"Those voting Hillary in the PRIMARIES, explain yourself"
Is it electibility? Bernie seems simultaneously further to the left and more appealing to independents. I'd say he's more electable.
Is it just that she's a woman? That's pathetic. Btw, Jill Stein is my favorite candidate, and if my second choice (Bernie) loses the D nom, I'm enjoying full license to vote for Jilly from Illy. You should too.
Are you a big bank?
Are you a weapons manufacturer?
I accept that some of y'all feel she's easily better than the Republican option (I disagree), but while Bernie remains a choice in the primaries, what is it that makes you vote for Hillary Hawk?
And no I don't hate her. People mistook my pointed comments as anger in another thread. I don't think she's genuine though, and yeah if Bernie causes her to shift her rhetoric to something more populist, it will be fake, she won't mean it, and yes I'll say "fuck her" for that.
12. "RE: oh shit. in that case...'YES SUH, BOSS, SUH. YES SUH.'" In response to Reply # 3
Cracking the HELL UP!!!!!
I haven't voted in the polls. But, the reason why Hill-dog is getting so much love is her speeches lately. She's really on that Black Lives Matter and the Dreamers Deserve Better steez and she's talking the peeps language. Basically, she's saying what the minorities wanna hear.
Bernie isn't doing that. Plus, he looks older than dirt. Even though he and Hill aren't that far apart in age. Its just that Hill got Uptown Clint on her team and that's always a plus with minorities.
Bernie doesn't have that. As much as I think Bernie would be more along the lines of what I would want in a President, there is no guarantee he won't keel over before he gets elected into office. Hillary and her pantsuits look healthier and younger to the peeps so I see Bernie not getting the nomination.
Now, on the pubes side, if Donald Trump actually gets the nomination, then Hill will win off top. Basically, every republican candidate looks like a total idiot except Carson. And, he won't win because he's black. Republicans may like him...but that whole black thing is a big minus to them.
And, yes, this is all coming from a black woman.
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**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
Mike Jackson Member since Dec 11th 2008 1093 posts
Thu Jun-25-15 02:08 PM
30. "why do we keep ballots secret?" In response to Reply # 28
couldn't we just as easily keep the votes tallied on a screen in public? with your name listed next to who you voted for?
if someone wants to vote for a member of the communist party, do you think there are any reasons why a person may not want everybody in town to know they voted for a communist?
if somebody asked everybody in town that was voting for a communist to 'explain' their vote, can you think of reasons ppl that support comunism wouldn't step forward to explain themselves?
>What is the big deal about telling people who you voted for? >
36. "Secret balloting is a different thing all together" In response to Reply # 30
but to entertain your little scenario, if a person votes communist (or whatever party) and they have an actual interest in that party winning, they should probably tell people why they voted that way in an effort to lure more people to their way of thinking.
But that's neither here nor there.
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."
Mike Jackson Member since Dec 11th 2008 1093 posts
Thu Jun-25-15 02:43 PM
38. "are you sure?" In response to Reply # 36 Thu Jun-25-15 02:46 PM by Mike Jackson
if a white supremacist is running for office, do white supremacist need to tell everybody they are a white supremacist to win?
or would they be selective about who they tell that to and when?
would they need to publicly state that was their agenda to win?
or would they tailor their message to their audience?
ask folks that got elected with the southern strategy if they needed to talk in public about their political affiliations to win elections.
then ask the ppl that voted for them if they had to advertise their white supremacist leanings to get their guy voted in.
they probably won't tell you the answer.
>but to entertain your little scenario, if a person votes >communist (or whatever party) and they have an actual interest >in that party winning, they should probably tell people why >they voted that way in an effort to lure more people to their >way of thinking. > >But that's neither here nor there.
62. "Right? Maybe I'm missing some history but I'm curious too" In response to Reply # 41
I'm curious why people would vote Hillary, and am willing to consider the possibility that i should, though that's not my first instinct.
I didn't think guy was demanding anyone justify their existence, maybe just break down why they chose Hillary. Seems like a fair question around election time.
In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king. -Hunter S. Thompson
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80055 posts
Wed Jun-24-15 09:03 AM
8. "whats funny is white people never tell you who they voted for" In response to Reply # 0
one day at work we had a little fun and asked all the white people who they voted door or who they planned to vote for...
umm, not sure that's my business
all types of excuses.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
16. "that changed a bit in NY" In response to Reply # 8
esp downtown and in brooklyn
they were loud and proud about voting Obama and hectoring other white folks not doing the same all the while giving me the wink nudge nod
i'm not sure that was better ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80055 posts
Wed Jun-24-15 11:59 AM
20. "Obama was the first time they abandoned the code" In response to Reply # 16
I can't front, I think half of them lied or didn't even vote.
