http://jezebel.com/m-i-a-made-a-dumb-clumsy-statement-about-black-lives-1772262968


"It’s interesting that in America the problem you’re allowed to talk about is Black Lives Matter. It’s not a new thing to me—it’s what Lauryn Hill was saying in the 1990s, or Public Enemy in the 1980s. Is Beyoncé or Kendrick Lamar going to say Muslim Lives Matter? Or Syrian Lives Matter? Or this kid in Pakistan matters? That’s a more interesting question. And you cannot ask it on a song that’s on Apple, you cannot ask it on an American TV programme, you cannot create that tag on Twitter, Michelle Obama is not going to hump you back."



See, I always liked/rooted for MIA why tear down a black movement in attempt to prop up one that doesn't stand for black people. She's using anti-blackness, let's not pretend


You have your own protest songs on Apple, you can created any fucking twitter hash tag you want; GTFOOHWTBS

and she married a white billionaire heir so I think she showed what she is really about.

I know, love knows no color but you out here screaming about the struggle while living in a rich white bubble.

stfu.

why can't they say Muslim Lives Matter...

bish, thats yo job.

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Not gonna front, I never really liked this jawn and always thought she was kinda wack and just getting by because she was "exotic," at least in the US.

But yeah, this broad grew up in London and later married a billionaire but she be trying to talk like she's some third world struggle survivor that's all about her peoples and freedom. FOH.

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/10_02_13/NewAfricaCenter/Rose-Aiello,-Ben-Bronfman,-Sherry-Bronfman,-Poppy-Gaye.jpg

with the writer low key clowning her when she was talking like Castro eating 20 dollar french fry plates.

http://www.vulture.com/2010/05/mia.html

It seems her activism is just a fashion accessory

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she a fool.

its not like she was a poor punk rock artist at that point

she had be in the spotlight for sometime at that point

the interviewer was also the one who ordered the damn fries

like...so you concious, and you trying to be an outsider...does that mean you shouldnt use the money you earned to eat some fucking fries?

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i still blame hip-hop.

for.

Look at her examples, they're all South Asian, Arab and Middle Eastern: the part of the world that's probably most near and dear to her politically and personally.

What she's trying to point out is that the oppression, violence and misery alot of those people feel are not yet chic to the BLM crowd, right now.

*Edited to add: Palestine has become chic pretty recently. Like in the last 2 or 3 years. I'm seeing a number of relatively young black activists come out as full-on pro-Palestine. That's about it, though.

The backlash the Yonce got came from YT, but of course YT would respond that way, so that's not whom she's talking about. She almost certainly sees herself as a natural ally and in an extremely similar boat as black people worldwide and she probably has no problem riding as hard as she can for us. She wants us to ride full-throttle for her people too.

The problem is that alot of the BLM crowd already does ride for those folks. It's not to chic levels yet, I wouldn't say, though, and she'd like it to get there.

This is shades of the Chris Rock's Oscar controversy where he cracked that asian nerd joke (problematic, but I can see both sides) and it eventually got re-branded as #notyourmule discussion

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/29/media/notyourmule-leads-a-difficult-conversation-on-race/

I take umbrage at her saying it's 'allowed' when some police dept categorize #blm as terrorist groups (hello NYPD) and police unions were sending not veiled threats at Beyonce.

It's just interesting that as opposed to taking the oppressors to task we are attacking people trying to make a difference.

If Beyonce asking why MIA wasn't riding for Black Lives when she came out I wonder how MIA would take it

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>If Beyonce asking why MIA wasn't riding for Black Lives when
>she came out I wonder how MIA would take it

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

activist.

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other group wants us on their team and wants to tap into what we create.

See all the shit Black folks catch in the US? They don't want to deal with that part, they just want the parts that have benefits.



"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation... want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters…. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

Frederick Douglass, 1857

...to assimilate with white folks if given the chance. They're not trying to mess that up with being perceived as the bad guy due to protests and activism. They'd rather let us go through that on their behalf.



Since 1976

Since when was it our responsibility to represent every other oppressed minority group in America? Other groups are already feeding off of what we had to go through with the civil rights movement and I've no problem with that but damn, why do we always have to be the all inclusive ones? How about some of these other groups step to the plate with their issues and incorporate us and our issues for once?



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want us to do the heavy lifting for everyone else.

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they want that.

It's completely messed up that the actual culprits of oppression and misery aren't called on to change, and instead, other groups insist that we take up their cause. But it's probably a human response.

sorry folks, you gotta pay dues.

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It's mad bootstrappy.

now i'm hot you're all on me..."

Besides that the causes and issues surrounding the BLM movement are not the same as whatever it is she's talking about or trying to talk about.




