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allStah
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"January Futbol: The great MOUNTain of London"
Tue Dec-20-22 12:43 PM by allStah

          

December is almost over, so I’m placing one up to cover
this last week and for next month.

Okay, time to get back to real Futbol business. Chelsea has always been
spectacular in the second half of a season. This season should be no
different.

A lot of key players will be returning from injury. Fofana and James have been cleared
to play, and I believe Kante is ready to go as well.

Plus we have been playing fantastic Futbol in the CL….

Time to surge. You’ve been warned.









ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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feels so weird to be resuming the PL season right now.
Dec 20th 2022
1
^^. will be fascinating to see which teams stumble or surge
Dec 20th 2022
3
      i'm a United fan so of course I hate City...
Dec 20th 2022
4
also, mods, please let Benny edit this post title.
Dec 20th 2022
2
EAD
Dec 20th 2022
5
I mean I think we should take a pledge to boycott this post
Dec 20th 2022
6
Maybe he was just boycotting *creating* posts
Dec 20th 2022
8
I literally was gonna create a December futbol post when I saw this nons...
Dec 21st 2022
12
League cup (carling cup to me) is on right now...Newcastle/Bournmouth
Dec 20th 2022
7
Kanye won’t be ready anytime soon. And he’s pushing for a move
Dec 21st 2022
9
You’re right
Dec 21st 2022
10
anyone noticed whats going on at Juventus? Everything in flames
Dec 21st 2022
11
Looking forward to reading this.
Dec 21st 2022
13
Yeah...heard the first news about this couple of weeks ago.
Dec 22nd 2022
31
these mfs should be in prison
Dec 21st 2022
14
lovely. send them back to Serie B
Dec 21st 2022
15
If no one watches Serie A does it really exist?
Dec 21st 2022
16
      no one else does the thing so common it has a name?
Dec 21st 2022
17
      Lol I’m going to fill all his dumbass posts with an entire Serie A sec...
Dec 21st 2022
18
           The fact that you would even waste time to
Dec 22nd 2022
21
                You don’t contribute anything to this board
Dec 22nd 2022
23
      You are leprosy to these boards
Dec 21st 2022
19
           Your opening sentence said it all.
Dec 22nd 2022
20
           Not one person here cares about you or Chelsea 😂
Dec 22nd 2022
22
           he's like Kyrie but without any actual talent
Dec 24th 2022
43
Great write-up on how Maradona came to Naples (SWIPE)
Dec 22nd 2022
24
Inter in danger of losing Hakan da Gawd?!?!
Dec 22nd 2022
25
I will walk into Inter offices with a baseball bat if this happens
Dec 22nd 2022
28
      Damn. :(
Dec 22nd 2022
29
There is only one Gigi. But there were others. (Sorry, long swipe)
Dec 22nd 2022
26
Scudetto is Napolis to lose (Long swipe)
Dec 22nd 2022
27
8 points up. Amazing squad. They have to see it through.
Dec 22nd 2022
30
they have some areas to address imo
Dec 24th 2022
41
Haaland and KDB connection reminds me so much of
Dec 22nd 2022
32
I’m not sure why Darwin isnt excelling at Liverpool
Dec 22nd 2022
33
I love Klopp, but when do you start looking at him?
Dec 22nd 2022
34
bellisimo 🤌🏽
Dec 22nd 2022
35
Had no idea Pep was allegedly juicing
Dec 22nd 2022
36
his technique is poor as shit
Dec 22nd 2022
37
Hmm, perhaps Liverpool’s success was mostly due to
Dec 22nd 2022
38
5G and 2A in his first 10 PL games is somehow below expectations?
Dec 24th 2022
42
London is located in an alluvial plain.
Dec 24th 2022
39
Oh, there is a mountain my friend.
Dec 24th 2022
40
Boxing Day tomorrow, mofos!
Dec 25th 2022
44
Boston United, this season.
Dec 26th 2022
45
Not today bro:
Dec 26th 2022
46
      Dušan Vlahović might be on the way, Juve fans acting like it’s done ...
Dec 27th 2022
49
Gakpo to Liverpool:
Dec 26th 2022
47
Nunez is trash, so they had to fix that.
Dec 26th 2022
48
rumblings from PSV indicate his agent wanted that
Dec 27th 2022
50
      word. either way, i don't think he was the guy for us.
Dec 27th 2022
51
           it depends whats being asked of him
Dec 27th 2022
52
                He would be redundant with us. He isn’t a true 9
Dec 27th 2022
56
50M altogether, significantly less than I'd hoped for 😒
Dec 27th 2022
53
Mason MOUNTain!
Dec 27th 2022
54
finally a chelsea manager didn't do the square peg round hole thing
Dec 27th 2022
55
Ronaldo to Saudi Arabia on a 3/200 milli deal.
Dec 30th 2022
57
Wrong , as usua
Dec 30th 2022
58
      Per NBC
Dec 30th 2022
59
           Lmao you a British crown shoe licking fuckface
Dec 31st 2022
60
           Per every other news source on the internet , literally
Dec 31st 2022
61
                I’m going to explain it to you one last time because I know
Dec 31st 2022
63
Wow. Everton did the impossible today.
Dec 31st 2022
62
So I'm actually becoming a Gunner believer.
Dec 31st 2022
64
7 points clear on NYD.
Dec 31st 2022
65
You guys will face three straight tough EPL matches
Dec 31st 2022
66
Realistically, if they get >5pts from those 3
Dec 31st 2022
67
toppa ‘da MF’n table!
Dec 31st 2022
68
Congrats on the title
Jan 01st 2023
69
      RE: Congrats on the title
Jan 01st 2023
70
           Chelsea looks lost w/o james
Jan 01st 2023
72
                He drives the attack along the flank and is a great crosser,
Jan 02nd 2023
74
This Unai Emery thing is working out
Jan 01st 2023
71
They handled them too.
Jan 02nd 2023
73
      that second goal man
Jan 02nd 2023
75
McKennie trading La Vecchia for the Villa?
Jan 03rd 2023
76
Spain not bringing De Gea to the WC has to go down...
Jan 03rd 2023
77
Eh, he's still giving up goals like Everton just now
Jan 06th 2023
108
see this is why you can't support people, LOL.
Jan 06th 2023
109
Claudio Reyna really done fucked up.
Jan 04th 2023
78
Damn. What a foul thing to do.
Jan 04th 2023
79
sheesh what a mess. still Free Gio and fire Gregg
Jan 04th 2023
80
      Who would pick him now?
Jan 04th 2023
81
      ^this^
Jan 04th 2023
82
           Why Free Gio?
Jan 04th 2023
83
                man, teams have been putting up with headache players...
Jan 04th 2023
85
                HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH YET TO BE THAT HEADACHE.
Jan 04th 2023
86
                     and, as much *I* love to clown Mason Mount and his fans (HI L STAH)...
Jan 04th 2023
87
                          Mason Mount relative to the USMNT, not Mason Mount empirically
Jan 04th 2023
88
                          And I'd also take Gregg over Bruce or Klinsi any day
Jan 04th 2023
89
                               not me, but hey, it's a tough choice when all the coaches suck.
Jan 04th 2023
90
                                    statistically Berhalter is the best coach we’ve ever had
Jan 04th 2023
94
                                         he also has the best pool of talent the USMNT has had.
Jan 04th 2023
95
                                              Speaking of, the hell is this thing between Berhalter and the Reynas?
Jan 04th 2023
97
                                              yep thats pretty much it
Jan 04th 2023
98
                                              If you're telling me you'd take the current forwards over Deuce/Donovan
Jan 05th 2023
100
                                                   you're proving my point.
Jan 05th 2023
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                                                   Pepi and Pefok weren't guaranteed to do any better
Jan 05th 2023
102
                                                        NO ONE IS GUARANTEED TO DO ANYTHING.
Jan 05th 2023
104
                                                             the people in charge of USSF dont make money marketing Eredivisie guys
Jan 06th 2023
112
                                                   im not sure what that means
Jan 06th 2023
111
                                                        over Dempsey and Donovan?
Jan 08th 2023
113
                                                             its such an easy yes that im surprised anyone would say otherwise
Jan 08th 2023
125
                                                                  Donovan would have had EPL success
Jan 13th 2023
152
                because he's better than them. let the kid spin already or find
Jan 04th 2023
99
Inter - Napoli seems awful big for the first week of January
Jan 04th 2023
84
Eden Dzeko has been a boon for us , he still playing at a high level tha...
Jan 04th 2023
91
      i had that thought too. what a warrior
Jan 06th 2023
110
RIP VIK
Jan 04th 2023
92
U serious?
Jan 04th 2023
93
That's sad news.
Jan 06th 2023
107
All of a sudden Nottingham Forest are world beaters.
Jan 04th 2023
96
Solid defense…terrible offensive effort.
Jan 05th 2023
103
Chelsea lived in an alternate reality under Roman
Jan 05th 2023
105
      Daddy’s money? Roman stopped pumping money
Jan 06th 2023
106
We are trash.
Jan 08th 2023
114
A year or two in the championship will do them good.
Jan 08th 2023
116
hear hear
Jan 08th 2023
117
I don’t have the energy for you today.
Jan 08th 2023
118
      I'm trying to be positive.
Jan 08th 2023
119
           You should go into show business.
Jan 08th 2023
120
                Bears got 1st pick, u should be happy 😆
Jan 08th 2023
121
                     It doesn’t matter. The position is irrelevant for both
Jan 08th 2023
122
                          Before I forget, been meaning to ask you this:
Jan 08th 2023
123
                               RE: Before I forget, been meaning to ask you this:
Jan 08th 2023
124
a decent 15 year run funded by Russian oligarchy =/= legacy
Jan 08th 2023
126
A Russian Zionazi Oligarch too on top of it
Jan 09th 2023
127
The two of you absolutely know shit about futbol.
Jan 09th 2023
131
      He said the last 15 years , you described the last 10
Jan 09th 2023
135
      Learn to read. It would help.
Jan 09th 2023
138
           Zero tradition , zero history , zero class nm
Jan 09th 2023
139
      i know i was already a legal drinking age adult
Jan 09th 2023
136
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jan 09th 2023
128
Welcome back to, as you say, the middle table
Jan 09th 2023
140
Fuckin Stevenage man.
Jan 08th 2023
115
Damn, Joao Felix to Chelsea:
Jan 09th 2023
129
surprising. who's in charge at MU right now though?!?!
Jan 09th 2023
130
One can only hope it turns into a Fabregas situation, like
Jan 09th 2023
132
      Fabregas was not forgotten about at Barca...
Jan 09th 2023
133
           His ability was forgotten about during his time at Barca due to
Jan 09th 2023
134
                Barca got him for 34mil, sold him to Chelsea for 33mil
Jan 10th 2023
141
                     Wrong. Chelsea bought him for 27 million!
Jan 12th 2023
143
                          You know that Pounds are Euros are different things, right?
Jan 13th 2023
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                          And actually Barca did not pay 34 million Euros
Jan 13th 2023
149
                          He was quoting the prices in Euros. You absolute clown.
Jan 13th 2023
148
                               Thanks for the usual immature name calling by you.
Jan 13th 2023
150
                                    I mean have you WATCHED Barca operate the last 20 years?
Jan 13th 2023
151
This transfer window will let us know if
Jan 09th 2023
137
this post title is getting funnier by the week
Jan 12th 2023
142
lololol.
Jan 12th 2023
145
he shoulda left it to you.
Jan 12th 2023
146
i cant even comprehend how it got created
Jan 13th 2023
153
Mason Didn't aMOUNT to much, is more like it.
Jan 13th 2023
154
      Mount has accomplished more in one season than
Jan 13th 2023
156
           sure, Mount has the medals...but he wasn't driving na'an none of that.
Jan 13th 2023
158
                He won Chelsea player of the year back to back
Jan 14th 2023
161
                     says a lot about your bum ass team.
Jan 14th 2023
172
Their second half certainly has been spectacular, to be fair.
Jan 13th 2023
155
That red card really put us on the back foot.
Jan 12th 2023
144
Speaking of the fall of Romans in London
Jan 13th 2023
157
As a graduate history student , this was interesting , thank you nm
Jan 14th 2023
165
ETH really doing it
Jan 14th 2023
159
This is gonna be a hell of a title race
Jan 14th 2023
164
i wouldnt say we're in it but we're cooking rn. no doubt about it
Jan 14th 2023
167
i dont actually think it will
Jan 14th 2023
169
he really is. he got fucking Bruno running around like a rabid dog.
Jan 14th 2023
175
Brighton got Liverpool bent over their knee rn
Jan 14th 2023
160
you know things are bad when you’re getting styled on by Danny Welbeck
Jan 14th 2023
162
Always feels good to see Liverpool get lumped up.
Jan 14th 2023
163
that was really bad. couldve been 5 or 6.
Jan 14th 2023
166
How Chelsea can turn their season around (TheAthletic swipe)
Jan 14th 2023
168
Paramount+ was fucking with me on the replay, just finished
Jan 14th 2023
170
Victor Osimhen = best striker in the world
Jan 15th 2023
180
^^^powerful postin^^^
Jan 14th 2023
173
Grazie , fratello
Jan 15th 2023
184
lmao. salute!
Jan 15th 2023
182
Mudryk to Chelsea for $$$
Jan 14th 2023
171
Boehly is spending just to spend at this point, and it’s insane.
Jan 14th 2023
174
Sheva 2.0 LOLOLOL
Jan 15th 2023
176
A much needed victory!
Jan 15th 2023
177
😂 @ lloris
Jan 15th 2023
178
incrrdible
Jan 15th 2023
179
typical error
Jan 15th 2023
181
Top ada table | Mind the (8pt) gap | London = Red
Jan 15th 2023
183
absolutly stomped real madrid
Jan 16th 2023
185
yeahhhhhh…congrats
Jan 16th 2023
186
Smoked em.
Jan 17th 2023
187
Inter defeat Milan 3-0 to win 2nd straight SuperCoppa Italiana 😎 🏆...
Jan 18th 2023
188
Memphis is off to atletico
Jan 19th 2023
189
always liked Memphis as a player for whatever reason..
Jan 19th 2023
190
Yeah I've liked Memphis since the 2014 WC
Jan 19th 2023
194
I had dreams of a return to PSV
Jan 19th 2023
191
PSV sells Madueke to Chelsea for €40M
Jan 19th 2023
192
Spurs had me excited there for a second. Oh well
Jan 19th 2023
193
ah...the BPONE. id recognize it anywhere
Jan 20th 2023
197
Don’t think Lampard can survive this season.
Jan 19th 2023
195
title race is cooked but man mahrez dropped a 10/10 today
Jan 19th 2023
196
Juve docked 15 points, now 10th
Jan 20th 2023
198
"West Ham defeats Everton in a tight relegation battle" is not....
Jan 21st 2023
199
It’s really really bad.
Jan 21st 2023
200
mudryk looked good but my word what an awful match that was
Jan 21st 2023
201
17 points out of 21 for Emery. 68% possession on the road
Jan 22nd 2023
202
fantastic rashford goal
Jan 22nd 2023
203
Rashford going brazy since the cup
Jan 22nd 2023
204
braindead AWB. i miss Dalot
Jan 22nd 2023
205
Gio banger. Berhalter can go jump in a volcano
Jan 22nd 2023
206
so good
Jan 22nd 2023
213
most def. fuck berhalter.
Jan 22nd 2023
221
      Yeah I loved it. Hope the kid keeps cooking and embarrassing berhalter
Jan 23rd 2023
225
that is fucking poor from De Gea
Jan 22nd 2023
207
Big fucking Dro. this is some game
Jan 22nd 2023
208
ETH blew it sitting on our subs
Jan 22nd 2023
209
...who would have come on? not much on the bench TBH
Jan 22nd 2023
210
      first you take off Eriksen for Fred. he was walking around there
Jan 22nd 2023
212
big win by the arsenal. united prolly deserved a point, but
Jan 22nd 2023
211
they wouldve earned the point had they gotten one, but...
Jan 22nd 2023
214
I’m saying, that’s my man, but insane comment
Jan 22nd 2023
216
FOH!! Deserved?? Check the XG mate
Jan 22nd 2023
215
      ha, fair enough man. You're right
Jan 22nd 2023
217
A bunch of wrong, loud MF tried to put Sancho in Saka’s zip code
Jan 22nd 2023
218
Meanwhile I loved what Trossard brought. If they can get ESR going too.....
Jan 22nd 2023
219
that sucked.
Jan 22nd 2023
220
i never thought Antony was *that* dude but hes real young
Jan 22nd 2023
222
      his final ball is absolute dogshit
Jan 22nd 2023
223
           Another player who left to go to MU to disappear
Jan 23rd 2023
228
                just like Chelsea's chances at anything this season.
Jan 23rd 2023
229
Juve continuing to spiral.
Jan 23rd 2023
224
Glorious. Absolutely glorious.
Jan 23rd 2023
230
      Bellisimo
Jan 24th 2023
231
           The cheek of Agnelli as well
Jan 24th 2023
232
When you sign a young talent and connect him to the club history
Jan 23rd 2023
226
Frank Lampard just got sacked.
Jan 23rd 2023
227
LaLiga stays trying to fuck barca up
Jan 27th 2023
233
Mes que un club . . . es un banc
Jan 27th 2023
234
      Barto 100% fucked barca up
Jan 27th 2023
237
           Oh you'll never see me arguing that Franco-ass Real are the way either
Jan 27th 2023
238
Big Dyche in at Everton
Jan 27th 2023
235
Smart appointment.
Jan 27th 2023
239
      I watched his Masterclass on the 4-4-2
Jan 27th 2023
240
           Football weekly was talking about that a couple months ago.
Jan 28th 2023
242
Also, LMFAO at Bielsa's pitch to the Everton board.
Jan 27th 2023
236
Nathan Ake, another one that got away.
Jan 27th 2023
241
I've been wanting to post about him 4 a few weeks: Mitoma!! Star
Jan 29th 2023
243
serious baller. i expect him to be at City next season
Jan 29th 2023
244
meanwhile Brighton need to let Caicedo go now...clear they don't him to
Jan 29th 2023
245
Weston Mckennie goes on loan to Leeds United
Jan 30th 2023
246
Jorginho Arsenal. 🙃 decent bench option I suppose
Jan 31st 2023
247
i'm sure he's stoked to get out of the hell hole that is Chelsea.
Jan 31st 2023
251
      FOH. He conquered all of Europe at Chelsea.
Jan 31st 2023
252
The best team in Europe closer to the Scudetto w a win over Rome
Jan 31st 2023
248
Arsenal love our leftovers!
Jan 31st 2023
249
AC MILAN hits crisis point (long swipe)
Jan 31st 2023
250
Chelsea breaks the PL transfer record to sign Enzo.
Jan 31st 2023
253
hate to admit, but this is the 1 deal Chelsea did this month that'll def
Jan 31st 2023
254
      We shall see.
Jan 31st 2023
255
La Liga up to that bullshit
Feb 01st 2023
256

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1. "feels so weird to be resuming the PL season right now."
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3. "^^. will be fascinating to see which teams stumble or surge"
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January transfer window is gonna be flames...

Then there's the WC hangover that certain players might have (PSG being exhibit A).

EPL wise, there's Haaland the terminator, ready to go...

I suspect Arsenal will struggle somewhat with Jesus out. Hopefully they go for it in the transfer market. I'll be *shocked* if they're still in 1st by late January.

Unfortunately allStah is prolly right about Chelsea coming fast out of the blocks.

Scousers will make a run for sure

I'm not sure about United, though have to think they're gonna get a $$$ striker in (Gakpo).

Newcastle is gonna finish top 4, I think. Europa league spot at worst.

  

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4. "i'm a United fan so of course I hate City..."
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but i'd by lying my ass off if i said i didn't wanna see what Haaland will do.

  

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2. "also, mods, please let Benny edit this post title."
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just utter homerism for a trash player.

  

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5. "EAD"
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Tue Dec-20-22 02:35 PM by allStah

          

Several of them.

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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6. "I mean I think we should take a pledge to boycott this post"
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And show up on a weekly basis anyway.

