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"Poll question: So.. who's the most overrated player ever?"
Thu Jan-10-13 12:41 PM by melmag

  

          

I chose these 3 specifically because they rank high on all time lists but they seem to have the most holes in they legacy. the criticisms that often haunt them are in quotes.
Obviously all great players, but perhaps, shouldn't be ranked as high as they routinely are.

If you chose "Other", the player must be a sure shot HOF'er and a regular on all time listings. (lets say top 20)

Poll result (36 votes)
Big O: "inflated stats"/ "only one ring"/ "needed Kareem" (2 votes)Vote
Bill Russell: "glorified role player"/ "always on stacked teams"/ "would be outplayed today"" (9 votes)Vote
Kobe:"self centered"/ "no defining playoff performance"/ "Shaq sidekick" (24 votes)Vote
Other (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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So.. who's the most overrated player ever? [View all] , melmag, Thu Jan-10-13 12:23 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Jeter
Jan 10th 2013
1
no.
Jan 10th 2013
25
AIDS on your family nm.
Jan 10th 2013
57
RE: AIDS on your family nm.
Jan 11th 2013
74
      Bobby Gritch is 2.0 WAR ahead of Tony Gwynn's career total
Jan 13th 2013
156
           I might submit Tony Gwynn is overrated though
Jan 14th 2013
180
           somewhat , sure. but he was a great player regardless
Jan 14th 2013
233
           Bobby Grich is one of the best offensive 2B ever
Jan 14th 2013
194
                And Lou Whitaker is one of the best all-around 2B ever
Jan 14th 2013
220
non yanks fans know he's just a solid player...
Jan 14th 2013
235
      have you ever actually taken a good look at his stats?
Jan 15th 2013
237
Of these three i'd say Kobe. In 10-15 years it will be Wade though.
Jan 10th 2013
2
Wade had a playoff series that Kobe could only dream of.
Jan 10th 2013
24
      Kobe > Wade. Not even going to debate this.
Jan 10th 2013
35
      Wade 2006 playoffs >> Kobe at any point, ever
Jan 10th 2013
47
           ^^^Raw uncut truth nm.
Jan 10th 2013
58
           Kobe's 01 destruction of the Kings and Spurs says different
Jan 11th 2013
110
           If you wanna compress entire careers into one years playoffs, do you
Jan 12th 2013
140
                I mean you kinda have to with Wade.
Jan 13th 2013
153
                     exactly.
Jan 14th 2013
178
                     we agree for once
Jan 14th 2013
181
      You're right - Kobe never enabled the ref cheat code.
Jan 10th 2013
63
           oh gawd, kobe fans talking about not getting calls *faints*
Jan 11th 2013
85
                I'm crying...dude is serious too...haha n/m
Jan 11th 2013
86
                I didn't say Kobe didn't get calls.
Jan 11th 2013
87
                     kings lakers 2002 playoff series elbows you in the face
Jan 11th 2013
91
                          ^^^Yes, LA was done...i'm still angry about that series.
Jan 11th 2013
98
                          LOL. Not even in the same discussion as Wade 2006
Jan 12th 2013
129
                               LMAO. Hope you realize how dumb this reply is.
Jan 12th 2013
145
                                    Let's try it again: Wade Playoffs 2006 >>> Kobe ever
Jan 12th 2013
149
                                         LOL. Deflection!
Jan 12th 2013
151
                                              Wade 2006 playoffs >> Kobe at any point, ever
Jan 14th 2013
163
                Cut the disingenuous act, you know exactly what he's talking about
Jan 11th 2013
88
LOL WTF? Jesus Christ dude, log the fuck off
Jan 10th 2013
3
Scottie Pippen, cry!
Jan 10th 2013
4
RE: Scottie Pippen, cry!
Jan 10th 2013
5
you know i dont mean it, why you making me clarify now?
Jan 10th 2013
16
http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/scottie.jpg?w=500&h=320
Jan 10th 2013
7
At least he has his striking good looks to fall back on
Jan 10th 2013
19
It is Scottie easily.
