questionable judgement and an incredible
Oct 21st 2016
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           How tho, in your opinion?
Oct 21st 2016
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           I'm a husband and father now....
Oct 21st 2016
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           Again...
Oct 24th 2016
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                I was confused as well...
Oct 24th 2016
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                Using the women in your life as a shield against accusations is Trumpian...
Oct 25th 2016
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                     Ah ok, I thought that statement was your own.
Oct 25th 2016
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           wrong spot
Oct 24th 2016
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           Why do you say this?
Oct 21st 2016
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           You can maintain your innocence and still show empathy for the person...
Oct 21st 2016
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                I don't think he handled it the best way, but I think he was damned
Oct 25th 2016
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           What other films can you site where he has this problem
Oct 21st 2016
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           Typo, should have been singular.
Oct 21st 2016
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           I've been thinking about this a LOT lately
Oct 24th 2016
319
                Has anyone come up with a better list of "Black male privilege" yet?
Oct 25th 2016
323
Too many cliche movie moments
Oct 24th 2016
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RE: I saw Birth of a Nation last night
Oct 25th 2016
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https://media.giphy.com/media/13Ev9571xt8Bdm/giphy.gif
Oct 25th 2016
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90% of Black men accused of rape are accused by white women
Oct 25th 2016
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      Interesting that some women here want to talk about it only in terms....
Oct 25th 2016
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      This point cannot be overstated...
Oct 26th 2016
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      White womens ice is colder?
Oct 26th 2016
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      FALSELY accused***
Oct 26th 2016
328

Crash Bandacoot
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1. "saw it Thursday"
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it was a well done horror "movie"

  

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rdhull
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2. "Filmweek skewered it..but I get it isnt for them"
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legsdiamond
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3. "This is a love/hate movie"
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I'm not surprised some reviewers hated it. It has its flaws but I also think a lot of "reviewers" are going in with their arms folded.

I enjoyed it.

Not trying to spoil it but seeing a slave owner get murked is a beautiful thing.

We all know how the story ends but stil, those few hours of rebellion were gorgeous. I wish the whole movie was just the rebellion in slow motion.

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6. "People know the ending of basically all "based on a true story""
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movie. How is this "based on a true story" movie penalized for it though?

Not blaming you but its a criticism I hear that is clearly a bias or ignorant view point. My only real issue is that I never hear this shit in real life for me to call that person a dumb fuck to their face. And I bring that shit up looking for the opportunity.

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stop at the light mayne,
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7. "Unfortunately I think people see NATE Turner as a hero"
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and this is why they don't like the movie. He is the hero even tho he dies in the end and that pisses people off.

I also think a lot of people who claim we need our story told don't want it told without a white hero somewhere in the story or a Django type ending.

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8. "Nat inspired so many that came after him"
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William Garrison and John Brown. Harriet was just being born around the time of Nat's death. I'm sure she learned from his attempt.

Nat's actions was and is America's nightmare. Not to mention any rebellion by 13% of a population is going to end up losing.

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stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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290. "mainly bc of the way it's "importance" was marketed"
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if it was important...why not make it far more accurate

it would still have been a blockbuster and likely been as Oscar-worthy as people were hoping it would be

but mainly bc a largely untaught black story can't really afford to be diluted by Hollywood...that ruins it's importance imho...it's no longer important if it at least doesn't play with as many documented facts as possible

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292. "It's actually still very important."
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You'd have to see it in order to understand
that tho.

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4. "Shit was all that. Great movie"
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Totally different feeling leaving this film than I had when I saw "12 years a slave"

Saw the movie in a mostly white neighborhood but there were no whites in the theater. Which I think is a shame as whites need the education as much as black people. All Americans were fed a bullshit history on how the US became a super power.

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5. "Not expecting to see them but almost no positive reviews from popular"
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media outlets.

I thought this film was tough. Humanized what are misnomered slaves.

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9. "Yezzir! Just came out da jawn 'bout 45 mins ago!"
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I knew it was gonna be real so I smoov snuck a small bottle
of Fireball whiskey into dat jawn. On those moments when I wanted ta cry, I just double'd down on a good shot to assuage dat shit.

Film was real and tellin' AWALL MY NINJAZ ta go see dat shit.
Fuck a *spoiler, yo dat scene when Nat cold took Sam out without blinkin' had me playin' the congas. I mean he GREW UP wit dat ninja, but when shit got REAL?....Somebody gotta go!

Dat shit was CRUCIAL!

Nate Parker a G for dis shit, CERTIFIED...Put a stamp on'eem(c)KevHart



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10. "We went to a theatre that serves alcohol"
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Plus wifey made a tight ass greyhound

I was up in that bitch screaming "die cracka die"

When Nat asked for permission a woman in the crowd screamed "go on baby, you got my permission"

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33. "Hol'tight..HOL'TIGHT! ! ! They serve likka inna theaters where you stay?"
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What state/city is this? ? ?

I might need ta move where you is...

I'm from Sactown/Cali by the way..

Educate me Duke.



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59. "it's pretty common by now I thought"
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The one theater I go to that doesn't serve alcohol inside is in a mall that has a food court that serves alcohol.


That's a great addition to malls as well. Nothing like knocking back a couple beers then wandering around aimlessly.


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63. "I've been to one where they have waitresses"
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I didn't like it because they kept bothering me.

West Philly has one with a full bar but you can't take the drinks in the theatre.

This one has local breweries on tap... not sure if they have liquor, I just slow sip an ipa with my feet up. Shit is lovely.

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62. "Bruh, they also have plush leather electric recliners and assigned seats"
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It only has about 50 seats in each theatre. 8 seats to a row. Shit is the truth.

Only problem is you have to move your recliner up when someone wants to get past you.

It's $11 and 5 minutes from the crib.

Peep these seats

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66. "We need this shit in Raleigh/Durham BAD"
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Been to one theater like this and it
was in Wichita of all places

  

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75. "*Thows TV crazy* @ those seats!"
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Da fuk kinda upper echelon luxury shit was dat?...

Sactown losing right now. We don't got NO KINDA shit like that out here?

Word bond, I clicked that link and thought I was lookin at Jordan crib or some shit.


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84. "From what I hear it was a shitty theatre until they remixed it"
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I used to drive past that theatre to go to another one.

My boy was like "bruh, those seats bruh"

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98. "lol...thought they had them jawns everywhere..."
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you lay back and hit a button and they bring you food and dranks. A little table pulls out for you to eat on. Shit is great.

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136. "Thats the joint on Monroe Rd, right?"
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That used to be our "local" before we moved. Crazy how they remodeled the whole thing.

We go to the jawn in Phipps Plaza here in the A...full bar, you can bring your shit in the theater, leather recliners, but yeah, mad small, and you have to reserve your seats.

Felt bad having a Jack and Coke when we saw "Selma", but damn if that 22oz Sweetwater 420 didnt help me get through Suicide Squad

  

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192. "yup, I live right next to Mason Wallace Park up the road. "
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11. "YO!!! This film was amazing."
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I don't cry at all, and I had tears in my eyes
a couple of times bruh.
And I LITERALLY FUCKING HATE these people lying
on the film, saying it doesn't show killing of
no white folks, because it most definitely DOES
show it. These people are doing 12 much trying
to sabotage this film. Fuck em all.
but I digress...
This thing is extremely well-done. Nate does
a fantastic acting job, as usual, as does every
actor in this entire movie. The cast did a
phenomenal job.
I won't give any spoilers, but good god this
movie is great. I'ma see it again.

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14. "RE: YO!!! This film was amazing."
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>I don't cry at all, and I had tears in my eyes
>a couple of times bruh.
>And I LITERALLY FUCKING HATE these people lying
>on the film, saying it doesn't show killing of
>no white folks, because it most definitely DOES
>show it. These people are doing 12 much trying
>to sabotage this film. Fuck em all.
>but I digress...
>This thing is extremely well-done. Nate does
>a fantastic acting job, as usual, as does every
>actor in this entire movie. The cast did a
>phenomenal job.
>I won't give any spoilers, but good god this
>movie is great. I'ma see it again.


These folks straight lied about the violence.

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34. "RE: YO!!! This film was amazing."
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>I don't cry at all, and I had tears in my eyes
>a couple of times bruh.

Yep, along wit da whiskey, it was moments where I had ta
use zen meditation mantras ta keep from lettin dem tears go...
It was moments where it took EVERYTHING IN ME to hold it down!
Few films have done that to me,...dis shit was REAL!

>And I LITERALLY FUCKING HATE these people lying
>on the film, saying it doesn't show killing of
>no white folks, because it most definitely DOES
>show it. These people are doing 12 much trying
>to sabotage this film. Fuck em all.

Later for dem ninjaz..


>but I digress...
>This thing is extremely well-done. Nate does
>a fantastic acting job, as usual, as does every
>actor in this entire movie. The cast did a
>phenomenal job.
>I won't give any spoilers, but good god this
>movie is great. I'ma see it again.

Yep to alladis. Nate showed a vulnerability seldom seen on screen!
Like, in those indignant moments when you KNEW he wanted ta buck but couldn't and had ta swallow pride, you FELT dat shit! He did a genius job of conveying that emotion in a way that is very hard to translate on camera. Sun real!

And yeah, Ima cop ANOTHA bottle of whiskey and go see dis shit again fa sho! No Bullshit, might even be tommorow...



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35. "RE: YO!!! This film was amazing."
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>Like, in those indignant moments when you KNEW he wanted ta
>buck but couldn't and had ta swallow pride, you FELT dat shit!
> He did a genius job of conveying that emotion in a way that
>is very hard to translate on camera. Sun real!


This is so true, man. I'm hard pressed to think
of another movie that does such a good job of
speaking without speaking. The way this movie
was done was just genius level in that regard...
which makes me even more upset that people are
out here lying on it. This was a VERY well-done
film.


>And yeah, Ima cop ANOTHA bottle of whiskey and go see dis shit
>again fa sho! No Bullshit, might even be tommorow...
>


Bruh, I actually left that comment after I saw a
twilight showing, came home and washed clothes, then
went back for the 10:00 showing LOL. I love this
fuckin movie.



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44. "The sermon after the feeding... bruh"
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The whole theatre went to church

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64. "For real for real. Gets me every time."
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12. "The film seemed too focused on "humanizing" Nat Turner "
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Or at least too focused on humanizing him within a kind of rote framework. The focus on Nat Turner the husband, the father, the rape of his wife being the final straw before the rebellion, it's kind of a traditional story of rebellion but it's not truly reflective of Nat Turner's story.

I'm glad they got the visions in there, but a lot of his history as an enslaved person wasn't there, and the actual rebellion didn't get the focus it deserved. It was a good movie, but there was a chance to do something more daring. There were great moments, but I don't think it was a great movie

  

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13. "Huh? Nat Turner was human, a real person"
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I think it's what made the movie so good.



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19. "He was a real person, and this film didn't represent him well enough"
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Obviously you can't expect these "based on a true story" movies to be 100% historically accurate, but I felt like they short-changed the rebellion in favor of an invented narrative

  

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15. "Oh! That's another lie I meant to mention."
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>rape of his wife being the final straw before the rebellion
>

One of those silly saboteurs also said
this, and I didn't get that feeling. It
just seemed like one of the MANY things
that led up to it. The only way one comes
to that conclusion is not seeing/feeling
the weight of how much all those other
things wore on him. The movie actually
made that very clear, so it definitely
wasn't a flaw in the movie if y'all didn't
see it.

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16. "He saved the plantation while witnessing horros"
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on other plantations...

I really hate all the misinformation about this movie. Blatant lies

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17. "Right. Shit literally had him in tears."
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20. "Why insert the rape of wife into the movie if not to add a motivation?"
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And why is that motivation necessary? The atrocities of slavery and the visions he had should have been enough, the stuff with his wife and her rape felt artificial and cliche to me

  

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23. "Bruh, you realize rape of slaves was common"
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Why are you acting like it was so extra?

Are you white?

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24. "Inserting it short-changed his other motivations for rebellion"
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I'm not white, I'm black, and I know very well that rape was common, but inserting it into the film as one of his motivations felt off to me. He had plenty of reason to rebel, and that's been document historically, and I think putting the rape of his wife in the film was unnecessary, unoriginal and unhistorical

  

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25. "Gonna have to disagree with you on this"
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There were so many things that pushed him over the edge.

I don't want to give spoilers but the rape was one of 15 or so things that got him to that point.