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8. "Maybe he was just boycotting *creating* posts"
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Man's gotta have a code, and so forth

  

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12. "I literally was gonna create a December futbol post when I saw this nons..."
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had a silly title ready to go and e'thing

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For the record, my teams:
MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
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7. "League cup (carling cup to me) is on right now...Newcastle/Bournmouth"
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9. "Kanye won’t be ready anytime soon. And he’s pushing for a move "
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Where do you get your news?

  

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10. "You’re right "
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Kanye will not be ready anytime soon, because he isn’t on this team

Where do you get your news from?

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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11. "anyone noticed whats going on at Juventus? Everything in flames"
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I know most of you are all LaLiga/EPL fans but everything is bad in Turin right now (but the team is playing decently)


https://theathletic.com/3948345/2022/11/29/juventus-board-resigns-crisis-explained/


Juventus in crisis: What triggered board’s resignation – and what happens next?
James Horncastle
Nov 29, 2022
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Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli has always been fond of the line from Jack Welch, one of the titans of American industry. “Change before you have to.”

It has been a theme of Agnelli’s 12 years at the helm of his family’s football club, the pledge to “Live Ahead” providing an explanation as to why Juventus broke up teams and rebuilt them to stay successful, launched a new crest in 2017 to appeal to Generation Z, welcomed Netflix and then Amazon behind closed doors and got behind the idea of a Super League.

On Monday, however, Agnelli and his board felt obliged to change themselves.

Only a few days after chairing a panel about the experience of Juventus Next Gen — the under-23s side that has brought through several players into the first team this season, and is a potent symbol of Juventus’ future — Agnelli and all members of the board, out of nowhere, resigned.

It is the end of an era.

Agnelli restored Juventus to greatness. Having just finished seventh in the 2009-10 Serie A season and unable to appeal to the best players when he took over from Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, he inaugurated a game-changing new stadium, won nine consecutive league titles, did the domestic double four times and reached the Champions League final twice.

For a long time, until 2018, Juventus were a model club.

The media in Italy have likened the resignations to an “earthquake.”

Juventus have not experienced a day like this since 2006 when Calciopoli, a scandal about power and influence they were still appealing and seeking damages for as recently as last month, caused a similar changing of the guard.

What is the background to Monday’s dramatic events?
It all revolves around the ongoing investigation into Juventus’ finances.

This time last year, the Turin club were engaged in a second capital increase in three years. Over the course of both exercises, new shares were issued for a combined €700million (£603m, $723m) to stabilise the club’s finances amid the COVID-19 pandemic. In the prospectus regarding the recapitalisation, Juventus were obliged, as a company listed on the Euronext stock exchange in Milan, to disclose that the club was subject to an inspection by Italy’s financial regulator CONSOB over “revenues from players’ registration rights”.

COVISOC, another watchdog charged with supervising the football industry in Italy, had passed on a report to the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) highlighting 62 transfers from the previous two years. The FIGC’s disciplinary commissioner was invited to take a closer look and consider whether the fees involved were inflated or not.

Forty-two of those transfers involved Juventus, the most high-profile being the swap of Miralem Pjanic for Barcelona’s Arthur Melo. But 36 of the 62, a startlingly high proportion, went under the radar because they pertained to young players.

In April, the FIGC cleared Juventus and the other 10 implicated clubs, the prosecutor’s case undermined by leaning on the widely-used but unofficial football website Transfermarkt as a benchmark for player valuations.

Far more serious, though, was a parallel investigation called Prisma that had been launched by the public prosecutor’s office of the court of Turin.

Why is the Prisma investigation more serious?
Prisma brought allegations of false accounting, false financial statements and market manipulation.

A search and seizure order was obtained by the public prosecutor’s office in Turin and they authorised the Guardia di Finanza — a police force responsible for investigating financial affairs in Italy — to raid the club’s training grounds in Continassa and Vinovo and their offices in Turin and Milan.

Sixteen people were placed under investigation including Agnelli, vice-president Pavel Nedved and Juventus’ former chief football officer Fabio Paratici, who left 18 months ago and is now managing director of football at Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur. A request to place Agnelli under house arrest was rejected.

The club issued a statement last month denying any wrongdoing, after prosecutors completed their investigation.

Attention focused on Juventus’ financial results in 2019, 2020 and 2021. After looking over the books, investigators alleged a significant discrepancy.

Also of interest were the arrangements made with the club’s players during the pandemic. A statement in March 2020 announced Juventus would approximately save €90million after their players agreed a wage reduction equal to their pay for the months of March, April, May and June that year. But the investigators allege the players waived only one month’s pay, and that the financial markets were misled by the club’s statement.

The “salary manoeuvres”, loyalty bonuses and how they were accounted for lay at the heart of Prisma.

Wiretaps included in the initial search and seizure order included a snippet of a conversation between Federico Cherubini, one of Juventus’ recruitment executives, and Cesare Gabasio, a former member of the club’s legal team, about Cristiano Ronaldo, who joined from Real Madrid in 2018 for around €100million, and how “they will jump down our throats” if a “carta segreta” (secret document) “comes out”.

Juventus have always maintained they operated in respect of the law and accounting principles and in line with international football industry practice and market conditions.

On Monday, they stated that “given the centrality and the relevance of the pending legal and technical/accounting matters” the board “considered it in the best interest of the company that Juventus provided itself with a new board of directors to address these matters”.

What happens next and what punishment could Juventus face?
If Prisma finds any breaches, the FIGC may reopen its case, or start a separate one in light of the findings of the Prisma investigation.

An appeal launched by the FIGC’s federal prosecutor’s office in May against the acquittal of the 11 clubs involved, was rejected. But if Giuseppe Chine, the FIGC’s federal prosecutor, believes there is merit in revisiting the case based upon a review of the evidence gathered by the public prosecutor’s office in Turin, Juventus could be at risk of a fine or a points penalty under article 31 of the country’s code of sporting justice if FIGC finds against them.

The Prisma investigation itself has now concluded and it remains to be seen how the criminal proceedings pending before the Turin judicial authority progress — as acknowledged in the first half-year report for 2022 by the Agnelli family’s holding company EXOR.

Within the club itself, chief executive Maurizio Arrivabene, a former Ferrari team principal, is staying on for now to manage the transition.

Juventus have also announced Maurizio Scanavino as general manager. Scanavino previously led GEDI, the media group and publisher behind leading Italian newspapers La Repubblica and La Stampa as well as international titles including The Economist. GEDI is one of the companies in the portfolio of EXOR, which is led by the real power and scion of the Agnelli dynasty, John Elkann, who is Andrea Agnelli’s cousin.

On Tuesday, EXOR indicated in a statement that Gianluca Ferrero is their choice to replace Agnelli as Juventus chairman. Ferrero was born in Turin, ran Lavazza, the globally-recognised coffee manufacturer founded in the city, and is a big Juventus fan.

“As a corporate adviser, auditor, board and committee member of a number of companies, Mr Ferrero has significant experience and the required technical competencies, as well as a genuine passion for the club, making him the person most qualified to fulfil this role,” EXOR announced.

Is this Calciopoli 2.0, then?
No. This is completely different. It is a financial story about how a club listed on the stock exchange reported their financial results. It’s about player trading and payroll. It’s about how the club acted and reacted to financial pressures, particularly around making transfers and, principally, the pandemic.

How could this impact Juventus on the pitch?
Coach Massimiliano Allegri and his players will have what remains of the World Cup break to process it before their season resumes in early January.

Playing for or managing Juventus already comes with great scrutiny and pressure, so they’re relatively used to it. Some of the players were interviewed by investigators when Prisma started and this has already been going on for a year.

The matter is with the club and the former board.

Having said that, Allegri has often remarked in the past how a club’s structure is vitally important. He was sacked by AC Milan in 2014 at a time when his principal supporter within the club, Adriano Galliani, was being challenged as their co-chief executive by team president Silvio Berlusconi’s daughter, Barbara.

After 12 years of Agnelli, the swiftness with which EXOR has acted in nominating a successor only partially mitigates the uncertainty the board’s sudden resignation has caused.

It remains to be seen what vision Ferrero has for the club amid calls on social media for Alessandro Del Piero to return to the club he once played for as an executive, pleas that the former Italy international did little to deflect on an appearance with beIN Sports on Monday night.

And what does this all mean ahead of the January transfer window?
Juventus are one of the companies on EXOR’s portfolio.

For context, this is a conglomerate with revenues worth a colossal €33billion in 2021. Elkann and EXOR are therefore gold-standard guarantors. It was EXOR that underwrote the majority of the two capital increases in Juventus, and they can afford it.

For all the club’s strength as a brand and the cultural capital they possess, Juventus are a relatively small enterprise, pocket change on the balance sheet compared with the car business EXOR operates, which comprises Ferrari and Stellantis — the result of a 2021 merger between FIAT-Chrysler and the PSA Group, which makes Citreons, Peugeots, Opels and Vauxhalls.

Juventus, of course, have to operate within an FFP (financial fair play) framework and make a transition to a more sustainable model. But that transition has already started.

The €400million injected into the club this time last year partly gave them the confidence to go and sign Serbia forward Dusan Vlahovic from Fiorentina for €75million last January. He helped Juventus qualify for the Champions League and while the club have exited after the group stage, a run of six straight clean-sheet wins in Serie A, following a poor start, meant they went into this World Cup break in third place.

Vlahovic
Dusan Vlahovic was a marquee signing in January (Photo: Pedro Fiúza/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
What does it mean for Juventus’ involvement in the Super League?
Juventus remain part of the Super League project, along with Spanish duo Real Madrid and Barcelona.

It’s too early to tell what Ferrero’s intentions are for the club but the early indications are that Juventus are still firmly on board.

Reforming the European game was one of the five pillars included in the three-year plan Agnelli laid out this past summer. “After the unimaginable COVID storm” and “over seven billion cumulative losses in the industry between 2019 and 2021,” he considered it more essential than ever before.

“The overall goal,” Agnelli wrote to shareholders, “is to put fans and footballers, the souls of the most beautiful sport in the world, back at the centre of this industry, whose throbbing heart is in the European Union. This is to be achieved by ensuring that investors, as represented by the clubs, are legitimately represented within the governance and thereby establishing the right link between entrepreneurial risk and economic management control. The positive consequences of possible reforms will be to provide grassroots sport, through the federations, with the resources it deserves, distributed transparently through entities with clearly defined roles.

“Reforms, in any context, can only be achieved through listening and constructive dialogue with all stakeholders. Juventus wants to be an active part of that dialogue.”

Agnelli stood by that, even in his final remarks to Juventus employees on Monday.

“I will continue to imagine and work for a better football, comforted by a phrase by Friedrich Nietzsche, ‘And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music’.”

For now, the music has stopped on Agnelli’s chairmanship, and he will not be at the helm next year when Juventus mark a centenary of his family’s ownership of the club.

Agnelli signed off at Juventus with the club’s motto “Fino alla Fine.” Until the end.

But for him as president, this appears to be it.

(Main graphic — photos: Getty Images/design: Eamonn Dalton)



>December is almost over, so I’m placing one up to cover
>this last week and for next month.
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>Okay, time to get back to real Futbol business. Chelsea has
>always been
>spectacular in the second half of a season. This season should
>be no
>different.
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>A lot of key players will be returning from injury. Fofana and
>James have been cleared
>to play, and I believe Kante is ready to go as well.
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>Plus we have been playing fantastic Futbol in the CL….
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>Time to surge. You’ve been warned.
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13. "Looking forward to reading this."
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High level gloss seems to reveal the same old same old - Juve doing incredibly shady shit

  

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31. "Yeah...heard the first news about this couple of weeks ago."
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Didn't think much of it. Italians, man.

  

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14. "these mfs should be in prison"
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but as Immortal Technique once said, better to be rich and guilty than poor and innocent

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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15. "lovely. send them back to Serie B"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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16. "If no one watches Serie A does it really exist?"
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No.

So stop posting these long ass Serie A swipes. Post like a normal poster and
keep it moving.

No one else does this.

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
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17. "no one else does the thing so common it has a name?"
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a name that you yourself used?

weird

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18. "Lol I’m going to fill all his dumbass posts with an entire Serie A sec..."
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With SUPER long swipes



>a name that you yourself used?
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>weird

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21. "The fact that you would even waste time to "
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do that says a lot about you.

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23. "You don’t contribute anything to this board"
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Other than posting weirdo stalker ish things about Mallika Andrews dating life

I bet you’re on a registry somewhere , and not for weddings

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19. "You are leprosy to these boards "
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If you stopped posting no one would care



>No.
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>So stop posting these long ass Serie A swipes. Post like a
>normal poster and
>keep it moving.
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>No one else does this.

Charter Member I can do whatever I want you dumb Neanderthal , more people appreciate my swipes than your nonsensical rants …

inbox cyren and cry to him , pussy

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20. "Your opening sentence said it all."
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I know you guys mostly follow the EPL/LA Liga. You should
have stopped right there.

No one gives a Fock about Serie A …or you posting about Serie A

Go seek attention elsewhere.

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22. "Not one person here cares about you or Chelsea 😂 "
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Leper


>I know you guys mostly follow the EPL/LA Liga. You should
>have stopped right there.
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>No one gives a Fock about Serie A …or you posting about
>Serie A
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>Go seek attention elsewhere.

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43. "he's like Kyrie but without any actual talent"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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24. "Great write-up on how Maradona came to Naples (SWIPE)"
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https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/2022-world-cup-serie-a-players-to-watch-weston-mckennie-lautaro-martinez-dusan-vlahovic-set-to-shine/

The legacy of Diego Maradona: How Napoli's owner used a fake contract to bring Argentina's star to Serie A

CBS Sports sat down with Corrado Ferlaino, the former Napoli owner who signed Maradona.

Explaining the meaning of Diego Armando Maradona for the Napoli fans and the whole city of Naples is almost impossible. He was an icon beyond soccer. He wasn't just the best player in the world and probably the best player of all time, he was the man who changed the history of Naples. A city where everything seems much more difficult to happen than other cities around Italy. Imagine winning the Scudetto, or the UEFA Cup, with a team that was fighting to avoid relegation until Maradona arrived. Diego, as many citizens of the historic city in the south of Italy call him, was just something else. He represented the social redemption of thousands of people who were struggling in their lives. Many of them continued to struggle, but it didn't matter because Maradona was there. June 1984 was the month that changed the history of this city thanks to the vision of the owner of the club: Corrado Ferlaino. CBS Sports had the pleasure to sit down and talk with the person who made this dream becoming a reality, two years after the passing of the unforgettable Maradona: "There is only one way to describe him, he was a Neapolitan Argentinian", Ferlaino says.

Corrado Ferlaino (91) is an Italian entrepreneur who became Napoli president in 1969 and kept a role inside the club until the late 90's. He marked an era for Italian soccer, and his image is always linked with the transfer of Maradona from FC Barcelona in the summer 1984. A story that gives us an insight of how soccer is linked to politics, but also of how the vision of a man can change the history of an entire city. Ferlaino has told this story many times, but his eyes still shine almost 40 years after the events actually happened as he remembers every single minute of those incredible days: "I have told this story so many times that every time I kind of add new details. I don't want to say inaccurate things, so this time I will try to be as faithful as possible".

How politics got involved
To explain the transfer of Maradona to Napoli we need to take into account the financial differences between Italian clubs such as Juventus, Inter Milan or AC Milan and others like Napoli. The Azzurri were not as strong as today and the Maradona deal seemed to be only a dream, something that only the big clubs from the North could afford. This is why this is a story that includes much more than only soccer, because it's also a story about social and financial differences in the same country:

"Barcelona wanted to sell Maradona because, let's say, he wasn't really in their style, but on the other hand they didn't want to sell him for how good he was. They were undecided between two totally opposing ideas inside the club. Then, there was a financial problem. We had to find thirteen billion of the Italian lire at the time (around $7.5 million) to buy Maradona." Finding the money became the priority of Ferlaino those weeks, but he managed to find a way.

"I couldn't invest all that money myself, and the club couldn't afford it. I have to say we were very lucky, sometimes in life you just need it. Many times you lose, many times you win. I won hands down here because the City of Naples entered an economic crisis and the Italian government sent one of their former ministers in the spring of 1984, Vincenzo Scotti, to oversee the role of the Mayor. He was a good friend of mine and among other things he understood very well what the people of Naples wanted and in that moment. He convinced the bank of the city (Banco di Napoli) to finance the Maradona deal."

"The Barcelona executives were undecided, they constantly changed the terms of payments. What the bank decided one day, didn't work for the Spanish club the day after. We went on for days and the deal was postponed until the very last day of the window. The crucial points were the guarantees of the payments which should have been in three years. The moment Scotti arrived, he convinced Ferdinando Ventriglia (member of the bank's board) to proceed with the transfer of Maradona".

"The board of the bank met in the hotel where Ventriglia was staying to give the final green light, but Ventriglia was also very careful to the public opinion. I woke up in the morning and read the local newspapers, which all criticized this deal, as it always happens around here. They were saying it was wrong to spend this kind of money on a soccer player, instead of investing resources in other things for the whole community. I needed to do something".

The fake contract
Ferlaino had a vision and a dream for himself and for the Napoli fans. At that point, it kind of became personal. His love for the club and for the fans took over and completely overwhelmed any other possibility. Maradona had to play for that club, no matter what. Ferlaino knew that things could change quickly and when he understood that the bank could change its mind about this investment, he was just smarter and quicker: "After reading the pressure from the press and the criticisms on this deal from some critics, I immediately went to the bank to get the paper certifying the bank's financial support for the Maradona deal, because I knew it was necessary to anticipate a potential change of minds from the members of the bank. After getting this certificate, I took the plane and went to Milan first and then to Barcelona. When Ventriglia read the newspapers he tried to stop everything but I had already taken the paper with me and I was already in Barcelona."

"Before my arrival I had sent two of my men to Barcelona to talk with Maradona, his agent, and the club. Antonio Juliano, a former Napoli player who at the time was a member of our board and with him I sent a businessman as well, Dino Celentano, a friend of mine and a person I could trust for the negotiations. The two of them had the task to find an agreement with both Barcelona and the player. We arrived late in the evening and the final signature on the contracts arrived around midnight. While waiting to leave for Naples with the private jet, I stopped in the same hotel where we signed the agreement to drink a whisky on the rocks so that I could relax a bit after those tense days. While I was drinking it, the waiter came up to ask me where I was from.

'Where are you from?'

'I'm from Naples', I replied

'Ah, from Naples! We just scammed Napoli. We sold them a player who's not even good and also fat, did you see him?'

I never drank whiskey again in my life after that day".

All this happened while the transfer deadline was already over and Napoli couldn't technically sign Maradona, but sometimes the passion and the foxiness of an emotional owner can make the difference. "You noticed I said I went to Milan first and then to Barcelona? Yes, because I went to the Serie A offices to deliver an empty envelope that was supposed to have inside Maradona's contract which had to be delivered by that day. After Barcelona, I returned to Milan and at the entrance I told the night guard that I made a mistake in the procedure, we went up to the offices and I secretly replaced the envelope: I took the empty one with me and left there the one with the contract inside. Some journalists found out about it, but the federation was happy to have Maradona in Serie A and at Napoli, so they ignored it. Maradona arrived in Naples that same week".

Remembering Maradona
Maradona was loved like no one in Naples and the city always showed him this affection when he came back years after his rowdy farewell, when he left the country without saying goodbye to the fans and the people that he loved. Ferlaino and Maradona met as well when Diego came back in the past years to visit his friends, his fans and his city. "The last time I saw him was one year before he died, he was always nice with me, like with the whole city of Naples. His passing made me sad, of course. I think they let him die, they let a sick person die, it was like a psychological suicide. He did not defend himself and could not defend himself from his problems".

"Napoli won't forget him and what he has done for all of us is just unforgettable. My love for this city is also very deep. I like to travel around the world, even at 91 I would like to have a second life somewhere else in the world, I would like to work in different places but I can't go. Everyone in Naples really loves me, and how can I leave Naples?". Ferlaino and Maradona shared some incredible moments of sports, but they also shared the love for the city of Naples and for the Neapolitans. Together, they were at the top of the world of soccer and if you give everything for Naples, this city will give everything back. In this case, even something more.