Jan 10th 2013
32
      Scottie >>>> Ewing
Jan 10th 2013
38
      Sad thing is people believe that...DEFINITION OF OVERRATED
Jan 10th 2013
56
           Its true. get over it
Jan 11th 2013
83
                Has Pippen ever led a team to one game from a chip?
Jan 14th 2013
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                     1994.
Jan 14th 2013
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                     How u one game from a chip...in the ecf? 1994 = WRONG
Jan 14th 2013
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                     RE: Has Pippen ever led a team to one game from a chip?
Jan 14th 2013
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                          Wrong-o my friend
Jan 14th 2013
218
                          2nd best perimeter player in the league? WTF? In what year?
Jan 15th 2013
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      No one's out there saying Scottie's the 2nd best SF ever
Jan 10th 2013
51
           who the FUCK would have him ahead of bird/erving/lebron?
Jan 10th 2013
65
                That's my point
Jan 11th 2013
72
                     nah i am not making that leap, kobe ahead of pippen all time
Jan 11th 2013
75
                          I'm not either.
Jan 11th 2013
77
                          Nothing...really. Though Kobe is a great scorer
Jan 11th 2013
100
                          So let me get the right Pip> both Kobe & Ewing?
Jan 14th 2013
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                               I'm saying, if I had to build a team with just one
Jan 14th 2013
183
                                    LOL. This is absurd.
Jan 14th 2013
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                                    I think this is crazy talk, but hey.....strokes/folks
Jan 14th 2013
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                                         RE: I think this is crazy talk, but hey.....strokes/folks
Jan 14th 2013
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                                              RE: I think this is crazy talk, but hey.....strokes/folks
Jan 14th 2013
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                          I agree
Jan 11th 2013
81
I swear YOU have made this same post at least 2 other times.
Jan 10th 2013
6
RE: I swear YOU have made this same post at least 2 other times.
Jan 10th 2013
8
How bout them MAVS!
Jan 10th 2013
13
      lol
Jan 10th 2013
20
haha. you mad Kobe "winning"
Jan 10th 2013
9
      Five!
Jan 10th 2013
12
           RE: Five!
Jan 29th 2013
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Jordan. Russell is a close second
Jan 10th 2013
10
just no
Jan 10th 2013
14
If you are the GOAT you can't really be overrated, dude
Jan 10th 2013
17
You have to be young to say Jordan was overrated
Jan 10th 2013
34
I absolutely remember, and UI remember that he was human
Jan 10th 2013
44
      yup. Jordan is a monolith at this point
Jan 11th 2013
92
lol
Jan 10th 2013
42
there are dozens as athletic
Jan 10th 2013
54
Jump off a bridge nm.
Jan 10th 2013
60
FOH
Jan 13th 2013
161
Bill Russell is the most overrated player in the history of pro sports.
Jan 10th 2013
11
At least people are willing to discuss that possibility
Jan 10th 2013
15
      LOL that's because the people who saw him own the league will be dead
Jan 10th 2013
18
           6'9, zero offensive skills
Jan 10th 2013
37
                Uh, Rodman is in the hall, dude, Russell was better at everything
Jan 10th 2013
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                     Russell sucked, dude.
Jan 11th 2013
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                          "Russell sucked" <------ only on OKS
Jan 11th 2013
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                          you are a fool and dont know wtf you are talking about
Jan 11th 2013
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                               oh his scoring is respectable?
Jan 11th 2013
97
                               68 and 69 teams were comically stacked? FOH
Jan 12th 2013
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                                    You're right. He only had two Hall of Fame teammates in 68-69
Jan 12th 2013
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                                         they were the fourth of four seeds, OLD AS FUCK and on the road
Jan 12th 2013
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                               oh, by the way.
Jan 11th 2013
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                                    daaaaaaaaamn
Jan 12th 2013
122
                                    so he would lead the league in blocks and probably rebounds
Jan 13th 2013
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                                         yes, he would be a fine player.
