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"The Miles Davis Blindfold Test (swipe):"


  

          

This came up in a GD post recently, I believe; I'm sure that there is probably an excess of commentary written about this little piece that first was printed in an 1964 issue of Downbeat Magazine, but when I read it for myself, I couldn't help but LOL at some of the commentary:

link: http://www.forghieri.net/jazz/blind/Davis_3.html

3rd Blindfold Test Miles Davis

by Leonard Feather
Down Beat Volume 58 No. 12, December 1991, p.69
first published by Down Beat, June 1964

'You have to think when you play; you have to help each other - you just can't play for yourself. You've got to play with whomever you're playing. If I'm playing with Basie, I'm going to try to help what he's doing - that particular feeling.'

Miles Davis is unusually selective in his listening habits. This attitude should not be interpreted as reflecting any general misanthropy. He was in a perfectly good mood on the day of the interview reproduced below; it just happened that the records selected did not, for the most part, make much of an impression.

Clark Terry, for example, is an old friend and idol of Davis' from St. Louis, and the Duke Ellington Orchestra has always been on Davis' preferred list.

Davis does not have an automatic tendency to want to put everything down, as an inspection of his earlier Blindfold Tests will confirm (DB, Sept. 21, 1955 and Aug. 7, 1958).

The Cecil Taylor item was played as an afterthought, because we were discussing artists who have impressed critics, and I said I'd like to play an example. Aside from this, Davis was given no information about the records played.

The Records

1. Les McCann-Jazz Crusaders
All Blues
(Pacific Jazz)
Wayne Henderson, trombone; Wilton Felder, tenor saxophone; Joe Sample, piano; McCann, electric piano; Miles Davis, composer.

What's that supposed to be? That ain't nothin'. They don't know what to do with it - you either play it bluesy or you play on the scale. You don't just play flat notes. I didn't write it to play flat notes on - you know, like minor thirds. Either you play a whole chord against it, or else . . . but don't try to play it like you'd play, ah, Walkin' the Dog. You know what I mean?

That trombone player - trombone ain't supposed to sound like that. This is 1964, not 1924. Maybe if the piano player had played it by himself, something would have happened.

Rate it? How can I rate that?

2. Clark Terry
Cielito Lindo
(from 3 in Jazz, RCA Victor)
Terry, trumpet; Hank Jones, piano; Kenny Burrell, guitar.

Clark Terry, right? You know, I've always liked Clark. But this is a sad record. Why do they make records like that? With the guitar in the way, and that sad fucking piano player. He didn't do nothing for the rhythm section - didn't you hear it get jumbled up? All they needed was a bass and Terry.

That's what's fucking up music, you know. Record companies. They make too many sad records, man.

3. Rod Levitt
Ah! Spain
(from Dynamic Sound Patterns, Riverside)
Levitt, trombone, composer; John Beal, bass.

There was a nice idea, but they didn't do nothing with it. The bass player was a motherfucker, though.

What are they trying to do, copy Gil? It doesn't have the Spanish feeling - doesn't move. They move up in triads, but there's all those chords missing - and I never heard any Spanish thing where they had a figure that went

That's some old shit, man. Sounds like Steve Allen's TV band. Give it some stars just for the bass player.

4. Duke Ellington
Caravan
(from Money Jungle, United Artists).
Ellington, piano; Charlie Mingus, bass; Max Roach, drums.

What am I supposed to say to that? That's ridiculous. You see the way they can fuck up music? It's a mismatch. They don't complement each other. Max and Mingus can play together, by themselves. Mingus is a hell of a bass player, and Max is a hell of a drummer. But Duke can't play with them, and they can't play with Duke.

Now, how are you going to give a thing like that some stars? Record companies should be kicked in the ass. Somebody should take a picket sign and picket the record company.

5. Sonny Rollins
You Are My Lucky Star
(from 3 in Jazz, RCA Victor).
Don Cherry, trumpet; Rollins, tenor saxophone; Henry Grimes, bass; Billy Higgins, drums.

Now, why did they have to end it like that? Don Cherry I like, and Sonny I like, and the tune idea is nice. The rhythm is nice. I didn't care too much for the bass player's solo. Five stars is real good? It's just good, no more. Give it three.
6. Stan Getz - Joao Gilberto
Desafinado
from Getz-Gilberto, Verve
Getz, tenor saxophone; Gilberto, vocal.

Gilberto and Stan Getz made an album together? Stan plays good on that. I like Gilberto; I'm not particularly crazy about just anybody's bossa nova. I like the samba. And I like Stan, because he has so much patience, the way he plays those melodies - other people can't get nothing out of a song, but he can. Which takes a lot of imagination, that he has, that so many other people don't have.

As for Gilberto, he could read a newspaper and sound good! I'll give that one five stars.
7. Eric Dolphy
Mary Ann
(from Far Cry, New Jazz).
Booker Little, trumpet; Dolphy, composer, alto saxophone; Jaki Byard, piano.

That's got to be Eric Dolphy - nobody else could sound that bad! The next time I see him I'm going to step on his foot. You print that. I think he's ridiculous. He's a sad motherfucker.