  

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25. "Inter in danger of losing Hakan da Gawd?!?!"
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https://football-italia.net/calhanoglu-im-waiting-for-inter-to-call-for-contract-renewal/

CALHANOGLU: ‘I’M WAITING FOR INTER TO CALL FOR CONTRACT RENEWAL’
Dec 22, 2022 08:18 - by Apollo Heyes - Leave a Comment

Hakan Calhanoglu discussed his role at Inter, their ambitions this season and his desire to pen a new contract with the club.

The 28-year-old Turkish midfielder joined the Nerazzurri on a free transfer last year after his deal expired with Milan, ending a four-year period with the Rossoneri. He has become an important part of Simone Inzaghi’s squad in the Lombardy capital, scoring three goals and providing five assists in 20 appearances across all competitions this campaign.

Speaking to Corriere della Sera, Calhanoglu first discussed how he feels at Inter and the importance of their upcoming clash with Napoli.

“I feel good and I want to be even more important for Inter. Here they helped me from the start and made me feel at ease. I want to repay this trust by winning another trophy, maybe the Scudetto.

“We believe in the comeback, if we resume with the same quality of the last games before the break we can make it. The match against Napoli on January 4 at the San Siro will be decisive, it will tell us so much about the rest of the season.

“Winning would be very important, we play at home and we are favourites. We are preparing it in the right way, I see the team well. We want to show what we have inside.”

He touched on his role as a regista under coach Inzaghi.

“Intelligent players know how to adapt and I think I did well in a role that I already knew anyway, because with my national team I play as a midfielder. Then you can be tall or short, but on the pitch you make the difference if you have the fire inside.

“You have to be bad in duels, intense. In this I think I have improved. Before I was more elegant, light, a classic number 10. I didn’t have the nastiness that I have today.

“Since I changed roles I’m more aggressive and I run a lot, I sacrifice myself. I’ve never been interested in counting goals and assists. I know that many people look at these statistics, but the numbers come if you work well.”

The Turkish midfielder spoke about his happiness with the Nerazzurri and revealed that he wasn’t allowed to ride his motorcycle.

“I’m in love with my Harley, but I don’t use it and it’s sitting in the garage. As soon as I arrived here Piero Ausilio told me: ‘I never want to see you on a motorbike’. The sporting director has not yet called me to negotiate the renewal of my contract, which expires in 2024.

“I want to talk about it, I’m waiting for him to call me. I love Italy, I’d like to stay in Milan even at the end of my career.

“If I hadn’t been a footballer I’ve always liked music, but I think I would have become a policeman, they handle difficult situations, they help others, they do a good job. Football came on its own, when I realised I had talent. Then I put sacrifice and hard work into it.”

Calhanoglu discussed the contract situation of teammate Milan Skriniar.

“I hope he stays, he is a great player and one of the leaders of the team with Handanovic. He will decide with the club, but I hope he stays.”

He gave his thoughts on coach Inzaghi.

“He is one of the people who most wanted me at Inter, he showed he believed in my qualities from day one. He complimented me for the way I replaced Brozovic, I have an excellent relationship with the coach, together we won two cups and only missed out on the Scudetto.”

The 28-year-old spoke about the Champions League and his ambitions in the competition.

“Winning it is one of my dreams, this year I believe in it. I don’t know why, I have a special feeling. We got through a difficult group, we got back up after the defeat against Bayern and showed what we are capable of.

“Porto are a strong team, but if we play like we did against Barcelona we can pass the round.”

Finally, Calhanoglu discussed the upcoming Supercoppa Italiana clash with Milan.

“Finals are special, and we play them with a different spirit. We will go to Riyad to win. I respect Milan, I have a good relationship with Pioli, Maldini and Massara.

“As a gentleman I congratulated them for the Scudetto won last season. Friends have no colours. But for me that’s the past, now I only think of Inter.”

  

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28. "I will walk into Inter offices with a baseball bat if this happens "
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I know Skriniar wants a change and I’m not mad , he gave us his prime


Dumfries is a possible departure too , 😩


>https://football-italia.net/calhanoglu-im-waiting-for-inter-to-call-for-contract-renewal/
>
>CALHANOGLU: ‘I’M WAITING FOR INTER TO CALL FOR CONTRACT
>RENEWAL’
>Dec 22, 2022 08:18 - by Apollo Heyes - Leave a Comment
>
>Hakan Calhanoglu discussed his role at Inter, their ambitions
>this season and his desire to pen a new contract with the
>club.
>
>The 28-year-old Turkish midfielder joined the Nerazzurri on a
>free transfer last year after his deal expired with Milan,
>ending a four-year period with the Rossoneri. He has become an
>important part of Simone Inzaghi’s squad in the Lombardy
>capital, scoring three goals and providing five assists in 20
>appearances across all competitions this campaign.
>
>Speaking to Corriere della Sera, Calhanoglu first discussed
>how he feels at Inter and the importance of their upcoming
>clash with Napoli.
>
>“I feel good and I want to be even more important for Inter.
>Here they helped me from the start and made me feel at ease. I
>want to repay this trust by winning another trophy, maybe the
>Scudetto.
>
>“We believe in the comeback, if we resume with the same
>quality of the last games before the break we can make it. The
>match against Napoli on January 4 at the San Siro will be
>decisive, it will tell us so much about the rest of the
>season.
>
>“Winning would be very important, we play at home and we are
>favourites. We are preparing it in the right way, I see the
>team well. We want to show what we have inside.”
>
>He touched on his role as a regista under coach Inzaghi.
>
>“Intelligent players know how to adapt and I think I did
>well in a role that I already knew anyway, because with my
>national team I play as a midfielder. Then you can be tall or
>short, but on the pitch you make the difference if you have
>the fire inside.
>
>“You have to be bad in duels, intense. In this I think I
>have improved. Before I was more elegant, light, a classic
>number 10. I didn’t have the nastiness that I have today.
>
>“Since I changed roles I’m more aggressive and I run a
>lot, I sacrifice myself. I’ve never been interested in
>counting goals and assists. I know that many people look at
>these statistics, but the numbers come if you work well.”
>
>The Turkish midfielder spoke about his happiness with the
>Nerazzurri and revealed that he wasn’t allowed to ride his
>motorcycle.
>
>“I’m in love with my Harley, but I don’t use it and
>it’s sitting in the garage. As soon as I arrived here Piero
>Ausilio told me: ‘I never want to see you on a motorbike’.
>The sporting director has not yet called me to negotiate the
>renewal of my contract, which expires in 2024.
>
>“I want to talk about it, I’m waiting for him to call me.
>I love Italy, I’d like to stay in Milan even at the end of
>my career.
>
>“If I hadn’t been a footballer I’ve always liked music,
>but I think I would have become a policeman, they handle
>difficult situations, they help others, they do a good job.
>Football came on its own, when I realised I had talent. Then I
>put sacrifice and hard work into it.”
>
>Calhanoglu discussed the contract situation of teammate Milan
>Skriniar.
>
>“I hope he stays, he is a great player and one of the
>leaders of the team with Handanovic. He will decide with the
>club, but I hope he stays.”
>
>He gave his thoughts on coach Inzaghi.
>
>“He is one of the people who most wanted me at Inter, he
>showed he believed in my qualities from day one. He
>complimented me for the way I replaced Brozovic, I have an
>excellent relationship with the coach, together we won two
>cups and only missed out on the Scudetto.”
>
>The 28-year-old spoke about the Champions League and his
>ambitions in the competition.
>
>“Winning it is one of my dreams, this year I believe in it.
>I don’t know why, I have a special feeling. We got through a
>difficult group, we got back up after the defeat against
>Bayern and showed what we are capable of.
>
>“Porto are a strong team, but if we play like we did against
>Barcelona we can pass the round.”
>
>Finally, Calhanoglu discussed the upcoming Supercoppa Italiana
>clash with Milan.
>
>“Finals are special, and we play them with a different
>spirit. We will go to Riyad to win. I respect Milan, I have a
>good relationship with Pioli, Maldini and Massara.
>
>“As a gentleman I congratulated them for the Scudetto won
>last season. Friends have no colours. But for me that’s the
>past, now I only think of Inter.”
>
>

-------------------
I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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29. "Damn. :("
In response to Reply # 28


          

>I know Skriniar wants a change and I’m not mad , he gave us
>his prime
>
>
>Dumfries is a possible departure too , 😩

All 3 are excellent. That would be brutal.

>>https://football-italia.net/calhanoglu-im-waiting-for-inter-to-call-for-contract-renewal/
>>
>>CALHANOGLU: ‘I’M WAITING FOR INTER TO CALL FOR CONTRACT
>>RENEWAL’
>>Dec 22, 2022 08:18 - by Apollo Heyes - Leave a Comment
>>
>>Hakan Calhanoglu discussed his role at Inter, their
>ambitions
>>this season and his desire to pen a new contract with the
>>club.
>>
>>The 28-year-old Turkish midfielder joined the Nerazzurri on
>a
>>free transfer last year after his deal expired with Milan,
>>ending a four-year period with the Rossoneri. He has become
>an
>>important part of Simone Inzaghi’s squad in the Lombardy
>>capital, scoring three goals and providing five assists in
>20
>>appearances across all competitions this campaign.
>>
>>Speaking to Corriere della Sera, Calhanoglu first discussed
>>how he feels at Inter and the importance of their upcoming
>>clash with Napoli.
>>
>>“I feel good and I want to be even more important for
>Inter.
>>Here they helped me from the start and made me feel at ease.
>I
>>want to repay this trust by winning another trophy, maybe
>the
>>Scudetto.
>>
>>“We believe in the comeback, if we resume with the same
>>quality of the last games before the break we can make it.
>The
>>match against Napoli on January 4 at the San Siro will be
>>decisive, it will tell us so much about the rest of the
>>season.
>>
>>“Winning would be very important, we play at home and we
>are
>>favourites. We are preparing it in the right way, I see the
>>team well. We want to show what we have inside.”
>>
>>He touched on his role as a regista under coach Inzaghi.
>>
>>“Intelligent players know how to adapt and I think I did
>>well in a role that I already knew anyway, because with my
>>national team I play as a midfielder. Then you can be tall
>or
>>short, but on the pitch you make the difference if you have
>>the fire inside.
>>
>>“You have to be bad in duels, intense. In this I think I
>>have improved. Before I was more elegant, light, a classic
>>number 10. I didn’t have the nastiness that I have today.
>>
>>“Since I changed roles I’m more aggressive and I run a
>>lot, I sacrifice myself. I’ve never been interested in
>>counting goals and assists. I know that many people look at
>>these statistics, but the numbers come if you work well.”
>>
>>The Turkish midfielder spoke about his happiness with the
>>Nerazzurri and revealed that he wasn’t allowed to ride his
>>motorcycle.
>>
>>“I’m in love with my Harley, but I don’t use it and
>>it’s sitting in the garage. As soon as I arrived here
>Piero
>>Ausilio told me: ‘I never want to see you on a
>motorbike’.
>>The sporting director has not yet called me to negotiate the
>>renewal of my contract, which expires in 2024.
>>
>>“I want to talk about it, I’m waiting for him to call
>me.
>>I love Italy, I’d like to stay in Milan even at the end of
>>my career.
>>
>>“If I hadn’t been a footballer I’ve always liked
>music,
>>but I think I would have become a policeman, they handle
>>difficult situations, they help others, they do a good job.
>>Football came on its own, when I realised I had talent. Then
>I
>>put sacrifice and hard work into it.”
>>
>>Calhanoglu discussed the contract situation of teammate
>Milan
>>Skriniar.
>>
>>“I hope he stays, he is a great player and one of the
>>leaders of the team with Handanovic. He will decide with the
>>club, but I hope he stays.”
>>
>>He gave his thoughts on coach Inzaghi.
>>
>>“He is one of the people who most wanted me at Inter, he
>>showed he believed in my qualities from day one. He
>>complimented me for the way I replaced Brozovic, I have an
>>excellent relationship with the coach, together we won two
>>cups and only missed out on the Scudetto.”
>>
>>The 28-year-old spoke about the Champions League and his
>>ambitions in the competition.
>>
>>“Winning it is one of my dreams, this year I believe in
>it.
>>I don’t know why, I have a special feeling. We got through
>a
>>difficult group, we got back up after the defeat against
>>Bayern and showed what we are capable of.
>>
>>“Porto are a strong team, but if we play like we did
>against
>>Barcelona we can pass the round.”
>>
>>Finally, Calhanoglu discussed the upcoming Supercoppa
>Italiana
>>clash with Milan.
>>
>>“Finals are special, and we play them with a different
>>spirit. We will go to Riyad to win. I respect Milan, I have
>a
>>good relationship with Pioli, Maldini and Massara.
>>
>>“As a gentleman I congratulated them for the Scudetto won
>>last season. Friends have no colours. But for me that’s
>the
>>past, now I only think of Inter.”
>>
>>
>

  

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26. "There is only one Gigi. But there were others. (Sorry, long swipe)"
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https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/15/the-generation-of-superb-italian-goalkeepers-overshadowed-by-the-emergence-of-gianluigi-buffon/

THE GENERATION OF SUPERB ITALIAN GOALKEEPERS OVERSHADOWED BY THE EMERGENCE OF GIANLUIGI BUFFON
15/07/2019 by JAMES SWEENEY

It’s the afternoon of 19 May 2018, and the 41,000 plus capacity crowd at the Allianz Stadium is surging with emotion. So too is the iconic goalkeeper who departs the pitch in the 63rd minute, waving a final goodbye to the adoring fans he’s given the lion’s share of his glittering career to. Although Gianluigi Buffon’s next career move is uncertain, his decision to depart Juventus and bring an end to one of the beautiful game’s most notorious marriages feels like the end of an era.

Although Buffon would later opt to extend his career in Paris, the then 40-year old’s decision to depart Turin after 17 seasons of unprecedented, unparalleled brilliance was more than enough to put the footballing world in a reflective mood. Now that Buffon was clearly entering the twilight of his career, where did he rank amongst Italy’s, or indeed the world’s, greatest goalkeepers?

If defending in Italy is considered a modern art-form, then goalkeeping – the last line of defence – is no exception. Ever since 1934 when legendary stopper Gianpiero Combi captained his country to World Cup glory, there has rarely been a moment in time when a debate surrounding the world’s greatest goalkeepers does not contain at least one name from Il Bel Paese.

Before Buffon, the benchmark for elite Italian goalkeeping had long been set by Dino Zoff. Zoff was blessed with an unshakable calmness on the pitch and, while he was a phenomenal shot stopper, his exquisite positional sense meant he was rarely forced to make spectacular saves. In the latter years of his career, Zoff’s reputation took on a greater mantle than just that of a quality goalkeeper. His decade-spanning career for both club and country lent him something akin to statesman-like status on the peninsula by the time he captained the Azzurri to World Cup glory in 1982.

From the moment Buffon signed for Juventus from Parma in the summer of 2001 – his £33m transfer fee shattering the world record for a goalkeeper – the temptation to view the Carrara-born stopper as the heir apparent to Zoff, another Juve great, has been too much for many to resist. These notions were rubberstamped when a Buffon inspired Italy lifted their fifth World Cup in 2006, ensuring that Buffon, long considered the finest goalkeeper of his generation, could finally assume equal footballing status to his elder countryman and end the eternal search for the next Zoff.

While there’s no denying that the parallels in career trajectory between Buffon and Zoff create an irresistible lineage-based narrative, that doesn’t go to say that the years in between their respective reigns of terror represented a barren period for Italian goalkeepers. In fact, closer inspection quickly shows that the 1990s were littered with so many top keepers that Sebastiano Rossi – winner of a Champions League, multiple Scudetti and perhaps AC Milan’s greatest keeper- failed to win a single cap for Italy.

In November 1991, Milan legend Arrigo Sacchi took over as manager of the national team and quickly began to phase out Walter Zenga from his role as first choice in the Azzurri goal. Inter legend Zenga, himself part of a famous four-year battle for the number one jersey with Juve’s Stefano Taconi, had been Italy’s first choice for the best part of five years, his defining moment coming at the 1990 World Cup in Italy where he embarked on a record-breaking run of 518 minutes without conceding a goal as the hosts reached the semi-finals.

With nicknames as colourful as Spiderman and Deltaplano – Italian for hang glider – maverick Zenga represented the absolute antithesis, in both style and demeanour, to the stoic Zoff. Whereas Zoff’s cautious efficiency was designed to minimise the need for the spectacular, Zenga was a spring-legged showman with a penchant for producing the sort of highlight reel saves that would be gold dust in the YouTube generation.

Although he perhaps lacked the calming, authoritative demeanour of his predecessor, Zenga’s career was nonetheless filled with individual and team honours. Almost unanimously regarded as Inter’s greatest goalkeeper, Zenga won domestic and European silverware with the Nerazzurri and was named the world’s best goalkeeper in three consecutive seasons by the IFFHS. While Zoff remained the yardstick to which future Italian keepers would be compared, there is no doubt that Zenga’s influence can be seen, to varying levels, in the style of many that succeeded him.

For the rest of the decade, the jersey would be monopolised by two names: Angelo Peruzzi and Gianluca Pagliuca. Part of Sampdoria’s most successful side, Pagliuca had been a key member of the team who had won the club’s first ever Scudetto in 1991 and had impressed greatly in their valiant but unsuccessful attempt to topple Johan Cruyff’s Barcelona in the following year’s European Cup final.

If Zenga and Zoff represent opposite ends of the goalkeeping spectrum, then Pagliuca’s cat-like style was perhaps more indebted to that of Spiderman than it was the Juventus icon. While he may not have been quite as idiosyncratic as his maverick predecessor, Pagliuca was blessed with superb reflexes and the ability to produce spectacular, acrobatic saves at the drop of a hat, not to mention a fiery temper that was straight from the school of Zenga.

Indeed, it was his form for Sampdoria that convinced Sacchi to make him first choice for the 1994 World Cup. Despite a red card against Norway in the second group game threatening to derail his tournament, Pagliuca regained his place from Lazio’s Luca Marchegiani – the most expensive goalkeeper in the world at the time – after his two-game suspension, and went on to have a memorable tournament as Italy progressed to the final.

After famously planting a kiss on the goalpost as a superstitious thank you for saving his blushes from a spilled Mauro Silva shot, Pagliuca became the first person in history to save a penalty in a World Cup final when he dived low to deny Márcio Santos in the shoot-out. Unfortunately, the unforgettable misses of Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio meant that the World Cup would be going to South America as the Sampdoria stopper missed out on football’s ultimate prize.

Pagliuca would follow his World Cup antics by singing for Inter, his £7m fee breaking the transfer record set by his understudy Marchegiani. While his classy performances for the Milan giants did nothing to harm his reputation as an elite goalkeeper, Pagliuca’s grip on the Italian jersey was significantly compromised by the development of Peruzzi in the ensuing years.

At a comparatively small five-foot-eleven, Peruzzi possessed an unorthodox physique for a goalkeeper, his stocky appearance more akin to that of a cruiserweight boxer than a high-level shot-stopper. Nicknamed Il Cinghiale (The Boar) in reference to his brutish build, Peruzzi would use his physical advantages to bully centre forwards and dominate his box. While these strengths may have been easy to predict based on the Roman-born keepers’ appearance, his deceptive athleticism and explosive reactions were completely at odds with his sturdy aesthetic.

To say that Peruzzi, three years Pagliuca’s junior, had a rocky start to his career would be an understatement of some magnitude. A Roma academy graduate, Peruzzi found limited playing opportunities at the Giallorossi and was loaned out to struggling Verona for the 1989/90 season. This proved to be Peruzzi’s breakout campaign, his outstanding performances highlighted by his saving of a Roberto Mancini penalty that kept Verona’s doomed relegation battle alive for a little longer.

Sadly, the promise from the Verona season would be derailed emphatically the following campaign. Shortly after returning to Roma, Peruzzi was suspended for a year after failing a drugs test for Phentermine, an appetite suppressant he began taking following public criticism from the Roma coach about his weight. Reminiscing on the event in 2015, Peruzzi said: “It was the worst shit I’ve done in football. I was wrong, I paid with a year suspension and it was absolutely right.”