Jan 14th 2013
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                                         he is still not the most overrated player or even close
Jan 14th 2013
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                                              yes he is, by far
Jan 14th 2013
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                                                   k
Jan 14th 2013
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                                         ummm, today's league isn't filled with lead-footed white dudes
Jan 14th 2013
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Todd Day
Jan 10th 2013
21
Wo Jo
Jan 10th 2013
22
no Duncan?
Jan 10th 2013
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HELL...no Duncan. The fucks wrong with you
Jan 10th 2013
26
he's just mad
Jan 10th 2013
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      Shoulda known...silly Laker fans.
Jan 10th 2013
30
lol. distractdistract!
Jan 10th 2013
55
^Pavlov's mutt^
Jan 14th 2013
162
bill russell = reggie evans minus the stunning good looks
Jan 10th 2013
28
hells naw
Jan 10th 2013
29
Rodman without the calm demeanor
Jan 10th 2013
31
Renaldo Balkman without the Humpty nose
Jan 10th 2013
33
Did you already plug his numbers into Johnny 5 to get his PER?
Jan 10th 2013
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is PER supposed to be hard to find?
Jan 10th 2013
48
      cmon guinness...blocks, orebs, steals, turnovers, then 3 pointers
Jan 10th 2013
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      russell - stromile swift minus athleticism
Jan 11th 2013
93
           but you cited BS made-up PERs
Jan 11th 2013
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                oh no doubt.
Jan 12th 2013
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      in his era he was top 10 and did you look at DWS by any chance?
Jan 10th 2013
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           Yeah, however how did they make that up?
Jan 11th 2013
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LMAO
Jan 12th 2013
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lmao @ Pippen being better than Ewing
Jan 10th 2013
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http://gifsoup.com/view1/1165656/pippen-dunks-on-ewing-o.gif
Jan 10th 2013
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      Starks dunking on Jordan, Pippen and Grant >>>>>>>> That mess
Jan 11th 2013
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      still my favorite dunk all time because of the step over
Jan 11th 2013
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      he basically begged for that GIF n/m
Jan 14th 2013
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how is the GOAT talent overrated?
Jan 10th 2013
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A lot of players could score like that, but they're not sociptaths
Jan 10th 2013
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Man, fuckin STOP with this T-Mac talk. He peaked and was as good
Jan 10th 2013
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      The T-Mac pile on is unfair. He legitimatley got hurt.
Jan 11th 2013
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           T-Mac at the peak of his powers >>>> Kobe
Jan 11th 2013
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           A LOT of players have been this n that pre-injury or even death
Jan 11th 2013
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           Staying healthy is part of it, sorry.
Jan 14th 2013
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                it was a good era of shooting guards, really
Jan 14th 2013
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                     Agreed with all of that.
Jan 15th 2013
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quit that "GOAT talent" horseshit
Jan 10th 2013
46
      Seriously though. Stop making the same post over and over.
Jan 10th 2013
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      Yet, your in these same posts over and over
Jan 10th 2013
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      Phil's words, so i'll take it as gospel
Jan 11th 2013
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           because you always take Phil's words on everything as gospel.
Jan 14th 2013
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You should have just made one poll option
Jan 10th 2013
43
^
Jan 10th 2013
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Randy Moss
Jan 10th 2013
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never heard that. Just heard he was the most talented ever
Jan 10th 2013
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Definitely more explosive than Rice
Jan 11th 2013
69
Calvin Johnson is already the best receiver in NFL history
Jan 12th 2013
123
no
Jan 12th 2013
132
Welp Randy said it today at SB media day...
Jan 29th 2013
253
George Miken is the correct answer btw
Jan 10th 2013
59
who really rates mikan *that* high? he is just a symbol of preintegratio...