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27. "Thats kind of my point, why put the rape in there at all?"
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There's plenty of motivation for the rebellion without the rape

  

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28. "Cause rape was a big part of slavery"
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We may not like it but rape happened a lot on plantations

It's weird because an African American professor at OSU was mad at Mate because he didn't SHOW the rape scenes... which seemed like an odd critique to me

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29. "But this was not a part of Nat Turner's story as we know it"
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It seems to be entirely an invention for this film. And it wasn't the only rape in the film, so it's not like the movie didn't touch on it already

  

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30. "It wasn't a documentary, it didn't bother me at all"
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158. "so...next movie will detail male anal rape then"
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And you'll be front and center!
Or is that the only part of history you're eager to see on scene w "historical accuracy"?


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227. "You are so hurt... shit is almost sad. "
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273. "If that makes you feel better"
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About the crap you post
Go with that story
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31. "No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see"
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the rest of the motivation for the rebellion?
That's an important question here.
There's even a moment in the film where he flashes
back to ALL of these things before he decides
there needs to be a rebellion.
Why aren't these things registering for you?

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37. "You misunderstand, I do see the other motivations"
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That's what "final straw" means. And the other motivations are more than strong enough to carry off the rebellion on their basis, which is why the rape felt tacked on and unnecessary to me. He had plenty of reason to want to rebel and adding the rape trope on just distracts from the real reasons

  

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65. "You're still lying."
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>That's what "final straw" means.


Even if we go with that angle, it wasn't the
final horrible thing that happened before the
rebellion. It was him receiving the lashings
for baptizing the white man... then his grand-
mother died. So are we gonna deal with this
lie yall are telling, or are you going to
keep running from it?


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67. "He knew what he was doing when he baptized the white guy"
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That in itself was an act of rebellion

  

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68. "That was an act of conviction and part of the character of Nat Turner"
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When you refer to "the rebellion", you nor anyone
else is referring to the baptism.
Let's be real here.


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70. "Maybe you're right, but I got the feeling he was decided by that point"
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I'll admit that that wasn't explicit, so maybe I'm wrong on that, but I felt like he stood up to Samuel Turner and took the lashing for the baptism as a demonstrative act

  

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77. "Bruh, everyday they fantasized about killing their masters"
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So it's a little nitpickey to point to one reason or another as being tacked on unnecessarily.


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78. "I'm basically saying the movie was a 7/10 instead of an 8 or 9/10"
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So I am being nit picky in a way. It was one thing that stuck out to me that could have done better

  

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79. "The movie spells out when he was decided. It wasn't until he buried"
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his grandmother and read the bible verse about
killing men women and children. That verse was
critical in the development of the story.
They showed that on the page for a very specific
reason. He baptized the man for the exact reason
he stated... he felt like all God's children
deserve repentance. He was very serious about
his religion, both irl and in the movie.

With that said, I have to reiterate that it wasn't
an act of rebellion, but an act of conviction.
He was willing to "follow God" no matter the
consequences. The baptism showed the strength
of his faith. The rebellion followed as a result
of his faith colliding with new bible verses
outside of the ones he was "supposed" to be reading.
The whipping was part of building a story.

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this, but
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in that
maybe you've never been completely committed to
a religion you grew up in and then evolved within it.
Maybe this isn't easy to understand for everyone.





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83. "I'm not a Christian so perhaps it didn't come across in the same way"
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88. "Ftr, I'm not either, but I was raised as one... in the south actually. n..."
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69. "You keep saying the rape was tacked on like it put him over the edge "
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The malnourishment of slaves
The force feeding
Forcing him to serve and pray a day after...
The baptism
The lashing
Reading the other parts of the Bible that told him they deserved freedom

Bruh, there was so much but I think all this noise about Nate Parkers past has you too focused on that word rape.

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73. "I felt the romance and his family as a whole felt tacked on"
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That was almost all invented for this movie, and it's just not very good writing, it's cliched, and by occupying so much of the movie real elements of his life were left out and the rebellion was short-changed at the end of the moive

  

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80. "He made this on a shoe string budget"
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and I think the last thing Nate wanted to do was have Nat Turner come across as a savage beast who killed white folk for pleasure on some Django 2.0

I loved the family/love portion of the movie because it showed Nat Turner was a man who was driven to murder and wasn't born a murderer.



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82. "I can accept those reason, it just didn't quite meet my expectations "
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72. "And??? So what if it was... that white man wanted Nat to baptize him"
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If you are a man of God and someone asked you to baptize them why wouldn't you do it? He didn't seek that man out, that man came to Nat.

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74. "I don't have any problem with the baptism"
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85. "You've explained this in the most concise and lucid way imaginable"
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They'r not getting it because they dont want to. The movie is too precious to them. Accuracy be damned.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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116. "^^^^ "
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it's all good either way....personally, i thought it felt a bit extra too...but it didn't bother me too much

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118. "Is the title really that lost on y'all?"
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Just think for more than two seconds
what the original is about and why the
rape was included. Yall ain't this slow.

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152. "RE: No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see"
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i feel like it was when he baptized the white man and got beat for it was what pushed him over the edge.

If it break when it bend you bette not put it in

  

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160. "RE: No, deal with your lie first. The question is: Why can't you see"
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>i feel like it was when he baptized the white man and got
>beat for it was what pushed him over the edge.
>


Word. If there was anything that was the
"final straw", it was definitely that.
Anyone with a brain who's looking for the
thing that pushed him over the edge should
see that.
That part of the movie had SO much purpose
though, in showing his conviction to his
religion and the belief in the equality of
all people. That's a part of the real Nat
Turner's character that cannot be understated,
so I'm glad it came through in the movie.



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32. "You wildin' Sun!"
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18. "What?"
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>I'm glad they got the visions in there, but a lot of his
>history as an enslaved person wasn't there, and the actual
>rebellion didn't get the focus it deserved. It was a good
>movie, but there was a chance to do something more daring.
>There were great moments, but I don't think it was a great
>movie
>
>

Please explain how you could have made this amazing mover better? Please?

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21. "More dead white people"
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>>I'm glad they got the visions in there, but a lot of his
>>history as an enslaved person wasn't there, and the actual
>>rebellion didn't get the focus it deserved. It was a good
>>movie, but there was a chance to do something more daring.
>>There were great moments, but I don't think it was a great
>>movie
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>>
>
>Please explain how you could have made this amazing mover
>better? Please?

The revolution got shafted...I have my reasons why I think Nate did it tho...
Ill mull it over. Good movie tho.

  

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26. "RE: More dead white people"
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>>>I'm glad they got the visions in there, but a lot of his
>>>history as an enslaved person wasn't there, and the actual
>>>rebellion didn't get the focus it deserved. It was a good
>>>movie, but there was a chance to do something more daring.
>>>There were great moments, but I don't think it was a great
>>>movie
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>>>
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>>Please explain how you could have made this amazing mover
>>better? Please?
>
>The revolution got shafted...I have my reasons why I think
>Nate did it tho...

to get the movie made?

  

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41. "Nah, this was independently made"
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I figure it's one of 3 things.

1)Nate's been trumping hard on how Christian he is and with the heavy bible allegory inherent in the film the choice not to focus on 'eye for an eye' for the WELL DESERVED violence against ofay seems in line with what you get out of heavily Christian filmmakers that let their beliefs seep into their work (stay just and your reward will be in the end bullshit)

2)Budget. Killing white people on screen costs money/time. For instance the scene when homie got revenge for dude raping his wife happened off screen as opposed to a more complicated scene in doors where you gotta choreograph it, etc.

3)Make it more mainstream, like you said.

But it could also be my expectation; it was less about a slave rebellion(which is what I hoped for) than the Nat Turner story. Even with my critiques it was a good movie tho.

  

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46. "I think it's #2"
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47. "RE: I think it's #2"
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and I also think not showing some of the brutality was a smart move.

Our minds are creative enough to go there without seeing it.

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52. "If I gotta see his wife literally beaten and raped into a bloody lump"
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I expect Saw: The Slaveowner edition, in Imax 3D, for my movie dollar, lol.

>Our minds are creative enough to go there without seeing it.

  

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95. "It's DEFINITELY 2. This joint cost $10 million"
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22. "More focus on the planning and execution of the rebellion"
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and a more accurate depiction of his time as an enslaved person

  

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36. "Alias aside, this response has extreme coon levels!"
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38. "Sorry I won't fall in line and blindly praise the move"
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Oh wait, no I'm not sorry

  

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43. "White"
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45. "I'm not white. You know this is a movie right? And I said it was good?"
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I'm not critiquing the actual Nat Turner and I didn't even say this movie was bad, I think it was very good, I just thought it could have been great and wasn't, and I've explained my thinking

  

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55. "."
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48. "The "line" right now is the opposite - it's to say that the movie"
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is trash.

  

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49. "I didn't say the movie was trash, I said it was good"
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I think a lot of critics are being caught up in the Nate Parker controversy, which explains a lot of the critical reaction. I don't think it's a perfect movie, but the critics seem to be overly harsh in a way they wouldn't usually be

  

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50. "I peeped that and edited."
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But still, your point is not somehow against the grain at all.

  

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51. "It is in this discussion apparently "
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53. "Look outside of OKP. Almost everything I've seen about the "
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film since the fever pitch of the controversy has claimed that it's somewhere between meh and trash. A complete and total reversal of the hosannas that that were being thrown at it before the summer.

  

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54. "I've seen that. I don't think any critics want to be seen praising it"
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With this whole Nate Parker thing. Which is weird because they usually have no trouble praising Roman Polanski or Woody Allen films

  

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57. "Rotten Tomatoes is at 79% right now. "
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I think most critics are motivated by Nate Parker off film.

Also, our we really surprised a movie about slaves killing white folk would receive tons of praise in America when the director is black?

Don't get me wrong, it's not a classic but for his first film it's pretty damn good IMO.

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39. "Lol"
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40. "I'm sure it's a white person behind the keys. nm."
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.

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42. "That aspect had my full attention and I'm glad he went that"
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route.

Most people, even alot of Black folks, don't know much about Nat Turner at all, so it was necessary and well done.

  

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145. "What books have your read to back up your argument of what a slave"
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life entailed?

I know you read no more than one so the above was rhetorical because a slaves life was drastically different depending on the owner, state, crops and time period.

Stop the dumb shit.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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56. "it was a good flick"
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too many historical inaccuracies to do one of my biggest heroes justice though

1 nat traveled to those other plantations to preach alone

2 no evidence cherry was ever gang raped

3 the whole romancing of cherry seems to be fabricated

4 the boy who ratted was a fabrication...

5 the visions were downplayed

6 no evidence nat had a child

7 they killed more than just samuel at that house

8 nat ran away for over a month and returned on his own

there's more but...

the movie moved me and i know more people will learn about Nat through this then through studying up on him

cant give steak to babies

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60. "All historical fiction films change things up."
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All of them.

  

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61. "Basically"
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93. "Homey mad that the story wasn't faithful to the White Dude's account"
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because the only account that survives is the white guy's account of what happened.

SMH.


>All of them.


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97. "RE: Homey mad that the story wasn't faithful to the White Dude's account"
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u sounding real uninformed right now

it was the white mans account that nat previously escaped?

it was the white man's account that whites didnt know what was going on for 24 hours because there wasnt a snitch?

that nat had it like that to travel alone?

i have a degree in africana studies and studied with baraka...

coon ass negro like yourself prolly never read a black history book

in the other post arguing against more blacks being in congress smfh

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102. "Sooo, what are the contemporary accounts of Nat Turner's rebellion "
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not written by White People?


You know you struggling in a debate when you got to call names and cite your credentials rather than make your point with logic, facts and substantiation.



>u sounding real uninformed right now
>
>it was the white mans account that nat previously escaped?
>
>it was the white man's account that whites didnt know what was
>going on for 24 hours because there wasnt a snitch?
>
>that nat had it like that to travel alone?
>
>i have a degree in africana studies and studied with
>baraka...
>
>coon ass negro like yourself prolly never read a black history
>book
>
>in the other post arguing against more blacks being in
>congress smfh

Yeah now I got to question the very credentials you citing if you aren't aware of the problems that anyone who has looked at the issue recognizes the problem that Black Districts create in representation outside of those black districts.

if you need me to cite sources and facts I will. Cause I can do that... Professor.



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104. "uhm...nat turner "
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committed shit to paper

smfh

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107. "O really? You sure about that?"
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I'm going to give you one last chance to walk it back Mr. "degree in africana studies and studied with baraka..."

>committed shit to paper
>
>smfh


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108. "RE: O really? You sure about that?"
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(1) have you read the confessions?

