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spenzalii
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"Motorsport 2023 - We love the smell of Nitro in the morning...."


  

          

Well, the new F1 season is upon us. Winter break is done. Short testing is done. Realistically, nobody knows who's doing what until Q3 on Saturday when it actually means something. RB still look to be the king of the hill, but hopefully it won't be as anticlimactic as last season. Then again, if the Silver Arrows were in that position, I wouldn't have cared. I just want Hamilton to get to 8, but it may be difficult again this year. Not as bad as last year, but still.... March 5 can;t get here soon enough.

Welcome all the race n00bs and old timers. All are welcome, no question or comment is too stupid. NASCAR, GP, NHRA, Touring, all are welcome.

Green, green, green, go, go GO!!!!!!

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I think 7 is the maximum in road and oval racing.
Mar 01st 2023
1
Blasphemy! Also, the FIA isn't the Universe lol ;)
Mar 01st 2023
3
i just want anyone but Lewis to win.
Mar 01st 2023
2
RE: i just want anyone but Lewis to win.
Mar 01st 2023
4
Eh...I like Ric, but he showed nothing, and worse.
Mar 01st 2023
5
I want Lewis to get to 8 to end the discussion
Mar 02nd 2023
8
Why didn’t Alpine have Oscar locked up?
Mar 01st 2023
6
Somebody didn't check the paperwork, I suppose
Mar 02nd 2023
7
      i like Gasly. i think he has something.
Mar 02nd 2023
9
           Gasly had a hell of a race in light of where it began.
Mar 06th 2023
14
I don't know enough about the sport to prognosticate
Mar 02nd 2023
10
Lol...so does Aston Martin have the better Mercedes than Mercedes?
Mar 04th 2023
11
Played out just like this today
Mar 05th 2023
12
Yeah, that midfield is a jumble.
Mar 06th 2023
13
I don't trust Stroll enough to pull his weight to get to 3rd in the cons...
Mar 07th 2023
15
Bring back Malaysia.
Mar 19th 2023
16
The safety car probably renders the question a bit moot
Mar 20th 2023
17
      Yeah...water reaches its own level.
Mar 21st 2023
18
Good MotoGP opener.
Mar 26th 2023
19
RE: Good MotoGP opener.
Mar 27th 2023
20
Back in Melbourne after 2 years. Let's see what happens
Mar 31st 2023
21
You mean Perez? I guess he let himself down.
Apr 01st 2023
22
What a race.
Apr 02nd 2023
23
It is technically a street track, that is used by the public, in that pa...
Apr 02nd 2023
24
      Max gonna Max. Lewis is still under his skin, I suppose
Apr 03rd 2023
25
      I really wanted to see Max vs Lewis for 2 laps sans DRS
Apr 03rd 2023
27
      Gambling on F1?
Apr 03rd 2023
28
           Once the grid is set I use a draft generator to give everyone drivers
Apr 03rd 2023
29
      I thought it was hilarious for Max
Apr 03rd 2023
30
           RE: I thought it was hilarious for Max
Apr 03rd 2023
31
                Well, Max wasn't close, but it was close-ish
Apr 03rd 2023
34
                     RE: Well, Max wasn't close, but it was close-ish
Apr 03rd 2023
35
                          Nah, I think K-Mags was probably warranted
Apr 03rd 2023
36
      Yeah...Albert Park is actually just a city park.
Apr 03rd 2023
26
           Thank you both for answering that
Apr 03rd 2023
32
                Well, they just remodeled it last year.
Apr 03rd 2023
33
Moto GP race weekend at COTA
Apr 16th 2023
37
Missed it live, watched the extended highlights.
Apr 17th 2023
38
      RE: Missed it live, watched the extended highlights.
Apr 17th 2023
39
F1 is back in Baku. First Sprint Race weekend.
Apr 28th 2023
40
Seems like it's been months.
Apr 28th 2023
41
In 2023, seeing a car come down pit lane...
Apr 30th 2023
42
Bikes were good though.
Apr 30th 2023
43
RE: Bikes were good though.
Apr 30th 2023
44
      Not unless Checo has really made some great step up.
May 01st 2023
45
           RE: Not unless Checo has really made some great step up.
May 01st 2023
46
                I hate the camera cut away.
May 01st 2023
49
                     RE: I hate the camera cut away.
May 01st 2023
51
Am I correct
May 01st 2023
47
      It would be poor for any year in the last 7 or 8.
May 01st 2023
48
           From what I remember
May 01st 2023
50
                RE: From what I remember
May 01st 2023
52
                Don't think Hamilton is falling off. The car hasn't been good the last 2...
May 02nd 2023
53
                there's no evidence Hamilton is underperforming the car
May 05th 2023
55
Upping for Miami
May 05th 2023
54
Then came practice 2.
May 06th 2023
56
Some pretty good action in this one.
May 08th 2023
57
Is Sergio allowed to get pissed or does he just have to eat this?
May 08th 2023
58
Think he has to eat it, sadly
May 08th 2023
59
I missed the post-race coverage
May 08th 2023
60
      Max was all smiles
May 08th 2023
61
listening to a couple F1 podcasts this morning...
May 08th 2023
62
      HE DID?? orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
May 08th 2023
63
           i mean, he said he did.
May 08th 2023
64
           Man, Checo wasn't fast enough on the mediums.
May 08th 2023
65
                It should have worked and just didnt right?
May 08th 2023
66
                it''s like that, also, you probably know but it's not always so obvious
May 08th 2023
72
                For one, F1 tires have very specific windows where they work best.
May 08th 2023
73
                     The 5 seconds Max gained at the end
May 09th 2023
74
                          Tires, man. Tires are everything.
May 09th 2023
75
                               Could he have gone to hards after lap 10 or would that have been too ris...
May 09th 2023
76
                                    Too risky to swap to hards that early
May 09th 2023
77
                                         Probably gonna be super wet next weekend
May 09th 2023
78
                                              Not much, if it stays wet throughout.
May 09th 2023
79
                literally all this was mentioned on the podcasts, Ceej.
May 08th 2023
67
                     All Makes sense
May 08th 2023
68
                          Any other conspiracies you wanna get off while we're here?
May 08th 2023
69
                               Good lord I was just asking a question
May 08th 2023
70
                                    lol. okay.
May 08th 2023
71
Damn, they're cancelling Imola
May 17th 2023
80
I just read a report about the flooding on BBC News
May 17th 2023
81
      RE: I just read a report about the flooding on BBC News
May 18th 2023
82
           Thanks for the thorough breakdown
May 18th 2023
83
Rain made it interesting.
May 28th 2023
84
RE: Rain made it interesting.
May 29th 2023
85
      The pain of the Tifosi continues
May 29th 2023
86
      The decline of Ferrari leadership...
May 29th 2023
87
Whoo, I was hoping for rain.
Jun 04th 2023
88
I'm curious
Jun 04th 2023
89
      Yeah, I don't know what they can do, honestly.
Jun 04th 2023
90
      AM never seriously had a chance for 2nd in the constructors
Jun 05th 2023
91
           He literally just out-qualified and out-finished Alonso.
Jun 06th 2023
92
                Again, I don't hate the guy. I really don't
Jun 06th 2023
93
                     Here's the thing: there is no Aston Martin racing without Lance.
Jun 09th 2023
94
                          All of that is true, and none of it has anything to do with my point
Jun 13th 2023
98
Kinda uncomfortable watching Marquez right now.
Jun 11th 2023
95
I do kinda prefer it when he goes down on his own
Jun 12th 2023
96
      Yeah.
Jun 12th 2023
97
      Certainly went down quite a bit this weekend.
Jun 20th 2023
99
           5 crashes was crazy
Jun 20th 2023
101
Some interesting stuff in Canada.
Jun 20th 2023
100
RE: Some interesting stuff in Canada.
Jun 20th 2023
102
wellllll
Jun 20th 2023
103
Jimmie Johnson's in-laws...man...
Jun 27th 2023
104
terrible story. however...
Jul 03rd 2023
106
      The early reports, when I posted, indicated it was the dad.
Jul 04th 2023
107
White lines was the name of the game
Jul 03rd 2023
105
I love the Ring, but that was tedious.
Jul 04th 2023
108
They need to figure that stuff out or something
Jul 04th 2023
109
Should Mercedes have given Hamilton Hards instead
Jul 09th 2023
110
Mercedes pit stops do seem relatively slow and safe lately
Jul 09th 2023
111
      Checo...man...
Jul 10th 2023
112
Danny Ric is back!
Jul 11th 2023
113
Ah...eh...I don't know...
Jul 11th 2023
114
      At least we'll know sooner than later
Jul 11th 2023
115
de Vries is out. Danny Ricc is back. And all before the midseason break
Jul 12th 2023
116
Checo really trying to lose his seat
Jul 21st 2023
117
fam the Danny Ric/Checo memes on twitter today have been awesome.
Jul 21st 2023
118
This was the most savage thing I saw this morning
Jul 22nd 2023
120
      wow, that's great, lol.
Jul 22nd 2023
122
He drove masterfully on Sunday IMO.
Jul 24th 2023
126
Unfortunately for the rest of the field
Jul 31st 2023
129
Should be a stellar day of racing tomorrow!
Jul 22nd 2023
119
Yeah...depends on how you feel about the track.
Jul 22nd 2023
121
RE: Yeah...depends on how you feel about the track.
Jul 23rd 2023
123
      Ha...yeah. Over by the first corner.
Jul 23rd 2023
125
           I took a nap after that first corner. Knew it was a wrap
Jul 24th 2023
127
Grand opening, grand closing for Lewis today.
Jul 23rd 2023
124
Pretty interesting weekend.
Jul 31st 2023
128
It's Halftime... (c) Nas What do we know - Pt. 1
Jul 31st 2023
130
Red Bull DGAF about Perez, my goodness....
Aug 27th 2023
131
Well, sort of.
Aug 27th 2023
132
He did pretty good
Aug 29th 2023
136
      Leclerc decided to pit on his own
Aug 29th 2023
137
           ferrari now looks worse
Sep 03rd 2023
139
but like, who really cares.
Aug 28th 2023
133
Kurt Busch announces retirement from NASCAR Cup competition (Yahoo!)
Aug 28th 2023
134
Yeah, they've been working on solving that since last season.
Aug 29th 2023
135
So this is officially the most dominant driver/constructor streak,,,
Sep 03rd 2023
138
RE: So this is officially the most dominant driver/constructor streak,,,
Sep 06th 2023
140
The streak is over
Sep 18th 2023
141
I'm far from a Red Bull fan
Sep 18th 2023
142
if it hadn't been for the pit stops fuckin up
Sep 19th 2023
146
Running the table is pretty hard, just by the law of averages
Sep 18th 2023
143
Yeah, can't figure that out.
Sep 18th 2023
144
      Definitely self preservation for Carlos
Sep 18th 2023
145
      their car was bad there, they went the wrong way with the setup
Sep 19th 2023
147
Formula 1/Moto GP double header
Sep 25th 2023
148
Checo must just want out ASAP, at this point.
Sep 25th 2023
149
      RE: Checo must just want out ASAP, at this point.
Sep 25th 2023
150
      keeping hamilton behind russell would've been silly
Sep 26th 2023
152
      Checo & RB fun / Petronas punchup
Sep 25th 2023
151
What a colossal mistake by Hamilton.
Oct 08th 2023
153
Sir Lewis Hamilton is allowed to run into anyone he wants to run into
Oct 08th 2023
154
That was kinda weird.
Oct 08th 2023
155
Yeah, that was suboptimal from Lewis
Oct 09th 2023
156
That Martin crash hurt my soul.
Oct 16th 2023
157
RE: That Martin crash hurt my soul.
Oct 16th 2023
158
      RE: That Martin crash hurt my soul.
Oct 19th 2023
159
They DQ'd our boy!
Oct 23rd 2023
160
It was all good until it wasn't
Oct 24th 2023
161
Australia was great action.
Oct 24th 2023
162
Man...Checo.
Oct 29th 2023
163
RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 30th 2023
164
RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 30th 2023
166
      RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 30th 2023
169
           RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 30th 2023
170
                RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 31st 2023
171
                     Yeah, of course he takes the drive.
Oct 31st 2023
172
                          Now there's freaking Alonso rumours lol
Nov 01st 2023
173
                          The two of you are correct
Nov 02nd 2023
174
RE: Man...Checo.
Oct 30th 2023
165
      I imagine he was rushed to the airport right quick after the race.
Oct 30th 2023
167
           RE: I imagine he was rushed to the airport right quick after the race.
Oct 30th 2023
168
RB Driver Prediction 2024 - Perez sacked mid-season
Nov 05th 2023
175
Bit of a dull one for Interlagos.
Nov 06th 2023
176
Moto GP was in Sepang this weekend.
Nov 13th 2023
177
I wish F1 would go back to Malaysia.
Nov 13th 2023
178
I was not expecting this Vegas schedule.
Nov 17th 2023
179
Yeah, same here. Pisses me off.
Nov 17th 2023
180
I was SHOCKED to find out when it was running
Nov 18th 2023
181
      When I thought about it a bit more
Nov 19th 2023
183
Well, as a track, that was...whatever.
Nov 19th 2023
182
The race didn't seem terrible, but maybe that's the commentary in my hea...
Nov 19th 2023
184
It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay.
Nov 20th 2023
186
      RE: It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay.
Nov 20th 2023
188
           RE: It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay.
Nov 26th 2023
190
F1 in a nutshell
Nov 20th 2023
185
      Nope.
Nov 20th 2023
187
Long seasons.
Nov 26th 2023
189
RE: Long seasons.
Nov 27th 2023
191
how tf did mercedes pull off second in the constructors
Nov 27th 2023
192
      Formation laps are tough
Nov 27th 2023
193

Buck
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1. "I think 7 is the maximum in road and oval racing."
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Think it's some kind of mystical limit. NASCAR has Petty, Earnhardt, and Johnson all at 7, and Indy has AJ Foyt at 7. Dixon could get a 7th, but that would probably be it. And Schumi got stuck at 7. So I think that's it.

Now, WRC and NHRA don't appear to have a cap like that, since Loeb got 9, and John Force has 16. But off-road and drag are very different forms of racing.

So I think Lewis has gotten all the universe will allow him to get.

  

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3. "Blasphemy! Also, the FIA isn't the Universe lol ;)"
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Still bitter...

I still want him to get 8, and Rossi has 9 too technically I think, so now you've made me want him to join Rossi and Loeb.

