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Subject: "yeah, i was very much looking forward to that."
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thejerseytornado
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Wed Mar-06-13 11:04 AM
38. "yeah, i was very much looking forward to that."
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was sad.
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
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Jeremy Lin >>than Carmelo/Wade (analytics from SLOAN)
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ShawndmeSlanted
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Tue Mar-05-13 08:58 AM
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I'll Give It A Listen
RexLongfellow
Mar 05th 2013
1
I agree
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 05th 2013
3
stop doing this
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
8
RE: stop doing this
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
16
fair enough
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
18
It's shinebox, not shoeshine...
ThaTruth
Mar 06th 2013
23
RE: It's shinebox, not shoeshine...
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
78
no one on this board is fire and brimstone.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
9
c'mon
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
14
this is such good proof that analytics HELP
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
17
RE: this is such good proof that analytics HELP
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
20
every team had someone at sloan.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
36
oh, come on
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
22
Listening now. Thanks. n/m
Orbit_Established
Mar 05th 2013
2
dope would love to hear your thoughts
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 05th 2013
4
Nah, lots of new information
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
12
Carmelo's pass recipients lead the league in eFG% huh?
celery77
Mar 05th 2013
5
Morey gives off notes off Tarantino
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 05th 2013
6
No, it means that he makes the right pass, Einstein.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
10
him and amare have looked really really good on the floor
Cenario
Mar 06th 2013
13
the stat makes sense.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
19
if you also look at who Melo plays with
Cenario
Mar 06th 2013
21
that's another thing i didn't point out.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
24
So basically, the stat is meaningful and Carmelo is really good.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
25
i wouldn't go quite that far.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
27
Its not any less convoluted or loaded than # of assists
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
30
agree that assists are another can of worms.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
32
LOL. Right, and this Melo stat is just as useful.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
40
the problem isn't that melo is an infrequent distributor
Cenario
Mar 06th 2013
31
hmm.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
34
also: what other players w/ Melo's usage profile can he be compared to?
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
39
LOL -- you can't have stats that control for everything, Einstein.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
43
but is it a function of his scoring ability, his team, or his passing?
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
46
LMAO!!!
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
49
not tough to find.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
47
where do you find that stuff? I dunno where to look for those things.
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
50
basketball reference.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
54
thanks -- I'll have to get better at tooling around on there n/m
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
56
they have some sort of player comparison engine.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
58
Seriously. NOBODY on the Knicks can consistently create offense
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
35
his assist rates have been constant for his career.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
48
LOL -- aaand he's led the league in Assist-EFG % for two years.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
52
DANTONI SYSTEM
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
53
Exactly. Carmelo led league as a point frwd AND as a power frwd
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
59
LOL
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
61
it makes sense, but it's also lies, damn lies, and statistics
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
26
okay, man.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
29
analytics are all interesting to me, I just don't swallow them whole
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
33
LOL. The Melo advanced stats *are* team stats.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
37
but see? the podcast didn't give a historic perspective on that stat
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
42
Just stop.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
44
this is why we get mad
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
41
and your valuation here is exactly why I keep nitpicking:
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
45
who is doing this?
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
51
I'm not saying people don't watch, just saying it's part + parcel
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
55
the major problem is obviously the reverse, though.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
57
Agreed. Basketball will never, ever be like baseball in that regard.
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
60
it's not non-watching nerds, it's non-contextualizing
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
64
again, where is this happening?
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
74
for starters I think PER, TS%, eFG% etc. < points per possession
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
77
huh?
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
79
TS% = points per possession for an individual, i.e. possibly misleading
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
80
ugh.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
81
I'm saying any time TS% is used as an iron-clad metric = lacks context
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
82
LOL
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
84
I don't understand what's missing -- you want links to posts?
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
85
yes, 11-12 was an outlier
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
86
so every stat needs context to have any real meaning
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
88
wtf
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
89
if you want links to posts, I'm not that bored
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
90
this is just insane.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
91
glad we agree then?
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
92
so then why did you spend so much time arguing?
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
93
okay I will (and cherry-pick my own quotes, too):
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
94
and again, who *ever* disagreed?
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
95
lulz...
ThaTruth
Mar 06th 2013
69
FOOTBALL MANAGE MENTION!!!
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
72
lol. you never would have eyeballed it without that stat being introduce...
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
62
it also didn't change my OPINION that Melo is a gun
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
66
when the eyeball says one thing and the stats another
thejerseytornado
Mar 06th 2013
87
I wouldn't say PER sucks.
Frank Longo
Mar 06th 2013
71
yeah, i agree.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
75
lol at you trying to checkmate Gunness
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
67
Anybody else listen?
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
7
I'll be reading the book the former OKC analytics guy
Orbit_Established
Mar 06th 2013
11
yep gonna be my flight to Thailand read if all goes as planned
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
15
I looked up the "game brain" thing, too -- no playable test online :-(
celery77
Mar 06th 2013
28
RE: Anybody else listen?
southphillyman
Mar 06th 2013
63
c'mon man.
Guinness
Mar 06th 2013
73
RE: Anybody else listen?
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
76
i was talking bout oks posters not doing that
southphillyman
Mar 06th 2013
83
Okay dude.
RaFromQueens
Mar 06th 2013
65
lol okay
ShawndmeSlanted
Mar 06th 2013
70
idc idc idc
RaFromQueens
Mar 06th 2013
97
You literally didn't get 4 words into the post.
Ryan M
Mar 06th 2013
96
thanks listening now.
El_essence
Mar 06th 2013
68
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