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"When does Black Optimism become Black Denial? (Dez Bryant ed.)"


  

          

I've been thinking about this for a minute and was just waiting for the next black celeb to put his foot in his mouth before posting about. This time it's Dez Bryant with this:

http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/04/10/dez-bryant-says-black-people-are-the-reason-they-are-unsuccessful-not-white-people/


BTW, the biggest problem with his "no one ever had it harder than Desmond D. Bryant" story is that no matter how terrible the story he goes on to tell, the truth is that there are plenty of people from backgrounds like he described that also were not gifted athletes that allowed them to rise up out of their situation.

This is kind of why I find "successful people" have a tendency to turn obnoxious with their, "I did it, so can you".

Common & Pharrell have both been guilty of "New Black-isms".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/19/common-pharrell-and-the-new-black-an-ignorant-mentality-that-undermines-the-black-experience.html

But the truth is what they are saying is close to, and a variation, of the less controversial message of, "we black people are amazing and have the ability to overcome any circumstances this country has thrown at us".

Stuff like:

“Never be limited by other people's limited imaginations.”
 –Dr. Mae Jemison

“Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.” –Harriet Tubman

"You should never view your challenges as a disadvantage. Instead, it's important for you to understand that your experience facing and overcoming adversity is actually one of your biggest advantages."
- Michelle Obama


Kind of sort of similar in theme right?


One thing I notice is that it is not only important who is delivering the message but at what point in their career they are delivering the message. People can tolerate advice from Kanye & Jay-Z on the come up about what it takes to beat the odds, but rich Kanye & Jay-Z sound obnoxious talking like that (reminds me of my friend who was a huge self-promoter when we were younger which was necessary and tolerated when he was trying to get to the top, but when he got to the top that sort of talk became obnoxious).


Anyway, when does black optimism talk of "can't nobody hold us down" turn into black denial of "we are our own worst enemies"?








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When does Black Optimism become Black Denial? (Dez Bryant ed.) [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Apr-11-17 11:09 AM
 