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2. "i just want anyone but Lewis to win."
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and it's not cuz i hate Lewis, it's cuz it's boring if he wins (unless you're a big fan or want Mercedes to win). boring cuz he's won so much, i get that he'd have the record which i GUESS isn't boring

and, if Max wins again, i'mma start hoping anyone else wins next time.

but, hopefully it's not such a runaway year again. can't believe Max won 15 races, lol.

very suprised Danny Ric didn't get picked up, unless no one wanted to pay his price - but then i'm like what price did he take to be a reserve driver. cuz, even tho he had a BAD year by his standards, in a sport where there's only 20 starting jobs, he barely finished outside of the Top 10...so he's still an upgrade over at least 6 drivers near the bottom of the field and those bottom of the field teams are typically desperate to pick up points.

  

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4. "RE: i just want anyone but Lewis to win."
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I mean, I'm a fan so I want him to win, but I get it when they were repeating every year. But after what happened in 2021, and to come into the new regulations just falling off, I think another win now shouldn't be boring as an idea. I admit I do enjoy the idea of them reestablishing themselves, I like when a dynasty proves who they were after a slip, I enjoyed the Lyon women's soccer team schooling Barcelona in the CL final last year after everyone thought they'd been replaced as the best team in Europe.

Also, there's no way Mercs would run away with it if they did, so if them winning it actually meant we got a RB/Merc and Lewis/Max fighting at the front again, it would we worth it and not boring either way. Especially if Ferrari still keep throwing away their chances.

I am already of the I don't want Max to win category, I'd take any other driver if not Lewis.

The Danny Ric situation is all a bit odd, with the way Summer contact signings were working out and he was just dropped unexpectedly in the middle of it, but I'm also not sure he wanted a seat lower down the grid. He's obviously made some seat changes that haven't worked out for him and I don't know if getting in with Haas or AT or Williams would have helped him get back in a winning car which I think he wants (they all do, but he kinda knows he has a shot).

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Buck
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5. "Eh...I like Ric, but he showed nothing, and worse."
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He finished with 1/4 of his teammates points, which is embarrassing. And you say he just finished out of the top 10, but Lando finished 7th, and in practical terms that means McLaren had the 4th best car on the grid. So he finished 11th bug should have been no worse than 8th.

Worse still, he cost McLaren 4th in the constructor's, which means a loss of millions of dollars for the team (plus reduced sponsorship opportunities). Even if he'd just managed to score half of what Lando scored, McLaren would have nabbed 4th.

So all told, including his salary, Ric probably cost his team north of 100 million last season. And there was just no sign of him getting better.

Tough for him, but I wouldn't sign him, to any team. Some guys just lose it. It happens.

  

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spenzalii
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8. "I want Lewis to get to 8 to end the discussion"
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If he gets to 8 he breaks the tie with Schummacher, which is the last remaining stat people can use to claim he's not the GOAT. Most wins, poles, 'chips. Plus, the narrative of 'he's always got the best car/team' loses some merit after the '22 season of sadness with the W13, so the next 'chip has a bit more weight. All due respect for any and all drivers before him, but if Hamilton gets to 8 championships, if he isn't the GOAT you're a hater or racist. People have no problem claiming Mike S as the greatest, but if Lewis has all his records and doesn't get the same recognition.

On top of all that, he's still 1 of 1. What else could it be?

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6. "Why didn’t Alpine have Oscar locked up?"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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spenzalii
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7. "Somebody didn't check the paperwork, I suppose"
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They may have thought his rights would roll over to the team if they did nothing, but someone didn't read the fine print. They may also have misread Alonso's desire and got caught off guard when he bolted for Aston.

Still, even with egg on their face hiring Gasley was a good move for Alpine. Now free from Red Bulls shadow, Pierre has to shine in the next 2 seasons

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9. "i like Gasly. i think he has something."
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obviously he failed at Red Bull but i think he was a victim of youth and the focus on Max combined.

he's seasoned now and has shown his talent driving lesser cars. Alpine, by all accounts, has a good car so if he doesn't shine, yeah, that's gonna be a huge L.

  

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14. "Gasly had a hell of a race in light of where it began."
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To get points from that? He probably had the best drive outside of Alonso.

  

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10. "I don't know enough about the sport to prognosticate "
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but I'm very curious to see how well George Russell will do, especially given how well I'm hoping Hamilton will rebound from last season. Very curious if and how Mercedes will prioritize between those two. Dude was pretty consistent in terms of top five finishes from what I remember in the prior season.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Buck
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11. "Lol...so does Aston Martin have the better Mercedes than Mercedes?"
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Lance got back in the seat like 10 minutes ago with his wrist stapled back together and still almost nabbed 6th.

Getting beat by your customer team...lord have mercy. Now Toto talking about having to change the whole car concept.

Still think experience and resources mean they out-develop AM and wind up 3rd regardless, but it'll be fun while it lasts.

  

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12. "Played out just like this today "
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Good for Gasly getting points from the back.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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Buck
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13. "Yeah, that midfield is a jumble."
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Gasly, then Bottas putting in a top 10 under the radar. Williams with race pace as well.

There is a serious chance AM finishes 2nd in the constructors, which is fantastic.

That said, it may be boring watching RBR go 1-2 every damned race.

  

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spenzalii
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15. "I don't trust Stroll enough to pull his weight to get to 3rd in the cons..."
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The gap between Stroll and Alonso isn't like, say, Max and Gasley/Albon, but we have seen Stroll for years, and he is the driver we see. Flashes of speed, but not exactly consistent, to put it kindly. On any team competing for a championship, he is going to be the weak link.

Worst case scenario, the finishing order between Hamilton/Russell and Alonso/Stroll will be enough to keep Mercedes in 3rd, but barely. That absolutely is NOT what the Silver Arrows wants

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16. "Bring back Malaysia."
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And lose this boring ass track. It's just nothing.

Is Merc faster than Ferrari already, or was that just circuit characteristics?

Other than that, what else is there to talk about. McLaren are horrible? Sargeant ain't bad at all? Alonso still quick?

  

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17. "The safety car probably renders the question a bit moot"
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but I wonder how much better Hamilton would have done if he ran with the mediums instead of the hard tires at the start of the race yesterday; the safety car probably would have resulted in any potential advantages he would have gained lost anyway.

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18. "Yeah...water reaches its own level."
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Especially at a track like that, which is just pure pace and not much tire management. Maybe he cycles past Russell for 4th at the first round of stops, and hangs on to it, but 4th or 5th...doubt he cares at all. They were the 3rd fastest car, and finished 3rd fastest.

  

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19. "Good MotoGP opener."
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Battle for 4th in the closing laps was great fun.

Marquez: clumsy, man.

  

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20. "RE: Good MotoGP opener."
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It was nice to see some exciting racing. The Sprint was pretty cool too.

Marquez finds himself in these situations a bit too often lately. He should really calm down a bit, even if to just stop hurting himself. Doing it to the Portugese hero at his home race was even worse.

I like Oliveira too, hope he can keep doing well on last year's Aprilia. The 2023 Aprilia seems a decent race bike too, and the KTMs aren't as far back as they usually start the season. There are some interesting story lines there (Oliveira and Jack Miller being so close in the sprint after Jack took the KTM seat), and I do hope the Japanese manufacturers find there way again, it's pretty wild actually, I'm pretty sure there was a time not too long ago where Honda and Yamaha both being seemingly uncompetitive seemed impossible.

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21. "Back in Melbourne after 2 years. Let's see what happens"
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I'm sure baring any 1st lap shenanigans, Max peaces out and wins by 17 seconds. I'm just here to watch Stroll let the AMR side down

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22. "You mean Perez? I guess he let himself down."
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Leave my Canadian rich kid alone. I'm sure he says sorry enough to the team, but Alonso finally has a decent car again and by the transitive property that's technically thanks to Lance.

Interesting quali, hopefully the weekends conditions help the race be a bit more interesting somehow. I'd enjoy a fun start ganging up on Max for a bit, even if I know he'll be back past once he has DRS probably.

Moto GP race weekend in Argentina too already. Great sprint race today, Brad Binder going P15 to P1! Hopefully the Aprilia's have better long race pace.

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23. "What a race."
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Have to feel sorry for Russell and the Mercedes team in general. Hamilton got a huge gift in a sense from that second caution car as Alonso was on his ass before the car came out.

This is a very minor observation, but something I noticed as I'm a bicycle commuter; why on earth does that Aussie track have what seem to be bicycle lanes on it? I couldn't help to notice the bicycle lane markings on the overhead view.

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24. "It is technically a street track, that is used by the public, in that pa..."
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and probably doesn't favour cars I guess.

The engine blowing up for Russell was unfortunate. Honestly, I would have liked to see a few more laps of the two of them in front, because it seemed like Hamilton having DRS was the best way for both of them to possibly keep Verstappen behind, but there was only one lap's example of that to go on.

I can't believe he we still bitching about Turn 3 Lap 1 after the race.

Such a weird way for the race to finish. I really don't know how I feel about these FIA decisions now, they're not breaking rules anymore but it seems like they'll do unnecessary things to finish under green conditions.

Moto GP was fun in the rain, even if the winners kinda ran away with it with some pace no one else found. Bagnaia crashing out of good positions again. Aprilia's went from looking like a 1-2 in the sun to nowhere.

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25. "Max gonna Max. Lewis is still under his skin, I suppose"
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Lewis didn't run him wide, he held his line. But Max doesn't let anything go and complains unless he's doing it. To be fair to him though, I think a lot of drivers do the same in the heat of the moment, but Max seems to have a little extra. Go figure

Could a DRS tow game kept Mercedes ahead of Max? Maybe for a few laps, but that would be maximum push, which would kill the tires quicker and let Max walk back up into DRS range and blow right past them. I have no clue how RB set their car up to gain so much speed with DRS engaged, but it is super impressive. At the same time, seeing Mercedes legitimately in the mix was impressive for the first time in a long time. May be a one off, but it may be hope? Who knows.

I would have loved to see 2 straight up laps at the end, no DRS, but the utter carnage on that last restart was absolutely wild. I guess the only two options would be call the race dead at that point, or reset and basically do a formation run, locking in the finishing positions. It was the better of untasteful choices, even if it meant Hulk lost out on a podium and Alonzo got back on. Now, if Max and Lewis made it through the first sector time trap, it would have been different.

Kinda feel bad for Sainz, but 5s is the standard penalty for causing an accident, which clearly he did with Alonso. At that late in the race, the 5s would hit after the race was over, regardless of if they actually ran those 2 laps or not (he couldn't serve it in the pits at that point). Sitting in pit lane waiting to queue up knowing you lost hurts, but I guess it's better than finding out after you're in the cooldown room about to get a trophy and then get pulled...

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27. "I really wanted to see Max vs Lewis for 2 laps sans DRS"
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Probably wouldn't have changed anything but who knows.

SO I started a pool with 10 people, I randomly assign each person 2 drivers then randomly pick a Position from 1 - 10 and 11-20 which will split the pot. So this week was P6 and P11, Sainz really made that shit fun at 4:30 in the morning.

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28. "Gambling on F1? "
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>Probably wouldn't have changed anything but who knows.
>
>SO I started a pool with 10 people, I randomly assign each
>person 2 drivers then randomly pick a Position from 1 - 10 and
>11-20 which will split the pot. So this week was P6 and P11,
>Sainz really made that shit fun at 4:30 in the morning.

I suppose that's one way to induce maximum engagement. I applaud your confidence in wanting to gamble on a sport you just started to watch. To be clear, I'm a new jack myself.

Out of curiosity, do you decide the bets before or after the qualifying runs before each race?

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29. "Once the grid is set I use a draft generator to give everyone drivers"
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so now 2 races in a row I convinced 9 others to care about F1 against their will. Very proud of my efforts.

Ive placed bets on all 3 races so far. Im also an idiot.

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30. "I thought it was hilarious for Max"
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to bring up that contact he had with Hamilton in the post-race interview given how relatively stress-free his race was. If memory serves me correct, I don't think the interviewer even asked Max about that incident; he magically brought that up on his own volition. I suppose that's the stuff that makes Max a champ.

I wonder what that post-race cool down room with Max, Hamilton, and Alonso would look like if the cameras and recording microphones weren't there. The replay that ran on that big screen in the room showed the contact Hamilton and Max had, correct? I had to run an errand while that portion was televised, so I didn't notice.

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31. "RE: I thought it was hilarious for Max"
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I actually missed the post-race broadcast, my recording cut out on that last lap when they were talking about the crown trying to get on the track.

I just read that he mentions that the "rules weren't followed" which is the part that is just rich coming from them/RB. It's almost like one of the April fools articles I read about Horner's reaction to the SC driver's recent interview about 2021.

I know why people would've wanted a fight between Max and Ham and maybe Alonso, but it's still unnecessary and this result if kind of why. Like the mention of the sun setting and being in their eyes in that direction isn't a joke. Some things should just finish under yellow, it's not always a bad thing, it's not like there was a close race on that it ruined or would have made anti-climatic, they tried to make something out of what wasn't there I think. I know this wasn't in your post but others.

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34. "Well, Max wasn't close, but it was close-ish"
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Even with Max going off track he was still 7 seconds up on the field. The most tense battle was between Hamilton and Alonso, which played out for a good chunk of the race, seeing whether or not Lewis could keep Fernando out of DRS range. Every time Zo would close in, Ham would eek just that much out. THAT was extremely entertaining. So the chance to get two laps between the three of them with no DRS was pretty tantalizing.

Though after K-Mag's accident and the restart chaos, there really wasn't much else they could do, rules or safety wise. Finishing under yellow wasn't possible, as there were too many cars and too much debris to continue those last 2 laps. They were already looking at the race timing out anyway (can't exceed 2 hours on regular race; if red flags, total time can't be over 3 hours). So while a two lap sprint race between 3 world champs was in the cards and what everyone wanted to see, it just couldn't happen after the chaos, and nobody should be mad or disappointed (unless they don't understand how the rules work, I guess).

Mind you, the FIA has either played loose or misinterpreted the rules so many times I get some level of skepticism or disappointment. But in this race, I think it was pretty fairly handled. At most you could argue the restart order, but again, they weren't through a full sector, so unfortunately some people lost out through no fault of their own (see: Haas).

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35. "RE: Well, Max wasn't close, but it was close-ish"
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oh just to clarify my stance, I don't think that second red (KMags) was warranted is what I'm saying. Like they mention the debris, but they really did that for the possible battle. Even the gravel in the first one seemed odd. I don't think they needed to, just let it finish under yellow if they can't clean up the loose tire, none of that restart mess happens, no third red, which was the most warranted, yeah, but arguably the FIAs doing.