Unhappy with the level of backing offered to him by the club, Peruzzi sought to rebuild his career away from Rome after serving his suspension. Any suspicions that the scandal would deter bigger clubs from looking at the young prospect were quickly dispelled when he signed for Juventus at the beginning of the 1991/92 season. It was in Turin that he would establish himself as one of the best goalkeepers on the planet.

Spending his debut season operating largely as back up to long-time Bianconeri keeper Taconi, Peruzzi was given his chance to shine the following year as manager Giovanni Trapattoni instilled him as his first choice – and he never looked back.

After winning the UEFA Cup in his first season, Peruzzi proceeded to win every domestic and European trophy possible in seven years with the Old Lady as the Turinese established themselves as the most dominant force on the continent under Marcello Lippi. His crowning moment came in the 1996 Champions League final against Ajax, where his two decisive saves in the penalty shootout meant Juventus lifted club football’s top prize for only the second time in their illustrious history.

Peruzzi’s exploits meant that he had usurped Pagliuca as Italy’s number one by the time the national side travelled to England for Euro 96. In a tournament largely remembered for its hedonistic backdrop and the hosts swashbuckling style, Italy had a tournament to forget, stuttering their way to a group stage exit.

Despite the disappointing campaign, Peruzzi was in no way to blame for the failure and remained Italy’s number one in the ensuing years. Now widely acknowledged as one of the best keepers around and with two consecutive Serie A Goalkeeper of the Year awards to his name, it looked as though France 98 would finally grant Peruzzi the opportunity to represent his nation at a World Cup. Unfortunately, a last-minute injury ruled him out of the tournament, and it was once again Pagliuca who would provide the last line of Azzurri defence.

Yet again, Pagliuca made the most of his opportunity to shine on football’s biggest stage – his exquisite one-handed stop from a Tore André Flo header against Norway providing one of the saves of the tournament – but Italy would again endure the agony of a penalty shootout defeat, this time against hosts France in the quarter-finals.

With both Peruzzi and Pagliuca still operating near the peak of their powers, it seemed realistic that both men would compete for Italy’s top spot for years to come, until a young pretender named Buffon came along and swept aside all that came before him.

Although the inevitable of rise of the precocious Parma prospect came as little surprise – his jaw-dropping professional debut as a 17-year-old against Milan in 1995 saw him make exceptional saves against figures like Baggio and George Weah – few could have anticipated the speed in which he would put two genuine world-class keepers in the shade as he established himself as Italy’s undisputed number one.

Buffon’s near two-decade run as Italy’s stopper would begin during their Euro 2000 qualifying campaign, and it was an injury on the eve of the tournament that would provide the only notable interruption to his dominance. In a warm-up match against Norway, Buffon broke his finger whilst saving a shot from John Carew, ruling him of the tournament.

With Pagliuca now firmly out of the picture, the expectation would have been for Peruzzi to reclaim the spot he had held for much of the previous five years. However, in an uncharacteristic act of petulance, the 30-year-old had pulled out of the squad prior to Buffon’s injury as he was unwilling to play second fiddle to the Parma man. While this freak set of circumstances would’ve left most nations at crisis point, Italy had an embarrassment of goalkeeping riches during this period and could call on another world-class stopper in the form of Francesco Toldo.

An ever-present member of Fiorentina’s famous 1990s side, Toldo must have wondered if his big chance at international level would pass him by after years playing back-up to Peruzzi, Pagliuca and later Buffon. Standing at a monstrous six-foot-five, Toldo possessed the archetypal look of an imposing goalkeeper and had the talent to go with it.

Beginning his career with Milan, Toldo was never afforded an opportunity to shine with the northern giants and was loaned out on numerous occasions before Fiorentina finally granted him his big break in 1993. Over the next few years, he would establish himself as one of the most important members of an outstanding Viola side that included the likes of Gabriel Batistuta and Rui Costa. Having been a member of Cesare Maldini’s Italy under-21s that won the 1994 European Championship, it was predicted by many that Toldo would emerge as the eventual successor to the Peruzzi-Pagliuca duology.

The emergence of the prodigious Buffon, however, looked to have ended his ambitions for a sustained run at international level before fate dealt him the greatest of hands at the Euros. In a career-defining tournament, Toldo became a national hero as his inspired performances were instrumental in Italy’s route to the final.

His magnum opus was undoubtedly the semi-final performance against hosts Holland. After losing Gianluca Zambrotta to second yellow card early in the game, Italy, despite boasting the mythical magical trio of Alessandro Nesta, Paolo Maldini and Fabio Cannavaro, were powerless to prevent the avalanche of Dutch attacks coming their way. In the game of his career, Toldo made numerous key interventions, the pick of his saves an agile low dive to rebuke Frank de Boer’s penalty, his animated post-save celebrations providing one of the tournaments immortal moments.

His performance in normal time allowed Italy to hold on for a penalty shootout. Unlike the heartbreak experienced by Pagliuca, Toldo became a national hero as he saved two efforts – the first from Paul Bosvelt and then yet again from De Boer – and booked his nation’s place in the final. Although an agonising golden goal from David Trezeguet would see Italy suffer heartbreak at the hands of France once more, Toldo’s place in Italian folklore was secure, with his semi-final performance the greatest moment an Azzurri keeper had enjoyed at a tournament since Zoff had lifted the World Cup in 1982.

Although the rest of their careers would see them overshadowed by Buffon, Peruzzi, Pagliuca and Toldo continued to enjoy domestic football. The older of the three, Pagliuca, was replaced by Peruzzi as Inter keeper in 1999 and moved to hometown club Bologna, where his career enjoyed an Indian Summer. Peruzzi, who followed Lippi to Inter, only spent one season in Milan before Lazio broke the world transfer record for a goalkeeper and brought him back to Rome in a £15.7m deal.

The Lazio Peruzzi signed for were a big-spending, star-studded outfit that had just won the previous season’s Scudetto, but the onset of financial problems slowly eroded their standing as one of Europe’s top clubs. Nevertheless, Peruzzi became a legend during his seven years at the Olimpico and came to be seen as a symbol of stability in an often-chaotic period for the club. Such was Peruzzi’s standing in Italy that, at 36, he was selected as back-up to Buffon by Lippi for Italy’s triumphant World Cup 2006 campaign and was described by his long-time mentor as being “one of the secrets to success”.

After one more season in Florence, where he lifted the Coppa Italia, Toldo signed for Inter for £17m in 2001. His first four seasons cemented his standing as one of Europe’s elite goalkeepers, winning another Coppa Italia as well as producing some exceptional performances in the Champions League. His later years saw him operating as a back-up to Brazilian Júlio César as Inter established themselves as the dominant force in Italy. His final season before retiring was Inter’s infamous treble campaign under José Mourinho in 2009/10, although Toldo only made three cup appearances in total.

While the talents and achievements of these great Azzurri keepers are without question, it is tempting to wonder what sort of legacy each would have enjoyed had their careers not been sandwiched between the unshakable shadows of Zoff and Buffon. Amazingly, Zenga, Peruzzi, Pagliuca and Toldo all made the shortlist for the Ballon d’Or at least once in their careers, showing the esteem they were held in by the footballing world at their respective peaks.

In an era where almost any other national team would have killed to have a goalkeeper the calibre of Toldo, Peruzzi or Pagliuca at their disposal, Italy’s embarrassment of riches resulted in the three stars having to compete with each other – and later Buffon – just to get on the teamsheet.

In any other position, the emergence of two or three world-class players from the same nationality would be cause for euphoria; sadly, Italy’s goalkeeping surplus in this decade arguably compromised each of their international careers. Nevertheless, all these men enjoyed phenomenal careers and were key components in a golden age of Italian goalkeeping, the likes of which we may never see again.

  

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27. "Scudetto is Napolis to lose (Long swipe) "
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Serie A report: Scudetto Napoli’s to lose, special Kvaratskhelia and sorry Sampdoria

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Maurizio Sarri would rather take his dog Ciro for a walk or pick up a John Fante novel.

“I won’t be watching the World Cup,” he said. “I’m too pissed off about what hosting it in Qatar has done to the fixture list.”

The Lazio coach’s cigarette habit hasn’t taken the edge off it.

“I see it as an insult to football. If someone is able to explain to me what the Qataris have done for football, apart from their investment in PSG, I might change my mind.”

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Sarri’s Juventus counterpart, Massimiliano Allegri, was more diplomatic.

“I’m a coach and when they tell me to play, we play. When they tell us to stop, we stop. It’s not like we can do anything about it anyway.”

It was like that in the spring of 2021 when the season was halted for three months by the COVID-19 pandemic, an experience still fresh in the memory and no doubt useful to clubs’ medical departments and fitness coaches.

Old plans for a second, abbreviated pre-season will come in handy again next month, although nobody can predict what effect this break will have on Serie A’s flow.

Napoli are eight points clear and running away with the Scudetto to such an extent that having a World Cup now doesn’t feel so out of joint. The title race seems done and dusted even if nearly two-thirds of the season remain to be played.

So why did Gazzetta dello Sport declare, “It ain’t over,” on Monday?

Well, Juventus in third have won six league games in a row. Inter Milan, who sit fifth, have taken 18 points out of 21.

And the champions, Napoli’s nearest challengers?

“Of course we still believe,” AC Milan technical director Paolo Maldini said after their stoppage-time winner against Fiorentina on Sunday. “Last February, we went into the Derby della Madonnina seven points behind Inter and we managed to win the league. We know it won’t be easy to keep this pace up until the end of the season.”

After all, history is not on Milan’s side. No one with a lead this big after 15 games has failed to win the title.

It has looked very easy at times for Napoli. Too easy. They were 3-0 up inside an hour again on Saturday before the upcoming World Cup and winter holidays allowed a level of complacency to set in. Udinese then scored twice and nearly left the Diego Armando Maradona with a point only to fall short.

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“It doesn’t take much for everything to change,” Napoli coach Luciano Spalletti said. But his team keep surprising him. They’ve seen out complicated games, won away against Milan, Roma and Atalanta, coped with injuries to Amir Rrahmani, Andre-Frank Anguissa, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia and Victor Osimhen.

“Napoli have only dropped four points,” Allegri observed. “They could potentially finish the first half of the season with 53 points, which means no one is winning the league this season with less than 90 points.”

Maybe the Serie A record of 102, set by Antonio Conte in his 2013-14 farewell season at Juventus before taking the Italy job, is in jeopardy.

Advanced metrics show Napoli are over-performing their xG but they are still top of Serie A in terms of xG difference and other key performance indicators.

Beyond Naples, hope rests on Inter beating Spalletti’s men at San Siro in the clubs’ first game back after the World Cup and winter break on January 4. Psychologically, it’d be interesting to see how Napoli react if that happens.

The competition should be sharper come 2023, too. Juventus will have ‘new January signings’ such as Paul Pogba and Federico Chiesa back in the team on a regular basis. Milan could yet rediscover the defensive solidity that underpinned last season’s title win, while summer signing Charles de Ketelaere has more to give.

The Champions League knockout phase may throw a spanner in Napoli’s works as well — Serie A’s last two champions had gone out of that competition in the group stage and were able to focus on domestic matters in the second half of the season.

And yet Napoli appear uncatchable.

Spalletti has won leagues before, in 2010 and 2012 with Russia’s Zenit Saint Petersburg. also He led Roma to a club-record 87 points in his final season there six years ago, a tally (obscured by the drama of Francesco Totti’s retirement) that would have been enough to win the Scudetto in two of the past three years.

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Osimhen currently leads the scorers chart with nine (and would become the third Capocannoniere to play under Spalletti) while the defence was Italy’s joint-stingiest last season with 31 conceded.

It begs the question: should the league even come back after Christmas?

Joking aside, Napoli have exceeded expectations and Kvaratskhelia has been far and away the signing of the season following his move from Dinamo Batumi back home in Georgia, with honourable mentions going to his team-mate Kim Min-jae, Paulo Dybala of Roma and Atalanta’s Ademola Lookman.


Right now, it would be a surprise if this season’s final top four are any different from last year’s.

Atalanta have lost four of their last five games. Roma are already too dependent on Dybala and fly to Japan for winter training winless in three league games, including a defeat in the Rome derby, and with Jose Mourinho in purge mode.

Nevertheless, four points are all that separate Juventus from Roma in seventh. The league is bunched up in some places and stretched out in others. Napoli are in a league of their own, but six teams are in contention for Europe. Ten are in midtable no-man’s land and the bottom three are already cut adrift.

Whatever your persuasion, the plight of two former champions, Verona and Sampdoria, in the latter category and with just five and six points respectively after 15 matches is desperately sad.

Both clubs could do with finding a buyer over the winter and have to draw inspiration from Salernitana’s great escape last season.

Unfortunately, the Harry Houdini of Serie A, Davide Nicola isn’t available to try to save them.

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His next trick has been to turn Salernitana into a team who could finish in the top half of the table. They are 12th, two points behind 10th-place Fiorentina. Nicola has picked up where he left off after losing just one of the last eight games in 2021-22 and would have been talked about more had he not already done the impossible last season.

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Sampdoria are having an awful season and seem destined for the drop (Photo: Matteo Ciambelli/DeFodi Images via Getty Images)
Along with Napoli and Udinese, Salernitana must rank as the team of the season so far, with wing-back Pasquale Mazzocchi establishing himself in an Italy squad that sadly won’t be at the World Cup.

Roberto Mancini will be presiding over friendlies against fellow non-qualifiers Albania and Austria over the next fortnight, and after helping Wilfried Gnonto become the youngest goalscorer in the history of the national team at age 18 back in the summer, he isn’t done yet.

True to style, he has called up Udinese’s 16-year-old playmaker Simone Pafundi on the back of his performances with the Under-17s (four goals and two assists in five appearances).

Born in March 2006, Pafundi was less than four months old when Fabio Cannavaro lifted the World Cup in Berlin. He’ll only be 20 when the US, Canada and Mexico co-host its next edition.

It’s still absurd Italy won’t be in Qatar, their second missed World Cup in a row.

Napoli’s start to the season, the prospect of Italy having its fourth different champions in as many years and the jinking Kvaratskhelia have proven a welcome distraction, so too have the crises at Juventus and Inter.

But now the World Cup is completed , and Serie A can’t come back soon enough.

(Top photo: Filippo Monteforte/AFP via Getty Images)

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30. "8 points up. Amazing squad. They have to see it through."
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Would love to see a nice, 5-year run or so with who they have but Kvaradona is going somewhere for 9 figures this summer or the next.

>https://theathletic.com/3891012/2022/11/15/serie-a-napoli-kvaratskhelia-sampdoria/
>
>
>Serie A report: Scudetto Napoli’s to lose, special
>Kvaratskhelia and sorry Sampdoria
>
>napoli-football
>By James Horncastle
>
>24
>Save Article
>Maurizio Sarri would rather take his dog Ciro for a walk or
>pick up a John Fante novel.
>
>“I won’t be watching the World Cup,” he said. “I’m
>too pissed off about what hosting it in Qatar has done to the
>fixture list.”
>
>The Lazio coach’s cigarette habit hasn’t taken the edge
>off it.
>
>“I see it as an insult to football. If someone is able to
>explain to me what the Qataris have done for football, apart
>from their investment in PSG, I might change my mind.”
>
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
>Sarri’s Juventus counterpart, Massimiliano Allegri, was more
>diplomatic.
>
>“I’m a coach and when they tell me to play, we play. When
>they tell us to stop, we stop. It’s not like we can do
>anything about it anyway.”
>
>It was like that in the spring of 2021 when the season was
>halted for three months by the COVID-19 pandemic, an
>experience still fresh in the memory and no doubt useful to
>clubs’ medical departments and fitness coaches.
>
>Old plans for a second, abbreviated pre-season will come in
>handy again next month, although nobody can predict what
>effect this break will have on Serie A’s flow.
>
>Napoli are eight points clear and running away with the
>Scudetto to such an extent that having a World Cup now
>doesn’t feel so out of joint. The title race seems done and
>dusted even if nearly two-thirds of the season remain to be
>played.
>
>So why did Gazzetta dello Sport declare, “It ain’t
>over,” on Monday?
>
>Well, Juventus in third have won six league games in a row.
>Inter Milan, who sit fifth, have taken 18 points out of 21.
>
>And the champions, Napoli’s nearest challengers?
>
>“Of course we still believe,” AC Milan technical director
>Paolo Maldini said after their stoppage-time winner against
>Fiorentina on Sunday. “Last February, we went into the Derby
>della Madonnina seven points behind Inter and we managed to
>win the league. We know it won’t be easy to keep this pace
>up until the end of the season.”
>
>After all, history is not on Milan’s side. No one with a
>lead this big after 15 games has failed to win the title.
>
>It has looked very easy at times for Napoli. Too easy. They
>were 3-0 up inside an hour again on Saturday before the
>upcoming World Cup and winter holidays allowed a level of
>complacency to set in. Udinese then scored twice and nearly
>left the Diego Armando Maradona with a point only to fall
>short.
>
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
>“It doesn’t take much for everything to change,” Napoli
>coach Luciano Spalletti said. But his team keep surprising
>him. They’ve seen out complicated games, won away against
>Milan, Roma and Atalanta, coped with injuries to Amir
>Rrahmani, Andre-Frank Anguissa, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia and
>Victor Osimhen.
>
>“Napoli have only dropped four points,” Allegri observed.
>“They could potentially finish the first half of the season
>with 53 points, which means no one is winning the league this
>season with less than 90 points.”
>
>Maybe the Serie A record of 102, set by Antonio Conte in his
>2013-14 farewell season at Juventus before taking the Italy
>job, is in jeopardy.
>
>Advanced metrics show Napoli are over-performing their xG but
>they are still top of Serie A in terms of xG difference and
>other key performance indicators.
>
>Beyond Naples, hope rests on Inter beating Spalletti’s men
>at San Siro in the clubs’ first game back after the World
>Cup and winter break on January 4. Psychologically, it’d be
>interesting to see how Napoli react if that happens.
>
>The competition should be sharper come 2023, too. Juventus
>will have ‘new January signings’ such as Paul Pogba and
>Federico Chiesa back in the team on a regular basis. Milan
>could yet rediscover the defensive solidity that underpinned
>last season’s title win, while summer signing Charles de
>Ketelaere has more to give.
>
>The Champions League knockout phase may throw a spanner in
>Napoli’s works as well — Serie A’s last two champions
>had gone out of that competition in the group stage and were
>able to focus on domestic matters in the second half of the
>season.
>
>And yet Napoli appear uncatchable.
>
>Spalletti has won leagues before, in 2010 and 2012 with
>Russia’s Zenit Saint Petersburg. also He led Roma to a
>club-record 87 points in his final season there six years ago,
>a tally (obscured by the drama of Francesco Totti’s
>retirement) that would have been enough to win the Scudetto in
>two of the past three years.
>
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
>Osimhen currently leads the scorers chart with nine (and would
>become the third Capocannoniere to play under Spalletti) while
>the defence was Italy’s joint-stingiest last season with 31
>conceded.
>
>It begs the question: should the league even come back after
>Christmas?
>
>Joking aside, Napoli have exceeded expectations and
>Kvaratskhelia has been far and away the signing of the season
>following his move from Dinamo Batumi back home in Georgia,
>with honourable mentions going to his team-mate Kim Min-jae,
>Paulo Dybala of Roma and Atalanta’s Ademola Lookman.
>
>
>Right now, it would be a surprise if this season’s final top
>four are any different from last year’s.
>
>Atalanta have lost four of their last five games. Roma are
>already too dependent on Dybala and fly to Japan for winter
>training winless in three league games, including a defeat in
>the Rome derby, and with Jose Mourinho in purge mode.
>
>Nevertheless, four points are all that separate Juventus from
>Roma in seventh. The league is bunched up in some places and
>stretched out in others. Napoli are in a league of their own,
>but six teams are in contention for Europe. Ten are in
>midtable no-man’s land and the bottom three are already cut
>adrift.
>
>Whatever your persuasion, the plight of two former champions,
>Verona and Sampdoria, in the latter category and with just
>five and six points respectively after 15 matches is
>desperately sad.
>
>Both clubs could do with finding a buyer over the winter and
>have to draw inspiration from Salernitana’s great escape
>last season.
>
>Unfortunately, the Harry Houdini of Serie A, Davide Nicola
>isn’t available to try to save them.
>
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
>His next trick has been to turn Salernitana into a team who
>could finish in the top half of the table. They are 12th, two
>points behind 10th-place Fiorentina. Nicola has picked up
>where he left off after losing just one of the last eight
>games in 2021-22 and would have been talked about more had he
>not already done the impossible last season.
>
>sampdoria-football
>Sampdoria are having an awful season and seem destined for the
>drop (Photo: Matteo Ciambelli/DeFodi Images via Getty Images)
>Along with Napoli and Udinese, Salernitana must rank as the
>team of the season so far, with wing-back Pasquale Mazzocchi
>establishing himself in an Italy squad that sadly won’t be
>at the World Cup.
>
>Roberto Mancini will be presiding over friendlies against
>fellow non-qualifiers Albania and Austria over the next
>fortnight, and after helping Wilfried Gnonto become the
>youngest goalscorer in the history of the national team at age
>18 back in the summer, he isn’t done yet.
>
>True to style, he has called up Udinese’s 16-year-old
>playmaker Simone Pafundi on the back of his performances with
>the Under-17s (four goals and two assists in five
>appearances).
>
>Born in March 2006, Pafundi was less than four months old when
>Fabio Cannavaro lifted the World Cup in Berlin. He’ll only
>be 20 when the US, Canada and Mexico co-host its next
>edition.
>
>It’s still absurd Italy won’t be in Qatar, their second
>missed World Cup in a row.
>
>Napoli’s start to the season, the prospect of Italy having
>its fourth different champions in as many years and the
>jinking Kvaratskhelia have proven a welcome distraction, so
>too have the crises at Juventus and Inter.
>
>But now the World Cup is completed , and Serie A can’t come
>back soon enough.
>
>(Top photo: Filippo Monteforte/AFP via Getty Images)
>
>What did you think of this story?
>Rate as MEH
>MEH
>Rate as SOLID
>SOLID
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>
>James Horncastle covers Serie A for The Athletic. He joins
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41. "they have some areas to address imo"
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Anguissa/Zielinski/Lobotka have been great, but they need respectable cover. Ndombele has been okay, but they're one injury away from having to change the way they play in midfield and dropping Politano into a CAM position in front of a dbl pivot

same for Di Lorenzo. Olivera and Mario Rui are okay at LB, but one more fullback wouldnt hurt

another CB wouldnt hurt either. Rrahmani is just a guy.

