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Topic subject*cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*
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121921, *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*
Posted by ActWon, Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM
I'm really looking forward to playing Fire Pro finally (stabbing cats it the neck with forks? Exploding Barbed Wired Match? 300+ roster? Oh snap), but it seems like Yukes are finally stepping their game up with the next Smackdown. Which are you hyped for?

Poll question: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*

Poll result (6 votes)
Fire Pro (5 votes)Vote
SDVSRaw (0 votes)Vote
Both (0 votes)Vote
Other (0 votes)Vote
...Wrestling? Bah. (1 votes)Vote

  

121930, Where can I get Fire Pro?
Posted by KneelB4Me, Sat Sep-29-07 03:42 PM
Is it an overseas game that I need to have modded unit to play or is it available at GameStop?

I've heard good things about it, but didn't know where to start. SDvsR has been wack in recent years, so I need a replacement.



"All America want is cold beer, warm p*ssy, and someplace to take a sh*t with a door on it." - Frisky Dingo
121931, Fire Pro is coming out in November in America for PS2.
Posted by ActWon, Sat Sep-29-07 03:44 PM
There are at least 10 other ones, but they're all Japan-only.
124170, RE: Fire Pro is coming out in November in America for PS2.
Posted by Dirty, Mon Oct-22-07 01:05 PM
There were actually 2 Fire Pro games that came out for Game Boy Advance. Those are the only ones I know of that came out in the US. I copped the 1st one, but I was never able to get the controls right. It's the exact opposite of a button masher and you have to "eternal sunshine" erase everything in your mind what you've done in wrestling games for your whole life. I always pop it into my DS every now and then in the hopes that I can get into it, but I just can't get the controls down. The amount of characters and the wrestler editing function is RIDICULOUS and that was for a GBA game. Can't imagine what it would be like on PS2.
121934, RE: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*
Posted by jimaveli, Sat Sep-29-07 04:59 PM
Get the firepro ya'll. I have the last Japan one, and its righteous. Soooo many options. Its like Tecmo World Wrestling after 10 years with a personal trainer, a chef, and maybe half of cup of performance-enhancing jumpoffs.

Jimaveli
121941, Sting is going to be on the next WWE Smackdown...debate over.
Posted by housenegro, Sat Sep-29-07 06:26 PM
121946, seriously? How did Sting manage to pull that off
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Sep-29-07 08:24 PM
he's gonna be in that new TNA game AND the WWE joint?
121968, oh shit you're right
Posted by housenegro, Sun Sep-30-07 09:52 AM
TNA impact, I just glanced at my game informer and this looks exactly like smackdown...this is what I'll be picking up.
121948, The Doc hasn't copped a SmackDown since '06... it's Maddening up
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Sep-29-07 08:27 PM
as in, it diverged from what made it truly great once it became the only game in town...
The weight class shit was better implemented in Day of Reckoning and No Mercy.
They stay taking away the moves and the freedom of CAW
and now, with the whole Benoit shit they may just erase any reference to him, his moves, or whatever...which The Doc can understand taking away his likeness but don't take away the dude's moves. They can be assigned to MVP or something

they're trying to emulate the real WWE a little too much and if you haven't noticed lately... it's been ass

but not Vida ass, more like super sloppy Britney before the VMAs on the beach ass... unacceptable
121967, they don't use the AKI engine anymore either do they?
Posted by x_amano_x, Sun Sep-30-07 09:52 AM
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121978, they were actually developing something even better
Posted by Dr Claw, Sun Sep-30-07 01:29 PM
with the submission system and how gimmick matches worked, all they needed was the No Mercy-style Guest Ref implementation

and the Day of Reckoning engine was even better than that...

but where Yuke's messed up with SD was trying to sim WWE...the weight class thing seemed like something Vince would have dreamed up and the inequality of it all as far as moves were concerned... plus they killed a lot of the great out-of-WWE moves... at least DOR still had those

