I was just talking to my older friend in his 60s on the phone and i asked him who was better between earth,wind, and fire and the ohio players and he said that the ohio players were it and saying the sugarfoat had oww vocals copied by so many people and how influencial that was and he said that their problem was like with any band money and greed started sitting in and that was their downfall and i know that he isnt bias on any funk terms so again, i say that the ohio players were better than earth,wind and fire and they were not hard enough for me. ill take rick james & the stone city band over earth,wind, and fire.