(2) they used it against him in the trial... nat said it was "full, free, and voluntary"

(3) in it he only copped to killing one person... a woman... why would the white man write that?

the white man wrote the intro and the outro

but i know you didnt read it just from what you saying

and if you are dismissing the confessions then there is no other first hand sources and the whole conversation is moot. youre dismissing the movie as well because ALOT of the movie came from whats in that book

visions... that scene about him being a prophet...the blood/hieroglyphics on the corn, the small sword he was captured with

you cant have it both ways homey

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111. "Mr. Africana Studies, You are truly embarassing yourself. Please stop."
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You would be making less of a fool of yourself if you just acknowledge that you didn't know that Nat Turner did not himself "commit that shit to paper" (your words) and instead his confession was recorded by a white man, slave owner no less, and used against him in a court of law.

And I know you don't want to further embarass yourself by trying to argue that the confession must be 100 accurate, because he said in court, at his trial, that he gave the confession "full, free, and voluntary". The Central Park Five said their confessions were "full, free, and voluntary". You take that at face value too?

You say Slave Owner Thomas Gray only wrote the intro and outro. No nigga, he wrote the whole thing. Ostensibly it was to record word for word Nat Turner's confesssion. but we don't know his motivation. We don't know what he chose to not include, and we don't know the accuracy of what he chose to include. Alot of what there is to know about Nat Turner is lost to history unfortunately.


That doesn't mean I dismiss the account outright. That means that I take the account with a grain of salt and try to filter it through a historical, contextual lens (You know, what they should have taught you to do when you were studying this stuff).

It also means that I don't dismiss the notion that Nat Turner's wife was raped just because it wasn't in the confessions. If she had a slave owners children, she was raped. Period. How many times and where it happened is lost to history.

It also I don't have an issue with NP taking creative license to fill in the history of Nat Turner because, again, alot of what actually happened is lost to history (as long as it, of course, historically accurate for the period of course).

So again, don't go down a road that embarassing you because you didn't know certain things about Nat Turner. It got you arguing stupid stuff like arguing that rape of his wife didn't happen and we must trust the slave owners versions of events as 100 percent accurate.

Just say you didn't know and move on. I happen to know not because I am this huge africana scholar. The shit happened two counties over from where I grew up. We was reading and studying these accounts since middle school.




>(1) have you read the confessions?
>
>(2) they used it against him in the trial... nat said it was
>"full, free, and voluntary"
>
>(3) in it he only copped to killing one person... a woman...
>why would the white man write that?
>
>the white man wrote the intro and the outro
>
>but i know you didnt read it just from what you saying
>
>and if you are dismissing the confessions then there is no
>other first hand sources and the whole conversation is moot.
>youre dismissing the movie as well because ALOT of the movie
>came from whats in that book
>
>visions... that scene about him being a prophet...the
>blood/hieroglyphics on the corn, the small sword he was
>captured with
>
>you cant have it both ways homey


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112. "RE: Mr. Africana Studies, You are truly embarassing yourself. Please st..."
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>And I know you don't want to further embarass yourself by
>trying to argue that the confession must be 100 accurate,
>because he said in court, at his trial, that he gave the
>confession "full, free, and voluntary". The Central Park Five
>said their confessions were "full, free, and voluntary".
>You take that at face value too?

lol... difference being the CP5 denied those accounts the moment they stepped out the precinct. and nowhere did i say that it was 100% accurate. i said it was nat's story in his words. again why would the white man say he only killed one person or talk about the injustice of slavery (as a slaveholder)... why not just make Nat a brute if he was gonna spin shit? your own logic defies you


>That doesn't mean I dismiss the account outright. That means
>that I take the account with a grain of salt and try to filter
>it through a historical, contextual lens (You know, what they
>should have taught you to do when you were studying this
>stuff).
>
>It also means that I don't dismiss the notion that Nat
>Turner's wife was raped just because it wasn't in the
>confessions. If she had a slave owners children, she was
>raped. Period. How many times and where it happened is lost
>to history.

I didnt say she wasnt raped...i said she wasnt gang raped.

>It also I don't have an issue with NP taking creative license
>to fill in the history of Nat Turner because, again, alot of
>what actually happened is lost to history (as long as it, of
>course, historically accurate for the period of course).

the fact that sam turner wasnt alive when the rebellion happened is a fact. and that nat had another master at the time is a fact. and he traveled alone to preach are facts. that he didnt kill sam turner is a fact

>So again, don't go down a road that embarassing you because
>you didn't know certain things about Nat Turner. It got you
>arguing stupid stuff like arguing that rape of his wife didn't
>happen and we must trust the slave owners versions of events
>as 100 percent accurate.

again i said she wasnt gang raped lol... keep putting words in my mouth

nowhere did i say it was 100% accurate

who's embarassing themselves?

>Just say you didn't know and move on. I happen to know not
>because I am this huge africana scholar. The shit happened two
>counties over from where I grew up. We was reading and
>studying these accounts since middle school.

again... on the one hand u trying to discount the confessions but the framework of the confessions are the framework for the movie. you cant have it both ways. and there ARE FACTS which nate purposely distorted

you should really read that nation article... and come back and apologize

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117. "You aren't following, so I'll simplify and hope you comprehend"
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these 3 simple points.

1. Never take at face value that any confession given by a slave is every given "full, free, and voluntary". Even today we know that many black men often give false confessions IN COURT under duress. BTW, you don't feel funny making the argument that we should trust these sort of jailhouse confessions?

2. A white slave owner's documentation of Nat Turner's confession isn't Nat Turner's story "in his words." Please stop saying that. Again we don't know what Thomas Gray's motivations are. Again, we don't know what he left out, why he chose what he chose to leave in, and what was fabricated. You can trust the slaver owner as being a trusted source, I don't.

3. The film being factually inaccurate isn't at all disqualifying because 1.) All historical films are and 2.) the factual record of Nat Turners life and death is so sparse, the only way you can tell his story is with some creative license. You keep pointing to the fact that NP's account is based on Thomas Gray's account to suggest I can't have it both ways by not trustig Thomas Gray's account but that doesn't follow at all. My point is that I don't trust the factual accuracy of EITHER account. The fact is most of Nat Turner's life is a mystery. Same with his wife. Heck we don't even have confirmation that they were married. If that's the case how are you certain that she was never gang raped? Because Thomas Gray didn't mention it? Does that make sense as the basis for knowing definitely that it didn't happen? Not saying NP could make anything up but I would argue that being factually accurate is not as important as being historically accurate.



Anyway, I am done here. I hope points 1 and 2 sink in before you keep going around bragging about your africana studies. #3 might be too much for you to digest in one setting, hopefully you get it but can live with it if you dont.




>>And I know you don't want to further embarass yourself by
>>trying to argue that the confession must be 100 accurate,
>>because he said in court, at his trial, that he gave the
>>confession "full, free, and voluntary". The Central Park
>Five
>>said their confessions were "full, free, and voluntary".
>>You take that at face value too?
>
>lol... difference being the CP5 denied those accounts the
>moment they stepped out the precinct. and nowhere did i say
>that it was 100% accurate. i said it was again why would the white man say he only killed one
>person or talk about the injustice of slavery (as a
>slaveholder)... why not just make Nat a brute if he was gonna
>spin shit? your own logic defies you
>
>
>>That doesn't mean I dismiss the account outright. That
>means
>>that I take the account with a grain of salt and try to
>filter
>>it through a historical, contextual lens (You know, what
>they
>>should have taught you to do when you were studying this
>>stuff).
>>
>>It also means that I don't dismiss the notion that Nat
>>Turner's wife was raped just because it wasn't in the
>>confessions. If she had a slave owners children, she was
>>raped. Period. How many times and where it happened is
>lost
>>to history.
>
>I didnt say she wasnt raped...i said she wasnt gang raped.
>
>>It also I don't have an issue with NP taking creative
>license
>>to fill in the history of Nat Turner because, again, alot of
>>what actually happened is lost to history (as long as it, of
>>course, historically accurate for the period of course).
>
>the fact that sam turner wasnt alive when the rebellion
>happened is a fact. and that nat had another master at the
>time is a fact. and he traveled alone to preach are facts.
>that he didnt kill sam turner is a fact
>
>>So again, don't go down a road that embarassing you because
>>you didn't know certain things about Nat Turner. It got you
>>arguing stupid stuff like arguing that rape of his wife
>didn't
>>happen and we must trust the slave owners versions of events
>>as 100 percent accurate.
>
>again i said she wasnt gang raped lol... keep putting words in
>my mouth
>
>nowhere did i say it was 100% accurate
>
>who's embarassing themselves?
>
>>Just say you didn't know and move on. I happen to know not
>>because I am this huge africana scholar. The shit happened
>two
>>counties over from where I grew up. We was reading and
>>studying these accounts since middle school.
>
>again... on the one hand u trying to discount the confessions
>but the framework of the confessions are the framework for the
>movie. you cant have it both ways. and there ARE FACTS which
>nate purposely distorted
>
>you should really read that nation article... and come back
>and apologize


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138. "RE: You aren't following, so I'll simplify and hope you comprehend"
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its funny how u skip over all the things i listed that we KNOW arent true

but go head and cook buddy

did nat kill sam turner?
was there a rat in the party?
did they make it to jerusalem?

etc

i bet you believe baines was a true character in malcolm x's life

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242. "OK, now read my point #3 again...even slower. "
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Again being factually inaccurate isn't disqualifying for this movie. If they made up details or changed what we know actually did happen, is not a negative in my opinion unless it is HISTORICALLY inaccurate (yeah it'd be a problem if Nat Turner got a call on a cellphone) or if the changes misrepresent history in a meaningful way.

If you want to make the argument that NP's changes misrepresented history in a meaningful way, I think I'd be game to hear that.

I don't think your PhD you cited did that. If we knew Cherry played a much larger role in the uprising then depicted in the movie, that would be a meaningful distortion of history to downplay the contribution of women.

I don't see how depicting cherry as raped, instead of gang raped, is such a meaningful distortion of history.


>its funny how u skip over all the things i listed that we
>KNOW arent true
>
>but go head and cook buddy
>
>did nat kill sam turner?
>was there a rat in the party?
>did they make it to jerusalem?
>
>etc
>
>i bet you believe baines was a true character in malcolm x's
>life


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257. "RE: OK, now read my point #3 again...even slower. "
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>Again being factually inaccurate isn't disqualifying for this
>movie. If they made up details or changed what we know
>actually did happen, is not a negative in my opinion unless it
>is HISTORICALLY inaccurate (yeah it'd be a problem if Nat
>Turner got a call on a cellphone) or if the changes
>misrepresent history in a meaningful way.

very first post i said i like the movie so i dont know how what im saying "disqualifies" the movie. if your saying its based on nat turner... i dont know...maybe it should be based on nat turner

>If you want to make the argument that NP's changes
>misrepresented history in a meaningful way, I think I'd be
>game to hear that.

the snitch misrepresents history in a MAJOR way. almost every slave rebellion was undone by some sell out taking the plot to the whites. Nats rebellion was special because everyone stood fast. again... folks didnt even know what was happening for 24 hours or so... so yeah i'd say that misrepresentation is major in NATS story even if not in the context of the downfall of other slave rebellions

>I don't think your PhD you cited did that. If we knew Cherry
>played a much larger role in the uprising then depicted in the
>movie, that would be a meaningful distortion of history to
>downplay the contribution of women.
>
>I don't see how depicting cherry as raped, instead of gang
>raped, is such a meaningful distortion of history.

man the way they presented that in the movie it was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back...along with gabrielle unions character being raped.

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121. "Bruh, that Nation Article is some hater shit "
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people are entitled to their opinion but to go in like that on this movie makes me believe she was paid to rip it or is jealous Nate got paid.

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109. "the white man's story"
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but you praised the movie thats taken from the exact source you are questioning. what kinda cognitive dissonance is that? lol

here's a black professor with a PhD in africana studies discourse on the matter

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-birth-of-a-nation-is-an-epic-fail/

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122. "There is a rape culture link at the top of that article"
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c'mon yo, this is a hit piece.

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128. "RE: There is a rape culture link at the top of that article"
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i referenced the article for the historical stuff

you can't argue that brother nate basically made a work of fiction

again... my very first post i said i liked the movie but i'm glad he didn't call it the nat turner story

i don't agree with the article in its entirety ...

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129. "again, it's not a documentary"
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movies always embellish for obvious reasons.

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137. "our stories dont get told"
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birth of a nation is a work of fiction basically

and thats cool... it works as a story

but now *that* becomes nat turners history to many

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141. "well those people wouldn't even know who Nat Turner is without this movi..."
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113. "RE: it was a good flick"
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>8 nat ran away for over a month and returned on his own
>
Wasn't this the way it happened in the movie? By the time he surrendered, Cherry was fully healed, so a good amount of time (maybe not a month) had passed.

