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"OKPW24 - Road to Rasslemania FORTY"


  

          

They're saying the number again! Take that, Vince..you ole nasty mfer!

Let's see:

- Vince is bigtime gone. Who knows how wild the deets go and what % of it we will ever 'know'. What we 'know' is plenty wild enough! You have to figure at least a few more people might end up gone too. We'll see.
- Brock is at least temporarily gone too.
- Kevin Dunn is gone and now the camera work can finally attempt to evolve at least a little. Ain't that nice!? Its nice!
- Cody inches closer to finishing his story. And they're going to make him earn the shit out it.
- THE ROCK AND ROMAN REIGNS are together now? NICE.
- Rollins is hurt but will make Mania allegedly. He's gonna be fine and I'm not worried. He's dope, they love him, and he's EXCELLENT when he has anything coherent to do.
- Big E is still out.
- Punk is out. BOO. But he can still instigate!
- Charlotte out but she's a damn hoss so she'll be back.
- Randy and AJ are back! Whooo! Now, what in the eff are they gonna do!?
- Stone Cold is being coy about doing another match. I WANT IT. His match with KO was gorgeously simple and fun but it still felt 'complete'. Pros wer Pro'ing.
- Whoop That Trick (YEAH!) = one of my favorite things in rasslin right now. And Williams himself is good too. He's gonna kick all up in Carmelo's ass and its gonna be GREAT for both of them. Yes, he's my replacement Velveteen Dream. No, I don't feel guilty about it.
- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
- WALTER Gunther is still out here beating people tf up and I love it.

- TNA is 'back' but they already have shenanigans with the Scott D'Amore. Seems rotten but who knows..its TNA.

AEW is sneaking around trying to be good at certain things but they're cold, so many people are 'done' with giving them a chance. Still:

- Swerve and Hangman are doing good work.
- Smo'a Joe...same thing. He's a fun champ even if he's almost certainly not gonna be a long-term champ.
- Prince Nana's multi-purpose dance antics might be my favorite non-'jimaveli is in love with like 20 women wrestlers' thing going.
- On that woman thing, Broken Toni Storm works on me ~ every single time. She's ridiculous, funny, and a good rassler. She's dropping some A+ promo work vs opponents and the random obscure sexual stuff she's 'sneaking in' is a hilarious touch. She's blowing up announcers almost weekly! History will be kind to this run for sure.
- The Bucks are fun but late af with this jerk heel run. They're gonna cheat their azzes off to beat/retire Sting fo sho. But Darby will be there to dive at them really hard and I'll like that.
- Dalton Castle trying to get to Johnny is also great times.
- Sasha is gonna be fun but I wish she was headed back to WWE to print money with Bayley for the summer.
- Okada might be better off in AEW FIRST but I still want him in WWE at some point. Rainmaker pose tshirts would be easy munny for WWE.
- Ospreay is a wonderful rassler. I hope he stays healthy. He's done a great job of 'getting big enough' for the spots he's gonna be in. Add him to the 'he'd be big fun in WWE at some point' list too.

I hope like hell that AEW forces a title onto Danielson at some point before he's done as a 'full-time act'.

Besides that, MJF has been shutting all the way the fuck up in a corner somewhere, Adam Cole is still not right and it is killing his new group, and Kenny Omega did good to go the doctor when he did or he might've died. Whew! And Ibushi...gees dude...sit your goofy azz down somewhere! And take Jeff Hardy with you!

  

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it's a damn shame that the Bucks and AEW fans will write off legit criti...
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I think this is all to give Sting/Allin a "credible" opponent who...
Feb 16th 2024
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      This is the story of AEW in a nutshell
Feb 16th 2024
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           They've been improving in that area
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Great summary of everything going on, just one thing to add:
Feb 16th 2024
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RE: Great summary of everything going on, just one thing to add:
Feb 26th 2024
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OH SHIT ROCKY’S IN LOUD ASS VERSACE AGAIN
Feb 16th 2024
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lol he had to cut the sleeves off that joint his arms too big
Feb 16th 2024
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Oh, so he still has it a little bit
Feb 16th 2024
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His shirt looked like a dishrag.
Feb 17th 2024
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Zzzzzzzzzz
Feb 17th 2024
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Rock was elite on and Roman felt like a B-Player. I had a ball
Feb 17th 2024
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yeah if the rock gonna be in this bag im up for it
Feb 17th 2024
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It was polished mediocrity
Feb 17th 2024
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Who is saying anything new though?
Feb 17th 2024
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      And some of those things age better than others
Feb 17th 2024
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           Fair enough, for me this completely rejuvenates the angle though
Feb 17th 2024
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                Yeah the last year of The Bloodline has been pretty bad
Feb 17th 2024
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Enjoy some young lion footage of Perfect and Dogface
Feb 17th 2024
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That’s dope! Seeing Curt in that jacket is a trip
Feb 17th 2024
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RE: Enjoy some young lion footage of Perfect and Dogface
Feb 20th 2024
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Also, the smarks in the crowd are going to ruin this
Feb 17th 2024
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These AI Jim Ross covers of wrestling themes are gold:
Feb 17th 2024
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Byron Saxton's interview with Logan Paul
Feb 17th 2024
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Went to an Oasis Wrestling event (Jacob Fatu's promotion)...
Feb 18th 2024
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RE: Went to an Oasis Wrestling event (Jacob Fatu's promotion)...
Feb 19th 2024
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this inspired me. after careful deliberation here my top 5 wrasslin wome...
Feb 18th 2024
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Layla!? I feel seen!
Feb 19th 2024
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maaaaan i forgot about Zelina i might need to redo the list lol
Feb 19th 2024
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Bayley? Mannnnn
Feb 19th 2024
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      I think it had to do with how the gimmick was presented
Feb 21st 2024
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           she didnt really wear flattering gear
Feb 21st 2024
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I was big Melina fan back in the day
Feb 19th 2024
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And Killer Kelly
Feb 24th 2024
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      ayo! i wasn't familiar w/ her game lol
Feb 24th 2024
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Cena’s response to the Vince stuff is… not the greatest!
Feb 21st 2024
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He also in the same interview was adamant he’s never used steroids or ...
Feb 21st 2024
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Orton ain’t a genius and his response was a million times better
Feb 21st 2024
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      I was lowkey impressed with Orton’s answer tbh. Seemed authentic
Feb 21st 2024
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This is where 'shut up and 5 knuckle shuffle' applies.
Feb 21st 2024
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If he keeps this up
Feb 21st 2024
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      Pretty sure that is Dom now
Feb 21st 2024
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           *Tom
Feb 21st 2024
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                Thats what I said
Feb 21st 2024
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Now I’m watching parts of his interview. Why does he dress like this
Feb 21st 2024
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I saw 2.5 great promos last night on -checks notes- Dynamite???
Feb 22nd 2024
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Christian has been GOLD since he got to AEW
Feb 22nd 2024
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      RE: Christian has been GOLD since he got to AEW
Feb 22nd 2024
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Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight
Feb 24th 2024
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RE: Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight
Feb 26th 2024
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RE: Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight
Feb 27th 2024
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1) KO is just the best
Feb 26th 2024
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      re: Logan Paul ... did you see this?
Feb 26th 2024
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           RE: re: Logan Paul ... did you see this?
Feb 26th 2024
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           That's a big part of what I was talking about.
Feb 27th 2024
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RIP Virgil
Feb 28th 2024
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RE: RIP Virgil
Feb 28th 2024
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      I saw him live around the time of that Dibiase feud
Feb 28th 2024
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I sorta admire how candid Riddle is about being a fuck up
Feb 29th 2024
59
*sigh* Ric Flair should not be in a ring in 2024. I can't stress that en...
Feb 29th 2024
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Worth it to have Sting kick ass on live TV one last time.
Feb 29th 2024
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Rock is as exhilarating as Roman is boring
Mar 02nd 2024
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That promo was a lot of fun
Mar 02nd 2024
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And in not-at-all-surprising news, Dwayne goes over by about ten minutes
Mar 03rd 2024
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You can die on that hill if you want
Mar 03rd 2024
65
      Why the fuck would I “die on that hill”
Mar 03rd 2024
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           Sure. I’m, obviously, not actually wishing for your death.
Mar 03rd 2024
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                Lmao I know what it means. This is just a dumb context to use it
Mar 03rd 2024
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AEW’s gotta do something about these PPVs
Mar 03rd 2024
69
i was gonna order it until i saw what Sting's last match would be
Mar 03rd 2024
70
Ospreay/Takeshita was amazing
Mar 03rd 2024
71
They beat the fuck out of each other
Mar 03rd 2024
72
No technical problems on my set. Though I agree BR sucks
Mar 04th 2024
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Jesus christ
Mar 03rd 2024
73
Well, I found Revolution thoroughly entertaining
Mar 04th 2024
75
There’s enough there for AEW to be a wrestling-centric alternative
Mar 04th 2024
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I mean, that's really what they are already
Mar 05th 2024
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RE: Well, I found Revolution thoroughly entertaining
Mar 04th 2024
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      After late career TNA, and the BS WWE pulled with Sting….
Mar 04th 2024
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      People who were mad about the Bucks involvement....
Mar 05th 2024
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           People wanted it to be bad
Mar 05th 2024
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Hot take: Sami Zayn is better than Cody….
Mar 04th 2024
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Not a hot take at all, though I disagree.
Mar 05th 2024
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I'm torn between wanting Sami to win and wanting Gable to win
Mar 05th 2024
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I guess it’s just preference
Mar 09th 2024
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      Ultimately, of course.
Mar 09th 2024
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RE: Hot take: Sami Zayn is better than Cody….
Mar 10th 2024
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Jimmy distracts Jey and costs him the match! WOW!
Mar 04th 2024
80
I think trying to stretch this all to Mania + Roman’s schedule = not g...
Mar 05th 2024
85
Diarrhea? SMH. I’ll take crackhead over that any day.
Mar 05th 2024
82
I thought Cody's half of that was pretty good
Mar 05th 2024
87
OK, so the Bucks may not be my cup of tea
Mar 08th 2024
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The Rock is enjoying himself
Mar 09th 2024
90
sometimes it seems he's the only one who thinks it's a big deal
Mar 09th 2024
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I don’t like Seth either
Mar 09th 2024
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Yep. I’d see Randy as a much bigger threat too.
Mar 09th 2024
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I think I know how the Bmoodline plays out at Mania
Mar 09th 2024
95
Makes sense….
Mar 10th 2024
97
Yeah this makes more sense than a Roman face run
Mar 13th 2024
100
It would be out of character for reigns to keep his word
Mar 13th 2024
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      Agreed, which is why I said it was about Rock keeping his word
Mar 13th 2024
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      seems to me Rock and Reigns are 100% winning Night 1
Mar 14th 2024
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Trick Williams is WINNING
Mar 13th 2024
99
Another great old clip: Sandbag the Captain at your peril
Mar 13th 2024
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I greatly enjoy Samoa Joe as champion
Mar 14th 2024
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I checked in on AEW last night, funny enough AFTER Sasha’s debut
Mar 14th 2024
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      Somebody has to explain HOOK to me.
Mar 14th 2024
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           No, because you already know all about him.
Mar 14th 2024
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                I tihnk his presentation is cool but that's about it.
Mar 14th 2024
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                     Dumbest thing they did was bring back the FTW title
Mar 19th 2024
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Rock just turned in maybe the best segment he’s ever done on WWE TV
Mar 15th 2024
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Lmao this dude couldn’t remember his lyrics
Mar 15th 2024
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RE: Lmao this dude couldn’t remember his lyrics
Mar 17th 2024
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      Oh I’m on board with a good amount of what he’s doing
Mar 17th 2024
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Some white-meat-ass promos tonight
Mar 18th 2024
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Sting was my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd thought. I think that’s where they’re...
Mar 19th 2024
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      when you’re right you’re right
Mar 22nd 2024
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           That was way more boring than I imagined
Mar 23rd 2024
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As good as Cody's promo was
Mar 22nd 2024
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Her casually sipping a beer makes it even cooler
Mar 24th 2024
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Side note: my love for Randy Savage
Mar 25th 2024
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for as shit as Hogans WCW stuff was, Savage's was all great
Mar 25th 2024
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is Raw......not good, but.....maybe not as shitty?
Mar 25th 2024
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nah this shit still ass but at least all the names are showing up
Mar 25th 2024
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      no im convinced now.
Mar 26th 2024
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lmao the rock really kicking it old school on this close to Raw
Mar 25th 2024
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That fuckin ruled
Mar 25th 2024
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      Hear me out- before last night why would Cody have taken the Rock seriou...
Mar 26th 2024
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           you make a fair point actually
Mar 26th 2024
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                Even if they don't stop Rocky from getting involved, it ties the thing t...
Mar 26th 2024
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                     Oh, damn
Mar 26th 2024
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                          I'm pretty sure...
Mar 26th 2024
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                          Whoever's replaced Dunn, the camera work has been out of this world
Mar 26th 2024
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                               the rocks entrance is so fire rn
Mar 26th 2024
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                               When the music changes I gleefully squeal like a child
Mar 26th 2024
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                               RE: Whoever's replaced Dunn, the camera work has been out of this world
Mar 26th 2024
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                               im telling you, the show is less shitty than in years
Mar 26th 2024
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"Your script, fuck that"
Mar 29th 2024
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RE: "Your script, fuck that"
Mar 29th 2024
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Rocky really restoring the feeling rn
Mar 29th 2024
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Pardon what might be a dumb question
Mar 30th 2024
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Starting to think the whole thing is a send up to Dusty
Mar 30th 2024
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      RE: Starting to think the whole thing is a send up to Dusty
Apr 01st 2024
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Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch
Apr 02nd 2024
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RE: Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch
Apr 02nd 2024
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Yeah, this is where I get off the Phil train
Apr 02nd 2024
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hes had people anonymously shitting on him for two years
Apr 03rd 2024
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      So bizarre
Apr 03rd 2024
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      23 months later and im still shocked
Apr 03rd 2024
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      Who says I’m defending them?
Apr 03rd 2024
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           He says no comment to the questions in that interview he get roasted too
Apr 03rd 2024
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           hes giving his side of all this shit for the first time
Apr 03rd 2024
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                "But they did it first!" is not a legitimate argument.
Apr 05th 2024
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                     im not making an argument, and they did *not* do it first
Apr 05th 2024
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RE: Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch
Apr 02nd 2024
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i dont think anything was all that incendiary, or even new
Apr 02nd 2024
148
Yeah, it was a pretty good listen for sure
Apr 02nd 2024
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      one thing i found interesting
Apr 03rd 2024
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           Also, Phil just announced he quit. Why did he still go over?
Apr 11th 2024
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Well, the “official” AEW response is really fucking stupid
Apr 07th 2024
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      AEW really on some loser shit rn
Apr 07th 2024
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           Trips and Punk looking goofy has AEW on their minds...
Apr 07th 2024
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Holy shit you have to watch this
Apr 05th 2024
158
Omos coming out of nowhere made me do a spit take lol
Apr 06th 2024
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keeping the belt on Roman was best for business after all
Apr 06th 2024
161
Carmelo is WHC material. Trick needs another year in NXT
Apr 06th 2024
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RE: OKPW24 - Road to Rasslemania FORTY
Apr 06th 2024
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the rock funny man he gave himself his own belt and the pin on cody
Apr 06th 2024
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RE: the rock funny man he gave himself his own belt and the pin on cody
Apr 08th 2024
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the official really spoiled that for me
Apr 06th 2024
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Night 1 was kinda mid
Apr 06th 2024
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there was obviously a magic missing tonight
Apr 06th 2024
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      I honestly hadn’t thought about the weather as a factor w/ the crowd
Apr 07th 2024
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      Yep, it was cold!
Apr 07th 2024
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      nailed it Jim - B-grade show in 40 degrees becomes a C show quick
Apr 07th 2024
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      Northeast city at nighttime in early April
Apr 07th 2024
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      The Usos lack of chemistry was shocking
Apr 07th 2024
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Uneven show with some good moments. The main event mostly delivered
Apr 07th 2024
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bringing Stephanie out to dance on Vince's grave is something
Apr 07th 2024
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ishowspeed cameo is RANDOM AS FUCK lol
Apr 07th 2024
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he took a potato for his troubles
Apr 07th 2024
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Bayley-Iyo was the match of the weekend thus far for me
Apr 07th 2024
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i love a good guy party at the end
Apr 07th 2024
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Anyone who didn’t enjoy that needs their levels checked
Apr 07th 2024
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we are free!
Apr 07th 2024
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Night Two kicked the everloving shit out of Night One
Apr 07th 2024
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I think Logan is holding that belt to hometown Summerslam
Apr 08th 2024
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Night Two was a blast
Apr 08th 2024
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      The Judgement Day’s rise has truly been a treat
Apr 08th 2024
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      Finn was in a complete babyface black hole too
Apr 08th 2024
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      "i knew that shit wouldnt work...that move sucks!"
Apr 08th 2024
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           "I just wanted to rub his face in it. . .I LOVE whuppin' his ass"
Apr 08th 2024
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           RE: "i knew that shit wouldnt work...that move sucks!"
Apr 08th 2024
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                It’s weird that Vince couldn’t tap into this Big Homie energy
Apr 08th 2024
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                     RE: It’s weird that Vince couldn’t tap into this Big Homie energy
Apr 08th 2024
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Only caught the last two matches
Apr 07th 2024
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They got it right
Apr 08th 2024
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Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)
Apr 08th 2024
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      RE: Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)
Apr 08th 2024
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           RE: Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)
Apr 08th 2024
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                Solo going beast mode at Roman is the move
Apr 08th 2024
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Cody sold over a million in merch this weekend
Apr 09th 2024
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it's amazing considering how well and fully turned on him the AEW crowd ...
Apr 10th 2024
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for the 3rd week in a row, Raw did not suck
Apr 10th 2024
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That Goodfellas shot from Liv beating down Rhea out to the ring. . .
Apr 10th 2024
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      The production has been outstanding lately
Apr 10th 2024
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Has there ever been a happier accident than Cody’s pec tear
Apr 10th 2024
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TK is an absolute imbecile airing this footage
Apr 10th 2024
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Drew and Punk about to cook so good with this shit
Apr 10th 2024
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They certainly didn’t succeed unless something else is coming
Apr 10th 2024
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AEW as we knew them is finished
Apr 10th 2024
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Ding ding ding
Apr 10th 2024
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at least if Cody’s the blueprint
Apr 10th 2024
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RE: at least if Cody’s the blueprint
Apr 10th 2024
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he's the one that got away, for sure
Apr 10th 2024
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      i was referring more to the “take obvious shots at Haitch on AEW TV”
Apr 10th 2024
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           ha, gotcha. I was AT the throne smash show! Wild arc
Apr 10th 2024
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ppl wanted an alternative, they just didnt get one at the end
Apr 10th 2024
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      Under Punk's direction, Collision was leaning into that Sports Feel
Apr 11th 2024
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           i had this thought too
Apr 11th 2024
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           Actually you’re 100% right, great observation,
Apr 11th 2024
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           RE: Under Punk's direction, Collision was leaning into that Sports Feel
Apr 11th 2024
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LMAO Punker just dropped a pic of W under the banner on stories
Apr 10th 2024
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he needs to hand the day-to-day ops to someone else
Apr 11th 2024
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      if hes not the booker/promoter, it has no reason to live
Apr 11th 2024
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this whole thing is a complete exposé
Apr 10th 2024
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It’s especially damaging that Punk’s account is exactly what happene...
Apr 11th 2024
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So Punk never tells the truth, cmon Phil. Well done Does.
Apr 11th 2024
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thats the other galaxy brain part of this
Apr 11th 2024
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      How is there no one with a voice that sees how bad this is?
Apr 11th 2024
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           wrestlers arent the only people sucking at that teat
Apr 11th 2024
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           the main theme I'm seeing are
Apr 11th 2024
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The other thing that BOGGLES THE MIND
Apr 11th 2024
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modern fans arent alone in not "getting" what wrestling is
Apr 11th 2024
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“It’s not a real business” - Phil from Chicago
Apr 11th 2024
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Well, that whole thing was dumb and pointless
Apr 11th 2024
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there were people that liked WCW 2000 too
Apr 11th 2024
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They had maybe one Kidman vs. Elix Skipper match on a 3-hour...
Apr 11th 2024
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Lance Storm was a central part of WCW 2000 TV
Apr 11th 2024
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      Storm was indeed awesome, but they blew every chance...
Apr 11th 2024
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           good wrestlers having "good matches" among horrendous booking you say?
Apr 11th 2024
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                This is why I can't take a lot of the AEW criticism seriously
Apr 11th 2024
243
                     you editorialized the body of your message bc i didnt say that
Apr 11th 2024
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Yung Dragons/3 Count was always outstanding.
Apr 11th 2024
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RE: Well, that whole thing was dumb and pointless
Apr 12th 2024
245
very much here for Bloodline 2.0
Apr 13th 2024
246
Not Jonathan, Jacob
Apr 13th 2024
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      Jonathan sounds like the accountant Fatu, I.R.Uce
Apr 13th 2024
248
Lmao, West Ham playing Cult of Personality at halftime vs Fulham
Apr 14th 2024
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https://i.imgur.com/U3D3ycq.png
Apr 14th 2024
250
Ripley forfeited the title due to injury?
Apr 15th 2024
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yeah she messed her shoulder up when Liv threw her in the wall last week
Apr 15th 2024
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      Damn, the backstage stuff doesn’t actually have to be brutal
Apr 15th 2024
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Rhea is going to get a monster pop when she returns
Apr 16th 2024
254
That continuous shot on Raw
Apr 16th 2024
255
That was really good, but the one they did a couple weeks ago with Roll...
Apr 16th 2024
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      RE: That was really good, but the one they did a couple weeks ago with ...
Apr 16th 2024
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      ik Kevin Dunn somewhere crying in the car
Apr 16th 2024
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idk of anyone cares but Olympic Challenge Trials on Peacock rn
Apr 19th 2024
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magilla vanilla
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Fri Feb-16-24 05:02 PM

