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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/entertainment/bruno-mars-cultural-appropriation-reaction-trnd/index.html

After Bruno Mars is accused of cultural appropriation, black celebrities come to his defense
Deena Zaru
By Deena Zaru, CNN
Updated 5:51 AM EDT, Tue March 13, 2018

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Bruno Mars accused of cultural appropriation (2018)
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Bruno Mars found himself caught in a heated debate about cultural appropriation over the weekend after an activist accused the “24K Magic” star of being a culture vulture profiting off of traditionally black music.

“Cultural appropriation,” according to the Cambridge Dictionary, is “the act of taking or using things from a culture that is not your own, especially without showing that you understand or respect this culture.”

Bruno Mars’ mother is Filipina and his father is Puerto Rican and Jewish


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But the Grammy-winning star is known for blending elements of funk, soul, R&B, reggae and hip-hop in his music — genres that are historically and traditionally African-American.

Here’s the two-minute video that started it all:

“Bruno Mars 100% is a cultural appropriator. He is not black, at all, and he plays up his racial ambiguity to cross genres,” writer and activist Seren Sensei said in a clip for “The Grapevine,” a web series that explores African-American issues.

“What Bruno Mars does, is he takes pre-existing work and he just completely, word-for-word recreates it, extrapolates it,” she added. “He does not create it, he does not improve upon it, he does not make it better. He’s a karaoke singer, he’s a wedding singer, he’s the person you hire to do Michael Jackson and Prince covers. Yet Bruno Mars has an Album of the Year Grammy and Prince never won an Album of the Year Grammy.”

Some agreed with Sensei.


“Yeah, she makes a valid point about the appropriation of blackness and how it is now lucrative rather than taboo. Bruno Mars as an example is an awkward one because he has paid homage but that doesn’t discredit that he can still benefit from the ambiguity,” one Twitter user wrote.

For more on music, culture and politics, check out CNN’s #GetPolitical series.

Meanwhile, others jumped to Mars’ defense.

“I just want to be practical here. Are people saying that Bruno Mars shouldn’t sing? Or that when he sings he needs to somehow whiten that s— up and sound more like Rod Stewart,” “Black Lives Matter” activist and writer Shaun King tweeted. “I’m dead serious. What type of music is this man “allowed” to do?”

R&B singer Charlie Wilson, one of the black artists Mars is accused of copying, praised the musician in a Twitter message and credited him with helping to “bring back that classic New Jack / R&B sound to the masses when it was left for dead years ago and hard for artists to get that sound back on mainstream radar.”


Wilson – the former lead vocalist of R&B/funk group The Gap Band – also praised “24K Magic,” which won Mars six Grammys this year, saying, “Bruno’s songs on this album are original and no different from any other artist pulling inspiration from genres before him.”

In defending Mars, fans pointed to statements the artist made paying tribute to the black pioneers who inspired his music.

“When you say ‘black music,’ understand that you are talking about rock, jazz, R&B, reggae, funk, doo-wop, hip-hop and Motown,” he said in a February 2017 interview with Latina magazine.”Black people created it all. Being Puerto Rican, even salsa music stems back to the Motherland . So, in my world, black music means everything. It’s what gives America its swag.


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“I’m a child raised in the ’90s,” he continued. Pop music was heavily rooted in R&B from Whitney, Diddy, Dr. Dre, Boyz II Men, Aaliyah, TLC, Babyface, New Edition, Michael, and so much more … I wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for these artists who inspired me.”

Mars, who dashed hip-hop’s Grammy dreams in January when he won album, record and song of the year, also got some words of encouragement from the hip-hop community.

“Keep making that funky ish, @BrunoMars!!!! Do you always ❤️,” Grammy-nominated rapper Rapsody tweeted.

“So is it Bruno Mars fault that…he was influenced by BabyFace, Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis…around the same time from a hip-hop side I was influenced by DJ Premier, Pete Rock, and The Beatminerz? This is a Sociology study on influence and exposure….” hip-hop music producer 9th Wonder tweeted.

Mars, who has collaborated with many hip-hop artists – most recently, Cardi B – called on Atlanta to select a hip-hop artist to perform at next year’s Super Bowl.

White musicians such as rapper Iggy Azalea and Miley Cyrus, who tried her hand at hip-hop as she rose to fame and then openly distanced herself from it, have often been cast as culture vultures.

Most recently, white rapper Post Malone sparked a wave of backlash from the hip-hop community after he appeared to dis the genre that made him famous, in a January interview with GQ.