  

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114. "RE: it was a good flick"
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he ran away BEFORE the rebellion

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146. "Yeah... they deviated from Nat's Autobiography to much"
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You sound dumb hommie.

Was Nat Alive?
Did he murder slave owners?

The rest is immaterial to me. You worried about minutia when details were scant.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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149. "RE: Yeah... they deviated from Nat's Autobiography to much"
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what slave owner did he kill?? lol he copped to killing one woman

the boy who ratted is minutiae?

one of the illest things about the rebellion is that they planned it across plantations and not one single one of them ratted or spoke of it... they fought til the death

thats seems pretty big to me

sam turner was dead before the rebellion broke out

nat was enslaved on another plantation

these are all things that are KNOWN historical facts

minutiae? lol

its fine to like the movie... i liked it

but fuck that hatchet job to what IS known about nat

y'all motherfuckers either have to love something or hating

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222. "Link/Reference to these KNOWN facts please"
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I'm particularly interested in the below point since they killed all whites they encountered and freed slaves:

"what slave owner did he kill?? lol he copped to killing one woman"

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stop at the light mayne,
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265. "RE: Link/Reference to these KNOWN facts please"
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in the confessions of nat turner he states although they (the other slaves in rebellion) wanted him to draw first blood... he could not bring himself to do it and others did all the killing

he only admitted to killing margaret whitehead

you can read the confessions for yourself...

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58. "Coworkers asked me what I did this weekend... you think I told them? "
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Of course I did.

I was like Tony the Tiger... it was GRRRRREEEAT!!!!!

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86. "Whit lead asked me same question. I looked'em dead in the eye too"
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He told me that he wanted to see it, but his boy wanted to see Girl on the Train.. LOL
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89. "White girl in the office asked if it was good"
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Knowing damn well she doesn't want any parts of that movie.

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115. "Right.. LOL"
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71. "Wait, why are people in here saying Nat Turner's wife was NOT raped?"
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What is the basis for such statements?

What little I've read about her mentions that she gave birth to children to Samuel Turner, Nat's owner. Sounds like rape to me.


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76. "That's not what happened in the movie though "
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90. "I didn't see the movie but what is your exact point?"
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We know she was raped because she had children by her slavemaster (assuming that account is correct).

Your mad because the rape that was depicted in the movie wasn't independently verified as happening? But there is no account of any of her rapes?

So you mad they took creative liberties depicting a rape that we know occurred to her?



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91. "I think it's because of Nate's accusations irl..."
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Cause I can't see how a rape in a slave movie would bother someone because it wasn't an accurate representation.

I have a feeling if Nate had a clean past no one would think twice about the accuracy of the rape in the movie.

Regardless, it feels like a shitty reason for knocking the film down a few pegs.

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92. "It's a shame how easy it STILL is to control negroes."
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Lies and resurfacing of an acquittal in his
past really got people not even seeing what's
right there on the screen in the movie.

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94. "Double agents who claimed there was no violence against whites"
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African American professor at Ohio State who said not showing the rapes ruined the movie... smh

Someone on my FB who reviews for TV Guide said women were an afterthought in this movie... smh

Shit is sickening. Black folk are way to eager to tear down our own shit.

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96. "amazing, ain't it?"
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99. "so...do these double agents just not watch Atlanta"
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or are they saving it for the next round.

how exactly does the secret mystery plot work?



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100. "dunno if its a secret mystery plot or no...but people have written"
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factually, objectively incorrrect/dishonest reviews.
who knows why, but yeah

  

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101. "who knows"
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105. "The film went from the Toast of Sundance with all Rave reviews...."
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to, meh, I couldn't enjoy it because the real Nat Turner was shorter.



>factually, objectively incorrrect/dishonest reviews.
>who knows why, but yeah


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110. "film festival hype is such an established trend"
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that people write about it pretty much every year

Did you see Me, Earl and the Dying Girl?


"Whenever reports emanate from the Sundance Film Festival about a record-setting acquisition deal, it's worth remembering some of the other movies that have sold for huge amounts of money in Park City: Hamlet 2. The Spitfire Grill. Happy, Texas. Whether this year's Sundance darling, Me and Earl and the Dying Girl, will join that roll call of shame is impossible to say, but the fact that it won the Grand Jury Prize, the Audience Award and an offer from Fox Searchlight variously reported as amounting to anywhere from $7 million to $12 million ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot."

It happens every. year.

http://lasvegasweekly.com/ae/film/2015/feb/06/sundance-film-festival-search-quality-beyond-hype/

http://variety.com/2014/film/columns/cannes-film-festival-looking-past-the-hype-and-hate-analysis-1201159035/

http://extratv.com/2012/01/20/robert-redford-wants-sundance-to-be-about-the-films-not-the-hype/

https://filmschoolrejects.com/dont-believe-in-hype-and-don-t-conceive-it-either-61ff4f78b7ad#.244tjozfh

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124. "Fair enough but how many of those films were the subject of organized "
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boycotts?



>that people write about it pretty much every year
>
>Did you see Me, Earl and the Dying Girl?
>
>
>"Whenever reports emanate from the Sundance Film Festival
>about a record-setting acquisition deal, it's worth
>remembering some of the other movies that have sold for huge
>amounts of money in Park City: Hamlet 2. The Spitfire Grill.
>Happy, Texas. Whether this year's Sundance darling, Me and
>Earl and the Dying Girl, will join that roll call of shame is
>impossible to say, but the fact that it won the Grand Jury
>Prize, the Audience Award and an offer from Fox Searchlight
>variously reported as amounting to anywhere from $7 million to
>$12 million ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot."
>
>It happens every. year.
>
>http://lasvegasweekly.com/ae/film/2015/feb/06/sundance-film-festival-search-quality-beyond-hype/
>
>http://variety.com/2014/film/columns/cannes-film-festival-looking-past-the-hype-and-hate-analysis-1201159035/
>
>http://extratv.com/2012/01/20/robert-redford-wants-sundance-to-be-about-the-films-not-the-hype/
>
>https://filmschoolrejects.com/dont-believe-in-hype-and-don-t-conceive-it-either-61ff4f78b7ad#.244tjozfh
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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125. "Exactly... most of these reviews are on some bullshit"
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Most of these negative reviews are discrediting the whole film and 99% of them mention Nates past. We know why that is...

I hope they were paid well.



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126. "Most movie critics aren't paid at all, lol."
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And the ones that are are paid tremendously poorly.

The only accusations that can fairly be lobbed at movie critics are (a) groupthink, which is definitely real with some of them, and (b) staunch refusal to separate artist from art, which I have *no* problem with as long as it's done consistently-- which is rarely ever the case, unfortunately.

I know a couple of critics who panned the film at Sundance pre-controversy chatter, so I'll remove them from these accusations, obviously. But I've def read a number of recent reviews that made me roll my eyes.

All that having been said... they definitely weren't paid well. So take solace in that, lol.

> I hope they were paid well.

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130. "I think you got it right. I just know there is no way that liberal maga..."
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like the New Yorker would pan a movie like this without the controversy.



>And the ones that are are paid tremendously poorly.
>
>The only accusations that can fairly be lobbed at movie
>critics are (a) groupthink, which is definitely real with some
>of them, and (b) staunch refusal to separate artist from art,
>which I have *no* problem with as long as it's done
>consistently-- which is rarely ever the case, unfortunately.
>
>I know a couple of critics who panned the film at Sundance
>pre-controversy chatter, so I'll remove them from these
>accusations, obviously. But I've def read a number of recent
>reviews that made me roll my eyes.
>
>All that having been said... they definitely weren't paid
>well. So take solace in that, lol.
>
>> I hope they were paid well.


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134. "They'd be far less likely to pan, I agree."
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http://www.indiewire.com/2016/01/first-reviews-the-birth-of-a-nation-electrifies-sundance-124901/

Above, you can see the reactions out of Sundance-- and even many of the positive notices still contain reservations. Most of the reviews call the movie "messy" or "sloppy" in some way or another, but that their feelings remain overwhelmingly positive. Guys like David Ehrlich at Indiewire, Dan Schindel at Movie Mezzanine, Eric Snider, and a couple others I know definitely gave it the "it's okay" to "it's bad" treatments at the time... but they were the minority.

I think without the controversy the Tomatometer still likely would've gone down (always happens to Sundance flicks), just not the same way it did-- and the pans that focused on the artist rather than the art wouldn't have been nearly as searing as they were, in all likelihood.

I'm seeing it today. Interested to see what happens. I'm a big "separate the art from the artist" guy, so I don't really give a shit about the controversy as it pertains to this film. A couple of friends from Sundance really didn't like it-- others loved it. I hope I love it, just because I hate a dogpile, and Christ, the last thing I want to do on a Tuesday is spend two hours watching something I don't dig, lol.

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140. "thanks for joining this discussion of BOAN!"
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139. "your question proves my point."
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also, there's very little "organized" regarding boycotting this film, so it's not even relevant.

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176. "Not sure how my question proves your point but I will give you"
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organized is the wrong word. More like "mob" or "groupthink".



>also, there's very little "organized" regarding boycotting
>this film, so it's not even relevant.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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204. "my point is that it doesn't take opposition or scandal"
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for a festival darling to fall flat at the box office and even awards time.

as you have pointed out, those flicks didn't.

it happens all the time, which is exactly what my first reply says.

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106. "If you aren't in here to talk about BOAN please stfu... thanks"
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81. "Some people want the film to be 100% accurate "
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Let us know your thoughts after you see it

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87. "People are wanting to live in the Blind"
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103. "Every 'important' biopic faces criticism for inaccuracies."
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That isn't unique to this movie or because this movie is black.

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127. "Correct."
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It's basically every biopic. And it's always exhausting every time.

But it's a good way to generate clicks, I suppose-- "Here's How The Movie Was Inaccurate!" followed by various thinkpieces on why accuracy is or isn't important.

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251. "i actually think it's fair this time around"
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bc of the marketing...

it was marketed as "important"...and it is to a certain extent but when you remix enough of the story...it may as well been pure fiction...

that's why some of the inaccuracies i've heard about seem so troublesome...you expect some but it sounds they changed a lot about the man

buddy is getting all his arguments shot to shit in here too...god damn

treating the "confessions" as white man history is insane since they refuse to teach that shit in schools...

rape as a vehicle in the story seems extra though the nate parker shit only helps to bring out the shittiness of that angle...

the added snitch is just lazy

by all accounts it sounds like a Gladiator/Braveheart movie which would have been fine had the marketing been different...







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254. "RE: i actually think it's fair this time around"
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it even had a braveheart reference

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119. "Are people afraid that this film will be taken as a factual account?"
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Is that the problem?

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120. "they are definitely afraid of something"
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I think it's Nate's past but it may be deeper than that.



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252. "partially...but that's in relation to it's marketed "importance""
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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123. "7.1 Mil!!! "
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131. "People are quick to call it a flop but what were the realistic box offic..."
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projections for a period drama about slavery?


How many theaters was in? What was the per theater gross?

How did it perform compared to 12 years a slave?

Those would be the questions I would ask before declaring it a flop.





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132. "12 Yrs A Slave: Wide Opening Weekend: $6,675,731"
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>How did it perform compared to 12 years a slave?

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135. "It's going to do 30 to 40 mill domestically "
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That's my prediction...

Prolly do another 15 to 20 overseas... this isn't a flop. Only thing flopping are coon ass niggas who loved it until the controversy.

Only way it wins an Oscar tho is if they nominate the white actors



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133. "It met expectations and if there wasn't a storm"
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it would prolly have hit 9 or 10 mill.

It's performing extremely well in the South.

It's far from a flop.

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147. "With the lead up it will need word of mouth "
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But I dont give a shit cause the DVD will get copped and the kids will watch when appropriate.

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stop at the light mayne,
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142. "now that we've established that only government agents hate Nate Parker"
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lets take a look and see who watch the *last* movie nate parker was in


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=688561&mode=full


huh.


isn't it funny how many of Nate's biggest fans were silent af about the last movie he was in? (which was fucking excellent, and he was really good in, btw)


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143. "Not sure what your angle is with this..."
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There was a GD post about this movie because most people didn't know about it.

and plenty of people have pointed out how Nate's sexual assault accusation wasn't an issue or even talked about prior to Birth of a Nation.

It was a good movie tho, definitely wouldn't have watched it if not for the GD post. The title, packaging, premise would make most believe it was an after school special tho.

Again, what is you point? People who love BOAN have to like a movie about a pop star?

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144. "it's just weird how certain people suddenly got a bug up their ass"
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about supporting black art.


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148. "Not as weird as all the people who scream about supporting black art"
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but wont support this movie

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156. "Black rapey art is all yours dude"
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You clearly enjoy it
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171. "Color Purple could've been such a huge movie if it weren't for... "
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oh wait

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179. "you saying steven spielberg raped?"
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write with someone in college he raped with?