I feel like teams are going to start expecting them to press that red button more often, and it's going to make a mess of the pit stop decisions too if this is a pattern. It used to be pretty explicitly about track condition (weather, fixing barriers) now it's like, wondering if race control is thinking about "going motor racing" and finishing under green, which isn't what a red is reallllly for but is just their reaction to AD2021.

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36. "Nah, I think K-Mags was probably warranted"
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He was skidding way too far down the track with the broken suspension. Had it just been a tire, maybe virtual safety car and get it. But as far as he drove before he slowed down and the shower of suspension parts and carbon fiber? I'm not mad at erring on the side of caution there. Clean the track, repair the barrier, take it from there. I don't think setting up the 3 way battle ever came into the decision.

That said, again, this is the FIA, and even if Masi isn't running things, while I doubt they would be that blatant I can't say I'd be surprised if that was the reasoning.

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26. "Yeah...Albert Park is actually just a city park."
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>Such a weird way for the race to finish. I really don't know
>how I feel about these FIA decisions now, they're not breaking
>rules anymore but it seems like they'll do unnecessary things
>to finish under green conditions.

I hated all the red flags, and I think standing restarts are stupid generally. They're gimmicky. One start to the race is all you need, and after that, if it has to be red, just a rolling start after the safety car is fine.

It's all gone to shit since Charlie Whiting died, basically.

>Moto GP was fun in the rain, even if the winners kinda ran
>away with it with some pace no one else found. Bagnaia
>crashing out of good positions again. Aprilia's went from
>looking like a 1-2 in the sun to nowhere.

Unfortunately had other obligations and had to miss this one. Check the highlights tonight.

  

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32. "Thank you both for answering that"
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seemingly inane question.

That track looks very very very well maintained for being a part of city/municipal park. Perhaps I'm thinking too much from a NYC-centric point of view, but that track looks brand spanking new for being part of a park the general public can use and doesn't appear to be rundown or over used at all.

I question the addition of pebbles on the outer lap of the track especially since there's a turn at that portion, but I suppose wiser heads thought it wise to put that on a F1 course.

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33. "Well, they just remodeled it last year."
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Widened the circuit in places, reprofiled some of the corners, and repaved everything. So yeah, it did look new.

Also, the rest of the world isn't as disgusting and trashy as the US is. Some cultures take care of their nice shit.

  

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37. "Moto GP race weekend at COTA"
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If you're looking for some action during the F1 break.

I felt the need to post now, watching the pre-race for Moto 2, home rider Sean Dylan Kelly is going around on his bike which apparently has an OnlyFans sponsorship on it. Never noticed it before lol

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38. "Missed it live, watched the extended highlights."
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For a while it seemed as though nobody wanted a podium.

Those Ducatis are seriously fast on the straights. COTA seemed to amplify this.

Wish I'd seen it as it happened...drama of Bagnaia crashing out would have been much heightened.

  

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39. "RE: Missed it live, watched the extended highlights."
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I'm glad Rins stayed upright. Pretty insane level of attrition, but does show how sensitive the grip and tires are to those temperature changes, it's almost worse than bad weather because they don't understand the limits. In the lower classes, someone crashed their bikes on the warm up lap in Moto 3 and Moto 2.

When Marini passed Quartararo on the straight it was definitely shocking, but also, I was surprised he hadn't done it sooner considering how fast he looked. Being so fast you can't even slipstream them was always a Ducati quality, even when they first entered, but the bike wasn't as good overall as it is now.

Bagnaia crashing out of 2 good positions is surprising, it really seemed like he solved this 'problem' in his comeback last year. Still, he doesn't seem that far behind yet.

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40. "F1 is back in Baku. First Sprint Race weekend."
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So Friday qualifying is happening right now. Different format, this qualifies for the race only, tomorrow will have a Sprint Quali and the Quali race with no effect on the race grid from this qualifying (outside of penalties etc.) Baku usually makes for some crazy exciting race situation, not sure if a short sprint will be better or worse for it. We already have a Red in Q1.

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41. "Seems like it's been months."
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Long damned break.

Interesting to see somebody other than Max on pole. Not sure if that's Ferrari making the absolute most of the time off, or just raw power on the Baku straights. Maybe both. Not an especially representative circuit.

Say the same about McLaren...car probably still a dog, but goes fast in a line anyway. Still happy to see them in Q3.

The format...what little interest I had in the sprint races from the outset is...still diminishing, regardless of the tweaks. But I'm cranky and old fashioned.

  

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42. "In 2023, seeing a car come down pit lane..."
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...through a crowd of people...lord have mercy.

On the other hand, that was about the most interesting part of the race. Thought about halfway through Max would have something for Checo, but not today.

Now to read about failures of communication, reprimands, fines, and hopefully some firings.

  

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43. "Bikes were good though."
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Last 5 laps, Binder v. Bagnaia was superb.

  

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44. "RE: Bikes were good though."
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Yeah, it's nice to have Moto GP to watch after the F1 races. Already in Miami next week though, after that month break, is wild.

Kinda odd that Moto GP had two red flags this weekend while F1 didn't have any in either race in Baku. Hopefully Perez can keep making it interesting Championship wise, I don't quite believe it's competitive yet.

I'm not happy about how these former Champs are doing my boy Oliveira! Was cool to see KTM with two double podiums.

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45. "Not unless Checo has really made some great step up."
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>Hopefully Perez can
>keep making it interesting Championship wise, I don't quite
>believe it's competitive yet.

Or this car really does suit him better this year than it does Max. But it may be one of those things where it just comes down to luck and/or reliability. Max blows an engine or two, Checo just keeps plugging away...you never know. How would Max react to being behind a teammate in points, late in the season? Think the last time was 2017, behind Ricciardo, who was still the #1 there, at that time. Hm.

>I'm not happy about how these former Champs are doing my boy
>Oliveira!

That crash was pretty nasty. Kinda feared the worst there for a bit, once the camera started only showing those wide-angle helicopter shots of the scene.

  

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46. "RE: Not unless Checo has really made some great step up."
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Need more street tracks for Checo! lol I think part of the reason I want it is to see how Max reacts. Hope he loses Monaco again. Checo does seem more comfortable, but yeah, I'm not sure he's on his level on a normal weekend, I feel like we'll really know when we're a bit into that busy 'Europe' season.

When they cut away from Quartararo just lying there, I was worried. That Oliveira came off worse was just terrible luck. He might be the best Aprilia on race day.

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49. "I hate the camera cut away."
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Not that they shouldn't do it, but in any series, that cut is stressful.

  

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51. "RE: I hate the camera cut away."
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I know they don't want to show something that might be real bad, but yeah, the moment they do that you start assuming the worst. Start hoping for replays cuz that means it's not that bad.

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47. "Am I correct"
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in interpreting Sunday's race as being a poor one from Mercedes' perspective, or am I being too harsh?

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48. "It would be poor for any year in the last 7 or 8."
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>in interpreting Sunday's race as being a poor one from
>Mercedes' perspective, or am I being too harsh?

But about on par for how good this year's car is, which is probably 4th. If they end up 3rd or better, it'll be because either Ferrari dumbassed their way out of a ton of points, or Aston couldn't keep pace with Ferrari/Mercedes in-season development and fell way behind.

But given where things stand right now, 6th and 8th is about right.

  

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50. "From what I remember"
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>>in interpreting Sunday's race as being a poor one from
>>Mercedes' perspective, or am I being too harsh?
>
>But about on par for how good this year's car is, which is
>probably 4th. If they end up 3rd or better, it'll be because
>either Ferrari dumbassed their way out of a ton of points, or
>Aston couldn't keep pace with Ferrari/Mercedes in-season
>development and fell way behind.
>
>But given where things stand right now, 6th and 8th is about
>right.

Hamilton had some terrible luck when he pitted to switch from the medium to hard tires; I wonder if he would have waited just a little bit longer, he could have beat out the Ferrari he was chasing late in the race. Probably not as I'm guessing the difference in when he pitted wouldn't have help with the tire degradation that late in the race.

Has to be pretty sobering for Hamilton to be so close to beating Verstappen two seasons ago to having such relatively humble results at the moment.

Pardon me if it seems I'm over-reacting as I just started to follow the sport two or so years ago; I don't know if drivers relatively falling off like Hamilton is seemingly doing is normal.

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52. "RE: From what I remember"
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I mean, the Hamilton falloff is a lot of media and internet trolling. The car has fallen off more than anything. Schumacher didn't fall off when he came back for a few Mercedes years. Vettel didn't really fall off when the Red Bull wasn't the same after his 4 year run. Everyone always likes to point out that Alonso might be the best driver on the grid all the years he signed for crap cars, Hamilton is still Hamilton.

He actually had a good comeback after the SC from his position drops. I don't think pitting later would have helped him, I don't think he was passing that Ferrari unless he could've undercut them in the pits, which the SC prevented at all, even if he didn't go early.

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53. "Don't think Hamilton is falling off. The car hasn't been good the last 2..."
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George seems to get on top of the car a little quicker, but he's used to driving a Williams, so almost anything would feel better to him (that's a little unfair, but...). Come race day, Lewis usually looks better, but the car is just not where it needs to be or where he's used to. It's painful to watch, but it's not his fault. We saw Danny Ric and Alonso go through it, Vettel never quite had the success at Ferrari after the RB switch. Hamilton will be fine. I hate how 2021 shook out, but had he won just one other race (take Baku, where he hit the 'magic lever' and took himself out the race at the restart) he would have 8 chips. Mercedes and Hamilton have something to prove, and I have faith they will figure it out before Hamilton does start to fall off and calls it quits.

3rd of 4th is where I suspect they end up. History shows Ferrari is gonna Ferrari, so they will likely take themselves out the running. As for Aston, Alonso will hold his side up, but Stroll? Competent driver, but he will always be the weak link they can't replace because it's daddy's money paying for everything.

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55. "there's no evidence Hamilton is underperforming the car"
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that said, championship drivers falling off when there's a spec change is like the most normal thing


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54. "Upping for Miami"
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I know it's only Friday but the Mercs did what they did last year again, topping the timesheets in first practice as a random surprise (especially since the upgrades aren't supposed to be there yet). Hopefully they stay close enough up there with others to make the race interesting.

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56. "Then came practice 2."
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I'm no engineer, but what I think is probably happening is that FP1 is generally (in non-sprint weekends) the installation/test new parts/general setup session, and most teams don't run anywhere near the limit, since they just want to see if the new wing works or the revised brake inlet or whatever. But since Merc has an entire overhaul planned and full seconds to make up on the top of the field, I think they're using FP1 as a full testing/data gathering session, which requires running right at the limit. Before the cost-cap, they could probably just do everything they needed to in the wind tunnel and CFD, but this year, I think they have to maximize every second of on-track time. So yeah, Russell going round at 98% is faster than Max at 85%, but I don't think they're gonna be anywhere close until/unless they bring a whole B-spec car to the track.

Now, having written that, watch Lewis qualify on the front row this afternoon.

  

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57. "Some pretty good action in this one."
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Track still sucks, but it did produce some overtaking, at least where there wasn't a DRS train involved. Interesting how fast the Mercs got by the end of the race, while the Ferraris went backward.

Other than that, weird to not have even one yellow. Seems like its been ages since that happened.

McLaren...man. I like Zac Brown, but that team...I don't know.

  

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58. "Is Sergio allowed to get pissed or does he just have to eat this?"
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Max being faster on those tyres is pretty jarring

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59. "Think he has to eat it, sadly"
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I do think his team should have given him a little more guidance through when to conserve tire and when to push on his medium stint at the beginning, and definitely that he had to put the hammer down early in the hard tire stint. But between the track getting quicker as it wore in because of the heat and rubber being put down and Max being that fucking fast anyway... Things just didn't quite break Sergio's way in Miami. It sucks when someone comes from that far back, but I'm not even sure what they could do

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60. "I missed the post-race coverage"
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as I switched the channel from ABC to ESPN so I could watch the rest of the Celts/Sixers game yesterday; how tense were things between Verstappen and Perez in the tiny post-race cool down room?

I imagine both drivers know the cameras/microphones are on and know better than to air out any potentially dirty laundry, but I'm curious if there was any overt tension you could pick up on through the TV.

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61. "Max was all smiles"
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62. "listening to a couple F1 podcasts this morning..."
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and it's clear that Sergio just picked the wrong tire strategy and he has to eat this.

  

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63. "HE DID?? orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? "
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>and it's clear that Sergio just picked the wrong tire
>strategy and he has to eat this.

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64. "i mean, he said he did."
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so, unless he's lying to save face for the team i'd take HIS word for it.

is that what you're accusing him of doing?

  

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65. "Man, Checo wasn't fast enough on the mediums."
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To make that strategy work, he needed to get way, way out front on the softer tire. He didn't. Part of that was the speed differential between medium and hard didn't turn out to be very much, probably partly because of the overnight rains resetting the track. But in any event, he needed to be miles ahead come his pit stop. Didn't happen. And then Max on new mediums with light fuel vs. him on aging hards...no chance.

The reason Checo didn't have anything bad to say post-race was because he saw the result coming probably back on lap 20 or so. He knew his lap times, knew Max's, knew what everybody else was doing on the hards, and knew his pace on mediums wasn't going to get it done. Just one of those things.

I know DTS makes everybody look for intrigue and backstabbing, but sometimes you go with a strategy and the shit just don't work.

  

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66. "It should have worked and just didnt right?"
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Doing the same thing Max did from the pole was not the move. The fact that he lost time on fresh hards was strange to me.

Or, it it was so obvious to use the Hards first then what made him not do it?

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72. "it''s like that, also, you probably know but it's not always so obvious"
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what a "hard" or "medium" tire is changes on each track.

pirelli has a bunch of grades, and they just pick a few and label them
"this is the hard tire for this track / this week", but it might have been the softest compound last week

and then you gotta estimate how they'll work based on the track composition, temperature, setup, etc.


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73. "For one, F1 tires have very specific windows where they work best."
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First, they have a very defined temperature range in which they properly activate and provide the most traction. But they're also affected by how much rubber was on the track, the relative abrasiveness of the surface, the circuit characteristics, the driver characteristics, how fast the tire degrades, and lord knows what else. A tire that's great in Friday practice may suddenly suck on Sunday, and vice versa. And sometimes a tire that's great for the first 30 laps isn't so good for the last 30.