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32. "Haaland and KDB connection reminds me so much of "
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the link up play between Fabregas and Costa at Chelsea under Conte as well
as Mourinho.

Happy for Ake as well. Man I miss that guy.

Good to have pro clubs back.

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33. "I’m not sure why Darwin isnt excelling at Liverpool"
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He is highly talented and has all the tools. Him and Salah should be catching wreck,
but they don’t compliment each other at all….

Maybe it was all Mane after all.

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34. "I love Klopp, but when do you start looking at him?"
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He never spent time honing his knowledge of the game in the peninsula, as far as I know. Unlike Pep.

Which reminds me!

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2020/04/24/when-pep-went-to-italy-the-eventful-two-years-in-serie-a-that-helped-shape-guardiola/

WHEN PEP WENT TO ITALY: THE EVENTFUL TWO YEARS IN SERIE A THAT HELPED SHAPE GUARDIOLA
24/04/2020 by LUKE OSMAN

The love affair ended not with a bang, but a whimper. When the final whistle sounded around the Camp Nou on 24 June 2001, Barcelona crashed out of the Copa del Rey having failed to overcome Celta in the two-legged semi-final. The comprehensive 4–1 aggregate defeat capped two trophyless seasons for the once-great Catalan giants, but more significantly, it represented the denouement of Pep Guardiola’s time at the club.

Barcelona had time to prepare for the midfielder’s exit. Guardiola called a press conference on 11 April to address a room of journalists, alone, to announce that the 2000/01 season would be his last. Having risen through the famous conveyor belt at La Masia, the midfielder amassed 16 titles with his club. Still, a fresh challenge was desired as he entered his 30s, and pastures new awaited.

Guardiola epitomised Barcelona. Principally, his style of play reflected the culture installed by Johan Cruyff during his time in charge of the team; he was intelligent, positionally excellent and was a master of manipulating space on the football pitch. The academy graduate had displayed these attributes throughout his journey from the youth team to the senior setup and was the prototypical La Masia midfielder.

However, times were difficult at the Camp Nou. The 1999/2000 campaign was undeniably a failure – Barcelona did not win the Champions League, LaLiga or the Copa del Rey – and the subsequent season hardly provided much more cause for optimism. The team exited the Champions League in the group stages, fell short in the UEFA Cup, finished fourth in LaLiga and, of course, suffered against Celta in the Copa semis.

It was a disastrous campaign for Barcelona and it was one to forget for Guardiola, too. Injury problems saw him miss all six of his side’s Champions League group matches, and he was unable to replicate his flawlessly efficient showings from previous years. With his contract rapidly approaching its expiration, he decided to take a leap of faith and bid farewell to home comforts.

Guardiola himself was unsure of where football would lead him next. Available on a free, he was not short of offers from potential suitors across Europe, who sought to recruit the experienced Spain international. Following a draining, intense marriage with Barcelona, though, the midfielder was keen to bide his time and sit patiently before jumping into a totally new environment.

After playing his final match for Barça in June, Guardiola waited until September to commit to a club. Perennially calculated in his decision-making, he was desperate to ensure that this move was befitting of his ambitions; the 2002 World Cup was on the horizon and as he approached the twilight of his playing career, it would likely be the final major tournament in which he could involve himself. Regular game time would be essential, and in an attempt to ensure that he would be ready for whatever challenge beckoned, Guardiola employed a personal trainer to put him through his paces during this period as a free agent.

Many expected the Barça legend to join a footballing heavyweight abroad; it was obvious, after all, that he would not play for another club in Spain. However, Guardiola has never done things conventionally and sprung a surprise when he completed a move to middling Serie A club, Brescia Calcio.

Legendary players such as Roberto Baggio and Gheorghe Hagi had adorned the colours of Le Rondinelle, but they remained a somewhat unfashionable, lowly club when pitted against calcio’s many juggernauts. It was a coup for Brescia, who stormed ahead and charmed Guardiola with what they had to offer, on and off the pitch. “The team came looking for me,” the 30-year-old said upon his unveiling. “And wanted me more than anyone else in recent weeks.”

Guardiola was impressed by his new employers’ pursuit of his signature, and the prospect of living in Lombardy intrigued him. Having spent his entire life in the familiar surroundings of Catalonia, he supposedly told his friends that his next destination would be predicated not only on footballing circumstances but on what its culture and lifestyle would represent. Brescia ticked all of the boxes.

Gino Corioni, the club’s president over a 22-year stint, craved having global superstars at the Stadio Mario Rigamonti. He was obsessed with big names and was particularly delighted when he orchestrated the arrival of Baggio from Inter in 2000. Therefore, when Guardiola put pen to paper at Brescia, with six LaLiga medals and a European Cup, among numerous other honours, to his name, Corioni was in his element.

The allure of the club still appeared rather unclear, however. Roma were thought to have been interested in recruiting Guardiola after they clinched the Scudetto in 2000/01, but this particular move was overlooked because of the player’s concerns regarding how much game time he would receive. It was clear that he had one eye on the season ahead, but another on his chances of flying to South Korea and Japan for the World Cup finals.

Nonetheless, Guardiola took to the pitch at Brescia and immediately enchanted his new manager, Carlo Mazzone. The Italian was left stunned by the detail in which his latest arrival would analyse the team’s games, often joining the staff for lengthy conversations after matches, further putting his tactical acumen to the test. While most of Brescia’s players were celebrating wins or bemoaning defeats, Guardiola was obsessively picking apart the 90 minutes, searching for problems and coming up with his own solutions.

Just as the footballing world pondered why the legendary Barça midfielder had switched the glorious surroundings of the Camp Nou for the somewhat less glamorous backdrop of the Stadio Mario Rigamonti, Mazzone was similarly curious as to what brought Guardiola to Brescia. In truth, although the appeal of living life differently in Lombardy had piqued his interest, the dream of playing with one man, in particular, emerged as a key selling point that no other club in Europe could boast at the time: Baggio.

“Mister, I wanted to play with Baggio,” Guardiola told Mazzone, the manager would later recall. “I grew up with the myth of Baggio, they presented me with this opportunity, and I didn’t even think about it for a second.” The pair would enjoy a wonderful working relationship and the Brescia faithful adored them both, enamoured by the sight of their iconic blue strip adorning two of the game’s legendary players.

Guardiola held immense respect for the elusive Italian, whom he was delighted to finally call his teammate, and displayed his affection for the forward on 21 April 2002 in a 3–0 win over Fiorentina. After months on the sidelines, Baggio returned to the Brescia side as Mazzone called upon his star man from the bench. The second half edged towards a tense finish, with the scoreline finely poised at 1–0 courtesy of a first-half goal from Luca Toni. Brescia were in need of points as they aimed to stave off the threat of relegation to Serie B, and Baggio was instructed to consummate a vital victory.

The Stadio Mario Rigamonti rose to shower the attacker with the adulation he had grown accustomed to during his time with Le Rondinelle, but Guardiola went one better. Noticing that the Italian was making his return from a lengthy lay-off, the midfielder removed his captain’s armband and insisted that Baggio took on the responsibility as the team’s leader.

The duo went back and forth on the pitch, generously offering the captaincy to one another while Mazzone furiously instructed them to promptly resolve their lovers’ tiff, until Guardiola eventually got his wish. Baggio, perhaps galvanised by his teammate’s gesture, scored two goals to secure a much-needed win for his club.

Mazzone may not have been especially fond of the romanticism in the middle of such a key fixture, but he acknowledged and appreciated Guardiola’s selflessness, accurately prophesying his future in the dressing room. “Peppe, today we won especially thanks to your gesture,” the manager said to his experienced midfielder. “You will become the best coach in the world.”

Guardiola’s first season in Italy had its positive moments, and he successfully helped his new club finish in 13th place, a point above the drop zone. He played in holding midfield, stationed between the more dynamic, forward-thinking players and the back-line; he would regularly drop deep to collect the ball, keeping things simple and attempting to lay the foundations for the attacking phase.

The team’s forward players made penetrative runs, which Guardiola often found with passes of pinpoint precision, but it was clear then that despite boasting greater tactical intelligence than his teammates, he did not acquit himself with quite the same panache that had proven customary during his glorious spell with Barcelona, perhaps hindered by a lack of genuine continuity at Brescia.

While Guardiola’s stop-start seasons of late had been consequential to the injury problems that riddled him throughout the latter years of his time at Camp Nou, the reasons were far different in 2001/02. Controversy threatened to jeopardise the legacy that the midfielder had constructed after he failed a routine drugs test following Brescia’s 1–0 away win at Piacenza in October 2001, as he tested positive for nandrolone. Having been initially suspended pending a disciplinary hearing, it was revealed that, only two weeks after the victory against Piacenza, he tested positive again after Brescia’s 5–0 loss at Lazio.

Guardiola was suspended for four months, in which he missed 16 games for Brescia. He protested his innocence, vowing to clear his name, and proceeded to embark upon a long-winded legal battle. In 2005, some time after his spell in Italy, he was unsuccessful with his appeal to overturn the charges, which led to a seven-month suspended prison sentence, decided by a Brescia court. Under Italian law, however, Guardiola was not obligated to spend any time in prison, given that it was deemed a first offence and the sentence did not span for longer than two years.

With the help of close friend and confidant Manuel Estiarte, Guardiola thought he had succeeded in 2007 following extensive research into the anti-doping legislation within sport. Again, he stood before a court in Brescia and was this time cleared of all charges, only for the Italian Olympic Committee to reopen the case in 2009. Eventually, Guardiola’s appeal was accepted, and despite being made to wait for nearly a decade, the then-Barcelona manager was cleared of any wrongdoing.

His reputation was tarnished – unjustly, as it would emerge many years late –  in 2001, and he managed only 12 appearances for Brescia in all competitions during his first season on Italian soil. Having played 41 times for Barcelona in 1998/99 and 37 in his final campaign at Camp Nou, such a figure was unusual, and frustrating, for Guardiola. Mazzone and his side suffered without the midfielder: they won only twice in Serie A during this period. Upon his return to the fold, however, the Spain international turned in a typically metronomic performance in a 3–0 victory over Perugia.

Guardiola’s prospects of making the 2002 World Cup suffered enormously because of the scrutiny he had been under throughout the season. Inevitably, he lost his place in the squad for Spain’s final two qualifying matches and was then excluded from José Antonio Camacho’s selection for the tournament, with a certain other La Masia graduate, 22-year-old Barcelona midfielder Xavi, getting the nod instead.

The rejection left Guardiola disappointed, but it did not deter him from identifying the next step in his club career. Roma came knocking in the summer of 2002 and the midfielder jumped at the chance to move to the capital, where he would have the opportunity to play Champions League football again and observe the methods of legendary Italian manager Fabio Capello. Experiencing new lifestyles played a part in Guardiola’s thinking once more; he was excited to switch Brescia for Rome, and he moved to his new home, not far from the Pantheon, absorbing yet more of Italy’s culture.

Roma wanted to sign a new midfielder to bolster their squad following the disappointment of losing the Serie A title to Juventus by one point. I Giallorossi owner Franco Sensi, not dissimilar to Brescia chief Corioni, was a huge admirer of Guardiola and had attempted to lure him to the Stadio Olimpico from Barcelona in 1998. Capello, meanwhile, was unconvinced and preferred more physically-inclined midfielders, wanting to sign Edgar Davids from Juventus – but Sensi’s mind was made.

Mazzone was loath to lose Guardiola and held him in incredibly high esteem. However, when it became apparent that Rome had emerged as a potential destination for the player, the Brescia boss encouraged him to make the move. “Pep, do me a favour,” he told his key man. “If you really don’t want to stay, you have to go to Roma because Roma are the team for you.” Mazzone was in charge of the Italian giants between 1993 and 1996 and was well aware of just how special a club Guardiola would be arriving at.

From a footballing standpoint, however, the transfer was unwise. Capello simply didn’t see a place for his new signing in the starting line-up, and as such, handed Guardiola just six appearances in a 189-day stint in the capital. The midfielder started only two games – one of which came in an undoubtedly stinging 3–0 Champions League defeat to Real Madrid – and was offloaded in the January transfer window.

It was a classic case of a club signing a player for their name rather than their suitability to the philosophy and plans of the manager. Capello was reluctant for Roma to recruit him and this proved to be prevalent in the first half of the campaign. Guardiola was not strong, nor fast, and performed best when he was reliant on his exceptional reading of the game; in many ways, his intelligence masked his physical weaknesses. Unfortunately, Capello’s system demanded more powerful players and, as such, he had little room for the veteran.

With that being said, however, Capello did have plenty of time for him as a professional. There was mutual respect between the two philosophers, with Guardiola often studying the experienced Italian’s approach to management: how he conducted his team talks, his tactical concepts, his relationship with the players.

“He’s one of the few intellectuals I have come across in a dressing room,” Capello said of Guardiola. “Intellectual in that he thinks about a lot of things. A lot about football, of course, but also about literature and other cultural things.” The La Masia graduate had always been a quick thinker, on and off the pitch, and established himself as a leader at Roma despite failing to impose himself on the pitch. ‘There are a lot of players who talk a lot and say nothing,” Capello continued. “Guardiola would find the right things to say.”

Similar sentiments were shared by former Roma attacker Marco Delvecchio. “He was ready to become a coach,” the Italian stated. “If you happened to be sat beside him on the bench listening to him, he always knew where to intervene when things were going wrong for the team. He had a really clear idea of football. He saw how the game would unfold before the others.”

After all, Guardiola was accustomed to watching on from the sidelines and gaining an insight into just what was going right or, as was the case in the 2002/03 season, wrong for Roma given his shortage of game time. “I know the bench of the Stadio Olimpico better than the pitch,” he joked in 2009 when he returned to Rome as the Barcelona boss for the Champions League final against Manchester United.

Capello, against the advice of his assistant Franco Baldini, decided that it would be for the best if Guardiola departed Roma in the January transfer window of the 2002/03 campaign. The midfielder had not been necessarily poor, but he was clearly incompatible with the manager’s approach. A young Daniele De Rossi was surging through the ranks at the Stadio Olimpico, too, and was deemed ready to step into the void left vacated by Guardiola’s impending departure.

De Rossi was fond of his more experienced teammate, though, and lavished praise on his influence at Roma despite claiming that he “wasn’t in his world” at the club. “Despite all that,” the Italian said, “he tried with youngsters like myself and Alberto Aquilani to transmit his idea of football – his principles – which even then were the ones he put in practice at Barcelona.”

Having played only 18 times in as many months in Italy, it came as something of a surprise that Guardiola was keen to extend his Serie A career, completing his second full campaign. Roma deemed him surplus to their requirements and, as such, Brescia needed no second invitation to re-sign him only months after he left.

Guardiola again pulled on the blue strip of Le Rondinelle and looked at ease, spraying passes and initiating attacks for his side. His return handed the team a welcome mid-season boost and helped them along to a ninth-place finish, just seven points adrift of Roma, who endured a dismal campaign and found themselves in eighth.

The 2002/03 season proved to be Guardiola’s last in the top flight of European football, and he quietly headed to Qatar to play for Al Ahli in Doha after agreeing to leave Brescia in the summer. He was certainly still able to compete at the highest level and didn’t look out of place during the second half of the campaign, but a lucrative move presented itself at a time when retirement was certainly edging ever closer. His last venture would lead him to Mexico, where he played ten times for Dorados de Sinaloa, working under Juanma Lillo for a brief period before hanging up his boots in 2006.

Guardiola had developed a strong relationship with Lillo following their encounters in Spain and plumped for what seemed to have been a peculiar destination to close an illustrious playing career. The former Spain international, however, knew exactly what he was doing: he may not have played regularly for Dorados but he sharpened his tactical knowledge by learning from Lillo, as he did during the quiet spell in Rome under Capello. Guardiola never stopped learning and seized the opportunity to gain first-hand experience of how other esteemed coaches within the game carried out their work.

In 2011, many years on from his two stints at Brescia, Guardiola returned. He always retained a fondness for the club and maintained a close relationship with Corioni and his family; this was evidenced by the president’s decision to extend an invitation to the Barcelona manager, offering him the chance to observe Giuseppe Iachini’s training with the team before staying for dinner. Guardiola obliged.

Having transformed Barcelona following a difficult period, the former Brescia midfielder was considered the world’s most exciting manager. As such, Corioni could not resist cheekily asking his former player about the chances of him someday returning to Lombardy to occupy the dugout of the Stadio Mario Rigamonti. “President,” Guardiola said. “If I go back to work in Italy, it will only be to train Brescia. And I will do it for free.”

Though hyperbolic in his vow to Corioni, the 47-time former international was entirely serious about his affection for Brescia and remains grateful for the experiences he enjoyed at the club.

Whether or not Guardiola will return to Italy to test himself as a manager in Serie A remains to be seen. He has dominated in Spain, Germany and England, all while revolutionising the hegemonic playing styles in each of the countries at various times since becoming a coach, and his accomplishments in management have surely rendered his previous qualities as a footballer as secondary.

Nevertheless, the eventful two years comprising challenges and setbacks that Italy threw Guardiola’s way undoubtedly helped to shape him into one of the greatest managers to have ever graced the game. Perhaps the best of Pep in Serie A is yet to come.