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1. "it's a damn shame that the Bucks and AEW fans will write off legit criti..."
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because they're REAL CLOSE to having a bust-ass program going. But!

1) This turn was way too late
2) This program is with the wrong damn guy


If they were going to lean into their EVP status, they could have had a Modern McMahon Austin saga on their hands with Punk. Shit, Colt Cabana as Mideon Elite would have been PERFECT.

Instead, they're mucking up Sting's retirement with this shit, and it's not at all impactful because they're not really talking TO Sting, they're talking past him. When MJF got covered in Punk's blood, it worked like gangbusters because there was a storyline (and real life-ish) reason for him to do that. And he didn't wear the same t-shirt the next week. This- other than "wanting the titles," what reason do they have to go after Sting and Darby? Darby's one of the guys that they wanted to build the company around and Sting gave them legitimacy before the Punk return. The whole thing is JUUUUST a bit outside.

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Fri Feb-16-24 05:50 PM

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2. "I think this is all to give Sting/Allin a "credible" opponent who..."
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...people can believe that they'd lose to. People have to believe that Sting **might** lose that final match, and that their opponents are the most repugnant and obnoxious SOBs ever.

I agree that the lead-up isn't completely working, but I think the pay-off match with Sting riding off into the sunset as a champ will be fine.

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6. "This is the story of AEW in a nutshell"
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>I agree that the lead-up isn't completely working, but I think
>the pay-off match with Sting riding off into the sunset as a
>champ will be fine.

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10. "They've been improving in that area"
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For their 2023 PLEs, there was a mix of good builds to excellent PPVs (Revoltion and All In) and virtualy non-existent builds to great PPVs (All Out and WrestleDream).

I'm "old school" in the sense that I don't care as much about the build-up as long as the event that you're spending money on delivers. It's preferable to "good build to so-so PLEs." (cough, cough, WWE since WM 39, cough).

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3. "Great summary of everything going on, just one thing to add:"
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Shout out to R Truth, one of the funniest people on the planet quite honestly. Every time he’s on my TV I’m happy. It will have to end at some point, but right now I can’t get enough of him being “in” the Judgment Day. When he retires I hope he starts acting in movies.

  

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53. "RE: Great summary of everything going on, just one thing to add:"
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>Shout out to R Truth, one of the funniest people on the
>planet quite honestly. Every time he’s on my TV I’m happy.
>It will have to end at some point, but right now I can’t get
>enough of him being “in” the Judgment Day. When he retires
>I hope he starts acting in movies.

He’s killing me every week for sure yes. He’s on a HOF-level run of actin a fool and adding value to everything he’s involved in.

  

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4. "OH SHIT ROCKY’S IN LOUD ASS VERSACE AGAIN"
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We eatin!

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5. "lol he had to cut the sleeves off that joint his arms too big"
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7. "Oh, so he still has it a little bit "
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He could’ve fried for 30 minutes

  

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9. "His shirt looked like a dishrag."
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https://youtu.be/nttqzW7IjbY?si=yeNg1DDRxY7hyyGJ

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8. "Zzzzzzzzzz"
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https://youtu.be/H_Oa8UF9ifU?si=JRALdnPKCAQwwYva

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12. "Rock was elite on and Roman felt like a B-Player. I had a ball"
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13. "yeah if the rock gonna be in this bag im up for it"
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15. "It was polished mediocrity"
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The polished:

Dwayne’s charisma and presence were elite.

Making Roman look and feel like the little brother is an incredible feat, and Dwayne does it effortlessly.

I agree on that much.

All of that what makes him who he is. You can’t teach that shit.

And it sons everyone who isn’t Austin, though I’m not sure Austin has this gear anymore.

The mannerisms, the body language, the voice, all that was still as good at it was at his peak and he’ll be old and decrepit before it even begins to decline.

Here’s the mediocrity:

The content. The content of his promos was never all that good. We were all in on the moment, but that shit aged poorly and got badly exposed by Cena and Punk a decade ago.

I’m not tripping on the cheap crowd heat either. That’s always enjoyable whenever any good heel does it.

He’s The Rock, a god on the mic- but the best he could come up with was… crybabies?

Bunch of crybaby bitches?

That shit is trash. People we’ll say “but it’s working!”, but that’s immaterial. A lot of things would have worked. Things that aren’t generic retorts an old lady would say to a toddler would have worked too.

But nope, we got two more months of “crybabies”, the weakest bit of name calling we’ve ever seen in pro wrestling at this level since Cookie Puss- also a Rock/Gowertz special.

And no, this isn’t a kayfabe reaction. I’m not being “worked”, brother.

It’s just weak material that’s getting by on the charisma of the person saying it. And we’re stuck with at least two more months of this shiny mediocrity.

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14. "Who is saying anything new though?"
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Seems like it’s all been said and done by this point.

I had fun watching him shit on fans for the first time in forever.

  

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16. "And some of those things age better than others"
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Dwayne’s presence and charisma are god tier.

His content? Not so much. We bought in at the time but that shit aged badly.

“Crybaby bitches” is just embarrassing. It’s not funny or clever, it’s corny and unimaginative.

It’s bad, and not in a mega heel, only the hit dogs will holler way.

It doesn’t have to be new to be good. But this is getting by largely on The Rock’s natural charisma and catering to the nostalgia of older fans.

But some of that content? It’s trash that wouldn’t, or shouldn’t, get past NXT.

I am having fun with the way this is turning out overall, but I’d rather be booing The Rock than rolling my eyes at the stunted attempts at creative from Dwayne and Gowertz.



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20. "Fair enough, for me this completely rejuvenates the angle though "
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I was beyond tired of the Bloodline. Rock joining makes it interesting again.

  

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21. "Yeah the last year of The Bloodline has been pretty bad"
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There are a lot of little things they’re doing well since they pivoted, but there are still problems.

Rock completely overshadowing Reigns is one, but it shouldn’t be this prominent this early and that makes me worry that they’re going to rush that angle and try to cram it into 40 instead of giving it a slow burn that allows it to breathe, build, and crest in time to build to a proper climax heading into 41.

My other concern is that they’re going to do a cut & paste job of Rocky’s turn on The Nation.

Ao that’s the other reason behind my “nothing new”, is that it feels like a textbook Vince hotshot program, which is what if felt like when Dwayne first showed up a few weeks ago.

The Bloodline was the best executed long form story in wrestling *ever* because they gave it time and nuance and added elements strategically, until the aftermath of 39.

Reigns vs Cody II had all those ingredients to give us an epic showdown at 40, but they tried to shoehorn Rock in a way that turned it into a mess.

And while they’ve wisely pivoted, everything they’ve done since Cody introduced Dwayne feels like the creative direction is 75% “It’s The Rock, just have him go out and play the greatest hits they’ll love anything he does”.

I think my concerns will largely be proven correct, even if they have a few high points in the process.

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11. "Enjoy some young lion footage of Perfect and Dogface"
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18. "That’s dope! Seeing Curt in that jacket is a trip"
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30. "RE: Enjoy some young lion footage of Perfect and Dogface"
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>Pre-singlet for both of em!
>https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2tGh5WpCFk/?igsh=MTRkcDhoc2dtc2RvMQ==

Wow! It’s crazy how much better both of em got.

Varsity club was my shit as a kid. When Mike Rotunda showed up as IRS, I recognized him right the fuck off! Haha.

  

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17. "Also, the smarks in the crowd are going to ruin this"
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I never understood cheering for a heel you like

All it does is undercut their efforts

Much as I roll my eyes at some of Dwayne’s mediocre barbs, he’s still delivering like a great heel.

So reward that work by booing the ever-loving shit out of him, because that’s what he’s trying to get.

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19. "These AI Jim Ross covers of wrestling themes are gold:"
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Kingdom:

https://youtu.be/9lAaGGqO6pI?si=XADCuVcv2Sfr6xOn

Thuganomics (Cena’s old theme)

https://youtu.be/QHZiQZ3LctA?si=9LeeVvEWTOaNm9gH


My Way (Limp Bizkit):

https://youtu.be/94AWhB6V7c0?si=yhCecAvVKAdZg8We

This Fire (Punk’s Old Theme):

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22. "Byron Saxton's interview with Logan Paul"
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that was a complete reversal of the last 20-25 years of the evolution of WWE programming

interviewer pitches in, leads it with the microphone in hand, Logan Paul looks into the camera to promote an upcoming sporting event and why it matters, and Saxton pitches back after its done instead of standing there with WWE announcer face looking at someone as they walk off

if the whole show was matches, interviews like this, and 2-3 monologues for the true stars, it would be an instant massive improvement. when endeavor was talking about making it more sports-like i have to think this is a big part of it

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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23. "Went to an Oasis Wrestling event (Jacob Fatu's promotion)..."
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...tonight in Berkeley. It was held at a local brewery and was a "packed" house (75 or so people). Which is pretty good, considering it was pouring rain at the beginning of the evening and there was a WWE house show going on in Oakland.

It was pretty good. Perfectly entertaing indie wrestling. A lot of the guys from Jacob Fatu's dojo, plus other wrestlers from around the state. Juicy Finau (Jacob's protege) was the "host," and Journey Fatu wrestled in the main event. Some of the young guys looked solid but far and away the best in the ring was Titus Alexander, who's pretty universally considered the best young indie wrestler in Northern California. I expect he'll end up somewhere in the next few years.

They run events monthly, so I'll probably go again in March. Should be even better during the spring and summer.

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25. "RE: Went to an Oasis Wrestling event (Jacob Fatu's promotion)..."
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>...tonight in Berkeley. It was held at a local brewery and
>was a "packed" house (75 or so people). Which is pretty good,
>considering it was pouring rain at the beginning of the
>evening and there was a WWE house show going on in Oakland.
>
>It was pretty good. Perfectly entertaing indie wrestling. A
>lot of the guys from Jacob Fatu's dojo, plus other wrestlers
>from around the state. Juicy Finau (Jacob's protege) was the
>"host," and Journey Fatu wrestled in the main event. Some of
>the young guys looked solid but far and away the best in the
>ring was Titus Alexander, who's pretty universally considered
>the best young indie wrestler in Northern California. I expect
>he'll end up somewhere in the next few years.
>
>They run events monthly, so I'll probably go again in March.
>Should be even better during the spring and summer.

Nice! That sounds fun. I want to believe that we’re getting Jacob Fatu in WWE at some point.

It’s been way too long since I’ve been to Booker T’s ROW. Last time I went, they did the thing where a heel keeps on yapping until Booker came out and kicked his ass. It was obviously coming and it was still awesome and fun! And it was so long ago that Booker still hit the Spinarooni. And of course, he looked HUGE cuz he’s a big man.

I was down with him since GI Bro so I loved when he started getting shine..even when WCW was horrible and they had him doing a fake ass Rock Bottom as another finisher. His TNA run and the King Bookah stuff was also grand.

  

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24. "this inspired me. after careful deliberation here my top 5 wrasslin wome..."
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>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!

cause im not gonna lie at least 50% of the reason i make a point to watch NXT over any other wrasslin show is the women. we are truly in a blessed era for eye candy. i have always held Trish Stratus and Layla as my gold standard historically but NXT prob got like 15 women as fine them lol

so here we go. this gonna include some AEW people cause they got em too

Honorable Mentions
1. Lash Legend - literal brickhouse. it shouldnt be possible to be that thick at 6'
2. Rhea Ripley - i'm not really into the goth thing IRL but she carries it sexy as hell and she was always very pretty before the character transformation
3. Anna Jay - honestly the first time i saw her i wondered why she even wrestled. she could just be a real model.

Top 5
5. Gigi Dolin - best ass in the biz
4. Tiffany Stratton - i thought she was kinda cute before but the implants really completed her look. cold af in the ring too she got the best moonsault in the business
3. Jade Cargill - nothing needs to be said here
2. Leila Grey - total package she just cant wrestle but if you on TV next to Jade and can catch my eyes you cold
1. Jaida Parker - this how i knew HBK really had the vision***. get fine, athletic women that's already popping on IG and coach them up. but she has taken to wrasslin way quicker than i expected

***IDK if she will stick around long enough to make waves, but if she does Jazmyn instantly is going in my top 3.

and that aint even mentioning some of my other favorites like Skye Blue, Roxanne Perez, Fallon Henley, Elektra Lopez, Jakara Jackson, i could go on. we are in blessed times.

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26. "Layla!? I feel seen!"
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Layla and Trish are two of my favs ever. Layla was out of this entire world to me. Mickie James too.

And yeah Anna Jay has EVERYTHING.

And don’t start me on Molly Holly or Pamela Paulshock either. I’m not the right person to ask about AJ, Aksana, and a bunch of others. Sarita and Zelina Vega back in TNA as a tag team!? Yes!

And yes, NXT has lots of women segments the way people claim they want them. And yes, there’s fine all up around that show every single week. A lot of those women are already decent rasslers with distinct characters. WWE’s women’s rasslin is in position to cook for years to come.

When Skye Blue kept wrestling Toni Storm, I felt like I was witnesses booty history! Haha. I was watching them shits like it was Steamboat and Flair. I was hoping they’d do a Booker T/Benoit 7 match series! Red Velvet is serious too. It’s so many good looking women out here rasslin! Lola Vice! Sheesh!

And it’s wild that people ‘figured out’ that Bayley was holding all of a sudden. I was in on her for a loooooooong time. Naomi is still gorgeous. And Sasha has some stuff too. I hope she does good stuff in AEW for a while then Haitch can talk her back to WWE for a bit before she retires to act or whatever.

