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"CFB Offseason / Portal / Signing Day"


          

QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play there).

USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his coach's endorsement.

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so Deion *was* able to get a new OL through the portal
Dec 20th 2023
1
but are they any good? portal doesnt always equate to better.
Dec 20th 2023
5
Yeah, this remains to be seen
Dec 20th 2023
9
Kahlil Benson is, idk about the rest
Dec 20th 2023
14
He got a bunch of pieces and players, that doesn’t mean he has
Dec 20th 2023
8
so much for jordan seaton
Dec 22nd 2023
17
      Supposedly he just signed
Dec 22nd 2023
19
           weird
Dec 22nd 2023
20
currently manifesting Domani Jackson to Michigan
Dec 20th 2023
2
while i'm manifesting him to UW.
Dec 20th 2023
7
bama bound
Dec 29th 2023
49
      le sigh
Dec 29th 2023
50
WR U
Dec 20th 2023
3
lol we are the Kentucky of CFB
Dec 20th 2023
11
he may have just wanted more guaranteed money elsewhere
Dec 20th 2023
4
seems odd all around
Dec 20th 2023
12
ya the will howard marriage is a weird one
Dec 22nd 2023
18
i dont think he got it at Boise
Jan 11th 2024
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is Alabama considered QB U now?
Dec 20th 2023
6
yeah Mac Jones put em over the top
Dec 20th 2023
10
Mac, Hurts, Tua, Bryce? their last 4 QB's have ended up starting...
Dec 24th 2023
24
      and two of them are worse at football than you are at posting
Dec 24th 2023
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      Then who is o wise one?
Dec 25th 2023
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      Hurts doesn't count
Dec 24th 2023
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      Hurts doesn’t count
Dec 24th 2023
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           If you dont count him what school has had more starting qbs in the NFL?
Dec 25th 2023
34
                I don’t think any school has churned out enough productive QBs for tha...
Dec 25th 2023
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                     All these position U convos are arbitrary people seem sensitive about…
Dec 25th 2023
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                          JT Barrett is on the Detroit Lions coaching staff , QB coach
Jan 04th 2024
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I think it's whatever school Lincoln Riley is coaching at
Dec 28th 2023
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I think Tennessee told their experienced DBs with eligibility to bounce
Dec 20th 2023
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lmao.. they all need to go
Dec 22nd 2023
15
      DE Tyler Baron was the only real starter that will be missed
Dec 22nd 2023
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Fran Brown is getting recruits to Cuse like it’s the 90s
Dec 23rd 2023
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It could all take off just in time for the ACC to collapse
Dec 23rd 2023
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yeah, this conference thing is so ridiculous
Dec 24th 2023
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very bizarre
Dec 24th 2023
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      Agreed
Dec 24th 2023
29
QB Maalik Murphy to Duke is big for them
Dec 24th 2023
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This is a good and surprising pickup for Duke
Dec 24th 2023
31
Been happy with Diaz’s early moves.
Dec 25th 2023
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      my only concern would be...
Dec 27th 2023
37
           what choice you got, son? (c)
Dec 27th 2023
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           yeah....
Dec 27th 2023
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           ^^^
Dec 27th 2023
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           ya i thought of this immediately
Dec 27th 2023
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Nico time
Dec 27th 2023
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my prediction is poorly
Dec 27th 2023
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      Milton might have even be nudged into this
Dec 28th 2023
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           that seems odd to me
Dec 28th 2023
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is this the defacto spot to talk non-playoff bowls?
Dec 27th 2023
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I think this is the spot
Dec 27th 2023
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NIL confidential from HS recruits -- The Athletic
Jan 03rd 2024
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Interesting
Jan 14th 2024
75
QB Will Howard (Kansas State) to Ohio State
Jan 05th 2024
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lol desperation setting in with Ryan Day…Kienholz utter trash
Jan 05th 2024
56
good one-year stop gap and gives them a chance to contend next year
Jan 05th 2024
58
Quinshon Judkins??
Jan 05th 2024
54
rumors that it is internal issues with his team
Jan 05th 2024
55
jeeeez
Jan 05th 2024
57
going to Ohio State
Jan 08th 2024
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this is like putting a band-aid over a bullet wound
Jan 09th 2024
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welcome aboard!
Jan 08th 2024
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FSU bout to catch "unprecedented penalties" for NIL violations
Jan 11th 2024
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since when did NIL have rules?
Jan 11th 2024
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lol i know right?
Jan 11th 2024
64
hooooooo boy, FSU fans are HOT
Jan 11th 2024
65
is this satire?
Jan 12th 2024
67
im more amused about FSU illegally buying players
Jan 12th 2024
69
      I'm still confused at how you can illegally buy them
Jan 13th 2024
73
*clutches pearls*
Jan 12th 2024
70
Where's the penalty for Mike Norvell?
Jan 12th 2024
71
      all valid questions
Jan 12th 2024
72
WR Evan Stewart to Oregon
Jan 12th 2024
68
Arizona's Jedd Fisch to Washington
Jan 14th 2024
74
it's who i wanted us to hire.
Jan 18th 2024
77
bama's top freshmen jumping ship
Jan 18th 2024
76
Downs bothers me because he was so good!
Jan 18th 2024
78
Proctor is a major piece for a half-decent Iowa OC
Jan 18th 2024
79
right, will be annoying AF if they end up at UGA
Jan 18th 2024
80
probably Downs
Jan 18th 2024
81
i wish...seems to be uga bound
Jan 18th 2024
82
just lost Niblack to TX too.
Jan 19th 2024
86
just lost Julian Sayin lmao
Jan 19th 2024
88
i'm just waiting for the news that Jalen Milroe is in the portal.
Jan 19th 2024
89
it won't be complete until kienholz is the starter at bama
Jan 19th 2024
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*refills popcorn*
Jan 19th 2024
90
      was this inevitable or is deboer just not doing a good job here?
Jan 19th 2024
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      we don't know how well DeBoer can recruit
Jan 19th 2024
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      this is why UW fans are so mad about the guys he "took."
Jan 19th 2024
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           and nobody was really pursuing Penix like that
Jan 19th 2024
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      some of this was going to happen regardless of who came in.
Jan 21st 2024
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      *daps*
Jan 21st 2024
110
Downs to osu...holy shit
Jan 19th 2024
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best of both worlds
Jan 19th 2024
102
      always been an elite recruiter but clearly their NIL game has changed
Jan 21st 2024
105
           Yeah I was gonna ask - is this alumni contributing to NIL that
Jan 22nd 2024
112
                all signs point to the former
Jan 22nd 2024
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                RE: all signs point to the former
Jan 22nd 2024
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                     I personally think it's good for the rivalry.
Jan 22nd 2024
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                     but i get crucified for saying it!
Jan 22nd 2024
124
                     pay for play inducements are not legal means
Jan 22nd 2024
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                          lol I try to be the nice reasonable fan, then you come in
Jan 22nd 2024
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                          its kinda pathetic to be honest
Jan 22nd 2024
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                          except y'all are literally in here caring about osu's transfer portal
Jan 22nd 2024
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                               I’m just kicking it…doesn’t mean I’m pressed about OSU’s roste...
Jan 23rd 2024
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                               RE: I’m just kicking it…doesn’t mean I’m pressed about OSU’s r...
Jan 23rd 2024
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                                    grad transfers were the vast majority
Jan 24th 2024
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                                         ^^^^^^^
Jan 24th 2024
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                               its an offseason post. i could check to see if UM is still top dog?
Jan 23rd 2024
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                                    that's great!
Jan 23rd 2024
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                          uhh, are you accusing osu of doing something illegal?
Jan 22nd 2024
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                               no, im saying YOU dont know either way
Jan 23rd 2024
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                                    well you missed the shade part as i was referring to mich
Jan 23rd 2024
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                I honestly have no idea how any of this shit works
Jan 22nd 2024
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                     nobody does, on either front
Jan 22nd 2024
120
                          Yep. That’s why there is still such a variance on what schools
Jan 22nd 2024
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Sayin to OSU
Jan 21st 2024
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      perfect
Jan 21st 2024
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Bill O'Brien to be OSU OC
Jan 18th 2024
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didnt he bounce on PSU in spectacularly dickish fashion?
Jan 19th 2024
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I don't recall. He was there for 2 years though.
Jan 19th 2024
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They couldnt get anyone to take that job
Jan 19th 2024
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      Exactly. At the time it was a possibility PSU would get the
Jan 19th 2024
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           for some reason thats not how i remember it
Jan 19th 2024
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           I honestly don’t recall many people being upset. We knew the deal
Jan 19th 2024
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           There’s never a good way to leave a coaching gig.
Jan 19th 2024
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                ohhhhhhh yeah. now i remember.
Jan 19th 2024
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           RE: Exactly. At the time it was a possibility PSU would get the
Jan 19th 2024
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                i forgot i actually have some "personal" exp him
Jan 19th 2024
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                     RE: i forgot i actually have some "personal" exp him
Jan 21st 2024
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Grand opening. Grand closing?
Feb 06th 2024
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      maybe!
Feb 06th 2024
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LSU OT Lance Heard to Tennessee
Jan 21st 2024
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Deboer was able to keep Ryan Williams.
Jan 24th 2024
133
not sure anyone saw Lincoln struggling to recruit CA
Jan 24th 2024
134
even Venables recruiting California better
Jan 25th 2024
136
Harbs to LAC, UM apparently applied for waiver to hire Moore tmrw
Jan 24th 2024
135
Ryan Day on his knees thanking God / Chargers
Jan 25th 2024
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Yep, bottom line is the bottom line.
Jan 25th 2024
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im not writing off next year
Jan 25th 2024
141
      You're more optimistic than me, but I like to manage expectations.
Jan 26th 2024
144
           Mike interviewed for IU's OC job last year
Jan 26th 2024
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                Good to know re: Davis
Jan 26th 2024
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would've preferred he stayed but whateva
Jan 25th 2024
139
there are only *THREE* active head coaches with a national title ring.
Jan 25th 2024
140
im in the opposite camp
Jan 25th 2024
142
it took a while for this to hit
Jan 25th 2024
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 26th 2024
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           think of the 99 team
Jan 26th 2024
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                Whole vibe of the regular season is changed.
Jan 26th 2024
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                     cant wait to play it already knowing its getting run back
Jan 26th 2024
150
Sherrone Moore is official
Jan 26th 2024
151
NCAA trying to pin Tennessee down for paying Nico in 2022
Jan 31st 2024
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CHEATING!
Jan 31st 2024
153
Carson Beck buying a Lamborghini is a milestone of late capitalism
Feb 06th 2024
156
Chip Kelly leaves UCLA to become Ohio St OC?!
Feb 09th 2024
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10 years ago this would have been very concerning
Feb 09th 2024
158
he's not coming to osu to install the 2023 ucla offense
Feb 09th 2024
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      he will probably fix the running game
Feb 09th 2024
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           ya i think he'll help diversify the run game for sure
Feb 10th 2024
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The master has become the apprentice, Chip really wants out of UCLA
Feb 09th 2024
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This is WILD. I know the circumstances are unique...
Feb 09th 2024
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desperate to GTFO of Westwood
Feb 09th 2024
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it just happened with jeff hafley. it could be a sign of things to come.
Feb 09th 2024
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      Going from college to NFL is different though.
Feb 09th 2024
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           i think the specific story is that the ceo responsibilities have changed
Feb 10th 2024
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didn't think Ohio State could get more hateable, lol.
Feb 09th 2024
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we desperately need Sfmatt back in this forum for the 2024 season
Feb 09th 2024
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I used to talk to him on twitter , lol he let me hear it after Oregon b...
Feb 11th 2024
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I'm way more optimistic about this hire than bill o brien
Feb 11th 2024
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Wink Martindale to UM as DC
Feb 09th 2024
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I'm meh on this hire. I don't know much about Wink beyond
Feb 09th 2024
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      both of those things are true
Feb 09th 2024
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      Aaaaaaaaaaand now Clink is gone too.
Feb 10th 2024
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           he apparently told the players he was coming back
Feb 10th 2024
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                Right. Just as of earlier this week players thought
Feb 10th 2024
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                     the stuff about him telling players he'd be back
Feb 11th 2024
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                          no. solid media types reported players confirming that.
Feb 11th 2024
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      this seemed like such a petty 'FUCK YOU' kinda move by harb
Feb 10th 2024
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           Herbert was the most surprising.
Feb 10th 2024
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           Im still not seeing the rebuild
Feb 10th 2024
181
                I guess it depends on definition of rebuild/reload...
Feb 12th 2024
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           very weird
Feb 10th 2024
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                can't imagine any reason why the mich staff would want to bail
Feb 11th 2024
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                     Harbaugh himself did it before.
Feb 11th 2024
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                          a lot of those Stanford assistants were career pros tho
Feb 11th 2024
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Walters’ recruiting his ass off, way above Brohm levels
Feb 09th 2024
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i actually kinda feel bad about Jo'ziah Edmunds
Feb 09th 2024
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      I have no idea who that is. Not following closely to know names
Feb 10th 2024
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DeShaun Foster is new UCLA HC
Feb 12th 2024
191
Michigan has its first bummer portal entry
Feb 16th 2024
192
Tennessee tells NCAA to fuck off, federal judge agrees
Feb 23rd 2024
193