“I definitely feel like there’s a struggle being a white rapper. But I don’t want to be a rapper. I just want to be a person that makes music,” he said.

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Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture? [View all] , ThaTruth, Thu Jul-13-17 04:20 PM
 
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let's set some criteria for appropriation and exploitation
Jul 13th 2017
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RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 13th 2017
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that nigga show more love to black culture than a lotta black folks lol
Jul 13th 2017
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^^^
Jul 13th 2017
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^
Jul 13th 2017
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right, he ain't never denied his black influences
Jul 13th 2017
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basically
Jul 14th 2017
15
lol, exactly. 24K Magic > 21 Savage
Jul 17th 2017
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      LMAO
Jun 06th 2022
126
no, I believe he's talented and genuine but not for me
Jul 13th 2017
6
yup!
Jul 13th 2017
7
RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 14th 2017
9
JBoog been a nigga from Long Beach tho so he dont count
Mar 14th 2018
81
Was wondering when this question would be asked...
Jul 14th 2017
10
not just black culture. bruno is just a pure biter
Jul 14th 2017
11
I'm just gonna leave this here
Jul 14th 2017
12
No, and thank Gog for him. He's the only young-ish person doing
Jul 14th 2017
13
I'd bet not
Jul 14th 2017
44
I doubt it.
Jul 16th 2017
52
LOL
Mar 14th 2018
96
http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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10 years from now though.....
Jul 14th 2017
20
I don't think that works because none of our parents listened to
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
28
House vs playground is a very arbitrary distinction
Mar 15th 2018
118
In 2017, I can't wholeheartedly say that it's solely ours anymore....
Jul 14th 2017
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I made a late pass post
Jul 17th 2017
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I feel ike folks miss a crucial point in all this "appropriation" talk
Jul 14th 2017
23
That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
46
      how much is the appropriation created by the media
Jul 15th 2017
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           I agree.
Jul 16th 2017
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whichever one claims to be a gangster rapper is the guilty party
Jul 17th 2017
65
Appropriation is like obscenity, hard to define, but I know it when I se...
Jun 07th 2022
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We exploit it on our own; we love being mad at the wrong people
Jul 14th 2017
21
I really hate this. Seems like fake outrage.
Jul 14th 2017
22
appropriating, definitely, exploiting, not sure
Jul 14th 2017
24
he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude that.....
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude th...
Jul 14th 2017
29
I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
Jul 14th 2017
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      I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so he....
Jul 14th 2017
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           yep it was all laid out for him
Jul 14th 2017
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           RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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                     RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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You telling me THIS dude is passing white America?
Jul 14th 2017
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      I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black music".....
Jul 14th 2017
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           RE: I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black musi...
Jul 14th 2017
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           the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 14th 2017
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                exactly...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 15th 2017
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                shit is stupid
Jul 16th 2017
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                     I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
Jul 16th 2017
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                          RE: I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
Jul 17th 2017
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                               people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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                                    RE: people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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                                    People are upset because he is versatile
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    Radiohead made OK Computer
Mar 14th 2018
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                So you want him to stay in a box?
Mar 14th 2018
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           so...is Morris Day a coon? because...thats kind of the reference
Jul 14th 2017
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                Morris Day was doing it 35 years ago, if a black man TODAY came out...
Jul 15th 2017
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                     that isnt what he asked you
Jul 16th 2017
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                     The question was an improper response to the statement
Jul 17th 2017
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                          Exactly. n/m
Jul 17th 2017
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                     He wouldn't be called a coon but it isn't "special"
Jul 16th 2017
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                          does that mean the whole Neo Soul thing was pointless?
Jul 17th 2017
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                          Bruno isn’t white
Mar 14th 2018
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Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him...
Jul 14th 2017
37
Yeah. There's some negro somewhere in his bloodline.
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him...
Mar 14th 2018
78
I mean..... I see it.
Jun 07th 2022
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This is ridiculous.
Jul 15th 2017
49
So what you're REALLY saying is....
Jul 17th 2017
69
I never got into him
Jul 15th 2017
51
same here.
Jul 16th 2017
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naw because he ain't faking who he is and what he apreciates
Jul 16th 2017
59
there are a lot of sad people in the world. how can you NOT enjoy 24k
Jul 17th 2017
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Bean pies got these niggas too constipated to enjoy anything.
Mar 14th 2018
75
I like some of his songs and think he is an amazing performer
Jul 17th 2017
64
Mars and Macklemore are the only dudes paying homage it seems