>>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
>
>cause im not gonna lie at least 50% of the reason i make a
>point to watch NXT over any other wrasslin show is the women.
>we are truly in a blessed era for eye candy. i have always
>held Trish Stratus and Layla as my gold standard historically
>but NXT prob got like 15 women as fine them lol
>
>so here we go. this gonna include some AEW people cause they
>got em too
>
>Honorable Mentions
>1. Lash Legend - literal brickhouse. it shouldnt be possible
>to be that thick at 6'
>2. Rhea Ripley - i'm not really into the goth thing IRL but
>she carries it sexy as hell and she was always very pretty
>before the character transformation
>3. Anna Jay - honestly the first time i saw her i wondered why
>she even wrestled. she could just be a real model.
>
>Top 5
>5. Gigi Dolin - best ass in the biz
>4. Tiffany Stratton - i thought she was kinda cute before but
>the implants really completed her look. cold af in the ring
>too she got the best moonsault in the business
>3. Jade Cargill - nothing needs to be said here
>2. Leila Grey - total package she just cant wrestle but if you
>on TV next to Jade and can catch my eyes you cold
>1. Jaida Parker - this how i knew HBK really had the
>vision***. get fine, athletic women that's already popping on
>IG and coach them up. but she has taken to wrasslin way
>quicker than i expected
>
>***IDK if she will stick around long enough to make waves, but
>if she does Jazmyn instantly is going in my top 3.
>
>and that aint even mentioning some of my other favorites like
>Skye Blue, Roxanne Perez, Fallon Henley, Elektra Lopez, Jakara
>Jackson, i could go on. we are in blessed times.

  

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27. "maaaaan i forgot about Zelina i might need to redo the list lol"
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28. "Bayley? Mannnnn"
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I remember for the longest by boy kept saying Bayley got the best ass in the business during her hugger gimmick and me and another friend couldn't see it and thought he was buggin. Then its like when she turned heel we both got on board with him lol. I didn't know she had it like that!

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31. "I think it had to do with how the gimmick was presented"
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Hugger-era Bayley was all about looking up to her colleagues and being a starstruck kid in there who loves wrestling. So while she had that high pony and streamers, you could have been forgiven for feeling guilty for looking.

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41. "she didnt really wear flattering gear"
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i remember watching wrestling w/ my dad and he pointed it out to me and i just flat out did not see it at all. and he took its as an opportunity to give me a lesson in scouting and i have to say he was 100% right and it helped my eyes out lol

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29. "I was big Melina fan back in the day"
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Now it’s Sasha.

  

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46. "And Killer Kelly"
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It took me way too long to bring her up but she is my jam all the way. And it’s like she figured out that people were into her and got the exact right gear for herself. And it’s been over ever since. She has at least one gif every big TNA show she’s on.

https://x.com/thisistna/status/1761211818075111781?s=46&t=vl1il0YiRG1vMyv_ruViqg

The positive is obvious! Hehe

>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
>
>cause im not gonna lie at least 50% of the reason i make a
>point to watch NXT over any other wrasslin show is the women.
>we are truly in a blessed era for eye candy. i have always
>held Trish Stratus and Layla as my gold standard historically
>but NXT prob got like 15 women as fine them lol
>
>so here we go. this gonna include some AEW people cause they
>got em too
>
>Honorable Mentions
>1. Lash Legend - literal brickhouse. it shouldnt be possible
>to be that thick at 6'
>2. Rhea Ripley - i'm not really into the goth thing IRL but
>she carries it sexy as hell and she was always very pretty
>before the character transformation
>3. Anna Jay - honestly the first time i saw her i wondered why
>she even wrestled. she could just be a real model.
>
>Top 5
>5. Gigi Dolin - best ass in the biz
>4. Tiffany Stratton - i thought she was kinda cute before but
>the implants really completed her look. cold af in the ring
>too she got the best moonsault in the business
>3. Jade Cargill - nothing needs to be said here
>2. Leila Grey - total package she just cant wrestle but if you
>on TV next to Jade and can catch my eyes you cold
>1. Jaida Parker - this how i knew HBK really had the
>vision***. get fine, athletic women that's already popping on
>IG and coach them up. but she has taken to wrasslin way
>quicker than i expected
>
>***IDK if she will stick around long enough to make waves, but
>if she does Jazmyn instantly is going in my top 3.
>
>and that aint even mentioning some of my other favorites like
>Skye Blue, Roxanne Perez, Fallon Henley, Elektra Lopez, Jakara
>Jackson, i could go on. we are in blessed times.

  

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48. "ayo! i wasn't familiar w/ her game lol"
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i dont really watch TNA like that.

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32. "Cena’s response to the Vince stuff is… not the greatest!"
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https://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/john-cena-on-his-relationship-with-vince-mcmahon-i-love-the-guy

Not as bad as Kevin Nash’s, but still. He’s talking about it as if it’s an obstacle being put in Vince’s way and Vince will surely redeem himself. Yeesh.

  

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33. "He also in the same interview was adamant he’s never used steroids or ..."
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The key difference between Cena and Rock is I think Rock at least is not an idiot. Cena’s a meathead moron. And if you actually just -hear- him talk he just bloviates. He’s so uncool.

  

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35. "Orton ain’t a genius and his response was a million times better"
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>The key difference between Cena and Rock is I think Rock at
>least is not an idiot. Cena’s a meathead moron. And if you
>actually just -hear- him talk he just bloviates. He’s so
>uncool.

I know he loves Vince, but I still expected better than THIS.

  

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42. "I was lowkey impressed with Orton’s answer tbh. Seemed authentic "
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“This man changed my life but this is horrific” is really all there is

  

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34. "This is where 'shut up and 5 knuckle shuffle' applies."
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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36. "If he keeps this up"
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He will no longer be R-Truth’s childhood hero

  

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37. "Pretty sure that is Dom now "
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38. "*Tom"
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39. "Thats what I said "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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40. "Now I’m watching parts of his interview. Why does he dress like this "
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43. "I saw 2.5 great promos last night on -checks notes- Dynamite???"
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I haven't watched Dynamite in like two years, but scrolling Twitter last night I saw some bits that I thought were excellent - and it was all promo work, no flip around unsafe indie bullshit

Sting + Darby:
What an authentic way to put even more heat on a match. Sting comes off like a pensive old Samurai. This rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfqrcm-o2Rg

Wardlow:
just about everything Wardlow says is right. He needs to get to NXT asap, or at least be deliberately solo. He's a raw diamond that needs polishing but I was reminded that his upside is still so high
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48TSZaNfwRM&pp=ygULYWV3IHdhcmRsb3c%3D

Christian:
this Garcia kid has the personality of a throw rug but Christian's viciousness here is a blast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFwQxBdbWM4

  

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44. "Christian has been GOLD since he got to AEW"
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Consistently the highlight of the show.

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45. "RE: Christian has been GOLD since he got to AEW"
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>Consistently the highlight of the show.

Yes. They set up his heel turn very well. And since he turned, his mission to have 'no redeemable qualities' has been gorgeous work that should be studied by future would-be heels. Its a party of absurd villainous activity and I love it. If he was like 10 years younger, he'd NEED TO BE the main champion. As is, I still wouldn't hate it. The issue with his run is that he can only lose the title once his 'family' finally tires of his shit and turns on him. But hey, that's working out amazingly for WWE! Hehe

  

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47. "Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight"
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I realize Nia was born in Australia and all but nah

Mami deserved a better opponent tonight

She cane right down on one of the monitors on that table spot. I hope she’s ok because Mami vs The Man is as marquee as anything else on Mania IMO.

The rest of the show was cool.

The Grayson Waller show actually served a purpose. I wonder if we get Rock vs Cosy on night 1.

Both EC’s had their spots but nothing particularly memorable. The AJ/LAK spot was whatever. I’m cool on Knight right now.

I will say Logan Paul’s brass knuckle shot looked incredibly stiff.

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49. "RE: Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight"
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>I realize Nia was born in Australia and all but nah
>
>Mami deserved a better opponent tonight
>
>She cane right down on one of the monitors on that table spot.
>I hope she’s ok because Mami vs The Man is as marquee as
>anything else on Mania IMO.
>

I think Rhea's gonna have the reign Roman's had, with the difference being - barring injury - she's going to be on TV plenty. She's going to be the first female MEGA star ala Reigns and Cody, or H, Rock, Austin etc. She's the perfect female wrestler. My daughter is just obsessed right now. It's so cool that the first pro wrestler my daughter is into is a woman.

>
>The Grayson Waller show actually served a purpose. I wonder if
>we get Rock vs Cosy on night 1.

I'm starting to think this is a Departed/Internal Affairs situation - Rock's aligned with Cody, while Seth's a Roman plant.



  

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54. "RE: Rhea is a true superstar. She deserved better than Nia Jax tonight"
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>I'm starting to think this is a Departed/Internal Affairs
>situation - Rock's aligned with Cody, while Seth's a Roman
>plant.

I just had a "YES!...wait...NO!" moment with that. That would seem a bit of overbooking to me, but this is right in line with how Trips and Rock would do things in the Attitude Era so this wouldn't surprise me one bit. I'd prefer it to keep it the same, but if the lead up to it is compelling and really surprising I'd be into it.

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50. "1) KO is just the best"
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Dude's behavior in the pod was hilarious. I mentioned how well Cody walks the character a few months back. KO has gotta be up there.

2) Logan Paul is just so good at this. I'm glad this is the only forum I encounter him in though.

3) Tiffy is going to be a massive, massive star once she gets a story she can sink her teeth into. Every other part of her act is outstanding.

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51. "re: Logan Paul ... did you see this?"
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this is, like, the funniest WWE thing I've ever seen hahahaha
https://x.com/_kennythoughts/status/1761542631639695786?s=20

  

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52. "RE: re: Logan Paul ... did you see this?"
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>this is, like, the funniest WWE thing I've ever seen
>hahahaha
>https://x.com/_kennythoughts/status/1761542631639695786?s=20

This was grand tomfoolery. Logan Paul is staring in the face of making a bunch of money with this rasslin thing if he can stay his meathead azz outta trouble long enough.

  

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55. "That's a big part of what I was talking about. "
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He's really good (like Orton, like KO, like Cody) at things that play well for the crowd and on TV.

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56. "RIP Virgil"
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Dude had a great run while in Memphis as Soul Train Jones. I really thought he'd go up to the WWF and at best be a tag team champ a few times in his career but it didn't pan out.

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57. "RE: RIP Virgil"
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>Dude had a great run while in Memphis as Soul Train Jones. I
>really thought he'd go up to the WWF and at best be a tag team
>champ a few times in his career but it didn't pan out.

After he paid off the three-year storyline by having him beat DiBiase at the 1991 Summerslam, they never figured out what to do with him, and by the Royal Rumble, he was a Jobber to the Stars.

His work as Virgil was legendary. And his rebirth as social media personality certainly got people talking.

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58. "I saw him live around the time of that Dibiase feud"
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First time I’d seen wrestling live. Virgil was so over, I remember him getting the loudest cheers of anyone that was on the card that night.

  

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59. "I sorta admire how candid Riddle is about being a fuck up"
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imagine being a coke-blowing , porn star f*cking, MMA-fighting pro wrestler

that's a wild boy

if he had any brain cells he could actually leverage all of this into a new age Nature Boy gimmick. But he's probably just a more violent Jeff Hardy.

  

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60. "*sigh* Ric Flair should not be in a ring in 2024. I can't stress that en..."
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I KNOW, you can't talk about Sting without talking Ric. I KNOW after all this time Ric does not know how to walk away. I KNOW Tony Khan does not know how to keep his talent in line.

But Ric Flair double-turning in one segment and selling a nut shot in Year of Our Lord 2024 is something that we did not need for the go-home of Sting's last match. I hope like hell he is not involved in the actual match but KNOW he's going to figure in the finish.

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61. "Worth it to have Sting kick ass on live TV one last time."
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Descends from the rafters and destroys the Bucks. That's a great final TV appearance.

Unfortunately, it leads me to believe that Sting and Darby are going to lose. Which would be the worst booking decision AEW ever makes if they go through with it.

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62. "Rock is as exhilarating as Roman is boring "
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Mania will be a blast, and having heel Rock around has been a treat. But it’s just -so- time to get off of Roman Reigns.

  

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63. "That promo was a lot of fun"
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Crowd seemed really into it.

  

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64. "And in not-at-all-surprising news, Dwayne goes over by about ten minutes"
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Cutting other things short as a result.

It’s funny because my reaction when I watched was, this is cool but it could have been done to greater effect in half the time.

It was his best segment so far (which isn’t saying much) but goddamn did he milk that shit.

They’ve managed to pivot quite well after initially shitting the bed with it, but there’s still too much sloppiness and far too much overlooking that sloppiness because “but it’s The Rock!”.

Among everyone involved, he’s still executing the worst even if he’s getting all the praise, because a lot of that praise is still based in nostalgia, not his current work.

His heel work is cheap heat 101. The same, low common denominator “shit on the city!” bullshit🥱. It’s a crutch that works because of presence and charisma, but that’s rookie shit and he leans way to hard on it. He’s a well polished hack right now.

Conversely, Drew is working absolute magic as a heel right now, keeping his Punk feud alive while dealing directly with the goal in front of him

Roman is doing great work with body language and facial expressions.
Heyman is doing great Heyman work.
Seth is intriguing because he’s almost to eager to have Cody’s back.

Cody’s had some questionable promo moments “I’m not taining fire in Rock because I was a fan!🤦🏼‍♂️ But he’s still doing actual storytelling and has done great outside of those moments and his last segment- minus that stupid line- was fantastic character work.

Rock is all style, no substance, playing to the lowest common denominator and he’s being outworked by everyone except maybe Jimmy right now.


That’s literal

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65. "You can die on that hill if you want "
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Rock’s been a blast to me

  

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66. "Why the fuck would I “die on that hill”"
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It’s an opinion about pro wrestling

Not a life or death proposition.

This is a really weird context to use that phrase.

But hey, if you’re super impressed and excited about other, current performers getting their time cut so that a guy twenty years past his prime can take ten minutes calling people crackheads- OMG THAT’S SO HILARIOUS AND CLEVER😂-cool.

First it was crybabies
Now it’s crackheads.

Where does he come up with these brilliant insults?

But it’s all good. Whatever makes you happy.

But it’s still just an opinion about pro wrestling.

Not a “hill to die on”🙄

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67. "Sure. I’m, obviously, not actually wishing for your death. "
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68. "Lmao I know what it means. This is just a dumb context to use it"
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If I were an influencer or podcaster catering to middle aged nostalgia, then yeah

Pointing out that Dwayne’s done nothing but pick the lowest of low hanging fruut this entire time would be a hill to die on, because I’d lose subs, clicks, then advertisers.

It’s dumb to use it in the context of an inconsequential opinion.

“I disagree” makes sense in this context

“If you want to die on that hill” is just melodramatic nonsense

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69. "AEW’s gotta do something about these PPVs"
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I’m seeing they had all kinds of problems tonight.

I almost ordered it, but paying $50 for one event on a janky ass platform stopped me.

When we can watch Wrestlemania for $6, they gotta figure something better out than this.

  

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70. "i was gonna order it until i saw what Sting's last match would be"
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now im extra glad

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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71. "Ospreay/Takeshita was amazing"
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that said, paying for this never crossed my mind lol

The commentary is also embarrassingly amateur

  

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72. "They beat the fuck out of each other "
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74. "No technical problems on my set. Though I agree BR sucks"
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They need to sign the streaming deal with Max ASAP.

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73. "Jesus christ"
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75. "Well, I found Revolution thoroughly entertaining"
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Possibly one of their best ever.

First, for the main event, it was great. And it ended the right way. Darby is fucking insane and really did look like he killed himself with the broken glass spot. Sting fighting off the Bucks to end it was great stuff. Sting went out with nothing left in the chamber and let everyone go home happy. As he should.

Osprey vs. Takeshita was great. Osprey was the most over non-Sting wrestler of the night and already the biggest babyface in the company. They need to strap a rocket to his ass and have him win the belt at All In.

The World Title match was sandwiched in a weird position, but it there was some great wrestling and psychology going on, especially with Hangman continuing to loose it as things progressed. There was no bad choice for a winner, but I do think Joe was the best choice. I do think Swerve eventually deserves a dolo championship program. Maybe as Osprey's first challenger.

Other really good matches: Kingston vs. Danielson, BCC vs. FTR, Christian vs. Daniel Garcia. Women's title match was solid. Strong going over was the right choice, and I'm happy KOR is back.

The only thing that was a mixed bag with the eight man scramble match, which was messy as fuck at times. Would have been better if they real could have done "Meat Madness," but... injuries suck.

So, yeah, a lot of great stuff, and a great way to end Sting's career.

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76. "There’s enough there for AEW to be a wrestling-centric alternative "
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Joe, Ospreay, MJF, Okada, Danielson, Swerve, Hangman, Wardlow, Hobbs…this should be the stable of serious singles wrestlers who at different times vie for the title. If storytelling is AEW’s weakness then just make the story high-level competition.

Their women’s wrestling is generally poor. I don’t know that even Mercedes can help that. The Toni Storm gimmick is fun but that match last night nearly derailed the night’s momentum.

There’s still so much stuff I can’t stomach - Cassidy, Darby Allin, “BCC”, and most importantly Jericho…and the pace of these matches with less experienced talent is just way too reckless.

  

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83. "I mean, that's really what they are already"
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But people complain that there's not enough story or build-up.

>Joe, Ospreay, MJF, Okada, Danielson, Swerve, Hangman,
>Wardlow, Hobbs…this should be the stable of serious singles
>wrestlers who at different times vie for the title. If
>storytelling is AEW’s weakness then just make the story
>high-level competition.

I'd add Christian, Daniel Garcia, Mark Briscoe, Takeshita, Claudio, the HOB guys, and a few others to that list.