will_5198
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1. "so Deion *was* able to get a new OL through the portal"
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The massive need along the offensive line has been addressed. Colorado has picked up five linemen in Matthew Bedford (Indiana), Kahlil Benson (Indiana), Tyler Johnson (Houston), Justin Mayers (UTEP) and Yakiri Walker (UConn) who’ve made a combined 114 career starts and played more than 8,100 snaps.

-- The Athletic

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5. "but are they any good? portal doesnt always equate to better."
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>The massive need along the offensive line has been addressed.
>Colorado has picked up five linemen in Matthew Bedford
>(Indiana), Kahlil Benson (Indiana), Tyler Johnson (Houston),
>Justin Mayers (UTEP) and Yakiri Walker (UConn) who’ve made a
>combined 114 career starts and played more than 8,100 snaps.
>
>-- The Athletic

  

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9. "Yeah, this remains to be seen"
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Those players are coming from programs that had losing records this season and none of those are big time programs. They do have a lot of snaps and experience but only 2 have played in a P4 conference and have P4 experience.

  

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14. "Kahlil Benson is, idk about the rest"
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8. "He got a bunch of pieces and players, that doesn’t mean he has "
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A competent OL. It remains to be seen if these players can play together as a cohesive unit. The OL isn’t like WR or RB where you can just plug and play.

  

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17. "so much for jordan seaton"
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I'm guessing deion won't be around long enough to deal with bringing in 5 kids in a recruiting class

  

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19. "Supposedly he just signed "
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20. "weird"
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2. "currently manifesting Domani Jackson to Michigan"
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UM can get him right

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7. "while i'm manifesting him to UW."
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let's see who manifests better, lol

  

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49. "bama bound"
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50. "le sigh"
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3. "WR U "
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https://247sports.com/article/signing-day-recruiting-coaches-desire-generational-jeremiah-smith-but-what-does-the-nations-no-1-recruit-want--223476756/amp/


>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>there).
>
>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was
>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.

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11. "lol we are the Kentucky of CFB"
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Except we lose to our rival

>https://247sports.com/article/signing-day-recruiting-coaches-desire-generational-jeremiah-smith-but-what-does-the-nations-no-1-recruit-want--223476756/amp/
>
>
>>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>>there).
>>
>>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley
>was
>>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so
>I
>>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>>coach's endorsement.
>

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4. "he may have just wanted more guaranteed money elsewhere"
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> can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.

nowadays there's a lot more variables that come into play outside of basic talent evaluation

it's made it all pretty boring to follow IMO

  

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12. "seems odd all around"
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Riley taking a guy who was more or less benched at Kansas State and only has one year of eligibility left (not that that itself is damning, Jalen Hurts was basically in the same position when he went to OU)

Nelson leaving puts another dent in Riley's already thin recruiting resume at SC

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18. "ya the will howard marriage is a weird one"
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sc people seem to know that this could get real ugly real quick. caleb covered up an awful lot of warts (and potential losses) and the defensive rebuild could take a solid 2-3 years.

it's funny to think about the carroll stretch where mulitple elite qb's stayed in the system for 3-4 years before getting their chance to start.

maybe nelson could've been a legit player had he been given the time to develop and grow.


>Riley taking a guy who was more or less benched at Kansas
>State and only has one year of eligibility left (not that that
>itself is damning, Jalen Hurts was basically in the same
>position when he went to OU)
>
>Nelson leaving puts another dent in Riley's already thin
>recruiting resume at SC

  

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66. "i dont think he got it at Boise"
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6. "is Alabama considered QB U now?"
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10. "yeah Mac Jones put em over the top"
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24. "Mac, Hurts, Tua, Bryce? their last 4 QB's have ended up starting..."
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in the NFL

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25. "and two of them are worse at football than you are at posting"
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so, no, they are not QB U

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33. "Then who is o wise one?"
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>so, no, they are not QB U

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26. "Hurts doesn't count"
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he got benched at bama and then transferred out, that's like saying Caleb Williams counts for OU or Kyler Murray is part of A&M

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30. "Hurts doesn’t count "
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If he had stayed at Bama, he might not get drafted and I don’t think he would have developed as well as he has without his year at Oklahoma.

  

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34. "If you dont count him what school has had more starting qbs in the NFL?"
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35. "I don’t think any school has churned out enough productive QBs for tha..."
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Even when USC supposedly had it , Sanchez and Barkley were garbage in the NFL

Leinert was ok

Palmer was good but not great

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36. "All these position U convos are arbitrary people seem sensitive about…"
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Alabama but literally their last 4 qb’s have been starters in the nfl even with Mac Jones getting benched this year does anybody compete with that? I know osu is close with Stroud, Fields and Haskins, who was before him? JT Barrett? Did he play in the NFL?

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52. "JT Barrett is on the Detroit Lions coaching staff , QB coach "
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i think he got drafted in late rounds but never made the final roster


I feel comfortable in saying we can be considered for WR U

USED to be DB U, but idk anymore



>Alabama but literally their last 4 qb’s have been starters
>in the nfl even with Mac Jones getting benched this year does
>anybody compete with that? I know osu is close with Stroud,
>Fields and Haskins, who was before him? JT Barrett? Did he
>play in the NFL?

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48. "I think it's whatever school Lincoln Riley is coaching at"
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His taste and loyalty for his DC did him in this year, but his track record of QBs has to be unmatched in the last 20 years.

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13. "I think Tennessee told their experienced DBs with eligibility to bounce"
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they already brought in one corner from Oregon State and have offered several more, which is what I have been clamoring for the past two years

S Tamarion McDonald -> Ole Miss
- He was average on his best day and had some really bad beats, watching him during the Missouri or bama games and you wonder how he was a starter for two years (mental mistakes galore)

CB Doneiko Slaughter -> Arkansas
- Showed promise as an underclassman but got worse with more playing time

CB Warren Burrell -> Georgia Tech
- Always hurt or buried on the depth chart

S Brandon Turnage ->
- bama transfer but way too stiff to play in the secondary and not a good tackler, frankly it was scary whenever he had to be on the field

I don't think any of the above are super talented, but if they end up playing much better in the SEC then you can only blame Willie Martinez at this point (which would not be a surprise)

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15. "lmao.. they all need to go"
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16. "DE Tyler Baron was the only real starter that will be missed"
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but also peace the fuck out, he has gone into the portal three times and Tennessee can live without the majority of his sacks coming against shitty teams

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21. "Fran Brown is getting recruits to Cuse like it’s the 90s"
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Haven’t seen this level of recruiting in 25 years. If the results on the field are there(against a soft schedule) next year, I’m excited that this could really take off.