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problem with us as a group here? Certainly not in pre-modern times. And in modern times, people throughout the world have generally admired what we've accomplished here.

Plus, their beef is extremely similar to ours: imperialist/hegemonic meddling and oppression by white/European/Western powers in local affairs.

or been made aware of a time when any group from that region has spoke up in support of Black lives in the USA at any point in history.


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therefore let them whither on the vine/fuck them. Got it.

Edited to add: they were struggling colonies or newly independent and dealing with Western-backed dictatorial repression while our Civil Rights Movement TM was happening. Don't know what they really could have done for us then.

>therefore let them whither on the vine/fuck them. Got it.

If you want to boil it down to a very basic and crass essence.
But you and I both know it's way more complex than that. You and I both know that they are two very huge and important front lines that realistically can't be fought simultaneously without there being significant detriment to one or the other.

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shit, "where we are" isn't even where anyone wants to be. That fact that we still have to protest in 2016 is supposed to be a privileged position?



our people been beat, arrested & killed while other groups are still busy trying to assimilate hoping they can join the banner of white supremacy by maintaining anti-blackness when convenient

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that's just the way of the world.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

...being put on the whipping post. They'd rather we deal with getting the lumps and bruises for the cause then they can easily step on our backs and gain whatever inevitable progress that comes about in the aftermath.

Some of those same groups that feel that we need to sacrifice and speak on their behalf got a ton of folks in them that would call us niggers in a heartbeat in certain situations. Those fools better roll up their sleeves and put in their own work.



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she has been talking about political issues since day one

its not like shes trying to piggyback on anyone elses battles

....with folks of other minority groups in America that act as if Black folks should also be speaking on their behalf. Still, she's said things that fall in line with those who feel that way, so she still doesn't get a pass.


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and that sounds like something youre reading into it

i dont think ive heard latinos/asians/whoever saying 'black people speak for us!'

...whenever Black folks start standing up for Black issues.


Since 1976

now maybe she is saying why can't their be an MLM in America but I sure hope she isn't calling on us to do it.

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she has backed african issues

she supports refugees regardless of where they are from

but you and others seem to be saying, 'well why should black people support other peoples issues?'

which seems kinda myopic

also doesnt really fit with earlier third world political thought which aligned itself with african american struggles, MUTUALLY

im out of this thread anyway, it seems pretty defensive and ugly already

don't go...this is actually a pretty civil discussion going on here...compared to the other stuff on the boards...


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and can't fight other people's battles for them.

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fight for them???

what you're concluding.



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>but you and others seem to be saying, 'well why should black
>people support other peoples issues?'
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>which seems kinda myopic

I'm not reading this at all. Anywhere. It's more along the lines of, "why do we have some responsibility to speak the struggles of any other group/why do people take this tact whenever we take stand against the way h*we* get treated?

I've no problem with us standing in solidarity with other groups but we have to be careful because those actions aren't always reciprocated.

We can help others but we shouldn't always be expected by default to step to the plate for the issues of others, especially if a number of them don't want to rock the boat themselves.



Since 1976

i get the point of blacklivesmatter and i dont see a reason why people cant back that campaign

but yes, it is true, that social justice campaigns like blacklives matter ARE more acceptable in the media and do get more traction and attention

like it or not, black people, artists, activists, musicians, etc can mount campaigns about black issues, and even if there will be some quarters who oppose it, white liberals will 90% of the time, support it and give it space

black people have a visibility in the media that other minority groups just do not.

I hope we aren't supposed to feel guilty about it.

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For all the hoop and hollaring it's not as if we freed all the millions toiling in mass incarceration and cops are actually prosecuted for killing black people on camera.

Its a long road uphill, and it's interesting that what some would see as the model minorities asking a group under fire such as Af-American's to help them out. It would be nice if they spoke out from behind their white accepted fences instead of expecting the negros on the front line to take the bullets, lol.

>For all the hoop and hollaring it's not as if we freed all
>the millions toiling in mass incarceration and cops are
>actually prosecuted for killing black people on camera.
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>Its a long road uphill, and it's interesting that what some
>would see as the model minorities asking a group under fire
>such as Af-American's to help them out. It would be nice if
>they spoke out from behind their white accepted fences instead
>of expecting the negros on the front line to take the bullets,
>lol.

i dont think anyone is saying african americans are 'winning'

or that there arent myriad issues that still affect many black americans

but it is a fact that when it comes to media visibility, and no, this is not something to feel guilty about, black americans are the dominant minority group

black american issues will receive a hefty amount of coverage in europe and the uk as well - there is an established history of covering black issues, much in the way how there is an established history of highlighting the plight of jewish people

i dont quite get your 'take the bullets' comment as i dont think thats what MIA is saying

i dont think shes asking anyone to 'help out' either - shes been speaking out about other minority issues as long as shes been recording

her point is that, like it or not, black american activism is actually quite widely accepted and highlighted

it has a rebellious/righteous sense of cool attached to it

its just a fact and has been this way for several decades

for both black and jewish people who were facing extreme slavery, civil rights violations, and genocide.