>Their women’s wrestling is generally poor. I don’t know
>that even Mercedes can help that. The Toni Storm gimmick is
>fun but that match last night nearly derailed the night’s
>momentum.

Eh, I think it is getting better. I'd go as far to say that Toni Storm is currently the best "character" since the OG Broken Matt Hardy. But something isn't **quite** working out once she hits the ring. But they have some interesting young talent as well.

>There’s still so much stuff I can’t stomach -

>Cassidy
As I mention below, I've like the guy. Overall, his run from the first Forbidden Door against Osprey to his rematch with Moxley was pretty impeccable. But I ageree he needs a break.


>Darby Allin,

Don't know to tell you there. He's consistently entertaining and has a lot of great match.

>“BCC”,

I agree that overall, they were better when Regal was there. I understand some people really don't like Moxley. But Danielson and Claudio are impeccable to me.

>and most importantly Jericho…

Jericho was very important in the beginning of AEW. I'd say that he peaked around Double or Nothing 2021, and whenever they've tried to put him in the top of the card since, it's been very diminishing returns. And some of his feuds have been BRUTAL (Adam Cole, the Don Callis stuff). That said, he does put the right people over all the time time now. And has gotten his ass kicked clean by guys like Hobbs, Takeshita, and Action Andretti.

  

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77. "RE: Well, I found Revolution thoroughly entertaining"
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>

AEW has some grace with me for a while now based on Hangman’s work to help Swerve’s borderline inevitable title win go over huge and how The Bucks showed their asses to make sure Sting went out right. The whole run, Sting got treated like a special attraction and it was mostly fun as all get-out. And he tried to pay if forward by taking some risks and being very complimentary of the company all the way through. Everyone won out on that deal for sure.

I’m bored of him but I like OC well enough. His ‘barely winning matches cuz he’s better than he gets credit for being and he’s a tough dude who cares’ story is REALLY GOOD. But it was time for him to get beat and boy did he!

Possibly one of their best ever.
>
>First, for the main event, it was great. And it ended the
>right way. Darby is fucking insane and really did look like he
>killed himself with the broken glass spot. Sting fighting off
>the Bucks to end it was great stuff. Sting went out with
>nothing left in the chamber and let everyone go home happy. As
>he should.
>
>Osprey vs. Takeshita was great. Osprey was the most over
>non-Sting wrestler of the night and already the biggest
>babyface in the company. They need to strap a rocket to his
>ass and have him win the belt at All In.
>
>The World Title match was sandwiched in a weird position, but
>it there was some great wrestling and psychology going on,
>especially with Hangman continuing to loose it as things
>progressed. There was no bad choice for a winner, but I do
>think Joe was the best choice. I do think Swerve eventually
>deserves a dolo championship program. Maybe as Osprey's first
>challenger.
>
>Other really good matches: Kingston vs. Danielson, BCC vs.
>FTR, Christian vs. Daniel Garcia. Women's title match was
>solid. Strong going over was the right choice, and I'm happy
>KOR is back.
>
>The only thing that was a mixed bag with the eight man
>scramble match, which was messy as fuck at times. Would have
>been better if they real could have done "Meat Madness,"
>but... injuries suck.
>
>So, yeah, a lot of great stuff, and a great way to end Sting's
>career.

  

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78. "After late career TNA, and the BS WWE pulled with Sting…."
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it was nice to see AEW get it right and let him go out strong. His entire run there was handled well. Respect.

Also, the commentator mentioned Sting a little earlier on Raw, and as soon as the other guy started to talk about it being a good match, the subject was changed very quickly lol. But at least they mentioned it.

  

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81. "People who were mad about the Bucks involvement...."
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...were being really weird. First of all, Sting WANTED and REQUESTED to work with them at the end. Second, as I said in this thread they were the prefect heels foils for this feud. You couldn't pick a better team that fans would absolutely HATE winning. The Bucks are 100% aware of what some fans think of them, and they absolutely played into that, not even vaguely attempting to be "cool" heels. They were assholes, showed a ton of ass on Sting's last Dynamite and in the final match, and took the very clear and unambiguous loss to send off the Icon right.


I think OC as International Champ peaked when he beat Moxley in the re-match. That was been aeven more epic if not for the acccidental Fenix reign. But most of his second reign was pretty forgettable. And they've been build to him losing THAT way for about six months or so. It's time for him to take a break and be off of TV for a while.

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88. "People wanted it to be bad"
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The Bucks hate I suspect was a lot of the Cornette crew just wanting something to complain about. You're right, Sting could choose whoever he wanted to and he picked The Bucks.

The man got to go out however he wanted to in an extremely entertaining way at that. They sold their asses off for him. AEW has its faults for sure, but the straight up hate is just weird.

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79. "Hot take: Sami Zayn is better than Cody…."
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and had the better “story” to finish with the Bloodline.

  

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84. "Not a hot take at all, though I disagree. "
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I can see and respect that argument, particularly given that his story was an integral part of the Bloodline.

That said, the payoff to his story was arguably perfect with a Night One win with KO.

The biggest (and only real) problem with it was the dog shit storytelling they did with both teams since that night- but they can flip that into a pretty good overall arc for Sami if they give him the significant honor of dethroning Gunther at Mania.

I think Cody’s a better overall personality and promo, though, and I don’t think it’s particularly close. As far as straight up wrestling goes, I give Sami the edge but I don’t think there’s much of a gap, Generico indy cred and all.

I’m curious to see your thoughts on what makes Sami better though.

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86. "I'm torn between wanting Sami to win and wanting Gable to win"
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Either one of those dudes would bring the house down at Mania, and a Gable/Gunther Mania match has the potential to be up there with Taker/HBK and Savage/Steamboat. (Hell, I thought the Triple Threat last year was the match of the weekend)

On Cody vs. Sami, what I will give Sami is that he can be a good promo when he doesn't have a clear opponent. Whereas when Cody doesn't have a focus, or his motivation isn't the big prize, we get that Ogogo promo where he solved racism.

BUT! Cody is among the very best at walking the character in between beats, and the dude even sold Stardust hard when he wasn't feeling it.

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93. "I guess it’s just preference"
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I enjoy his matches and mic work more. I don’t know - Cody is fine but just isn’t that interesting to me.

  

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96. "Ultimately, of course. "
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I was just wondering if you had more specific reasons.

I love Sami too. I just see him as a notch below.

But I think he needs to be the one to dethrone Gunther.

In my fantasy booking brain, I’d love to see him do it as his NXT iteration; trim the hair and beard, go back to the pork pie hat, and come out to his dance. I doubt that happens, but still.

I think giving him the win over Gunther would be a massive Mania moment. Gable could pull off an incredible match but nothing would be more emotionally or creatively impactful than Sami getting that honor.

It would be as memorable as anything else we get for 40.

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98. "RE: Hot take: Sami Zayn is better than Cody…."
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>and had the better “story” to finish with the Bloodline.

I'm not the right person to ask for disagreement on this. Sami is ~ my favorite 'whitemeat babyface' in the last 15-ish years. His NXT run is part of why I still watch this stuff. He was purely excellent. His work with Claudio/Cesaro. His title win. His inevitable loss to KO. His red carpet treatment of Nakamura. All of it.

And cuz he's such a nerd, his injuries and false starts on the main roster played well into his heel run having 'reasons' and weight. And duh, I'm a sucker for the conspiracy theory stuff (Jericho and Sami btw).

And then, when he got in with the Bloodline....*Lil Wayne shaking his head meme.gif* or *Vince almost crying over Andre The Giant.gif*. His inner Sami would not let him keep going along with Roman's bullshit. And when he got that chair, I sat up in MY DAMN CHAIR cuz I 'knew' Sami was gonna at least think about 'doing the right thing' cuz HE IS FUCKING SAMI ZAYN...he's a good fucking dude who went along with some bad shit because he thought nobody cared about him (but KO..kinda). And there it was. My heart grew 50 sizes even though I knew Sami was gonna get his ass kicked and he wasn't gonna win the title.

I am VERY strongly of the opinion that Sami's part 'made' the Bloodline story last longer than it would have otherwise. And hell, even with Sami, the last year of Roman doing the 80s Southern rasslin heel who always cheats thing has been brutal. Still, they have us right where they want us: big show coming up, a path to Roman finally losing is here, and most of us are ready for it. BUT after the last 25-ish years of rasslin, most of us are at least a little scurred that Roman could somehow leave Mania as champ still.

But again, I am very guilty of crediting Sami with these feelings. He is, at least to me, THE WWE wrestler who pushes on everyone to do more sensible things with their characters. Him and KO really. Now look at us...McIntyre is on the run of his life because his character did sensible shit questioning Punk/Rollins/Jey (and he took it too far cuz heels gotta be heels damnit). Rollins is doing what makes sense to him (fighting Roman cuz he feels guilty for turning on him).

  

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80. "Jimmy distracts Jey and costs him the match! WOW!"
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Never seen that before! Jey’s character’s IQ must be about 75, right?

This shit is so corny. And lazy. And boring. Hasn’t been good since Sami lost in Montreal.

I’m thrilled The Rock is back, clowning. First entertaining thing in this storyline since February 2023.

  

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85. "I think trying to stretch this all to Mania + Roman’s schedule = not g..."
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First of all I don’t really know who wanted a Jey Uso v Jimmy Uso feud. Jey’s really popular right now and doing fine, and I don’t think Jey/Jimmy feels like some sort of blood feud. Their split didn’t make sense to begin with.

From the bad “Tribal Rules” match at Summerslam to about now Bloodline has been treading water. As the moments happened I thought every single thing they did made sense up through MITB last year. But then they lost the plot somewhere.

To your point, they should be really thankful Rock showed up , because I’m not sure even Heyman as good as he is could’ve manufactured enough heat around the bloodline going into Wrestlemania

  

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82. "Diarrhea? SMH. I’ll take crackhead over that any day. "
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Rock’s still stuck in high school

But Seth went all the way back to kinder. There’s need to try to make Seth clever, but if they’re going that route, for the love of god, try harder.

that was a mediocre segment overall not at all a worthy response. This is the first time I felt like Seth and Cody weren’t quite holding up their end of this.

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87. "I thought Cody's half of that was pretty good"
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but I'm also not a fan of Seth as a promo. With two exceptions- that first post-Rumble promo where he was boosting the WHC as the workhorse belt and trying to get Cody to fight him, and the Riddle split-screen promo- his promos are a LOT of empty words.

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89. "OK, so the Bucks may not be my cup of tea"
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(I largely did not like Sting's last match- it was nice having Flair and Steamboat *there* but there was no reason for them to get involved- and don't get me started on the big spot everybody loved)

But I am enjoying how they're playing this Okada debut. The way they're talking about him in promos, and the general vibe of taking credit for his excellence is such that when Page and Omega come back, the Okada face turn is going to be epic.

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90. "The Rock is enjoying himself"
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These social media promos are ridiculous and hilarious. He’s going out of his way to be outrageous and heelish. And it’s working.

I’m still guessing this ends with some kind of bloodline turning and tomfoolery plus Cody winning the championship. But it’s fun for me to see Rock acting a damn fool.

>They're saying the number again! Take that, Vince..you ole
>nasty mfer!
>
>Let's see:
>
>- Vince is bigtime gone. Who knows how wild the deets go and
>what % of it we will ever 'know'. What we 'know' is plenty
>wild enough! You have to figure at least a few more people
>might end up gone too. We'll see.
>- Brock is at least temporarily gone too.
>- Kevin Dunn is gone and now the camera work can finally
>attempt to evolve at least a little. Ain't that nice!? Its
>nice!
>- Cody inches closer to finishing his story. And they're going
>to make him earn the shit out it.
>- THE ROCK AND ROMAN REIGNS are together now? NICE.
>- Rollins is hurt but will make Mania allegedly. He's gonna be
>fine and I'm not worried. He's dope, they love him, and he's
>EXCELLENT when he has anything coherent to do.
>- Big E is still out.
>- Punk is out. BOO. But he can still instigate!
>- Charlotte out but she's a damn hoss so she'll be back.
>- Randy and AJ are back! Whooo! Now, what in the eff are they
>gonna do!?
>- Stone Cold is being coy about doing another match. I WANT
>IT. His match with KO was gorgeously simple and fun but it
>still felt 'complete'. Pros wer Pro'ing.
>- Whoop That Trick (YEAH!) = one of my favorite things in
>rasslin right now. And Williams himself is good too. He's
>gonna kick all up in Carmelo's ass and its gonna be GREAT for
>both of them. Yes, he's my replacement Velveteen Dream. No, I
>don't feel guilty about it.
>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
>- WALTER Gunther is still out here beating people tf up and I
>love it.
>
>- TNA is 'back' but they already have shenanigans with the
>Scott D'Amore. Seems rotten but who knows..its TNA.
>
>AEW is sneaking around trying to be good at certain things but
>they're cold, so many people are 'done' with giving them a
>chance. Still:
>
>- Swerve and Hangman are doing good work.
>- Smo'a Joe...same thing. He's a fun champ even if he's almost
>certainly not gonna be a long-term champ.
>- Prince Nana's multi-purpose dance antics might be my
>favorite non-'jimaveli is in love with like 20 women
>wrestlers' thing going.
>- On that woman thing, Broken Toni Storm works on me ~ every
>single time. She's ridiculous, funny, and a good rassler.
>She's dropping some A+ promo work vs opponents and the random
>obscure sexual stuff she's 'sneaking in' is a hilarious touch.
>She's blowing up announcers almost weekly! History will be
>kind to this run for sure.
>- The Bucks are fun but late af with this jerk heel run.
>They're gonna cheat their azzes off to beat/retire Sting fo
>sho. But Darby will be there to dive at them really hard and
>I'll like that.
>- Dalton Castle trying to get to Johnny is also great times.
>- Sasha is gonna be fun but I wish she was headed back to WWE
>to print money with Bayley for the summer.
>- Okada might be better off in AEW FIRST but I still want him
>in WWE at some point. Rainmaker pose tshirts would be easy
>munny for WWE.
>- Ospreay is a wonderful rassler. I hope he stays healthy.
>He's done a great job of 'getting big enough' for the spots
>he's gonna be in. Add him to the 'he'd be big fun in WWE at
>some point' list too.
>
>I hope like hell that AEW forces a title onto Danielson at
>some point before he's done as a 'full-time act'.
>
>Besides that, MJF has been shutting all the way the fuck up in
>a corner somewhere, Adam Cole is still not right and it is
>killing his new group, and Kenny Omega did good to go the
>doctor when he did or he might've died. Whew! And
>Ibushi...gees dude...sit your goofy azz down somewhere! And
>take Jeff Hardy with you!

  

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91. "sometimes it seems he's the only one who thinks it's a big deal"
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Rollins was excellent last night but goofy last Monday
Cody can be too cool and wordy
Roman's just sort of in neural

It all seems pretty serious for Rock. Everything he says and does brings a much needed intensity to the program. I wish he and Heyman would go back-and-forth some.

I know what they're going for is Roman being jealous of Rock, but I need to see them more connected for the nuance to shine through. Like I wish they'd all, even once, wear the same Bloodline shirt...that would level the playing field some optically

  

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92. "I don’t like Seth either "
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Orton as Cody’s partner would be a lot more interesting to me.

  

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94. "Yep. I’d see Randy as a much bigger threat too. "
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It also plays better on the “bloodline” aspect of all this

Rock is straight up bodying Seth with that clown show line, because it’s fucking true and we all know it.

Even more frustrating is that Seth could have killed that noise by coming out Friday to the old Shield music, in his old Shield gear, through the crowd, and presented a more serious demeanor.

Done. Neutralized.

And we’d have character development (provided he doesn’t jump right back to his Designs By Yeezy bullshit) on top of it.

It would also serve a dual purpose in making him look and feel like a threat to Drew.

But nope. We got… whatever the fuck that was. A Shield version of his clown show gear I guess?

He already played himself with his idiotic diarrhea barb.

They need to shift gears with him asap because Rock is eating him alive. I give Dwayne shit for the high school, hacky heel bullshit he did but he got straight to the point last night and it was perfect.

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95. "I think I know how the Bmoodline plays out at Mania"
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Rock said he gives Cody his word that there will be no Bloodline interference if he and Clown Show win.

I think Rock keeps his word, and that’s what sets up Rock vs Reigns.

Night One:

-Cody & Clown win, which is obvious

Night Two:

-Cody is winning/about to win, and Solo attempts to interfere
-Rock intervenes, on some “I gave my word” type shit
-Reigns gets angry and probably distracted by it, leading to Cody’s win

In the aftermath on Smackdown, Rock squashes his beef with Cody, extends his hand, they shake on it, and Reigns comes out to confront Rock

Rock is back to being a babyface overnight and Rock vs Reigns is set in motion

I think Rock holding up the L is a slight misdirect. People seem to be talking double agent with this, but I think Rock’s “betrayal” will simply come by being keeping his word with Cody and that’s sets things off with Reigns.

That’s not my fantasy book, that’s how I think it actually plays out. Probably not to the letter, but I think Rock keeping his word to Cody, creating friction within the Bloodline absolutely happens.

Of course, there’s speculation that the story is heading toward Reigns turning babyface due to Rock’s big-footing him, and maybe that’s how it goes. And they could do that by having Reigns be the one to keep the promise to Cody, but I’d question if that’s the right move.



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97. "Makes sense…."
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As far as Reigns goes - he has cheated to retain the title endlessly for 4 years, so that wouldn’t seem to be the best way to go with him. The Rock hasn’t actually DONE anything heelish yet - he’s just talked shit. No cheating, no underhanded beatdowns, etc. I think it would have to be The Rock who goes face. And yeah, what you said would seem to be the best way to do it. The cheating to retain has gotten beyond played out. It’s happened in every single big match that seemed set up for Reigns to finally lose. It’s boring and predictable at this point - Rock putting a stop to that makes him instantly a face, IMO.