  

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22. "It could all take off just in time for the ACC to collapse"
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23. "yeah, this conference thing is so ridiculous "
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27. "very bizarre"
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not discounting him, just quite amazing he is able to pull together some national recruits to a program that was regional-based even in its glory years, all in a couple of weeks

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29. "Agreed "
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>not discounting him, just quite amazing he is able to pull
>together some national recruits to a program that was
>regional-based even in its glory years, all in a couple of
>weeks

Though in the best of times, Syracuse did very well in New Jersey and that’s where a lot of these kids are from, with a few from Georgia following him.

Doing well in NJ/NE/PA and grabbing a few from Florida or something would be enough to do well in the ACC IMO.

  

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28. "QB Maalik Murphy to Duke is big for them"
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raw talent but a definite talent -- especially in the ACC

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31. "This is a good and surprising pickup for Duke"
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32. "Been happy with Diaz’s early moves."
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No real clue what to expect Year 1, but he’s done a good job saying the right things, bringing back Jaquez Moore, nabbing Murphy. Fans are cautiously optimistic.

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37. "my only concern would be..."
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can he take a step back from the defense and be a head coach?

concerns the OSU contingent have expressed about Ryan Day and the offense are definitely in play

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38. "what choice you got, son? (c)"
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it's Duke football

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40. "yeah...."
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yeah.

lol

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Either it won't work out and we'll move on in 3-4 years, or it'll work out beautifully and he'll leave the second it does. Either way, it is what it is.

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42. "ya i thought of this immediately"
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>concerns the OSU contingent have expressed about Ryan Day and
>the offense are definitely in play

not really the greatest comparison tho since day has not been near the disaster diaz was at miami. but both may be far better suited for coordinator roles.

personally i think its a crap hire for duke

  

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39. "Nico time"
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should be interesting to see how he plays against a very good Iowa defense

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41. "my prediction is poorly"
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they were much more deceitful in the B1GCG than they had been all year, with cover 3 and 2high man that looked exactly the same until the very last second

but beyond that...why is this happening? what does Joe Milton think hes gonna spend the next 2 weeks doing thats going to do more for him than a good showing against an elite defense?

what "draft status" is he trying to protect? did some dummy give him a second round promise trying to be Captain Save-a-QB?

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46. "Milton might have even be nudged into this "
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to give Nico an early start on 2024; he's a little different in regards to his motivations and I definitely give him credit as a great teammate

I don't hold anything against a departing player for opting out of a non-playoff game at this point, for whatever reason -- trying to stay healthy and maximize your draft chances is one of them

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47. "that seems odd to me"
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i dont think Heupel would take away a guy's last chance to impress the NFL, and I dont think Milton has done enough to be able to afford passing on that opportunity

i think Milton is making a financial mistake if he really "opted" out, not that he owes anyone something

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43. "is this the defacto spot to talk non-playoff bowls?"
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or is someone other than myself going to have to risk disrupting the okp user experience by creating a separate thread?

  

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44. "I think this is the spot"
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51. "NIL confidential from HS recruits -- The Athletic"
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all players are from the UA All-America game

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Did you sign with the school that offered you the best NIL deal? If not, how much did you leave on the table to sign with where you ultimately decided to go?

• It wasn’t a big difference for me in terms of the total package. All the schools offered about $300,000 to $400,000 per year with the ability to earn more.

• I left some money on the table, about $50,000. But I signed with my dream school.

• I had another school offer me the same NIL deal in total, but with a signing bonus. The signing bonus would’ve been basically a really nice car. The NIL deal is like an NFL rookie contract. I had an agent handle it all for me. As soon as NIL came out, my dad was like, “You need an agent.” When schools call, they have the position coach, head coach and the money man from the collective call you. That last guy is the one who talks about NIL with the agent.

• I signed with the team that gave me the best chance to make the NFL, not the most NIL money.

• I didn’t sign with the school who offered me the biggest NIL deal I could’ve gotten, but coming from where I come from, any money I receive from a college is life-changing money.

• I signed completely off the bond I built with coaches. I didn’t start talking about NIL until recently. I’ll be making about $80,000 to $100,000 per year. A couple other schools had similar offers.

• No, I didn’t. I signed with (my school) and they gave me like $90,000. I feel like it’s not really about the money for me and I like (my school). … I want to say (my best offer was about) $200,000. They came in the process late and (my school) was there since my freshman year so it was easy.

• I didn’t sign with the school who offered the biggest deal. In total, it was probably about $300,000 in difference for the three years. Why did I go to the school offering less money? Because in the long run I could go somewhere where I can stay focused — not be distracted — and get on the field right away.

• I left some money on the table. I didn’t bring up NIL until my official visits. One team told me if I committed early and helped bring other guys in, they’d give me $40,000 a month up until I signed. But I didn’t sign with them.

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Did you partake in any trolling of fan bases with comments on social media for your personal enjoyment?

• A little bit. I’d put out photos of myself at a school I wasn’t visiting just to see what people might say. There were times I’d put out like statements — like you’d do if you were decommitting — to scare people. You just need to have fun sometimes.

• I trolled people indirectly. Usually it was our rival. As far as adding followers, I added teams to my list at times and it worked.

• Yeah. I was trolling (a rival school), like posting stuff saying I was gonna commit there. I was just doing it for fun.

• Me and one of my high school teammates would send out certain hashtags and emojis to get fan bases from other teams on social media riled up. It was more about being bored and wanting to do something to see how people might react.

• I dropped a top 10 when I was really only looking at four or five schools. I did it for the followers. I got like 231,000 views for it and picked up followers.

• Every day. To get my followers up? Every day. Gosh. All the emojis, all the question marks, “Is this home?” I was getting all my committed friends to send me messages just so I could reply and be like, “Should I come here?” Follow me up. Follow me up. Follow me up.

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Who were the nicest coaches you met during the process — from schools you didn’t sign with?

• Sonny Dykes at TCU and Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. Dykes is a family-oriented coach. I have the utmost respect for coaches from Texas.

• I really liked (Georgia) coach (Kirby) Smart, (ex-defensive backs coach) Fran (Brown). (Miami defensive coordinator Lance) Guidry and (executive director Dennis Smith). Just good people. They talk to you about more than football.

• (Florida’s Billy) Napier is a really good dude. So is (Mike) Norvell at Florida State. Coach (Kirby) Smart is a business guy.

• (SMU’s) Rhett Lashlee. He was the most genuine head coach. You can tell it was the real him. Some coaches like to put a face on during the game and another off the field. He was him on and off the field. That’s actually how he acts and moves.

• (Miami’s) Mario Cristobal and (Penn State’s) James Franklin. It doesn’t have to be just about football with them.

• (Ohio State’s) Ryan Day. You feel like you can talk to him about anything.

• (Alabama’s) Nick Saban. He was different than I expected.

• I want to say between (Tennessee’s) coach Heup (Josh Heupel) and (Oregon’s) Dan Lanning. Coach Heup, down to earth guy. … He’s really nice. Off the field, he’s a nice guy. Good person and he actually cares about his players. He knows his players. His players can come to him, and I see that with my own eyes. And then Dan Lanning, not a lot of people know this, I’m not sure, but his wife had cancer. … I feel like just to open up about that — because he knew me for probably about four or five, six, seven months (and) he’s known his wife probably for forever — I don’t know how to say it, but he’s a soft heart.

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Who was the weirdest or most arrogant coach you met during the process and why?

• Probably (Colorado’s) Deion (Sanders). It’s all love though. He goes about it in his own unique way. It’s not arrogance — just cockiness.

• (Rutgers’ Greg Schiano) was too robotic.

• Nobody was really arrogant. (Clemson coach Dabo) Swinney isn’t stuck in his ways but doesn’t really want to change much.

• I’d say coach Saban. My mom wasn’t happy with him. We were at a table eating and he acknowledged me, but not my parents. My mom said, “If you’re acknowledging my son, you should acknowledge me.”

• (Ex-Texas A&M coach) Jimbo Fisher. I watched him in practice. He yelled and cussed at guys too much.

• Fisher and Saban. Talking to Saban felt like talking to a robot. It didn’t feel real.

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We heard recruits could make money just for taking an unofficial visit to a school. How many times did you take an unofficial visit just to collect some cash?

• I mean there’s probably somewhere between 45 to 50 kids I know who did it. Usually it was around $6,000 to $7,000. You do an interview with this podcast, come down, we’ll pay for your room, your trip, etc.

• I don’t know what you’re talking about.

• I did it a couple times. It was less than $1,000 each time.

• I took like five or six unofficials. I didn’t get paid every time.

• I didn’t know you could do that. For real? I wish I would have — I would have been collecting. Oh my gah. I didn’t have that. I wish.

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If you could fix one thing about the recruiting process what would it be and why?

• Coaches should be able to talk to you whenever they offer you in high school. Starting earlier is smarter.

• Having to pay to go anywhere for an official or unofficial. If you’re not within a two- to three-hour driving distance, expenses should always be covered.

• Less calling. Coaches call way too much. Let us be kids and enjoy life.

• Can’t take visits if you’re committed. If you’re locked in and want to take a trip, you can’t do it. That’s one thing I agree with Dabo Swinney about. Don’t lead a school on.

• For me, more money. Definitely more money. For all of recruiting, I would say let the coaches just text players earlier. There’s just random dead periods. That’d be the thing I’d change.

• Bring back the photo shoots. People need to have fun on their visits. I got my chance to do it. I took photos everywhere. But I know other guys that didn’t get a chance to.