Day of Reckoning with the detail of SmackDown's CAW should have been the cross-platform standard. For every step forward, SmackDown took 80 steps backwards
124141, thanx 4 ur input Doc, I have not fucked w/ a Wrestler since
Posted by Wong Tern, Mon Oct-22-07 07:00 AM
'06 version of SvR. I've been in deep debate about geting a new next gen system, just so I could play a new Wrestling game, I've been waiting on more info. Again thanx for ur opinion.
124417, are you talking about DOR or DOR2?
Posted by Doc Maestro, Wed Oct-24-07 01:00 AM
i need to buy a wrestling game, man. just cant make a decision.

it's either Here Comes the Pain or something for Gamecube. i recall the wrestlemania games being wack except for the fact you could break up peoples special moves, that was realistically cool. but i want something to play without the whole...wrestling simulation thing. i want a beat em up.
124420, DOR2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any SmackDown game
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Oct-24-07 07:46 AM
actually, DOR1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any SmackDown game

but DOR2... could very well be the G.O.A.T.

countering special moves has been the norm in wrestling games since SmackDown 4, but they've really finessed it now. When you counter a Pedigree, the wrestlers actually look like they're being brought into it and backbody drop HHH (or whichever wrestler uses it).
124491, good to know, but if they ever drop WM2000 or No Mercy on the Wii Store
Posted by Doc Maestro, Wed Oct-24-07 09:54 PM
I'm coppin immediately.

in fact, i'm gonna like, write them a letter or something.
124207, I just started playing again with 07
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Oct-22-07 08:00 PM
I hadn't played a smackdown game since Smackdown 2 on ps1.

I like the series
124257, word? You missed out on some good games in the series
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Oct-23-07 08:05 AM
SmackDown: Here Comes The Pain and SmackDown Vs. Raw 2006 were even better than SD2...
124173, my personal dream game
Posted by Dirty, Mon Oct-22-07 01:17 PM
is an updated No Mercy on Virtual Console. Or even better, an original AKI wrestler available for download on PSN, Wiiware or XBLA. Fuck pretty graphics. No Mercy is ugly as shit by todays standards, but that shit is still the GOAT.
124245, we are so here><
Posted by Wong Tern, Tue Oct-23-07 06:56 AM
124258, they should put Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 on Virtual Console
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Oct-23-07 08:06 AM
Even AJ Styles and Samoa Joe cosign that game

VPW2 is made by AKI... it's more or less an updated WM2000/No Mercy.
124381, RE: they should put Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 on Virtual Console
Posted by jimaveli, Tue Oct-23-07 06:25 PM
>Even AJ Styles and Samoa Joe cosign that game
>
>VPW2 is made by AKI... it's more or less an updated WM2000/No
>Mercy.

YES. VPW2, not No Mercy, is AKI's shining moment for wrestling games. The default wrestlers were badass (Misawa, Vader, Kobashi, Kawada, Hansen, etc) and creating cats was a blast.

Jimaveli
124200, RE: *cough*Fire Pro Returns or WWE Smackdown VS Raw 08?*cough*
Posted by thedude3000, Mon Oct-22-07 05:53 PM
Fire Pro Returns is only going to be about $15...

Editing on the game is the best in any pro wrestling game out there. 300 wrestlers plus you can make almost 400 more...

It has MMA fighters and a MMA mode (also has a K-1 fighting mode)plus the hardcore matches are pretty insane

And it has the best AI on a wrestling game...

I'll be copping it the day it comes out.

And I've played the other Fire Pro's and this is one of the best to ever come out



124203, $15??? That's so perfect.
Posted by ActWon, Mon Oct-22-07 06:31 PM
124252, for $15, i can check it out.
Posted by Wong Tern, Tue Oct-23-07 07:22 AM
124383, WTF!?!?
Posted by Adwhizz, Tue Oct-23-07 06:34 PM
I ended up paying 60+ the 275 for a modded ps2

DAmn! (Ron Simmons)
124385, RE: WTF!?!?
Posted by thedude3000, Tue Oct-23-07 06:45 PM
>I ended up paying 60+ the 275 for a modded ps2
>
>DAmn! (Ron Simmons)

Wow...I just got a emulator...lol.