For Roman to ever go face, there has to be a new, equally despicable heel that everybody is sick of and wants to see get what’s coming to him.

Or just have him go away for 6 months, lol. Big stars always get cheered when they first return.

  

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100. "Yeah this makes more sense than a Roman face run"
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I think Reigns will get a nice face run coming out of all this, but not just yet. And people DO want to cheer Rock, just not when he’s in Cody’s way.

  

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102. "It would be out of character for reigns to keep his word "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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103. "Agreed, which is why I said it was about Rock keeping his word"
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-Sig-

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104. "seems to me Rock and Reigns are 100% winning Night 1"
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- a people's elbow pinfall win serves the most casual viewers who will tune in for Rock

- seeds planted for an eventual Rollins/Cody WWE Title program

- they keep saying "Bloodline Rules" for night 2...they wouldn't reveal a brand like "Bloodline Rules" and then not give it to us. Plus, Cody overcoming "the numbers game" night 2 and winning is on some Cena shit which is where I think they're trying to get him.

- is Roman gonna lose two matches in one weekend? He's lost once in four years, and in a tag match.

- Rock/Reigns going over Night 1 extends the shelf life of heel Rock. Say, you do Cody/Rock at Summerslam and Reigns/Rock at Mania next year...you can still go the route of Rock shaking Cody's hand after Cody beats him at Summerslam, flip Rock babyface, set a course for Mania 41 vs Reigns.

  

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99. "Trick Williams is WINNING"
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this dude had one of the greatest finishes to an episode in wrestling history. popped mad shit. whooped 2 niggas asses. and got to tongue down a bad bitch and bout make her pass out. HBK clearly has his favorites lol

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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101. "Another great old clip: Sandbag the Captain at your peril"
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Here’s Captain Mike Rotunda stretching the fuck out of Death Row, a job dude who thought he didn’t have to sell: https://x.com/deepcutswcw/status/1766132621442945316?s=46&t=GMPUia5W6UF0zApqPLIbYg

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105. "I greatly enjoy Samoa Joe as champion "
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Shows up on TV regularly and defends the title often. Character is not a cornball. And he wrestles good matches without all the gymnastics shit.

Enjoying it while it lasts.

  

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106. "I checked in on AEW last night, funny enough AFTER Sasha’s debut "
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There’s enough there to really have something

. There’s too many goofballs and too many bodies on the screen at one time in general…like Jay White needs to get as far as he can from all of these cornballs and just mix in with Ospreay, Joe, etc. It just reeks of WCW’s dying days to have this many men in one ring all doing their shit and over acting within a time crunched segment.

I guess I’m supposed to just know Okada is a big deal, but for those who don’t you sure aren’t going to make him seem like one palling around with those two nerds. Hook’s upside is limitless / pairing him with Jericho doing his own Jericho tribute act evaporates Hook’s cool in seconds.

Like, DAMN man. If they could just single in on select individuals and make them all feel important the way they do Samoa Joe they’d be fuckin cookin. But there’s a dozen titles, “trios”, and just a lot of personalities who aren’t TV-ready clouding what could be a special roster.

I’m sorry to be so literal about it, but can you imagine what Triple H would do with
Joe
Okada
Ospreay
MJF
Jay White
Wardlow
Swerve
Hangman
Danielson
???

How does it all still manage to feel so silly and trivial? That talent pool is as good as WWE’s

  

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107. "Somebody has to explain HOOK to me."
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I watch Dynamite every week and I just don't see it. He's short, he's small, he can't talk, he doesn't seem to do anything in matches other than suplexes and chokeholds...what am I missing?

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108. "No, because you already know all about him."
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The only thing missing is that he’s Taz’s kid.

But you just summarized everything about him that matters, insomuch as it can matter.

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109. "I tihnk his presentation is cool but that's about it."
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Also, the first time they said "cold-hearted handsome devil" my wife said "what?" out loud.

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116. "Dumbest thing they did was bring back the FTW title"
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It made Team Taz look fuckin stupid, and now there's nothing Hook can do that isn't tied to that championship. The original run of the belt only went for a year; this has been going on for three years of aimless bullshit.

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110. "Rock just turned in maybe the best segment he’s ever done on WWE TV"
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No bullshit

Kinda unfair everyone else has to try to keep pace with that guy.

Jesus that was epic

  

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111. "Lmao this dude couldn’t remember his lyrics"
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He really had to read that weak shit live off the page😂

Still leaning in on outdated misogyny with Seth

“Your wife is more popular”

I’m sure that really plays well to dumb meatheads, dudebros who never left high school, and middle aged red pill dorks who think the high school bully/he man woman hater tropes are how real men act.

And still leaning on dumb lines like “crybaby bitches”

This shit is embarrassing, just spitting out bad Attitude Era/pre Ruthless Aggression retreads

He slogged through fifteen minutes of tired schtick before spitting A game venom with the mama Rhodes bit. The Whoop That Trick chant from the crowd, the your welcome line, that’s gold.

He’s at a point where less is a *lot* more. If they trimmed the fat by keeping the Greatest Hits schtick to an obligatory minimum, this would be a great run.

That said, Cody needs to find that Super Cena gear and match his energy. Because the Ric Flair tears are not cutting it.

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112. "RE: Lmao this dude couldn’t remember his lyrics"
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>

It’s all working on me. He’s the heel (at least for now) so I love that he’s unlikable, delusional, childish, petty, and ridiculous. It’s great that his character thinks his newly gained corporate role excuses his behavior. And that his ties with Roman (that he’s all of a sudden so worried about) are being so openly and obviously abused. He’s playing right into the constant internetty cries against him and the not even kinda sneaky cism he’s taking in from the lowest level people who watch this stuff. He’s acting a smooth fool, eating up crazy time online and on-air, hollering, cussing, threatening, offending, and generally making sure that most reasonable people want to see Cody (and Seth) kick his ass all over Philly. Roman’s fate is already sealed too since he been a terrible and abusive character for years. And somehow Cody is positioned as the one to do them in. I watched the AEW crowd decide that he sucked a few years ago. I was bored of reading people twist themselves into knots to swear Cody was soooooo horrible. And one entrance into his WWE return, it was clear that dude was good. By the time he showed up with that bruised titty, he was the man! Haha.

But really, this all works if/when Cody kicks their asses/survives their shady attempts to screw him again.

And the Rock has an excellent history with showing ass, selling, and/or losing when it’s time so I’m not super worried on that end.

And I trust Cody to get the right about of ‘hot and ready to win’ just in time for Mania. If the plan is him winning, it’s gonna be a good one.

He really had to read that weak shit live off the page😂
>
>Still leaning in on outdated misogyny with Seth
>
>“Your wife is more popular”
>
>I’m sure that really plays well to dumb meatheads, dudebros
>who never left high school, and middle aged red pill dorks who
>think the high school bully/he man woman hater tropes are how
>real men act.
>
>And still leaning on dumb lines like “crybaby bitches”
>
>This shit is embarrassing, just spitting out bad Attitude
>Era/pre Ruthless Aggression retreads
>
>He slogged through fifteen minutes of tired schtick before
>spitting A game venom with the mama Rhodes bit. The Whoop That
>Trick chant from the crowd, the your welcome line, that’s
>gold.
>
>He’s at a point where less is a *lot* more. If they trimmed
>the fat by keeping the Greatest Hits schtick to an obligatory
>minimum, this would be a great run.
>
>That said, Cody needs to find that Super Cena gear and match
>his energy. Because the Ric Flair tears are not cutting it.

  

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113. "Oh I’m on board with a good amount of what he’s doing"
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But the pieces where I’m critical are pretty specific, and this segment was a prime example of the good, bad, and ugly of this run.

There’s no getting around how bad the “your wife is more popular than you!” lines have been. It’s a dumb, lazy retort on it’s own, but the fact that it trades on misogyny for it to work just amplifies how bad it is.

“Crybaby” was always a bad insult. It’s dumb, generic shit old people say. It’s cheap, bad, unimaginative, bland, boring, etc.

And yes, he’s playing into the backlash against him. But these *elements* of that aren’t particularly clever or good. It’s also not a viable excuse for it because this is who he’s always been. He’s always brought “high school bully” energy in terms of the content of his promos and that aspect hasn’t aged well at all.

And reading the words was a bad look. It was a lot like when Cena called him out for reading the words off his arm. It’s not reflect of a savvy heel persona, it’s just an example of how rusty he is in the game.

All of which underscores what Seth was saying earlier: he really wasn’t needed.

And he was right. He’s a nice little bonus in certain respects, but he also sucks a lot of air out of the building in a bad way. They had to cut the Stratton/Naomi match short because he went long. There are also reports that at least some talent are frustrated with a double standard when it comes to him having freedom to skirt company policies:

https://itrwrestling.com/news/wwe-talent-irritated-by-apparent-double-standard-surrounding-the-rock/

And my point of contention here is that he’s hitting hard in several respects. The Mama Rhodes bit was fantastic, for example. THAT is an example of playing into the story before us in a relevant, engaging way.

He can abandon the corny high school bully bullshit, stop catering to the lowest common denominator (again, he’s done this his entire career), and trim the unnecessary misogynistic fat (your wife has more fans🙄) and, frankly, he’d be a much better character while using less time to greater effect.

This is a very uneven run and has been from lazy, sloppy start. They *clearly* pivoted and thought that “but it’s The Rock” was all that was needed to make people accept such an idiotic story beat, and they mostly did a good job with that pivot. But it hasn’t been a home-run on Dwayne’s end.

IMO most people are overlooking the obvious, glaring flaws in this run because, hey, it’s the Rock, and Remember When?! sentiment. His overwhelming charisma and presence does a lot of leg work to distract from those flaws, but they’re still there.

There’s zero downside to abandoning the weaker/harmful elements of this presentation and sticking with the good shit.

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114. "Some white-meat-ass promos tonight"
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Sami's "ultimate underdog" shtick paying off big in Philly is going to be glorious, man. Even if he doesn't. Even if he goes the distance and Gunther just barely survives him, it's going to be a wild ride. Also, Gable over his shoulder could be something. I hope they don't wedge him into a triple threat, but I also wouldn't complain if they did.

Cody's was fantastic, though I coulda done without the "sidechick" crack. Sidekick woulda been fine and stuck in Roman the character's craw just fine. Other than that, man, a focused Cody is an excellent Cody. I just hope Jey follows him to Friday no matter what, because otherwise he's in late 80s Sting territory for "being a principled dummy and getting his ass whupped instead."

Shit, even Rollins had a nice promo tonight.

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115. "Sting was my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd thought. I think that’s where they’re..."
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But I think they’ll have the sense to give him the sense that Reigns won’t keep his word, and has something in his back pocket.

So maybe Seth and Jey are there and only show their face until/unless the Bloodline shows theirs, on some “I know better”.

Or maybe Cody “comes alone” in the sense that nobody from Raw comes with him, but Orton and KO are already in the building. They have their program with Logan though, so that’s probably less likely.

I have a hard time seeing this going down as a clean interaction, but maybe that’s the swerve.

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117. "when you’re right you’re right"
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>So maybe Seth and Jey are there and only show their face
>until/unless the Bloodline shows theirs, on some “I know
>better”.
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119. "That was way more boring than I imagined"
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But at least he didn’t get the dumb babyface treatment.

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118. "As good as Cody's promo was"
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he will NEVER come up with as good a line as "you need a room full of strangers to acknowledge your little bitch ass??"

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120. "Her casually sipping a beer makes it even cooler"
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Tbh, only impressive promos through this whole thing have come from Rock. Roman seems too casual, Cody too emotional, Rollins too silly. And for some reason they’ve muzzled Heyman altogether. The high water mark through this whole stretch remains the Vegas press conference, and the second best thing was Rock addressing Mama Rhodes. I can’t really even remember anything else.

  

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121. "Side note: my love for Randy Savage"
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That mfer was crazy for letting that snake bite him. Dude wanted to get back in the ring BADLY!

Watching that A&E Show, I was thinking of the excellent feuds dude was a part of: Steamboat, Jake, Megapowers, DDP, etcetera. Brother was so damn good at giving me the impression that he was mad af and ready to kick somebody's azz. He was a ball of energy 100% of the time and he shaped a lot of my mind about what a good azz rassler is. It seems clear now that working with him took some work, but those damn results man...THE RESULTS!

Even a lot of his nWo stuff was bonkers. Him walking through the halls mad af trying to find people was foundational work damnit! Hehe.

Side note: it is wild af that Warrior beat Hogan and Savage in back to back Manias and somehow still acted a fool to the point that his shit didn't work out.

Side note 2: it blows my mind that Michael PS Hayes is this important figure backstage in WWE and he is usually a lock to be involved somehow with super good shit. And it is just comfy biz to clown his in-ring work. I remember loving his shady azz as a kid. Mfer got heat: cheap, regular price, expensive, didn't matter..HEAT!

>They're saying the number again! Take that, Vince..you ole
>nasty mfer!
>
>Let's see:
>
>- Vince is bigtime gone. Who knows how wild the deets go and
>what % of it we will ever 'know'. What we 'know' is plenty
>wild enough! You have to figure at least a few more people
>might end up gone too. We'll see.
>- Brock is at least temporarily gone too.
>- Kevin Dunn is gone and now the camera work can finally
>attempt to evolve at least a little. Ain't that nice!? Its
>nice!
>- Cody inches closer to finishing his story. And they're going
>to make him earn the shit out it.
>- THE ROCK AND ROMAN REIGNS are together now? NICE.
>- Rollins is hurt but will make Mania allegedly. He's gonna be
>fine and I'm not worried. He's dope, they love him, and he's
>EXCELLENT when he has anything coherent to do.
>- Big E is still out.
>- Punk is out. BOO. But he can still instigate!
>- Charlotte out but she's a damn hoss so she'll be back.
>- Randy and AJ are back! Whooo! Now, what in the eff are they
>gonna do!?
>- Stone Cold is being coy about doing another match. I WANT
>IT. His match with KO was gorgeously simple and fun but it
>still felt 'complete'. Pros wer Pro'ing.
>- Whoop That Trick (YEAH!) = one of my favorite things in
>rasslin right now. And Williams himself is good too. He's
>gonna kick all up in Carmelo's ass and its gonna be GREAT for
>both of them. Yes, he's my replacement Velveteen Dream. No, I
>don't feel guilty about it.
>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
>- WALTER Gunther is still out here beating people tf up and I
>love it.
>
>- TNA is 'back' but they already have shenanigans with the
>Scott D'Amore. Seems rotten but who knows..its TNA.
>
>AEW is sneaking around trying to be good at certain things but
>they're cold, so many people are 'done' with giving them a
>chance. Still:
>
>- Swerve and Hangman are doing good work.
>- Smo'a Joe...same thing. He's a fun champ even if he's almost
>certainly not gonna be a long-term champ.
>- Prince Nana's multi-purpose dance antics might be my
>favorite non-'jimaveli is in love with like 20 women
>wrestlers' thing going.
>- On that woman thing, Broken Toni Storm works on me ~ every
>single time. She's ridiculous, funny, and a good rassler.
>She's dropping some A+ promo work vs opponents and the random
>obscure sexual stuff she's 'sneaking in' is a hilarious touch.
>She's blowing up announcers almost weekly! History will be
>kind to this run for sure.
>- The Bucks are fun but late af with this jerk heel run.
>They're gonna cheat their azzes off to beat/retire Sting fo
>sho. But Darby will be there to dive at them really hard and
>I'll like that.
>- Dalton Castle trying to get to Johnny is also great times.
>- Sasha is gonna be fun but I wish she was headed back to WWE
>to print money with Bayley for the summer.
>- Okada might be better off in AEW FIRST but I still want him
>in WWE at some point. Rainmaker pose tshirts would be easy
>munny for WWE.
>- Ospreay is a wonderful rassler. I hope he stays healthy.
>He's done a great job of 'getting big enough' for the spots
>he's gonna be in. Add him to the 'he'd be big fun in WWE at
>some point' list too.
>
>I hope like hell that AEW forces a title onto Danielson at
>some point before he's done as a 'full-time act'.
>
>Besides that, MJF has been shutting all the way the fuck up in
>a corner somewhere, Adam Cole is still not right and it is
>killing his new group, and Kenny Omega did good to go the
>doctor when he did or he might've died. Whew! And
>Ibushi...gees dude...sit your goofy azz down somewhere! And
>take Jeff Hardy with you!

  

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123. "for as shit as Hogans WCW stuff was, Savage's was all great "
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he and flair had a multi-year running thing across both companies that was always great, and then he and DDP was awesome in the NWO era

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122. "is Raw......not good, but.....maybe not as shitty?"
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specifically tonight but maybe also in general, even though at best its still filled with a bunch of empty space that requires DVR fast forwarding.

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124. "nah this shit still ass but at least all the names are showing up"
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they not doing shit, but they are there.

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136. "no im convinced now."
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i finally just watched the end. the rules of engagement are different.

aside from Cody getting the green light for blood, so much of last night had improv'd verbals.

might all go away after WM but for now, Raw is at its least low point in what...10-15 years at least?

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125. "lmao the rock really kicking it old school on this close to Raw"
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this is that prime attitude era, outside the ring action, that i love

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126. "That fuckin ruled "
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Final Boss Rock is a sociopath, and also the most interesting character on WWE TV.

You watch tonight’s show and literally every wrestler who’s great is still so casual about their shit - Cody, McIntyre,Rhea,Becky, Punk … I mean those are HOFers but still everything is so jokey to these people. There’s no juice to these goofy sarcastic promos, and they ALL do them. Wrestlemania is in two weeks and they’re all just kinda teasing each other.

Then Rock shows up bloodthirsty and the tone changes completely.