Jan 11th 2013
84
Jerry West: The (O)riginal (G)unner but perennial loser
Jan 10th 2013
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He went to what, nine NBA Finals? Yeah, huge ass loser. STFU
Jan 11th 2013
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      white folks started that shyt.....so, two can play that game (ask Bron)
Jan 12th 2013
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           except west is regarded as one of the best clutch players ever
Jan 12th 2013
120
These posts always turn into "Name every great player"
Jan 11th 2013
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Larry Bird
Jan 11th 2013
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      Grrrrrr
Jan 12th 2013
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      Bird has actually become underrated over the years
Jan 14th 2013
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      agreed completely, he is every bit magic's equal
Jan 14th 2013
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      name me another SF w/ no athleticism who can ave 10 rbs/career
Jan 14th 2013
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Namath
Jan 11th 2013
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AI
Jan 11th 2013
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i vote jordan...i flat out don't respect his peers, except hakeem
Jan 11th 2013
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glad you can finally admit Zeke wasn't his peer
Jan 11th 2013
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when he beats zeke more than zeke beat him, you let me know
Jan 11th 2013
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      when Zeke comes anywhere close to this, come get me
Jan 14th 2013
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Jordan shitted on Magic, Zeke, Bird, Mchale, Parish, Kareem too
Jan 11th 2013
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them niggas was all done. bye.
Jan 11th 2013
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      There is a valid argument for that.
Jan 11th 2013
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           The 49 & 63 against the C's in 86 wasn't against a washed up team
Jan 12th 2013
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                Of course he did. He did his winning AFTER though.
Jan 12th 2013
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                     RE: Of course he did. He did his winning AFTER though.
Jan 12th 2013
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                     So numbers>>>>>>.winning to you. Got it.
Jan 14th 2013
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                          >JUST like a Kobe stan lmao. You don't want to talk individual anything.
Jan 14th 2013
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                          ok so why dont kobestanis recognize russell as the GOAT?
Jan 14th 2013
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                               MPLS titles count if 9 straight counts.
Jan 14th 2013
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                     That's like expecting Kyrie to beat the Heat and OKC in the playoffs
Jan 14th 2013
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                          I never called Mike over rated.
Jan 15th 2013
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"God in disguise as MJ" - Birdman
Jan 12th 2013
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      RE: "God in disguise as MJ" - the guy who won that series
Jan 12th 2013
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The correct answer is Wilt.
Jan 11th 2013
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^^^REAL SPIT!!!!!!!
Jan 12th 2013
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yup
Jan 12th 2013
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except wilt led the league in assists and kept his teams competitive
Jan 12th 2013
except wilt led the league in assists and kept his teams competitive
Jan 12th 2013
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lol so that he could SAY that led the league in assists
Jan 12th 2013
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Eh, he took it as a personal challenge and did it
Jan 12th 2013
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LOL don't be so defensive, sweet cheeks.
Jan 12th 2013
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Kobe's individual accolades don't fuck with that list at ALL.
Jan 12th 2013
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      i thought i left my wok on, but it was just this post sizzling.
Jan 12th 2013
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      LOL@some perspective. Bird's list don't even fuck with Kobe's
Jan 14th 2013
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           In 17 years tho right?
Jan 14th 2013
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                So, I mean, Bird couldn't last 17 years, right?
Jan 14th 2013
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                     Kobe didn't go to college, which is an extra 4 NBA seasons right there
Jan 14th 2013
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                          Which is still comparable, plus his career stats go up.
Jan 14th 2013
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                               oh Kobe definitely belongs on the list
Jan 14th 2013
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                               Kobe has 1 MVP to Bird's 3 and they both have 2 Finals MVPs.
Jan 14th 2013
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                                    LOL I already broke it down. Kobe has more of everything BUT MVP's
Jan 14th 2013
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I know rings are the only stats Kobestanis like, but uhhh
Jan 12th 2013
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Wow
Jan 12th 2013
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Surprised at the lack of Jabbar on that list
Jan 12th 2013
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4
Jan 14th 2013
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      sorry, got confused because i jammed a finger, two are taped together
Jan 14th 2013
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the poll is the most overrated player EVER
Jan 12th 2013
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NO YOU STOP RIGHT NOW
Jan 12th 2013
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      Tell em!