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prolly about the time you take a picture with white people
Apr 11th 2017
1
The Michelle Obama quote isn't saying the same thing
Apr 11th 2017
2
Fair enough. But try this mental test.
Apr 11th 2017
4
      Trump isn't Black and he came from money... cmon B.
Apr 11th 2017
5
           But why does who the speaker is matter?
Apr 11th 2017
9
                it matters.
Apr 11th 2017
10
                because it does.. lol
Apr 11th 2017
17
                     Ah, in other words, he has no authority to speak on that subject
Apr 11th 2017
26
I don't have a problem with it as long as it's within reason
Apr 11th 2017
3
tHat part
Apr 12th 2017
72
it depends on the perspective of whomever is saying.
Apr 11th 2017
6
I guess the question is why does the speaker background matter?
Apr 11th 2017
8
      context always matters with language
Apr 11th 2017
12
      legs already said it.
Apr 11th 2017
19
I think people remind themselves of what they haven't done......
Apr 11th 2017
7
People too soft to hear you though.....
Apr 11th 2017
This shit: "no one ever had it harder than Desmond D. Bryant" is useless
Apr 11th 2017
11
a nigga never been as broke as me.when i was young i had 2 pair of Lee's
Apr 11th 2017
13
KRS-1 only had 1.5 pair of jeans.
Apr 11th 2017
14
Pretty much ALL of it is internalized racism/self-hate, let's be honsest
Apr 11th 2017
15
My only counter would be white people buy into this thinking too
Apr 11th 2017
18
Hillbilly Elegy
Apr 11th 2017
21
RE: My only counter would be white people buy into this thinking too
Apr 11th 2017
22
Nah, You Just Can't Tell Niggas Shit
Apr 11th 2017
25
      I've literally never seen this convo play out like this irl lol...ever
Apr 11th 2017
28
      have more conversations.
Apr 11th 2017
33
           mmhmmm
Apr 12th 2017
40
      Yup. How dare this nigga tell me to work a little harder?
Apr 11th 2017
30
           still though....you don't see how
Apr 12th 2017
75
All black Americans are one bad moment away from having nothing
Apr 11th 2017
16
now see.. ionno about all that luck
Apr 11th 2017
20
Alot of people do, but don't turn out like these famous ppl we know.
Apr 11th 2017
23
Way too many artist in VA made it for it to be luck
Apr 11th 2017
27
      You bootstrap folks kill me.
Apr 11th 2017
31
           I'm Black, racism exist but I'm not going to give up or make excuses
Apr 11th 2017
34
                Nobody is asking you to do either.
Apr 11th 2017
35
                     Ehh... you sure about that?
Apr 12th 2017
36
Luck that on the wrong day at the wrong time nothing happened to him
Apr 11th 2017
24
That's not luck that's life. Car accident or staph infection?
Apr 11th 2017
29
      RE: That's not luck that's life. Car accident or staph infection?
Apr 11th 2017
32
      how is it not luck to play a violent sport and avoid career
Apr 12th 2017
41
           that's like saying it's luck every time I get in my car and don't die
Apr 12th 2017
45
                I mean it kinda is though
Apr 12th 2017
81
6"2 / 220 lbs / 4.5 40-time / 38" vert
Apr 12th 2017
57
Word. I wouldn't say "all" but most, definitely.
Apr 12th 2017
38
      Most niggas are one other nigga away from having their lives ruined
Apr 12th 2017
70
just to chime in, the overarching
Apr 12th 2017
37
Protestant work ethic (boostraps mentality)
Apr 12th 2017
39
imma give Dez a B for effort.
Apr 12th 2017
42
same dude who slapped his mom, right?
Apr 12th 2017
43
NO ONE EVER HAD IT HARDER THAN DEZ. NO ONE!
Apr 12th 2017
44
      LMAO - he's one hell of a man b/c i wld've ceased to exist
Apr 12th 2017
47
Question: Is "I did it, why can't you?" the same as "I did it, you can t...
Apr 12th 2017
46
how abt ''what can we build together that NOONE ELSE controls?''
Apr 12th 2017
48
HOW BOUT DAT
Apr 12th 2017
58
a small one
Apr 12th 2017
49
There's reality in the encouragement. "You can too" is loaded with
Apr 12th 2017
59
      no, optimism is not partially realism
Apr 12th 2017
73
first one sounds like an accusation
Apr 12th 2017
50
that's my take too. 1st one is mad dismissive......
Apr 12th 2017
60
yes but only because people want to be simpleminded.
Apr 12th 2017
51
Recognizing nuance is imperative for progress. As well as language.
Apr 12th 2017
61
I talked to some young people recently.
Apr 12th 2017
54
      Yeah, if you telling somebody "Try Harder" or "Work Harder" as advice
Apr 12th 2017
62
      examples that worked in past
Apr 12th 2017
64
the message changes once the systems admins give you a microphone
Apr 12th 2017
52
His statement is true only in the fact that we agree to the political
Apr 12th 2017
53
ijs the nigga is STILL very successful. his platform gave us this thread...
Apr 12th 2017
Doesn't matter -- a white person had to okay his success
Apr 12th 2017
84
The same platform granted to him by the very same White people
Apr 14th 2017
89
.
Apr 12th 2017
55
success is moving up levels.
Apr 12th 2017
67
      yup. you start out poor and end up solid middle class.. SUCCESS
Apr 12th 2017
78
      Which levels economic levels?
Apr 12th 2017
79
           yes....
Apr 12th 2017
82
RE: When does Black Optimism become Black Denial? (Dez Bryant ed.)
Apr 12th 2017
56
My beef is, using the past as the sole motivation for success.
Apr 12th 2017
63
man, if someone is poor as shit and they have a solid gig
Apr 12th 2017
77
statistical perspective: when the outlier doesn't get its an outlier
Apr 12th 2017
65
I get what you're saying.
Apr 12th 2017
66
in your take... what is it that the 99 is saying back to the 1?
Apr 12th 2017
68
      depends
Apr 12th 2017
69
           Sorta
Apr 12th 2017
71
                i dunno
Apr 12th 2017
74
                some push back agressive, some agree,
Apr 12th 2017
76
Also if you study economics in the USA capitalism is not set up for
Apr 12th 2017
80
right, capitalism requires poor people to work properly
Apr 12th 2017
83
if that turkey didn't have that star on his head then nobody would care
Apr 12th 2017
85
Black Optimism is personal accountability. Black Denial is blame.
Apr 12th 2017
86
I finally clicked the link and his tone is def accusatory
Apr 13th 2017
87
^^^^All good stuff.
Apr 13th 2017
88

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