Jul 17th 2017
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thats fucking sad
Jul 18th 2017
73
I think 9th Wonder is making the same point I was trying to make
Mar 14th 2018
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No, as I said in the other thread, Bruno Mars is Black so...
Mar 14th 2018
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THATS DIFFRENT!!!!
Mar 14th 2018
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And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue...
Mar 14th 2018
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RE: And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue...
Mar 14th 2018
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Kool Herc is Jamaican
Mar 14th 2018
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      RE: Kool Herc is Jamaican
Mar 14th 2018
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           This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues
Mar 14th 2018
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                RE: This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues
Mar 14th 2018
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                open and shut case Johnson
Mar 14th 2018
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                The real hood ?
Mar 14th 2018
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                RE: The real hood ?
Mar 14th 2018
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                Good point
Mar 14th 2018
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                So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acting.....
Mar 14th 2018
89
                     A dude from college fronts a reggae band in Richmond
Mar 14th 2018
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                     My milk of magnesia! When the devil made you...
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropriating...
Mar 14th 2018
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                          RE: Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropria...
Mar 14th 2018
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                     RE: So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acti...
Mar 14th 2018
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                          and wasn’t Lauryn Hill middle class?
Mar 14th 2018
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We're not back to that argument, *you are.
Mar 14th 2018
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      Goes both ways
Mar 14th 2018
107
*cosign*
Mar 15th 2018
114
He may not be Black, but he's definitely black. *ducks*
Jun 07th 2022
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According to his wikipedia page...the answer is NO.
Mar 14th 2018
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thats how it works?
Mar 14th 2018
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      Allegedly, he was also on that MJ work schedule
Mar 14th 2018
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           He’s been at it his whole life
Mar 14th 2018
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I don't think so at all.Especially considering the racism "he" has faced
Mar 14th 2018
108
I purposely avoided this post for the most part when it was made, but...
Mar 15th 2018
109
Ionno man, sounds like nit picking to me
Mar 15th 2018
110
You completely missed the point.
Mar 15th 2018
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      I got it, I just don’t agree with it.
Mar 15th 2018
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           Don't need you to agree, but your response says you didn't get it.
Mar 15th 2018
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                No we got it. It was aN example of u going down a worm hole lol
Mar 15th 2018
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                     Yeah, its easy to get
Mar 15th 2018
117
I appreciate the nuance of "imitator" vs "app...
Mar 15th 2018
116
bumped a thread from 4 years ago with an article from 2018?
Jun 06th 2022
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      sometimes people gotta try to re-heat leftover agendas, lol.
Jun 06th 2022
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      especially in the 'air fryer' age
Jun 06th 2022
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           needs more seasoning
Jun 06th 2022
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                i see what you did there LMAO
Jun 06th 2022
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                Lmao
Jun 06th 2022
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      LMAO wtf
Jun 06th 2022
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      if you can't find any new hot takes in 4 years
Jun 06th 2022
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           thatruth is the king of not letting Ls go
Jun 06th 2022
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      like a lot of things nothing has changed, but people seem to forget...
Jun 06th 2022
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           it was a reach in 2018
Jun 06th 2022
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                It wasn't...
Jun 06th 2022
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                     Lol wtf
Jun 06th 2022
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                          RE: Lol wtf
Jun 06th 2022
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                          Oh you know him personally
Jun 06th 2022
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                               never said that I did, that was the image he presented professionally...
Jun 07th 2022
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                                    Man get out of here, such a dumb argument.
Jun 07th 2022
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                                    the video you posted basically exhibits exactly what I'm talking about
Jun 07th 2022
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                                    Lol. So much irony in baby Bruno saying he wants to be like Elvis
Jun 07th 2022
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                                    lol @ you answering that question like it was a real one
Jun 07th 2022
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                                         okayplayer. n/m
Jun 07th 2022
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                                              I mean.. he’s not wrong.
Jun 07th 2022
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                          And RZA is a cassanove because this is what he sounded like when heq
Jun 07th 2022
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                               I’ll raise you one Word Class Wreckin Cru
Jun 07th 2022
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                               I thought of this too lol
Jun 07th 2022
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                               haha
Jun 07th 2022
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                               I probably enjoy Rza as a rapper more than most
Jun 07th 2022
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Yo really held onto this during the pandemic
Jun 07th 2022
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