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yeah alice walker don't count as a writer
dudes have no idea
i fucking swear
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187. "I'm saying Color Purple is so-called "black rapey art""
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258. "this is why you are who you are"
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and i am who i am

and why you aint got no wins me mi casa

you go around telling folks that the color purple is a rapey ass film
gone
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275. "I am who I am because I tell the truth."
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You are who you are because you deny it.
You ain't got no casa. Foh lol.

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278. "You lie to yourself daily"
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You mad because i pop that bubble

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173. "Your poutrage makes it even more enjoyable"
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Loving is coming to theatres... I'm sure you bought a ticket already.

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180. "lol, i'm not shocked at yall at all"
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boogie down there trying his damnedest to make itself exceptional


hes not
you're not
no outrage
y'all just need to face up to the patriarchal narcissistic rape loving dudes you are
black trumps walking around
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193. "labels, gotta read the labels... - GZA"
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206. "I'm so glad no one is going to get confused and think that maybe"
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your motivations here are pushed by misogyny more than anything else.

when you say "poutrage" I really am struck by your deep respect for women, and I look forward to other similar examples of how great a guy you are.



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163. "you would think that's weird. to consistently show up and show out."
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since you don't do it at all.

that shit would be weird to you.

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150. "Yeah I think you are missing the point. "
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1000 post in over multiple threads there are several strains of thought that have nothing to do with being a Nate Parker fan. Some people:

1. Think it's uncool to tear down a movie about an important subject matter because you don't like Nate Parker.

2. Think it's uncool to tear down Nate Parker and his work for an allegation that he was ultimately cleared of.

But I don't think anyone is in this because they are Nate Parker stans.

In fact, the fact that no one was out there talking up Beyond the Lights is a good indicator that this isn't about Nate Parker, it's about the movie.

In fact, you could go further and argue that the fact that no one was tearing down beyond the lights even though the allegations against Nate Parker were already out there suggests that maybe the
hate BOAN is receiving isn't about NP's rape allegations, but rather there is an effort to undermine a film about a devisise black person and people are using the NP rape allegations as an excuse. One can argue that.






>lets take a look and see who watch the *last* movie nate
>parker was in
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=688561&mode=full
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>huh.
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>isn't it funny how many of Nate's biggest fans were silent af
>about the last movie he was in? (which was fucking excellent,
>and he was really good in, btw)
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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153. "^^^^^^"
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155. "Beyond the Lights didn't have even a scrap of awards buzz, to be fair."
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(Even though it really really really fucking should have.)

People seem to get way more feisty about the character of the artist when an award comes into play. And Sundance critics, for better or worse, deemed this an award front-runner. (That's also, as I said above, when people start giving a shit about the accuracy of events, for reasons unknown.)

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175. "Beyond the Lights didn't have even a scrap of buzz"
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Fixed it for you...

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161. "you've replied to something that's not my post."
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y'all didn't love nate parker two years ago, but now he's the most important person in hollywood.

we know what it's really about.

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170. "He specifically addressed everything you said."
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Not only that, he destroyed that sorry excuse
for a point you had.

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196. "which isn't true, but you said it."
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177. "I could re-write what I just wrote or you could just re-read what I just..."
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But damn if I wasn't completely clear in my point that no one "loves" Nate Parker. It's not about Nate Parker, it's about....Damn it, I am not going to repeat what I JUST finished typing.



>y'all didn't love nate parker two years ago, but now he's the
>most important person in hollywood.
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>we know what it's really about.





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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at





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181. "yep its about "bad games journalism""
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trust we've been here
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197. "or, you could admit what you're actually talking about"
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you don't want to do that.

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169. "Man this is some gospel"
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Especially this...



>But I don't think anyone is in this because they are Nate
>Parker stans.
>
>In fact, the fact that no one was out there talking up Beyond
>the Lights is a good indicator that this isn't about Nate
>Parker, it's about the movie.
>
>In fact, you could go further and argue that the fact that no
>one was tearing down beyond the lights even though the
>allegations against Nate Parker were already out there
>suggests that maybe the
>hate BOAN is receiving isn't about NP's rape allegations, but
>rather there is an effort to undermine a film about a devisise
>black person and people are using the NP rape allegations as
>an excuse. One can argue that.
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>>lets take a look and see who watch the *last* movie nate
>>parker was in
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>>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=688561&mode=full
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>>huh.
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>>isn't it funny how many of Nate's biggest fans were silent
>af
>>about the last movie he was in? (which was fucking
>excellent,
>>and he was really good in, btw)
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>>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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174. "Buddy shut all that shit down with that post. "
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219. "Like..."
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Wed Oct-12-16 12:32 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

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Rjcc
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205. "I know it's the gospel of what you want to believe"
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the only problem is that as usual, we can all see the evidence that you're lying.

sorry!

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lfresh
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183. "nah he has the point"
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Nate decided to address his errors his own without apologizing empathizing or understanding what he was dealing with.

They were able to shut his misogynistic ass quick enough for beyond the lights regarding his homophobia but since this is his vehicle his narcissistic ass thought he didn't need anyones advice
he has several chances and messed them up repeatedly

except for y'all for which rape allegations (omg a court exonerated him...court exonerated zimmerman as well this new found faith in the court system questionable) along with writing this with said rapist, along with writing a rape scene and casting a woman who was actually raped are easily forgiven for the bigger picture which actually is:

y'all don't care about history in film - because this film isn't historically accurate
y'all don't care about supporting black anything - because y'all barely drag y'all asses out for anything
y'all only care about yourselves - because y'all showed up for this film specifically...why?

because if there are rape allegations y'all want to also be able to use the shield of black power and black support as well

thats your bigger picture
thats y'all black patriarchal ass mofos
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184. "Oh I will be absolutely clear, I think he got a raw deal re: the rape"
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Wed Oct-12-16 09:33 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

allegations.

I think it's total bullshit that a black man who has maintained his innocence from day 1, whose innocence was corroborated by the other witnesses at the event (unfortunate for Nate they were black men so their word isn't good enough), who was investigated, charged and tried by an almost all white jury and still found not guilty (and yes a black man found not guilty of raping a white woman by a white jury has a lot more weight than a white person found innocent of a crime against a black man), should be forced to apologize because the word of a white woman, who suffered from mental illness including delusions and falsely accused other people of crimes, is somehow more important than anything else.

So yeah if that puts me in a box to you, so be it.


>Nate decided to address his errors his own without
>apologizing empathizing or understanding what he was dealing
>with.
>
>They were able to shut his misogynistic ass quick enough for
>beyond the lights regarding his homophobia but since this is
>his vehicle his narcissistic ass thought he didn't need
>anyones advice
>he has several chances and messed them up repeatedly
>
>except for y'all for which rape allegations (omg a court
>exonerated him...court exonerated zimmerman as well this new
>found faith in the court system questionable) along with
>writing this with said rapist, along with writing a rape scene
>and casting a woman who was actually raped are easily forgiven
>for the bigger picture which actually is:
>
>y'all don't care about history in film - because this film
>isn't historically accurate
>y'all don't care about supporting black anything - because
>y'all barely drag y'all asses out for anything
>y'all only care about yourselves - because y'all showed up for
>this film specifically...why?
>
>because if there are rape allegations y'all want to also be
>able to use the shield of black power and black support as
>well
>
>thats your bigger picture
>thats y'all black patriarchal ass mofos
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


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185. "we ARE clear on what you consider this to be"
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we KNOW that you suddenly value the same legal system that exonerated zimmerman

we KNOW that y'all want to TRY to ride the black power movement BACK to its rapey Eldridge Cleaver lets ignore rape for the sake of a movement that will only empower black men days

TRUST
we know.
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186. "Real Talk: Do you know any black men?"
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Because you describe us like your only interaction with them is rap and TV caricatures.

I've known Eldridge Cleaver aint' shit since I read Elaine Brown's bio in high school.

My MOM is my favorite civil rights leader.

I don't know who fed you this "Black Men are so Terrible" propaganda but it ain't healthy.

Spend some time with the brothers, we won't hurt you.



>we KNOW that you suddenly value the same legal system that
>exonerated zimmerman
>
>we KNOW that y'all want to TRY to ride the black power
>movement BACK to its rapey Eldridge Cleaver lets ignore rape
>for the sake of a movement that will only empower black men
>days
>
>TRUST
>we know.
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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188. "i know better black men than you"
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you took that as all black men

i'm saying its y'all
YOU

a specific and stubborn set of patriarchal black man

you here
you out there
but gladly you are not all black men

there are exceptions
unfortunately y'all are still blandly the norm

you support only yourselves
and as you indicated
your momma
maybe your wife and your daughters
as thats the only way you will acknowledge that women and esp black women are human beings

you are still stubbornly homophobic and misogynistic in your ways to every damn one else

feminist has become popular so you try to be slick about who and what you support but issues like this show
clearly
and thankfully to other black men

who you morons are amongst them
and unfortunately for y'all a majority of you morons remain on these boards
and are clueless as to why there are few other women remaining
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194. "Jeez you are so ridiculous in your hate. Keep shadowboxing that "
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Wed Oct-12-16 11:33 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

Black Boogey man.

You unwittingly make an excellent ally to the racist and don't even know it.

That you can go sooo long in describing me, a person you don't know anything about, says more about me than you. The person you are arguing with (or in your mind you think you are arguing with), isn't a real person. It's a manifestation of everything you hate about Black Men.

I can't. I am done.

I hope you get help.


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201. "You've been remarkably helpful in showing that you're a shitty person"
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you're right, we don't know you, and we don't want to.

we have had years to figure this out.

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214. "Nigga, you just start getting some like a couple of years ago and Now"
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all of sudden you turned from misogynist troll to the male truth speaker on women issues. Get the fcuk out of here you cornball.

You worst than that drunken uncle who found religion and now the deacon.

I've been posting here 15+ and you won't find a single incident of me addressing a woman outside her name (I'm, like, 80% positive of that), but we've seen your track record.

And it's fair to say I am pretty sure we know way more about who you are than you know about me.

I know who I am and my life long relationship with women and I am not trying to hear a character assessment from this nigga

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/730280050952708096/TXa5ViZN_400x400.jpg



>you're right, we don't know you, and we don't want to.
>
>we have had years to figure this out.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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220. "yes, I know you're jealous of me personally and professionally"
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I get it.

that's why you have to lie about me, who I've been, and who I am.

because facing the truth about who you are is too tough.


and *that's* why you need to support this movie. It's not about nate, it's about you needing an ego boost. Go get a hug dude.

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228. "RE: yes, I know you're jealous of me personally and professionally"
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This is either sarcastic snark, a trap (trying to bait me into bragging) or you really don't know anything about me.



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232. "I'm sure that's what you think it is."
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245. "Name the personal or professional metric you think you have something"
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on me.




>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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246. "I'm sure you're very accomplished in reality"
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but your own perception has skewed things and it's super sad.

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250. "Who has the unskewd perception? Everyone's perception is "skewed""
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or "shaped", if you want to be less pejorative, by their experiences.

So folks should get off their moral high horses.




>but your own perception has skewed things and it's super
>sad.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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266. "nothing moral about your jealousy"
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270. "Again, Jealous of you? How? What could I be jealous of you about?"
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Lfresh's adoration?


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271. "you know and I know bruh"
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248. "He is still trying to atone for past sins and misogyny "
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Dude must have been the worst cause he is working overtime.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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267. "hey man, if you're not hear to talk about BOAN"
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202. "Bruh, she always been off"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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203. "you tell on yourself"
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what is there to "know"

aint no hate
just truth

no boogey men
just y'all ordinary unexceptional black men

luckily there are better
you just not that

be regular
revel in it
stop expecting a treat though and stop thinking its hate when you don't get a pat on the head
for some dumb shit you type
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157. "It's about history!"
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*peeps who supported Belle*


Oh...


nah folk love them some rape man
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162. "it's funny how they only show up for a very specific set of characterist..."
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if there's not a hero who looks just like them, they don't have time for it.

NOW it's important.

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164. "Yep"
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And the historical accuracy of rape naturally
Definitely there for that

Male slaves were raped as well
Think they'd be that narcissistic to show up for a movie depicting that as well
How deep does the patriarchy go?
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172. "So you don't want people to show up for Nat Turner? "
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Interesting.

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182. "you only show up for a rapey ass nat turner flick"
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i'd say its interesting
but actually its typical
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198. "I like that you're willing to lie about what I said."
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That's cool.