Obama girl made that video, got 15 minutes of fame and then admitted she didn't even vote.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
she saves money that she can use in the generals. She doesn't get dirtied. She doesn't get forced so far to the left that she alienates some of the swing voters she needs to win. Pretty much looking to avoid what happened to McCain.
11. "RE: shorter election" In response to Reply # 9
>she saves money that she can use in the generals. She doesn't >get dirtied. She doesn't get forced so far to the left that >she alienates some of the swing voters she needs to win. >Pretty much looking to avoid what happened to McCain.
^^^^^Yep.....
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24. "I missed this one reply right here" In response to Reply # 9
I hear you and respect where you're coming from, at least you have a reason that makes sense. But its a depreasing, sad, defeatist, soul crushing mentality.
32. "i didn't indicate i plan to vote for Hillary." In response to Reply # 27
w/o regard for who i will cast my vote - i don't have to explain the shit to him.
lol
he could've phrased the question in a less offensive manner and actually spurred discussion. instead he came at folks in a way that puts them on defense immediately. as if they owe him some explanation.
>he could've phrased the question in a less offensive manner >and actually spurred discussion. instead he came at folks in >a way that puts them on defense immediately. as if they owe >him some explanation.
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47. "only because he can afford to be.. but yeah" In response to Reply # 45
believe I'm not fronting like I wouldn't vote for him were I 'murican.. but it's like he can afford to make the points he has been making and to not have a concrete plan to achieve it because he knows he will never have the opportunity to be put to task on it...
He's doing the very important job of raising the profile of issues and forcing discussions...
but for example he'll never have to deliver an actual plan for how to engage the rest of the middle east to take the lead against ISIS..
or how do you get better campaign finance regulations put into place and what specifically do those regulations look like..
I love his MO and I'd be thrilled if he got a chance to prove me wrong on all this.. he's a check and balance though and he knows it.. his main purpose is to ensure that certain things are not totally forgotten and unspoken... I may be cynical but I can't imagine he truly feels otherwise.
and to truly buy in one would have to admit that this is so perfectly indicative of the problem... we assume we can never have what want or need and that we must just get what we get and live upset.
51. "Honestly, I don't think it's just that, but" In response to Reply # 47
even if so, its up to the voters to reward positions and ppl they believe in, and change that calculation.
But Hillary isn't Bernie on the inside who just can't afforf to be who she really wants to be. Her life's purpose is to feed the corporate beast and she's exceptionally hawkish beyond what is necessary to have a shot at the WH. But either way, her political career is more important to her than the people. She represents everything broken about American democracy. And voting for her because she can't afford to take the positions Bernie takes does nothing but reinforce that.
"Gee, I really like what this guy stands for, but this lady over here who stands for all the wrong things can't afford to stand for those things i like, so I'll vote for her instead."
55. "true nuff but...imo.. he's running as a dem for one main reason" In response to Reply # 51
so that he doesn't end up splitting the left vote...
I figure idealistic and correct as he is even Bernie knows the lesser of evils is better than the greater.
I'm certainly replying/commenting more to express my opinions on Bernie than I am to promote/defend Hillary so I'm not exactly on topic with the OP here.
49. "WHOEVER IS THINKING OF VOTING HILL IS A FUCKING INGRATE" In response to Reply # 42
WHO'S VOTING FOR HER!?!? YO FUCKING STUPID IDIOTS!!! STAND AND BE COUNTED AND ENGAGE IN US VERSES THEM POLITICAL ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE DESTROYED THE POLITICAL PROCESS IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE I AM BORED AT WORK.
And i dont want Obama's agenda ripped to shreds by the next President.
And Hillary represents the best opportunity to solidify his legacy.
The narrative of the first black president is important to me.
Plus we see how important Supreme Court Justices are with the latest decisions. The first Obamacare decision helped Obama get re-elected and the second one solidifies his legacy.
Plus Hillary is the most qualified candidate out of all the people running because of her experience. I want her experience in the White House.
Let Bernie serve in her administration as an economic chief or something along those lines. His passion is undeniable and can be utilized there.
61. "yeah he has no shot" In response to Reply # 56
he just looks good now because he hasn't been put through the grinder and scrutiny of a long campaign yet.
14 months till the nomination is a long ways off for political flaws to show up.
We'll see.
I love the dude's passion though.
Just dont see him getting to the finish line and more importantly i dont see the BIG donors lining up behind him to get the nomination like theyve already started to do with Hillary.
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