  

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>He never spent time honing his knowledge of the game in the
>peninsula, as far as I know. Unlike Pep.
>
>Which reminds me!
>
>https://thesefootballtimes.co/2020/04/24/when-pep-went-to-italy-the-eventful-two-years-in-serie-a-that-helped-shape-guardiola/
>
>WHEN PEP WENT TO ITALY: THE EVENTFUL TWO YEARS IN SERIE A THAT
>HELPED SHAPE GUARDIOLA
>24/04/2020 by LUKE OSMAN
>
>The love affair ended not with a bang, but a whimper. When the
>final whistle sounded around the Camp Nou on 24 June 2001,
>Barcelona crashed out of the Copa del Rey having failed to
>overcome Celta in the two-legged semi-final. The comprehensive
>4–1 aggregate defeat capped two trophyless seasons for the
>once-great Catalan giants, but more significantly, it
>represented the denouement of Pep Guardiola’s time at the
>club.
>
>Barcelona had time to prepare for the midfielder’s exit.
>Guardiola called a press conference on 11 April to address a
>room of journalists, alone, to announce that the 2000/01
>season would be his last. Having risen through the famous
>conveyor belt at La Masia, the midfielder amassed 16 titles
>with his club. Still, a fresh challenge was desired as he
>entered his 30s, and pastures new awaited.
>
>Guardiola epitomised Barcelona. Principally, his style of play
>reflected the culture installed by Johan Cruyff during his
>time in charge of the team; he was intelligent, positionally
>excellent and was a master of manipulating space on the
>football pitch. The academy graduate had displayed these
>attributes throughout his journey from the youth team to the
>senior setup and was the prototypical La Masia midfielder.
>
>However, times were difficult at the Camp Nou. The 1999/2000
>campaign was undeniably a failure – Barcelona did not win
>the Champions League, LaLiga or the Copa del Rey – and the
>subsequent season hardly provided much more cause for
>optimism. The team exited the Champions League in the group
>stages, fell short in the UEFA Cup, finished fourth in LaLiga
>and, of course, suffered against Celta in the Copa semis.
>
>It was a disastrous campaign for Barcelona and it was one to
>forget for Guardiola, too. Injury problems saw him miss all
>six of his side’s Champions League group matches, and he was
>unable to replicate his flawlessly efficient showings from
>previous years. With his contract rapidly approaching its
>expiration, he decided to take a leap of faith and bid
>farewell to home comforts.
>
>Guardiola himself was unsure of where football would lead him
>next. Available on a free, he was not short of offers from
>potential suitors across Europe, who sought to recruit the
>experienced Spain international. Following a draining, intense
>marriage with Barcelona, though, the midfielder was keen to
>bide his time and sit patiently before jumping into a totally
>new environment.
>
>After playing his final match for Barça in June, Guardiola
>waited until September to commit to a club. Perennially
>calculated in his decision-making, he was desperate to ensure
>that this move was befitting of his ambitions; the 2002 World
>Cup was on the horizon and as he approached the twilight of
>his playing career, it would likely be the final major
>tournament in which he could involve himself. Regular game
>time would be essential, and in an attempt to ensure that he
>would be ready for whatever challenge beckoned, Guardiola
>employed a personal trainer to put him through his paces
>during this period as a free agent.
>
>Many expected the Barça legend to join a footballing
>heavyweight abroad; it was obvious, after all, that he would
>not play for another club in Spain. However, Guardiola has
>never done things conventionally and sprung a surprise when he
>completed a move to middling Serie A club, Brescia Calcio.
>
>Legendary players such as Roberto Baggio and Gheorghe Hagi had
>adorned the colours of Le Rondinelle, but they remained a
>somewhat unfashionable, lowly club when pitted against
>calcio’s many juggernauts. It was a coup for Brescia, who
>stormed ahead and charmed Guardiola with what they had to
>offer, on and off the pitch. “The team came looking for
>me,” the 30-year-old said upon his unveiling. “And
>wanted me more than anyone else in recent weeks.”
>
>Guardiola was impressed by his new employers’ pursuit of his
>signature, and the prospect of living in Lombardy intrigued
>him. Having spent his entire life in the familiar surroundings
>of Catalonia, he supposedly told his friends that his next
>destination would be predicated not only on footballing
>circumstances but on what its culture and lifestyle would
>represent. Brescia ticked all of the boxes.
>
>Gino Corioni, the club’s president over a 22-year stint,
>craved having global superstars at the Stadio Mario Rigamonti.
>He was obsessed with big names and was particularly delighted
>when he orchestrated the arrival of Baggio from Inter in 2000.
>Therefore, when Guardiola put pen to paper at Brescia, with
>six LaLiga medals and a European Cup, among numerous other
>honours, to his name, Corioni was in his element.
>
>The allure of the club still appeared rather unclear, however.
>Roma were thought to have been interested in recruiting
>Guardiola after they clinched the Scudetto in 2000/01, but
>this particular move was overlooked because of the player’s
>concerns regarding how much game time he would receive. It was
>clear that he had one eye on the season ahead, but another on
>his chances of flying to South Korea and Japan for the World
>Cup finals.
>
>Nonetheless, Guardiola took to the pitch at Brescia and
>immediately enchanted his new manager, Carlo Mazzone. The
>Italian was left stunned by the detail in which his latest
>arrival would analyse the team’s games, often joining the
>staff for lengthy conversations after matches, further putting
>his tactical acumen to the test. While most of Brescia’s
>players were celebrating wins or bemoaning defeats, Guardiola
>was obsessively picking apart the 90 minutes, searching for
>problems and coming up with his own solutions.
>
>Just as the footballing world pondered why the legendary
>Barça midfielder had switched the glorious surroundings of
>the Camp Nou for the somewhat less glamorous backdrop of the
>Stadio Mario Rigamonti, Mazzone was similarly curious as to
>what brought Guardiola to Brescia. In truth, although the
>appeal of living life differently in Lombardy had piqued his
>interest, the dream of playing with one man, in particular,
>emerged as a key selling point that no other club in Europe
>could boast at the time: Baggio.
>
>“Mister, I wanted to play with Baggio,” Guardiola told
>Mazzone, the manager would later recall. “I grew up with the
>myth of Baggio, they presented me with this opportunity, and I
>didn’t even think about it for a second.” The pair would
>enjoy a wonderful working relationship and the Brescia
>faithful adored them both, enamoured by the sight of their
>iconic blue strip adorning two of the game’s legendary
>players.
>
>Guardiola held immense respect for the elusive Italian, whom
>he was delighted to finally call his teammate, and displayed
>his affection for the forward on 21 April 2002 in a 3–0 win
>over Fiorentina. After months on the sidelines, Baggio
>returned to the Brescia side as Mazzone called upon his star
>man from the bench. The second half edged towards a tense
>finish, with the scoreline finely poised at 1–0 courtesy of
>a first-half goal from Luca Toni. Brescia were in need of
>points as they aimed to stave off the threat of relegation to
>Serie B, and Baggio was instructed to consummate a vital
>victory.
>
>The Stadio Mario Rigamonti rose to shower the attacker with
>the adulation he had grown accustomed to during his time with
>Le Rondinelle, but Guardiola went one better. Noticing that
>the Italian was making his return from a lengthy lay-off, the
>midfielder removed his captain’s armband and insisted that
>Baggio took on the responsibility as the team’s leader.
>
>The duo went back and forth on the pitch, generously offering
>the captaincy to one another while Mazzone furiously
>instructed them to promptly resolve their lovers’ tiff,
>until Guardiola eventually got his wish. Baggio, perhaps
>galvanised by his teammate’s gesture, scored two goals to
>secure a much-needed win for his club.
>
>Mazzone may not have been especially fond of the romanticism
>in the middle of such a key fixture, but he acknowledged and
>appreciated Guardiola’s selflessness, accurately prophesying
>his future in the dressing room. “Peppe, today we won
>especially thanks to your gesture,” the manager said to his
>experienced midfielder. “You will become the best coach in
>the world.”
>
>Guardiola’s first season in Italy had its positive moments,
>and he successfully helped his new club finish in 13th place,
>a point above the drop zone. He played in holding midfield,
>stationed between the more dynamic, forward-thinking players
>and the back-line; he would regularly drop deep to collect the
>ball, keeping things simple and attempting to lay the
>foundations for the attacking phase.
>
>The team’s forward players made penetrative runs, which
>Guardiola often found with passes of pinpoint precision, but
>it was clear then that despite boasting greater tactical
>intelligence than his teammates, he did not acquit himself
>with quite the same panache that had proven customary during
>his glorious spell with Barcelona, perhaps hindered by a lack
>of genuine continuity at Brescia.
>
>While Guardiola’s stop-start seasons of late had been
>consequential to the injury problems that riddled him
>throughout the latter years of his time at Camp Nou, the
>reasons were far different in 2001/02. Controversy threatened
>to jeopardise the legacy that the midfielder had constructed
>after he failed a routine drugs test following Brescia’s
>1–0 away win at Piacenza in October 2001, as he tested
>positive for nandrolone. Having been initially suspended
>pending a disciplinary hearing, it was revealed that, only two
>weeks after the victory against Piacenza, he tested positive
>again after Brescia’s 5–0 loss at Lazio.
>
>Guardiola was suspended for four months, in which he missed 16
>games for Brescia. He protested his innocence, vowing to clear
>his name, and proceeded to embark upon a long-winded legal
>battle. In 2005, some time after his spell in Italy, he was
>unsuccessful with his appeal to overturn the charges, which
>led to a seven-month suspended prison sentence, decided by a
>Brescia court. Under Italian law, however, Guardiola was not
>obligated to spend any time in prison, given that it was
>deemed a first offence and the sentence did not span for
>longer than two years.
>
>With the help of close friend and confidant Manuel Estiarte,
>Guardiola thought he had succeeded in 2007 following extensive
>research into the anti-doping legislation within sport. Again,
>he stood before a court in Brescia and was this time cleared
>of all charges, only for the Italian Olympic Committee to
>reopen the case in 2009. Eventually, Guardiola’s appeal was
>accepted, and despite being made to wait for nearly a decade,
>the then-Barcelona manager was cleared of any wrongdoing.
>
>His reputation was tarnished – unjustly, as it would emerge
>many years late –  in 2001, and he managed only 12
>appearances for Brescia in all competitions during his first
>season on Italian soil. Having played 41 times for Barcelona
>in 1998/99 and 37 in his final campaign at Camp Nou, such a
>figure was unusual, and frustrating, for Guardiola. Mazzone
>and his side suffered without the midfielder: they won only
>twice in Serie A during this period. Upon his return to the
>fold, however, the Spain international turned in a typically
>metronomic performance in a 3–0 victory over Perugia.
>
>Guardiola’s prospects of making the 2002 World Cup suffered
>enormously because of the scrutiny he had been under
>throughout the season. Inevitably, he lost his place in the
>squad for Spain’s final two qualifying matches and was then
>excluded from José Antonio Camacho’s selection for the
>tournament, with a certain other La Masia graduate,
>22-year-old Barcelona midfielder Xavi, getting the nod
>instead.
>
>The rejection left Guardiola disappointed, but it did not
>deter him from identifying the next step in his club career.
>Roma came knocking in the summer of 2002 and the midfielder
>jumped at the chance to move to the capital, where he would
>have the opportunity to play Champions League football again
>and observe the methods of legendary Italian manager Fabio
>Capello. Experiencing new lifestyles played a part in
>Guardiola’s thinking once more; he was excited to switch
>Brescia for Rome, and he moved to his new home, not far from
>the Pantheon, absorbing yet more of Italy’s culture.
>
>Roma wanted to sign a new midfielder to bolster their squad
>following the disappointment of losing the Serie A title to
>Juventus by one point. I Giallorossi owner Franco Sensi, not
>dissimilar to Brescia chief Corioni, was a huge admirer of
>Guardiola and had attempted to lure him to the Stadio Olimpico
>from Barcelona in 1998. Capello, meanwhile, was unconvinced
>and preferred more physically-inclined midfielders, wanting to
>sign Edgar Davids from Juventus – but Sensi’s mind was
>made.
>
>Mazzone was loath to lose Guardiola and held him in incredibly
>high esteem. However, when it became apparent that Rome had
>emerged as a potential destination for the player, the Brescia
>boss encouraged him to make the move. “Pep, do me a
>favour,” he told his key man. “If you really don’t want
>to stay, you have to go to Roma because Roma are the team for
>you.” Mazzone was in charge of the Italian giants between
>1993 and 1996 and was well aware of just how special a club
>Guardiola would be arriving at.
>
>From a footballing standpoint, however, the transfer was
>unwise. Capello simply didn’t see a place for his new
>signing in the starting line-up, and as such, handed Guardiola
>just six appearances in a 189-day stint in the capital. The
>midfielder started only two games – one of which came in an
>undoubtedly stinging 3–0 Champions League defeat to Real
>Madrid – and was offloaded in the January transfer window.
>
>It was a classic case of a club signing a player for their
>name rather than their suitability to the philosophy and plans
>of the manager. Capello was reluctant for Roma to recruit him
>and this proved to be prevalent in the first half of the
>campaign. Guardiola was not strong, nor fast, and performed
>best when he was reliant on his exceptional reading of the
>game; in many ways, his intelligence masked his physical
>weaknesses. Unfortunately, Capello’s system demanded more
>powerful players and, as such, he had little room for the
>veteran.
>
>With that being said, however, Capello did have plenty of time
>for him as a professional. There was mutual respect between
>the two philosophers, with Guardiola often studying the
>experienced Italian’s approach to management: how he
>conducted his team talks, his tactical concepts, his
>relationship with the players.
>
>“He’s one of the few intellectuals I have come across in a
>dressing room,” Capello said of Guardiola. “Intellectual
>in that he thinks about a lot of things. A lot about football,
>of course, but also about literature and other cultural
>things.” The La Masia graduate had always been a quick
>thinker, on and off the pitch, and established himself as a
>leader at Roma despite failing to impose himself on the pitch.
>‘There are a lot of players who talk a lot and say
>nothing,” Capello continued. “Guardiola would find the
>right things to say.”
>
>Similar sentiments were shared by former Roma attacker Marco
>Delvecchio. “He was ready to become a coach,” the Italian
>stated. “If you happened to be sat beside him on the bench
>listening to him, he always knew where to intervene when
>things were going wrong for the team. He had a really clear
>idea of football. He saw how the game would unfold before the
>others.”
>
>After all, Guardiola was accustomed to watching on from the
>sidelines and gaining an insight into just what was going
>right or, as was the case in the 2002/03 season, wrong for
>Roma given his shortage of game time. “I know the bench of
>the Stadio Olimpico better than the pitch,” he joked in 2009
>when he returned to Rome as the Barcelona boss for the
>Champions League final against Manchester United.
>
>Capello, against the advice of his assistant Franco Baldini,
>decided that it would be for the best if Guardiola departed
>Roma in the January transfer window of the 2002/03 campaign.
>The midfielder had not been necessarily poor, but he was
>clearly incompatible with the manager’s approach. A young
>Daniele De Rossi was surging through the ranks at the Stadio
>Olimpico, too, and was deemed ready to step into the void left
>vacated by Guardiola’s impending departure.
>
>De Rossi was fond of his more experienced teammate, though,
>and lavished praise on his influence at Roma despite claiming
>that he “wasn’t in his world” at the club. “Despite
>all that,” the Italian said, “he tried with youngsters
>like myself and Alberto Aquilani to transmit his idea of
>football – his principles – which even then were the ones
>he put in practice at Barcelona.”
>
>Having played only 18 times in as many months in Italy, it
>came as something of a surprise that Guardiola was keen to
>extend his Serie A career, completing his second full
>campaign. Roma deemed him surplus to their requirements and,
>as such, Brescia needed no second invitation to re-sign him
>only months after he left.
>
>Guardiola again pulled on the blue strip of Le Rondinelle and
>looked at ease, spraying passes and initiating attacks for his
>side. His return handed the team a welcome mid-season boost
>and helped them along to a ninth-place finish, just seven
>points adrift of Roma, who endured a dismal campaign and found
>themselves in eighth.
>
>The 2002/03 season proved to be Guardiola’s last in the top
>flight of European football, and he quietly headed to Qatar to
>play for Al Ahli in Doha after agreeing to leave Brescia in
>the summer. He was certainly still able to compete at the
>highest level and didn’t look out of place during the second
>half of the campaign, but a lucrative move presented itself at
>a time when retirement was certainly edging ever closer. His
>last venture would lead him to Mexico, where he played ten
>times for Dorados de Sinaloa, working under Juanma Lillo for a
>brief period before hanging up his boots in 2006.
>
>Guardiola had developed a strong relationship with Lillo
>following their encounters in Spain and plumped for what
>seemed to have been a peculiar destination to close an
>illustrious playing career. The former Spain international,
>however, knew exactly what he was doing: he may not have
>played regularly for Dorados but he sharpened his tactical
>knowledge by learning from Lillo, as he did during the quiet
>spell in Rome under Capello. Guardiola never stopped learning
>and seized the opportunity to gain first-hand experience of
>how other esteemed coaches within the game carried out their
>work.
>
>In 2011, many years on from his two stints at Brescia,
>Guardiola returned. He always retained a fondness for the club
>and maintained a close relationship with Corioni and his
>family; this was evidenced by the president’s decision to
>extend an invitation to the Barcelona manager, offering him
>the chance to observe Giuseppe Iachini’s training with the
>team before staying for dinner. Guardiola obliged.
>
>Having transformed Barcelona following a difficult period, the
>former Brescia midfielder was considered the world’s most
>exciting manager. As such, Corioni could not resist cheekily
>asking his former player about the chances of him someday
>returning to Lombardy to occupy the dugout of the Stadio Mario
>Rigamonti. “President,” Guardiola said. “If I go back to
>work in Italy, it will only be to train Brescia. And I will do
>it for free.”
>
>Though hyperbolic in his vow to Corioni, the 47-time former
>international was entirely serious about his affection for
>Brescia and remains grateful for the experiences he enjoyed at
>the club.
>
>Whether or not Guardiola will return to Italy to test himself
>as a manager in Serie A remains to be seen. He has dominated
>in Spain, Germany and England, all while revolutionising the
>hegemonic playing styles in each of the countries at various
>times since becoming a coach, and his accomplishments in
>management have surely rendered his previous qualities as a
>footballer as secondary.
>
>Nevertheless, the eventful two years comprising challenges and
>setbacks that Italy threw Guardiola’s way undoubtedly helped
>to shape him into one of the greatest managers to have ever
>graced the game. Perhaps the best of Pep in Serie A is yet to
>come.
>
>

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36. "Had no idea Pep was allegedly juicing"
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>While Guardiola’s stop-start seasons of late had been consequential to the injury problems that riddled him throughout the latter years of his time at Camp Nou, the reasons were far different in 2001/02. Controversy threatened to jeopardise the legacy that the midfielder had constructed after he failed a routine drugs test following Brescia’s 1–0 away win at Piacenza in October 2001, as he tested positive for nandrolone. Having been initially suspended pending a disciplinary hearing, it was revealed that, only two weeks after the victory against Piacenza, he tested positive again after Brescia’s 5–0 loss at Lazio.

Guardiola was suspended for four months, in which he missed 16 games for Brescia. He protested his innocence, vowing to clear his name, and proceeded to embark upon a long-winded legal battle. In 2005, some time after his spell in Italy, he was unsuccessful with his appeal to overturn the charges, which led to a seven-month suspended prison sentence, decided by a Brescia court. Under Italian law, however, Guardiola was not obligated to spend any time in prison, given that it was deemed a first offence and the sentence did not span for longer than two years.

With the help of close friend and confidant Manuel Estiarte, Guardiola thought he had succeeded in 2007 following extensive research into the anti-doping legislation within sport. Again, he stood before a court in Brescia and was this time cleared of all charges, only for the Italian Olympic Committee to reopen the case in 2009. Eventually, Guardiola’s appeal was accepted, and despite being made to wait for nearly a decade, the then-Barcelona manager was cleared of any wrongdoing.

  

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37. "his technique is poor as shit"
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he makes the right reads, runs into the ground, but when it's comes to putting foot to ball he is god fucking awful

Salah is a finisher not an engine/hub like Mane

and they didnt replenish the midfield at all. pretty simple really.

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38. "Hmm, perhaps Liverpool’s success was mostly due to"
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Mane’s skill and work rate?

They have issues at every level from the back defenders to
the front attackers.

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42. "5G and 2A in his first 10 PL games is somehow below expectations?"
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3G in 6 CL games not enough?

tough crowd

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39. "London is located in an alluvial plain."
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Over tens of thousands of years, sediment deposited by the Thames flattened its gorge as it descended from the highlands west, creating the plain on which London was established. Modern-day London rests only a few meters above sea level. The neighborhood of Chelsea itself rises a mere 15 meters (about 50 feet) above sea level.

