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70. "lol okay"
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what did I start exactly?

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Jeremy Lin >>than Carmelo/Wade (analytics from SLOAN) [View all] , ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Mar-05-13 08:58 AM
 
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I'll Give It A Listen
Mar 05th 2013
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I agree
Mar 05th 2013
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      stop doing this
Mar 06th 2013
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      RE: stop doing this
Mar 06th 2013
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           fair enough
Mar 06th 2013
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           It's shinebox, not shoeshine...
Mar 06th 2013
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                RE: It's shinebox, not shoeshine...
Mar 06th 2013
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      no one on this board is fire and brimstone.
Mar 06th 2013
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           c'mon
Mar 06th 2013
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                this is such good proof that analytics HELP
Mar 06th 2013
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                RE: this is such good proof that analytics HELP
Mar 06th 2013
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                     every team had someone at sloan.
Mar 06th 2013
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                oh, come on
Mar 06th 2013
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Listening now. Thanks. n/m
Mar 05th 2013
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dope would love to hear your thoughts
Mar 05th 2013
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      Nah, lots of new information
Mar 06th 2013
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Carmelo's pass recipients lead the league in eFG% huh?
Mar 05th 2013
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Morey gives off notes off Tarantino
Mar 05th 2013
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No, it means that he makes the right pass, Einstein.
Mar 06th 2013
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him and amare have looked really really good on the floor
Mar 06th 2013
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the stat makes sense.
Mar 06th 2013
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      if you also look at who Melo plays with
Mar 06th 2013
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      that's another thing i didn't point out.
Mar 06th 2013
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           So basically, the stat is meaningful and Carmelo is really good.
Mar 06th 2013
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                i wouldn't go quite that far.
Mar 06th 2013
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                     Its not any less convoluted or loaded than # of assists
Mar 06th 2013
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                     agree that assists are another can of worms.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          LOL. Right, and this Melo stat is just as useful.
Mar 06th 2013
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                     the problem isn't that melo is an infrequent distributor
Mar 06th 2013
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                          hmm.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          also: what other players w/ Melo's usage profile can he be compared to?
Mar 06th 2013
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                               LOL -- you can't have stats that control for everything, Einstein.
Mar 06th 2013
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                               but is it a function of his scoring ability, his team, or his passing?
Mar 06th 2013
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                                    LMAO!!!
Mar 06th 2013
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                               not tough to find.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                    where do you find that stuff? I dunno where to look for those things.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                         basketball reference.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                              thanks -- I'll have to get better at tooling around on there n/m
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                   they have some sort of player comparison engine.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          Seriously. NOBODY on the Knicks can consistently create offense
Mar 06th 2013
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                               his assist rates have been constant for his career.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                    LOL -- aaand he's led the league in Assist-EFG % for two years.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                         DANTONI SYSTEM
Mar 06th 2013
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                                              Exactly. Carmelo led league as a point frwd AND as a power frwd
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                   LOL
Mar 06th 2013
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      it makes sense, but it's also lies, damn lies, and statistics
Mar 06th 2013
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           okay, man.
Mar 06th 2013
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           analytics are all interesting to me, I just don't swallow them whole
Mar 06th 2013
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                LOL. The Melo advanced stats *are* team stats.
Mar 06th 2013
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                but see? the podcast didn't give a historic perspective on that stat
Mar 06th 2013
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                     Just stop.
Mar 06th 2013
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                this is why we get mad
Mar 06th 2013
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                     and your valuation here is exactly why I keep nitpicking:
Mar 06th 2013
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                     who is doing this?
Mar 06th 2013
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                     I'm not saying people don't watch, just saying it's part + parcel
Mar 06th 2013
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                          the major problem is obviously the reverse, though.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          Agreed. Basketball will never, ever be like baseball in that regard.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          it's not non-watching nerds, it's non-contextualizing
Mar 06th 2013
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                          again, where is this happening?
Mar 06th 2013
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                               for starters I think PER, TS%, eFG% etc. < points per possession
Mar 06th 2013
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                                    huh?
Mar 06th 2013
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                                         TS% = points per possession for an individual, i.e. possibly misleading
Mar 06th 2013
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                                              ugh.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                   I'm saying any time TS% is used as an iron-clad metric = lacks context
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                        LOL
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                             I don't understand what's missing -- you want links to posts?
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  yes, 11-12 was an outlier
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  so every stat needs context to have any real meaning
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  wtf
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  if you want links to posts, I'm not that bored
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  this is just insane.
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  glad we agree then?
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  so then why did you spend so much time arguing?
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  okay I will (and cherry-pick my own quotes, too):
Mar 06th 2013
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                                                                  and again, who *ever* disagreed?
Mar 06th 2013
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                          lulz...
Mar 06th 2013
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                          FOOTBALL MANAGE MENTION!!!
Mar 06th 2013
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                     lol. you never would have eyeballed it without that stat being introduce...
Mar 06th 2013
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                          it also didn't change my OPINION that Melo is a gun
Mar 06th 2013
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                               when the eyeball says one thing and the stats another
Mar 06th 2013
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                     I wouldn't say PER sucks.
Mar 06th 2013
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                          yeah, i agree.
Mar 06th 2013
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           lol at you trying to checkmate Gunness
Mar 06th 2013
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Anybody else listen?
Mar 06th 2013
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I'll be reading the book the former OKC analytics guy
Mar 06th 2013
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yep gonna be my flight to Thailand read if all goes as planned
Mar 06th 2013
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I looked up the "game brain" thing, too -- no playable test online :-(
Mar 06th 2013
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yeah, i was very much looking forward to that.
Mar 06th 2013
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RE: Anybody else listen?
Mar 06th 2013
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      c'mon man.
Mar 06th 2013
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      RE: Anybody else listen?
Mar 06th 2013
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           i was talking bout oks posters not doing that
Mar 06th 2013
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Okay dude.
Mar 06th 2013
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idc idc idc
Mar 06th 2013
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You literally didn't get 4 words into the post.
Mar 06th 2013
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thanks listening now.
Mar 06th 2013
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