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"2023 NBA Championship Pregame Talk."
Tue May-30-23 10:09 AM by allStah

          

Cyren will sure enough bring the actual game post when it happens, but
it’s time to get the predictions and observations rolling now.

I’m looking forward to this matchup, because it is a clear cliche of
David v. Goliath. Denver is long from guard to center. They have
length and height all day long, so the Heat will be the smaller team.


Murray: 6’4, Vincent: 6’3
KCP : 6’5 , Struss: 6’5
Martin: 6’5, Porter: 6’10
Butler: 6’7, Gordon: 6’8
Bam: 6’9, Jokic: 7’0

Denver clearly has a height advantage. The Porter/ Martin matchup
will be very interesting. Will Martin be able to be offensive against
the length of Porter, who has improved his defense?

Gordon will definitely be assigned to Jimmy. How will Jimmy fair against
a physical, excellent defender in Gordon?

KCP and Struss are similarly players, height and ability, but I find KCP
to be the more consistent and impactful player.

Vincent v Murray is a forgone conclusion

And last but not least, Bam having to deal with the offensive nuclear ability
of Jokic, who can kill you inside and out, plus facilitate like a premier PG.
Bam is the more athletic player, and will be able to attack Jokic on the
offensive end…But will he have the energy to do so, since he has to guard
Jokic?

Also, you have to look at the one big intangible: Denver’s high altitude atmosphere.
How much of an effect will that have on the energy and conditioning of the Heat?

Denver has a lot of advantages, so I’ll go Denver here. But I’m sure the Heat will
give it everything they got, and compete like honey badgers on every level. I wouldn’t
be surprised if it goes 7 games.

Who you got?


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Denver in 5. the talent mismatch will finally catch up to Miami
May 30th 2023
1
size mismatch on top of that
May 30th 2023
7
5 (maybe a fluky 6)
May 30th 2023
10
Been on Denver since the start...
May 30th 2023
2
Heat in 7.
May 30th 2023
3
this has been one of the most unpredictable playoffs in recent memory
May 30th 2023
4
Indeed.
May 30th 2023
13
Jamal Murray is better than everybody you like
May 30th 2023
5
Didn’t you do this with Booker?
May 30th 2023
6
      Probably....as he is also better than everybody you like
May 30th 2023
24
Miami in 7
May 30th 2023
8
If anyone knows how Miami will get a single rebound
May 30th 2023
9
LOL
May 30th 2023
15
Does this Nuggets team remind you of any past title winners?
May 30th 2023
11
Tony and TD?
May 30th 2023
12
      Kidd and Dirk?
May 30th 2023
14
will the long layoff for the Nuggets be a factor?
May 30th 2023
16
NOPE. I think they will be the more energized team in the long
May 30th 2023
17
Is Herro supposed to be back?
May 30th 2023
19
      Game 3 return
May 30th 2023
20
i hope they forgot how to play basketball, literally.
May 30th 2023
18
      I feel like people are giving Denver the title…
May 30th 2023
21
           yeah. i mean, i'm a realist.
May 30th 2023
22
                Reminds me of the 2020 Finals...
May 31st 2023
29
                     Naw, injuries were the difference.
May 31st 2023
30
                          You play the hand you're dealt...
May 31st 2023
31
                          yep. so if Miami wins? better not see no/na'an/nada excuses.
May 31st 2023
32
                          Naw, you’re just a hatin ass method actor with no off switch
May 31st 2023
33
One of the best matchups is at head coach
May 30th 2023
23
The 3 is ultimately the equalizer.
May 31st 2023
25
RE: The 3 is ultimately the equalizer.
Jun 01st 2023
38
espn analytics: heat a ~4x better chance vs nuggets than vs celtics.
May 31st 2023
26
My 3 biggest interests in Game 1:
May 31st 2023
27
Nuggets in 6.
May 31st 2023
28
the bucks and celtics were the top 2 teams in the league.
May 31st 2023
34
I feel like Jokic is going to get his regardless Miami can’t let Murra...
May 31st 2023
35
I'm not counting out Spo and Jimmy
Jun 01st 2023
36
¿que pasa, denver?
Jun 01st 2023
37
One aspect I'll be interested in from Denver's perspective
Jun 01st 2023
39

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1. "Denver in 5. the talent mismatch will finally catch up to Miami"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "size mismatch on top of that"
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10. "5 (maybe a fluky 6)"
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2. "Been on Denver since the start..."
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staying with it. As much as I wanted to see JT break through...they weren't beating Denver, either. Denver in 5.

