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19. "Perfect Breakdown"
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>He's moreso Folk music to me, and since not a lot of Black
>people are classified that way, he gets overlooked. Consider
>even his biggest hit and the folksy, brotherly love subject
>matter. A lot of his earlier music did have the R&B aesthetic
>of the time (likely owing to the musicians brought in to work
>on a Black man's album), but songs like Lean On Me and
>Grandma's Hands aren't imo. It's like in the 50's when
>anything sang by a Black person was classified as "R&B" even
>when it was straight up pop ("You Send Me" by Sam Cooke, for
>instance). You classified him with Al Green and Marvin Gaye,
>and it's pretty clear why he isn't classified with them.
>Mainly, they're vocalists... soulful vocalists. Withers
>isn't. His delivery is mad folksy. Al and Marvin amazed
>with that particular aesthetic. Bill didn't with any. He
>wasn't an amazing musician (he actually only started playing
>guitar right before he wrote his first song), he didn't wow
>you with vocal ability. But he wrote songs that could touch
>your heart and that you could relate to. Questo said it
>best:
>“He’s the last African-American Everyman,” says
>Questlove. “Jordan’s vertical jump has to be higher than
>everyone. Michael Jackson has to defy gravity. On the other
>side of the coin, we’re often viewed as primitive animals.
>We rarely land in the middle. Bill Withers is the closest
>thing black people have to a Bruce Springsteen.”
>
>Executive Clarence Avant said Withers' songs were unbelievable
>and **"you had to listen to the lyrics"** Avant said. That's
>another thing that makes him folksy. He's like Bob Dylan,
>but he's a Black male so he ain't elevated to God status in a
>white supremacist society where white people have pretty much
>claimed folk music... plus he didn't stick around as long
>(which is also owed to racist industry politics). I know most
>of yall are non-Black on here at this point, but Black folks
>understand what songs and lyrics of his speak directly to us
>and just how genius a lot of them were. He should be up
>there with Dylan, but.. racism changes things *shrugs*
>
>
>

Great job with this. Pretty much on point with everything you said.

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Is Bill Withers Underrated? [View all] , Anonymous, Thu Jul-26-18 05:42 PM
 
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yep...
Jul 26th 2018
1
I guess the response to this post answers my question
Jul 27th 2018
2
Big Time
Jul 27th 2018
3
I'm not enough of a Classic Soul person to say either way
Jul 27th 2018
4
From Slug to Bill Withers at least you're trying.
Jul 27th 2018
5
I don’t like Slug but... at least you're trying.
Jul 27th 2018
6
      Uh huh
Jul 28th 2018
7
He was a wife beater and that derailed his career.
Jul 28th 2018
8
Interesting theory but when has that ever derailed a musicians career?
Jul 28th 2018
9
That narrative isn't true.
Jul 28th 2018
10
I think classifying his as "soul" is part of the reason why
Jul 28th 2018
11
Appreciate the knowledge
Jul 29th 2018
17
Yeah.
Jul 28th 2018
12
unbelievably underrated
Jul 28th 2018
13
yes. I'd recommend his documentary too.
Jul 29th 2018
14
yep
Jul 29th 2018
15
Who redid that vocal out on Let Me In Your Life?
Jul 29th 2018
16
The Can't Tell Me Nothing Mixtape
Jul 30th 2018
20
if He was White He would be way more appreciated than Bob Dylan
Jul 30th 2018
18
Personally I Never Cared For Bill Withers
Jul 30th 2018
21

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