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"NFL Draft 2023"


          

NFL Combine going on right now

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EDGE Byron Young (Tennessee) blowing up his testing
Mar 02nd 2023
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DT Calijah Kancey (Pitt) ran a 4.67 at 281 pounds
Mar 02nd 2023
2
DL Adetomiwa Adebawore (Northwestern) ran a 4.49 (!) at 280 pounds
Mar 02nd 2023
3
Bryce Young only 5’10, I wouldn’t draft him in the 1st
Mar 02nd 2023
4
corners made money today
Mar 03rd 2023
5
If Bills are smart they'll go after Robinson or Gibbs
Mar 06th 2023
6
Jalen Carter bombed his pro day
Mar 15th 2023
7
I’d still take him 1st overall
Mar 16th 2023
8
      Carolina should do that
Mar 16th 2023
9
           lol
Mar 16th 2023
10
           Carolina is probably taking a QB but who? Bryce is small, is CJ better.....
Mar 16th 2023
11
anonymous NFL coaches quotes on QB class
Apr 24th 2023
12
Bryce Young, Alabama
Apr 24th 2023
13
Well he was total wrong about Tua not being able
Apr 25th 2023
18
CJ Stroud, Ohio State
Apr 24th 2023
14
LOL. This shit is 😆
Apr 25th 2023
19
That AOC comment - 100% truth-laced fire!
Apr 25th 2023
21
All fair criticism
Apr 26th 2023
29
maybe it's me but I don't really get the logic
Apr 26th 2023
31
      Stroud is super accurate so it doesn't weigh as much to me
Apr 26th 2023
32
           it's a fun talking point but if it's influencing your draft selection
Apr 26th 2023
33
           Tua had Jeudy, Ruggs III, DeVonta Smith and Waddle to throw to
Apr 26th 2023
37
                Too bad they won’t be able to throw to NFL wr’s
Apr 27th 2023
38
           I believe Tua and Jones did as well while at Bama
Apr 26th 2023
36
Anthony Richardson, Florida
Apr 24th 2023
15
Will Levis, Kentucky
Apr 24th 2023
16
Huge movement in him going #1
Apr 25th 2023
22
Hendon Hooker, Tennessee
Apr 24th 2023
17
so Anthony Richardson's agent?
Apr 25th 2023
20
S2 test -- the new Wonderlic
Apr 25th 2023
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alleged leaked S2 scores for the quarterbacks:
Apr 25th 2023
24
re: Stroud's score
Apr 25th 2023
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Bryce Young has been taking the S2 test annually since 10th grade
Apr 25th 2023
26
      🤔, surprised lay press didn’t know about this test earlier
Apr 26th 2023
28
      Young went to Sylvan during Spring Camp each year to prep for S2
Apr 26th 2023
35
Statistics on the S2 Cognition site show that the test has a 28.7% predi...
Apr 26th 2023
34
Jordan Love is about eat
Apr 25th 2023
27
And if they draft Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame
Apr 26th 2023
30
“There’s no Andrew Luck in this draft!” - draft experts
Apr 27th 2023
39
You're wrong about two things at once.
Apr 27th 2023
40
wrong.. that nigga was overrated
Apr 27th 2023
41
      it will be interesting to hear what the talk is with Caleb
Apr 27th 2023
42
      the painted fingernails will go from cool to red flag
Apr 27th 2023
43
      Caleb will get picked apart like they all do
Apr 27th 2023
45
      you are absolutely buggin about Andrew Luck.
Apr 27th 2023
48
           No.. I’m acting like he was over hyped.
Apr 28th 2023
49
I think Will Levis is getting dumped on more than Young, Stroud or Richa...
Apr 27th 2023
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      he’s getting dumped on because he isn’t a top 5 talent
Apr 28th 2023
50
Is Hendon Hooker going in Round 1?
Apr 27th 2023
44
big night tonight
Apr 27th 2023
46
Steelers bodied this draft......
Apr 30th 2023
51
Where is 2024, punk
Jan 31st 2024
52
good year to get a receiver or offensive tackle
Jan 31st 2024
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will_5198
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1. "EDGE Byron Young (Tennessee) blowing up his testing"
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he ran a 4.48 at 6'2, 250

38" vert and 11' broad

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2. "DT Calijah Kancey (Pitt) ran a 4.67 at 281 pounds"
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testing like a budget Aaron Donald (Donald ran 4.68 at 285 pounds)