In general, Pirelli aims to have about a half-second difference between each of the three compounds they provide at a given track, meaning that if the hards do 1:30.0, for example, the mediums should do 1:29.5, and the softs 1:29.0. But it doesn't always work that way, and it's difficult to predict the best strategy. Which is part of the game.

In the case of Miami, the pole sitter starting on the softer compound (the softs would have forced a two-stop strategy or a horribly long hard stint) made perfect sense, and usually the first few qualifiers want to start on the softer because you don't want to lose track position right off the bat to some guy in 5th or wherever who's got grippier tires than you. So if I'm Checo, I absolutely want the mediums—not really even a question, if Alonso is right next to me on mediums.

The problem was, Checo wasn't getting a half-second a lap on Max. And neither, for comparison, was Alonso. When Checo pitted on lap 21 or around then, he needed to be about ten seconds up on Max, then lose 20-ish on the pit stop, then come out 10 behind him. But he came out something like 15 behind him...

Now, part of that is that Max is absurdly fast, and is usually a couple tenths faster than Checo anyway, depending on the track etc. He also probably picked up some time with DRS, which Checo didn't have since nobody was in front of him. And it's possible that Checo wasn't on top of his game that day. But really, I think it was mostly that the performance gap between the mediums and hards wasn't very big—at the start of the race, with no rubber laid down after the rain and a Miami-hot, jet black new asphalt surface. It's possible, for example, that the mediums were running too hot and with too much slipping, because the track hadn't rubbered in yet. Sliding tires overheat quickly. On the other side, it's likely that the hards were right in their peak window. So the medium guys are getting like 85% out of their tires while the hards are at 100%.

But after 40 laps or so, the track's rubbered in and in prime condition, and the mediums come to life. And so Max is hellaciously fast when he switches to them.

Like I said, starting on the mediums was the only call for the pole sitter—BEFORE the race, on Saturday, when you have to make that call. And so, like I said, Checo, who is one of the absolute smartest guys out there, knew what was going to happen way early in the race, once he realized that he wasn't getting the gap he needed. Hence he didn't really fight him when Max went for the pass, and he wasn't pissed afterward, because whaddya gonna do? The race was over by lap 10. Shit happens.

  

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74. "The 5 seconds Max gained at the end"
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Was that aided by Checo accepting his fate and just coasting in?

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75. "Tires, man. Tires are everything."
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Do you remember early in the race both Checo and Alonso complaining about graining? That's a symptom of too much heat, which is usually caused by slippage, itself usually caused by understeer, where the fronts slide too much in the corner. That happens when the track isn't providing enough grip, such as when you have overnight rainstorms and no F2 support race to put more rubber down. Or you botched the car setup, but neither RBR or AM did that. It's the tire getting too hot and tearing itself apart laterally, across the width of the tire. That does not help your lap time.

The hards weren't graining as much because they're...harder, basically, and more durable. But also slower, all else being equal.

But once you get 40 laps of rubber on the track, you get less graining and a faster tire. In which case the mediums were gonna be much faster than the hards, as they're supposed to be, because they weren't tearing themselves to bits anymore.

So no, Checo didn't coast. If he could have gone faster, he would have.

Christian Horner may well fuck Checo over at some point this season to ensure Max wins the title, but it didn't happen this race.

  

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76. "Could he have gone to hards after lap 10 or would that have been too ris..."
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77. "Too risky to swap to hards that early"
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That would have forced a 2 stop race. I don't think at that point there was enough rubber on the track for him to put down the hammer and close the gap to Max, who was already on that hards and charging through the field. By time he switched to the mediums on his second stop, Max would have been long gone and Perez may have been fighting to get back to the podium (though with the speed that RB has it may not have been so hard).

Doing a 1 stop and running those hards to the end was out of the question, because their grip would be petering out while the rest of the field would have swallowed him up on fresher tires, be they hard or medium.

It was all the tires on this one. Good strategy, bad timing. That and Max is silly fast

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78. "Probably gonna be super wet next weekend"
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What will the tire strategy be for that wet track?

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79. "Not much, if it stays wet throughout."
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Intermediates last forever, if the track stays wet and cool. Probably one stop, whenever the lap times start falling off enough, but if the tires stay cool enough you might see somebody not pit at all. Probably Albon or somebody else in the back, picking up few spots that way.

The interest comes with a wet start but it stops raining and the track dries out. When to change to slicks is always the huge question. Too late and you get run over by everybody who went early. Too soon and you slide into the wall.

If it rains hard enough we might see full wets, but the last couple of years the FIA seems to want to not even start the race in full-wet conditions, like Spa a couple of years ago. Some have asked what the point of having wet tires is if you're not gonna run in the conditions that require them, but on the other hand, an abundance of caution is better than dead drivers.

Hope it does rain, because nothing levels the field like a wet track. Except Max will still win because he rules in the rain. But so does Lewis, so maybe....

  

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67. "literally all this was mentioned on the podcasts, Ceej."
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>To make that strategy work, he needed to get way, way out
>front on the softer tire. He didn't. Part of that was the
>speed differential between medium and hard didn't turn out to
>be very much, probably partly because of the overnight rains
>resetting the track. But in any event, he needed to be miles
>ahead come his pit stop. Didn't happen. And then Max on new
>mediums with light fuel vs. him on aging hards...no chance.
>
>The reason Checo didn't have anything bad to say post-race was
>because he saw the result coming probably back on lap 20 or
>so. He knew his lap times, knew Max's, knew what everybody
>else was doing on the hards, and knew his pace on mediums
>wasn't going to get it done. Just one of those things.
>

specifically that he and his race engineers went with the mediums based on qualifying and having the pole but they failed to take into account the overnight rain, or they at least discounted it's affect.

and, as you stated, he was fine taking the L and not pushing back because he and his guys who work directly with him in the paddock took the wrong strategy.

if you mess up you can't rally say much.

and, they mentioned that Max was pushing back on his engineers on Friday even though they were confident this was the right strategy and Horner said that in their pre race he was pushing for mediums for both Checo and Max and he thought Max choosing hards was risky. Checo said he chose mediums because he had pole position and they thought hards were risky. Alonso was complaining about his tires too and went with the same strategy as Checo.

i mean, based on all the evidence it looks like Checo just chose unwisely.

  

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68. "All Makes sense "
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Chalk it up to a little bad luck, just like Max’s bad luck with his Baku pit.

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69. "Any other conspiracies you wanna get off while we're here?"
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71. "lol. okay."
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80. "Damn, they're cancelling Imola"
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There's a "wet tires? what wet tires" joke in there, but it sounds like the flooding is pretty serious in the region.

The 1000th Moto GP race was last weekend at Le Mans. Pretty good race, spread out a bit later, but that was in part the result of some dramatic race incidents so it was exciting. Kept the Championship battle interesting.

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81. "I just read a report about the flooding on BBC News"
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>There's a "wet tires? what wet tires" joke in there, but it
>sounds like the flooding is pretty serious in the region.

Based on the article, the flooding sounds quite quite terrible; the same BBC News article mentioned that 10K people had to be evacuated and power was knocked out because of how bad the rain was. I hope the buildings and overall landscape can be rebuilt eventually. I have no clue if the effected towns are in flat landscapes or are in mountainous regions, which could make a huge difference in terms of damage that was done.

Pardon my new jack self for asking this; so the points from this cancelled event just go bye-bye for everyone and all involved, correct? Does this change things in terms of teams or individuals winnings titles? I would assume this will help teams tinker around with their car specs and engines, so I suppose that is somewhat of a positive out of this negative flooding disaster.

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82. "RE: I just read a report about the flooding on BBC News"
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>Pardon my new jack self for asking this; so the points from
>this cancelled event just go bye-bye for everyone and all
>involved, correct? Does this change things in terms of teams
>or individuals winnings titles? I would assume this will help
>teams tinker around with their car specs and engines, so I
>suppose that is somewhat of a positive out of this negative
>flooding disaster.

If they can reschedule the race for later in the year, but there just isn't much room to do that, so it'll probably just not happen this year. Maybe not next either, because I think the Imola race contract expires this year, but I could be wrong on that.

So no points for this race, but that won't have much effect on the final standings. Just less total points.

Bunch of teams were planning their first big car upgrade package for this weekend, including Merc and Ferrari, so they'll have to wait to deploy that. But Monaco is next, and there's really not much point in bringing upgrades to that track, unless they're specifically aimed at low-speed corners. Everybody just puts max wing on and runs soft tires, and nobody will learn much about the new parts from that setup. So they'll wait until Barcelona the following week, so they can get some actual usable data that has some applicability to the rest of the races.

Somebody might use the week off to get more tinkering done, but part development takes months, generally, so doubt anyone will get much more done with just the one free week.

Biggest problem is probably the loss of income, both for F1 and the teams, and how the cost cap will have to be recalculated.

  

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83. "Thanks for the thorough breakdown"
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>>Pardon my new jack self for asking this; so the points from
>>this cancelled event just go bye-bye for everyone and all
>>involved, correct? Does this change things in terms of teams
>>or individuals winnings titles? I would assume this will
>help
>>teams tinker around with their car specs and engines, so I
>>suppose that is somewhat of a positive out of this negative
>>flooding disaster.
>
>If they can reschedule the race for later in the year, but
>there just isn't much room to do that, so it'll probably just
>not happen this year. Maybe not next either, because I think
>the Imola race contract expires this year, but I could be
>wrong on that.
>
>So no points for this race, but that won't have much effect on
>the final standings. Just less total points.
>
>Bunch of teams were planning their first big car upgrade
>package for this weekend, including Merc and Ferrari, so
>they'll have to wait to deploy that. But Monaco is next, and
>there's really not much point in bringing upgrades to that
>track, unless they're specifically aimed at low-speed corners.
>Everybody just puts max wing on and runs soft tires, and
>nobody will learn much about the new parts from that setup. So
>they'll wait until Barcelona the following week, so they can
>get some actual usable data that has some applicability to the
>rest of the races.
>
>Somebody might use the week off to get more tinkering done,
>but part development takes months, generally, so doubt anyone
>will get much more done with just the one free week.
>
>Biggest problem is probably the loss of income, both for F1
>and the teams, and how the cost cap will have to be
>recalculated.

Much appreciated.

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84. "Rain made it interesting."
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If Alonso had just held out for the inters, might have been a different result.

Other than that, fun to see cars sliding around, at least.

  

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85. "RE: Rain made it interesting."
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Yeah, it wasn't a terrible Monaco weekend. Quali was pretty exciting, the Mercs lack of a final run still confused me, mainly since it seemed to go unnoticed.

Some of those Haas dives on Sargeant were amusing, and pass attempts in an unexpected place. Good for Ocon.

The case against Ferrari with that Leclerc penalty, all being about their communication, is getting embarrassing. They aren't learning yet it seems. Hard to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Crazy that Catalunya is this weekend, 3 in a row if Imola wasn't cancelled.

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86. "The pain of the Tifosi continues"
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Ferrari seems to love drama and shooting themselves in the foot.

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87. "The decline of Ferrari leadership..."
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...from Jean Todt and Stefano Domenicali to...jeez, whoever came next, then....Arrivabene? Then Binotto. It's gotta be a corporate culture problem. I'd assume Vasseur sees it and has plans to fix it, but we'll see.

Actually much more interested in Spain than Monaco, even though that tracks isn't always that exciting. But gotta think some big upgrade packages are coming online. Curious if any real RBR challenge happens, which I guess would have to be A-M, but maybe Merc has a trick up their sleeve.

  

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88. "Whoo, I was hoping for rain."
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So Merc looks like the sidepod redesign put them right up into 2nd. Never underestimate German, er, Brackley engineering. And Ferrari...still not much going on. As you were, then.

  

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89. "I'm curious "
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what adjustments Ashton-Martin will make in response. That second place Constructor's Cup spot is right there for them. Hopefully the battle for second and third place between Mercedes, Ashton-Martin, and Ferrari will keep things interesting.

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90. "Yeah, I don't know what they can do, honestly."
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The primary area of development this year seems to be the sidepods, with both Merc and Ferrari changing their entire concepts—this race, basically—to the RBR model. Which makes sense, in the second year of a rules change, to copy what obviously works the best. But A-M were kinda already using that RBR-type sidepod, from what little I understand about aerodynamics. So I don't think they have that obvious area of development open to them, like Merc just did.

Plus, while clearly Pops Stroll has got the organization working well, and truly competitive for the first time ever, it's Mercedes F1, you know. The personnel, facilities, and experience are tough to catch up to. Even with the cost cap, I figure A-M has got a few seasons to go before they're the sort of R&D juggernaut that Merc is.

But maybe there's some major area for development that A-M sees and Merc doesn't yet. Or maybe they can just refine what they've got to stay just ahead. But after today, it's hard not to see Merc keeping 2nd in the constructor's.

  

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91. "AM never seriously had a chance for 2nd in the constructors"
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And it's not the car's fault. There's enough data out there to prove Stroll is who he is and nothing to show he's going to get better. Alonso will drive the wheels off the car. Stroll will drive the car to a finish.

Put it like this. I have more faith in Ferrari sorting things out and making a decent run come 2nd half than AM getting 3rd in the constructors. Not that I have anything against Lance. He's just not that guy. Never was or will be. You can't win the constructors with only one driver.

About the sidepods... I do think Mercedes could have figured out the 'zero pod' concept and got it to work. But after two years chasing down the (faulty) sim times it's not worth chasing after it if they want to win. Their wheelbase and rake setup are still a bit different than RB, so they can sort out how the more conventional sidepods work for them and prepare a better floor for next season.

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92. "He literally just out-qualified and out-finished Alonso."
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>You can't win
>the constructors with only one driver.

Like, I know you hate the guy, but damn.

  

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93. "Again, I don't hate the guy. I really don't"
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But I've watched him since he's been in F1 from Williams to Racing Point/Aston Martin. He's got some flashes of speed if everything is absolutely perfect for him . He was on an absolute blinder in the rain in Turkey before the track dried up, his tired grained up, and he fell off a cliff (and Lewis went on to get wild hun'ned). He's has a raft of retirements, some not his fault, others very much his fault. Nice kid, reasonably quick. That said, since he got his seat in 2017 there has been absolutely NOTHING to show Stroll is going to progress further than what you have seen from him. When you're driving for a mid-pack or below team, it doesn't matter much or is hidden a little better. When you're trying to crack the front running teams? It's fairly noticeable.