Hence, there are no mountains in Chelsea. Just flat. Flat.

Flat.

  

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40. "Oh, there is a mountain my friend."
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And it is glorious in all of its splendor.

At the the apex sits a Champions League!

Bask in all of its glory and you shall know victory.

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44. "Boxing Day tomorrow, mofos!"
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Time for the mighty Arsenal to do their annual collapse.

Buck, who do you watch on Boxing Day?….

Probably a team called Southshire FC from a province of 200 people and
play in the 10th division.

FOH.

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45. "Boston United, this season."
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Currently hanging around 16th or so in Conference North, which is disappointing. Disappointing enough that they sacked their previous manager a few months ago and brought in Norwich City legend Ian Culverhouse...who may or may not be the right guy to get them back in the top half. Really, they should be contending for promotion, but Culverhouse has never shown he's the manager for that. But he should at least keep them away from relegation.

I myself took command of the Pilgrims in an FM campaign a few years ago...think I got them to League 2 before the absence of a population base and insufficient team infrastructure made further promotion too difficult.

  

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46. "Not today bro:"
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>Time for the mighty Arsenal to do their annual collapse.

Obviously January may be different. Will def need a player (mudryk) or two in the window

Would be nice to get Smith Rowe going too

  

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49. "Dušan Vlahović might be on the way, Juve fans acting like it’s done ..."
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Big if true


>>Time for the mighty Arsenal to do their annual collapse.
>
>Obviously January may be different. Will def need a player
>(mudryk) or two in the window
>
>Would be nice to get Smith Rowe going too

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47. "Gakpo to Liverpool:"
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https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1607495565641744391?s=46&t=84wSiBv_nRSmcfLPpzm5SA

  

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48. "Nunez is trash, so they had to fix that. "
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Still hearing he wanted United but PSV didn't.

Oh well, we need a true striker. He's not that.

  

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50. "rumblings from PSV indicate his agent wanted that"
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because his personal come-up would've been greater

that being said, people remember how it went with Memphis and both the club and the fans want the academy products to succeed when they move on

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51. "word. either way, i don't think he was the guy for us."
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so, that being said, i'm totally cool w/ Liverpool "stealing" him.

  

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52. "it depends whats being asked of him"
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if Man U wanted him to be a traditional 9, im not sure thats best for anyone. he and Luke Shaw would be good together, but who would he cross to from the wing?

liverpool tho, he fits with what they do in a couple different spots. obviously on the wing, but he can also drop a little deeper in the middle similar to what firmino does.

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56. "He would be redundant with us. He isn’t a true 9"
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Liverpool needs a ball carrier and wide scorigg by threat like him to replace what Mane brought. Great fit

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53. "50M altogether, significantly less than I'd hoped for 😒"
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54. "Mason MOUNTain! "
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I warned you mofos! That I did.

If you have not prepared yourself for the onslaught, carnage is inevitable!

What a game he had!

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55. "finally a chelsea manager didn't do the square peg round hole thing"
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each player was in their correct/best position, including mount.

  

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57. "Ronaldo to Saudi Arabia on a 3/200 milli deal."
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Damn!

600 milli for 3 years to play in front of the Crown Prince and his staff…

Not too shabby to close out one’s career.

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58. "Wrong , as usua"
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Cristiano Ronaldo completes $75 million-per-year move to Saudi club: 'Vision that Al Nassr has is inspiring'
By James Benge & Ben Jacobs
4h ago

2 min read

Cristiano Ronaldo has signed for Saudi Arabian side Al Nassr.

In a move that will effectively signal the end of his top level playing career but will ensure he is extremely well remunerated as his retirement approached, Ronaldo put pen to paper on a contract for the Riyadh club on Friday afternoon. The deal, understood to run to 2025, ends a brief free agency period for the 37-year-old, whose Manchester United contract was terminated last month.

Sources with knowledge of the negotiations say that Ronaldo has already completed the parts of his medical necessary to sign his contract while a second set of tests are expected to take place next week. In announcing the deal, the club simply tweeted that "the world's greatest athlete officially signed for ."


A subsequent statement added: "History in the making. This is a signing that will not only inspire our club to achieve even greater success but inspire our league, our nation and future generations, boys and girls to be the best version of themselves. Welcome Cristiano to your new home."

CBS Sports first revealed the $75 million a year offer in November, when Ronaldo was still assessing his options in Europe and beyond. No other serious suitors emerged and this week has seen the Portugal international iron out the final terms of a contract that will see him wield significant sway at the Saudi club.


The logistics behind Ronaldo's move to Saudi Arabia have long since been firmed up by the club, including a home for the striker and his family in an affluent area close to the training ground. In addition to a salary worth well in excess of $1million a week, Ronaldo's earnings could more than double through the sale of his image rights. He is also expected to have a role in the Saudi bid for the 2030 World Cup.

At club level, Ronaldo's authority will be vast, with one source joking that Al Nassr would become "Cristiano FC". If the veteran striker wants a new coach then that is what he will have. Recent events have proven that he is not exactly shy when it comes to voicing his opinion of management.

"I'm thrilled for a new experience in a different league and a different country, the vision that Al Nassr has is very inspiring," said Ronaldo. "I'm very excited to join my teammates, and to help the team to achieve more success."


Ronaldo is coming off a disappointing World Cup where despite Portugal's run to the quarterfinals, the superstar lost his starting job as the tournament entered the knockout stages. The tournament coincided with the end of his second stint at Manchester United following his termination after an incendiary interview in which he blasted club manager Erik ten Hag and others. Contact between Ronaldo and Al Nassr began over the summer but the striker was still looking for a destination to ply his trade in Europe and keep him at the pinnacle of the game ahead of November's World Cup in Qatar. With no offers available he returned to United where the awkward marriage quickly soured, and now that the World Cup has ended, he has taken Al Nassr up on their offer to begin the next stage of his career.



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59. "Per NBC"
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https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2022/12/30/cristiano-ronaldo-signs-200-million-per-year-deal-with-al-nassr-report/amp/

“Previous reports claimed that Ronaldo would be paid $207 million per season. New reports claim that Ronaldo will be guaranteed $75 million per year for his on-field services, with the potential to reach a sum in the neighborhood of $200 million through commercial agreements with the club.”

They broke it stating he signed for 200 million a year

So he will be making 200 mill a year through the TOTAL agreement
with the the club.

Learn to read and research before you respond and make a fool of yourself….go play somewhere else and leave futbol to people who know it….you try so hard to
be accepted.

Now sit there and look stupid.

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60. "Lmao you a British crown shoe licking fuckface "
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..who has been called out numerous times for posting fake swipes fake articles and made up bullshit

Not to mention illiterate


>https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2022/12/30/cristiano-ronaldo-signs-200-million-per-year-deal-with-al-nassr-report/amp/
>
>“Previous reports claimed that Ronaldo would be paid $207
>million per season. New reports claim that Ronaldo will be
>guaranteed $75 million per year for his on-field services,
>with the potential to reach a sum in the neighborhood of $200
>million through commercial agreements with the club.”
>
>They broke it stating he signed for 200 million a year
>
>So he will be making 200 mill a year through the TOTAL
>agreement
>with the the club.
>
>Learn to read and research before you respond and make a fool
>of yourself….go play somewhere else and leave futbol to
>people who know it….you try so hard to
>be accepted.
>
>Now sit there and look stupid.
>

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61. "Per every other news source on the internet , literally "
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https://imgur.com/a/iKj8vIz

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63. "I’m going to explain it to you one last time because I know "
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you’re slow.

His contract also includes an endorsement deal that will put him at 200 million a
year. It’s in the report.


Now Fock off.

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62. "Wow. Everton did the impossible today."
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They have been flat out awful this year, but they
managed to get a draw, and on the road at that.

Newcastle lost points, too, today….

We will be top 4 before January is out.

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64. "So I'm actually becoming a Gunner believer."
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Brighton don't normally just get wrecked, but they sure are right now, though as I type this, Mitoma put one in. Still...

Thought like a lot of people Arsenal were still a couple of years off, and still don't think they could withstand many injuries, but damn...it's a good team.

  

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65. "7 points clear on NYD."
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crazy.

  

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66. "You guys will face three straight tough EPL matches "
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next month. There will be Ls.

Newcastle, Spurs, and ManU

I love it!

Now if you guys bowl through them without a loss or draw, then yeah the league is
yours.

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67. "Realistically, if they get >5pts from those 3"
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>Newcastle, Spurs, and ManU

And get a player or two (Felix on loan with option to buy, + cover for partey or xhaka), then I’ll start dreaming.

  

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68. " toppa ‘da MF’n table!"
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Oddi working on locking that POY award too

  

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69. "Congrats on the title "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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70. "RE: Congrats on the title "
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LOL

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72. "Chelsea looks lost w/o james"
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74. "He drives the attack along the flank and is a great crosser,"
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and he plays great defense….

Have no idea how we drew against a bottom feeder.

Spurs dropped points and Man City dropped points …as well as
Brighton…We were in prime position to continue gain.

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71. "This Unai Emery thing is working out"
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9 points from 12. Games being managed rather than the manager “just hoping for a moment of magic.” And we’ve had the best keeper in the world out for the last two games!

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73. "They handled them too."
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Nothing lucky about that win. Just took care of business.

  

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75. "that second goal man"
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Great interception by Kamara (who has been INCREDIBLE since Emery started), the pause from McGinn before chipping to Douglas, and then that two-touch finish… beautiful stuff.

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76. "McKennie trading La Vecchia for the Villa?"
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Would LOVE to see it.

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77. "Spain not bringing De Gea to the WC has to go down..."
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as one of the dumbest roster decisions of that tournament.

  

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108. "Eh, he's still giving up goals like Everton just now"
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>as one of the dumbest roster decisions of that tournament.

  

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109. "see this is why you can't support people, LOL. "
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78. "Claudio Reyna really done fucked up. "
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Just straight up Marinoviched his kid.

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79. "Damn. What a foul thing to do."
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>Just straight up Marinoviched his kid.

  

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80. "sheesh what a mess. still Free Gio and fire Gregg"
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81. "Who would pick him now?"
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You've gotta worry about him or his family doing opp research on everyone in the squad. All because he couldn't grasp the opportunity of being part of the World Cup squad.

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82. "^this^"
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83. "Why Free Gio? "
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You can get similar production out of Aaronsen and Weah with none of the headaches.

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85. "man, teams have been putting up with headache players..."
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for decades just fine.

we can too.

you still need the most talented people on the pitch.

  

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86. "HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH YET TO BE THAT HEADACHE."
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You're talking about him like he's gonna be the American Messi. All he might be is Mason Mount.

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87. "and, as much *I* love to clown Mason Mount and his fans (HI L STAH)..."
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if Mason Mount was an American he'd be at least the 2nd best player on the team.

so what are you saying?

Reyna is arguably the BEST American player when healthy.

so, i think, when it comes to American talent? finding a way to have him on the team IS worth the headache RIGHT TODAY (and that's assuming he'll be a headache going forward).

also, FUCK GREGG BERHALTER. we surely shouldn't be Captain Save A Hoe'ing a terrible coach over Gio Reyna, that's for damn sure.

  

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88. "Mason Mount relative to the USMNT, not Mason Mount empirically"
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89. "And I'd also take Gregg over Bruce or Klinsi any day"
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90. "not me, but hey, it's a tough choice when all the coaches suck."
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for me? Gregg the worst of all of them (i don't care that he got us wherever he got us).

but hey, who cares. he's gone. good riddance. i hope he never comes near the USMNT again.

  

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94. "statistically Berhalter is the best coach we’ve ever had"
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I didn’t believe it until I saw it either.

But he’s got the team on a 71.18% win percentage. Arena was at 66.55%; Klinsmann at 64.25%. The US averages 1.96 goals per game and 0.62 allowed. Arena is 1.64 and 0.75. Klinsi at 1.82 and 1.11.

I really don’t understand the hate for Gregg.

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95. "he also has the best pool of talent the USMNT has had."
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so yeah, a team w/ more talent is likely to have better stats.

stats? throw all the stats at me i don't care.

his selections are terrible and his tactics are worse.

  

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97. "Speaking of, the hell is this thing between Berhalter and the Reynas?"
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Evidently Berhalter got drunk and kicked his future wife way back in college, which got sorted out and they've been married for 25 years, but Reyna Sr. and his wife evidently put that back out in the media as revenge or something for not playing Gio in the WC? Am I understanding this correctly?

  

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98. "yep thats pretty much it"
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100. "If you're telling me you'd take the current forwards over Deuce/Donovan "
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you're a gotdamn liar. Shit, even Jozy would have been an improvement in the World Cup.

This group is certainly more PROMISING, but we've had more match-winners under Bruce n Bob than we have now.

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101. "you're proving my point."
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the forwards he brought vs. who he didn't bring?

FUCKING TRASH.

he shoulda been fired for that alone.

  

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102. "Pepi and Pefok weren't guaranteed to do any better "
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104. "NO ONE IS GUARANTEED TO DO ANYTHING."
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they're still the better selections.

like, might as well at least START with the better players.

  

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112. "the people in charge of USSF dont make money marketing Eredivisie guys"
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as long as USSF has financial stake in MLS, this problem will transcend any one coach

Walker Zimmerman was this year's Kyle Beckerman, the MLS player who absolutely belongs and carried the chip on his shoulder to prove it to everyone. beyond that, those are concessions to the business partners in MLS.

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111. "im not sure what that means"
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if you mean guys older than this, then sure

but if you told me right now i could have the unknown future of Pulisic and any one of Weah/Aaronson/Reyna or the guaranteed careers of Dempsey and Donovan...im taking the current dudes 10 out of 10 times

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113. "over Dempsey and Donovan? "
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LOL

2 of the greatest American soccer players to ever play the game. If Davies doesn’t
get into that auto accident, America goes on to win a World Cup or get to the finals

That team was ready and willing..They beat Spain and gave Brazil a handful in the Confed cup.

No current American player is seeing Dempsey or Donovan…

Main reason why I don’t watch this current American generation or keep up with the Men’s
team anymore…..they are all hype, no substance. I’m not saying they aren’t talented,
but they just don’t have the whole package like previous generations.


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125. "its such an easy yes that im surprised anyone would say otherwise"
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>2 of the greatest American soccer players to ever play the
>game.

and yet all these 23 year olds just did everything they ever did, barring one lucky draw vs a CONCACAF team in the rd of 16

>If Davies doesn’t
>get into that auto accident, America goes on to win a World
>Cup or get to the finals

LMAO dont be a fucking buffoon for once in your pitiable life

>Main reason why I don’t watch this current American
>generation or keep up with the Men’s
>team anymore…..they are all hype, no substance. I’m not
>saying they aren’t talented,
>but they just don’t have the whole package like previous
>generations.

there are 4-5 players in the current lineup that have already accomplished more professionally than both of them put together

ill take that as it develops, as would any sensible person

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152. "Donovan would have had EPL success "
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but he didn’t want to live overseas. Everton practically begged him to stay, but he went
on to have great success in MLS. He won 6 MLS cups! US soccer player of the
year 4 times. He scored 137 goals as a pro.

Pulisic will never see that number because he is too damn injury prone and doesn’t
have physical strength as a player. Donovan was way tougher and durable.
Pulisic is 24 years and has scored 33 club goals.

The greatest win in USMNT history is when they beat Spain, the same team that went
on to win the WC in 2010.. and don’t forget the team making it to the WC Quarterfinals
in 2002 where Landon Donovan was superb…Donovan scored 57 goals during his
international career. Donovan is the only player to surpass 50 goals and 50 assists
for his country, and he has the most career assists and career goals

Donovan is the most successful American soccer player of all time, followed by Clint Dempsey…and both were voted 1/2 greatest american soccer players of all time. Pulisic
came in 7th

What current American player has more club and international success than Donovan??

No one. …not one single player is seeing Landon Donovan or Clint Dempsey

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99. "because he's better than them. let the kid spin already or find"
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a new manager that can manage all of this. Gregg is nothing special and we shouldnt kneecap our future for him doing the bare minimum as if its some sort of accomplishment.

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84. "Inter - Napoli seems awful big for the first week of January "
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moreso for Inter, whose title hopes need a serious injection of life. going down 14 points might be a death sentence.

Napoli can afford a loss with that cushion, but "same old Napoli" is always 90 minutes away. there may be enough oblivious new blood like Kvara and Kim to not carry that with them...but there might not be.

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91. "Eden Dzeko has been a boon for us , he still playing at a high level tha..."
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>moreso for Inter, whose title hopes need a serious injection
>of life. going down 14 points might be a death sentence.

Lol we are dead men walking and this January / Summer transfer window 🪟 is going to make Interisti cry . And now Lukaku dumbass saying he wants to finish his career in Milan . No thank you . Send him back to that dogshit Zionazi club in London , thanks for the scudetto but fuxk off

NON CONTA CHI CON LA PIOGGIA SCAPPA, CONTA CHI NELLA TEMPESTA RESTA

>Napoli can afford a loss with that cushion, but "same old
>Napoli" is always 90 minutes away. there may be enough
>oblivious new blood like Kvara and Kim to not carry that with
>them...but there might not be.

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110. "i had that thought too. what a warrior"
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i actually thought Lukaku looked really good considering the layoff

when he's at max fitness, that group of attackers (Lukaku, Lautaru, Dzeko, Correa) is real real good

that was a really nice win. the defense was top notch, and if Dumfries plays instead of Darmian thats a 2 or 3 goal win

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92. "RIP VIK"
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my fellow Barça cule. Just saw the post over in GD. He'll be missed around here

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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93. "U serious?"
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We used to talk mad shit.

What was the cause of death?

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107. "That's sad news."
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Don't actually know anyone on these boards IRL, but always feels like I do when a long-timer moves on.

  

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96. "All of a sudden Nottingham Forest are world beaters."
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SMH.

Arsenal with the draw.

NC might be a serious threat. They have 8 draws!


We can’t afford anymore slip ups. We had a chance to gain some serious points
that would have put us 7 points off of top 4.

Right out the gate we had a chance to gain significantly….but Potter pissed the POT!

Pun all the way intended.

Time to lump up MU!





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103. "Solid defense…terrible offensive effort."
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God damn it. Yeah, firing Tuchel was the answer (smh). We’re going to be
focking 15th
at this rate.

Todd Boehly signed a 21 year old defender to a 7 1/2 year
contract! This isn’t baseball, Todd!

We’re failing on the field and in the business room .

He is flat out wrecking my Chelsea.



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105. "Chelsea lived in an alternate reality under Roman"
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It was inevitable that Daddy wouldn't be around forever to throw around his billions for the fuck of it.

This is what a rebuild looks like. Luckily the new owners have money too. But it seems like they are trying to lay a foundation first instead of just buying the hot name on the market.

Chelsea fans are incredibly spoiled. The message boards are full of grown men crying like children after one down year. It's pretty funny actually. But yeah, Chelsea will be fine.


  

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106. "Daddy’s money? Roman stopped pumping money "
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into Chelsea around 2013 due to financial fair play! That expression is old as day.
Chelsea was able to spend money due to the great business deals behind closed doors
that generated lucrative revenue.

Also, Roman knew soccer, and knew how to put the right people in place to build a soccer
empire… From Michael Emanelo to Bruce Buck to Marina to Cech…He had knowledgeable
people in place to make all the right moves on and off the field.

You are wayyyyy off and on how Chelsea was built. Money isn’t the issue. It’s the
intelligence or lack there of - that’s the issue! Roman owned Chelsea for close to
22 years, near a quarter of a century. Roman was Chelsea and Chelsea was Roman.
He was the logo, just like Queen Elizabeth was the logo of England.

We have an owner who knows absolutely nothing about soccer, and
doesn’t know how to put the right people in place because he THINKS he
can do it himself. Money means nothing if you don’t now how to spend it.

That is what killed MU after Fergie left.

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114. "We are trash. "
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This American is destroying a legacy.

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116. "A year or two in the championship will do them good."
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Cut some dead weight, get some young guys some experience, bounce right back up. Works for Norwich.

  

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117. "hear hear "
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>Cut some dead weight, get some young guys some experience,
>bounce right back up. Works for Norwich.