Jan 12th 2013
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      ....you know they're talking about 2 guards right?
Jan 12th 2013
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      An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere (c)
Jan 12th 2013
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           I'd deflect if I were you too. n/m
Jan 13th 2013
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      RE: NO YOU STOP RIGHT NOW
Jan 29th 2013
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No Olajuwon? Wow.
Jan 12th 2013
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Olajuwon is overrated as fuck. 2 phenomenal post seasons
Jan 12th 2013
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      On that note, the playoff list:
Jan 12th 2013
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      Command/Control F : Enters Kobe
Jan 13th 2013
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      2 phenomenal post seasons>>infinity regular season MVPs
Jan 13th 2013
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      ^^^Thinks Robert Horry is an all-time great
Jan 13th 2013
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           There's a context you're ignoring there, Hoss
Jan 14th 2013
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      No, dude, just no. Watch him in the Finals against Boston, get back w me
Jan 13th 2013
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      you can argue Robinson was otherwise on par w/ Hakeem, not Ewing though
Jan 14th 2013
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           Hakeem was the greatest of what was a great...
Jan 14th 2013
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                I will entertaiin the possibility that he was clearly better than those ...
Jan 14th 2013
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                I don't know, man...
Jan 14th 2013
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                     if you compare Dream's 86-91 seasons to his 92-96
Jan 14th 2013
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                          Fine, but he was still a hall-of-famer...
Jan 14th 2013
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                          agreed
Jan 14th 2013
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                          and also playing without a second option throughout
Jan 15th 2013
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                               I see no merit in that argument.
Jan 15th 2013
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                LMAO! I called Ewing the Dirk Nowitzki of centers a few years ago
Jan 14th 2013
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                     ewing's problem was injury basically
Jan 15th 2013
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                          he was already relying too heavy on those fallaway jumpers before that
Jan 16th 2013
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Timmy don't even show up on this list....
Jan 14th 2013
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      shows up five different times on the playoff one before you get to Kobe
Jan 14th 2013
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           higher career PER and he chilling in the 80s.
Jan 14th 2013
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Big O is so fucking lucky his career didn't occur in the
Jan 13th 2013
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LOL how so? By any account he was LeBron before LeBron, dude
Jan 14th 2013
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      honestly, how would O do in today's league?
Jan 14th 2013
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           Why not? He could dribble, pass, and shoot really well.
Jan 14th 2013
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           his adjusted numbers are still great.
Jan 14th 2013
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           I'm not a fan of the advanced stats to tell the tale.
Jan 14th 2013
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                not necessarily advanced stats but adjusted ones
Jan 14th 2013
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                True, adjusted was the term I was looking for but eluded me.
Jan 14th 2013
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                a quad-double wouldnt be far fetched for Bron
Jan 14th 2013
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                i would think he'd get 15 boards barely trying
Jan 14th 2013
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                     40/15/10
Jan 15th 2013
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                LOL @ adjusting for pace being advanced.
Jan 15th 2013
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           he was also a rebounder and a guy who was advanced physically
Jan 14th 2013
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           he would be hands down the best guard in the league in any era w/
Jan 14th 2013
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Cal Ripken Jr.
Jan 14th 2013
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some WNBA players today could've played NBA in the 70s
Jan 14th 2013
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naw, they ain't got the ball to bang with the big boys
Jan 14th 2013
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      wouldn't dominate, but they have size/skill to play in 70s NBA
Jan 14th 2013
231
I love him but ...Michael vick
Jan 15th 2013
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So Kobe's NOT the 2nd best two guard of all time?
Jan 15th 2013
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*Won't say Whaq*
Jan 15th 2013
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Surprised no one's brought up Reggie Miller yet
Jan 15th 2013
248
Hmmm...Good one.
Jan 16th 2013
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i think reggie is rated pretty fairly
Jan 16th 2013
252
Let's see...
Jan 29th 2013
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so pretty much on par for a melmag post
Jan 29th 2013
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