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166. "RE: It's about history!"
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>*peeps who supported Belle*


Wasn't interested in that anymore than I was
interested in 12 Yrs A Slave.
So I guess that kills the "they only like male
heroes lie.
I'd love to see a Harriet Tubman story tho...
or a Maria Stewart story... especially an
Assata story. I own Shirley Chisolm's documentary.
So I guess that kills the "they love rape" lie.
What else do yall have that I need to crush?

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167. "Gotta show and prove"
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Wed Oct-12-16 06:41 AM by lfresh

  

          

And this ain't it sweetie
You can type the talk all you want
Fact is
Y'all questionable as hell

Dude said I own the Shirley Chisholm doc so there!
Bwahaha
No
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168. "Showing and proving daily"
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Wed Oct-12-16 06:50 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

I can keep going with all the works
I own by and about Black women if
you like, but that might get time
consuming.
Where you been?
If you pay attention, I consistently
got Black women's backs. I don't just
have this quote in my avy for fun.
I don't just support Black women because
I wanna blow money. Just pay attention.

She said actually addressing the bs she
said was nothing.
Bwahahaha
No


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178. "nope"
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>I can keep going with all the works
>I own by and about Black women if
>you like, but that might get time
>consuming.
>Where you been?
>If you pay attention, I consistently
>got Black women's backs. I don't just
>have this quote in my avy for fun.
>I don't just support Black women because
>I wanna blow money. Just pay attention.


and nope
where I'm at you aint
period
and if i don't see you
you can't claim to exist

i see rjcc regularly
re.gu.lar.ly

you aint got shit
your word means nada
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190. "No, I don't kowtow"
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That pisses some of yall off.
Sensible women appreciate it.
lol @ rjcc.
Dude will lie, troll and straight up
ignore facts to stick to his narrative.
I ain't gotta do all that extra, nor am
I capable of being that nonsensical.
My concern and understanding is just
part of who I actually am.
More than enough proof on these very boards.
You ignoring it because we don't agree on
everything. You've done this before tho.


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195. "not being a misogynist"
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Wed Oct-12-16 11:32 AM by lfresh

  

          

is not kowtowing

y'all have that extreme white privledge thing going on
don't be racist!
i don't have to kowtow to black folks feelings!
if other white folks say I'm not a racist and my special black friend
i'm not!

very much like the view of Nate btw
w regards to his bullshit

i have sense enough to know bullshit when i see it
and hurt feelings when it comes to rjcc when i see that too

and when a known feminist on these boards says
and before it became popular to be a feminist mind you
they don't recognize you?
and you have the proof from...the non feminists on these boards because thats whats most left and thats enough?

says all it needs to say about who you actually are
and what you actually value

y'all tell on yourselves
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208. "Not agreeing with you"
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Wed Oct-12-16 12:17 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

If I call someone racist, I can actually
break it down to them why. You just yell
misogyny with no proof outside of differing
views.
Lol @ validation from anyone on OKP.
That you think that's even important says
a lot about you.
The fact that you champion someone who
launches unprovoked attacks regularly says
even more.
The fact that you only recognize emotionally
aggressive behavior from men who support you
destroys your ENTIRE stance, but you're talking
about someone telling on themselves? Hilarious.
You are a joke.

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211. "which isn't true at all, but you said it."
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216. "he's about to really get in his feelings now"
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wait for it
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217. "theres disagreement, then theres misogyny"
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white folks call racism a disagreement as well

understand the terms you use and how you employ them

listen y'all mad at rj now because he no longer agrees with
wait for it


YALL MISOGYNISM

phew
hurts i know


AND

he doesn't care about your hurt feelings

man thats another kick i know


but really you are the one talking about you did...something
bought a whole shirley chisholm doc even!

because apparently thats you only way to support?
dunno
you weird
and dated

but mainly not agreeing with misogyny isn't a thing
much like not agreeing with racism isn't a thing

you don't like to acknowledge or put someones humanity in its proper perspective
and feel that it hurts you somehow

thats a problem
its called misogyny
thats not a "disagreement"
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223. "they're Billy Bushes"
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and they're absolutely sick that as I grew to realize what the world is like I decided I don't to be in their locker room.



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226. "pretty much"
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229. "You still haven't done anything but make an accusation"
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Like I said, if I accuse someone, I can
and do explain to them why I'm saying it.
The fact that you can't just speaks to the
emptiness of your claims.
I've actually said to rjcc that his stance
isn't necessarily the problem but the fact
that he attacks without understanding nuance,
so there goes that faulty argument of yours.
The doc was one of a couple of random examples
(mainly because we're talking about interest
in movies about Black women, making it a
perfectly reasonable response. I'm realizing
you don't respond to reason though.)
Like I said, there are many more.

But the real kicker here? Our disagreement is
about interest in the movie Belle, but you're
yelling misogyny and claiming that people
"enjoy rape" if they thought Birth of a Nation
was a good movie. This is just your automatic
response for everything, because your responses
contain no actual thought or intelligence.

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231. "well, if you've decided there's not enough evidence against you"
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then I guess the case is closed.

because that's how that works.

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255. "yes, your strategy seems to be working as well"
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this place is wild yo

i dont agree with some of his anti-critique on the film but even i can see that's not bc he enjoys supporting rapists or shitting on rape accusers/vitcims

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269. "I have no idea who or what you're responding to."
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because the point you're refuting isn't one I've made.

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233. "Beyond this movie, this place is not worth it"
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Post after post I've watched how violence against women, rape, and DV titillares men here just as much as it should abhor them. Any post where there is a discussion about a woman experiencing violence they swarm, gleeful at what a black man can get away with or justify aggression and violence toward women. It's an okp past time at this point. The truth is the rape allegations against Nate multipled many men's interest and investment in this movie beyond what it would have been sans allegations, because getting off rape or DV allegations, whether a crime was committed or not, is a tantalizing win for the "team." A team that consist of only black men, not you or I. A triumph over the "system" at the expense of a women is considered an even greater win than any other, if she's black 2X. I'm talking about something more nefarious than collateral damage and it's pervasive beyond this post or Nate Parker or BOAN.

So many Black men become white men when it comes to gender, specifically in dealing domestic violence and rape.
They uses the same tactics, justifications and talking points as racist they claim to hate. They'll circle the wagons to protect "their own" with the clear understanding that women, let alone black women, are not "their own."

This is the same place where time after time I've seen people post about fucking white women is the way to get back at slave masters and receive no rebuttal ever, not from the niggas who claim to have read all the books on the "stay woke and ready" reading list.
Something is sick here beyond this movie and the opinions on it.

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235. "Nevermind that ppl wanted a Nat Turner film for ages."
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There's no win for any fictional "team"
that he got off. The fact is yall thought
he was guilty no matter the particulars of
the case. An emotional response to that
is completely understandable considering
that many women actually ARE assaulted,
but that don't mean every man accused is guilty.

As for that fucking white women crap, EYE have
never been on that bullshit on here, and I know
legs ain't on it, so yall gotta be more specific
instead of stereotyping Black men... but then
turn around and say THEY are acting like racists?
What manner of cognitive dissonance is that?

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237. "see, you have to lie"
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"The fact is yall thought
he was guilty no matter the particulars of
the case"

because without the lie what would you have?

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240. "That's actually yall lying to deny that."
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Wed Oct-12-16 01:28 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

You've even said on here that it's wrong
to question the validity of a rape accusation
(despite the burning of Black Wall Street or
Brian Banks or Emmett Till).
So for you to say I'm lying here is another
lie in itself.

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243. "is that a direct quote of something I said?"
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276. "If I have time to find it in the crates, I'll let you know."
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Tho I'm pretty sure you remember saying it

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256. "So you, well read black women supporter have decided "
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Anyone who read the evidence and came to a different conclusion than you has done so because theyre purely emotional? No logic, reason or perspective... Just emotional women, hysterical.
Honey, that's the definition of misogyny in its classical sense.
I can't post anymore...
You sound like white people when they talk about the "race card."

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274. "This is a pretty weird response..."
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Thu Oct-13-16 04:12 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

mainly because I was talking to rjcc, but...
I've said lfresh's comments in here aren't
sensible or intelligent, but when did I say
whoever came to a different conclusion than
myself were "emotional women, hysterical."
I definitely wouldn't specify women with
rjcc being the most hysterical person on okp.
Now that IS pretty emotional to take some
elizabethian idea and pin it on someone simply
because you happen to be a woman in a disagreement.
This is just like lfresh running around saying
people "love rape" because we enjoyed the film.
Exactly what I'm talking about, honey. lol

If YOU gave it a chance, then cool. You're an
exception, just like I'm an exception to your
rule about men on here talking about fucking white
women and not standing up for yall when that comes
up.

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264. "does it make you feel better?"
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247. "I assumed he was innocent until I read the trial transcript, phone trans..."
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and Nate's friends testimony, who was a black man...
Not just the article or an article about an article.
So no, there was no emotional decision on his guilt or innocence in my part. You've assumed wrong.
Did some people want to see the movie before all of this? Yes, myself included. Are others more invested based on supporting Nate to assuage some universal injustice of black men and white women rape, whether he did it or not? Yes! Beating a rape allegation sweetens the pot for some of those caping for Nate and the movie. There is just no denying it.

None of that changes the facts of what I said about the flock of posters who always revel in any post about violence against women, DV or rape with a level of glee and pleasure that is not about guilt or innocence. True or false?

I never said you where on "white sex" as pay back, I specifically said I've seen that posted time after time here without REBUTTAL from nearly anyone. You're welcome to read all the bell hooks you want to, these ideas about race, women,sex and violence go mostly unchallenged here beyond this movie.
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259. "those transcripts both damn him and exonerate him though"
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depending on which witnesses you consider most and which conversations you feel are most accurate

i've read about 2/3rds of the transcripts available and even i can say that I have no idea how much he is guilty of...

i personally don't think he's a rapist but he's definitely guilty of some form of sexual misconduct...which is bad enough and contributes to more bullshit but i think some of the reaction is climate based and i get it but this is the hashtag activism climate at work making the divide more divisive

can't even express doubt or critical thinking without being a rapist lover

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261. "this isn't doubt or critical thinking in here"
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>can't even express doubt or critical thinking without being a
>rapist lover

this post had more than enough space and time to breathe and reflect on that
its nowhere close to what was going on in here and what led up to the creation of this post

this message board doesn't even deserve the credit for that doubt or critical thinking to boot

none of the work has been done in this post or on these boards with the folks in here to even give any sort of benefit of the doubt or ha more amusingly critical thinking


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277. "If we're so beneath you why are you here?"
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You just like drama huh?
That shows.

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287. "yall dont like truth"
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thats your drama
lol
not mine
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288. "Again, if we're so beneath you then why are you here?"
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If you're convinced that anyone who enjoys
or is excited about this movie loves rape,
then why are you even in the post?

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296. "Posterity"
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Fri Oct-21-16 08:01 AM by lfresh

  

          

>If you're convinced that anyone who enjoys
>or is excited about this movie loves rape,
>then why are you even in the post?
>

It's clear y'all like to lie to yourselves and clutch pearls when people speak plainly and truthfully
Lack of critical thinking needs to be challenged and shown
Let you fools be the example again

You've already been caught out there in some fake I support black women crap
yall so used to using, abusing and climbing and standing on top of women to achieve some bullshit ass #blackpowerisforblackmen goal that you still dont see what this really is

Sheeeiit y'all still don't understand these receipts
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298. "Lmfao.. talk about people lying to themselves."
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Only person lying to themselves are you
and your people. Yall lack critical
thinking... but this tit for tat accusation
stuff is getting old.
I ain't where u are, because you clearly
follow the drama consistently. Since you've
never seen me standing up for and supporting
Black women, it's pretty safe to assume you
just don't wanna see it. That ain't my fault.
I recognize that YOU are full of shit... not
all Black women LOL. Don't get it confused.