I've got no axe to grind or agenda against Stroll. I don't even care if his dad owns the team and bought his seat. If I was in the same position you think I wouldn't hop at the chance? But the proof is out there. Just watch any year and tell me he's got better or there's anything to show he's going to get to a higher level in his driving skill. It's just not there. And if AM really wants to make a serious push to the front, Stroll will be more a liability than an asset (though dad's money is the ultimate asset). I'm not a hater for saying it.

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94. "Here's the thing: there is no Aston Martin racing without Lance."
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As in: it would not exist. At all. You can say Lance is only there because of Daddy's money, but the converse is equally true. Force India would have been sold to someone else, or simply dismantled, and the massive investment and rebranding that has resulted in Fernando Alonso fighting for podiums in 2023 would have never happened.

So it's kind of tedious to keep bringing up how lucky Lance is to have a seat. Right now, Alonso is lucky Lance has a seat, the fight for 2nd in the constructors is lucky Lance has a seat, and even Checo is lucky Lance has a seat. In total, the whole damned sport is lucky Lance has a seat.

  

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98. "All of that is true, and none of it has anything to do with my point"
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I'm not saying Lance is lucky to have a seat. I am saying Lance is not going to bring enough points to the team to challenge for 2nd in the constructors. That has nothing to do with his merit as a person, and all as his skills as a driver.

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95. "Kinda uncomfortable watching Marquez right now."
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Both of them, actually, but Marc...is he ever gonna get back? Maybe a year off, get everything right again?

Straightforward business for Bagnaia. Mugello really is a lovely track.

  

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96. "I do kinda prefer it when he goes down on his own"
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over when he gets reckless around Championship contenders when he happens to show up.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Germany next week, he's never lost there when he's raced.

I also might not want him to match Rossi lol. The Honda situation is probably more uncomfortable, this fall from grace is pretty dramatic and he really might be overriding that bike to even have it up where he was.

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97. "Yeah."
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>he really might be overriding that bike
>to even have it up where he was.

Could be pushing the limit to compensate for the equipment, which would be less sad to me than not quite knowing where the limit is anymore, or how to ride it.

  

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99. "Certainly went down quite a bit this weekend."
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Lucky it wasn't worse than the fractured finger.

  

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101. "5 crashes was crazy"
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Only 1 Honda on the GP grid. Technically withdrawing means he hasn't lost his record of winning whenever he's raced on a Sunday there, but its had to tell what is ever going to happen with him now.

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100. "Some interesting stuff in Canada."
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Albon gets my driver of the day for keeping half the field behind him for 60 laps. In NASCAR somebody would have just punted him into the wall, but you can't quite do that in F1.

So on a series of drag strips, then, AM is clearly 2nd fastest, with Merc 3rd and Ferrari 4th. That says something about Silverstone, but nothing about Austria or Hungary. These next 3 races will probably define the way the rest of the season goes...

  

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102. "RE: Some interesting stuff in Canada."
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Hamilton appreciating their rear ends lol. In F1 the curbs punt you.

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103. "wellllll"
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Lewis Austria 2020 could tell you otherwise LOL

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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104. "Jimmie Johnson's in-laws...man..."
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His wife's father killed his wife, his grandson, and himself. Jimmie was supposed to race the Chicago thing this weekend, but obviously out of that now.

https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/jimmie-johnson-withdraws-chicago-chandra-family-shooting/10488419/

Jimmie Johnson withdraws from NASCAR race after family tragedy
Seven-time NASCAR Cup Series champion Jimmie Johnson has withdrawn from the NASCAR Cup Series race at the Chicago Street Course.

Johnson was set to make his fourth Cup start of the year, driving the No. 84 Legacy Motor Club Chevrolet in the inaugural event.

He ran the season-opening Daytona 500, COTA, and the Coke 600. Johnson was also a part of the Garage 56 NASCAR entry at the 24 Hours of Le Mans earlier this month.

The decision to bow out of the Chicago race comes following news of a terrible tragedy involving the family of Jimmie's wife of nearly 20 years, Chandra. Her parents Jack and Terry Janway, as well Chandra's 11-year-old nephew Dalton have all been killed in what police have said is a possible murder-suicide.

The shooting took place on Monday evening in Muskogee, Oklahoma.

As a result, Johnson has understandably withdrawn from this weekend's race with the team he co-owns releasing the following statement:

"Legacy Motor Club has elected to withdraw the No. 84 Carvana Chevrolet from this weekend’s NASCAR Cup Series event in Chicago.

"The Johnson family has asked for privacy at this time and no further statements will be made."

NASCAR released their own statement, saying: "We are saddened by the tragic deaths of members of Chandra Johnson’s family. The entire NASCAR family extends its deepest support and condolences during this difficult time to Chandra, Jimmie and the entire Johnson & Janway families.”

  

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106. "terrible story. however..."
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it was his wife's MOM IN LAW who did the killing, which makes the whole thing even more shocking.

i assume you said it was his wife's dad just because it's usually the husband who does that kind of thing.

  

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107. "The early reports, when I posted, indicated it was the dad."
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I had no opinion other than what I'd read.

  

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105. "White lines was the name of the game"
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Sure were a ton of track limit penalties, and a ton of racers calling out other drivers going over the line after they got nabbed for their penalty. Max and that RB are one like the Nav'i. The law of averages should indicate he's not going to win every race gong forward, but it's hard to say he won't looking at the field and his pace.

Bring on Silverstone

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108. "I love the Ring, but that was tedious."
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109. "They need to figure that stuff out or something"
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I know it's typically just this track, but still. That Aston Martin protest changing the classification later with like 6 new penalties was crazy, and apparently it was info they had on deleted lap times that Race Control should have had just as well and really shouldn't have needed to be protested for, it kind of called into question just how thoroughly they were checking everything. I don't even know how the rules were being enforced for those who got a second penalty.

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110. "Should Mercedes have given Hamilton Hards instead"
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of the USED Softs? The pit stops for both Hamilton and Russell weren't that great either. Not bad for the team to get 3rd and 5th though.

Glad rain wasn't a factor.

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111. "Mercedes pit stops do seem relatively slow and safe lately"
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I don't think the hards would have helped him get past Norris, they don't really warm them up as quickly, maybe just stay closer behind him for longer.

The used quali softs are usually fine, and they were going off of Russell's stint on them at the start which was pretty good.

It was good to see Mclaren where they were though. It's nice that the 'midfield' is kind of fun (midfield starting at the podium is odd), but I need someone to beat Verstappen once soon lol, even if it's his own car or something!

I really did jinx Perez earlier as a contender when he won a street race and was only 6 points off.

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112. "Checo...man..."
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>I really did jinx Perez earlier as a contender when he won a
>street race and was only 6 points off.

Being Max's teammate must just be destructive to the soul or something. I wish he'd find his way back from whatever dark place he's in right now.

Always have a soft spot for McLaren, so yeah...those updates the last couple of races...well done to the engineers, because they were horrible the first quarter of the season.

Actually have all kinds of questions now: where the hell was AM? Is Albon the greatest driver since Fangio now? Is Sainz the new Alonso, in the sense that every team he leaves to go to a better one turns out to be worse than the team he left?

  

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113. "Danny Ric is back!"
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De Vries is cut from AT halfway through the seeason. Couldn't even let him have a Dutch home race, Max needs all that shine lol

Kind of back where he started. Feels bad for Nyck, but Ricciardo's a pretty well liked presence on the grid. Now Red Bull just need to replace Perez with Vettel jk (that just popped in my head and now I don't know how I feel about it lol)

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114. "Ah...eh...I don't know..."
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I like Ric as much as anybody, but is he back to being quick? Because what happens if he's as far off Yuki as he was off Lando?

I mean, surely Horner must think he's back (enough), and Marko, but...just hate to see him crash and burn again.

  

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115. "At least we'll know sooner than later"
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Hungary isn't far off!

Can only take it with a grain of salt, but he took part in the Pirelli tyre test after Silverstone and is said to have put in a time that would have put him on the front row.

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116. "de Vries is out. Danny Ricc is back. And all before the midseason break"
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The naysayers had Perez looking over his shoulder with Danny's signing (and considering his bad form in qualis there may have been some weight to it). But no. Red Bull, as they seem to like doing, booted their young, seemingly underperforming talent before he got his feet under him.

Kinda feel bad for Nick. He never really got comfortable with the car, and won't get the chance to either, unlike, say, Sargent. But this is the RB way. Once either hit the ground running or get demoted or the boot. At the same time, if AT has a chance to get some points and make some headway in the standings and you have this ace driver only doing media appearances, it seems like an easy call for Marko to make.

I guess Will Arnett will need another co-host for his F1 simulcast now. Wonder if The Kid Mero is available...

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117. "Checo really trying to lose his seat "
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118. "fam the Danny Ric/Checo memes on twitter today have been awesome."
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120. "This was the most savage thing I saw this morning"
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https://i.redd.it/waytcp6lxhdb1.jpg

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122. "wow, that's great, lol."
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126. "He drove masterfully on Sunday IMO."
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Him and George Russell impressed the hell out of me yesterday considering where the both of them started out as result of Saturday's qualifiers.

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129. "Unfortunately for the rest of the field"
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it appears Perez is back to top form.

What that being the case, is it hyperbole to say there's literally no driver to stop Max from winning another race the the remainder of the season? Perez driving like his old self will make it even harder for another team to game plan against him I would assume.

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119. "Should be a stellar day of racing tomorrow!"
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Still have to think Verstappen will still win given how well the Red Bull's DRS system is seemingly much better than the other team's, correct?

Still, good to see Lewis get pole. Too bad Russell could've have gotten better placement to make things potentially interesting for Mercedes strategically.

Also good to see Perez return to form somewhat.

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121. "Yeah...depends on how you feel about the track."
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Only a little easier to pass than Monaco, but with none of the scenery or glamour. But since so many cars are out of position after Q, should be some action in the midfield.

>Still have to think Verstappen will still win given how well
>the Red Bull's DRS system is seemingly much better than the
>other team's, correct?

Maybe, but this is probably the 2nd most useless DRS track, given it has really just 1 decent straight. If Merc has their car working in the slow corners, Lewis can win it. Top speed doesn't count for much in Hungary. Then again, it's Max, so he'll probably find a way. Better yet, Max makes some kind of crazy lunge, Lewis doesn't give an inch, and they both end up in the gravel. Then somehow Albon steals it.

I honestly have no sense of how it will go at all. The weird qualy tire thing and everybody saving tires in practice...dunno who's actually fast, and Silverstone upgrades tell us nothing about Hungary. Was hoping it would rain, but sunny skies in Budapest tomorrow.

  

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123. "RE: Yeah...depends on how you feel about the track."
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Man, reading this after the race is disappointing me all over again lol.

I like this track, it's actually made for some exciting races in the past.

Lewis slacking off the line was unfortunate. The dirty side is never supposed to get that good a start here!

Red Bull sets a 12 wins in a row record and it's hard to see them stopping there. Not sure what Spa will be like, don't see the Mercs liking it, but there are some other cars that seem to like high speed circuits.

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125. "Ha...yeah. Over by the first corner."
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>I like this track, it's actually made for some exciting races
>in the past.

I may be biased for kind of sucking at it in sim racing for years and years. But I just feel like the cars have long since outgrown it. 25 years ago, when the cars were much smaller, it was nice and tight and twisty, but now, it just seems cramped. But I generally wish the cars would get smaller again anyway.

>Lewis slacking off the line was unfortunate. The dirty side
>is never supposed to get that good a start here!

He would have got got in a few laps anyway, but yeah, that took the wind out of the race, right from the get go. If he hadn't fought at all and just let Max go, he might have at least kept the McLarens behind him.

>Red Bull sets a 12 wins in a row record and it's hard to see
>them stopping there. Not sure what Spa will be like, don't
>see the Mercs liking it, but there are some other cars that
>seem to like high speed circuits.

Williams, for sure, and maybe AM will get back on form. Though I think whatever McLaren has done in the last month puts them on the podium again.

  

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127. "I took a nap after that first corner. Knew it was a wrap"
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This feels like a bizzaro world version of 2014, when one team is just head and shoulders more prepared than the rest of the field, with better reliability. Max could have back to back DNFs and win the championship by 100 points. Newey gave Max his best car ever and he's making the best of it. Kudos to them.

At least the Mercedes crew is 2nd in the constructors and Lewis closed the gap to Alonso to 6 points. Even as temperamentally bad the W14 has been, Mercedes is extracting something and moving forward while Ferrari and Aston are stalling out and going backwards. Doesn't mean there's much more hope for next season, but there's got o be some silver lining.

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124. "Grand opening, grand closing for Lewis today."
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Danny Ric had a great drive. Could have been more interesting if he wasn't rear ended off the start.

  

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128. "Pretty interesting weekend."
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Hated Sainz taking out Piastri like that. Lots of shuffling around in the midfield. And everything I though would happen didn't, such as points for Williams (nope), McLaren very strong (not), and Haas better on tires (weren't). So I know nothing about anything.

  

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130. "It's Halftime... (c) Nas What do we know - Pt. 1"
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We're at the summer break. Spa gave us a wild quali, a controversial sprint, and a variable weather race at Spa with tons of midfield movement but the usual suspects out front. So, business as usual?

As we're heading to a month long break, and the beginning of the typical silly season, what do we know (or think we know) about each team?

Red Bull -
They really may run the table and win every freaking race. Baring mechanical failure (which has gone down quite a bit in recent years) or a freak track incident, there doesn't seem to be a team or driver to challenge Red Bull or Max. Hell, his own teammate can't challenge him, so we won't even get the 2016 Lewis/Nico battle of the best. Every week it's Max, then everybody else. I hate it, but I gotta respect it. Red Bull figured out the new rules, and Adrian Newey built Max a F1 exo suit. They may well go down as the best team and fastest car in F1 history. So be it. Max will be the champ 3 years straight, with no competition for 2 years, and that isn't his fault.

Checo is in a weird spot. On the one hand, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do - help ensure RB wins the Constructors Championship. He never had a chance to challenge for the Drivers Championship. Ever. There was never going to be a car setup or organizational mandate for him to think about challenging Max. That, and Max is just faster than he is right now, full stop. The signing of Danny Ric brought all the rumormongering of Perez losing his seat, and Checo's bad quali form and Danny's promotion back to AT just fueled the fire. I don't see that happening though. You can argue if Perez id better than Ricciardo all you want, neither of them is beating Max, and until any other team takes a certified step up, you don't need anybody on Max's level. So a driver swap doesn't make sense right now. That said, RB has historically been short with their driver expectations, be it with the main team or their sister team. So it could happen. Whatever.

