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14. "RE: He was an imitator from the very beginning."
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Fri Jun-17-16 12:04 AM by Austin

  

          

But, just overall, Paul Simon was always way more on the pop side of the spectrum. Bob Dylan was more of a rocker. But make no mistakes, Paul Simon wanted to be taken as seriously as Bob Dylan.

Just looking at Simon and Garfunkel's first album (Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M. from 1964), they do a Dylan composition ('The Times They Are A-Changin'). In addition, on the original tunes, there's a very New York City-centric, post-Dylan awareness in tunes like 'Bleecker Street' (Paul's guitar playing on this tune is very Dylan-inspired as well), 'He Was My Brother' (speaking on civil rights) and especially on the original version of 'The Sounds of Silence' (a narrative of the modern day world as a strange, alien place — though Bob did this sort of thing in a more jokey way).

The second album (Sounds of Silence) fully integrates electric instruments, after Bob's cue. But the third album (Parsley, Sage Rosemary and Thyme) really goes full on Dylan-aping, with 'Homeward Bound' (the autobiographic life of a folk singer) and 'A Simple Desultory Philippic (Or How I Was Robert McNamera'd Into Submission)' (a total rip off of 'Subterranean Homesick Blues').

After that, the blatant-ness of it dies out, as Paul went the full-on pop route and Bob got in a motorcycle accident and had a borderline nervous breakdown. Though it is telling that, in the middle of Bob's issues, he covered 'The Boxer' and put it on Self Portrait (1970), in a move where we can only guess at all the different kinds of implications: Bob perhaps taking the piss (he covered Gordon Lightfoot, another Dylan-aping soft rocker, on Self Portrait, as well); it has long been speculated that Self Portrait was an aware "self-sabotage," Bob padding it out with tunes he knew his audience would actively dislike; Bob just playing to the charts, trying to score a hit with a cover of a tune that was recently on the charts, in an admittedly cynical move after so many other people had had chart success with his songs.

Later in the 70's, I do find it kind of curious that as soon as Bob goes in and makes a slicker-sounding, post-breakup album (Blood on the Tracks), Paul does the same thing later in the year (Still Crazy After All These Years). Old habits die hard, I guess.



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Dylan vs Simon [View all] , philpot, Wed Jun-15-16 02:24 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
loving the new Simon tunes
Jun 15th 2016
1
RE: Paul Simon was a fake Bob Dylan.
Jun 15th 2016
2
elaborate?
Jun 15th 2016
3
      I'll elaborate for him...
Jun 16th 2016
11
      whatever
Jun 16th 2016
12
           It's coming from
Jun 16th 2016
13
                RE: I probably should not even respond to this, but. . .
Jun 17th 2016
18
                     Do a search for your posts my man...
Jun 17th 2016
19
                          RE: Which would prove me accurate in my assessment.
Jun 17th 2016
21
                               You realize your post above is in direct conflict with your self-assessm...
Jun 17th 2016
22
                                    RE: You're either desperate to make me look bad or stupid.
Jun 18th 2016
23
                                         For real...
Jun 18th 2016
26
     
           i'll come back for a thorough response, but...
Jun 17th 2016
16
           RE: If that's the case. . .
Jun 17th 2016
17
                RE: If that's the case. . .
Jun 20th 2016
31
           RE: He was an imitator from the very beginning.
Jun 20th 2016
30
                I'm with you on this one.
Jun 20th 2016
33
                RE: I think the big thing here we disagree on is Bob's influence.
Jun 20th 2016
37
                     RE: I think the big thing here we disagree on is Bob's influence.
Jun 20th 2016
38
                          RE: This is where my thought process lies:
Jun 20th 2016
42
Paul Simon, duh.
Jun 16th 2016
4
right?
Jun 16th 2016
6
Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. He spit hot fire.
Jun 16th 2016
5
lol
Jun 18th 2016
24
how does James Taylor stack up?
Jun 16th 2016
7
i don't really see him in the conversation
Jun 16th 2016
9
I prefer Leonard Cohen to both
Jun 16th 2016
8
given that you can't understand Dylan's words
Jun 16th 2016
10
RE: That's not a "given" at all.
Jun 17th 2016
15
I think this is demonstrably false.
Jun 20th 2016
32
I'm a Paul Simon fan, but it's Dylan pretty easily
Jun 17th 2016
20
The "just about" has me curious...
Jun 18th 2016
25
      Dylan. He spits hot fiyah.
Jun 20th 2016
39
Dylan's lyrical edge on Simon's less than Simon's musical edge on Dylan
Jun 18th 2016
27
52?
Jun 18th 2016
28
It's just a number to illustrate my concept.
Jun 20th 2016
34
64?
Jun 20th 2016
35
You roll a 5D20 to come up with those numbers?
Jun 19th 2016
29
      I feel kinda dumb asking you what that means
Jun 20th 2016
36
           5 Divided by 20
Jun 20th 2016
40
           Lol
Jun 21st 2016
43
           D&D, 5 twenty sided dice.
Jun 20th 2016
41
                Oh ok ...lol that's funny
Jun 21st 2016
44
simon himself would tell you dylan n/m
Jun 21st 2016
45
Paul Simon got more Money tracks
Jul 03rd 2016
46

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