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3. "DL Adetomiwa Adebawore (Northwestern) ran a 4.49 (!) at 280 pounds"
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4. "Bryce Young only 5’10, I wouldn’t draft him in the 1st"
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5. "corners made money today"
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big names all showed up in the straight line tests

Christian Gonzalez (Oregon) probably was the most impressive athletically (4.38 at 6'1, 197 with 41" vert, 11'1 broad and 32" arm length)

Kelee Ringo (Georgia) ran faster (4.36) with 10 extra pounds than Gonzalez, but he had a lower numbers across the board (and I was surprised his arm length was barely 31" despite being 6'2)

Cam Smith also showed up well

Joey Porter Jr (Penn State) had a great time for his lankiness (4.46 with 34" arm length is elite)

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6. "If Bills are smart they'll go after Robinson or Gibbs"
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7. "Jalen Carter bombed his pro day"
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weighed in at 14 pounds over his listed playing weight and nine pounds heavier than he was at the combine

couldn't finish the lineman drills and did no agility or speed testing

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8. "I’d still take him 1st overall"
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9. "Carolina should do that"
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10. "lol"
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11. "Carolina is probably taking a QB but who? Bryce is small, is CJ better....."
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than Fields?

Do they roll the dice on Levis or Richardson? Can he be Cam 2.0?

Its seems like the QB drop off is pretty steep after those 4.

Does Hooker have pro potential?

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12. "anonymous NFL coaches quotes on QB class"
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(lots of smoke and mirrors at this point in the process, but I agree with several takes)

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13. "Bryce Young, Alabama"
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Mon Apr-24-23 11:16 PM by will_5198

          

“I think people are viewing Bryce as a perfect prospect otherwise, but he’s not perfect even without the size,” he said.

“His arm is not strong. It is below what most of the better quarterbacks in the NFL have. I think he will struggle to make some throws to the field outside the numbers. On seam routes, crossing routes, he’s going to be a little late.

"His footwork isn’t good because he’s got this Steph Curry style, that’s like, ‘I’m playing like I’m not even sweating.’ It’s awesome, but you’re gonna miss on some throws being a tick late on time throws. He was a little loose in college because I think he knew I can get away with this."

"He’s not 6-2, not thick, but you can’t deny his talent and his ability. I like him better than I liked Tua (Tagovailoa). He sees the field a lot better. Tua is really effective in the RPO game, but I didn’t feel like he read the field very well.

"I had a guy (quite a bit) bigger than Bryce and he got beat to shit and can barely finish the year. The team that takes him will say they’re gonna invest in the O-line. O.K., that’s awesome, but when he gets landed on — and he will — he’s going to break."

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18. "Well he was total wrong about Tua not being able"
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to read the field…way off.

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14. "CJ Stroud, Ohio State"
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“The only reservation that I would have that would keep me up is C.J.’s receiving corps (at Ohio State) that’s gonna be the best he ever has for the rest of his life. Garrett Wilson, (Chris) Olave, (Marvin) Harrison, Jaxon Smith-Njigba. You’re lucky to have one guy like that. Best case two. He had four or five like that! Yeah, his game tape is NFL concepts and big boy throws but well, shit, I would have conviction too ripping this ball if Marvin Harrison Jr. is out there. This could be the best version of him as well. I think if Aidan O’Connell from Purdue was at Ohio State, I think he would’ve thrown for 40 touchdowns, to be honest.”

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19. "LOL. This shit is 😆 "
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21. "That AOC comment - 100% truth-laced fire!"
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lol, I'm not actually an AOC fan really. But he would have 40+ TDs with those receivers.

  

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29. "All fair criticism"
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>“The only reservation that I would have that would keep me
>up is C.J.’s receiving corps (at Ohio State) that’s gonna
>be the best he ever has for the rest of his life. Garrett
>Wilson, (Chris) Olave, (Marvin) Harrison, Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
>You’re lucky to have one guy like that. Best case two. He
>had four or five like that! Yeah, his game tape is NFL
>concepts and big boy throws but well, shit, I would have
>conviction too ripping this ball if Marvin Harrison Jr. is out
>there. This could be the best version of him as well. I think
>if Aidan O’Connell from Purdue was at Ohio State, I think he
>would’ve thrown for 40 touchdowns, to be honest.”

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31. "maybe it's me but I don't really get the logic"
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so osu qb's are now going to be downgraded by default for however long Hartline is running the WR room?

and qb's who have been objectively bad at the college level or who didnt even play at the DI level will be upgraded? because this is somehow a higher percentage pick than someone who balled out with great wr's against the best competition?

either a guy can play or he can't. if you're a NFL GM or pro scout then earn your salary and figure it out instead of admitting defeat and throwing darts at the wall.