• I would probably say going to more games. Not necessarily in my area. I went to a lot of games in my area, but I would probably say more games around the country. But I really wasn’t trying to — that’s a lot. I wish I would have, though.

• Being able to be recruited before your junior year. It’s a dumb rule you can’t. I mean as soon as you enter high school that’s when things get real anyway.

• I’ll say this: I wish they could do the rankings based off what you do in an actual game, rather than what you do in a 7-on-7 tournament. At the end of the day, we’re playing football. So I think the best football player should be ranked the highest.

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75. "Interesting"
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It's good that the athletes are smarter at this than adults give them credit for. Although, as an adult, the thought of high schoolers trolling recruiters at other schools, people who owe their livelihood to bringing in top athletes, doesn't sit well. But then again, they're 17 and 18. That's what they do. LOL

The anecdote about the athlete's family's situation being improved by the NIL money was heartwarming.

The quotes about the recruiting skills of the head coaches aren't terribly surprising. But Saban was out of pocket for not acknowledging the parents. When I read that, I could see my mother saying the same thing if an adult didn't acknowledge her if they were invited to my home. LOL

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53. "QB Will Howard (Kansas State) to Ohio State"
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one-year rental, was connected to USC but maybe Moss scared him off with that bowl game

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56. "lol desperation setting in with Ryan Day…Kienholz utter trash"
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>one-year rental, was connected to USC but maybe Moss scared
>him off with that bowl game

Nolan years away from being impactful

One more year of this fat fuck and then we can hit the reset button inshallah

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58. "good one-year stop gap and gives them a chance to contend next year"
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brings size, EXPERIENCE, and the ability to run which absolutely has to be integrated into the offense. he's just not a good enough passer to rely on that aspect of his game.

supposedly day will be gutting the offensive staff and bringing in a real OC to call the plays which im sure will pay dividends. but it's a reactive move that probably falls under the category of too little too late. which will be an interesting dynamic since it should be a pretty good team next year if most of the defensive players return as expected.

  

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54. "Quinshon Judkins??"
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a record setting dark horse Heisman candidate from a preseason top 5ish team

wtf

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55. "rumors that it is internal issues with his team"
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and his circle

NIL was apparently fine

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57. "jeeeez"
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neither party is going to be benefit from separation

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59. "going to Ohio State"
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61. "this is like putting a band-aid over a bullet wound"
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just like the will howard transfer

We need major changes in coaching staff, from O line to D - line to safeties , special teams etc

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60. "welcome aboard!"
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get another portal OL and an OC to make the calls and we're headed in a good direction

  

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62. "FSU bout to catch "unprecedented penalties" for NIL violations"
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yeah gone head and drop that lawsuit and sit tf down

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-levies-significant-penalties-on-florida-state-for-nil-recruiting-violations-002044975.html

Thirty months into the era of name, image and likeness, the NCAA is finally dropping the hammer.

The association is levying significant penalties on Florida State football, one of its NIL collectives and a booster, as well as an assistant coach, for NIL-related recruiting violations in the most serious and unprecedented sanctions handed down in the first 2 1/2 years of NIL. Multiple sources with knowledge of the decision and penalties spoke to Yahoo Sports under condition of anonymity.

The sanctions, wide-ranging and broad, are tied to a spring 2022 recruiting event and are part of a resolution negotiated between the school and the NCAA.

A Florida State assistant coach, offensive coordinator Alex Atkins, is found to have committed two Level II violations, which include impermissible recruiting activity and facilitating impermissible contact with an NIL-related booster. Atkins is alleged to have driven a prospect and his parents to a meeting with a leading member of the school’s NIL collective, Rising Spear.

During that meeting, according to the NCAA, the booster encouraged the prospect to enroll at Florida State and offered him an NIL opportunity with the collective worth approximately $15,000 per month during his first year at the school.

As part of the penalties, Atkins will be suspended the first three games of the 2024 regular season and is given a two-year show-cause. A show-cause requires schools who hire Atkins to explain the decision to NCAA officials. Atkins is expected to remain on FSU’s staff in his current role.

In a first of its kind in the NIL era, the school must disassociate with the NIL collective representative for a term of three years. The school also must disassociate from the NIL collective for one year. As part of the dissociation, FSU cannot accept assistance from the collective and the collective cannot contribute to the athletic program in any way. However, the collective is free to continue working with FSU athletes on NIL endeavors.

Other penalties, which were confirmed by the NCAA Thursday, include:

- two years of probation.

- scholarship reductions of 5% over the next two academic years.

- a reduction by seven in official recruiting visits for 2023-24.

- a prohibition on recruiting communication for six weeks over the next two academic years, including this next week (Jan. 12-18).

- a prohibition on communication with athletes in the transfer portal from April 15-21.

- a reduction by 18 evaluation days this spring.

- a financial penalty of 1% of the athletic department’s budget.

The NCAA’s rules around NIL are murky. The association only has an interim NIL policy that provides guidance to programs — a policy that is under continuous change in this ever-evolving landscape of athlete compensation.

In fact, the organization adopted new guidance just this week around NIL, but those changes are not retroactively applied. The organization also adopted new recommendations on Thursday that permit schools to have more communication with collectives and facilitate deals with enrolled athletes.

The NCAA sanctions are the latest issue in which FSU is thrust into the news cycle.

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63. "since when did NIL have rules?"
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64. "lol i know right?"
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65. "hooooooo boy, FSU fans are HOT"
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67. "is this satire? "
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head coaches are openly tampering on Twitter and we're supposed to care about a kid in the transfer portal having a bag meeting with a NIL booster?

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69. "im more amused about FSU illegally buying players"
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when you can absolutely legally buy players

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73. "I'm still confused at how you can illegally buy them"
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NIL is literally pay for play

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70. "*clutches pearls*"
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71. "Where's the penalty for Mike Norvell?"
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I thought the HC was responsible whether he knew or not right? Why are we only finding out about this now? Where were the weekly leaks? Where's ESPN and Pete Thamel to defame FSU at every turn?


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72. "all valid questions"
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68. "WR Evan Stewart to Oregon"
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glad he isn't going to another SEC team

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74. "Arizona's Jedd Fisch to Washington"
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another program's turn to get kicked in the balls

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77. "it's who i wanted us to hire."
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but yeah, the whole thing just feels dirty.

everyone just has to be down in the mud with everyone else or you lose.

but, while we're down here, i hope he can convince every good player at Arizona to transfer to UW, cuz we need them since all of our good ones ALSO transferred or went to the league.

  

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76. "bama's top freshmen jumping ship"
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need Caleb Downs to go to Ohio State

Kayden Proctor needs to go home to the Big 11 too

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78. "Downs bothers me because he was so good!"
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besides him and Bond, the others haven't been stars or not even starters.

I'm anxious about those leaving but also the recruitment since the OC/DC aren't familiar with SEC land.

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79. "Proctor is a major piece for a half-decent Iowa OC"
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but, ya know... we'll see how that goes

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80. "right, will be annoying AF if they end up at UGA"
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81. "probably Downs"
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but Georgia is going to be loaded anyway, I'd rather at least have one of the two get weaker

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82. "i wish...seems to be uga bound"
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>need Caleb Downs to go to Ohio State

  

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86. "just lost Niblack to TX too."
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we didn't use him enough, but he should get some burn out there.

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88. "just lost Julian Sayin lmao"
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speculation that he might follow O'Brien to osu. shit is wild out here.

  

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89. "i'm just waiting for the news that Jalen Milroe is in the portal. "
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Austin Mack just transferred from UW to Bama to follow DeBoer. I can just about guarantee DeBoer is pegging Mack to be the starter.

I've never gotten to see Mack play while he was here cuz he RS'd, but everyone says he looks like Cam Newton and throws like Michael Penix Jr.

so....yeah.

  

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91. "it won't be complete until kienholz is the starter at bama"
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90. "*refills popcorn*"
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bama fans are in the denial/mini-meltdown stage (probably not tariqhu; most normal bama fan I've seen on the internet)

blaming Saban for his retirement timing

blaming Downs and the rest of them for NIL bag chasing

saying they are better off with DeBoer and it was time for a change anyway

these guys were recruited by one of the best recruiters in CFB history and bama fans got it confused that their "brand" was the one doing all the work

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92. "was this inevitable or is deboer just not doing a good job here?"
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>saying they are better off with DeBoer and it was time for a
>change anyway

to play the 'what if' game would we have seen the same level of attrition with lanning?

cautionary tale for osu as i think their roster would similarly implode if Day were canned

  

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93. "we don't know how well DeBoer can recruit"
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we know he can turn around a team, but we've never seen him build or sustain one at the P5 level

DeBoer hasn't won many national recruiting battles, and the stretch of states between East Texas and North Florida is the most competitive recruiting region in America

if DeBoer had more of a recruiting reputation you could chalk it up to the game, but at this point the jury is out

Lanning probably recruited half these bama defections himself at Georgia so that is a unique comparison, but he'd definitely have a leg up IMO

bama fans last night: "Sayin is locked in"
bama fans today: "DeBoer probably told Sayin to bounce because he had Mack coming in"

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94. "this is why UW fans are so mad about the guys he "took.""
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cuz he left the cupboard bare here. he didn't really recruit anyone.

he might be the illest coach ever and the best recruiter ever - time will tell, but he won with the guys that were here from the prior administration.

his biggest move was bringing Penix, but he had the advantage of already knowing him from Indiana.

  

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95. "and nobody was really pursuing Penix like that"
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he had just come off back to back season-ending injuries

again, DeBoer can coach, and even with these defections he is bringing back a stacked roster -- he is about to lose 7 five-star recruits, but will have *11* STILL ON THE TEAM

but the expectation is to compete for national titles every season, and you cannot sustain that pace without the type of insane recruiting run Saban was on

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111. "some of this was going to happen regardless of who came in."
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the timing is poor and Bama can't really bring people in while losing these guys.

these kids came to play for the GOAT. Lannning would have possibly kept a better hold because of things because he's familiar with things and folks here know him, but he's not Saban. he also lost to our new guy twice in the same year. so he still would've faced a lot of skepticism.

