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10. "I say no episodic episodes. "
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>- Open the season with some episodic episodes. Give us a
>sense of the area, the side characters, etc.

There’s been a ton of this from what I’ve seen. I can’t think of a single side character that needed more screen time. Further, I think the call for short eps and shorter seasons makes these even more problematic.

I see zero benefit in devoting more time to guys like zip or that dude Luke put in the dumpster.

I think you could
>do one half of the season episodic and then those episodes
>bring you to the arc.

What about this makes the show better or tells the story 90% of us actually care about more effectively?

>Let's see more of the lives of the villains besides their evil
>plots.

We saw an awful lot of that in each of these shows thus far. The villains and their lives have gotten a ton of screen time telling their back story and those stories have been told at least as well as the heroes in each outing.

I’m not sure what’s lacking there.


>Let's see
>more of the henchmen to get a better feel of them.

For what? Particularly given that you want shorter eps and shorter seasons. In a 16 ep season of 52 minute eps, knock yourself out, but when you’re calling for 42 minute eps and think 13 eps is too much it’s unfathomable to devote a greater percentage of less screen time to throwaway characters.

Cage has four central villains: Cottonmouth, Shads, Mariah, and Diamondback and they each got a significant amount of time. We don’t need zip getting more time in a smaller window when there’s plenty to work with there, particularly when you add at least two crooked cops and one cop who is on the fence for a fair portion and is still a protagonist to our hero despite being a hero herself.

There’s just no good reason to devote more screen time to Henchman 1 and 2, particularly when you’re calling for less screen time overall.
>- Saner, smarter villains. I hated Fisk and Diamondback. The
>bad guys can be crazy ala Heath Ledger's Joker but they have
>to be competent.

Each his own i guess. Fisk was excellent. Diamondback was fine, i’m not excited for him but I’m not terribly bothered by him. He could definitely be improved but Fisk? Fisk was on point. You can always improve but he doesn’t particularly need anything more.

>And get a smart henchman or two. I feel like they're just
>there to do something stupid and get themselves
>discovered/killed by the main bad guy. They're never a real
>threat.

Nor should they be. That’s why secondary villains like Shades are there and helps Mariah rise through the ranks. We have Mariah playing two sides of the fence all through the show.

>- Lighten up. By jumping into the serialized stories right
>away, the shows are HEAVY. It's weird how Marvel TV is more
>like DC films while DC TV has more humor like Marvel movies.
>(To be fair, SHIELD made hamfisted attempts at humor that
>usually fell flat.)

Two different formats and it makes perfect sense to establish a different identity for each.

This just further proves the point that some people really do just want all their comic book shows and movies to ape the MCU blueprint and add a joke every two minutes. Serialized dramas are huge hits over and over and over again, so I don’t see an issue with keeping that formula for these. The MCU has plenty of gut busting, side splitting wisecracks to keep people properly sedated. This format doesn’t really need more of the MCU temperament, particularly with the characters they’ve chosen for these shows.

>Also, make it so people are one upping one another and not:
>Evil guy fall into trap, good guys don't have the evidence or
>ability to hold the bad guy, bad guys spin that into making it
>seem like good guys are bad, Run, good guys, run!

Well this I can agree with.


>- Get out of NYC. People will probably hate this but I don't
>see any reason why Luke Cage could have taken place in the
>South. Have him walk into Harlem at the end of Season 1.

Well, again, that’s just not the story being told and NYC is absolutely central to these characters. Sure, this season could have taken place in the south, but for what? But NY is central to the story being told and central to all the characters chosen for these shows.

  

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How to improve the Marvel/Netflix series [View all] , bwood, Mon Oct-03-16 04:13 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Team up seasons
Oct 03rd 2016
1
I was thinking Heroes for Hire
Oct 03rd 2016
2
The only good idea presented thus far
Oct 04th 2016
8
Seems like we were proved right.
Jul 02nd 2018
42
More episodic episodes.
Oct 03rd 2016
3
I agree with most of this.
Oct 03rd 2016
4
Yeah. You see no need because they need better side characters
Oct 04th 2016
12
      LMAO. Who shit in your cornflakes today?
Oct 04th 2016
13
           Critique is welcome.
Oct 04th 2016
17
                LIAR! LYING ASS LIAR! Nope. No sir, liar.
Oct 04th 2016
20
                     Reading comprehension fails you
Oct 04th 2016
21
                          TL;DNR, Liar. Unless you start with " i promise not to be a liar&qu...
Oct 04th 2016
22
                               ^^^ Cold Trump
Oct 05th 2016
25
                                    Yawn, a cheap, generic political reference that doesn't fit?
Oct 05th 2016
26
"Get out of NYC"?
Oct 04th 2016
11
      Yeah. It kind of irks me when it comes to the films/TV
Oct 04th 2016
18
      RE: "Get out of NYC"?
Oct 05th 2016
24
           they're never leaving NYC
Oct 05th 2016
27
1) Shorter season or shorter episodes.
Oct 03rd 2016
5
Both
Oct 04th 2016
6
...but that's Luke Cage.
Oct 04th 2016
7
      He can be socially conscious and not be Mandela.
Oct 04th 2016
14
           That's a fair counter, though I dont see his "mandela" as bein...
Oct 04th 2016
15
Shorter 8-10 episode seasons would solve 90% of their problems.
Oct 04th 2016
9
Yeah, I agree with just about all of this
Oct 05th 2016
28
shorter seasons, less romantic conficts
Oct 04th 2016
16
Stop making so damn many shows
Oct 04th 2016
19
RE: Stop making so damn many shows
Feb 18th 2019
48
i think Defenders will change the game
Oct 05th 2016
23
I agree and I think it's going that way already...
Oct 06th 2016
29
Luke Cage And The 13-Episode Slump *link*
Oct 06th 2016
30
So the writer wants villains dispatched quicker?
Oct 06th 2016
31
better writing.
Oct 25th 2016
32
They mos def need to roll Luke Cage and Iron Fist into one show
Mar 17th 2017
33
You'd rather "H4H" than "The Defenders"?
Mar 21st 2017
35
      Why would it be eitherr/or?
Mar 21st 2017
36
           Exactly. Nigga acting like we gotta pick and choose
Mar 21st 2017
37
                I meant no snark, guys. Jesus...lighten up.
Mar 21st 2017
38
i haven't read the thread, just the initial post...
Mar 18th 2017
34
^^^^^^^Yep. All of this.^^^^^^^
Mar 21st 2017
39
This sounds good, in theory.
Jul 22nd 2017
41
So according to Jeph Loeb, there will be minimal crossover
Jul 22nd 2017
40
This was my dead horse that I’m tired of beating.
Jul 02nd 2018
43
RE: How to improve the Marvel/Netflix series
Jul 05th 2018
44
i'm probs in the minority about the shorter seasons
Jul 05th 2018
45
yes, Infinity War explained a lot
Jul 05th 2018
46
RIP Marvel/Netflix. You started strong and then fizzled out.
Feb 18th 2019
47
Losing The Punisher is the biggest tragedy of all these shows
Feb 19th 2019
49
Punisher is the one I'd thought they'd keep.
Feb 19th 2019
50
Just finished Punisher S2
Feb 23rd 2019
51
Maybe they now collaborate with Dark Horse or Image comics
Feb 25th 2019
52

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