  

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32. "Stroud is super accurate so it doesn't weigh as much to me"
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but it is an interesting point to bring up

how many quarterbacks, NFL or college, have played with four first-round receivers at the same time? that is wild

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33. "it's a fun talking point but if it's influencing your draft selection"
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then that's a different story

Tua and Mac Jones had some insane wr rooms...I honestly don't remember if that was used against them.

  

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37. "Tua had Jeudy, Ruggs III, DeVonta Smith and Waddle to throw to"
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38. "Too bad they won’t be able to throw to NFL wr’s"
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In the NFL

  

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36. "I believe Tua and Jones did as well while at Bama"
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That is one of the reasons I didn’t think Tua or Jones would be very good in the NFL.

  

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15. "Anthony Richardson, Florida"
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“Anthony has shown so much raw ability, and the Florida offense is fairly complicated. When you involve that many shifts and motions, you still have to operate it. There’s some full-field progression reads. He’s reading three-level floods. It wasn’t just read the corner here or not every single play was an RPO or they cut the field in half. He clearly wants to be a passer. It’s just that he happens to run a 4.43 too."

"I went and watched the FSU game, what was he 39 percent (33 percent) in that one. But you watch that film. Yes, there are some things you don’t like, but not one receiver made one play on any ball thrown. He threw a post on the money. Guy can’t make the play. He throws a 9-ball on the money. Guy can’t make the play. I know what the numbers say, but the numbers don’t always tell the truth.”

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16. "Will Levis, Kentucky"
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“He scares me. Reminded me a little of (Mitch) Trubisky. All of the social media stuff he puts out. I also really worry about upper body flexibility. Is he Tim Tebow? The shoulder, elbow flexibility really concerns me. I think he’s really built to be a one-speed pitcher. He wants to juice everything. Hey dude, play with some feel and some touch.”

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22. "Huge movement in him going #1"
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Cant be true

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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17. "Hendon Hooker, Tennessee"
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“The good thing about him — and it sucks to say — but when he got hurt, it could be the best thing that happened for his career. It means he will redshirt and sit back and walk through it this year, and if (a team) has a good plan in place for him, it could be a pretty special thing,. There’s gonna be an adjustment period for him. That offense is cut right down the middle, but that half of the field he does see it well.”

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20. "so Anthony Richardson's agent?"
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23. "S2 test -- the new Wonderlic"
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never heard of this shit before The Athletic started pushing it in all their articles, but supposedly it can test cognitive reaction speeds

results are proprietary and sold to athletes and teams in several sports, but of course the founders (two neuroscientists) will release scores if it supports their test (ie Brock Purdy had a great score)

from The Athletic:

The exam lasts 40 to 45 minutes. It’s performed on a specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds. To put that in perspective, an eye blink lasts 100 to 150 milliseconds.

In one section of the exam, a series of diamonds flash on the screen for 16 milliseconds each. Every diamond is missing a point, and the test taker must determine — using left, right, up or down keys — which part is missing.

In another, the test seeks to find out how many objects an athlete can keep track of at the same time. In another, there are 22 figures on the screen and the athlete must locate a specific one as quickly as possible. The object might be a red triangle embedded in other shapes that are also red.

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24. "alleged leaked S2 scores for the quarterbacks:"
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(percentile)

Bryce Young -- 98
Will Levis -- 96
Anthony Richardson -- 79
Hendon Hooker -- 46
C.J. Stroud -- 18

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25. "re: Stroud's score "
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“To me, that’s what flipped Young ahead of Stroud. When I saw that S2, it was brutal,” said an anonymous NFL coach. “That’s scary. Now listen, if we were in that position, I’d get him to re-take that test. Sometimes that happens. Guy gets a false read on a test, but I do believe in S2 and … well, if I believe in it and you’ve got plenty of evidence from looking at the scores and the players that you’ve coached, you can’t discount it or deny it.”

"A second NFL QB coach, a younger one whose team also isn’t likely to take a QB high this year, acknowledged that he’s “been staring at that (Stroud S2 score) for a while. But I wouldn’t say there’s a direct correlation because if there was everybody would be picking off that.”

QB coach 3: “I know when I watch him, that (low S2 score) doesn’t make sense. I was shocked when I heard he bombed it. Did he not try? He didn’t throw many picks. He didn’t have a lot of really bad split-second decisions. I just didn’t see it. He’s great going through his progressions.”

