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>and I actually watch 48m basketball games, and if you can't
>see who is causing / when runs are occurring, then you
>probably need to study the game more. and anyway once
>playoffs roll around any team moving past the 1st round is
>going to have a recognizable rotation with searchable stats.
>I just believe that will be true from now until they revamp
>how the playoffs work.

like what the fuck is your damn point with this? +/- is a bad one person stat. The 5 man rotations don't have many minutes together: http://www.82games.com/0910/09BOS2.HTM#5man

There are only one or two of those with enough minutes for me to even consider starting to weight them by anything beyond a very basic measure of the strength of opponent, and that's for Rondo, a guy who played 75% of the minutes that season. So yeah, you could weight starting units and maybe one or two other units, but I doubt you could get any other estimation technique to be stable with those small sample sizes.

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How Important is the '+/-' Stat to you? [View all] , UpNorth, Fri Jan-18-13 11:37 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
means more to me for hockey than hoops
Jan 18th 2013
1
hockey is so far behind on metric stats, more don cherry effect
Jan 18th 2013
31
in the NBA it's awesome for 5-man units, less awesome for individuals
Jan 18th 2013
2
came here to mention 5-man units
Jan 18th 2013
3
it's important when it supports my agendas
Jan 18th 2013
4
^^^
Jan 18th 2013
7
hahaha
Jan 18th 2013
12
beautiful....
Jan 18th 2013
27
It means absolutely nothing in basketball
Jan 18th 2013
5
you don't even subscribe to 5-man +/-? just curious here...
Jan 18th 2013
6
it's not in the boxscore.
Jan 18th 2013
8
aaahhahhahhaaaa
Jan 18th 2013
9
i'm highly suspicious of it for 2 reasons
Jan 18th 2013
10
      agree completely w/ #2, but I think larger sample size = solution there
Jan 18th 2013
11
      lol wut
Jan 18th 2013
15
      I'd assume you, of all people, would know how Science works...
Jan 18th 2013
17
           LOL
Jan 18th 2013
19
                or maybe I'm just comfortable enough in my intellect to use it correct?
Jan 18th 2013
20
                     advanced stats aren't proofs of shit and don't have to be theory driven
Jan 18th 2013
22
                          Andray Blatche is 9th in PER -- does this mean he's 9th most efficient?
Jan 18th 2013
24
      not sure 5 man rotations really reach the sample size u need
Jan 18th 2013
18
           I mean, if I was a team I'd ask coach to use a rotation I could analyze
Jan 18th 2013
21
               
                     I'm just asking questions to form discussion, no more serious than that
Jan 18th 2013
25
      everyone plays the same teams
Jan 18th 2013
14
           but not everyone plays the same lineups
Jan 18th 2013
16
LOL
Jan 18th 2013
13
no, it means something over time and it means something for units
Jan 18th 2013
32
      That's the the thing, most NBA teams don't play set units for an...
Jan 18th 2013
33
advanced metrics:OKS::okayscience:GD
Jan 18th 2013
26
^^^Won't acknowledge that vaccinations are the REAL WMDs
Jan 18th 2013
28
we can't really match gd on either extreme
Jan 18th 2013
29
All it really says is that you play in offensive situations for a good t...
Jan 18th 2013
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