And what a gift it was raining. (“Demigod of the land and sea” indeed)

  

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127. "Hear me out- before last night why would Cody have taken the Rock seriou..."
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as a threat? Dude's yoked to the gills but has presumably not seen the inside of a ring in a decade. He's just a temporary speed bump that Cody, with Seth's help, can roll over on his way to finishing his story unimpeded by the Bloodline. So why wouldn't he crack jokes about the Rock while also getting himself worked up over the idea of finally succeeding where Big Dust failed? So of course "that's a promise he cannot keep." Then the Chicago weather helps out and we get a Rhodes bleeding in the rain. Chef's motherfuckin kiss.

This story is ramping up at just the right time, though the next gear has to be how Roman's going to "get his head in the game" so to speak. Because from his standpoint, Cody's not doing anything new except pal around with his ex-lackeys. Now his cousin just went and fired Cody up.

Also, Drew's shit is immaculate right now. He's thoroughly sports entertaining me.

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128. "you make a fair point actually"
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and the way you laid it out, it'd actually be cool if Roman gets pissed at Rock for firing Cody up

Dusty would've loved that segment last night. The juice and the rain...cmon bruh! Also, maybe it's nothing, but they seemed to deliberately keep the Austin and Cena truck in the shot.

  

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129. "Even if they don't stop Rocky from getting involved, it ties the thing t..."
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> Austin and Cena truck in the
>shot.

What do Austin, Cena and Cody all have in common? They all at one point had to overcome the Final Boss at Mania.

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130. "Oh, damn"
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>What do Austin, Cena and Cody all have in common? They all at
>one point had to overcome the Final Boss at Mania.
>

Brilliant. I hope that was intentional then.

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131. "I'm pretty sure..."
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...

- Rock/Roman win night 1

- Cody overcomes the odds to win night 2

- Rock casts out Roman first show after Wrestlemania ("you let down the family")

- Rock vs Cody at Summerslam

  

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132. "Whoever's replaced Dunn, the camera work has been out of this world"
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133. "the rocks entrance is so fire rn"
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the way he comes out of the pitch black with bolts of lightning

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137. "When the music changes I gleefully squeal like a child "
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Entrance is flames

  

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134. "RE: Whoever's replaced Dunn, the camera work has been out of this world"
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>

Yeah. Dunn held those folks hostage for YEARS. Maybe it was him and Vince working together to hold stuff back in the name of 'uniformity'.

It is a dramatic and obvious improvement almost all the time. And even when the same ole stuff is happening, the camera changes makes things feel more fresh. I have enjoyed it when I take the time to watch.

And the camera work on Rock's glorious beatdown of Cody RHODES was a damn good time for me. They are obviously having a good time trying shit and expanding on it when it works. Punk adding stakes even while crippled is great. Rock acting a damn fool but making sure Cody is the one who has to overcome things has been a blast for me to see unfold.

  

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135. "im telling you, the show is less shitty than in years"
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and the production is a huge part of it, as is Michael Cole being allowed to call a sport and have real reactions

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138. ""Your script, fuck that""
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https://x.com/JulianWks/status/1773755964501668164?s=20

final boss Rock is the fuckin man dude

  

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139. "RE: "Your script, fuck that""
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>https://x.com/JulianWks/status/1773755964501668164?s=20
>
>final boss Rock is the fuckin man dude

Its fun. Cody had that asswhoopin coming. And it is a great answer to the 'dude, you haven't wrestled in forever..witcho old azz' comments he was taking on. He issued the threat and then heelishly got the drop on Cody. Then, he proceeded to whoop dude's azz in a way that Dutsthy would've loved. Adrenaline is in my soul fo sho.

  

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140. "Rocky really restoring the feeling rn"
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141. "Pardon what might be a dumb question "
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But who is The Rock invoking with the slight Southern twang The Rock with these Cody Rhodes promos? I'm specifically referring to when The Rock calls Cody boy. Is it simply Dusty Rhodes that The Rock is throwing back in Cody Rhodes' face?

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142. "Starting to think the whole thing is a send up to Dusty"
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Cody’s son
Bloodline as Horsemen
Cody building a coalition (Koloff/Road Warriors)
Reigns + Rollins were Dusty’s protégés

  

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143. "RE: Starting to think the whole thing is a send up to Dusty"
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>
>Cody’s son
>Bloodline as Horsemen
>Cody building a coalition (Koloff/Road Warriors)
>Reigns + Rollins were Dusty’s protégés
>
>

Yep. That works for me. Making fun of Cody/Dusty's 'southern' lineage. Also, I just love it. The Rock is clearly doing it on purpose. The wording, the cussing, the absurdly dope Black Adam entrance, the obviously pressed short fuse reactions to Cody and Seth, all of it. This weekend shall be on.

  

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144. "Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch "
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Obviously, he makes himself sound way more calm than he probably was, but his assessment of a total lack of control/authority from the top in AEW seems to track.

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145. "RE: Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch "
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>Obviously, he makes himself sound way more calm than he
>probably was

That's the same thing I said to myself when he was explaining it lol

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146. "Yeah, this is where I get off the Phil train"
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Look, I'm glad he's happy at WWE, but every other person who's gone to/gone back to WWE after being in AEW has managed to be professional. And especially considering that Phil had a lot to do with his own "demise" over at AEW, he's whining an awful lot. And him blowing off Colt Cabana after he approached him and tried to squash the beef isn't the flex Punk seems to think it is. Cash your checks and move on, dude.

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150. "hes had people anonymously shitting on him for two years"
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but one plain spoken interview with a real sports journalist has offended your sensibilities?

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151. "So bizarre "
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There was legitimately nothing in the interview that was controversial at all.

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155. "23 months later and im still shocked"
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i just dont get it

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152. "Who says I’m defending them? "
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It’s past time for everyone to shut the fuck up about it. And that includes Phil. There are no innocent babes in the woods in any of this. I was cool with Punk just doing his thing in the WWE. Him deciding again to try to re litigate it, no matter how “uncontroversial” his comments may be, is just fucking dumb now. Just say “No comment” and call it a day.

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153. "He says no comment to the questions in that interview he get roasted too"
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We all know these maniacs are dumb and not innocent at all. It is nice to hear a side of the story from a participant, biased or not, imo. The glass spot, I didn’t know it was about a car, I thought it was a pane or some shit. Being against it was less about safety and more about not looking like an asshole

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154. "hes giving his side of all this shit for the first time"
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after months of rumors, outright lies, mocking him on tv, a fucking victory lap around the ring on collision, and basically just straight up hoe ass bitch made behavior from the other side of this dispute

he's now run afoul of something by openly speaking his truth on the record?

sheesh

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157. ""But they did it first!" is not a legitimate argument."
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Also, need I remind everyone that Phil is currently under the employment of a company that engaged in such bitch-made behavior as:

1. Almost killing him due to shotty medical care (by his own account)

2. Firing on his wedding day (a move orchestrated by Punk's current best friend and Chief Content Officer for the company)

3. Suing him for over $1 million

But somehow Phil moved past all that and is collecting checks and is complaining about what happened.

But now we're supposed to act like doing a victory lap on Collison is beyond that pale? Okay.

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159. "im not making an argument, and they did *not* do it first"
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nobody who has ever done any of what i described has ever had the balls to go in front of a camera on record and said what they had to say.

>Also, need I remind everyone that Phil is currently under the
>employment of a company that engaged in such bitch-made
>behavior as:
>1. Almost killing him due to shotty medical care (by his own
>account)
>2. Firing on his wedding day (a move orchestrated by Punk's
>current best friend and Chief Content Officer for the
>company)
>3. Suing him for over $1 million
>
>But somehow Phil moved past all that and is collecting checks
>and is complaining about what happened.

i dont understand what any of that is supposed to mean. the company has been sold and undergone new management and corporate reorganization. what grand hypocrisy are you meaning to expose?

>But now we're supposed to act like doing a victory lap on
>Collison is beyond that pale? Okay.

what pale? lol

how are those things parallel in any way?

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147. "RE: Took 9 months for Pespiman ((c) Danhausen) to light the blowtorch "
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>Obviously, he makes himself sound way more calm than he
>probably was, but his assessment of a total lack of
>control/authority from the top in AEW seems to track.

He's a wild case study for human behavior. His own stuff is wild of course, but seeing people react to him saying things that are, for the most part, nowhere near new info is so crazy. With many, when people are married to a stance in 2024, you can fuggin forget about it.

And of course, he isn't gonna say he choked the shit out of Perry and threw a monitor at TK! But I think most of us assumed that's how it went! 'I choked him a little' is adorably underselling what almost certainly happened. But he said it with tongue all up in cheek so whatever.

The big hole is still Brawl Out of course. We may never ever ever have any reasonable version of that story on our files. I'm guessing there's absolutely no heroes from that shit btw. AKA I've always assuming everyone in that room did shit they shouldn't have done the way they did it.

Either way, his run at AEW was obviously a great time for our eyeballs until it wasn't. And really, it seems clear that TK meant well with trying to keep it going but he failed to do the thing he had to do: make mfers get in a room again and do whatever they were gonna do. And duh, we all had our doubts on the separate rosters thing. And here we are. And he's already printed hella money for WWE so hey.

  

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148. "i dont think anything was all that incendiary, or even new"
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"i choked him a little" was a little bit extra, but tbh i prefer my pro wrestlers as the kind of people who would think thats an appropriate way to settle disputes amongst themselves

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149. "Yeah, it was a pretty good listen for sure"
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But it was a lot of confirmation of things we already knew for the most part. And now the Bucks have some things that they can sarcastically sneak in during dark match time.

I guess the only new info was the breakdown of what happened to set up the “worker’s rights” promo and when exactly he decided to go scorched earth at All Out.

Also Nick Khan comes out of this like an absolute G.

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156. "one thing i found interesting"
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reports at the time were that after jack perry, but before samoa joe, punk was yelling that he quit

he said the same thing in this interview

why would Tony Khan go on national TV and tell everyone he was voluntarily waiving Punk's non-compete, if he had one? you can keep someone from going to a competitor if he quits, you cant if you fire him like that.

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224. "Also, Phil just announced he quit. Why did he still go over?"
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Why not change it on the fly and tell Joe to Victory Road him if he doesn't play business? I get Tony might not be smartened up enough to suggest that but like Hero or Jerry Lynn certainly could.

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171. "Well, the “official” AEW response is really fucking stupid"
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As I keep on saying, everyone involved needs to move the fuck on from this.

I don’t even understand the point of showing the Punk footage on Dynamite. I don’t care if it’s nominally in service of trying to further an angle for the FTR vs. Bucks rematch. You’re trying to make a wrestler who doesn’t even work for the company anymore look bad, but you’re having it “shown” by the guys you’re trying to position as the most obnoxious heels on the roster? Like, what type of reaction are you looking for? Are the fans supposed to hate the Bucks even more? Or, again, turn on someone who hasn’t been there for 9 months?

This is the type of dumb shit that either of the Vince’s or Bischoff would book during the 1998 attitude era. No one looks good here.

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172. "AEW really on some loser shit rn"
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WWE going full bore into a new era w/ new stars and great production and AEW still living in last year

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173. "Trips and Punk looking goofy has AEW on their minds..."
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...during the lead-up to what was supposed to be their biggest even of all time. AEW should have just let that speak for itself.

As for WWE's great productions, did you watch last night? The PLE's have been mid for about a year now. Again, something that they could have let speak for itself.

This... is just dumb.

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158. "Holy shit you have to watch this "
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https://x.com/julianwks/status/1776224966650069447?s=46

  

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160. "Omos coming out of nowhere made me do a spit take lol"
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161. "keeping the belt on Roman was best for business after all"
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162. "Carmelo is WHC material. Trick needs another year in NXT"
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I have always wondered how Melo would transition to the main show given he is a mid-size guy but after seeing how he has carried this feud in and out of the ring I can see him really thriving on the main roster.

Trick just needs a little more time in the oven but he is coming along quite nicely.

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163. "RE: OKPW24 - Road to Rasslemania FORTY"
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Can't front...Buddy Murphy is a lucky dude lol

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164. "the rock funny man he gave himself his own belt and the pin on cody"
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dude the final boss fr. emphasis on boss

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199. "RE: the rock funny man he gave himself his own belt and the pin on cody"
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>dude the final boss fr. emphasis on boss

I'm a sucker for heel heat tomfoolery like this.

He was walking around with that belt right next to Roman with NO sense of irony or shame. Mix that with the Mama Rhodes belt being ~ the most Rock thing ever and I had a great time with all of it.

It all helped make Roman's title reign loss as special as it needed to be considering how long he survived.

And again, those mfers have a guy who they like as THE GUY being the one to get the win. These are the things people say they want when we don't have it. And now, we get to sit our azzes here when it is happening. GOOD TIMES.

And so many pictures I've seen from Mania fall into 'imagine trying to explain this shit to someone back in 2019'. IE: There's a picture with LA Knight, CM Punk, Randy Orton, and Triple Haitch all cheesing like crazy. And they're all looking at Cody celebrate with his family. BONKERS!

  

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165. "the official really spoiled that for me"
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166. "Night 1 was kinda mid"
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Which is disappointing, because Night 1 last year was an all-timer.

Overall, very little was egregiously bad. Just a lot of it was blah.

Started off well enough with the Women's title match. Tag team ladder match had some cool spots and brilliant/hilarious moments. R-Truth continues to be a treasure, and him and Miz winning the Raw titles was my favorite feel good moment of the night. The LWO vs. Lega match start off good (loved the double cross body spot) but I lost interest as it went along. The Usos match was the worst of the night. The Women's tag match was entertaining enough and I was happy that Jade got the pin.

Sami vs. Gunther was the match of the night, though I probably wasn't as into it as most. As Rocky tributes go, it was indeed entertaining. Anyway, it's time to move Gunther on to the World Title picture, and it sets up Zayn vs. Gable well.

As for the main event... it was definitely blah. It did get better as it went along, and started to really pick up after they went out of the ring, and some of the near falls near the end worked well. But the Rock was definitely rusty and operating at 1/2 to 2/3 speed. The ending was the right one, as both Cody and Seth need to operate at a disadvantage, and it even further sets up Cody vs. Rock at like Summerslan. But I just wasn't that entertained as whole.

Truthfully, there was a lot of wasted time on the card. Way too many ads. A few useless promos. And, man, the entrances went waaaaaaaaay too long. You could have had a whole other match in the time that the spent on the entrances and intros for the main event.

And are they still having issues micing the crowd? Or was it weirdly silent/dead at times? I really couldn't tell.

So, hoping tomorrow night is better. And that they stick the landing.

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167. "there was obviously a magic missing tonight "
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The Usos, god bless em for the last few years…but they should be embarrassed. They derailed the night.

A lot of filler tonight in my opinion…and you can do filler if there’s surprising wild stuff that happens, but like that Jade/Naomi/Bianca match was filler and nothing special happened

Sami/Gunther ended well. It’s going to be lauded, but honestly it was like 10 minutes of chops before the action really picked up.

I thought Rock was really fun with what he was asked to do. Taking the Rock Bottom through the table is wild. Gotta say , the Reigns spear to Rock and the double pedigrees WAS pretty thrilling. I would’ve liked more back and forth between Rock and “Mama Rhodes” though after weeks of all that shit talking.

I think there’s something to the environment in general contributing to a lackluster crowd. The best 2 manias of the last 10 years was Levi Stadium and Sofi Stadium. Both shows started in warm sunshine, and also the booking was on point in both cases. Compare those shows to tonight - uneven booking in a cold outdoor stadium, yea I see how you get a dud audience.

Anyway, as for tomorrow I think KO/Logan/Randy will be awesome and Cody v “Bloodline Rules” should be a movie. Hope they can do something special tomorrow.

  

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168. "I honestly hadn’t thought about the weather as a factor w/ the crowd"
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I imagine that when WWE booked this show over a year ago, they figured it would be the beginning of spring and hadn’t considered that the whole country would be going through an unseasonably cold week. Gotta love climate change.

I think the Rock brought good energy overall, and definitely did some cool shot, but just couldn’t shake the ring rust. Which is what most people have been anticipating for months now. And I agree that the match could have used more Rock/Cody interaction given he build-up, but I think we’ll get more of it at least tomorrow and even more moving forward through 2024.

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169. "Yep, it was cold!"
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Most WWE shows are paced in a way to give the crowd chances to reset/rest/come down from matches. If the weather is right and everyone is clicking, that shit plays pretty well live even if it isn’t always great from the crib. And really, if shit is obviously going well, I find some of the breaks to work well at home.

BUT

The number of ads on Peacock Premium is unreal. Most of us are not watching content in a way where we can’t avoid ads somehow. I know I’m a ‘DVR and watch it later with my hand on the ffwd button’ type myself. So I don’t see many commercials unless it’s a lady on there I wanna see! Hehe

AND

When you fuck around and the weather isn’t great AND you have special circumstances like 3 of the 4 dudes in the main event of night one are wrestling again in night 2 AND the 4th guy is a movie star for real who has to go film a flick in a month, you know people were generally on ‘mfers, take your time and don’t get anyone hurt in this SOB. We got 70k more in this building tmrw!’. And I could feel that through the show in spots and certainly in the main event.

I don’t blame em. Losing Punk and almost losing Rollins for Mania had to suck. And really, they were counting on the heat they built with the good azz storytelling they’ve been doing. That makes sense for sure. But the weather fucked them just enough to throw off the crowd. And clearly some of the rasslers weren’t right either.

And I love Rhea and The Man, but that wasn’t the right type of match to have for the opener. You gotta get in, hit some hard shit, and get outta there. Instead, they had a main event at the beginning and they helped burn out a physically cold crowd.

The one fucking shame of the night was Jimmy and Jey. I’m always concerned that Jimmy isn’t in great shape but the whole match was off. It’s like once they knew they weren’t getting the opener or the main event, they fell off with their training or something. Or again, maybe it was just fucking cold and not everyone has ways to figure shit out in the back beforehand in that situation. And if you just happen to be out there when the wind starts whipping and the crowd is like ‘fuuuuuuck, it’s kinda cold out here! Where’s The Rock at?’, I could see it being hard to get/stay right.

