"Poll question: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*"
I'm really looking forward to playing Fire Pro finally (stabbing cats it the neck with forks? Exploding Barbed Wired Match? 300+ roster? Oh snap), but it seems like Yukes are finally stepping their game up with the next Smackdown. Which are you hyped for?
11. "RE: Fire Pro is coming out in November in America for PS2." In response to Reply # 2
There were actually 2 Fire Pro games that came out for Game Boy Advance. Those are the only ones I know of that came out in the US. I copped the 1st one, but I was never able to get the controls right. It's the exact opposite of a button masher and you have to "eternal sunshine" erase everything in your mind what you've done in wrestling games for your whole life. I always pop it into my DS every now and then in the hopes that I can get into it, but I just can't get the controls down. The amount of characters and the wrestler editing function is RIDICULOUS and that was for a GBA game. Can't imagine what it would be like on PS2.
3. "RE: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*" In response to Reply # 0
Get the firepro ya'll. I have the last Japan one, and its righteous. Soooo many options. Its like Tecmo World Wrestling after 10 years with a personal trainer, a chef, and maybe half of cup of performance-enhancing jumpoffs.
6. "The Doc hasn't copped a SmackDown since '06... it's Maddening up" In response to Reply # 0 Sat Sep-29-07 08:27 PM by Dr Claw
as in, it diverged from what made it truly great once it became the only game in town... The weight class shit was better implemented in Day of Reckoning and No Mercy. They stay taking away the moves and the freedom of CAW and now, with the whole Benoit shit they may just erase any reference to him, his moves, or whatever...which The Doc can understand taking away his likeness but don't take away the dude's moves. They can be assigned to MVP or something
they're trying to emulate the real WWE a little too much and if you haven't noticed lately... it's been ass
but not Vida ass, more like super sloppy Britney before the VMAs on the beach ass... unacceptable
9. "they were actually developing something even better" In response to Reply # 7
with the submission system and how gimmick matches worked, all they needed was the No Mercy-style Guest Ref implementation
and the Day of Reckoning engine was even better than that...
but where Yuke's messed up with SD was trying to sim WWE...the weight class thing seemed like something Vince would have dreamed up and the inequality of it all as far as moves were concerned... plus they killed a lot of the great out-of-WWE moves... at least DOR still had those
Day of Reckoning with the detail of SmackDown's CAW should have been the cross-platform standard. For every step forward, SmackDown took 80 steps backwards
10. "thanx 4 ur input Doc, I have not fucked w/ a Wrestler since" In response to Reply # 9
'06 version of SvR. I've been in deep debate about geting a new next gen system, just so I could play a new Wrestling game, I've been waiting on more info. Again thanx for ur opinion.
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26. "are you talking about DOR or DOR2?" In response to Reply # 9
i need to buy a wrestling game, man. just cant make a decision.
it's either Here Comes the Pain or something for Gamecube. i recall the wrestlemania games being wack except for the fact you could break up peoples special moves, that was realistically cool. but i want something to play without the whole...wrestling simulation thing. i want a beat em up.
27. "DOR2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any SmackDown game" In response to Reply # 26
actually, DOR1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any SmackDown game
but DOR2... could very well be the G.O.A.T.
countering special moves has been the norm in wrestling games since SmackDown 4, but they've really finessed it now. When you counter a Pedigree, the wrestlers actually look like they're being brought into it and backbody drop HHH (or whichever wrestler uses it).
12. "my personal dream game" In response to Reply # 0
is an updated No Mercy on Virtual Console. Or even better, an original AKI wrestler available for download on PSN, Wiiware or XBLA. Fuck pretty graphics. No Mercy is ugly as shit by todays standards, but that shit is still the GOAT.
21. "RE: they should put Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 on Virtual Console" In response to Reply # 20
>Even AJ Styles and Samoa Joe cosign that game > >VPW2 is made by AKI... it's more or less an updated WM2000/No >Mercy.
YES. VPW2, not No Mercy, is AKI's shining moment for wrestling games. The default wrestlers were badass (Misawa, Vader, Kobashi, Kawada, Hansen, etc) and creating cats was a blast.
