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33. "I'm with you on this one."
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>To reiterate: musically, Simon (whether w/S&G or solo) never
>really sounds like Dylan at all, and his lyrical style is
>substantially different from anything Dylan aimed for. They do
>both emerge out of similar contexts and the broader nascent
>counterculture of the early ‘60s, but I think they touched
>on different strains of that culture, they emphasized
>different parts of it, which is in turn reflected in the
>music. It’s worth noting, too, that Simon has several
>decades of post-S&G records but that you’re reducing him to
>a hack job based on his first handful of LPs, records that (in
>retrospect) could be likened to Dylan’s first few records:
>trying to find a voice, a style, that accomplished what he
>wanted to accomplish. After PSRT, their musical and lyrical
>differences are telling enough that it would be impossible to
>confuse the two, and they continue to diverge pretty starkly,
>both musically and lyrically. Pre-Bookends, you *might*
>confuse an S&G lyric or two with Dylan. Post Bookends, it
>ain't gonna happen.

I actually love both Dylan and Simon but I don't think Simon is nearly the Dylan jacker that Austin painted him as. I don't see S&G *sounding* like Dylan at all musically, and like you said, they're very different types of lyricists. Even at fairly early stages in their careers, the direct, earnest lyrics on PSRT - think The Dangling Conversation - are nothing like the sprawling surrealism of Blonde on Blonde from the same year.

Someone would probably have an easier time convincing me that Lennon was biting Dylan on songs like You've Got to Hide Your Love Away and Norwegian Wood than they would that Simon was biting him on Homeward Bound.

Also if we're going to give Dylan credit for relatively traditional fingerpicking guitar style on Bleeker Street (a great song, btw, imo) then we might as well give him credit for coming up with the G chord. (Simon is a much better guitar player than Dylan, btw.)

Overall, FWIW, I'd still rank Dylan higher overall because of the blinding brilliance of his 60s and first-half-of-the-70s period(s).

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Dylan vs Simon [View all] , philpot, Wed Jun-15-16 02:24 PM
 
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loving the new Simon tunes
Jun 15th 2016
1
RE: Paul Simon was a fake Bob Dylan.
Jun 15th 2016
2
elaborate?
Jun 15th 2016
3
      I'll elaborate for him...
Jun 16th 2016
11
      whatever
Jun 16th 2016
12
           It's coming from
Jun 16th 2016
13
                RE: I probably should not even respond to this, but. . .
Jun 17th 2016
18
                     Do a search for your posts my man...
Jun 17th 2016
19
                          RE: Which would prove me accurate in my assessment.
Jun 17th 2016
21
                               You realize your post above is in direct conflict with your self-assessm...
Jun 17th 2016
22
                                    RE: You're either desperate to make me look bad or stupid.
Jun 18th 2016
23
                                         For real...
Jun 18th 2016
26
      RE: He was an imitator from the very beginning.
Jun 17th 2016
14
           i'll come back for a thorough response, but...
Jun 17th 2016
16
           RE: If that's the case. . .
Jun 17th 2016
17
                RE: If that's the case. . .
Jun 20th 2016
31
           RE: He was an imitator from the very beginning.
Jun 20th 2016
30
               
                RE: I think the big thing here we disagree on is Bob's influence.
Jun 20th 2016
37
                     RE: I think the big thing here we disagree on is Bob's influence.
Jun 20th 2016
38
                          RE: This is where my thought process lies:
Jun 20th 2016
42
Paul Simon, duh.
Jun 16th 2016
4
right?
Jun 16th 2016
6
Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. He spit hot fire.
Jun 16th 2016
5
lol
Jun 18th 2016
24
how does James Taylor stack up?
Jun 16th 2016
7
i don't really see him in the conversation
Jun 16th 2016
9
I prefer Leonard Cohen to both
Jun 16th 2016
8
given that you can't understand Dylan's words
Jun 16th 2016
10
RE: That's not a "given" at all.
Jun 17th 2016
15
I think this is demonstrably false.
Jun 20th 2016
32
I'm a Paul Simon fan, but it's Dylan pretty easily
Jun 17th 2016
20
The "just about" has me curious...
Jun 18th 2016
25
      Dylan. He spits hot fiyah.
Jun 20th 2016
39
Dylan's lyrical edge on Simon's less than Simon's musical edge on Dylan
Jun 18th 2016
27
52?
Jun 18th 2016
28
It's just a number to illustrate my concept.
Jun 20th 2016
34
64?
Jun 20th 2016
35
You roll a 5D20 to come up with those numbers?
Jun 19th 2016
29
      I feel kinda dumb asking you what that means
Jun 20th 2016
36
           5 Divided by 20
Jun 20th 2016
40
           Lol
Jun 21st 2016
43
           D&D, 5 twenty sided dice.
Jun 20th 2016
41
                Oh ok ...lol that's funny
Jun 21st 2016
44
simon himself would tell you dylan n/m
Jun 21st 2016
45
Paul Simon got more Money tracks
Jul 03rd 2016
46

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