Debo has no ties here. then he gets coordinators who aren't recycled from the Saban/SEC tree. so folks are going wild with the blame.

next year will be weird, but I'm not really bothered. no choice but to wait and see. we still have a ton of talent and I don't think Milroe will leave, but who knows. my thought is that he'd be better off staying and playing for the guy that helped Penix become a star vs going to start over somewhere else.

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110. "*daps*"
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100. "Downs to osu...holy shit"
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osu going scorched earth on the portal lol

  

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102. "best of both worlds"
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even the biggest Day hater has to admit that man can win a national recruiting battle against anybody

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105. "always been an elite recruiter but clearly their NIL game has changed "
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>even the biggest Day hater has to admit that man can win a
>national recruiting battle against anybody

like, drastically changed

there was going to be some level of shakeup after losing to mich. but i can't help but think that mich winning it all is what set this program over the edge.

had bama pulled out the rose bowl im not sure we're sitting here today in the same position.

  

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112. "Yeah I was gonna ask - is this alumni contributing to NIL that"
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has the warchest going crazy??? Or is your NIL program just the bomb in terms of connecting players with opportunities?

  

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113. "all signs point to the former"
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and im enjoying them conceding that their leadership and philosophy have failed.

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115. "RE: all signs point to the former"
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>and im enjoying them conceding that their leadership and
>philosophy have failed.

I’m not sure how trying to get better or adapting to the times *via legal means* is a concession of failure.

Nor can I imagine how any mich fan would derive any level of enjoyment when comparing osu and mich’s respective off-seasons.

  

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116. "I personally think it's good for the rivalry."
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>Nor can I imagine how any mich fan would derive any level of
>enjoyment when comparing osu and mich’s respective
>off-seasons.

Joel Klatt actually talked about this on his pod today - and I definitely agree. Look back over the history of college football and when one rival wins it makes the other up their game, whether it's the Florida schools, the SEC rivals, out west, whatever. OSU being progressive with NIL should also push us to not sit back and rest. We've been getting it done with less recruiting success but that isn't sustainable going forward.

And also trust me...after the chip we won, and the way it happened, we are in FULL ENJOYEMENT mode this offseason. The Rose Bowl win over Bama is JUST now starting to set in/ Let along the chip itself.

  

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124. "but i get crucified for saying it!"
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>We've been getting it done
>with less recruiting success but that isn't sustainable going
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117. "pay for play inducements are not legal means"
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to your other point, Michigan fans are spending their offseason as defending champions

why would I find that less enjoyable than being the also-ran on a spending spree trying to catch up?

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118. "lol I try to be the nice reasonable fan, then you come in"
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like “nah they gonna get this work!”

You right though. The idea of us two weeks after winning the chip caring about the transfer portal wins OSU is getting is worse than when they used to accuse us of celebrating Denard’s “September Heisman”.

  

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119. "its kinda pathetic to be honest"
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and if they turn out to be the program equivalent to Todd Marinovich after their dad spent all that money to give them a leg up, its gonna be party time

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122. "except y'all are literally in here caring about osu's transfer portal"
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> The idea of us two weeks after winning the
>chip caring about the transfer portal wins OSU is getting is

not like i asked for commentary from mich fans. nor did i even mention mich. check the initial posts/replies in this sub-thread which are about bama transfers only. of course, feel free to contribute to the convo if you want. but don't create some phony narrative about what's being discussed just so you can knock it down and call it pathetic, lol.

cgnoz made a nonsensical comment about osu's portal as a concession of failed leadership and philosophy. when if anything it's been a doubling down and reinvestment in the existing program. most of the NIL money has gone to bringing osu's draft eligible players back (sound familiar?). if there was any sort of concession of systemic failure the existing roster would've been told to kick rocks and the coaching staff including day would've been cleared out. hasn't happened.

yes osu is being more aggressive but this is also just dumb luck that the GOAT decided to hang it up. and it just so happened that osu was a close runner-up in caleb's recruitment out of high school. if caleb transferred to uga as expected nobody would've cared or made comparisons to todd marinovich(?) or talking about 'illegal inducements', lol.

  

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125. "I’m just kicking it…doesn’t mean I’m pressed about OSU’s roste..."
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We just beat an Alabama team that had more 4 and 5 star talent on it than any team in the country, while our recruiting rankings have been out of the top ten for years, so it’s not like I’m shaking in my boots because of OSU having a crazy talented roster. Y’all always have talent. Honestly expect us to have a couple down years coming up, because while our defense will still be really strong we’re losing a lot of the roster, and have a strong chance of losing both Harbaugh and Minter. And I’m okay with a couple down years…because after the last three years and the chip this year the smile on my face ain’t going away.

It’s interesting to me from the perspective of the changing college landscape with the portal and NIL to see what happens. For Michigan specifically, it’s always been difficult for underclassmen to transfer in because our admissions department is nitpicky with undergrad transfer credits. We had a Stanford transfer come in and have some credits not transfer because they didn’t line up exactly with the major requirements at Michigan, so it’s not even some bougie stuff about academics, it’s just an antiquated system. If schools are all reloading like crazy through the portal, we need to get that straightened out and modernized, or it won’t just be a couple down years but we’ll get left behind.

  

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128. "RE: I’m just kicking it…doesn’t mean I’m pressed about OSU’s r..."
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>it’s not like I’m shaking in my boots because of OSU
>having a crazy talented roster.

but again to be clear, nobody in here was asking y'all to shake in your boots. like i get that's what mich twitter trolls *want* so they can come back with the 'cope harder!' stuff and memes and whatever. but this aint it.

>Honestly expect us to have a couple down years coming up,
>because while our defense will still be really strong we’re
>losing a lot of the roster, and have a strong chance of losing
>both Harbaugh and Minter. And I’m okay with a couple down
>years…because after the last three years and the chip this
>year the smile on my face ain’t going away.

I appreciate the reasonable take.


>For Michigan specifically, it’s always been difficult for
>underclassmen to transfer in because our admissions department

again i was under the impression that mich has utilized the portal extensively in recent years


  

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131. "grad transfers were the vast majority"
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>again i was under the impression that mich has utilized the
>portal extensively in recent years

for undergrads, the more classes theyve taken the less likely they will be admitted, because most of those credits wont carry over

Ernest Hausmann and Jaishawn Barham are the only undergrads UM has admitted in the last 3 years

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132. "^^^^^^^"
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127. "its an offseason post. i could check to see if UM is still top dog?"
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just checked, they are

now wasnt that interesting??

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130. "that's great!"
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>just checked, they are
>
>now wasnt that interesting??

  

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123. "uhh, are you accusing osu of doing something illegal?"
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that would be pretty funny.

and didnt mich greatly benefit from the transfer portal these last few years? as well as use NIL money to convince many draft eligible players to return?

>Michigan fans are spending their
>offseason as defending champions

I don't really care how mich fans/cult members are spending their offseason. im more concerned about what the respective teams are doing.

>why would I find that less enjoyable than being the also-ran
>on a spending spree trying to catch up?

lol, there is absolutely nothing about the mich program right today that needs catching up to. they have no coach, lost the heart of their team to the NFL, they've gained zero recruiting/portal momentum after their greatest season in 30 years, they have 2 NCAA and 1 FBI investigation looming which are going to result in sanctions of a yet tbd severity, and the roster is not good enough now or in the foreseeable future to compete for championships.

  

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126. "no, im saying YOU dont know either way"
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so for you to emphasize that it was done legally is a hopeful take, not a fact

EDIT: and all the rest of that nonsense is hilarious coping that makes it seem like it would be better to NOT be the current reigning 3x defending Big 10 champ AND current defending national champion at the same time.

since you wouldnt really know, take it from me...its not.

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129. "well you missed the shade part as i was referring to mich "
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'adapting to the times' by launching a multiyear illegal cheating scheme

clearly you consider it more ethical and admirable to fund such a scheme than it is to legally compensate players. everyone spent years pounding the table for players to get paid and now here we are and suddenly people aren't digging it, lol.

as far as i know, there are basically no rules regarding NIL and therefore anyone signing players from the portal (including mich) are doing so legally.

>so for you to emphasize that it was done legally is a hopeful
>take, not a fact

ok so if i need to be hopeful about the legality then you're insinuating that penalties may come as a result from these portal acquisitions. honestly, first ive heard of this concern.


>EDIT: and all the rest of that nonsense is hilarious coping
>that makes it seem like it would be better to NOT be the
>current reigning 3x defending Big 10 champ AND current
>defending national champion at the same time.

uhh, it 'makes it seem like it' in your head because you're desperate for an idiotic back and forth. winning a championship doesn't have to precipitate what's currently going on at mich. winning a NC should catapult a program to a better position. anyways, i recommend twitter for the current vibe you're on lol.

>since you wouldnt really know, take it from me...its not.

yes, i have absolutely no idea what it feels like to watch my team win things. y'all are really bugging the fuck out lol.

  

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114. "I honestly have no idea how any of this shit works"
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Or who is responsible for what.

They advertise for these fan collectives but I don’t know anyone who actually donates to that shit.

  

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120. "nobody does, on either front"
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all we know is that if a coach drives a recruit to an otherwise permissible meeting on a visit, the NCAA will put their foot directly in your ass

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121. "Yep. That’s why there is still such a variance on what schools "
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are doing. Some are following the guidance to a letter with zero school involvement with the NIL collectives. Some are connecting current with the collectives, but offering zero promises to recruits/future players. Some are going all in with the collective and the school working hand in hand, and are literally making offers to recruits (both high school and at other schools).