But I ended up giving up my PS2 to my little brother so I'll just buy a new one and pick up Fire Pro (and maybe Smackdown)
124387, The MOST important thing Smackdown could "borrow" from FP
Posted by Adwhizz, Tue Oct-23-07 06:49 PM
would be the Logic feature.

it's insane how much you can customize how a wrestler will fight when controlled by the computer
124206, I've had FPWR (import) for over a year
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Oct-22-07 07:58 PM
so Smackdown
124386, I think as it stands right now Smackdown is just a few tweeks away
Posted by Adwhizz, Tue Oct-23-07 06:46 PM
from being the GOAT wrestling series.

I think the main problem with smackdown and all other wrestling games is that they don't understand the fundamental psychology of the sport.

I can have an awesome 15+ minute match, which will then be ended with a hammerlock or maybe a regular body slam. You would NEVER see this in a real wrestling match. These games should be more of a simulation of "real" pro wrestling

Also regardless of what type of match you choose, the computer still plays pretty much the same. The computer should change his strategy depending on what type of gimmick match is.

The other thing is that moves should be more context sensitive. They made a nice start with the hotspot moves, but there should be more counters, and special moves available based on where you are in the ring.
124421, This is how The Doc felt before '07
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Oct-24-07 07:48 AM
>I can have an awesome 15+ minute match, which will then be
>ended with a hammerlock or maybe a regular body slam. You
>would NEVER see this in a real wrestling match. These games
>should be more of a simulation of "real" pro wrestling

Yeah, SmackDown matches USED to be over in like 2 minutes... especially if you "Dan Hibiki"-ed your way into a finisher, so they've improved immensely in taht respect.

>Also regardless of what type of match you choose, the computer
>still plays pretty much the same. The computer should change
>his strategy depending on what type of gimmick match is.
>
>The other thing is that moves should be more context
>sensitive. They made a nice start with the hotspot moves, but
>there should be more counters, and special moves available
>based on where you are in the ring.

Yeah, and this is where DOR "won" to The Doc... because they pulled from the AKI book of certain situational/weapon moves.
127859, Yoooooooo. Got it. It's pretty hard, can't go above difficulty lvl. 4.
Posted by ActWon, Sat Nov-24-07 08:47 PM
I've only done normal matches, I'm still trying to get all the control straight. Sumo (Rikishi) and Victory Mushashi beat me about 20 times each before I won (with Sti---er, The Spike's Sharpshooter).

I'll be good once I get a handle on utilizing back grapples, special grapples, and corner moves.

This thing is mad time consuming and addictive. Hardly any of my matches have gone on less than 10 minutes.
127862, RE: Yoooooooo. Got it. It's pretty hard, can't go above difficulty lvl. 4.
Posted by thedude3000, Sat Nov-24-07 09:05 PM
I got FPR last wednesday and it's a great game. I played SFPWXP on SNES almost 6 years ago so I always already use to all the controls

My only issues are that there's no season mode. Also the menu music is some of the worse I've heard in a game but considering it's a translation I can live with it.

But the edit mode is some of the best I've seen in a game since No Mercy.

I usually play on 5 or 6 and it gives me good run depending on who I'm up against. And the MMA and K-1 modes are nice as well.


129338, Buy Fire Pro for CHEAP (link)
Posted by God Loves Ugly, Sun Dec-09-07 10:33 AM
Family Video is selling it on their site for $12.99... but it can be even cheaper than that.

There are always coupons for them, it used to be $5 off for first time orders... but they might have lowered it to $2 or $3.

Shipping is only .99 and it will be here by Monday for me. It was backordered when I ordered 2 weeks ago, but now it is listed as in In Stock. I only paid 8.98 at the time.

http://www.familyvideo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=279351

NEWMEM3F should work for $3 off

You can also try NEWMEM5F for $5 (it might be expired)