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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-rejects-bid-robin-thicke-745106

A California judge rules that Marvin Gaye's family has made a sufficient showing that elements of "Blurred Lines" may be substantially similar to "Got to Give It Up"

Rob Thicke Blurred Lines Album Art - S 2013
In a ruling that could set up one of the biggest trials ever over alleged song theft, U.S. District Judge John Kronstadt on Thursday denied Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke's motion for summary judgment in a lawsuit that explores the origins of the blockbuster hit, "Blurred Lines."

The two musicians filed a lawsuit in September 2013 after receiving threats from Marvin Gaye's family, who contend the song is a knock-off of "Got to Give It Up." The lawsuit sought declaratory relief that "Blurred Lines" was non-infringing, painting the defendant as attempting to claim ownership of an entire genre. That led to a countersuit where the Gaye camp asserted that the song was indeed infringing, that Thicke had a "Marvin Gaye fixation," and that he had also stolen a second song, "Love After War" from Gaye's "After the Dance."

Both sides trotted out musicologists and mash-up s, debated the nuances of copyright law and even addressed Thicke's wild deposition comments admitting drug abuse and lying to the media.

The end result is Judge Kronstadt's conclusion that the case shouldn't end now.

The Gaye family, he writes, "have made a sufficient showing that elements of 'Blurred Lines' may be substantially similar to protected, original elements of 'Got to Give It Up.' Defendants have identified these with particularity for purposes of analytic dissection."

Specifically, the judge points to genuine issues of material fact existing as to the substantial similarity of signature phrases, hooks, bass lines, keyboard chords, harmonic structures and vocal melodies of the two songs. The judge also writes that the Gaye family has offered sufficient evidence to create triable issues about whether their 11-note
signature phrase, four-note hook, four-bar bass line, 16-bar harmonic structure and four-note vocal melody are protectable expressions.

The judge also refuses to allow Williams and Thicke to win at this juncture on claims tied to "Love After War."

The ruling isn't a complete loss for the singer and his producer.

There was much controversy between the two sides as to whether Gaye's copyrights are limited to sheet music compositions or whether they extend to features heard on the "Got to Give It Up" sound recording. For the purposes of the analysis, the judge looks to the 1909 Copyright Act, which would have given the Gaye family the right to include more than just the sheet music if the work was published with proper notices or part of necessary deposits at the Copyright Office. The judge concludes that the Gaye family hasn't sufficiently shown it did either, and thus, they "have failed to produce evidence that creates a genuine issue as to whether the copyrights in 'Got to Give It Up' and 'After the Dance' encompass material other than that reflected in the lead sheets deposited with the Copyright Office."

As a result, the analysis of whether Thicke's "Blurred Lines" is substantially similar to Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" won't examine such things as the congruence of percussive choices or backup vocals, though there may or may not be some trial attention on such features in the intrinsic analysis (the judgment of an ordinary person). That issue seems likely to come up again given the reactions by the lawyers provided below.

Judge Kronstadt also addresses Thicke's deposition comments, where he admitted that he had lied to the media about going into the studio with Marvin Gaye in mind and that in fact he didn't have much to do with the creation of "Blurred Lines." This came up because copyright law has a concept called the "inverse-ratio rule" where lots of access to a song necessitates less proof of similarity. The judge writes that "Thicke’s inconsistent statements do not constitute direct evidence of copying," though that hardly helps him today because Marvin Gaye is nearly universally known and Williams and Thicke "concede access," basically meaning they've at least heard Gaye's 1977 hit.

A trial is currently scheduled for February 10, 2015.

Howard King, attorney for the plaintiffs, had this comment about the ruling:

"The ruling is not surprising given the extraordinary difficulty in prevailing at the summary judgment stage, especially where each side offers conflicting opinions from multiple musicologists. Although our musicologist, Sandy Wilbur, correctly testified that there are no two consecutive notes in the two songs that have the same pitch, the same duration, and the same placement in the measure, the Judge concluded that sufficient disagreement about other elements of the compositions warranted denial of the motion. We are gratified that the ruling significantly limits the issues going forward by finding that the Gaye’s cannot assert any infringement claim for elements not included in the sheet music deposited with the copyright office, which effectively eliminates 5 of their 8 claimed similarities. The jury will now decide this case on the merits, limited to what is in the written composition, without being influenced by the sound recordings. Since the compositions at issue are completely different, we remain confident of prevailing at trial."

Richard Busch, attorney for the defendants, had this to say:
"We believe the evidence of copying of Marvin Gaye's legendary work Got To Give It Up is overwhelming and now look forward to trying the case. We also disagree with Mr. King's assessment that the Court ruled that there will be any limitation on what the jury considers at the trial, which involves a different analysis than what the Court analyzes on a motion for summary judgment."

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god don't like ugly (marvin gaye vs robbing thicke & pharrell) [View all] , fire, Fri Oct-31-14 02:47 PM
 
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I hope the Gayes lose.
Oct 30th 2014
1
Me too.
Oct 30th 2014
2
I hope producers and artists get more original...n/m
Oct 30th 2014
3
I hope you realize how ridiculous this sounds.
Oct 31st 2014
5
I hope you realize how riddiculous it sounds to have a
Oct 31st 2014
8
      I hope you realize that if they actually end up...
Oct 31st 2014
12
           or like if my favorite producer makes a beat that
Oct 31st 2014
14
                Yep. So fucking frivolous and obnoxious.
Oct 31st 2014
17
A grip of your favorites would be affected by this.
Oct 31st 2014
7
      I view the Thicke song and the Marvin Gaye song to be
Oct 31st 2014
10
      i bet you do.
Oct 31st 2014
11
           they went ON record IN print SEVERAL times
Oct 31st 2014
15
                they didn't use any copyrighted material
Oct 31st 2014
16
                RE: they didn't use any copyrighted material
Oct 31st 2014
19
                I think with the way the music is made today....
Nov 01st 2014
22
                There's 3 billion artists....
Oct 31st 2014
18
                     no man
Oct 31st 2014
21
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly.
Oct 31st 2014
13
This means nothing.
Oct 31st 2014
4
      Going to court doesn't exactly mean "nothing"
Oct 31st 2014
6
           they got nothing and will most likely lose.
Oct 31st 2014
9
           RE: Going to court doesn't exactly mean "nothing"
Oct 31st 2014
20

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