Then you randomly see the NCAA enforcing a rule on FSU about a coach driving a student to a meeting and I know other schools had to be thinking “I didn’t know we couldn’t do that…”

  

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107. "Sayin to OSU"
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108. "perfect"
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Auburn would have made the mad-making go into the space program but prefer non-SEC teams

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83. "Bill O'Brien to be OSU OC"
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seems to be a lot of mixed opinions on this

at this point I'm just happy to have an adult in the press box. the previous offensive staff was a complete joke so there's really only room for improvement here.

  

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84. "didnt he bounce on PSU in spectacularly dickish fashion?"
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that has no bearing on this but its always been hilarious to me that he left them high and dry after 1 year

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85. "I don't recall. He was there for 2 years though."
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if he left too abruptly for the local fanbase then you could say he was ahead of his time since that's standard procedure today

  

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87. "They couldnt get anyone to take that job"
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No one should have been surprised he used it as a resume builder for an NFL job.

He does suck tho, so great hire.

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96. "Exactly. At the time it was a possibility PSU would get the "
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ULTIMATE death penalty, and he led them through that with major restrictions successfully. Folks weren’t blaming him for leaving for the NFL when he did.

As for this hire, I don’t know. Could be great - with the talent on that roster along with Ryan Day giving up playcalling duties he could be great. But not a good sign the way Bama kinda gave him a firm handshake regardless of the success that offense had while he was there (it’s hard to say because of Bama’s crazy expectations. Anything short of a chip annd they and looking for heads to roll.) But we all saw what happened with the Patriots this year.

That’s the thing - with both Saban and Belichick’s coaching trees it’s a weird type of Russian roulette hiring their coordinators whether they had success or not in the role. Partly because of talent on the roster (good or bad) and partly because it’s ambiguous how much control/credit/blame there is for the coordinators because both Saban and Belichick RAN those teams.

  

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97. "for some reason thats not how i remember it"
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>Folks weren’t blaming him
>for leaving for the NFL when he did.

i also remember him making some pretty lofty comments about his status w PSU towards the end too

maybe ive got a glitch here, but i remember a lot of bad feelings

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98. "I honestly don’t recall many people being upset. We knew the deal "
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and he more than exceeded any reasonable person’s expectations - given the dire situation he walked into. That still remains his zenith as a coach - imo.

I honestly haven’t followed him too much since he left PSU, but it definitely seems like his reputation has taken a hit and his stock is much lower. He’s probably best served as an OC, but could see him thriving as a HC in the right college environment.

  

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99. "There’s never a good way to leave a coaching gig. "
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But for BOB at the time the only real beef was with the Paterno loyalists at PSU. Here’s the post where we talked about it in OKS for reference…

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2283016&mesg_id=2283016&listing_type=search

  

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103. "ohhhhhhh yeah. now i remember."
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there were bad feelings, but they CAME from him lol

justifiably so too, since it seems he got the Rich Rod treatment from the friends of the program

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101. "RE: Exactly. At the time it was a possibility PSU would get the "
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> But not a good sign the
>way Bama kinda gave him a firm handshake regardless of the
>success that offense had while he was there

and then hired...Tommy Rees.

>and
>partly because it’s ambiguous how much control/credit/blame
>there is for the coordinators because both Saban and Belichick
>RAN those teams.

but with both being defensive guys my *guess* is that o’brien had more creative control and autonomy then he'll have at osu. he's not bringing the bill o'brien offense to osu. he'll be running the ryan day offense and will hopefully plug some holes (short yardage) to make it better . I think he's competent and experienced enough to get that done.

o'brien is replacing urban's unqualified 31 year old son-in-law (corey dennis). that's an upgrade no matter how you slice it. dennis is now sliding into a non-coaching role at osu. you'd think a young coach whose resume includes working with fields and stroud would have programs kicking down his door to scoop him up but clearly not.

  

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104. "i forgot i actually have some "personal" exp him"
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personal meaning he was a Ralph Friedgen disciple at Georgia Tech when i was in high school and my freshman year. Ralph was the guy calling plays for Joe Ham, and then George Godsey. When Ralph left to coach Maryland, he became the OC, and those 2 years were...alright. When O'Leary, Godsey, and those receivers were there, they fell off a bit but mostly hummed along. When they weren't, it crashed and burned after O'Leary left to embarrass himself at ND and Gailey replaced him. That only lasted one year and he was shown the door for Patrick Nix.

Hes a good playcaller, but idk about as a QB coach, Bryce Young notwithstanding. Will Howard is perfect for him for this year, but it might behoove OSU for Day to stay heavily involved with the QBs. BOB doesnt have a sparkling record of developing them.

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106. "RE: i forgot i actually have some &amp;quot;personal&amp;quot; exp him"
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>but it might behoove OSU for Day to stay heavily
>involved with the QBs.

I'm sure he will.

All of the proposed OC candidates had their share of warts. It had to be an experienced coach - bringing in another learn on the job type guy not going to happen as that's already been a disaster in the day era (coombs) and osu needs to win NOW.

They weren't going to get Sark or Lincoln Riley to come in and call plays. No one on the list of experienced candidates was gonna come in and crater an established successful offensive system with all that talent so just pick someone and let's get started on 2024.

  

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154. "Grand opening. Grand closing? "
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155. "maybe!"
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my guess is that it will get figured out this week

  

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109. "LSU OT Lance Heard to Tennessee"
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he was a five-star freshman out of Louisiana last season, so this is a big move for Heupel after taking a hit with Gerald Mincey going to Kentucky

also three of Tennessee's outgoing defenders who committed to Ole Miss wound up at Louisville of all places

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133. "Deboer was able to keep Ryan Williams."
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dude de-committed after Saban retired but Deboer got him back in the fold somehow.

this is a good win and hopefully helps brings or keep others.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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134. "not sure anyone saw Lincoln struggling to recruit CA"
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https://x.com/duckscrootin/status/1749573078705934495?s=20

Where the Top 10 @247Sports prospects out of California ended up:

3- Oregon (Breland, Johnson, Fields)
1- Alabama (Brown)
1- FSU (Itete)
1- Georgia (Frazier)
1- Notre Dame (Viliamu-Asa)
1- Ohio State (Sayin)
1- Oklahoma (Brooks)
1- Texas (Baker)

  

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136. "even Venables recruiting California better"
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135. "Harbs to LAC, UM apparently applied for waiver to hire Moore tmrw"
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per state law the job would have to be posted for 7 days. according to the detroit news, the university finally agreed to the bill self paragraph like 3 hours ago, after pondering it for a month.

i dont think it was predestined to go down this way, but oh well. this is the first time in my life a Michigan coach wasnt fired or didnt retire, and im glad there is continuity in place. Minter assumedly gone with him. Thats mildly concerning, but id like to think they were preparing for that after last year.

This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

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137. "Ryan Day on his knees thanking God / Chargers "
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...for saving his career.

Hopefully he doesnt embarass himself or my alma mater again this year with his idiocy / incompetency

Go undefeated, Win out the regular season schedule, and I'll be happy.

12 team playoff is a crapshoot and I'm not expecting anything out of him there, especially when hes failed miserably in a 4 team playoff







per state law the job would have to be posted for 7 days.
>according to the detroit news, the university finally agreed
>to the bill self paragraph like 3 hours ago, after pondering
>it for a month.
>
>i dont think it was predestined to go down this way, but oh
>well. this is the first time in my life a Michigan coach
>wasnt fired or didnt retire, and im glad there is continuity
>in place. Minter assumedly gone with him. Thats mildly
>concerning, but id like to think they were preparing for that
>after last year.
>
>This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

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138. "Yep, bottom line is the bottom line. "
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>This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

This was the best timing. He left after winning a chip. Who knows what the future will be - the CFB landscape is going through a huge change this year with the super conferences, 12 team playoff, NIL, transfer portal, Saban retiring, etc. Out schedule in 24 is insane. We don’t know who our QB will be.

We don’t know who Moore will have on the coaching staff…I’m sure Minter is going with Harbaugh. I would love to keep the Ravens style defensive scheme we’ve had the last few years, but with a first time head coach I feel like we need a DC who has had experience as a DC vs promoting that from within with someone like Clinkscale. Honestly I feel the same on the offensive side, though I could see Hart getting the promotion.

I expect a couple down years, but with this changing landscape I’m not sure what a “down year” is. The goal used to be going perfect through the regular season to get in the 4 team CFP with a chance at a chip. But now with the much tougher regular season in the B1G, and the fact that one or even two losses doesn’t put you out of the 12 team playoff, the goal will likely be to get through the regular season with no more than 1 loss or maybe 2 if you have other solid quality top 10 wins, but teams will be built for competition in the playoffs more similar to the CFB.

We’ll see. But if we’re going to compete we need our admissions office to get on board with modernizing our undergrad transfer requirements so we can be aggressive in the portal. And we need Moore to be recruiting based on the success of the last three years.

  

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141. "im not writing off next year"
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>This was the best timing. He left after winning a chip. Who
>knows what the future will be - the CFB landscape is going
>through a huge change this year with the super conferences, 12
>team playoff, NIL, transfer portal, Saban retiring, etc. Out
>schedule in 24 is insane. We don’t know who our QB will be.

im pretty sure its gonna be Jadyn Davis, and this is the best spot a freshman QB will ever step into. OL that we can trust is just reloading and not rebuilding, an absolutely LOADED backfield, the best safety valve in the country, YAC guys, and a very hostile defense with returning All Americans. its not unreasonable to think UM can be 5-0 when they hit the road to go to Washington. Oregon at home is a blessing, and OSU on the road is pressure-free house money. 10 wins is absolutely in play.

