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2. "in the NBA it's awesome for 5-man units, less awesome for individuals"
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I also always liked it in hockey because it generally aligned with the best players, so it had to have SOMETHING.

I distinctly remember the first year Igor Larionov was on the Sharks ('93-'94) where the team set an NHL record for a turnaround between seasons (they had just set the NHL record for losses the year prior with 71, so really they could only go up from there...) and the roster was good, not great -- classic 8th seed material -- but there was ONE player who had a +/- that popped out and it was Igor Larionov. and it's not hard to figure out why, he was probably the best, most complete player on that roster (which is probably why he ended up a long-time Scotty Bowman Red Wing, keeping that team elite by anchoring their 3rd line for years). so yeah, with hockey you have to adjust *a little* for team performance but in my time watching the sport it always had a way of neatly coinciding in a positive (or negative) fashion with the most complete (/incomplete) players in the game.

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How Important is the '+/-' Stat to you? [View all] , UpNorth, Fri Jan-18-13 11:37 AM
 
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means more to me for hockey than hoops
Jan 18th 2013
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hockey is so far behind on metric stats, more don cherry effect
Jan 18th 2013
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came here to mention 5-man units
Jan 18th 2013
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it's important when it supports my agendas
Jan 18th 2013
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^^^
Jan 18th 2013
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hahaha
Jan 18th 2013
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beautiful....
Jan 18th 2013
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It means absolutely nothing in basketball
Jan 18th 2013
5
you don't even subscribe to 5-man +/-? just curious here...
Jan 18th 2013
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it's not in the boxscore.
Jan 18th 2013
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aaahhahhahhaaaa
Jan 18th 2013
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i'm highly suspicious of it for 2 reasons
Jan 18th 2013
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      agree completely w/ #2, but I think larger sample size = solution there
Jan 18th 2013
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      lol wut
Jan 18th 2013
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      I'd assume you, of all people, would know how Science works...
Jan 18th 2013
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           LOL
Jan 18th 2013
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                or maybe I'm just comfortable enough in my intellect to use it correct?
Jan 18th 2013
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                     advanced stats aren't proofs of shit and don't have to be theory driven
Jan 18th 2013
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                          Andray Blatche is 9th in PER -- does this mean he's 9th most efficient?
Jan 18th 2013
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      not sure 5 man rotations really reach the sample size u need
Jan 18th 2013
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           I mean, if I was a team I'd ask coach to use a rotation I could analyze
Jan 18th 2013
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                i see you've decided to just swing at everyone in here...
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                     I'm just asking questions to form discussion, no more serious than that
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      everyone plays the same teams
Jan 18th 2013
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           but not everyone plays the same lineups
Jan 18th 2013
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LOL
Jan 18th 2013
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no, it means something over time and it means something for units
Jan 18th 2013
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      That's the the thing, most NBA teams don't play set units for an...
Jan 18th 2013
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advanced metrics:OKS::okayscience:GD
Jan 18th 2013
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^^^Won't acknowledge that vaccinations are the REAL WMDs
Jan 18th 2013
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we can't really match gd on either extreme
Jan 18th 2013
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All it really says is that you play in offensive situations for a good t...
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