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Boogie Stimuli
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"Welp Deontay Wilder got his last check."
Sun Jun-02-24 08:42 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

He got KO'd in the 5th round yesterday by 41 yr old Chinese heavyweight Zhilei Zhang. Zhang is a puncher with good IQ, so there's no shame in it. He had more amateur success than Wilder as well, so it wasn't AT ALL surprising (I picked Zhang to win by stoppage).
Wilder has been an overachiever. He started boxing very late in life and went on to win an Olympic Bronze medal. Got into boxing to make money for his daughter's medical condition and made plenty of it, thanks to Al Haymon and the PBC diet that constantly fed him opponents who were tailor made for him. Eventually, he began to feel he was invincible and wanted to fight Fury. Even after defeat, he couldn't face his limitations or failures and fired the trainer who got him where he was along with publicly disparaging the man and accusing him of foul play. He's only gone downhill from there. His punch output and aggression is lacking to the point that he lost a decision to Joseph Parker without putting up a fight. Now he get stopped by Zhang and is ready to hang it up.
Hey, the guy brought up plenty excitement and did more than he should have. Salute. I hope he enjoys retirement. This isn't the sport to continue in dispassionately.

On another note, this was another incredible card, made possible by Turki Alalshikh. It was a 5 vs 5 Matchroom vs Queensbury card, and Queensbury swept Matchroom (Wilder signed to Matchroom for this fight). Raymond Ford was Nick Ball was the only arguable decision, but it wasn't necessarily a robbery. Daniel Dubois upset Filip Hrgovic by stoppage in the 8th, as everyone expected Hrgovic to win easily.

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Next really good fight day is June 15th. That day includes:
Jun 02nd 2024
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kind of a cheap shot by zhang, reminded me of floyd vs ortiz lol
Jun 02nd 2024
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Idk wtf Wilder was doing.
Jun 04th 2024
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don't understand this at all
Jun 05th 2024
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wtf was that
Jun 04th 2024
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I said the same thing as I watched it.
Jun 05th 2024
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As someone who is a Wilder fan, it's shocking how 'basic' his boxing is
Jun 06th 2024
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To piggyback on some of what Boogie was saying in the op
Jun 07th 2024
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His opponent outweighed him by 68.x pounds
Jun 06th 2024
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Not a lot of boxers regaining form and improving at 39 years old
Jun 07th 2024
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Boogie Stimuli
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1. "Next really good fight day is June 15th. That day includes:"
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Gervonta Davis vs Frank Martin (title fight)
Subriel Matias vs Liam Paro (title fight)
David Benavidez vs Oleksandr Gvozdyk (title fight)
Gary Antuanne Russell vs Alberto Puello

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2. "kind of a cheap shot by zhang, reminded me of floyd vs ortiz lol"
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Sun Jun-02-24 10:03 AM by guru0509

  

          

i know i know protect yourself at all times blah blah

but youd think zhang would want to win in a much more dignified way than a cheap sucker punch while the guy is (stupidly) whining to the ref about god knows what.



>He got KO'd in the 5th round yesterday by 41 yr old Chinese
>heavyweight Zhilei Zhang. Zhang is a puncher with good IQ, so
>there's no shame in it. He had more amateur success than
>Wilder as well, so it wasn't AT ALL surprising (I picked Zhang
>to win by stoppage).
>Wilder has been an overachiever. He started boxing very late
>in life and went on to win an Olympic Bronze medal. Got into
>boxing to make money for his daughter's medical condition and
>made plenty of it, thanks to Al Haymon and the PBC diet that
>constantly fed him opponents who were tailor made for him.
>Eventually, he began to feel he was invincible and wanted to
>fight Fury.


i still feel like he won the fight and the ref should have called it off after fury got KOd, and got a generous 10 count and allowed to rise like the undertaker but thats all in the past now.





Even after defeat, he couldn't face his
>limitations or failures and fired the trainer who got him
>where he was along with publicly disparaging the man and
>accusing him of foul play. He's only gone downhill from there.
>His punch output and aggression is lacking to the point that
>he lost a decision to Joseph Parker without putting up a
>fight. Now he get stopped by Zhang and is ready to hang it
>up.


firing mark breland was stupid as hell on his behalf, got rid of the man who got you were you are to replace him w a motivational speaker


still tho, great career. salute to bronze bomber. I feel like he could still get one more payday in Saudi vs someone but the days of fighting for belts are over

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Boogie Stimuli
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3. "Idk wtf Wilder was doing."
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>i know i know protect yourself at all times blah blah
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>but youd think zhang would want to win in a much more
>dignified way than a cheap sucker punch while the guy is
>(stupidly) whining to the ref about god knows what.

We know the rules. I remember Josh Taylor dropped Jose Ramirez off a break while Ramirez was expected the ref to separate them after stopping the action. I hated how that happened, but boxer's see your face exposed and they punch you. Same here. Wilder did it to himself.


>i still feel like he won the fight and the ref should have
>called it off after fury got KOd, and got a generous 10 count
>and allowed to rise like the undertaker but thats all in the
>past now.


I'm not mad a this view. I always both camp had a point (those who felt either guy won), and I always thought that particular knockdown was the reason the Wilder camp had a point. At the same time, if Wilder should've won that fight, then Tyson should've beaten Buster Douglas, as Douglas got a long count before stopping Tyson. It suck, but it's up to the ref's discretion. I don't think it should be tbh. Either you recover in 10 or you don't. But that's just my opinion.

>firing mark breland was stupid as hell on his behalf, got rid
>of the man who got you were you are to replace him w a
>motivational speaker


Yep. Publicly accusing him of foul play as well. Just ridiculous. And his new trainer is a guy who took a dive when they fought lol. He's regressed so much under Scott.


>still tho, great career. salute to bronze bomber. I feel like
>he could still get one more payday in Saudi vs someone but the
>days of fighting for belts are over

He probably could. I'm totally with him hanging it up tho.


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Kungset
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5. "don't understand this at all"
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Wilder left himself open, and Zhang took advantage

  

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4. "wtf was that"
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I just went and looked based on this thread

cheap shot sure, but like...he's still in the ring, wtf was he thinking?

if that's how he's boxing now, he really really needs to stop doing it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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6. "I said the same thing as I watched it."
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GOMEZ
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7. "As someone who is a Wilder fan, it's shocking how 'basic' his boxing is"
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His power was exciting and his story was really inspirational, but he never really got much better at boxing after a certain point.
He's the type of fighter that had plan A (which was devastating), but if plan A wasn't working, well then you get more plan A. Never a plan B or C.

I want this dude to retire and enjoy his money.

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10. "To piggyback on some of what Boogie was saying in the op"
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I think some of that same stubbornness that got him to where he was as a fighter also limited him from getting better. I don't remember everything Breeland was saying around the time he got let go, but I vaguely remember him saying something along the lines of him having a lot of yes men in his camp. I believe that probably ties into why he hired the trainer that he has now

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Kira
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Thu Jun-06-24 07:39 PM

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8. "His opponent outweighed him by 68.x pounds"
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Bottom line is he either needs to re-train at Detroit's Kronk gym or rehire his old trainer Mark Breland.

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9. "Not a lot of boxers regaining form and improving at 39 years old"
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even as heavyweights. Hope he decides to go live a wealthy and comfortable life.

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