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299. "you support status quo"
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Fri Oct-21-16 08:09 AM by lfresh

  

          

you love that shit so damn much
rape aint a thing for you to understand or even believe
and think its a great reason to advance a plot
so you can feel like a hero
that why you are on these boards and in this post
so enthusiastically
and actually WANT this rape to be part of history
and dont CARE that it actually not history
and love such a limited imagination to not even conceive that more than women were raped and not question that in the least
you want it both ways
enough rape to advance your sense of self
rape for women because only that is in history

but not too much rape because your male black heroes cant be the ones who rape and have been raped

thats what these receipts mean
and you dont like it one bit

that truth
thats logic
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300. "Wrong again"
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Fri Oct-21-16 08:30 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

I actually don't think it's a bad idea
at all to include rape of male slaves,
as that's also historically accurate.
The rape isn't what makes this story.
Not one time have I mentioned that as
something I love about the movie.
My favorite parts (and reason I want
so many of my people to see it) have
to do with the way it deals with religion.
I personally think the rape was a shot at
the original Birth of a Nation aka
The Clansman movie that depicted Black
men as rapists from whom the KKK had to
protect white women. Now I can see the
argument for you saying it's using Black
women to get back at white men. I ain't
really mad at that. It's a somewhat fair
critique in a sense... although there is
some record of his wife actually being
violated but not in the way it happens
in the film.
But as far as Black men being depicted as
rapists, there's the original if that's what
you're into... there's also Color Purple,
which is a classic among us Black folk
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301. "RE: Wrong again"
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Fri Oct-21-16 10:50 AM by lfresh

  

          

>I actually don't think it's a bad idea
>at all to include rape of male slaves,
>as that's also historically accurate.
>The rape isn't what makes this story.
>Not one time have I mentioned that as
>something I love about the movie.

you don't have to mention it
you just rather conveniently ignore it and the circumstances around the movie's inconvenient for your purposes

>My favorite parts (and reason I want
>so many of my people to see it) have
>to do with the way it deals with religion.
>I personally think the rape was a shot at
>the original Birth of a Nation aka
>The Clansman movie that depicted Black
>men as rapists from whom the KKK had to
>protect white women. Now I can see the
>argument for you saying it's using Black
>women to get back at white men. I ain't
>really mad at that. It's a somewhat fair
>critique in a sense... although there is
>some record of his wife actually being
>violated but not in the way it happens
>in the film.

wat
thats not what i'm saying
wtf
god damn y'all are narcissistic as hell
WTF
dont attribute any of that shit to me

>But as far as Black men being depicted as
>rapists, there's the original if that's what
>you're into... there's also Color Purple,
>which is a classic among us Black folk
>yaknow.

hanh?
no

reading comprehension and critical thinking took another nose dive
this is why its not worth getting into anything with y'all
and just point that crap yall type for posterity
god y'all are idiots
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302. "And you say it's us ignoring things for convenience lol"
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>>My favorite parts (and reason I want
>>so many of my people to see it) have
>>to do with the way it deals with religion.
>>I personally think the rape was a shot at
>>the original Birth of a Nation aka
>>The Clansman movie that depicted Black
>>men as rapists from whom the KKK had to
>>protect white women. Now I can see the
>>argument for you saying it's using Black
>>women to get back at white men. I ain't
>>really mad at that. It's a somewhat fair
>>critique in a sense... although there is
>>some record of his wife actually being
>>violated but not in the way it happens
>>in the film.
>
>wat
>thats not what i'm saying
>wtf
>god damn y'all are narcissistic as hell
>WTF
>dont attribute any of that shit to me




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304. "YEP"
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that patriarchy is still clearly a priority for y'all


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291. "lmao at this show your work shit"
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most of my "work" had been done privately or publicly elsewhere smh

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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253. "Uhh no. Where was the rape allegations for his other movies?"
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This has nothing to do with supporting this movie because of his allegations.

It's a fucking slave rebellion movie about Nat Turner for goodness sakes. The problem is we never heard a peep about rape allegations until this movie was the toast at Sundance.

It's extremely lazy to turn this into a Black men vs Black women debate because y'all let the white feminist movement get in your ear and turn y'all against Black men. FOH.

Thank goodness Black people aren't falling for this divide and conquer bullshit and are going out and supporting this movie.

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262. "he didn't direct any other movies"
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esp didn't write them with his rape buddy
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260. "RE: Beyond this movie, this place is not worth it"
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>
>Post after post I've watched how violence against women, rape,
>and DV titillares men here just as much as it should abhor
>them. Any post where there is a discussion about a woman
>experiencing violence they swarm, gleeful at what a black man
>can get away with or justify aggression and violence toward
>women. It's an okp past time at this point. The truth is the
>rape allegations against Nate multipled many men's interest
>and investment in this movie beyond what it would have been
>sans allegations, because getting off rape or DV allegations,
>whether a crime was committed or not, is a tantalizing win for
>the "team." A team that consist of only black men, not you or
>I. A triumph over the "system" at the expense of a women is
>considered an even greater win than any other, if she's black
>2X. I'm talking about something more nefarious than collateral
>damage and it's pervasive beyond this post or Nate Parker or
>BOAN.
>
>So many Black men become white men when it comes to gender,
>specifically in dealing domestic violence and rape.
>They uses the same tactics, justifications and talking points
>as racist they claim to hate. They'll circle the wagons to
>protect "their own" with the clear understanding that women,
>let alone black women, are not "their own."
>
>This is the same place where time after time I've seen people
>post about fucking white women is the way to get back at slave
>masters and receive no rebuttal ever, not from the niggas who
>claim to have read all the books on the "stay woke and ready"
>reading list.
>Something is sick here beyond this movie and the opinions on
>it.



you see it

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200. "haven't lied one time."
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210. "LOL"
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199. "you don't seem to understand how logic works."
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because none of those things prove anything that you said.

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209. "Reply 161 says you're projecting again."
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212. "please, do the thing where you lie and say I lied"
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even though the evidence of you lie is in this thread.

you're going to have to do it solo cuz I got kind of a busy day but I'm sure you'll make it work.

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213. "We already know that's your game. You're doing it to other folks"
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in here right now.
It's one of the staples in your trolling arsenal.
Enjoy your day tho.

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215. "I will enjoy my day!"
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218. "don't threaten me with a good time!"
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224. "nigga gon fuck around and have me tiptoeing through the tulips"
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225. "Lmao at the gruesome twosome"
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Working overtime trying to shame people for enjoying this movie.

It has an A rating, will continue to make money due to word of mouth and these fools can't do a thing about it besides scream patriarchy and misogyny.

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230. "show me the post where I said anyone"
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shouldn't enjoy this movie or even where I said they shouldn't watch it.

I'll wait.


you being a piece of shit is part of why you are so fervent in your support of this movie, but this movie didn't suddenly make you shittier or anything.

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234. "and there it is"
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>you being a piece of shit is part of why you are so fervent in
>your support of this movie, but this movie didn't suddenly
>make you shittier or anything.
>


folks can watch and reflect
even enjoy parts

but this enthusiasm?
the posting building up proclamations and declarations?
I WILL WATCH
lol

these dudes told on themselves
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238. "Because enthusiasm over something you enjoy is unheard of"
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Now I wish I'd been enthusiastic about
Solange's album... oh that's right
I was!
And still am... wow.
Maybe enthusiasm is just normal when you
like something. Amazing.



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239. "I like how you try to string together unrelated data points"
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you don't do it well, but you put real effort into it which is admirable.

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241. "I like how you just make shit up to keep your attack going."
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It really does show how psychotic you are.

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244. "you misspelled 'give you positive feedback on your efforts""
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151. "Saw it Friday. Due to the hurricane Only one theater was open in Orland..."
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My girl and I went to the late showing
There were maybe 6 white ppl in the theater.

3 walked out half way thru the movie

I thought I was gonna cheer but man
That movie was painful to watch.

Good movie but painful.

The they just killing black folks for no reason like stung

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154. "There was one white dude but he was trying to pass"
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191. "That's pretty funny..."
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>3 walked out half way thru the movie

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221. "Did they think it was 12 Years part 2?"
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159. "If you're not going to see this but shelling out loot for"
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that Madea halloween foolishness.....

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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165. "Because you think that's your only other option..."
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The myopia is amazing to behold folks
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272. "No, actually, there are other options"
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you could chose to see neither, or you could choose to see both...but you're right...

>The myopia is amazing to behold folks

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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189. "What's wrong with that?"
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207. "This website is not the audience for Madea. Like, at all, lol."
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236. "this is the worst place to make that argument"
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but as soon as I saw the ad on TV I was sure someone would try it.

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249. "This Gary Gnu ass nigga trying to get this post locked"
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You ain't slick

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263. "oh i want it archived"
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y'all can then be even prouder
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268. "you call yourself gary gnu and you want the post locked?"
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279. "Interview with the cast (LINK)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ciC2tFA28

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I always seek those opportunities where my
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280. "thanks, this is great. "
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I hope word of mouth carries this film for a while. Audiences are giving it high marks.



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281. "Powerful movie, I can understand why they don't want us to see it..."
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to me one of the most significant parts of the movie was when the slavemasters wife found out young Nat could read and invited him into the house to "teach" him when he reached for the other books she stopped him and told him those weren't for "his kind" and would only confuse him and put the Bible in his hands instead.

They are still using that book to control us to this day.

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282. "Yep, and on the flip..."
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...I can understand why they don't want THEMselves to see it along with other non-Euro ethnic groups.



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284. "You see it! There's a very real agenda behind the sabotaging"
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and it has nothing to do with any of
those accusations. This kind of imagery
would make negroes have epiphanies on
a grand scale.


>to me one of the most significant parts of the movie was when
>the slavemasters wife found out young Nat could read and
>invited him into the house to "teach" him when he reached for
>the other books she stopped him and told him those weren't for
>"his kind" and would only confuse him and put the Bible in his
>hands instead.
>
>They are still using that book to control us to this day.

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285. "yep, 200+ years later black folks still falling for the same trick"
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286. "Niggas are proudly admitting they aren't going to watch a slave revolt"
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These fools doing the white mans work...

Gotdamn shame.

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283. "Companion book, for classrooms:"
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https://www.amazon.com/Birth-Nation-Turner-Making-Movement/dp/1508230242?tag=lifsrhy-20


This is actually very very well done. Recommended.

  

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289. "Yo thanks for sharing this."
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Ordered it... gonna see wassup with it.
He said in the Breakfast Club interview
that he did alotta research for the movie,
so this should be interesting. He HAS
to be passionate about this to spend almost
a decade trying to get the movie made and
then go broke and risk everything to do it.

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293. "^^^^^ This is for those complaining about the accuracy"
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Wed Oct-19-16 12:29 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

How many films provide a more accurate
account than many other sources after
taking liberties with the film for cinematic
purposes? This one got you covered.

Aside from that, this book is very well-done.
It highlights other rebellions and the unbroken
chain of slave revolt/rebellion.
The illustrations and pictures are beautiful,
and the information is VERY solid.




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318. "yeah...."
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it does a great job of providing supplemental material for the film.
And a good chunk of the academics involved in the book were black women.
I like the book more than I like the film, and i *really* like the film

  

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294. "It's currently done 13 mil... budget was 8 mil."
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303. "Thas whassup!"
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I'm diggin' the slow burn!


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306. "Yeah.. I think they can get to 20 mill. "
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Was hoping for 30 but that's not bad for movie about a slave revolt.

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Lardlad95
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295. "Saw it tonight...and I have to say..."
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It's a good film. It's beautifully shot. The narrative is tight and well executed. I can't think of too many scenes that felt like padding...maybe, the first scene, and one or two scenes in the second act. Everything else felt like it was in the service of the plot. There was some great visual language. One scene in particular has a small beat that really sells the hollowness of a slave that's been broken. The climax feels like it comes a little late, but it fit the nature of the insurection, swift, unexpected and brutal...


Is it historically accurate? No, but most historical films take liberties in service of the narrative. I don't think that's a particularly big knock on the film. As for the rape in the film, we'll people are focusing on the big scene but be aware there are other scenes that are less violent but certainly just as disturbing. Also, I think the significance of Nat's wife being violated in that way was a call back to how she came to be part of his life in the first place. Like I said, I think the story was well crafted.

Now... I've avoided the issue enough so let's get to it...

I wasn't planning on seeing this film. Even if I believe there are white men in Hollywood who get away with horrendous things that doesn't excuse anyone doing anything abhorrent. It just doesn't...I don't care if Bill Cosby was going to buy fucking NBC, ABC, and the NFL. You don't want people to find skeletons in your closet? Then stop fucking collecting skeletons.

I don't care if Nate Parker is successful...I don't think I can support him given his response to these allegations. And yet I saw the movie...well I also stopped listening to Marvin Gaye for about a year because Jesus Christ that man was terrible to women....and I actually like Woody Allen but come on, I haven't seen one of his films in years because I saw Manhattan and I finally stopped pretending that there wasn't anything gross about what he did...


Sometimes you don't live up to your own standards. My girlfriend wanted to see it and we haven't gone out in a while, so we did. We were also going to see Queen of Katwe to balance out the movie karma, but they stopped showing it.

That said if this flops it flops. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good film, but Nate Parker is responsible for his own actions and how he responds to criticism.

  

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297. "dope review"
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305. "Curious about this statement"
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>I don't care if Nate Parker is successful...I don't think I
>can support him given his response to these allegations.


Is it that you think he is guilty and he didn't show remorse for what he had done or do you think he is innocent but didn't handle the aftermath very well?



