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Subject: "So you are talking about people no older than 14???"
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Jakob Hellberg
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Sat Jun-21-14 09:37 PM
83. "So you are talking about people no older than 14???"
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Yeah, those kids are jamming John Cage, no doubt!!!
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there is no jazz? (AFKAP, lonesome_d... please help).
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Mon Jun-16-14 02:19 PM
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I'm not those guys but...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 13th 2014
1
thanks for this. EDIT
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
10
Maceo and those guys played a lot of solos actually...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 13th 2014
12
In other words, if King Curtis style soloing had survived into the hard ...
lonesome_d
Jun 13th 2014
18
Have you ever heard a James Brown record? lol
bski
Jun 13th 2014
19
my bad.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
20
do you mean something like this?
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
28
I know those and they are dope but...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 15th 2014
46
yeah, I hear you
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
49
Yeah,.. Honky tonk definitely delivers...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 15th 2014
51
Improvisation is the basis of jazz.
Buck
Jun 13th 2014
2
RE: Improvisation is the basis of jazz.
mashibeats
Jun 13th 2014
3
as a die hard pop fan, this is pretty offensive.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
6
yeah, i didnt mean to be offensive with that
mashibeats
Jun 13th 2014
14
Eh...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 13th 2014
7
Big Band jazz was heavily composed...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 13th 2014
4
what about the big band stuff?
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
5
RE: what about the big band stuff?
Buck
Jun 13th 2014
8
i see what you're getting at now.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
9
To extend the thought, it's worth thinking about the...
Buck
Jun 13th 2014
11
"if you don't have a hook, you don't have a song."
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
13
Pop is really about melodic phrases that works in repetition...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 13th 2014
16
well, there goes that theory.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 13th 2014
17
OOps, I just saw you wrote ''hooks''...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
79
likewise the mizell brothers sessions
mashibeats
Jun 13th 2014
15
I wouldn't say it's the 'basis'
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
29
maybe I'm splitting hairs a little bit.
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
30
glad you updated that
imcvspl
Jun 15th 2014
31
Melodic invention is but one way to improvise.
Buck
Jun 15th 2014
34
Yeah, but even that was pre-written in the early days of jazz faking.
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
35
I don't understand what you mean by "faking."
Buck
Jun 15th 2014
36
'faking' was what they originally called 'improvisation'
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
37
to clarify, faking meaning pretending
imcvspl
Jun 15th 2014
38
Not really what I asked.
Buck
Jun 15th 2014
40
and all this time, i thought i was faking the funk.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 15th 2014
41
Sounds to me like you just need practice
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
42
Eh part 2
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 15th 2014
47
Short response since I'm on my phone, but...
lonesome_d
Jun 13th 2014
21
Is the AFKAP request because he doesn't pull punches on AfAm music?
imcvspl
Jun 13th 2014
22
I actually know quite a bit about jazz and have strong opinions about it
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 14th 2014
25
No doubt man, just seemed
imcvspl
Jun 14th 2014
26
Dude, f**k all y''all
lonesome_d
Jun 14th 2014
27
RE: Is the AFKAP request because he doesn't pull punches on AfAm music?
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
32
RE: Is the AFKAP request because he doesn't pull punches on AfAm music?
imcvspl
Jun 15th 2014
33
I will address the rest of your post but I wanted to drop this real quic...
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
39
thanks for that
imcvspl
Jun 19th 2014
61
but look at nile roger's guitar playing.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 19th 2014
64
(jinx)
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 19th 2014
66
Okay I watched the Nile clip now
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
71
But a lot of jazz-musicians did this too...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
82
RE: But a lot of jazz-musicians did this too...
imcvspl
Jun 22nd 2014
87
You still didn't watch the Nile Rodgers vid I linked, huh?
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 19th 2014
65
Not yet
imcvspl
Jun 19th 2014
67
Personally, I didn't proffer So What/Cold Sweat as the prime illustratio...
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 19th 2014
68
RE: Personally, I didn't proffer So What/Cold Sweat as the prime illustr...
imcvspl
Jun 19th 2014
69
Are you sure about this?
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 15th 2014
48
i'm curious about what you mean by this.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 15th 2014
45
RE: i'm curious about what you mean by this.
imcvspl
Jun 15th 2014
52
maybe to your point...
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 16th 2014
53
That song always sounded like a Motown-knockoff to me...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 16th 2014
54
"freedom" is 60's motown all the way.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 16th 2014
55
I always heard it as swing/lindy hop
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 16th 2014
56
I actually meant 'sock hop' not lindy hop.
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 16th 2014
58
lots of great stuff in this thread...
thebigfunk
Jun 14th 2014
23
*bookmark*
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 14th 2014
24
Armstrong seems to agree with Bechet
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 15th 2014
43
But Armstrong...
imcvspl
Jun 15th 2014
44
BTW, that whole jazz got killed by art.music shit...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 15th 2014
50
i think i agree with you.
Joe Corn Mo
Jun 16th 2014
57
I agree also. nm
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 17th 2014
59
20th Century qualification needed though
imcvspl
Jun 19th 2014
62
I wasn't talking about influence...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 19th 2014
63
I HATE THE VERY NOTION OF REFERRING TO IT AS THE EDM ERA!!!
imcvspl
Jun 19th 2014
70
Man, EERY music-nerd nowadays is part of a small, nerdish clik...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
77
And this is just wrong:
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
78
omit twentieth century generations from the accounting
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
80
more like <30
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
84
Whatever, I can't relate...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
85
For the record howisya would agree with you
imcvspl
Jun 22nd 2014
88
Not a real metric but
imcvspl
Jun 30th 2014
89
On Moroder
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
72
could you expand on this a bit?
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Jun 21st 2014
73
if the rest of my life slowed down a bit I'd finish this book
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
75
I'm too drunk now to write something smart*...
Jakob Hellberg
Jun 21st 2014
76
Check out the homie KEV CHOICE outta Oakland
TRENDone
Jun 18th 2014
60
since this post was inspired by Nicholas Payton let's link him up
CalvinButts
Jun 21st 2014
74
wow that was pretty horrible
imcvspl
Jun 21st 2014
81
he is a bit confused
CalvinButts
Jun 22nd 2014
86
Jazz is original American music
Musa
Jun 30th 2014
90
jazz was better when it still had singles
GumDrops
Sep 12th 2014
91
Disagreed...
Jakob Hellberg
Sep 12th 2014
92
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