Unless you’re a pros pro like Sami and Gunther. That match was nerdy goodness that will age very well in isolation like lots of good azz matches do. Sami breaking out that Brainbustahhhhhhh was set up amazingly well and that move is basically a Burning Hammer to anyone who has seen him hit it as Genérico. That shit got me in the feels for real. And trust me…I thought Sami had NO CHANCE. But doing that move was the ultimate respect to Gunther killer title run and now The Ring General is free and clear to show up after mania sometime and kick Cody all in his ass. It’s gonna jam.

Night 2 main event is gonna be a nwo and 80s NWA love letter for the ages. I’m amped. I think we’re about to see a chaotic shitshow in a good way and Cody’s gonna pull this thing out of his ass. And the undercard looks really nice too.

>I imagine that when WWE booked this show over a year ago,
>they figured it would be the beginning of spring and hadn’t
>considered that the whole country would be going through an
>unseasonably cold week. Gotta love climate change.
>
>I think the Rock brought good energy overall, and definitely
>did some cool shot, but just couldn’t shake the ring rust.
>Which is what most people have been anticipating for months
>now. And I agree that the match could have used more Rock/Cody
>interaction given he build-up, but I think we’ll get more of
>it at least tomorrow and even more moving forward through
>2024.

  

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170. "nailed it Jim - B-grade show in 40 degrees becomes a C show quick"
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I watched from my cozy couch in HD TV and my six-pack cost $12

would I have been hype to watch Jey v Jimmy in a down coat and beanie drinking a $15 tall boy? You nailed it...I'd have been standing there like "when's Rock?"

  

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177. "Northeast city at nighttime in early April"
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If they weren’t aware it would be kinda cold as soon as the sun goes down, lol.

What about the wrestlers out there in tights in 50 degrees? They gotta be cold as shit!

  

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174. "The Usos lack of chemistry was shocking"
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>The Usos, god bless em for the last few years…but they
>should be embarrassed. They derailed the night.

  

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175. "Uneven show with some good moments. The main event mostly delivered"
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-Rhea/Becky was cool. It was a decent opener, but not the burner I think a lot of us thought they could do. I’ll just attribute that to Becky’s illness, but who knows. The build wasn’t exactly spectacular though, so there’s that.

I had Rhea going over.

-The tag match was the mediocre train wreck I expected it to be. There was some cool spots I didn’t care about anyone in the match. The best thing about this for me was that I figured Waller/Theory would get one and Awesome Truth would get the other, and that put me at 3-3 for my picks.

Bate and Dunne managed to make that incredibly stupid “hey let’s let everyone crowd together and have someone dive onto them” spots interesting.

Actually, I was glad DIY didn’t win, because when they do it needs to be an emotionally charged victory capped off by stereo submissions, not pulling a belt down.

-The Mysterio tag was cool. Again, a few cool spots and they managed to make a tired trope interesting with the Mysterio/Andrade crossbody. I wasn’t invested at all but it was cool. Zelina continues to make me envious of Malachi Black though, goddamn is she a sight to behold.

-Jade’s debut was what I expected, outcome and all. It was a whatever match though. She oozes starpower but is still very mechanical. Can’t wait to see how she grows though.

I expect Bianca to get back to a title match next year, probably with Rhea- if they’re smart. She’s got GOAT potential and needs to get back to that path.

-Sami and Gunther was very good but would have been great if they didn’t spend so much time on stupid Chop Wars. I had Sami for the win and I love that he got the honor of dethroning Gunther. It also makes this last year of his career much more satisfying. It also makes me think KO takes the US title tonight.

-Jey and Jimmy stunk up the joint. That was horrendous. I’m sure someone will say it wasn’t that bad, but it was. It was as awful as the build.

The main event mostly delivered, but I was disappointed that Mama Rhodes didn’t slap the shit out of Rock. I fully expected that moment, but maybe we get it tonight with Bloodline Rules.

The finish blew my theory out of the water and ruined what had been a perfect night of predictions for me. Rock turned it way up after his early pandering, and it’s worked perfectly.

This absolutely wasn’t the plan but as far as happy accidents go, this has been one for the ages and has helped elevate Cody in a big way- as long as he fucking wind tonight.

If he loses, he’ll be “fine” it will create a glass ceiling he’ll never break. They could elevate him tonight in a big way, cementing him as a seriously credible top guy. If he loses, even if he wins down the road, he’ll always be seen as a notch below at best.

But everyone is this match pulled their weight, except for Cody’s hilariously pathetic Pedigree. I hope Paul ribbed him after that one. Cody and Seth got a lot of offense in and looked strong in the process, with Rock pulling rank and sabotaging things. A lot of story was told with Seth. They accomplished a lot with this in setting up tonight, and I’m betting they play with that sort of dynamic a bit more in future Manias as a result.

-Sig-

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176. "bringing Stephanie out to dance on Vince's grave is something"
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just business, pal!

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178. "ishowspeed cameo is RANDOM AS FUCK lol"
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im still cracking the fuck up they pulled that one out of a hat

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179. "he took a potato for his troubles"
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i think he got a lil too mouthy for Randy's taste

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180. "Bayley-Iyo was the match of the weekend thus far for me"
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181. "i love a good guy party at the end"
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night 2 was a massive upgrade on night 1

great stuff, despite having more commercials than Raw

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183. "Anyone who didn’t enjoy that needs their levels checked "
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Would’ve preferred Austin instead of Taker but that’s really the only nitpick.

There’s something really charming about a dozen babyfaces lifting up a guy on their shoulders, good clean wholesome fun.

  

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182. "we are free! "
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184. "Night Two kicked the everloving shit out of Night One"
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From start to finish, this shit wasn’t even close.

Sami and the main event were the only matches that compete with tonight.

It started with a bang and every match was excellent.

My one gripe is that I would have preferred Cody’s friends on the current roster come out to help- Sami, KO, Randy, instead Cena and Taker.

It’s relatively minor and didn’t detract from the make, but i think that would have made for better storytelling that made more sense.

That they showed up after his victory still made for a beautiful moment.

As a pure wrestling match without smoke and mirrors or gimmick stipulations, Bayley and Iyo hit a home run tonight. They killed that shit.

The US title match was fantastic, though I think KO was the better choice for the win.

AJ and LAK tore it down. They kept a breakneck pace throughout and that shit felt like a fight.

The Drew/Seth match was fantastic in it’s entirety, counting Punk and the Priest cash in.

In terms of consistency of match quality and maximizing everyone’s role, tonight was one of the best Mania’s I can remember. Everything hit at a pretty high level.

Even the Lashley/Kross six man had great, gratifying moments.

This was an excellent show and immediately one of my favorites, right there with 17.

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186. "I think Logan is holding that belt to hometown Summerslam "
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192. "Night Two was a blast"
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it was the mirror of last year's Mania where Night 1 was the hot, happy show.

For being the linchpins of a heel-ass group, people LOVE them some Terror Twins. The shot of Punk as Priest's music hit was just beautiful and they got the table set for a barnburner in Lyon if the triceps is right. Glad that Drew got his win in a full stadium, even more glad that Priest has the belt now.

I agree with you on LP, but you had to have one dip in the generally happy show- seriously, the number of babyfaces winning throughout the weekend was impressive for a WWE show. And they had their big Sami/KO hug in the ring last year. And the pop-up RKO was a pretty badass way to go out.

I think next year when Montez Ford is fighting for the IC or US belt, we can look at him vaulting the damn ring post as the start of that. That was a fun little match, and Snoop commenting on it like a fan added to the general chaos of the match (even though AOP seemed to teleport to the forgotten zone for the end).

AJ/LA was a good, old-school FIGHT. If it weren't for Becky wanting to kick the show off, that would have been a good show-starter on Saturday.

Bayley/Iyo was great. Awesome back and forth match, great counters to each other's best shots.

I LOVED that they kept the Cody/Roman match pretty even-up with limited interference until the final third, and then that final third was note-perfect. Yeah, Cody's Wargames team would have been nice, but Jey neutralizing Jimmy, Cena taking out Solo, then Rocky taking out Cena only to get got by the real Mania Final Boss all made sense and flowed nicely into each other. And Seth being the reason Roman lost focus - man, that was the exclamation point.

Special note to Roman's shit-talking in-ring. That whole bit after he tried out the Cross Rhodes was brilliant. I laughed quite a bit at that.

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193. "The Judgement Day’s rise has truly been a treat"
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I won’t be shocked if they morph into a cool babyface faction by Summer Slam.

I always saw big things from Rhea but this JD incarnation far surpassed my expectations. Along with Bianca, she’s on a GOAT tier path and she’s still early in her career. She has a natural gravity that is difficult to match. She’s the brightest star of this group and they all owe her a debt, because she elevated them in a big way.

And the on-screen dynamic between her and Priest combined with the real life bond they’ve all developed in real life has given JD legs it didn’t seem to have once the seemingly inexplicable Edge turn happened. Priest is the right guy to elevate right now alongside Drew’s recent character tweaks.

Looking at that match in it’s entirety, that was arguably the best executed cash-in they’ve ever done. Dolph’s was an incredible moment, but the psychology leading up to and in the moment was a cinematic masterclass that told multiple stories, closing one chapter and adding several new ones, all compelling, in one moment.

And that was just the opening of the show.

The US match was fantastic and I’m def nitpicking LP as the chosen winner. It was an incredibly fun match so i have no real complaints. And to your point about Montez, I think a program with Logan could be fantastic from a match quality standpoint.

And agreed on AJ/LA, it felt like they went out there with the intent of making everyone else have to rise to their level. The pacing is what stood out to me, because there was no wait for him to hit his move” nonsense. The whole thing was, “fuck you, get this work”.

Bayley and Iyo eclipsed Rhea/Charlotte IMO, and I think the last women’s title match on that level was Bianca/Sasha.

I do hear you on the logic behind the Taker spot and didn’t consider that he’s the “real” final boss. I still would have preferred Cody’s people, but it’s a nitpick. My only gripe with the Seth moment was the camera botch.

And with Cody as the The Guy now?

WWE has an embarrassment of riches. Tonight has serious potential to be the best of the “night after Mania” Raw shows.

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196. "Finn was in a complete babyface black hole too"
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Like, dude was in the Ziggler Zone of being good enough to be the champion but nobody believed that shit could happen. The second he lost in the Cell as the Demon, his shit was just trashed.

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194. ""i knew that shit wouldnt work...that move sucks!""
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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195. ""I just wanted to rub his face in it. . .I LOVE whuppin' his ass""
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He hasn't been that on since the Cesaro match.

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197. "RE: "i knew that shit wouldnt work...that move sucks!""
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>

I'm crediting KO and Sami for this without knowing a damn thing about how Roman became such a master of in-match promo'ing.

Whoever put this into existence is wonderful. I love it all basically every single time. And Roman was spittin last night fo sho!

  

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198. "It’s weird that Vince couldn’t tap into this Big Homie energy"
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Vince had spent the better part of two decades building stars by playing of their natural, genuine selves, and then his brilliant plan with Roman was to make him a fucking cartoon character.

I said it at the time and it’s still true today, Roman just oozes that Big Homie, will fuck foos up for fun energy. Heyman’s presence allowed him into center it and amplify the signal, but anyone with a brain saw this gear in him.

The fact that Vince actively tried to kill that latent greatness in favor of a cheesy cartoon hero is a story in and of itself.

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200. "RE: It’s weird that Vince couldn’t tap into this Big Homie energy"
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>Vince had spent the better part of two decades building stars
>by playing of their natural, genuine selves, and then his
>brilliant plan with Roman was to make him a fucking cartoon
>character.
>
>I said it at the time and it’s still true today, Roman just
>oozes that Big Homie, will fuck foos up for fun energy.
>Heyman’s presence allowed him into center it and amplify the
>signal, but anyone with a brain saw this gear in him.
>
>The fact that Vince actively tried to kill that latent
>greatness in favor of a cheesy cartoon hero is a story in and
>of itself.

On one hand, we're some lucky MFers that someone somewhere kept thinking 'this dude is awesome..we gotta try something else'. On the other? Fucking right, Vince is a jackass for some of the shit he was forcing dude to try! It is wild to hear Roman say out loud 'hey, I didn't have enough money to just quit' on that A&E show. AKA shit was bad for him too! And he was THE dude from the Shield. Rollins was the king shit worker so he was gonna make it somehow regardless. Ambrose leaving altogether once he could makes soooooooooo much sense considering everything. Side: on old Moxley, the hate has gone too far even if I don't always love what he's trying to do (rich hardcore indy karate tough dude who BE bleeding). But hey, he has saved AEW's azz on a multitude of occasions and I didn't know he had that in him tbh.

Tribal Chief is a HoF run by itself obviously. Considering all he did to get to it, that run is even more special!

Just wow..the face-making, the figuring out a way to get his cousins over as separate humans, Heyman, the somehow both great and weird collection of matches with Brock, the promos, the angst with wanting him to finally lose at some point, etcetera. And even with never losing, he made a lot of people look good. Hell, if nothing else, I LOVE THIS DUDE FOR WHAT HE DID FOR MOTHERFUCKING SAMI ZAYN. They did each other major favors no lie, but really: imagine telling someone the night after Mania 38 that the wrestling nerd who lost to Jackass in a comedy match was gonna main event night 1 of Mania 39 with his best friend, be a prime candidate to end Roman's reign, AND get to end Gunther's historic reign in a shocker after breaking out his indy mega finisher? Imagine that!? Or don't, cuz it just happened! Unreal.

And we still have something to do with him and Rock before they both take it to the house. I think they still want to do it and it would print money. The promos would kill and the match would be another wild affair to dress up the fact that Rock is too old to be doing Omega/Ospreay. Hell, Omega is damn near too old to be doing Omega/Ospreay!

  

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185. "Only caught the last two matches"
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Bayley and Iyo was obviously excellent. Good to see Bayley get the big win, and I appreciated all the Bay Area shout outs; I spent many a day at the Rosicrucian museum in SJ during my youth.

The main event did exactly what it needed to do. As a match, it wasn’t that good (mostly due to the plodding beginning), but it was really all about the sports entertainment run ins and the ending. And yes, the celebration at the end was emotional and overall awesome.

I’ll catch the rest later.

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187. "They got it right"
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The weather cooperated. And the roster all got their feet on the ground for Night 2.

When you have a well-booked night planned that leads to a conclusion that got set up well as hell AND people seem to be on-board with what is planned, you get gorgeously good shit like last night. Everything worked for the most part. It felt like 4 hours of supreme pros pro'ing.

MFers showed up to that main event like they were trying to do right by Roman, Heyman, Cody, Dusty, Afa, Haitch, fine ass Brandi, Mama Rhodes, and errbody else you can think of.

Thanks to Roman for not pulling any bullshit. He came out and did a killer job of working his ass off, making Cody look good af, and going out flat and dead with no concept of trying to sneak in some shenanigans to 'protect himself'. Big respect. I lived through Starrcade 97, mfers! Also, there's TNA in general and several other 'main dudes not doing the job straight up when it was their time to do it' situations that I can remember vividly til this day!

Night one was the setup for Night two so parts of that show got 'sacrificed' in a way. But shiiiiid, starting from Gunther and Sami and going through to Cody in the ring celebrating with an insane group of humans, Mania 40 was a Mania for yo azz.

Haitch generally understands how rasslin works when it works so I'm USUALLY gonna trust him to get the base right. And WWE's staff is filled with people who also somewhat clearly 'get it'. Last night felt like a good azz NXT show with more resources. And I mean that in the most positive of ways cuz the best NXT stuff is ~ my favorite rasslin over the last 15 years.

And yeah, it seems somewhat clear that people were tired of having to try to make it through Vince and Dunn to get to a good show/match/whatever. They're openly talking like they're 'free' from something. Sure, they get that Vince was necessary at some point but him being gone now seems like a no-brainer when shows like these go down.

And I have the nerve to assume tonight will be fun too. We'll see! My main guess is that Cody gets chopped into bits by Gunther sometime soon here. But Jacob Fatu could also come in and get an immediate blessed spot. Of course, whoever Cody fights first ain't winning!