13. "RE: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*" In response to Reply # 0
Fire Pro Returns is only going to be about $15...
Editing on the game is the best in any pro wrestling game out there. 300 wrestlers plus you can make almost 400 more...
It has MMA fighters and a MMA mode (also has a K-1 fighting mode)plus the hardcore matches are pretty insane
And it has the best AI on a wrestling game...
I'll be copping it the day it comes out.
And I've played the other Fire Pro's and this is one of the best to ever come out
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>I ended up paying 60+ the 275 for a modded ps2 > >DAmn! (Ron Simmons)
Wow...I just got a emulator...lol.
But I ended up giving up my PS2 to my little brother so I'll just buy a new one and pick up Fire Pro (and maybe Smackdown)
"I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me, and my enquiry is as to their working, and my problem is their subjugation and victory, downthrow and upheaval, and my effort is their self-expression." Dylan Thomas
24. "I think as it stands right now Smackdown is just a few tweeks away" In response to Reply # 0
from being the GOAT wrestling series.
I think the main problem with smackdown and all other wrestling games is that they don't understand the fundamental psychology of the sport.
I can have an awesome 15+ minute match, which will then be ended with a hammerlock or maybe a regular body slam. You would NEVER see this in a real wrestling match. These games should be more of a simulation of "real" pro wrestling
Also regardless of what type of match you choose, the computer still plays pretty much the same. The computer should change his strategy depending on what type of gimmick match is.
The other thing is that moves should be more context sensitive. They made a nice start with the hotspot moves, but there should be more counters, and special moves available based on where you are in the ring.
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28. "This is how The Doc felt before '07" In response to Reply # 24
>I can have an awesome 15+ minute match, which will then be >ended with a hammerlock or maybe a regular body slam. You >would NEVER see this in a real wrestling match. These games >should be more of a simulation of "real" pro wrestling
Yeah, SmackDown matches USED to be over in like 2 minutes... especially if you "Dan Hibiki"-ed your way into a finisher, so they've improved immensely in taht respect.
>Also regardless of what type of match you choose, the computer >still plays pretty much the same. The computer should change >his strategy depending on what type of gimmick match is. > >The other thing is that moves should be more context >sensitive. They made a nice start with the hotspot moves, but >there should be more counters, and special moves available >based on where you are in the ring.
Yeah, and this is where DOR "won" to The Doc... because they pulled from the AKI book of certain situational/weapon moves.
30. "Yoooooooo. Got it. It's pretty hard, can't go above difficulty lvl. 4." In response to Reply # 0
I've only done normal matches, I'm still trying to get all the control straight. Sumo (Rikishi) and Victory Mushashi beat me about 20 times each before I won (with Sti---er, The Spike's Sharpshooter).
I'll be good once I get a handle on utilizing back grapples, special grapples, and corner moves.
This thing is mad time consuming and addictive. Hardly any of my matches have gone on less than 10 minutes.
31. "RE: Yoooooooo. Got it. It's pretty hard, can't go above difficulty lvl. ..." In response to Reply # 30
I got FPR last wednesday and it's a great game. I played SFPWXP on SNES almost 6 years ago so I always already use to all the controls
My only issues are that there's no season mode. Also the menu music is some of the worse I've heard in a game but considering it's a translation I can live with it.
But the edit mode is some of the best I've seen in a game since No Mercy.
I usually play on 5 or 6 and it gives me good run depending on who I'm up against. And the MMA and K-1 modes are nice as well.
"I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me, and my enquiry is as to their working, and my problem is their subjugation and victory, downthrow and upheaval, and my effort is their self-expression." Dylan Thomas
32. "Buy Fire Pro for CHEAP (link)" In response to Reply # 0
Family Video is selling it on their site for $12.99... but it can be even cheaper than that.
There are always coupons for them, it used to be $5 off for first time orders... but they might have lowered it to $2 or $3.
Shipping is only .99 and it will be here by Monday for me. It was backordered when I ordered 2 weeks ago, but now it is listed as in In Stock. I only paid 8.98 at the time.
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