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26. "Bryce Young has been taking the S2 test annually since 10th grade"
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28. "🤔, surprised lay press didn’t know about this test earlier "
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35. "Young went to Sylvan during Spring Camp each year to prep for S2"
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<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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34. "Statistics on the S2 Cognition site show that the test has a 28.7% predi..."
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Statistics on the S2 Cognition site show that the test has a 28.7% predictability rate for a quarterback’s career passer rating, while the Wonderlic was around .01% Of course, much of that ability to process in real time is seen on the field, but if the numbers correlate with a scout’s thinking, it can only reinforce their evaluation.

https://dknation.draftkings.com/2023/4/21/23692636/s2-cognitive-test-explained-what-it-means-2023-nfl-draft


White people love them some confirmation bias.

If neither the wonderlich or S2 have a significant correlation to performance then they should be tossed. Better than awful isnt good.

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27. "Jordan Love is about eat "
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Got two ill receivers , 2 prime RBs

I’m a bears fan and shaking my head at other bears fans..thinking the packers
are about to suck

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Sofian_Hadi
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30. "And if they draft Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame"
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Packers are def not falling off this year, at all.

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legsdiamond
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39. "“There’s no Andrew Luck in this draft!” - draft experts"
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No can’t miss player..

Andrew Luck was overrated AF.

I swear these experts HATE when the top QB’s aren’t white.

Trying to think if there has ever been a Black QB that experts truly loved that got the “can’t miss” label.

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Sofian_Hadi
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40. "You're wrong about two things at once. "
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1.) Andrew Luck was not overrated. He was worth the hype and lived up to it despite the Colts allowing him to get obliterated.

2.) They are literally saying Caleb Williams is the "Andrew Luck" of next years draft. Caleb Williams is black.

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legsdiamond
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41. "wrong.. that nigga was overrated"
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he wasn’t the second coming and failed to live up to the hype. They called him a generational QB. The next Manning or Montana. FOH.

and last year they said the 2022 draft didn’t have a “s”can’t miss Andrew Luck” like in next years draft.

They will tear Caleb’s game up before the draft just like Young and Stroud and try to hype up some random white QB



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3xKrazy
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42. "it will be interesting to hear what the talk is with Caleb"
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Thu Apr-27-23 10:23 AM by 3xKrazy

          

>They will tear Caleb’s game up before the draft just like
>Young and Stroud and try to hype up some random white QB

I think he's legit but he's also playing with great WR's against mickey mouse competition. at least this year they play oregon and washington.

he should prob just sit it out this year along with marv.

  

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43. "the painted fingernails will go from cool to red flag "
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by the time the draft experts and unnamed NFL sources are finished with him

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45. "Caleb will get picked apart like they all do"
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they are going to knock his height and competition, probably find all sorts of things as well

just the nature of the process -- next year's prospects always seem better on paper until they get hyper analyzed (remember Tank for Tua?)

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48. "you are absolutely buggin about Andrew Luck."
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He QUIT after throwing 4600 yards and 39 TDs.

he's 53 and 33 career w/ an over 2 to 1 TD/INT ratio (same ratio as Peyton).

did he live up to the hype - it's fair to say no ONLY cuz he quit early.

but you're acting like he was a bum. he was 100% on the Peyton Manning trajectory.

i don't even like Luck, so you making me take up for him stings.

  

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49. "No.. I’m acting like he was over hyped."
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he wasn’t a bum.

but he also wasn’t the generational talent everyone said he was going to be

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47. "I think Will Levis is getting dumped on more than Young, Stroud or Richa..."
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Richardson had the lowest completion percentage in the SEC and they are promising Josh Allen returns on him already

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50. "he’s getting dumped on because he isn’t a top 5 talent"
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and I was SHOCKED Richardson went at 4 but at least he has tape of amazing throws and runs that give that kinda makes him worthy of a team taking that gamble he will boom.

Levis looks like a Penn State QB in a Kentucky uniform.. lol. Dude was mehhh

but ESPN put Levis on a pedestal.

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44. "Is Hendon Hooker going in Round 1?"
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46. "big night tonight"
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four or five franchises are going to head in completely different directions, for better or worse, once these QBs are off the board

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51. "Steelers bodied this draft......"
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Eagles, Colts, and Packers had good drafts as well. The teams that usually do.

  

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52. "Where is 2024, punk"
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53. "good year to get a receiver or offensive tackle"
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looks a bit weak otherwise

but I don't watch many guys anymore

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