>They're saying the number again! Take that, Vince..you ole
>nasty mfer!
>
>Let's see:
>
>- Vince is bigtime gone. Who knows how wild the deets go and
>what % of it we will ever 'know'. What we 'know' is plenty
>wild enough! You have to figure at least a few more people
>might end up gone too. We'll see.
>- Brock is at least temporarily gone too.
>- Kevin Dunn is gone and now the camera work can finally
>attempt to evolve at least a little. Ain't that nice!? Its
>nice!
>- Cody inches closer to finishing his story. And they're going
>to make him earn the shit out it.
>- THE ROCK AND ROMAN REIGNS are together now? NICE.
>- Rollins is hurt but will make Mania allegedly. He's gonna be
>fine and I'm not worried. He's dope, they love him, and he's
>EXCELLENT when he has anything coherent to do.
>- Big E is still out.
>- Punk is out. BOO. But he can still instigate!
>- Charlotte out but she's a damn hoss so she'll be back.
>- Randy and AJ are back! Whooo! Now, what in the eff are they
>gonna do!?
>- Stone Cold is being coy about doing another match. I WANT
>IT. His match with KO was gorgeously simple and fun but it
>still felt 'complete'. Pros wer Pro'ing.
>- Whoop That Trick (YEAH!) = one of my favorite things in
>rasslin right now. And Williams himself is good too. He's
>gonna kick all up in Carmelo's ass and its gonna be GREAT for
>both of them. Yes, he's my replacement Velveteen Dream. No, I
>don't feel guilty about it.
>- The good-looking woman extravaganza on NXT is out of this
>world. HBK's search history has to be top-shelf!
>- WALTER Gunther is still out here beating people tf up and I
>love it.
>
>- TNA is 'back' but they already have shenanigans with the
>Scott D'Amore. Seems rotten but who knows..its TNA.
>
>AEW is sneaking around trying to be good at certain things but
>they're cold, so many people are 'done' with giving them a
>chance. Still:
>
>- Swerve and Hangman are doing good work.
>- Smo'a Joe...same thing. He's a fun champ even if he's almost
>certainly not gonna be a long-term champ.
>- Prince Nana's multi-purpose dance antics might be my
>favorite non-'jimaveli is in love with like 20 women
>wrestlers' thing going.
>- On that woman thing, Broken Toni Storm works on me ~ every
>single time. She's ridiculous, funny, and a good rassler.
>She's dropping some A+ promo work vs opponents and the random
>obscure sexual stuff she's 'sneaking in' is a hilarious touch.
>She's blowing up announcers almost weekly! History will be
>kind to this run for sure.
>- The Bucks are fun but late af with this jerk heel run.
>They're gonna cheat their azzes off to beat/retire Sting fo
>sho. But Darby will be there to dive at them really hard and
>I'll like that.
>- Dalton Castle trying to get to Johnny is also great times.
>- Sasha is gonna be fun but I wish she was headed back to WWE
>to print money with Bayley for the summer.
>- Okada might be better off in AEW FIRST but I still want him
>in WWE at some point. Rainmaker pose tshirts would be easy
>munny for WWE.
>- Ospreay is a wonderful rassler. I hope he stays healthy.
>He's done a great job of 'getting big enough' for the spots
>he's gonna be in. Add him to the 'he'd be big fun in WWE at
>some point' list too.
>
>I hope like hell that AEW forces a title onto Danielson at
>some point before he's done as a 'full-time act'.
>
>Besides that, MJF has been shutting all the way the fuck up in
>a corner somewhere, Adam Cole is still not right and it is
>killing his new group, and Kenny Omega did good to go the
>doctor when he did or he might've died. Whew! And
>Ibushi...gees dude...sit your goofy azz down somewhere! And
>take Jeff Hardy with you!

  

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188. "Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)"
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Just for the reason you said in which at least his first 4 opponents should be a no brainer for eating pins. He shouldn't start to feel a legit threat until Survivor Series. I know he has to be the face and fight from underneath but it shouldn't feel he's going to lose the belt until then. I'd like to see Gunther win RR and face Cody at Mania 41 and WWE can then play up the classic USA babyface vs the menacing foreign badass heel. I think Trips can take a classic trope like that and give it a fresh spin.

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189. "RE: Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)"
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>Just for the reason you said in which at least his first 4
>opponents should be a no brainer for eating pins. He shouldn't
>start to feel a legit threat until Survivor Series. I know he
>has to be the face and fight from underneath but it shouldn't
>feel he's going to lose the belt until then. I'd like to see
>Gunther win RR and face Cody at Mania 41 and WWE can then play
>up the classic USA babyface vs the menacing foreign badass
>heel. I think Trips can take a classic trope like that and
>give it a fresh spin.

That sounds good! I'll take it! And Haitch loves Gunther so I'm guessing they'll do right by him.

Jacob Fatu sounds like a good one for post-Mania sometime even if its not immediately (he'll be too busy being Rock's muscle).

They COULD do the borderline inevitable Randy Orton thing right out of the gate too. That or Kevin Owens would work.

AKA the roster is grand and Cody has options. He's going to have a decent amount of goodwill to start too I'm guessing.

I AM wondering how they take Roman out. I'm assuming its gonna be really good tho. They straight up made WWE Avengers to finally make Roman lose the title so I'm thinking they'll want to give someone a boost by fridging Roman. IE: he might come out to get acknowledged one more time, everything is cool and then someone comes out and attacks him on the entrance way.

  

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190. "RE: Gunther shouldn't be first (I hope not at least)"
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>Jacob Fatu sounds like a good one for post-Mania sometime even
>if its not immediately (he'll be too busy being Rock's
>muscle).
>
This would be good. Rock leaning more into the Board of Directors position post Bloodline would be a good transition.


>They COULD do the borderline inevitable Randy Orton thing
>right out of the gate too. That or Kevin Owens would work.
>

Owens might be the first because I think Owens is still at the level he can eat a pin and not lose a lot of steam. Orton should be the first to feel like the legit threat to Cody because of the history. That would be a good angle to take two PLEs to use.


>AKA the roster is grand and Cody has options. He's going to
>have a decent amount of goodwill to start too I'm guessing.
>

Lashley, Styles, Knight, Orton, Owens, Rey, and Paul would all be great. The draft should be coming up soon and I hope they'd keep Styles and bring over Finn (Bullet Club), Orton, Knight, and Paul on the Blue Brand. I'd be all in on those stories.


>I AM wondering how they take Roman out. I'm assuming its gonna
>be really good tho. They straight up made WWE Avengers to
>finally make Roman lose the title so I'm thinking they'll want
>to give someone a boost by fridging Roman. IE: he might come
>out to get acknowledged one more time, everything is cool and
>then someone comes out and attacks him on the entrance way.

Fatu? Solo, by orders of Rock due to the spear on night one? I'd be interested how they do that as well.

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191. "Solo going beast mode at Roman is the move"
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He was HEATED at Roman to finish Cody off. I thought for a hot second he was going to spike Roman out of frustration when he couldn't put Cody away before Cena came out to take him out.

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201. "Cody sold over a million in merch this weekend"
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/report-cody-rhodes-sold-over-211000681.html

40 is officially the GOAT, at least based on the numbers:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wwe-touts-wrestlemania-40-most-184332696.html

They earned every last dollar and viewer, especially the night 2 roster. They put in serious work in Sunday.

This is an amazing time to be a fan, even if the weekly shows are uneven.

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205. "it's amazing considering how well and fully turned on him the AEW crowd ..."
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And he wasn't *that* much different from how he is now in WWE. But it's testament to how giving someone stakes gets the crowd to buy in. In AEW he was so loath to give himself the top honors that he ended up putting a ceiling on his capabilities. Shit, he almost got Codyversed here- but you build a dude's capabilities, you get the right injury at the right time (because let's be honest, that HIAC match with Seth was MADE by Cody's pec tear, much like Face Hunter was made by the quad tear and even to an extent Face Austin was made by his neck injury), and then you have him conquer ONE unbeatable monster on his way to the big payday and the MOST unbeatable monster, and baby you got a stew going.

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202. "for the 3rd week in a row, Raw did not suck"
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this is not the same show, and the late career reinvention of Michael Cole into a real live sports announcer is driving the wagon

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203. "That Goodfellas shot from Liv beating down Rhea out to the ring. . . "
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MAN.

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204. "The production has been outstanding lately"
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They are doing a great job experimenting with different ways of presenting the action, transitioning from one segment to the next, and generally not keeping the production stale and predictable.

One thing about Mania weekend I really appreciated were the pre-match hype videos. This has always been WWE's bread and butter, but something they've avoided going the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" route and it really shows. While the videos have always been great, they were pretty formulaic and the only way to really push them up a notch was the right music choice or a great story with great sound bytes.

But the Mania ones were all unique and felt like they were each done by different production teams as opposed to all being done in the same room, specifically the Usos and Gunther/Sami.

  

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206. "Has there ever been a happier accident than Cody’s pec tear "
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I’ve been stewing on this run all week man. Just a murderous ru. Layers on layers.

looking back on the past 4 years…there’s three decisions in particular that I think radically changed wrestling forever

1) bringing Roman back from COVID as a heel (duh)
2) Cody going through with the HIAC match v Seth with the torn pec
3) Cody losing at WM39

1 is every bit as big as Hogan going nwo or the Austin 3:16 promo, though it admittedly didn’t feel as major at the time.

2 and 3 laid the foundation for an all new underdog Austin-like babyface who would play the perfect foil to the megalomaniac champion

  

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207. "TK is an absolute imbecile airing this footage"
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This dude got such a hard on for punk he willing to bury one of his own guys and expose the fact that he himself is an absolute pussy. Because this was not “fear for my life” material at all

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208. "Drew and Punk about to cook so good with this shit"
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Like, McIntyre is going to absolutely KILL on the mic with this.

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209. "They certainly didn’t succeed unless something else is coming"
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>This dude got such a hard on for punk he willing to bury one
>of his own guys and expose the fact that he himself is an
>absolute pussy. Because this was not “fear for my life”
>material at all

It was absurdly mild even with us having a few accounts of what happened.

I GUESS they’re framing it via the Bucks being bitches as characters and using it as an ex use for losing to FTR is sneaky good.

BUT

As you mentioned, if TK was actually afraid for real and we for real just saw the worst of what happened, wow. Yes, TK is a bitch fo sho. But more than that, it is impressively foolish for them to basically hand CM Punk to TKO after going out of their way to keep him after whatever allegedly crazy shit happened at Brawl Out.

Ultimately, I think TK lied, Punk for real quit, they worked out the munny part on the low, and TK hollered out ‘fired for cause/scurred for my life’ to try to save face somehow. Aka he’s a dingleberry dumbass dickwad…I’m out of words with ‘d’.

Punk comes out of this looking like the ultimate truth-sayer even if we know he’s not above lying. The Bucks, as per norm, look like shoot punk ass bitches who, at worst, are for real helping TK fuck up a potentially good things. I don’t know where this leaves Kenny. I have told myself that Kenny would’ve worked with Punk and made hella money with it but IDK!

And don’t start me on the fact that CODY GODDAMN RHODES just got through main eventing 3 nights of mania in a row and becoming THE babyface in WWE in the same time and space.Don’t fucking start meeeee!! Hehe

  

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210. "AEW as we knew them is finished"
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they'll hover around what they are now or get worse, but they'll never sniff a million viewers and 10,000+ seat houses again. Maybe they can draw 10k a few times a year for PPVs.

I don't know if that many people really wanted an "alternative" as much as they just deep down wished WWE was better. And not only did the alternative get worse year over year, but WWE got way better...like best it's been in 25 years better.

  

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211. "Ding ding ding"
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>I don't know if that many people really wanted an
>"alternative" as much as they just deep down wished WWE was
>better. And not only did the alternative get worse year over
>year, but WWE got way better...like best it's been in 25 years
>better.
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213. "at least if Cody’s the blueprint"
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We can look forward to Bruv main eventing Mania in 5 years.

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214. "RE: at least if Cody’s the blueprint"
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>We can look forward to Bruv main eventing Mania in 5 years.

Jay White could do well for himself too.

  

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215. "he's the one that got away, for sure"
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Okada and not really even Sasha would've made a difference, but you can see the vision with Ospreay. WWE is getting more global by the month and he has it all

  

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216. "i was referring more to the “take obvious shots at Haitch on AEW TV”"
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218. "ha, gotcha. I was AT the throne smash show! Wild arc"
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217. "ppl wanted an alternative, they just didnt get one at the end"
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longer matches dont make an alternative

not presenting it as a stage show with bad actors would have been an alternative, but now WWE is turning into its own alternative from 6-7 years ago and AEW has become a haven of fake sports entertainment bullshit.

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225. "Under Punk's direction, Collision was leaning into that Sports Feel"
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that Hunter ended up driving the E to.

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226. "i had this thought too"
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i could see HHH sneaking downstairs to watch Collision like a fan when everyone else was asleep

theres no way he didnt notice the reaction to that first 10-12 episodes

and yes...that was definitely the alternative we all wanted 😭

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229. "Actually you’re 100% right, great observation,"
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241. "RE: Under Punk's direction, Collision was leaning into that Sports Feel"
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>that Hunter ended up driving the E to.

Ahhh...early Collision really was a good time. And some people were being allowed/made to look REALLY good.

They had me all in on Starks again for instance.

  

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212. "LMAO Punker just dropped a pic of W under the banner on stories"
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234. "he needs to hand the day-to-day ops to someone else"
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I don’t know who (def not the Elite lol), but it’s very clear he’s not cut out for this and he hasn’t shown any improvement. Can’t imagine what it would be like to work in Legal or PR over there. I’m sure everyone with half a brain told him this was a bad idea and he didn’t listen.

I knew this was gonna be some bullshit because every time he goes out of his way to defend AEW’s honor or respond to a criticism, he ends up embarrassing himself. This is the worst one yet, which is saying something. Remember the Big Swole thing? That was a million years ago and he’s still that dumb. It’s baffling.

  

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236. "if hes not the booker/promoter, it has no reason to live"
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219. "this whole thing is a complete exposé"
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not just of wrestling (bc pro fighters getting "fired" for that happens all the time right?), but also of how we got here with a whole generation of fans, including TK, not understanding what pro wrestling is on a fundamental level.

modern fans, particularly the ones most obsessed with it, seem to approach it with the idea that since everyone knows its a work, then everyone is free to do whatever silly nonsense they want "because its just wrestling and its supposed to be silly". For one thing that means its not a work anymore and thusly not actually pro wrestling. But for another that seems to come along with the idea that people look at pro wrestlers and see struggling artists trying to make it big. thusly Jack Perry getting knocked around is an injustice, and now people will see Punk for what he is.

no.

people look at pro wrestlers and see pro wrestlers. now normal people can watch this clip of someone getting fired for less physicality than they portray on television and say "they fired him for that?". they didnt show a huge asshole being an asshole, they showed a pussy being a pussy. even if they did show a huge asshole being a huge asshole, thats not what people will see.

TW is right to a point. Its possible that AEW is too cold for this to reach many people, but if this gets traction AEW is done. He can keep pouring money into it, but itll just be for funsies.

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220. "It’s especially damaging that Punk’s account is exactly what happene..."
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The story Punk told to Ariel Helwani is exactly what plays out in the video. So then it really is like “what’s the agenda here?” For the life of me I cannot stretch to arrive at ANY positive outcome for AEW in this.

- Jack Perry is not a star

- they fired Punk, their only bonafide global superstar

- Punk is evidently telling the truth

- their one-time ratings grab tactic looks cheap (and especially desperate on the heels of an all timer Mania)

- “feared for my life”

For a month Rock’s been gloating about making wrestling “cool again”…I watch this whole debacle and think nah WWE is cool again, this AEW shit is for pimply virgins

  

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221. "So Punk never tells the truth, cmon Phil. Well done Does."
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222. "thats the other galaxy brain part of this"
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all the opacity around this and Brawl Out, and the only bit of truth they put out is one confirming what Punk had to say

really puts the Brawl Out NDAs in a whole new light

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223. "How is there no one with a voice that sees how bad this is?"
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But reading comments saying this proves Punk is a liar probably answers that. Reality left the chat sometime around March 2020.

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227. "wrestlers arent the only people sucking at that teat"
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228. "the main theme I'm seeing are"
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"Punk approached him!" "He shoved him COMPLETELY unprovoked!" "OMG HE LUNGED AT TONY!"

No, he was at Gorilla waiting to go on. They were jaw-jacking with each other. Punk clearly looks at Tony before he starts shit, and then after the scuffle he points at Tony. The poor dear.

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230. "The other thing that BOGGLES THE MIND"
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Is that Perry did that spot on a PRE-SHOW match. Like, if you were on the card, sure, do the big shit in front of the giant crowd. But people are filing in AND there was a ticketing issue where it took people a WHILE to get in. And you're gonna do a car bump to largely silence? Come riiiiiiiiiight the fuck on man.

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231. "modern fans arent alone in not "getting" what wrestling is"
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lotta modern wrestler right there with them

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232. "“It’s not a real business” - Phil from Chicago"
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233. "Well, that whole thing was dumb and pointless"
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Just a ratings ploy with the hopes of adding heat to the Young Bucks/FTR match. And there are much, much better ways to build heat (like the team's in ring history) that don't involve invoking the name of someone who doesn't work there anymore. And they successfully got the crowd to chant for Phil instead of FTR, so, hey, there's always that! I hope they at least got the ratings bump and never speak of it again.

I will say that anyone comparing AEW to WCW 2000 obviously never watched WCW in the year 2000. No only did it have all the Russo inside baseball bullshit, but the wrestling, matches, and PPVs were all awful. In contrast, on this show, Copeland vs. Penta was awesome, and the stuff where the wrestlers actually addressed wrestlers they were feuding with worked. There are also at least 3 or 4 matches that I'm very much looking forward to at the PLE. Just move on from Punk and stop booking to the dumb ass online tribalists.

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235. "there were people that liked WCW 2000 too"
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>In contrast, on this show, Copeland vs. Penta was awesome, and the stuff where the wrestlers actually addressed wrestlers they were feuding with worked. There are also at least 3 or 4 matches that I'm very much looking forward to at the PLE.<

also actually had a lot of fast paced athletic matches that people can still watch today and appreciate.

there are a lot more similarities than you seem willing to acknowledge.

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237. "They had maybe one Kidman vs. Elix Skipper match on a 3-hour..."
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...TV show. And those matches were five-minute afterthoughts, almost completely ignored in favor of the "New Version of the NWO"/"Who's the commissioner" angles that ran all through WCW 2000. In contrast, the Copeland vs. Penta and Osprey vs. Fletcher/Takeshita/Hobbs (pick one or any) are given a shit ton of air-time and hype.

And whatever anyone might think of the Bucks, they have an established track record of having great matches with FTR. I don't expect this one to be any different. You give me a choice between goofy build-up/great PLE match and great build-up/lackluster PPV match, I'm taking the former every time.

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239. "Lance Storm was a central part of WCW 2000 TV"
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and he was awesome.

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240. "Storm was indeed awesome, but they blew every chance..."
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242. "good wrestlers having "good matches" among horrendous booking you say?"
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243. "This is why I can't take a lot of the AEW criticism seriously"
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Stupid decision = "Horrendous booking" = WCW 2000. Okay.

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244. "you editorialized the body of your message bc i didnt say that"
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horrendous booking = horrendous booking, and it didnt start last night

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238. "Yung Dragons/3 Count was always outstanding. "