>We don’t know who Moore will have on the coaching
>staff…I’m sure Minter is going with Harbaugh. I would love
>to keep the Ravens style defensive scheme we’ve had the last
>few years, but with a first time head coach I feel like we
>need a DC who has had experience as a DC vs promoting that
>from within with someone like Clinkscale. Honestly I feel the
>same on the offensive side, though I could see Hart getting
>the promotion.

i dont think Mike Hart is first in line. Kirk Campbell is probably the guy there, and I would expect Hart to step into that job when Campbell moves on. Which is good. He can be run game coordinator for Campbell (and probably AHC), and then when Hart slides into OC they can hire a passing game coordinator.

Defensively, Im choosing to believe that they planned for this last year knowing Minter was a hot commodity, and have someone in mind. Chris Hewitt may be a name to watch.

>I expect a couple down years, but with this changing landscape
>I’m not sure what a “down year” is. The goal used to be
>going perfect through the regular season to get in the 4 team
>CFP with a chance at a chip. But now with the much tougher
>regular season in the B1G, and the fact that one or even two
>losses doesn’t put you out of the 12 team playoff, the goal
>will likely be to get through the regular season with no more
>than 1 loss or maybe 2 if you have other solid quality top 10
>wins, but teams will be built for competition in the playoffs
>more similar to the CFB.

a down year will be 8-4, or a Lloyd-ishly frustrating 9-3 that we will swear should have been undefeated, and i dont think the former is very likely. they are going to physically overwhelm 8-9 teams on the schedule every year, and winning 1-2 swing games has you living at 10-2 as a baseline. 2025 might be different since we dont know what we're going to see on the defensive front, but Elston deserves some faith.

>We’ll see. But if we’re going to compete we need our
>admissions office to get on board with modernizing our
>undergrad transfer requirements so we can be aggressive in the
>portal. And we need Moore to be recruiting based on the
>success of the last three years.

Ill be honest, as long as the Barners, Wallaces, and Nugents of the world still want to get shined up in AA then i dont really care what the Dante Moores of the world do. those kinds of hungry experienced but relatively unheralded players to patch holes are fine with me.

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144. "You're more optimistic than me, but I like to manage expectations."
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You're right about Campbell - he's likely next in line. I know JJ loved him. Some folks on MGoBlog are posting rumors that Hart is leaving also.

I don't follow recruiting enough these days to know about Davis and if he's the type of QB who could be ready as a freshman. I know he's dropped in the ratings but I think the ratings have been trash the last few years so I take that with a grain of salt.

  

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146. "Mike interviewed for IU's OC job last year"
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id hate to see him go because he's really come into his own as a RB recruiter, but maybe an internship somewhere else would be good. i actually think he's going to be UMs head coach at some point.

Jadyn Davis just never grew after he was the #2 ovr player after his sophomore year. if he was 6'3 instead of 6'0 he would still be a 5* bc his play developed like it was supposed to.

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147. "Good to know re: Davis"
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And agree re: Hart being a future Michigan head coach. Also I know Harbaugh was high on Grant Newsome as a future head coach, he could slide into the OL coach position this year.

  

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139. "would've preferred he stayed but whateva"
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he needed to dip before shit hit the fan like Carrol did

  

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140. "there are only *THREE* active head coaches with a national title ring."
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Kirby, Dabo and Mack Brown. that's it. one is at his dream job and most fanbases demanding titles would revolt if their school hired the other two next winter.

just a reminder for everyone who thinks their school should be doing a lot better at head coach. wait until the 12-team playoff normalizes and then we can more accurately judge what it takes.

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142. "im in the opposite camp "
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id be absolutely mortified if Michigan were to hire anyone currently coaching anywhere else in America.

Kirby wouldnt fit (not related to his proficiency at all just fyi), Lanning has cost his team games all on his own, and everyone else is just bleh.

Chris Klieman would probably be less upsetting than everyone else, but there would be obvious recruiting questions.

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143. "it took a while for this to hit"
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>wait until the 12-team
>playoff normalizes and then we can more accurately judge what
>it takes.

but now that it has, i already much preferred when what it took was the ability to go 12/13-0

the national championship used to tell you who the best team was, and thats not necessarily gonna be the case anymore. any coach that can be right at 9/10 wins a year is fine. lloyd carr was truly a man born ahead of his time.

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145. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>the national championship used to tell you who the best team
>was, and thats not necessarily gonna be the case anymore.

  

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148. "think of the 99 team"
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QB rotation cost them MSU, then a very weird defensive meltdown vs Illinois

after that Henson stopped rotating in and they rolled. they would have had a realistic chance to win a 12 team playoff, and they may have been "the best" in the way that UGA fans have been saying it about themselves, but FSU-VT was the rightful national championship game.

i kinda dont want to be in a club that would have "me" as a member in that scenario. college football was a lot more fun when a loss to illinois could ruin your whole season. that tension is gone until your THIRD loss!

i already hate it

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149. "Whole vibe of the regular season is changed. "
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Now it will be an advantage to have big games early in the season to test where you’re at and make changes from there. Because that risk is gone in terms of losing a game and being out.

The Game is also completely different (and other rivalry week games). There might even be some years where it makes sense to rest certain starters during rivalry week to get ready for the playoffs like the last week of the NFL. Not to mention - who care about conference championships at that point.

  

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150. "cant wait to play it already knowing its getting run back"
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should be a great atmosphere

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151. "Sherrone Moore is official"
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and to my knowledge not one player has decommitted or entered the portal since the Harbaugh news broke

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152. "NCAA trying to pin Tennessee down for paying Nico in 2022"
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uh...OK? every single P5 school should just lawyer up if the NCAA comes knocking about NIL penalties and keep it moving

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153. "CHEATING!"
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156. "Carson Beck buying a Lamborghini is a milestone of late capitalism "
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Carson Beck, unbuttered white bread of a QB that he is, is now wealthy based on the crowdfunding of people who want him to play for their favorite team, the responsibility of which has been outsourced to them for free by the people making billions off players' efforts and contributing nothing

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157. "Chip Kelly leaves UCLA to become Ohio St OC?!"
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Sounds about right

  

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158. "10 years ago this would have been very concerning"
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today...not so much. maybe reuniting with Ryan Day lights a fire under him, but that generic pro style shit he was doing at UCLA aint it.

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166. "he's not coming to osu to install the 2023 ucla offense"
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> but that generic pro style shit he was doing
>at UCLA aint it.

  

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168. "he will probably fix the running game"
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and by fix, i mean make it effective in short yardage

but im curious to see how this works, or doesnt. either way will be interesting.

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176. "ya i think he'll help diversify the run game for sure"
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and bring in elements to run the qb a little bit since that clearly has not been day's strong point

with henderson and judkins im not sure if you need to be running the qb 15 times per game but it needs to be a valid threat

  

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159. "The master has become the apprentice, Chip really wants out of UCLA"
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160. "This is WILD. I know the circumstances are unique..."
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But a power 5 head coach leaving to become an OC at another school in conference is WILD.

  

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161. "desperate to GTFO of Westwood"
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and not much fight to keep him, or even recover a buyout, apparently

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165. "it just happened with jeff hafley. it could be a sign of things to come."
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>But a power 5 head coach leaving to become an OC at another
>school in conference is WILD.

head coaches dont want to deal with the nonsense

the *rumor* was that chip no longer wanted head coaching responsibilities and just wanted to coach ball. im sure there's more to it than that as UCLA is kind of a weird place but it seems like a legit variable.

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In an interview before being hired by the Packers with CBS Sports Network college football analyst Adam Breneman, host of the Next Up With Adam podcast, Hafley from his Boston College offices said he missed being an actual coach on the field.

"Now that I’m the 'general manger' and you’re trying to manage 'the cap' and you don’t really know what the cap is and now you’re fundraising," Hafley said. "I mean I want to coach football. I want to coach more defense than I did last year and now it’s just prioritizing again. I got to coach again. I miss coaching DBs, but how am I going to do that and that’s what I need to figure out."

  

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167. "Going from college to NFL is different though. "
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But yeah I get how in this case it’s a story about having less CEO responsibilities and being able to focus on one thing. We’ll see how it goes.

  

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175. "i think the specific story is that the ceo responsibilities have changed"
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most notably with the NIL/portal and coaches dont want to deal with it.

i think chip and hafley are at two very different points in their career. I'm gonna 100% speculate here but my guess is that hafley wants to be nfl HC one day whereas chip doesn't.

hafley is actually a great recruiter and he'd be expected to deliver in that capacity if he landed as a DC at bama or a place like that. chip has earned the ability to go be an OC somewhere and tell everyone to fuck off if they ask him to recruit. this works at osu because you have day and hartline to recruit the offense.

so as long as the money is right (and it will be at the elite schools), I dont think it really matters to chip whether he's an OC at the college or nfl level. but maybe he'll prove me wrong on that if he bounces after 2 years to be an OC in the league.

  

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162. "didn't think Ohio State could get more hateable, lol."
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guess i was wrong.

  

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164. "we desperately need Sfmatt back in this forum for the 2024 season"
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the idea of chip having zero responsibility other than to sit in a room all week to game plan sure is appealing

you're swapping out urban's unqualified son-in-law (now in a prestigious analyst position at utah for urban's buddy wittingham) for chip kelly? you can't be serious.

  

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beat our ass in the Shoe..on the 100th anniversary

>the idea of chip having zero responsibility other than to sit
>in a room all week to game plan sure is appealing
>
>you're swapping out urban's unqualified son-in-law (now in a
>prestigious analyst position at utah for urban's buddy
>wittingham) for chip kelly? you can't be serious.

