Never watched fully American Pimp. Never was too into Ice T because of it. Limits my appreciation of Snoop Dogg (don't think he ever should have gotten a pass for showing up on the red carpet of the VMAs with two black women on leashes).

Made me reluctant to watch the Deuce on HBO but caught it last night and it was really good. Also did a good job, I think, of not romanticizing the exploitative and violent nature of pimping.

Anyway, why you think Pimping gets such a pass as something cool, charming or funny in certain segments of our culture?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

For the record, my username is from an Outkast skit.

I don't not (and never have) endorse pimping in any way, shape, or form.

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I get it that people are free to do with their bodies what they want in that sex isn't a negative… But the way pimping itself is this cried is actually degrading and not something to aspire to. I don't know when the vernacular became something to aspire to as being a player and what not. The meanings behind the language is something that needs to be considered as it's not honorable imho

i.e. Scarface, Godfather trilogy, Sopranos, etc?

Squares like to see and fantasize about how those people live, people that are actually about that life like seeing people like themselves in movies & tv.

but I think in my mind I differentiate because one necessarily involves the violent exploitation of women.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"Pimp" is too close to "Pimple" for me, not a good word


I agree with B_G in that don't understand the fascination with it. I also don't understand why all the heat is always directed at the pimp, and not the hoes.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

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Why do women sign up for this?

How does a woman 'fall into the life' or get 'tricked' in to hooking? In essence aren't pimps glorified because of the women that support them?

Then men are supporting the lifestyle because the idea of controlling someone and making a profit from it makes it appealing.

or another pimp or some hoes rob you and you have no backup? You ass out.

At least with a pimp you can be like "baby, Pretty Tony gonna fuck you up if you hit me again"

sign up for it, but get caught up by trusting the wrong folks. promises of love, being taken care of, etc. sometimes leads to being drugged, raped, threatened, beating. then you're stuck. lots of young runaways get stuck in pimp life.

that's not to say that some don't just willingly sign up, but I'd suspect that's less than those that get caught up before they realize what's happening.

but shit, these days women are pimping women

pimping their own daughters?

streets by themselves, a pimp can offer them security and a "family" with other whores doing the same thing they're doing.

70s pimps didnt have to lay a hand on a woman
it was kind of on some life coach/mentor shit, women were well provided for with the money they brought in
so if your "pimp hand" was that strong I can see how it was respected before the game got ugly, violent and misogynistic

bruh, that game has always been ugly and misogynistic.

I wouldnt use that to describe how the pimp game in the 70s has been described

maybe getting them in the game was smoother but I think we glorify the 70's too much.

and b/c prostitutes cannot access the police for help when they need it, they are at the mercy of pimps in most cases and have been since the beginning of __.

the way i see it the only solution to fixing the problem w/exploitation of prostitutes is to legalize the sex trade. all aspects of it. well, except for the sexy kids stuff. b/c...no. but the adult work? it should be perfectly legal and allowed to function out in the open. it can be as discreet as a community demands w/in reasonable limits. but if it's forced into the shadows that just makes it easier for the workers to be exploited by shady characters.

but w/all of the ridiculous pearl-clutching about sex work we're decades/generations from seeing that happen. it should've happened generations ago.

Our Puritan assed culture passively kills a lot of people

You can't really be thinking that 70s pimps didn't get violent with women do you?




>70s pimps didnt have to lay a hand on a woman
>it was kind of on some life coach/mentor shit, women were well
>provided for with the money they brought in
>so if your "pimp hand" was that strong I can see how it was
>respected before the game got ugly, violent and misogynistic
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

you took my reply as romanticizing, where I was more so explaining why it seems fascinating

From the State Capitol, to the Nations capitol, from the Pineapple to the BIG APPLE

HAHHAHAA KENNY RED

so he is in Oakland and some dude who was a pimp (or maybe his uncle was a pimp) back in DC walks in walks in. My boy is like "yo, your so and so from DC and calls him his street name. When he says his name the guy looks like "oh shit, you really are from DC"

he invites him to go to a party in Vegas for the weekend. My boy thinks its to chill and when he gets there he realizes it's the Players Ball. So he is chilling with Don Juan and a few other pimps and they are chopping it up and they start talking about books/guides that every pimp should read.

Just so happens my Dad had this book and I stole it from him not even thinking it was some holy grail of books. I can't even remember the name but I let my boy borrow it in college. This fool said he went to kinko's and scanned every page and laminated it in a binder because the book was old as shit. Some shit from the 70's.

Anyway, someone tells my boy to go downstairs to the hotel lobby to get Mike.

My boy has no idea who it is and when he gets downstairs its MIKE FUCKING TYSON and he looked pissed cause everyone was bothering him in the lobby for a pic or autograph. Mike gets on the elevator and it's SILENCE!!! Then Mike turns and ask what they are doing in the hotel room and my boy said politicking or some high ass word for chilling and Mike does this high pitch laugh..

"politicking, heh heh, I like that, I like that word.. yeah.. politicking"

My boy said they tried to get him onto pimping cause they liked the way he handled himself but he ain't about that life.