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3. "Heat in 7."
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4. "this has been one of the most unpredictable playoffs in recent memory"
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13. "Indeed."
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As much as it would hurt me personally to see the Heat win the championship (mainly because I'm still holding onto those old Knicks/Heat rivalries from the late 90's), I have to respect how far the Heat have come these playoffs. Them beating the Bucks alone has made me not look past them this playoff run; specifically the runs Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent have been on.

On paper, I don't can't see the Heat beating the Nuggets, but I've seen too much this post-season to want to count them out.

I mainly hope this Finals series will be competitive.

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5. "Jamal Murray is better than everybody you like"
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6. "Didn’t you do this with Booker?"
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That didn’t end very well.

But Murray is a bad boy

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24. "Probably....as he is also better than everybody you like"
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8. "Miami in 7"
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These dawgs gone hunt!!

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9. "If anyone knows how Miami will get a single rebound"
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Enlighten me.

  

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15. "LOL"
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11. "Does this Nuggets team remind you of any past title winners?"
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I'm drawing a blank

when is the last time we had a true PG and big man running the pick and roll / 2 man game all the way to an NBA title?

>Cyren will sure enough bring the actual game post when it
>happens, but
>it’s time to get the predictions and observations rolling
>now.
>
>I’m looking forward to this matchup, because it is a clear
>cliche of
>David v. Goliath. Denver is long from guard to center. They
>have
>length and height all day long, so the Heat will be the
>smaller team.
>
>
>Murray: 6’4, Vincent: 6’3
>KCP : 6’5 , Struss: 6’5
>Martin: 6’5, Porter: 6’10
>Butler: 6’7, Gordon: 6’8
>Bam: 6’9, Jokic: 7’0
>
>Denver clearly has a height advantage. The Porter/ Martin
>matchup
>will be very interesting. Will Martin be able to be offensive
>against
>the length of Porter, who has improved his defense?
>
>Gordon will definitely be assigned to Jimmy. How will Jimmy
>fair against
>a physical, excellent defender in Gordon?
>
>KCP and Struss are similarly players, height and ability, but
>I find KCP
>to be the more consistent and impactful player.
>
>Vincent v Murray is a forgone conclusion
>
>And last but not least, Bam having to deal with the offensive
>nuclear ability
>of Jokic, who can kill you inside and out, plus facilitate
>like a premier PG.
>Bam is the more athletic player, and will be able to attack
>Jokic on the
>offensive end…But will he have the energy to do so, since he
>has to guard
>Jokic?
>
>Also, you have to look at the one big intangible: Denver’s
>high altitude atmosphere.
>How much of an effect will that have on the energy and
>conditioning of the Heat?
>
>Denver has a lot of advantages, so I’ll go Denver here. But
>I’m sure the Heat will
>give it everything they got, and compete like honey badgers on
>every level. I wouldn’t
>be surprised if it goes 7 games.
>
>Who you got?
>
>
>

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12. "Tony and TD?"
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>when is the last time we had a true PG and big man running the pick and roll / 2 man game all the way to an NBA title?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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14. "Kidd and Dirk?"
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Malone and Stockton for sure..they got to the title game

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16. "will the long layoff for the Nuggets be a factor?"
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17. "NOPE. I think they will be the more energized team in the long"
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run. Plus living in Denver helps, same way living in Kenya and Ethiopia helps
Africans in running.

Denver Players are used to playing in it.

Now imagine you’re the Heat, and you just came off a long, physical series,
and now you got to go play in high altitude, that will make you even more tired.

That’s a shocking transition.

If the Heat pull that shit off??…might be the greatest PO run ever

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19. "Is Herro supposed to be back?"
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20. "Game 3 return"
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18. "i hope they forgot how to play basketball, literally."
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21. "I feel like people are giving Denver the title…"
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Jimmy might not go quietly

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22. "yeah. i mean, i'm a realist."
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is Denver likely to take it easily? sure.

has every team that Miami has played (maybe not the Knicks i guess) supposed to have beaten them easily? yes.

i just think the Heat match up better than people think they do except for Jokic. but hey, while unlikely, it's possible Bam goes on a heater and that's not such a one sided matchup either.

like, if Miami steals one on their court then Herro comes back for Game 3? i dunno...weirder shit has happened.

  

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29. "Reminds me of the 2020 Finals..."
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>i just think the Heat match up better than people think they
>do except for Jokic. but hey, while unlikely, it's possible
>Bam goes on a heater and that's not such a one sided matchup
>either.
>
>like, if Miami steals one on their court then Herro comes back
>for Game 3? i dunno...weirder shit has happened.