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307. "At the very least he has shown questionable judgement and an incredible"
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Lack of class and critical thinking. I think black men need to seriously think about what our male privilege allows us in this society, and how connected it is to the larger struggle against white supremacy. I disagree that his film 'silenced' black women. But he certainly doesn't seem invested in gender equity in his personal life.

Simply put, I can't know of he's guilty, but I do know that he came off like a self righteous asshole, and considering the role sexual assault plays in his films, you'd think he'd be a little more nuanced in how he dealt with his personal life.

  

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308. "How tho, in your opinion?"
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>came off like a self righteous asshole


Like, what did he say or do that made him
come off that way, in your opinion?

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313. "I'm a husband and father now...."
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FOH...that answer is Trumpian.


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315. "Again..."
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What did he do or say that made him come
across that way, in your opinion?

Are you saying your own answer to this
question is "Trumpian"? Because you
didn't answer it.

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316. "I was confused as well... "
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he is saying Nate's answer of "being a husband and father" is Trumpian

I disagree but I see what he is saying. I thought it was Lanlard's answer too at first.

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320. "Using the women in your life as a shield against accusations is Trumpian..."
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That's what Nate Parker did.

The closest thing I said to that sentiment was my girlfriend wanted to see it so I felt it was less of an issue in this instance. But seeing a movie is so far away from rape I'm not sure why you would think they're the same thing.

Dude put his wife and daughter out there like that proves he couldn't possibly be guilty.

  

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324. "Ah ok, I thought that statement was your own."
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I just didn't get that idea from his
statement... especially since it was
only a small part of what he said.
His point was that he's grown a lot
and is a different person now, imo.
As a person who's not big on apologies,
I didn't see anything wrong with that.
If he felt he was falsely accused, I
also don't see why he'd apologize.
He decided to speak on her taking
her life... his choice, but I'd
get it if he didn't even do that.

>But seeing a movie is so far away from rape I'm not
>sure why you would think they're the same thing.

Nobody had the balls to say this to
the accusers except Me, Legs, & MiracleRic tho.
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314. "wrong spot"
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309. "Why do you say this?"
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Fri Oct-21-16 02:35 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

"But he certainly doesn't seem invested in gender equity in his personal life."

I do the thought of experiment of what if he is telling the truth. What if he were falsely accused of sexual assault by a white woman who later killed herself and people blame you for her death.

What's the right way to handle that?



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312. "You can maintain your innocence and still show empathy for the person..."
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Something went on, and humility and contrition can go a long way, even if it's just regretting that she took her life, or that you put yourself in a position to have your future threatened over being young and inpulsive.

Maybe he is innocent, do you think he went about standing his ground in the best way? Is the whole thing a witch hunt?


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325. "I don't think he handled it the best way, but I think he was damned"
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almost any way he tried to handle it.

One of the most unfortunate things that happened in this case PR-wise is that he, and everyone else, learned that the woman killed herself after he made his initial statement about the incident.

I think he was a dummy for not going having an interview with Oprah when given the chance.

That being said, him handling it poorly PR wise does not equal him being a rapist, which is pretty much what everyone of his opponents equate him to.




>Something went on, and humility and contrition can go a long
>way, even if it's just regretting that she took her life, or
>that you put yourself in a position to have your future
>threatened over being young and inpulsive.
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>Maybe he is innocent, do you think he went about standing his
>ground in the best way? Is the whole thing a witch hunt?
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310. "What other films can you site where he has this problem"
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311. "Typo, should have been singular. "
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319. "I've been thinking about this a LOT lately"
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"I think black men need to seriously think about what our male privilege allows us in
this society, and how connected it is to the larger struggle against white supremacy."

I agree 100%

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323. "Has anyone come up with a better list of "Black male privilege" yet?"
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Because the one they have out there
is 99% bogus, referring to little to
no privilege at all. You'd be hard
pressed to find 5 actual advantages
on the list, and most of it is full
of falsehoods or neglects the issues
Black men face as we are the most
targeted group in America and always
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317. "Too many cliche movie moments"
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This was surprisingly cliche for such a subject. I groaned many times, like during that battle scene where he's trying to reach for the weapon while the other guy is on top of him. Just generic stuff filling out an otherwise good movie. Amateur director shit.

  

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321. "RE: I saw Birth of a Nation last night"
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Lfresh and Sarah_Bellum have done God's work in this post. I see Rjcc, too.

I read this post like:

https://goo.gl/nCK5hN

Many men--not all--seem to only know the meaning of loyalty as it applies to a "boys club" charade (which is no loyalty at all, but collusion and betrayal). And some men even have the nerve to shout down or insult the intelligence of women and men who have every right to push back against their own demise. Thank goodness the mediocrity of sexism, misogyny, and patriarchy isn't the rarefied air that all of us want to breathe.

https://goo.gl/vc9Z0n

There seems to be a general lack of empathy for women on this board, fostered, in part, by a warped "some of my best friends are Black" syndrome when it comes to women.

  

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322. "https://media.giphy.com/media/13Ev9571xt8Bdm/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/13Ev9571xt8Bdm/giphy.gif

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Boogie Stimuli
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326. "90% of Black men accused of rape are accused by white women"
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Anyone who can have this conversation while
ignoring this information isn't worth taking
seriously and definitely isn't doing any kind
of good work. Furthermore, they care nothing
about Black men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_33aHzaS6kg

The article she's referencing:

A CRIMINOLOGIST EXPLAINS: 90% OF BLACK MEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE ARE ACCUSED BY WHITE WOMEN

Published On June 22, 2014 | By Big BOSS | News, Strictly for the brothers, The Barbershop

A few weeks ago, there was an extensive debate which occurred online over black men being falsely accused of crime, particularly rape. Some are under the mistaken impression that the number of false accusations are so low that they are not worth mentioning without the risk of insulting those who make legitimate allegations. Clearly, those who are inclined to believe such a thing are a) not familiar with the large numbers of black men who are in prison for crimes they did not commit and b) have never endured the stigma, trauma and humiliation of being falsely accused themselves.
So, to dig into this issue, I reached out to a real criminologist who understands these issues better than the rest of us. She doesn’t rely solely on emotion to make her point, but has actually spent years studying these issues. She isn’t using talking points for a political agenda to promote bogus scientific research, but has instead spent many years immersed in rigorous academic literature on this important topic.
Dr. Chenelle Jones at Ohio Dominican University, in the context of this interview about the Central Park 5, says that there is a study (among others) which argues that a very large percentage of the black men who are falsely accused of rape in America are accused by white women. I didn’t specifically ask Dr. Jones about rape, but it was a relevant topic, since the Central Park 5 consisted of five black and Latino teenagers who were falsely accused of raping a wealthy white woman.
The study’s results don’t surprise anyone who is familiar with the history of America’s criminal justice system, where thousands of black men have had their lives ruined by false allegations because others (including black people) either refuse to talk about it or don’t believe them. There is also no surprise when one considers how defendants (especially black males) are railroaded by the criminal justice system after being weighed down by a presumption of guilt. Most of these individuals who are falsely accused are doomed by the mere allegation. Black male defendants don’t typically have the vast financial resources necessary to fight their charges, and they are more likely to be racially profiled and arrested in the first place.
Also, I remind you that when football star Brian Banks was falsely accused of rape, his attorney advised him to take a plea deal because he was a “big black man” and “no jury would ever believe him.” Once again, anyone who has had a loved one sent to prison without the benefit of a jury trial understands that plea deals are typically met with such draconian consequences for demanding the constitutionally-guaranteed (yet racially-biased) jury trial. As a result, scores of innocent Americans go to prison for things they did not do. The same way a victim should have no fear of coming forward after being harmed by an assailant, a defendant should have no fear of asking for a trial by a jury of his peers.
The interview is below. I encourage the black community to have this conversation without allowing anyone to talk us out of this important discussion. Our men and women both matter, and we can’t let anyone’s racist political agenda cause us to sweep the brothers, fathers, husbands and sons of the black community under the bus. We’ve got to fight for ourselves and our scholars, activists and legal professionals must have the courage to address this very important issue.
The conversation is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4s9riqjh4

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327. "Interesting that some women here want to talk about it only in terms...."
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of men versus women without taking into consideration how this intersects with race which ultimately makes them allies with white racist who perpetuate the notion that a white woman would not consensually have certain type of sex with black men and black men can't control their sexual urges.

If they are so sure of the guilt of Nate Parker, how can they be sure of the innocence of the Scottsborough boys?





>Anyone who can have this conversation while
>ignoring this information isn't worth taking
>seriously and definitely isn't doing any kind
>of good work. Furthermore, they care nothing
>about Black men.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_33aHzaS6kg
>
>The article she's referencing:
>
>A CRIMINOLOGIST EXPLAINS: 90% OF BLACK MEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF
>RAPE ARE ACCUSED BY WHITE WOMEN
>
>Published On June 22, 2014 | By Big BOSS | News, Strictly for
>the brothers, The Barbershop
>
>A few weeks ago, there was an extensive debate which occurred
>online over black men being falsely accused of crime,
>particularly rape. Some are under the mistaken impression
>that the number of false accusations are so low that they are
>not worth mentioning without the risk of insulting those who
>make legitimate allegations. Clearly, those who are inclined
>to believe such a thing are a) not familiar with the large
>numbers of black men who are in prison for crimes they did not
>commit and b) have never endured the stigma, trauma and
>humiliation of being falsely accused themselves.
>So, to dig into this issue, I reached out to a real
>criminologist who understands these issues better than the
>rest of us. She doesn’t rely solely on emotion to make her
>point, but has actually spent years studying these issues.
>She isn’t using talking points for a political agenda to
>promote bogus scientific research, but has instead spent many
>years immersed in rigorous academic literature on this
>important topic.
>Dr. Chenelle Jones at Ohio Dominican University, in the
>context of this interview about the Central Park 5, says that
>there is a study (among others) which argues that a very large
>percentage of the black men who are falsely accused of rape in
>America are accused by white women. I didn’t specifically
>ask Dr. Jones about rape, but it was a relevant topic, since
>the Central Park 5 consisted of five black and Latino
>teenagers who were falsely accused of raping a wealthy white
>woman.
>The study’s results don’t surprise anyone who is familiar
>with the history of America’s criminal justice system, where
>thousands of black men have had their lives ruined by false
>allegations because others (including black people) either
>refuse to talk about it or don’t believe them. There is
>also no surprise when one considers how defendants (especially
>black males) are railroaded by the criminal justice system
>after being weighed down by a presumption of guilt. Most of
>these individuals who are falsely accused are doomed by the
>mere allegation. Black male defendants don’t typically have
>the vast financial resources necessary to fight their charges,
>and they are more likely to be racially profiled and arrested
>in the first place.
>Also, I remind you that when football star Brian Banks was
>falsely accused of rape, his attorney advised him to take a
>plea deal because he was a “big black man” and “no jury
>would ever believe him.” Once again, anyone who has had a
>loved one sent to prison without the benefit of a jury trial
>understands that plea deals are typically met with such
>draconian consequences for demanding the
>constitutionally-guaranteed (yet racially-biased) jury trial.
>As a result, scores of innocent Americans go to prison for
>things they did not do. The same way a victim should have no
>fear of coming forward after being harmed by an assailant, a
>defendant should have no fear of asking for a trial by a jury
>of his peers.
>The interview is below. I encourage the black community to
>have this conversation without allowing anyone to talk us out
>of this important discussion. Our men and women both matter,
>and we can’t let anyone’s racist political agenda cause us
>to sweep the brothers, fathers, husbands and sons of the black
>community under the bus. We’ve got to fight for ourselves
>and our scholars, activists and legal professionals must have
>the courage to address this very important issue.
>The conversation is below:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4s9riqjh4


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329. "This point cannot be overstated..."
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>which ultimately makes them allies
>with white racist who perpetuate the notion that a white woman
>would not consensually have certain type of sex with black men
>and black men can't control their sexual urges.


Exactly. D.W. Griffith made the original
Birth of a Nation (based on the book 'The
Clansman') to perpetuate the myth of the
Black male rapist from whom the white
woman must be protected. That was the
FIRST major motion picture AND caused a
spike in KKK membership. This was 1915.
100 yrs later, we have Black women and men
pushing white racists to the side to lead
the charge.
I've presented them, in this post, with
the fact that the false accusation of the
white woman has destroyed not only Black
men's lives, but the lives of their entire
families and even entire cities of Black
people. They ignore this integral piece
of American history in order to push an
agenda which clearly works in concert with
"The Clansman."

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legsdiamond
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330. "White womens ice is colder?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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328. "FALSELY accused***"
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