But he did tell me he saw some young ass pimps who were caked up.. or you know, flashed like they were caked up.

Then he went to visit Don Juan in LA and dude had a real humble 1 bedroom apartment.

I guess it really ain't easy.

I'm reading it now, pretty fascinating stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Players-Secret-World-Pimps/dp/0983104905/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505253210&sr=8-1&keywords=black+players

All of it. It wouldn't wipe out pimping but it would severely diminish it.

Legalize sex work and open up immigration. Stop forcing hoes and tricks to operate undercover. Let em free.

It's the oldest profession on earth, so they say. Sex sells when cotton and coal won't sell, so they say. They're right. It won't be shamed or legislated out of existence. Let em free.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13143096&mesg_id=13143096&listing_type=search


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point is - the shit has been around since forever. and it ain't going anywhere. so why do we act so stupid about it?

b/c somebody said somebody's deity is gonna blah blah blah. so we allow folks to be exploited b/c of some fictional shit?

okay.

it's outrageous.

That would open up a new industry to taxation. Regulations could be set in place that would put a big dent into pimping and sex trafficking.

Workers could be required to get a license, opening a revenue stream for states.

Also, both the worker and the john are less likely to encounter violence since the environments could be controlled.

too much. b/c that would make that underground sex trade still too attractive.

but yeah. legalize it. regulate it - but not out of existence.

>Legalize sex work and open up immigration.

I agree tho.

b/c sex trafficking that crosses borders usually involves women brought in from foreign countries.

>All of it. It wouldn't wipe out pimping but it would severely
>diminish it.
>
>Legalize sex work and open up immigration. Stop forcing hoes
>and tricks to operate undercover. Let em free.
>
>It's the oldest profession on earth, so they say. Sex sells
>when cotton and coal won't sell, so they say. They're right.
>It won't be shamed or legislated out of existence. Let em
>free.

poor people of various races could live and/or stay long-term in hotels well below Harlem. I started spending time here and then moved here once gentrification was already well under way, so that's only something I've heard tales of from older people or people who grew up here.

in many (probably even most) cases that's exactly what pimping is. you should have a problem with it, because it's a problem.

I would imagine what you're referring to is probably much more prevalent than what the majority of folks are referencing (the blaxploitation version) in this thread, especially when children are unfortunately factored into the mix.

even craigslist and backpage hoes got pimps in most cases. they're being exploited and many (most)are forced to participate in this shit.

and don't even get me started on the kids. especially in foreign countries. shit is absolutely disgusting and will make you lose your lunch.

the pimping.

i don't know or see or hear about any of the old school pimping

nowadays it seems like it's more of the sex trafficking thing w/ kidnapped young drugged up women


but yeah...niggas wearing floor length furs, hair laid like 4 flats on a lac, and a backhand like John McEnroe...is essentially a character at this point

**shrugs**

but i guess not.

or maybe the Internet freed up most of the workers except the most vulnerable. and so pimping is coming down hard on those who're left in its clutches.

one more reason to legalize all of the adult sex industry.

these days as a come up/gig/hustle

https://media.tenor.com/images/fb3f2d1e814190100a4ae401b1660d5b/tenor.gif




how does that work?

aren't they independent contractors?

i just went through a pretty extensive training/presentation on human trafficking. there are definitely independent dancers without pimps, and there are definitely girls who are being forced to dance (in addition to other shit) by someone who is taking advantage of their vulnerability.

they always seem to linger nearby

and for the record...No i don't purchase lol....i happen to live/work near a popular motel that 'employs or allows' those type of workers

their dynamic doesn't 'appear' exploitative tho from the outside looking in

some of are independent but some do still have pimps, "managers", security or whatsoever for obvious reasons especially if they're meeting up with strange "johns"/customers outside the club or traveling out of town.

Remember that scene in Player's Club when Myron followed Diamond home from the club, a lot of that shit happens for real. (side note: the funniest part about that scene in the movie is after all that commotion she still goes inside and catches her cousin Ebony in bed with her boyfriend like how did they not hear that shit?!lol)

>those who're left in its clutches.

I see what you did here.

>or maybe the Internet freed up most of the workers except the
>most vulnerable. and so pimping is coming down hard on those
>who're left in its clutches.

to old and dirty in a matter of weeks. Shit is awful and these pimps are no older than 20.

and 3 weeks later she was almost unrecognizable

scabs all up and down her legs.

it's a lot of truckers around that area but still, how the fuck you paying money to a girl with a bunch of soars on her legs and feet?

that area u talkn about was just some average type shit. they had a red roof over there and another hotel across the street and they werent bad at all. right up off sugar creek was a middle class neighborhood called hidden valley which was a nice decent neighborhood. fast fwd a few years ago and there is a special on gangs that talked about a "violent street gang" outta charlotte called the hidden valley kings lol. they turned that nice neighborhood into the straight up hood. i saw that episode and i was like WHAT??? these niggas got a gang episode dedicated to them like they were the compton pirus or some shit smh. but yeah that area went down bad in probably the mid-late 90s. uncc was 10 mins from there so we used to go there and hit up the fast food spots.

edit: peep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEB0RHXKxnw


>to old and dirty in a matter of weeks. Shit is awful and
>these pimps are no older than 20.
>
>

I had no idea. It looks like a regular middle class neighborhood.

we were watching gangland. and dude asked if i had ever seen the charlotte gangland ep. after about 45 secs of hard laughter he had it pulled up and i couldn't believe it.

but when you watch the news and see these dudes running up in witnesses houses in Lake Norman and killing folks execution style? shiiieeeet.

brutal exploitative trade.

