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Joe Corn Mo
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Wed Feb-25-15 11:28 AM

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"help me navigate bebop. "


  

          

I went back and started listening to bebop,
and I couldn't tell if I liked it or was fooling myself
into liking it.

I mean, it was cool hearing the runs and the off
kilter rhythm sections, but... and I know this
must have been obvious to everyone but me...

Jazz doesn't resolve.

Pop is the opposite of that.
Pop songs are geared towards reslolving.
Good pop doesn't reslove exactly how you'd expect it to...
but your ear can subconsciously predict where it goes.

All this time I thought folks listening to charlie parker
had a jazz ear that could predict his choices and
sense where he was going with his solos.

And maybe they can to a degree.

But the appeal of bebob to me s least is that you CAN'T
predict the solos, and it doesn't resolve, yet something makes you listen. It can't be all peer pressure.
Charlie parker solos make me want to listen to them.

But I still couldn't identify a wrong note.
Not even if you put a gun to my head.
Maybe that's the point. Maybe there ain't no wrong notes, not really.


Which brings me to miles in the 70s.

These songs resolve even less. You can't play it on piano.
You certainly can't hum it. (Or at least I can't.)

And I can see how some would say that's a cop out...
But what makes it any less indecipherable than bebop?
There's just SOMETHING there. the challenge is to find what that something is.

When ppl say miles sold out, I think that's unfair.
He wanted to be modern.

George clinton said once that your music has to hit the frequencies kids listen to. You can play how you want, but if uou don't put your work in the context of sounds that somewhat resemble what kids like, ppl won't dig it.

So if miles didn't want to stay still... he HAD to
addresss the fact that rock sounds were a thing. He also had to address funk.

So his 70s albums have traces of those sounds, even though it it could be confused for rock or funk.

I mean, I still can't tell if he's ever playing a wrong note...but it's intriguing music.

Even an album like tutu gets me.
It's taking sounds from the 80s,
and playing his trumpet in that context.


Is it good?

Maybe nobody will ever know for sure. I'm starting to think it doesn't matter.


  

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help me navigate bebop. [View all] , Joe Corn Mo, Wed Feb-25-15 11:28 AM
 
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Feb 25th 2015
1
Maybe Duke Ellington said it best...
Feb 25th 2015
2
lol I prefer Sun-Ra to Miles as well, same kind of reason, yet I
Feb 27th 2015
15
What do you mean "doesn't resolve?"
Feb 26th 2015
3
i mean the part your ear is waiting to get to.
Feb 26th 2015
4
      Generally more useful to think in terms of types of resolution.
Feb 26th 2015
5
           that's really helpful.
Feb 26th 2015
6
                That said, I can't hum a Bird solo either.
Feb 26th 2015
7
                     nah, Hard Bop was more ''populist''...
Feb 26th 2015
8
                          That's true. Couldn't be any less, surely.
Feb 26th 2015
9
Charlie Parker's Music...
Feb 26th 2015
10
keep struggling at how to approach this so i'm just gon ramble
Feb 26th 2015
11
bebop has a rep as all brain and not danceable but
Feb 27th 2015
12
^^ edited above post to address the topic of navigating it early on
Feb 27th 2015
13
I'd say Dizzy was more ''out'' than Charlie tonally...
Feb 27th 2015
17
      No, I completely agree
Feb 27th 2015
18
I COMPLETELY agree with that George Clinton perspective btw
Feb 27th 2015
14
I think I'll make a mix of what I think might be accessible bop.
Feb 27th 2015
16

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