Mercedes -
As bad as they have been the last two years they remain the model of consistency. Or, they keep lucking out and punching above their weight. Depends on how you look at it or if you're a fan/hater, really. While they (and everyone else, really) are still clearly behind RB, Mercedes keeps plugging away, making small improvements race by race and manage to maximize their points haul whether they win or not. Every race there's talk of McLaren, Ferrari, Aston Martin making that jump to the next level and being the contender to the RB throne (as far back as that contender may be). Meanwhile, Mercedes has managed to be in second place with a 51 point cushion over AM. Honestly, their place in the championship can be as much their development on the diva W14 as the other teams tripping over their own feet any given weekend. Realistically it may not be until 2025 when they can legit challenge RB (if then), but until then they look to keep pushing ahead. Can they sort out their car? If any team can, my money is on Mercedes. That made the DAS setup because they were bored (and that kind of hubris probably bit them in the ass, honestly). The concern is by the time they figure it out, it may be too late, and what they know now won't help after 2026.

Their driver lineup is fine. Lewis is still Lewis, so he's going to get the most out of the car as he can. I mostly ignore the scuttlebutt about his contract, but I can't see him leaving Mercedes at this point. I CAN see him leaving F1 when (if) he gets to 8, because there wouldn't be anything left to prove, and he's got a number of other interests off the track to keep him busy. It will be sad when he hoes, because he's still only 1 of 1 (which is insane). Russell looks to be a consistent driver Mercedes can rely on for a few years once Lewis goes. There hasn't been too much inter-team issues like the Rosberg days because, well, who wants to fight for second? It will be interesting to see what happens if they field a more competitive car though.

Ferrari -
I mean.... they are par for the course. They have a fast car (depending on the weekend). They have fast drivers (that are prone to seemingly rookie mistakes some weeks). They have legacy (though the last decade has been trending downhill). They just can't put it all together for a full race weekend. You'd think Ferruccio and Henry's family came together to put an everlasting hex on the team. Even with changes in team management, their race strategy may as well be pulled out of a hat.

That makes the driver fight between Leclerc and Sainz a constant quagmire. It's very difficult to say who's the #1 driver because every week they are undone by an on track incident, a crappy strategy call, or inter driver bickering and a reluctance on the pit wall to make a call or just let the drivers fuss amongst themselves. My gut says Leclerc may be the faster of the two, but neither of them have been consistent enough to say for sure given the reasons above. Is Ferrari doomed to be a bridesmaid every year? Probably. I have no clue what will turn this team around. One thing is for sure: it wasn't all Binatto's fault

More teams to follow...

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131. "Red Bull DGAF about Perez, my goodness...."
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They gave Max the preferential strategy when Perez was in the lead, which makes no traditional sense (but, this is Horner & Max we're talking about), then pitted for wets just before the red flag, getting him stuck in the pit lane and well off the podium. I'd be pissed

That said, Max was clearly the faster driver today (and any day, honestly) and this is how RB operates, and Perez and everyone else already knows it

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132. "Well, sort of."
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>They gave Max the preferential strategy when Perez was in the
>lead, which makes no traditional sense (but, this is Horner &
>Max we're talking about), then pitted for wets just before the
>red flag, getting him stuck in the pit lane and well off the
>podium.

He was 3rd after the red flag. He lost that by speeding in the pit lane.

  

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136. "He did pretty good"
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considering all the errors that occurred on Sunday; some errors on his part and some outside of his control.

Before he sped in the pit lane, didn't the Red Bull pit crew screw him over with a terribly slow stop? I vaguely remember one of the top drivers getting an 8 second pit stop.

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137. "Leclerc decided to pit on his own"
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and the garage had NO tires ready for him.

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139. "ferrari now looks worse"
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because the audio reveals EVERY driver who came in on lap 1 made the call on their own

and only ferrari wasn't ready

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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133. "but like, who really cares."
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Max was gonna pass him regardless, why delay the inevitable.

they wouldn't intentionally keep him off the podium, so that was just unfortunate.

  

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134. "Kurt Busch announces retirement from NASCAR Cup competition (Yahoo!)"
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I know this is chiefly an F1 thread, but I was stunned to hear the news surrounding his crash and the shaky safety standing of NASCAR's new car, which may have played a factor in the severity of Busch's injury.

https://sports.yahoo.com/kurt-busch-announces-retirement-nascar-183054737.html

Kurt Busch announces retirement from NASCAR Cup competition

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Kurt Busch, whose talent was unquestioned and who emerged as a sage veteran, announced Saturday that he is retiring from NASCAR Cup Series competition.

The 45-year-old made the announcement in a video posted on social media Saturday afternoon.

“Racing requires 100 percent of focus, heart, stamina and determination, and I’ve never raced a day without all of that in mind,” Busch said in the video. “But sometimes father time can catch up to your dreams. My incredible team of doctors and I have come to the conclusion that at this point in my recovery there are just too many obstacles for me to overcome and get back to 100 percent.

“So, after 23 years behind the wheel and 45 years of living and breathing this dream, I’m officially announcing my retirement from NASCAR Cup Series competition.”

Busch, a future Hall of Famer, announced last October at Las Vegas that he was stepping away from full-time racing as he continued to recover from a concussion suffered in July 2022. But that day he didn’t say retire.

Busch won the 2004 Cup championship. He also won 34 career Cup races, including the 2017 Daytona 500. Busch was one of the final active drivers who competed against Dale Earnhardt in the 2001 Daytona 500.

Busch’s talent allowed him to move quickly to Cup. He went from the Truck Series to Cup in 2000, running seven Cup races.

He moved to Cup full-time in 2001 and ran until the middle of the 2022 season. Busch suffered his concussion in a crash in qualifying at Pocono last year and continues to recover from that incident.

Busch won a race in 19 of the 22 Cup seasons he was a full-time driver. He scored 161 top fives and 339 top 10s in 776 career Cup starts. He ranks 12th on the all-time career Cup start list.

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135. "Yeah, they've been working on solving that since last season."
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The basic problem was that the new chassis was way, way too stiff. First rule of race car safety is that the driver shouldn't be the softest, most deformable object in the car, but that's what was happening. Guys were getting out of routine crashes, like the one Busch had, complaining that it was one of the hardest hits they'd ever felt. Problem seemed to be especially bad at the rear quarter panels, which you'd see when somebody got loose on an oval and backed it up into the wall. Normally, that kind of wreck is nothing special, but because the back of the car was so incredibly stiff the impact was being transferred to the drivers' necks and their heads were slamming against the seat head rest. The HANS device they wear is designed to prevent sudden motion forward, thus preventing whiplash/basal skull fracture injuries, like what killed Dale Earnhardt, but that occurs when hitting head on, not backwards.

And generally, you'd see these pretty hard hits, and the car would come out looking not all that damaged, whereas in previous years you'd have parts all over the track. Which is what you want, the car to deform as much as possible, diffusing the crash energy. It's why even relatively minor Indycar crashes look like an explosion happened.

But they softened the chassis quite a lot for this year, and hopefully took a lot of that energy off the drivers bodies. And the car is pretty safe overall: watch Ryan Preece's crash at Daytona on Sunday. https://youtu.be/rZImPzbs5ig?si=YOYYCEn-01aYtLuh

  

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138. "So this is officially the most dominant driver/constructor streak,,,"
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,,,in history. 10 straight for Max, 15 straight for RBR.

I really hope somebody makes a big step up next season, because this is starting to suck.

Didn't watch the Catalan MotoGP live, but that opening lap was ugly. Man.

  

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140. "RE: So this is officially the most dominant driver/constructor streak,,,"
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When does the FIA start targeting RB in their rule changes? lol

At least Ferrari made that race somewhat interesting for longer than normal, and didn't really completely fuck it up strategically.

I still can't believe Bagnaia even kinda walked away later that day with crutches. Like I'm still not sure how bad it is, but the list of names of Bastianinni's injuries sounded worse. This dude might actually get on a bike this weekend after his lower legs got run over since it is probably the least important part of the body for what they do! Bad high sides are ugly but they happen, but only getting hit where he did after was a miracle.

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141. "The streak is over"
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The race had some pretty exciting moments and definitely came to a head at the end.

Definitely was hoping for a bit more for Mercedes in the end, feels bad for Russell. Carlos 'helping' Lando felt a bit funny lol

I expect Red Bull will be back at the front at Suzuka but it would be cool if they're all still closer at the front.

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142. "I'm far from a Red Bull fan"
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but both cars still managing to get top ten finishes despite the relative poor performances from both cars and the terrible grid positions was pretty wild. I also vaguely remember Perez doing a decent job of defending his position; I forget if it was before of after he took the hard tires off.

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146. "if it hadn't been for the pit stops fuckin up"
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max would've been right behind lewis (he wasn't as fast as them, but carlos was intentionally driving slowly)

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143. "Running the table is pretty hard, just by the law of averages"
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I'm not entirely surprised RB made it into the points. I AM surprised about their twin Q2 exits. Ah well, time for another streak.

Singapore is always weird, as nothing happens and everybody trundles around the first stage and a half, then swap to the fast tires and get at it for the last 15 laps or so (or whenever the safety car comes out, which is virtually guaranteed at this track). It's not quite the processional race that, say, Monaco is, but usually not much happens at the front end of the race (except, say, 2017, where all the action was in the first 200 meters of lap 1). The track is tough on the tires, tough on the cars, tough on the drivers, and strategy is key. With all that, for Ferrari, of all teams, to get it all right is amazing. Congrats to Sainz, who didn't put a wheel wrong and was smart enough to drag Lando along as a blocker for the hard charging Mercedes duo. Had Lewis been ahead of George I think they could have found a way past. But Lewis has not been great in quali with this car, even if he usually makes the best of it over race pace.

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144. "Yeah, can't figure that out."
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>I expect Red Bull will be back at the front at Suzuka but it
>would be cool if they're all still closer at the front.

I'm sure there's an article out there with a good technical explanation for what happened to RBR, but I haven't come across it yet. Don't understand if it was just the particular characteristics of the circuit or what...but the closest analogue to Singapore is probably Baku, with a bunch of right angles and one power straight (though obviously nothing compares to the front stretch at Baku), and RBR won that by 21 seconds. So dunno...maybe the testing penalties are having an effect, while everybody else is upgrading more quickly? But that doesn't explain why RBR were legitimately crappy in practice and qualifying. The flexi-wing thing can't be much of it, given how relatively inconsequential the rear wing is at that track. But the rear is massive at Suzuka, so maybe that will shed some light.

Horner says they just botched the setup from the outset, so maybe that's all it is.

I enjoyed the hell out of Sainz pulling Lando with him. But the buddy system aside, it's possible he also felt he had more to fear from Merc than McLaren anyway. He knew Lando didn't have anything for him.

  

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145. "Definitely self preservation for Carlos"
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Mercedes had better tires than both of them. If they cleared Lando early, they could walk Sainz down with the grip. At that stage and track, absolute power or speed didn't matter much, but mechanical grip would.

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147. "their car was bad there, they went the wrong way with the setup"
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and they were still only slightly slower than everyone else

then the they lost a half minute because they were ultimately the only team to pit under green flag in the whole race, erase that margin and boom they're right up on the leaders.

plus they never set up their cars to do well in qualifying, they just do because they're faster

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148. "Formula 1/Moto GP double header"
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Suzuka was okay. Not rained out. Dominant Verstappen returned, won the Constructor's title on his own lol. Perez's race was kind of embarrassing. The Mercs had a bit of a messy race.

Moto GP was in India for the first time, at the old F1 circuit. Bagnaia slipped up again, which has tightened the title race back up again. Martin suffereing from heat exhaustion and apparently collapsing before the podium celebration was a bit shocking.

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149. "Checo must just want out ASAP, at this point."
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>Suzuka was okay. Not rained out. Dominant Verstappen
>returned, won the Constructor's title on his own lol. Perez's
>race was kind of embarrassing.

It took longer, but it looks like now he's just as beaten and demoralized as everybody else who's teamed with Max over the last five years.

Problem remains, who fills that seat and doesn't end up a broken man? Every guy on the grid has to believe that they're the fastest driver, given the fastest equipment, else they wouldn't have made it to F! in the first place.

The only exception that comes immediately to mind is Coulthard, who made a career out of being the reliable #2 guy. I watched an interview with him in which he spoke about that, that when he first was teamed with Haakinen at McLaren he immediately had to go from thinking he was as quick as anyone to seeing quite plainly that he was not, and then how he had to build his mindset around that, being comfortable being the clear #2. And that's gotta be exactly the kind of guy RBR need. No championship delusions; just reliable podiums. Dunno if there's anybody on the grid right now that feels that way.

>The Mercs had a bit of a messy
>race.

At some point George has to become fed up with Lewis's bullshit, if he isn't already.

>Moto GP was in India for the first time, at the old F1
>circuit. Bagnaia slipped up again, which has tightened the
>title race back up again. Martin suffereing from heat
>exhaustion and apparently collapsing before the podium
>celebration was a bit shocking.

292-279. Should be quite a home stretch.

  

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150. "RE: Checo must just want out ASAP, at this point."
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>>The Mercs had a bit of a messy
>>race.
>
>At some point George has to become fed up with Lewis's
>bullshit, if he isn't already.
>

Lol I'm still Team LH and vageuly rooting for him snatching P2 in the Championship this year. But the vibes were off there a bit in Suzuka, particularly when he fought Russell early on when they knew he was carrying damage and hadn't quite gotten on top of it. I do feel like they might have been better letting Russell give Hamilton the DRS until the end and that might be more on the team order (everyone's going to ask to be let by with that tire strategy offset)

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152. "keeping hamilton behind russell would've been silly"
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you're gambling it all on carlos on fresh tires not getting by lewis which is risky

because if he takes lewis, george can't possibly keep him behind him

so unless you think sainz is such a fuckin dummy he'll crash himself out (MESSAGE)

you swap them

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151. "Checo & RB fun / Petronas punchup"
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I've got nothing on Sergio's run of underperformance. Suzuka was especially bad. He's under contract for next year, but this is RB, and that means nothing. All that said, what better options do RB have at the moment? They have 5 drivers and 4 seats. If they move Yuki up, they will burn through him like Alex and Pierre before him. Lawson? Nah. Danny Ric feels logical, but only if he plays the game. He could be older, wiser and accepting that Max is the top dog at RB, but he knew all that when he left. Could it work again, and would it be any different than what they have with Perez?