>but it is a fact that when it comes to media visibility, and
>no, this is not something to feel guilty about, black
>americans are the dominant minority group
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>black american issues will receive a hefty amount of coverage
>in europe and the uk as well - there is an established history
>of covering black issues, much in the way how there is an
>established history of highlighting the plight of jewish
>people

Imho it's less about the fact it's 'cool' but the fact that there's been a history of mass mobilization because in some cases it was literally fight or die, where other minorities didn't have to deal because they were seen as model minorities, non-threatening or acceptably 'white'. They are critiquing from a place of privilege.

it just seems like a fucked up critique; If there was a feminist movement concerned with institutionalized rape culture that included critiquing of the legal system being an enabler, I can't imagine me like, "What about Ferguson tho!"

>it just seems like a fucked up critique; If there was a
>feminist movement concerned with institutionalized rape
>culture that included critiquing of the legal system being an
>enabler, I can't imagine me like, "What about Ferguson tho!"

those are two different things

MIA is just saying black lives matter, yes

but other non white lives matter too

black people in america are not the only ones dying in the world

i think her wording is clumsily divisive, but she is someone who has taken a pan-ethnic approach all her career

she has shown she cares about political issues whether you are in africa, asia or the middle east

shes a fighter for global political issues

black american activists of today seem pretty disinterested in aligning themselves with activists elsewhere in the world far as i can tell

wasnt always the case, historically, if you look at the 60s and 70s

but does seem that way today

*shrug*

>>it just seems like a fucked up critique; If there was a
>>feminist movement concerned with institutionalized rape
>>culture that included critiquing of the legal system being
>an
>>enabler, I can't imagine me like, "What about Ferguson tho!"
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>those are two different things

Not much different from an organization dealing with police brutality vs the syrian war.

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>black american activists of today seem pretty disinterested in
>aligning themselves with activists elsewhere in the world far
>as i can tell
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>wasnt always the case, historically, if you look at the 60s
>and 70s

In general you see alot of bleedover in activist circles; many of the organizers in #blm cut their teeth on Occupy for instance.

You may not have the black panthers and communists chilling in villas in France, but it's also a different time. On social media you see cross interaction all the time; some of it could be lip service but Im sure resources are shared.

MIA looks at things globally and it's fine; but i think it's unfair to critique a movement concerned with police brutality for not taking on geo-politcal issues.

>>but i think it's
>unfair to critique a movement concerned with police brutality
>for not taking on geo-politcal issues.

Number one, that's not all BLM is about at this point. Number 2, the critique that's taking shape in this post is "if those people haven't expressed love and concern for us before, screw them, we're out for delf." It's a very ugly sentiment.

It's more like "Screw you MIA for implying that our movement has some sort of unfair advantage in the world conversation that it shouldn't enjoy. Screw you MIA for insinuating that our cause is LESS important than your cause...and screw anyone that agrees with that nonsense you're yapping right now. "


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>Number one, that's not all BLM is about at this point.

But effectively we are stilll critiquing them for not taking, well what, every cause affecting POC worldwide?


>2, the critique that's taking shape in this post is "if those
>people haven't expressed love and concern for us before, screw
>them, we're out for delf." It's a very ugly sentiment.

True. But mine is more #notmymule . Groups need to work together, but critiquing a cause because they dont add your personal cause to the bylaws? Also gumdrops is alluding to #blm is pretty singular but you are going to find the big names critiquing and commenting on a wide variety of progressive things (trans, etc).

ridicule of it in hopes to boost her cause and the plight of the folks she rides for...
That's where she lost....

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Ain't none of this shit was free for us.

....treatment because we were the preferred minority group over other groups in America. Blood, sweat, tears, beatings, lynchings, hosings, dog attacks, etc. were what Black folks had to go through to even get to the point we are at now.




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FWIW- there was 'palestine stands w Ferguson'/'Ferguson stands w Palestine' hashtags at the time


the rest of her statement is like azelia banks level smartdumb, and no doubt making black twitter happy they got some fresh chum to rip to shreds

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catching on alot in the black/activist/American Left world in the last few years.

Even more so in activist circles

her comments are a complete misunderstanding of basic activism/intersectionality 101 for someone who claims to be woke and knowledgeable about marginalized ppl struggles


She hasn't really earned that pass you trying to give her



Also,btw- 1b muslims in the world, 40m black folks

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