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183. "I'm way more optimistic about this hire than bill o brien "
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we NEEED a game plan where there are at least 10-15 designed QB runs, RPO/Zone read plays

sick and tired of this NFL/pro style that Day's dumbass has been using and holding back the offense with

also if Brian Hartline could teach the WRs how to block, that would be nice...guys like Evan Spencer, Dixon, Mike Thomas, were amazing blockers

>Sounds about right

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163. "Wink Martindale to UM as DC"
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i assume that rather than look for the next MacDonald or Minter they just went straight to the source and decided to build their own

they'll get a year or two out of him with Clinkscale serving the same apprenticeship that the last 2 served, and when Wink goes back to the NFL off the back of the best starting XI in cfb, Clink will be THE guy.

i love this. just gotta hire 2 position coaches and theyre set.

they're gonna come thru a coaching change without losing a single impact player or exciting prospect. Amorion Walker and Darrius Clemons were disappointing exits but that was as soon as the season was over.

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169. "I'm meh on this hire. I don't know much about Wink beyond "
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what I've learned this week. I've heard optimists talk about him as the architect or the Ravens defense we've been running, and pessimists talk about how old he is and the fact that he hasn't coached college in 20 years.

That being said, neither Minter or MacDonald before him were big college guys from a recruiting standpoint - they let the other assistants and Harbaugh himself run with that side while they focused on being DC. Also the coaching staff needed some experience on it with Moore as a fist time HC and Campbell as a first time OC. Losing Herbert to the Chargers sucks - he was really important for the culture of the program. Also hurts losing Elston. I'm thrilled that we are keeping Clink though. And yeah - the defense will be loaded from a talent standpoint if we keep holding on to our players (I know other schools have been going HARD after many of those guys with NIL offers.)

On the offensive side I hope we can keep Hart. I'm cautiously optimistic with Campbell as OC, and very happy with Newsome coaching the DL.

  

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171. "both of those things are true "
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but Minter and Mac had only Minters 2 years at Vandy between them both as far as college experience goes, and they will definitely look to fill the DL and LB spots with serious recruiters.

im pretty sure the major reason hes here is to give Clinkscale an AP Defense class before he gets the keys, and they have no illusions about him staying longer.

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173. "Aaaaaaaaaaand now Clink is gone too. "
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I wonder if he was waiting to see if he’d get the DC job, and once he didn’t he accepted Harbaugh’s offer. This one hurts.

  

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179. "he apparently told the players he was coming back"
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very odd sequence of events given that he had to have known 3 days ago that he wasnt going to be offered the job

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he’d be back based on what he’d told them.

It will be interesting to see how the defensive staff is built now. Wink has been out of college long enough that he doesn’t have direct connections. Sherrone is a new head coach so he doesn’t have connections himself. And we will NEED some experienced recruiters on that defensive staff. Clink was huge in recruiting. But that defense has lost their head coach, DC, DL coach, LB coach, DB coach, and their strength coach.






  

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184. "the stuff about him telling players he'd be back"
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this is secondhand info from mich message board 'insiders'?

  

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186. "no. solid media types reported players confirming that."
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174. "this seemed like such a petty 'FUCK YOU' kinda move by harb"
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> Losing Herbert to the Chargers sucks

the S&C position is useless in the nfl whereas in cfb it means the world

watching harb leave and then gut the staff after the university sold out to stand behind him at all costs has certainly been interesting.

  

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177. "Herbert was the most surprising. "
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I don’t out it all on Harbaugh though. Unprecedented situation with a school winning the CFP and the head coach leaving immediately to the NFL. Not unusual for a coach to bring staff from college to NFL, it just doesn’t normally Doesn’t happen right after a chip.

Herbert hurts since like you mentioned - that role is WAY more important I. College than the NFL. He also told the players he was staying. But supposedly Harbaugh sold him on doing something new with S&C in the NFL. Herbert was reportedly one of the biggest factors in setting the culture at Michigan, and Harbaugh wants to duplicate that.

In the positive side for me as someone who likes to manage expectations, this actually all helps me relax and just enjoy the chip we just won without turning the page to next year expecting to be at that level. Regardless of the returning talent we have on defense, this is absolutely a rebuild. Totally different landscape in college with the 12 team CFP and super conferences, and we will have a mostly new coaching staff. We haven’t lost any starters to the portal yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens now. (Supposedly players were in Wink’s interview process though so that could help with buy-in). Viewing this as a rebuild also helps us more quickly see what we really have with Sherrone. If he had all of Harbaugh’s staff and players and had success for a couple years it might be a mirage. This will be Sherrone’s program from the start now, with some tough years for him to build the program, and we’ll see what he is as a head coach more quickly IMO.

  

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181. "Im still not seeing the rebuild "
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the coaching staff is a complete rebuild, but the roster is more like a gentle reload. its kind of a unique situation tbh. the real rebuild is coming *next* year, and i expect an appropriate season befitting the 20th anniversary of the 2005 rebuild. (what naivete we were under back then. 7-5 was the end of the world 😂).

i will say i would probably feel differently if the OL were first or second year players, but weve seen a lot of those guys and they are all 4th years or better except for that massive mormon dude who was incidentally the highest rated prospect. i also made it a point to watch Jadyn Davis on tv, and if hes the best option after 2 camps of evaluation, thats fine. less than ideal, but 100% fine... befitting the 20th anniversary of Chad Henne actually.

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190. "I guess it depends on definition of rebuild/reload..."
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I look at it as in comparison to this past season, do I have similar expectations, or do I expect a big dropoff? With that I take into account the schedule, because I'm thinking about how many losses should I be prepared to see.

The QB situation is a huge question mark at the moment, and whether it's an unproven Orji or a true freshman Jadyn Davis, it's an unknown. Combine that with new head coach, new coordinators, a defense that is loaded but has a completely new coaching staff, new strength coach when Herbert was so important to the culture, and maybe most importantly - completely new leadership among the players on the team based on who is gone. We also have to see what happens in the spring portal and if we have any significant losses from players currently waiting out the coaching staff situation.

Considering all that when I look at the schedule? I don't expect this team to make it to the expanded CFP. And that feels like a rebuild, and I'm okay with that given the situation. Before we get to The Game next year we have Texas, USC, Washington, and Oregon. I'd be happy if we win 2 out of those 4 games. I'd not be surprised if we only won 1 of those 4, and disappointed if we lost all 4. If we manage to win 2 of them that means we go into The Game with a chance to make the CFP if we pull off an upset win.

  

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182. "very weird"
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im not buying the notion that his best options for an NFL staff were all coaching in college last year, much less all with one team, but whatever. coaches are coaches.

the support staff tho? what pro is gonna be transformed by a college S&C coach when his private coach trains Olympians? what pro needs a team nutritionist?

seems needlessly harmful to the NFL aspirations of kids he recruited, and whose parents trusted him to nurture those aspirations.

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185. "can't imagine any reason why the mich staff would want to bail"
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>im not buying the notion that his best options for an NFL
>staff were all coaching in college last year, much less all
>with one team, but whatever. coaches are coaches.

im not sure if this type of thing is common practice as i haven't researched it at all...the only one i know of is urban who assembled a college staff when he took over jacksonville (strength staff included) and he got clowned for it. And the results were what they were.

urban didn't touch anyone on the osu staff tho.

minter has the NFL background so that seemed legit but I don't know about the rest.

>the support staff tho? what pro is gonna be transformed by a
>college S&C coach when his private coach trains Olympians?
>what pro needs a team nutritionist?

trainers who work with pro athletes in the private sector aren't necessarily better than those at the college level or even at the HS level.

it's just a totally different gig and different responsibilities as college strength coaches are with the team 365 days of the year.

  

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187. "Harbaugh himself did it before. "
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When Harbaugh went to the 49ers he took Greg Roman (also on his Chargers staff now), Vic Fangio, and Tim Drevno. Not sure if he took others. Similar case with him essentially naming a successor at Stanford in David Shaw and now Moore.

I remembered Matt Rhule taking a bunch of his Baylor staff to the NFL with him. Did a quick Google search to see who, and he actually also took his S&C coach to the Panthers, so I guess there is some precedent. Still weird to me - in the NFL those guys all have their own trainers working with them in programming very specific to their individual needs, and aren’t all working on getting stronger/bigger/faster like the kids in college who are still developing their bodies and growing into what’s needed on the football field.

>im not sure if this type of thing is common practice as i
>haven't researched it at all...the only one i know of is urban
>who assembled a college staff when he took over jacksonville
>(strength staff included) and he got clowned for it. And the
>results were what they were. L
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>urban didn't touch anyone on the osu staff tho.

  

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188. "a lot of those Stanford assistants were career pros tho"
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these were the best jobs Elston and Clinkscale have ever had. people are saying Clink thought this was his best route to a coordinator job, and im not really sure what to make of that.

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170. "Walters’ recruiting his ass off, way above Brohm levels"
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Not sure it will work out in the end, cuz year 1 he, and graham Harrell in particular, were very underwhelming in game coaches.

But credit to the young buck, quality HS and transfers for our level, like better than I can remember, even peak Tiller really.

Open question on development too

  

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172. "i actually kinda feel bad about Jo'ziah Edmunds"
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Walters found his guy in his own backyard, then Michigan found him, then he finished as a top 125 guy

just brutal 😕 lol

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178. "I have no idea who that is. Not following closely to know names"
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Just look at number of stars in total, even more impressive that we were close to a bunch more.

Need the transfers to hit immediately, and Harrell to show something

  

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191. "DeShaun Foster is new UCLA HC"
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eff it, go with a famous alumnus at this point -- didn't help Oregon State but I'm not mad at the strategy

I didn't even realize he had been coaching but good for him

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192. "Michigan has its first bummer portal entry"
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but it seems to be related to good ol fashioned playing time, as Keon Sabb is looking to start one year and be off to the league

he played a lot as the first safety off the bench, but with Moore and Paige coming back he wasnt going to get the snaps he reportedly wants

i was hoping they could figure out a way to make him work at nickel, but they may not see it for him

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193. "Tennessee tells NCAA to fuck off, federal judge agrees"
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pay-for-play NIL is now openly on the table, your favorite college team says thank you

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