From Sergio's side, he's got a lot of sponsor money, which RB would be eager to hold on to. But the same ethos of 'Max over everything' has to be eating at him. Couple that with Marko being, well, Marko and he may be ready to bounce. Where? That's the problem. Aston Martin seems to be the only place that makes sense, but Stroll won't fire Stroll. It's something to look out for during the winter season, for sure.

b/w

I say this as an admitted fan of Lewis, but with as little bias as possible. For this race, I'm not entirely sure George had much to complain about. He wanted to go for the one stop, which sealed his fate. If there wasn't another safety car, he was stuck with the tires he had. He was told the target lap time he needed, and he couldn't make it work. Suzuka is a bit different than Singapore, so Lewis really wouldn't have been able to pull him along with DRS and keep the Ferrari off George. Hell, had George not stuffed the car in the wall last week he may have got past Norris and knew it wouldn't work for him.

Lewis was right. Chasing the win means very little at this stage. He's in 3rd in the drivers, George is 8th. Coming ahead of Lewis would mean little in those standings. The focus is keeping 2nd in the Constructors, so wins against Ferrari are what matter more than anything going forward. That's not Lewis being on some BS, that's business strategy.

Now, as far as the mid race scrap... All I saw was a replay of Spain '16, and Toto was having NONE of that even from afar. Knock that shit off and drive. Overall, Lewis doesn't have one lap pace when in qualifying, but he's usually faster than George over a long race when it counts. As long as that happens, I don't see the status quo changing at Mercedes.

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153. "What a colossal mistake by Hamilton."
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I imagine he was desperate to milk as much speed as he could from those soft tires before he had to make his first pit stip, but my goodness did he did fuck things up incredibly.

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154. "Sir Lewis Hamilton is allowed to run into anyone he wants to run into"
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155. "That was kinda weird."
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Surprising lack of spatial awareness from Lewis, seemed like. He had a good view of where everyone was, but still turned in like he didn't see them. Not even sure he was being over-aggressive, but just kinda sloppy. Not something you see from him.

Other than that, buncha pit stops and some decent midfield action.

Feeling bad for the guys who are driving themselves out of a seat for next year. Checo, obviously, but Stroll can't stay on the grid driving that way, and Sargeant just hasn't gotten the hang of it, or shown that he's gonna.

  

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156. "Yeah, that was suboptimal from Lewis"
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I get going for the move, as he had better grip, but he would have got past George later in the lap. Definitely needed to back off. Instead, you waste a ton of points in both championships. Holding off Ferrari is paramount, but he's got a chance to pass Perez, which would be nice. Even the greats shit the bed.

Perez really out here actively trying to lose his seat. Wonder if he even cares a this point. Driving against Max is proven to be difficult. Dealing with the obvious preferential treatment has to suck. Add on an old racist team consultant and I'd be ready to quit too. Still, not like this Checo. Not like this

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157. "That Martin crash hurt my soul."
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Win the sprint, lead the championship, Bagnaia is nowhere in quali, and then that. You just had to stay on the bike, man....

He seems cool with it, in the interviews, so hopefully he'll get the points back in Australia and make it tight again.

  

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158. "RE: That Martin crash hurt my soul."
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What a weekend. Bagnaia had an impressive race still. I hope Martin keeps it tight but also that they have a good close race too, they've both had great seasons, but when Bagnaia was on form earlier he usually controlled his lead, and now Martin has been in form out front. Want to see them really go head to head.

Those soft tyre choices did seem to backfire, though I don't think Martin's times would have fallen off as much as Espargaro did.

Marquez having a weekend like that after officially signing with Gresini for next year was...something. That Honda seat would have been a hot commodity in the past.

Phillip Island is usually a great race. Doubleheader with F1 in Austin is a lot of racing in one weekend, they're both having a busy end to the season.

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159. "RE: That Martin crash hurt my soul."
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>Want to see them
>really go head to head.

Yeah, exactly.

>Marquez having a weekend like that after officially signing
>with Gresini for next year was...something. That Honda seat
>would have been a hot commodity in the past.

Motorsport.com (I think) had an article a few weeks ago about the decline of the Japanese manufacturers, about their failure to adapt to aero developments, specifically, but also just falling behind in tech generally. Which is strange to me, that Europe are the progressive manufacturers and the Japanese too slow and conservative...

  

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160. "They DQ'd our boy!"
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lol I dunno, quite a crazy/messy weekend all around.

Moto GP had their Grand Prix on Saturday to avoid some coastal Sunday weather in Australia, and didn't even get to do the rescheduled Sunday sprint (riders were crashing on the sighting lap in Moto 3 and 2). I don't know if Martin falling from1st to 5th in the last lap on the soft tire hurt more or less than crashing last week. He must wish he could have made some points back in the Sprint.

Texas races were alright. That DQ hurts now though. Hopefully Merc keep their progress going though, most importantly into next year.

lol at the FIA painting wider lines on certain corners in secret after Friday, after the Qatar mess two weeks ago. Have they ever had Sprints back to back before?

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161. "It was all good until it wasn't"
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On a day where they *could* have got the win if not for some slightly bungled strategy, they lose everything. Hamilton would have had a better chance of running Max down had he come in two laps sooner, but with the DQ al of that means nothing. Any shot at catching Perez for 2nd in the drivers is dashed, not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. It's all about staying up in the constructors and moving to next year

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162. "Australia was great action."
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Those last few laps were nail-biting stuff. I hadn't realized they'd moved the race until Saturday, when I got on youtube and saw a bunch of highlights videos posted. Happy for Zarco.

I can't think of the last time there were plank-wear violations. You really gotta be riding low for that happen. COTA does have a lot of suspension compression, with those straights and fast corners, but still weird.

Sprint...over it, TBH. Then again, was never actually into it in the first place.

  

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163. "Man...Checo."
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About all I can say about that.

Really hoping Ferrari actually had something for RBR, but that hope died a half-mile into the race.

Much more exciting was the last 8 laps of Thailand. Rooting for Binder to nab it in the end. 13 points...

  

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164. "RE: Man...Checo."
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Feel for him in his home race, and I don't know what going around the outside would have been like that wide, but turning in when he did made no sense. Danny Ric having a pretty strong weekend too, never know what to expect with RB contract mess but it looks a way.

Was nice to see Hamilton have a good day and repeat last weeks result without a DQ. Three races to get to P2! Maybe he can win instead of Russell in Brazil this year lol

That Thailand race was crazy. It really felt like the pack was ganging up on Bagnaia a bit at the start there, that he came through to fight for the win was impressive. Binder sticking his nose in it was fun. I'm happy Martin got the win after those two disappointing results on tire choices. hopefully the season keeps ending this way.

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166. "RE: Man...Checo."
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>Feel for him in his home race, and I don't know what going
>around the outside would have been like that wide, but turning
>in when he did made no sense.

Yeah...just too aggressive. All jacked up, tryna wow the crowd. If he'd just backed off into 1 he could have had LeClerc anytime he wanted. Emotions won over racecraft, looked like.

> Danny Ric having a pretty
>strong weekend too, never know what to expect with RB contract
>mess but it looks a way.

I mean, that looks like the plan, but how's that gonna work? Is Ric gonna be happy running around 4 tenths a lap slower than Max? Cause that's what's gonna happen. And if at least part of the reason he left RBR in the first place was to be get away from Max, which I assume it was, how's he gonna feel at the reunion? Max is way, way better now than he was in 2018. Is Ric?

>hopefully the season keeps ending this way.

Yes please.

  

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169. "RE: Man...Checo."
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>I mean, that looks like the plan, but how's that gonna work?
>Is Ric gonna be happy running around 4 tenths a lap slower
>than Max? Cause that's what's gonna happen. And if at least
>part of the reason he left RBR in the first place was to be
>get away from Max, which I assume it was, how's he gonna feel
>at the reunion? Max is way, way better now than he was in
>2018. Is Ric?

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but I still think if he has that opportunity now he takes it. He had his chances at Mclaren and Renault and they didn't work out, he's obviously in a different place now, and him and Verstappen seem friendly in general otherwise. You don't say no to the chance to be in the best car on the grid and maybe win some more races and see if he's up for more or not. If he's not it shouldn't hit quite the same way after these past couple years.

I'd be here for the drama if he got back in there with his big smile and then proceeded to somehow fuck shit up lol more than just Mexico would be on his side in public opinion

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170. "RE: Man...Checo."
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>Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but I still think if he has that
>opportunity now he takes it. He had his chances at Mclaren
>and Renault and they didn't work out, he's obviously in a
>different place now, and him and Verstappen seem friendly in
>general otherwise. You don't say no to the chance to be in
>the best car on the grid and maybe win some more races and see
>if he's up for more or not. If he's not it shouldn't hit
>quite the same way after these past couple years.
>
>I'd be here for the drama if he got back in there with his big
>smile and then proceeded to somehow fuck shit up lol more than
>just Mexico would be on his side in public opinion

Reading in between the lines, it seems as if you're saying he'd be miles ahead a better driver than Perez since you're inferring he'd actually challenge Max for the championship next year.

Am I correct in you thinking that's a possibility? My apologies if I'm putting words in your mouth/keyboard/smartphone screen.

I'm a new jack following the sport, but assuming Riccardo does better than Perez has been in the Red Bull fireproof suit, he'd only serve as a higher quality gateway driver between Max and probably Mercedes, Ferrari, and McClaren in terms of nullifying competent teams from winning on a consistent basis.

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171. "RE: Man...Checo."
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>Reading in between the lines, it seems as if you're saying
>he'd be miles ahead a better driver than Perez since you're
>inferring he'd actually challenge Max for the championship
>next year.
>
>Am I correct in you thinking that's a possibility? My
>apologies if I'm putting words in your
>mouth/keyboard/smartphone screen.
>
>I'm a new jack following the sport, but assuming Riccardo does
>better than Perez has been in the Red Bull fireproof suit,
>he'd only serve as a higher quality gateway driver between Max
>and probably Mercedes, Ferrari, and McClaren in terms of
>nullifying competent teams from winning on a consistent
>basis.

Well, I'm not saying I'm certain of that or anything at this stage, but I just mean if RBR were really offering Ricciardo that seat next year, you don't turn it down in that position just because you might be VERs #2 and were maybe annoyed by how it felt in that team however many years ago, after everything since. Like, it would have to be a better contract lol, and I don't see why he'd say he'd rather test himself against Tsunoda and not compete at the front of the grid.

Would part of me hope they're close enough to actually crash into each other again, or piss off Verstappen somehow? Maaaaybe. But I'm a VER hater lol. RBR said Ricciardo set a pole worthy time in testing that car at Silverstone (ignore any caveats).

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172. "Yeah, of course he takes the drive."
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>you don't turn it down in that position
>just because you might be VERs #2 and were maybe annoyed by
>how it felt in that team however many years ago, after
>everything since. Like, it would have to be a better contract
>lol, and I don't see why he'd say he'd rather test himself
>against Tsunoda and not compete at the front of the grid.

No question. You have to take the best equipment.

>Would part of me hope they're close enough to actually crash
>into each other again, or piss off Verstappen somehow?
>Maaaaybe. But I'm a VER hater lol. RBR said Ricciardo set a
>pole worthy time in testing that car at Silverstone (ignore
>any caveats).

I'm kind of indifferent about Max. He doesn't annoy me, but I don't find him especially likable. But I do think he's considerably quicker than even prime RIC ever was. Not to say he isn't a tremendous driver, but is he a generational talent? Eh...

  

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173. "Now there's freaking Alonso rumours lol"
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I just want something interesting to happen again.

I'm not too bothered by Verstappen during their dominance now. But I know he'll annoy me if he actually has to fight anyone for anything again.

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174. "The two of you are correct"
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in that it makes all the sense in the world to take a position where you'd drive a superior car and more importantly get paid more money to do so. I'm just so soured on the prospects of someone having to play Vertappen's bridesmaid, but I suppose the positives outweigh the negatives in that regard.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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165. "RE: Man...Checo."
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>About all I can say about that.

The siltation for both drivers are completely different, but it appeared Perez made a similar mistake as Hamilton did when he crashed two races ago; overly aggressive on the turn on the first lap of the race. Fortunately, at least Perez didn't damage Leclerc's car too badly compared to what Hamilton did to Russell's ride.

Poor Leclerc getting booed at the end of the race while getting third place from pole position was pretty brutal, especially since Leclerc did absolutely nothing wrong.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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167. "I imagine he was rushed to the airport right quick after the race."
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>Poor Leclerc getting booed at the end of the race while
>getting third place from pole position was pretty brutal,
>especially since Leclerc did absolutely nothing wrong.

With plenty of security accompanying him.

  

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168. "RE: I imagine he was rushed to the airport right quick after the race."
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RBR could give him Verstappen's security detail.

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175. "RB Driver Prediction 2024 - Perez sacked mid-season"
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But in a twist, the drive goes to Yuki, not Danny. Ricciardo has the experience for sure, but I gotta think Marko and Horner are petty enough to keep Danny out of the seat since he left.

Even without my conspiracy tin foil hat, pairing anyone next to Max is a difficult decision. Whether Newey designed the car to take advantage of Max's skills or not, he is, and has been, definitively faster in that RB than any teammate he's had. RB's #2 driver isn't there to compete for the championship against Max; they are to keep the rest of the field at bay. Problem is, nobody has been able to do that, really.

The other problem is the team's deferential treatment for Max. It's understandable since he's the clear #1 driver. But at many points the team seems to go above and beyond to let Max do what he wants even at the expense of whomever is in the other seat, even defending some of Max's bad behavior even if it would have made for a better team result if Max compromised. While a prospective driver has a chance to compete in top flight machinery, do you really want to deal with that environment? Danny Ric may be experiencing the grass looking greener on the other side, as his stints with Renault and McLaren didn't go nearly as well as anybody hoped, but does he really want to go back to a known environment at RB?

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176. "Bit of a dull one for Interlagos."
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Last few laps with Checo and Alonso was good stuff though.

Aston apparently just ripped off all the upgrades from the last couple of months and go P3/P5? Lol...

There are some interesting points battles down the field...Lewis's P3 isn't quite secure from Alonso, Norris, and Sainz, and Ferrari could still nab second from Merc. Like to see Haas scrounge up five points from somewhere and nip Alfa for 9th.

  

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177. "Moto GP was in Sepang this weekend."
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A circuit F1 misses. The Sprint was pretty exciting, the GP died down a bit, Bastianinni finding his form was untouchable (making that Factory Ducati seat interesting, since they chose him over Martin last year, and now might feel it necessary to sign Martin if he's Champion despite Bastianinni being injured most of the season), and Martin and Bagnaia alternated following each other in both races for little change in the Championship.