It was always sex trafficking, we are just more enlightened now.



>i don't know or see or hear about any of the old school
>pimping
>
>nowadays it seems like it's more of the sex trafficking thing
>w/ kidnapped young drugged up women
>
>
>but yeah...niggas wearing floor length furs, hair laid like 4
>flats on a lac, and a backhand like John McEnroe...is
>essentially a character at this point
>
>**shrugs**


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

violence associated with those days

That would be why I believe some in our culture embrace it. Same can be said for drug dealing.

American Pimp was good though. If we're talking about the Hughes Brothers film. Didn't glorify it at all IMO

i thought a pimp was just a dude with a bunch of girls for his personal use. When i found out what he really was, i was like wait, why is this guy cool again?

in the black community?

But I don't think that explains the glamorization of it for everyone else.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

pimping is a symptom of a bigger issue.

The two aren't mutually inclusive concepts. One is inherently violent and misogynist, the other is merely sex work.

and the stigma attached to sex work.

Pimps = Antiheros

My uncle is a pimp. He was actually featured in American Pimp.

He's one of the most heartless cowards I've ever met in my life. He's also one of the most charismatic and intelligent people I've met.

My oldest cousin has been a prostitute since the early 90s. She's about as fucked up emotionally as you'd imagine, after all the things she's been through. She's also one of the most affectionate and honest people in my family.

Shit is complicated.

>My uncle is a pimp. He was actually featured in American
>Pimp.
>
>He's one of the most heartless cowards I've ever met in my
>life. He's also one of the most charismatic and intelligent
>people I've met.
>
>My oldest cousin has been a prostitute since the early 90s.
>She's about as fucked up emotionally as you'd imagine, after
>all the things she's been through. She's also one of the most
>affectionate and honest people in my family.
>
>Shit is complicated.

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFVQtg6eDU

Just playing - pimps are lame role models.

the men i admired had zero problems piqueing a woman's interest w/charm, but they were all skilled tradesman that provided for their fam w/o subjecting women to sex work.

and them niggas KEPT a dollar.

*opens caddilac door & firmly plants money-green gator on pavement*

and when I used to hit up the little hood bar the stories were crazy as shit.

These women tear up these strip clubs now. It's usually more women than dudes in them now.

or is there a better club now.

epicenter -> uptown cabaret -> midnight diner was a very common night for us back when my buddies lived down there.

everything still ends at Midnite Diner.


I got kids now so ionno.

because she was through with the games that guys were putting her through.

Why was the lesbian chick the first person she dated that put hands on her though?



>and when I used to hit up the little hood bar the stories
>were crazy as shit.
>
>These women tear up these strip clubs now. It's usually more
>women than dudes in them now.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and one thing I noticed is when a female says she left dudes alone cause they were messy, playing games, cheating, etc...

they ALWAYS end up with a female version of the dudes they swore they would never date PLUS they usually have to fight their way out of the relationship.

some people like/attract shitty people.

think that maybe, just maybe, they themselves are the problem.

"Tamer," only because it involves women.

Like, because of social media, he wouldn't have remained local, and woulda got the respect and love he deserved....BUT, feminists and just regular folks would haaaaaaaaaaaaaate him. It was so much more acceptable back then.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

made my ears bleed.

cus you thought it was fucked how Iceberg manipulated his hoes or because you didnt like how Chappelle approached it?

statesmen.

They are blood sucking leeches.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

He wasn't trying to glorify him. He was trying to make an analogy between how these people operate as blood sucking leeches and compared it to how they industry treated him. I guess in this analogy Chappelle was supposed to be like that woman they kept trying to fuck after she couldn't take anymore.

Actually, you know what, I totally see why you hated this. It's just fucked up and hard to listen to, even if hes trying to make some larger point.

but I hate and am tired of the whole, "the world is just one big pimping game" metaphor.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

just think about that

they aren't rape victims, victims of kidnapping, torture

they are prostitutes and are prosecuted

pimps and johns are prosecuted at staggeringly lower rates, which yes is all abt patriarchy sexism and misogyny

its so trash

i mean yeah legalize everything, but maybe we can start a conversation about rights and liberties by not prosecuting raped kids

has always been one of pimp to hoe.

I never got it either and it is directly tied back to slavery in the US.

I was there--for something else--amongst the #ffffff masses participating in that early St. Pat's Day bar crawl they have.
Homeboy was spitting all the game, with the most silvered tongued vernacular, to the pride of Hoboken--while a gaggle of Hoboken Police stood by, next to me.
Those drunk pre-st.pat's lady revelers were captivated.

part of the dysfunction