..Heard the same speculation ahead of the '20 Finals, with Miami being the young, scrappy, unconventional team. In the end, size and experience were the difference (even though Spo was the better coach). The same can be said here with the same results.

I don't see Miami winning more than a game (maybe 2).


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30. "Naw, injuries were the difference."
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Dragic tore his foot tendon, and Bam tore the soft tissue in his
Ligament. They both couldn’t compete due to those severe
injures.

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31. "You play the hand you're dealt..."
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..Injuries are par for the course at this point in the season. As it stands, Miami will still be nursing significant injuries.

Denver will be well-rested, as they've earned.

No excuses.


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32. "yep. so if Miami wins? better not see no/na'an/nada excuses."
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33. "Naw, you’re just a hatin ass method actor with no off switch"
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-Sig-

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23. "One of the best matchups is at head coach"
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Two of the best.

  

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25. "The 3 is ultimately the equalizer."
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I think, like most, that the Nuggets have some considerable advantages... but if the Heat are making 50% from 3 on volume, as they've done at times in these playoffs, I wouldn't take them lightly.

I do wish Bam was a *little* better at shooting the ball from distance, because defensively I think he can hang with Jokic, but the best way to neutralize Jokic is to make him defend on the perimeter on the other side of the floor. I kinda think Boston would've been a better matchup for that exact reason, because Horford can pick and pop away from the basket. I still expect them to use Bam to set a *lot* of screens, because if Jokic tries to help while the defender recovers, it'll put him in a disadvantageous defensive position and make him have to fight in space a lot more than he'd prefer.

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38. "RE: The 3 is ultimately the equalizer."
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>I think, like most, that the Nuggets have some considerable
>advantages... but if the Heat are making 50% from 3 on volume,
>as they've done at times in these playoffs, I wouldn't take
>them lightly.
>
>I do wish Bam was a *little* better at shooting the ball from
>distance, because defensively I think he can hang with Jokic,
>but the best way to neutralize Jokic is to make him defend on
>the perimeter on the other side of the floor. I kinda think
>Boston would've been a better matchup for that exact reason,
>because Horford can pick and pop away from the basket. I still
>expect them to use Bam to set a *lot* of screens, because if
>Jokic tries to help while the defender recovers, it'll put him
>in a disadvantageous defensive position and make him have to
>fight in space a lot more than he'd prefer.


Although the Lakers did get swept, Jokic struggled with his shooting when Darvin Ham made the adjustment to get Rui Hachimura to guard Jokic instead of AD as Rui had better lateral quickness to give Jokic issues getting to his spots before the ball got in his hands.

I wonder if Bam could give Jokic similar problems. Offensively, Bam is seemingly feast or famine, so I think he's going to have to challenge Jokic defensively, not offensively, especially since I'm guessing the Heat are going to try to use multiple screens to sniff out potential defensive mismatches to get 'the others' clean looks from either the three point line or slashing to the hole.

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26. "espn analytics: heat a ~4x better chance vs nuggets than vs celtics."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxad_GGaAAA_7GH?format=jpg&name=large

3% vs celtics.
11% vs nuggets.

  

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27. "My 3 biggest interests in Game 1:"
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1. The Denver altitude on such little rest
2. How often Miami can force Jokic to have to run through Bam
3. If they can dawg Murray and force Porter/Gordon to show and prove


...'Cause if the Heat can do 2 and 3 at the same time, I'm curious if those two can rise to the occasion. But if they can't make 2 happen, I'm not sure 3 even enters the conversation, at which point I think 1 is a real, real issue even through Game 3 back in Miami.


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28. "Nuggets in 6."
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Frankly should be a sweep but I'm imagining the advantage for Miami at HC and the Jimmy Butler of it all makes this series a bit more competitive than it should be on paper.

  

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34. "the bucks and celtics were the top 2 teams in the league."
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if the heat can beat them then they can beat the nuggets.

i think the nuggets are the favorites and most likely to win based off matchups on paper. but i also think people are overestimating the gap between the two teams once actual basketball gets played.

i want anyone but jokic to win and i believe God got my back on that.

heat in 7.

  

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35. "I feel like Jokic is going to get his regardless Miami can’t let Murra..."
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go off like he did against the Lakers

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36. "I'm not counting out Spo and Jimmy"
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But my mind keeps saying Nuggets should get this in 5.

  

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37. "¿que pasa, denver?"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxYBio0XwAAmJQ1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

  

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39. "One aspect I'll be interested in from Denver's perspective"
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is seeing if Mike Malone and the Nuggets coaching staff has devised methods to beat Miami's zone defensive schemes, especially since the team has had such a long break to come up with effective game plans against it.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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