They go to Qatar this weekend. Have missed it since the 2020 lockdown when it used to open the season, only half the teams/crew could fly there, was the start of the cancellation of the season. They seemed to court F1 and prep for the World Cup instead for a while. The track is way better for racing with bikes though and I recommend checking it out.

Not sure what to expect of the Vegas race. Forecast seems sketchy, and F1 seems to be ignoring the social trending topics lol. Apparently all the facilities weren't even prepared on time for arrival so parts and stuff were waiting in packaging. Who likes/hates low grip?

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178. "I wish F1 would go back to Malaysia."
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Oh well. Maybe someday.

>A circuit F1 misses. The Sprint was pretty exciting, the GP
>died down a bit, Bastianinni finding his form was untouchable
>(making that Factory Ducati seat interesting, since they chose
>him over Martin last year, and now might feel it necessary to
>sign Martin if he's Champion despite Bastianinni being injured
>most of the season), and Martin and Bagnaia alternated
>following each other in both races for little change in the
>Championship.

Yeah, the GP was pretty snoozy. But enjoyable.

>Not sure what to expect of the Vegas race. Forecast seems
>sketchy, and F1 seems to be ignoring the social trending
>topics lol. Apparently all the facilities weren't even
>prepared on time for arrival so parts and stuff were waiting
>in packaging. Who likes/hates low grip?

Think it'll probably be more about balance than overall grip, and looking at the track map, with all the slow corners into long straights, I'd rather have oversteer than understeer, because it's gonna be a lot about just getting the car pointed down the straight as quickly as possible. Understeer is gonna be miserable with all those heavy braking zones into 90-degree corners. So good for Max, lousy for Checo, I guess. But who knows?

  

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179. "I was not expecting this Vegas schedule."
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I blanked on it being a night race though that makes sense, but it's technically not even on Sunday. These usually are far east but it still seems odd.

Qualifying is a Midnight tonight, Saturday technically, and the race is supposed to start at 10 PM Saturday night too, same day!? Local time at least, 3 AM qualifying and 1 AM race for me EST. I guess it makes sense in Vegas lol not sure what they had against Sunday

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180. "Yeah, same here. Pisses me off."
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181. "I was SHOCKED to find out when it was running"
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this shit is crazy

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183. "When I thought about it a bit more"
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I did realize it might be wild if they did it Sunday night though. 1 AM EST, Monday morning in Europe, Monday afternoon in Asia.

Honestly might make more sense as a Day race if the desert sun helps the track temperature a bit too. The Vegas strip isn't really that visible in the dark when the track is actually brighter, could probably see everything around it better in the day.

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182. "Well, as a track, that was...whatever."
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It's another example of "we want a race here, in this city, so we'll wall off some streets, and it doesn't really matter how great a track it is, as long as it's in this city." See also Miami and Saudi Arabia, the other two most recent additions to the calendar.

Which I think sucks. This is sort of like Bernie Ecclestone's dream come to life, long after he's departed. Glamorous location, lots of movie stars, who cares about the circuit itself?

So many great US tracks, with real character, and for the price of just building the Vegas paddock alone, they could have completely renovated (for example) Road America, or Atlanta, or the Glen, or Sebring....to say nothing of the dozens of great European (and Japanese) tracks they could bring back.

But they wanted to have cars drive really fast down the Strip, and now they have. Was it satisfying? More satisfying than the Nurburgring? Than Hockenheim? Than Mugello?

As for the race, just glad Lando's good, and really wanted LeClerc to take it, but oh well.

I am quickly becoming very much anti-Liberty Media.

Then again, what I really want are normally aspirated V12s in a 1500-lb car at Brands Hatch, so it's clear the times have left me behind.

  

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184. "The race didn't seem terrible, but maybe that's the commentary in my hea..."
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How much of that was down to Sainz being unfairly out of position, a Verstappen penalty, no one having grip in Turn 1, and a Safety Car that was probably related to that lack of early grip. Hopefully the people in charge think that the idea that a surface that is like 'being on inters' makes for good racing is the way to go in the future (imagine if it does rain lol).

Leclerc's last lap pass was great. Not sure if P2 or P3 is better for Mercs for next year lol.

Seems they like city settings for new races now, I don't know what to feel. Some city tracks seem nice, hard to put my finger on what makes Baku or Singapore feel better, when they still have similar drawbacks. The Vegas layout does seem a bit lazy in its focus on promoting the surroundings. Finding interesting purpose built tracks that are new or not used in a while can be cool, but that period where Tilke was building everything also started feeling a bit same-y and boring in its own way.

Do I make a different reply for Moto GP?! Such contrasting fortunes in the Sprint and GP races. And for Digi to get a win when he might not have a ride next year. Hopefully Martin can finish strong but closing that gap would require Bagnaia to throw in a way he seems too good for now. The Ducati's are pretty good everywhere but they might not have a great a gap at Valencia so maybe things will get mixed up.

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186. "It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay."
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>Seems they like city settings for new races now, I don't know
>what to feel. Some city tracks seem nice, hard to put my
>finger on what makes Baku or Singapore feel better, when they
>still have similar drawbacks.

I like those tracks too, Baku more than Singapore, but both because they make for interesting driving. The old-city vibe of Baku, in particular, with the buildings so close to the track, where you see that they're really racing around a downtown——same feel as Monaco. Singapore a little less so, but similar, and going under and then on the overpass, with the hairpins and 90-degree corners...it feels like you're right in the city, and having it at night gives it this cool Asian street-racing atmosphere.

But the Strip is NOT downtown, and neither is Saudi or Miami.

>The Vegas layout does seem a
>bit lazy in its focus on promoting the surroundings. Finding
>interesting purpose built tracks that are new or not used in a
>while can be cool, but that period where Tilke was building
>everything also started feeling a bit same-y and boring in its
>own way.

No doubt, but we know which ones worked, in hindsight: Sepang, definitely, and I'd throw in Istanbul.

But as I'm pretty sure I've posted before, the tracks I love are always the ones that work within the landscape, where the landscape (or cityscape) itself dictates the nature of the track, with sometimes weird results, that you wouldn't think of if you were just starting with a blank sheet of paper. And I also really like hills and elevation changes, which present a driving challenge that I think people forget about, or maybe doesn't show up that well on TV.

I also think some of the people in charge are primarily interested in top speed, like that really contributes to fan enjoyment. But it doesn't. Crofty kept going on yesterday about how the cars reached 215 MPH down the straight yesterday, but who cares? You can't tell the difference between 215, 200, or even 185 watching on TV. It doesn't matter. But somebody must keep on hammering Tilke about it, because we keep getting these long-ass drag strips with crazy speeds.

But even from an engineering standpoint, going really fast in a straight line is trivial. And I do watch NHRA, which is a very specific driving challenge, but what makes F1 cars different is the insane braking and cornering ability, the lateral Gs. That's what I want to see highlighted, not a bunch of cars following each other in a straight line for more than a mile.

Which reminds me, that now it's clear they're building tracks with DRS in mind, rather than a track that encourages overtaking naturally.

Apparently I have some things to rant about. But yeah, the racing was...fine.

>Do I make a different reply for Moto GP?! Such contrasting
>fortunes in the Sprint and GP races. And for Digi to get a
>win when he might not have a ride next year. Hopefully Martin
>can finish strong but closing that gap would require Bagnaia
>to throw in a way he seems too good for now. The Ducati's are
>pretty good everywhere but they might not have a great a gap
>at Valencia so maybe things will get mixed up.

Watching Martin go backwards for 22 laps was a drag, but Digi finally running down Pecco was good stuff, and when Pecco about lost it wide trying to get it back. But yeah, unless Pecco DNFs horribly, I reckon that's it. Like to see Martin at least snag a consolation win next week.

  

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188. "RE: It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay."
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>I like those tracks too, Baku more than Singapore, but both
>because they make for interesting driving. The old-city vibe
>of Baku, in particular, with the buildings so close to the
>track, where you see that they're really racing around a
>downtown——same feel as Monaco. Singapore a little less so,
>but similar, and going under and then on the overpass, with
>the hairpins and 90-degree corners...it feels like you're
>right in the city, and having it at night gives it this cool
>Asian street-racing atmosphere.
>
>But the Strip is NOT downtown, and neither is Saudi or Miami.

Was Valencia good? It wasn't around for that long, I felt like I was okay with that one.

Yeah, street/city tracks feeling like a city rather than a circuit is the appeal really. Vegas relying on a strip is just limiting. Not sure if they could have thought about it differently. Miami pretty much makes the mistake they thought they were avoiding with the new Vegas idea by not using a parking lot lol

>No doubt, but we know which ones worked, in hindsight: Sepang,
>definitely, and I'd throw in Istanbul.
>
>But as I'm pretty sure I've posted before, the tracks I love
>are always the ones that work within the landscape, where the
>landscape (or cityscape) itself dictates the nature of the
>track, with sometimes weird results, that you wouldn't think
>of if you were just starting with a blank sheet of paper. And
>I also really like hills and elevation changes, which present
>a driving challenge that I think people forget about, or maybe
>doesn't show up that well on TV.
>
>I also think some of the people in charge are primarily
>interested in top speed, like that really contributes to fan
>enjoyment. But it doesn't. Crofty kept going on yesterday
>about how the cars reached 215 MPH down the straight
>yesterday, but who cares? You can't tell the difference
>between 215, 200, or even 185 watching on TV. It doesn't
>matter. But somebody must keep on hammering Tilke about it,
>because we keep getting these long-ass drag strips with crazy
>speeds.
>
>But even from an engineering standpoint, going really fast in
>a straight line is trivial. And I do watch NHRA, which is a
>very specific driving challenge, but what makes F1 cars
>different is the insane braking and cornering ability, the
>lateral Gs. That's what I want to see highlighted, not a bunch
>of cars following each other in a straight line for more than
>a mile.
>
>Which reminds me, that now it's clear they're building tracks
>with DRS in mind, rather than a track that encourages
>overtaking naturally.
>
>Apparently I have some things to rant about. But yeah, the
>racing was...fine.

I hear you on the elevation changes. I think I'd accepted it so much with Vegas that I didn't really notice, but there was none at all except that bump at the end of the long straight. Elevation might not stand out as much on TV as it does in person, but you can still tell the difference between a flat track.

The Tilke stuff just made me wonder why no one else could design circuits. And back then, Moto GP had to go to all the circuits built back then pretty much and they were clearly F1 favoured. Now they build Moto GP specific ones at least.

Who knows if they'll ever figure out passing. But yeah, having to say the speeds is lame, the longer the straights get the less you really perceive the difference either. You can tell when someone is really nailing high speed corners and stuff on a hot lap. Sometimes there's an interesting dynamic between a car that is fast straight and another in corner's but sometimes that's un-fun when the 'better' car is stuck in dirty air.

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190. "RE: It wasn't terrible at all. The racing was okay."
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>Was Valencia good? It wasn't around for that long, I felt
>like I was okay with that one.

Jeez, I barely remember it myself. Have to go back and watch footage or something, to form any opinion.

>The Tilke stuff just made me wonder why no one else could
>design circuits. And back then, Moto GP had to go to all the
>circuits built back then pretty much and they were clearly F1
>favoured. Now they build Moto GP specific ones at least.

I mean, I guess it's just that if you have half a billion dollars at stake in a construction job, you hire the known quantity. Play it safe. Not interesting, but safe, because at worst the track will be serviceable, if forgettable.

>Who knows if they'll ever figure out passing. But yeah,
>having to say the speeds is lame, the longer the straights get
>the less you really perceive the difference either. You can
>tell when someone is really nailing high speed corners and
>stuff on a hot lap. Sometimes there's an interesting dynamic
>between a car that is fast straight and another in corner's
>but sometimes that's un-fun when the 'better' car is stuck in
>dirty air.

Well, if they won't take the wings off the car, or at least regulate them back to 1970s-80s complexity, we're stuck with DRS and whatever.

The thing I wish they'd emphasize, and to me what makes single-seaters most amazing, is the car's ability to change velocity and direction, which is the heart of the whole engineering challenge. The moments at which the G-forces are highest and most abrupt are the exciting bits. It's what you see much more clearly in MotoGP coverage, I think because you can get so many riders and a big chunk of the track, for context, into the camera frame, that you can really gauge how quickly those guys are braking and accelerating. The crane shots especially are good for that.

  

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185. "F1 in a nutshell"
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The racing isn’t very good but the spectacle and pre-race atmosphere is unmatched. Would better circuits improve the quality of the racing? Possibly but I think you see it as well - not really the value proposition that F1 is after.

  

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187. "Nope."
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>not really the value proposition that F1 is after.

  

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189. "Long seasons."
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Races were anticlimactic, unless you were really invested the battle for 2nd in the F1 constructor's. Then again, after the first couple of races, you'd have probably predicted Merc 5th and Aston Martin 2nd, rather than the other way around. And McLaren, like, 9th.

I took the driver's standings and made a little chart of which teammate outperformed the other in points by the biggest percentage:

ALB 96% SAR 4%
HUL 75% MAG 25%
ALO 74% STR 26%
TSU 68% ??? 32% (includes RIC, LAW, & DEV)
NOR 68% PIA 32%
VER 67% PER 33%
BOT 63% ZHO 37%
HAM 57% RUS 43%
GAS 52% OCO 48%
LEC 51% SAI 49%

Sargeant's a rookie, and did get better. Haas had only 12 points, so tiny sample size. But Stroll way underperformed Alonso. Can they really justify keeping him anymore? Piastri did great for a rookie, and Checo, well.

Then Martin crashing out. Seemed like he was just way too jacked up from the start, just too intense. Really a shame he couldn't dial it back a notch and save himself from himself.

Then half the field crashed out, and that Marquez tumble made me turn away for a few minutes.

  

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191. "RE: Long seasons."
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ugh yeah that Moto GP ending was unfortunate. Martin made it interesting in the Sprint, but then made the GP dramatic in a way no one wanted. I'm glad Marquez seemed to walk away relatively fine, I was worried that could aggravate his past injuries, I am interested in how he goes in a Ducati next season.

If this was a long season, I don't know what next year will be like. January is the only month without racing lol. That mural in the tunnel, no ordinary sport (from the commercial), but adding the No Ordinary Season thing was hilarious to me.

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192. "how tf did mercedes pull off second in the constructors"
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somebody gotta walk me through the math

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