L.F.: Down Beat won't print those words.

M.D.: Just put he's a sad shhhhhhhhh, that's all! The composition is sad. The piano player fucks it up, getting in the way so that you can't hear how things are supposed to be accented.

It's a sad record, and it's the record company's fault again. I didn't like the trumpet player's tone, and he don't do nothing. The running is all right if you're going to play that way, like Freddie Hubbard or Lee Morgan; but you've got to inject something, and you've got to have the rhythm section along; you just can't keep on playing all eighth notes.

The piano player's sad. You have to think when you play; you have to help each other - you just can't play for yourself. You've got to play with whomever you're playing. If I'm playing with Basie, I'm going to try to help what he's doing - that particular feeling.
8. Cecil Taylor
Lena
(from Live at the Cafe Montmartre, Fantasy).
Jimmy Lyons, alto saxophone; Taylor, piano.


Take it off! That's some sad shit, man. In the first place, I hear some Charlie Parker cliches. . . . They don't even fit. Is that what the critics are digging? Them critics better stop having coffee. If there ain't nothing to listen to, they might as well admit it. Just to take something like that and say it's great, because there ain't nothing to listen to, that's like going out and getting a prostitute.

L.F.: This man said he was influenced by Duke Ellington.

M.D.: I don't give a shit! It must be Cecil Taylor. Right? I don't care who he's inspired by. That shit ain't nothing. In the first place he don't have the - you know, the way you touch a piano. He doesn't have the touch that would make the sound of whatever he thinks of come off.

I can tell he's influenced by Duke, but to put the loud pedal on the piano and make a run is very old-fashioned to me. And when the alto player sits up there and plays without no tone. . . . That's the reason I don't buy any records.

You can find this blindfold test reprinted in Bill Kirchner's Miles Davis Reader, a collection of articles about Miles Davis and his music by various authors, which is still available (Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington and London, 1997)

  

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The Miles Davis Blindfold Test (swipe): [View all] , Dr Claw, Wed May-16-12 08:43 AM
 
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RE: God, he was such an asshole.
May 16th 2012
1
ROTFL
May 16th 2012
2
*THIS*
May 16th 2012
4
'them critics better stop havin' coffee' = 100% MAXXX
May 16th 2012
6
I wish they had video of this
May 16th 2012
8
      Yeah, in the others linked before... he just 'knew' them
May 16th 2012
15
very true
May 16th 2012
17
I remember reading this
May 16th 2012
3
I gave his Jazz Waltz comment a Corporate Eyebrow
May 16th 2012
5
he dissed a lot of guys I really like, but it's still funny
May 16th 2012
7
Wow, this is pretty hilarious.
May 16th 2012
9
They could care less about the music, it's "that nigga ain't hood"
May 17th 2012
32
More! More!
May 16th 2012
10
actually, here's the next one
May 16th 2012
11
      and the preceding one...
May 16th 2012
12
      brilliant!
May 17th 2012
41
      that bit about Al Hirt killed me... LMMFAO
May 16th 2012
13
      RE: He said "white Uncle Tom."
May 16th 2012
23
           or hip hop?
Jul 18th 2012
46
      RE: Sun Ra was from Saturn!
May 16th 2012
18
      he said Raymond Scott in '35!!!
May 16th 2012
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           RE: Gotta admit, that's a reference I don't get.
May 16th 2012
20
                come to mumu!!
May 16th 2012
21
                     RE: Can't.
May 16th 2012
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                          Remind me to make the Raymond Scott post one day
Jan 27th 2013
48
      Miles embarassed himself here...
May 16th 2012
27
that was great, lol
May 16th 2012
14
LOFL, thanks for postin this Doc
May 16th 2012
16
great read - i'd never seen that before
May 16th 2012
24
I read this picturing him with Chappelle at the Player Haters Ball
May 16th 2012
25
I heard it as Cassius talkin' bout Frazier
May 17th 2012
36
The Dolphy-thing was EXTREMELY unfortunate...
May 16th 2012
26
lofl
May 16th 2012
28
Why I'm mad?
May 16th 2012
29
you said it urself
May 16th 2012
30
      people didn't know that at the time...
May 16th 2012
31
jesus.
May 17th 2012
34
Yeah, I read about Dolphy (one of those mentioned it)
May 17th 2012
33
good reads
May 17th 2012
35
Dope.
May 17th 2012
37
he was shitting on the FAMU band too n/m
May 17th 2012
38
Nahh, it's a band of college kids. That's props!!
May 17th 2012
40
no he wasnt nm
May 17th 2012
42
Hell yea we had a rep then too
May 17th 2012
39
RE: The Miles Davis Blindfold Test (swipe):
Jul 12th 2012
43
^^^bump
Jul 18th 2012
44
RE: The Miles Davis Blindfold Test (swipe):
Jul 18th 2012
45
AWESOME
Jul 20th 2012
47
RE: The Miles Davis Blindfold Test (swipe):
Jan 27th 2013
49
two best Miles quotes EVER
Jan 27th 2013
50

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