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36. "You're preaching to deaf ears..."
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>But see I have a problem with this line of reasoning.
>
>1. I don't think anyone is saying you NEED "all the equipment"
>but you do need SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT like a compressor and/or EQ
>of some sort.
>
>2. Even if people are dumping tracks "Straight from the MPC"
>there is some sort of dynamic processing happening. Whether
>the sample itself has been compressed/limited/mastered or if
>you do it while programming the tracks.

Don't go speaking the truth. They may censor you for it.

>The KEY is learning what it is you're going after and how to
>achieve it with the tools in your arsenal.
>
>The whole "Tracked from the MPC" is a gross oversimplification
>and as such misses the whole point of becoming better at your
>craft.

Been preaching this for YEARS, but, cats still want to hold onto that "mystique" that most of their favorite producers carry, so they'd rather ignore the obvious and go with that.

Another thing is that, FOLKS CAN SAY ANYTHING! That don't make it truth. Shit, I would too. HELL YEAH I'd tell folks that I made a beat just from tape splicing if I knew it was gonna make me look like a genius AND discourage them from trying to enter the game. Now, that's NOT to say that it's impossible for those beats to have been recorded straight from the MPC, but, only a few people can ACTUALLY know the truth.

So, it's better to find what tools works for "you" and don't worry about trying to emulate someone else's process.

But, many times, cats don't REALLY want the truth. They want to hear what they want to hear.

>It's been stated repeatedly that Dilla got a pre-mix working
>in the MPC and would then use other processing to finalize the
>mix. That isn't that much of a different workflow than any
>working producer/engineer. The difference lies in the EAR of
>the producer/engineer. You have to have an idea of what you
>WANT to hear and then go about learning how to acieve that
>sound and that is a craft not some inherent God given trait.

Amen.

>Heck most bedroom producers I know don't even understand what
>compression is let alone when to use it to it's best effect
>but EVERY professional(being paid to do this)
>producer/engineer does and they use those tools as a part of
>the process. Is it possible to compress or EQ in a sequencer
>that has that stuff? Sure, but EQ and Compression aren't some
>esoteric unattainable Holy Grail of recording where only those
>rocking 1176's and Neves can achieve it. And the counter is
>NOBODY programs a beat and leaves it at that. (not anyone
>moving units on a Dilla level that is).

Or at least INTENDING to move units...

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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Can anyone drop some science? After Dilla made the beat on the MPC... [View all] , judono, Wed Mar-19-14 02:00 PM
 
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RE: Can anyone drop some science? After Dilla made the beat on the MPC.....
Mar 19th 2014
1
Pretty sure analog mixer into an ADAT
Mar 19th 2014
2
RE: Pretty sure analog mixer into an ADAT
Mar 19th 2014
3
      RE: Pretty sure analog mixer into an ADAT
Mar 19th 2014
4
           RE: Pretty sure analog mixer into an ADAT
Mar 19th 2014
7
It wasnt just Dilla. From like 96 to 02 sound. That EQ /compression is ...
Mar 19th 2014
5
the secret was taking your tracks to studios with engineers n/m
Mar 19th 2014
6
EXACTLY!!!
Mar 19th 2014
12
      This is not just bad advice, but pure bullshit
Mar 20th 2014
18
      Might be bad advice to you, but not for all.
Mar 20th 2014
32
           RE: Might be bad advice to you, but not for all.
Mar 20th 2014
38
           I don't actually load any samples in them...
Mar 20th 2014
41
           don't do it nigga
Mar 21st 2014
44
                Do as I DAMN please.
Mar 21st 2014
45
      of course Dilla had engineers on the Commercial Beat Placements
Mar 20th 2014
23
           RE: of course Dilla had engineers on the Commercial Beat Placements
Mar 20th 2014
31
           EXACTLY what I was trying to say.
Mar 20th 2014
34
           Do as you please!
Mar 20th 2014
33
RE: It wasnt just Dilla. From like 96 to 02 sound. That EQ /compression...
Mar 19th 2014
8
45King's Set Was Simple But Ahead Of His Time
Mar 20th 2014
28
RE: Can anyone drop some science? After Dilla made the beat on the MPC.....
Mar 19th 2014
9
not currently on the MPC, but have rocked the 2000xl, 1000 & 2500
Mar 20th 2014
21
RE: this thread on gearslutz has some jewels in it
Mar 19th 2014
10
RE: the compressor he used on his drums
Mar 19th 2014
11
RE: the compressor he used on his drums
Mar 19th 2014
14
thx for posting. gonna check this out later this evening
Mar 20th 2014
20
it was dillas ears man...
Mar 19th 2014
13
RE: it was dillas ears man...
Mar 20th 2014
17
in other words
Mar 20th 2014
35
you're getting it twisted. i just used Dilla as one example. the ? was
Mar 20th 2014
25
Starting around 2001/2002, Dilla had a do-it-all ability for mixing
Mar 19th 2014
15
Those 2002 Batches were a revelation.
Mar 20th 2014
22
a lot goes into it
Mar 20th 2014
16
even if you sample your kicks in loud, and mess with the filter,
Mar 20th 2014
19
      There's more to shaping a drum sound than loud sampling and a filter
Mar 20th 2014
24
      If you don't mind me asking...
Mar 20th 2014
37
QUESTLOVE, if you have any tips... you been in this since the early 90's
Mar 20th 2014
26
Archival 15 (link)
Mar 20th 2014
39
Here's the gear
Mar 20th 2014
27
I've Been Trying To Make My Drums Hit Hard For Years...
Mar 20th 2014
29
RE: I've Been Trying To Make My Drums Hit Hard For Years...
Mar 20th 2014
30
     
Unrelated bonus ish
Mar 20th 2014
40
RE: the thing i'm most interested in
Mar 20th 2014
42
ACP88..but its kinda overrated.
Mar 21st 2014
43
Start with what you're sampling first
Mar 27th 2014
46
RE: Start with what you're sampling first
Mar 28th 2014
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