  

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118. "I don’t have the energy for you today. "
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119. "I'm trying to be positive."
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An added bonus, as a neutral, was that I got to see all these City players I never even knew existed, because I generally only watch City matches when they're playing upper-half sides. So thanks to Chelsea, I now know who Cole Palmer is.

  

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120. "You should go into show business."
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NM

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121. "Bears got 1st pick, u should be happy 😆 "
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122. "It doesn’t matter. The position is irrelevant for both "
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team anyway…1 or 2.

Bears will draft the top edge rusher and Texans will draft a QB

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123. "Before I forget, been meaning to ask you this:"
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What’s the order with the below?

>Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

Top 3 has to be Bulls>Bears >>>white sox, followed by Chelsea & I don’t give AF about the rest really, right?

  

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124. "RE: Before I forget, been meaning to ask you this:"
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Tier 1

BEARS
SOX
CHELSEA
NOTRE DAME football
ILLINOiS basketball

Those teams mean a lot to me.



I’m a Bulls fan by default, but I hate the color red….but they aren’t that important
to me like my other teams.

Chicago is a BEARS town first and foremost and it’s not even close.

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126. "a decent 15 year run funded by Russian oligarchy =/= legacy"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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127. "A Russian Zionazi Oligarch too on top of it"
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131. "The two of you absolutely know shit about futbol."
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but you guys try so hard.

The past decade, Chelsea won more trophies than any other EPL team.

Chelsea – 11 Major trophies

The Blues have much to thank Roman Abramovich for the success they have had over the past decade, which makes them the most successful English club, in terms of trophies won.

Also, Chelsea have won 19 trophies during Abrahmovich’s tenure, 11 of which came in the last ten years.



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135. "He said the last 15 years , you described the last 10"
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Thanks for confirming it .

Can’t wait to send Lukakus fat ass back to that shithole too.

I hate having to watch him celebrate alongside Dzeko and Barella , smiling like a 🐍

Versare alla traditora indeed



>but you guys try so hard.
>
>The past decade, Chelsea won more trophies than any other EPL
>team.
>
>Chelsea – 11 Major trophies
>
>The Blues have much to thank Roman Abramovich for the success
>they have had over the past decade, which makes them the most
>successful English club, in terms of trophies won.
>
>Also, Chelsea have won 19 trophies during Abrahmovich’s
>tenure, 11 of which came in the last ten years.
>
>
>
>

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138. "Learn to read. It would help."
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“Also, Chelsea have won 19 trophies during Abrahmovich’s tenure”

Only team to rival that in the past 23 years in the EPL is MU.

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139. "Zero tradition , zero history , zero class nm"
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>“Also, Chelsea have won 19 trophies during Abrahmovich’s
>tenure”
>
>Only team to rival that in past 23 years in the EPL is MU.

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136. "i know i was already a legal drinking age adult"
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before Chelsea won anything worth caring about with their influx of dirty money

and thats all undeniable fact

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128. "LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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140. "Welcome back to, as you say, the middle table"
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Right back to where y'all were before Roman showed up.

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115. "Fuckin Stevenage man. "
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Fully deserved! Can’t fuck around with the ball at the edge of your own area like that and expect to get away with it.

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129. "Damn, Joao Felix to Chelsea:"
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https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1612477317351178244?s=46&t=7Hf2cOqguyf1W2VPUbZNVQ

  

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130. "surprising. who's in charge at MU right now though?!?!"
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we're actually not making desparation signings. this is new territory for us.

  

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132. "One can only hope it turns into a Fabregas situation, like"
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how Fabregas was forgotten about in Barca, so his value dropped. We got him
for cheap, and he turned into the best assist man in the EPL and a Chelsea legend.

He is very inconsistent, but it’s a loan deal, and it’s cheap….so he is worth investigating.

We shall see.

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133. "Fabregas was not forgotten about at Barca..."
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He didn't fit. They made a dumb-decision, a vanity signing, bringing him in. Because such a big deal was made out of it (A product of La Masia returning home), and because of his profile (Arsenal's captain), they had to shoe-horn him into positions that weren't right for him. But shoe-horn they did. We played a 4-3-3 and he was never going to displace any of the midfield trio of Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets so they forced him into the front line or had him play a false-9. It didn't work.They sacrificed future stars (Thiago leaving can largely be seen as a by-product of Fabregas' return) to bring him in and they tried their damnedest to make it work. It just didn't. He was absolutely not "forgotten about"

For a person so quick to tell others how they "don't know shit about futbol..."

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134. "His ability was forgotten about during his time at Barca due to "
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him not working out, and the fans turned on him and didn’t want him. He even stated it:

“But at the end I realized that the majority of Barca fans didn’t like me anymore, and so I had to make a step aside.” Link provided.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/cesc-fabregas-i-signed-for-chelsea-because-barcelona-fans-didn-t-like-me-anymore-a3114996.html

The Chelsea playmaker made an immediate impact in England, playing a crucial role as the creative force in Jose Mourinho’s title-winning side.”


That is what I meant about forgotten about by the world. He was no longer
considered as one of the best in the world like he was PRIOR to going to
Barca.

So his value dropped. He went to Barcelona on a higher deal, like 35-40 mil I believe…
and we got him for around 25-30 mill. To this day it is still a shocker how we were
able to get him. Even some Chelsea fans frowned on the deal because they thought
he was no longer good due to how he didn’t work out in Barca. Even Arsenal declined to
to exercise it’s buy back clause to bring him back to the club.

Again, his value dropped, and that is what I was referring to.


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141. "Barca got him for 34mil, sold him to Chelsea for 33mil"
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So please explain again how he was "forgotten about by the world?"
If his "ability was forgotten" about why would Chelsea spend 33mil for him?

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143. "Wrong. Chelsea bought him for 27 million!"
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-sign-cesc-fabregas-barcelona-3681191.amp

And that was AFTER Barca had a 175 million dollar buyout clause on him….

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/806479-cesc-fabregas-finally-signs-for-barcelona-with-a-175million-buy-out-clause.amp.html

They dropped the clause in order to sell him for 27 million!

So he wasn’t valued the same …not even close. Do the math.
Valued at 175 million, but then sold for 27 million, after buying him for
for 30 something million.

Cesc was not valued or perceived the same way that he was prior to going to Barca.

What are you talking about?

He resurrected himself at Chelsea.

SMH

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147. "You know that Pounds are Euros are different things, right?"
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https://www.transfermarkt.us/cesc-fabregas/transfers/spieler/8806

After add ons and bonuses Chelsea paid around 33m euros for him. Barcelona paid 34m euros.

A buyout clause isn't a fucking value you idiot... unless you believe that Ansu Fati's value is a billion euros.

I don't know why I or anyone on this board ever wastes their time talking to your ass.

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149. "And actually Barca did not pay 34 million Euros"
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Barca never hit the team performances to meet the add ons- they won one La Liga while Cesc was there and no CLs, and the escalators were for 2 leagues and a CL.

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148. "He was quoting the prices in Euros. You absolute clown."
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https://www.transfermarkt.us/cesc-fabregas/profil/spieler/8806

Barca bought him for 29 million Euros/25.4 million pounds (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/14482418 - Barca did not win 2 league titles in the three years Cesc was there, nor did they win a CL with him, so the 5 mill add on was not included). Sold him for 33 million Euros/27 million pounds (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-sign-cesc-fabregas-barcelona-3681191?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target) with two years left on his five year contract. So actually, his transfer value increased at Barca, you cretin.

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150. "Thanks for the usual immature name calling by you."
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tough Keyboard talk usually = weak ass dude.

And notice you said nothing about the 175 million buyout clause they had on
him which was dropped because HIS VALUE DROPPED…a buyout clause they
put on him AFTER they bought him….and dropped to sell him.

Yeah..you got anymore bullshit to add, which had nothing to do with you
in the first place?








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151. "I mean have you WATCHED Barca operate the last 20 years?"
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They don't care what the contracts say when they need cash. And Cesc was desperate to leave. But you're just being deliberately obtuse, as you always are.

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137. "This transfer window will let us know if "
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Christopher Vivell and Paul Winstanley are any good as technical directors.
Todd finally stepped down as interim TD( he sucked). I don’t know much about
them. However, I see what they are thinking with the Felix signing. It’s similar
to the Fabregas signing, and even much cheaper than that ( which was a cheap signing
considering how good Fabregas was for us). However, Cesc already had an excellent
run in the premier league prior to joining Chelsea. Felix has never played in the PL and is highly inconsistent, so the PL could be too physical and demanding for him.

I’ll give him a chance, so we shall see. Like I stated, the signing is similar to what we
have done in the past, so there is hope. But I don’t want this club to splurge cash
just to splurge cash. We splurged cash to bring in great talent to help us wins titles….
That has to be the direction.

Top 4 might be out of the picture, but we are still alive and well in the CL. So that is what
we have to put all our energy into. We’ve done it before…actually we’ve done it twice to be
exact.

KTBFFH!

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142. "this post title is getting funnier by the week"
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NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
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145. "lololol."
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146. "he shoulda left it to you."
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the audacity.

  

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153. "i cant even comprehend how it got created"
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its not a cultural reference

its not a technical reference

the "word play" isnt clever

the player referenced is futbol david eckstein

its not...anything.

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154. "Mason Didn't aMOUNT to much, is more like it."
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156. "Mount has accomplished more in one season than "
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any MU player has accomplished during his entire career…not including
former Madrid players or DD.

And MU hasn’t won a major title since 2013…unless you count Europa,
MU’s yearly tournament entry!

MU is just coming out of being shite for 10 years.

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158. "sure, Mount has the medals...but he wasn't driving na'an none of that."
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sorry. he was along for the ride, a passenger. he might pop out for a good game here or there.

so sure, call him "more accomplished" if you need to (and i know you do) but he's doo doo baby.

he'll be sold off to a mid to bottom tier PL team soon...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................OH WAIT!!! HE'S ALREADY ON ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  

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161. "He won Chelsea player of the year back to back "
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,one in the year they won CL

Smh

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172. "says a lot about your bum ass team."
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if he's Chelsea's player of the year?!?!? YIKES.

  

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155. "Their second half certainly has been spectacular, to be fair."
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In the sense of, it has been very much a spectacle.

  

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144. "That red card really put us on the back foot."
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Original strategy went out the window. Felix did look bright before that silly
challenge that got him red carded.

Don’t even have luck on our side. We could have won this game
against a decent side.

Top 4 is officially dead at this point….just stay up and compete hard
in the CL.

Props to Chelsea legend Willian for having class after scoring. Glad to see him still
performing on quality level.

KTBFFH!

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157. "Speaking of the fall of Romans in London"
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https://www.thehistoryoflondon.co.uk/the-decline-of-londinium/

The decline of Londinium

Londinium was established relatively late in the history of the Roman Empire. It continued to prosper while other parts of the empire came under attack and went into decline. As the more northerly Continental provinces were overrun by barbarians Londinium was unable to survive alone.

Roman civilisation reached its zenith during the mid-1st century, at around the same time that London was being established. While London matured and grew on the western extreme of the empire through the 2nd and 3rd centuries it was protected, and occasionally prospered, from troubles in Rome and elsewhere.

In the latter 2nd century a smallpox plague spread across the empire, killing between 10 and 25 percent of the population. With garrison towns decimated, the empire’s borders became vulnerable and barbarians invaded from the Germanic north. Greater resources required to provide military security necessitated higher taxes, which caused resentment. Divisions grew between the eastern Greek-speaking and Latin-speaking western provinces of the empire. There was much in-fighting and rebellion during the first half of the 3rd century. In 260 the empire was over-run by Alamanni, Franks and Goths from the north, Moors from the south and Persians from the east. Only Rome, the Italian peninsular and Britannia remained untouched. The Romans fought back but large areas of the empire were lost forever.

Britannia was not entirely immune from attack. The Franks, based in the lower Rhineland areas, began making raids on the wealthy and vulnerable east of Britannia and the Thames estuary. Inland agricultural areas prospered, and large mansions were built or expanded, but people of wealth abandoned the areas around the coasts of East Anglia, the Thames Estuary, Kent, the south, and Severn Estuary where they were vulnerable from raids by the Franks or Irish. Long-distance shipping in and out of Londinium was unlikely to have been affected but coastal shipping was probably in greater danger. In the early 3rd century, about 150 years after their arrival, the Romans replaced Londinium’s defensive mound with a wall over three kilometres long, six and a half metres high and enclosing an area of 326 acres.

Londinium expanded rapidly during the 1st and 2nd centuries when traders and financiers arrived to exploit the expanding new market of the province of Britannia. In the 120s Emperor Hadrian decreed that the borders of the empire should be fixed. Within the British Isles a wall was built across the province’s northern boundary and the empire never expanded to incorporate Scotland or Ireland. Without the momentum of expansion, and being a dead-end on the far western edge of civilised Europe, new merchants were thereafter less likely to come to Londinium. Instead they looked eastwards where there were distant markets with which to trade. The growth-rate of Londinium had slowed by the 3rd century and a long, slow decline began.

Trade was not the only factor in the stagnation and decline of Londinium. Although there is no documented evidence, the empire’s plague of the 170s must have reached Londinium due to the constant ships arriving at the port. The town’s population level fell at the end of 2nd century. By the beginning of the following century parts of the town that had previously been built on were being covered over for market gardening. The public bathhouse at Upper Thames Street was demolished, probably because it was no longer viable to keep it continually heated. There was clearly a serious and immediate threat in the late 3rd century because the defensive wall, which had until then encircled only the landward sides, was hastily extended along the riverside.

In or around 286 Marcus Carausius, the admiral in charge of the Channel Fleet, rebelled, seizing Britannia and parts of Gaul and isolating them from Rome for the next decade. Without official Roman coinage a mint was established in Londinium, with a number of the rebel coins being found on a ship that was sunk around that time in the area of what is now County Hall. The Londinium mint continued in operation until the early 4th century.

Augustus Maximian, head of the western part of the empire, appointed his deputy, Constantius, to organise a campaign of recovery of the provinces. In 293 he re-took the port of Boulogne, followed by the other parts of Gaul. As Constantius waited to re-take Britannia, Carausius was murdered by his finance minister Allectus, taking advantage of the political uncertainty, and declaring himself the new Emperor of Britannia. Finally, in 297 Constantius assembled two fleets of ships, one of which landed at Southampton and the other, sailing from the Rhine under his direct command, headed for Londinium. Allectus had enlisted large numbers of Franks but they were more interested in looting Londinium than in fighting. As the citizens of Londinium feared the destruction of the town at the hands of the Franks, Constantius’s ships arrived. The citizens watched from the city walls as the Roman forces slaughtered the barbarians. Constantius celebrated victory by minting gold coins depicting him arriving on horseback at Londinium’s walls to be greeted by one its inhabitants, accompanied by a ship of his fleet. The accompanying legend states in Latin “Restorer of Eternal Light”. Although only a simplified illustration, it is the oldest-surviving image of London.

Londinium had been saved from the barbarian looters but then faced the wrath of the emperor for their support of the rebels. The magnificent basilica and forum were destroyed. Britannia was divided into four provinces, with Londinium as capital of only one quarter of the province, most likely as punishment.

As towns and rural areas in the western Continental part of the empire came under threat and were increasingly abandoned, Britannia became ever more important for the supply of goods and foodstuffs. When the thick forests of northern Europe were lost to the barbarians Britannia’s timber became a new export, easily transportable by water from Londinium. The great oak forest around Middlesex began to be thinned during the 4th century.

In 367 Britannia was invaded by an alliance of Picts, Irish, Franks and Saxons. Forces under the command of the Spanish Count Theodosius were sent by the Emperor Valentinian to restore order. He quickly recovered Londinium where he spent the winter months before regaining the rest of the country during the following Spring. New defences were added to Londinium’s wall in the form of bastions that held catapults.

In the 380s a Spanish Roman general in Britannia rebelled and declared independence from the empire. He led the army in Britannia to the Continent, where he took Gaul, Spain and much of Italy before his defeat in 388. The Roman army was never to return in force, although the provinces needed further temporary defence when the Irish, Picts and Saxons invaded once again at the very end of the 4th century.

Londinium went into a long, slow decline during the 4th century. It had become successful partly because it was the most convenient port from which to trade with the Rhineland and near Continent. As the Roman armies lost control of the northern Continental areas, and it became safer to ship goods to and from Boulogne, the ports on the south coast of Britannia became more convenient. By the end of the 4th century Winchester had overtaken London as Britannia’s leading commercial centre.

During the 4th and 5th centuries sea levels throughout Europe rose, causing problems in all low-lying coastal areas. Londinium and the lower Lea valley became prone to flooding from time to time and Ermine Street, the main road leading directly north out of the town, occasionally became impassable.

Britannia was by then no longer governed directly from Rome and much of the government administration was either dealt with from Trier or devolved to capitals of the smaller provinces into which Britannia had been divided. The town’s population gradually dwindled, concentrated along the riverside. Many buildings were no longer occupied and earth was laid over derelict structures so that the land could be used for farming. Even into the Middle Ages half of the land within the city walls was still being farmed as fields, orchards and gardens.

Barbarian attacks were becoming more threatening to Britannia and the population appealed to the Emperor Honorius for help. But Rome itself was under immediate threat from the Visigoths, who briefly entered the city in 410, carrying away much of its valuable possessions. After the Visigoths had already left Rome Honorius replied to the British that he was unable to help them at that moment and authorised them to take care of their own defences. No doubt he was optimistically expecting to send troops at a later time but in reality Britannia was no longer a province of the great empire to which it had been part for three and a half centuries.

Roman Londinium continued to be occupied but its population gradually dwindled until it gradually decayed and was eventually abandoned. In about 429 Germanus, Bishop of Auxerre, visited the town and reported that life continued as normal. During the early part of the century tiles were still being produced and therefore houses maintained to some extent. At least one house was occupied in 440 and still receiving supplies from the Mediterranean. Yet by the end of that century Londinium seems to have been deserted, and remained so for over 400 years until re-established by the Saxon King Alfred of Wessex.

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165. "As a graduate history student , this was interesting , thank you nm"
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>https://www.thehistoryoflondon.co.uk/the-decline-of-londinium/
>
>The decline of Londinium
>
>Londinium was established relatively late in the history of
>the Roman Empire. It continued to prosper while other parts of
>the empire came under attack and went into decline. As the
>more northerly Continental provinces were overrun by
>barbarians Londinium was unable to survive alone.
>
>Roman civilisation reached its zenith during the mid-1st
>century, at around the same time that London was being
>established. While London matured and grew on the western
>extreme of the empire through the 2nd and 3rd centuries it was
>protected, and occasionally prospered, from troubles in Rome
>and elsewhere.
>
>In the latter 2nd century a smallpox plague spread across the
>empire, killing between 10 and 25 percent of the population.
>With garrison towns decimated, the empire’s borders became
>vulnerable and barbarians invaded from the Germanic north.
>Greater resources required to provide military security
>necessitated higher taxes, which caused resentment. Divisions
>grew between the eastern Greek-speaking and Latin-speaking
>western provinces of the empire. There was much in-fighting
>and rebellion during the first half of the 3rd century. In 260
>the empire was over-run by Alamanni, Franks and Goths from the
>north, Moors from the south and Persians from the east. Only
>Rome, the Italian peninsular and Britannia remained untouched.
>The Romans fought back but large areas of the empire were lost
>forever.
>
>Britannia was not entirely immune from attack. The Franks,
>based in the lower Rhineland areas, began making raids on the
>wealthy and vulnerable east of Britannia and the Thames
>estuary. Inland agricultural areas prospered, and large
>mansions were built or expanded, but people of wealth
>abandoned the areas around the coasts of East Anglia, the
>Thames Estuary, Kent, the south, and Severn Estuary where they
>were vulnerable from raids by the Franks or Irish.
>Long-distance shipping in and out of Londinium was unlikely to
>have been affected but coastal shipping was probably in
>greater danger. In the early 3rd century, about 150 years
>after their arrival, the Romans replaced Londinium’s
>defensive mound with a wall over three kilometres long, six
>and a half metres high and enclosing an area of 326 acres.
>
>Londinium expanded rapidly during the 1st and 2nd centuries
>when traders and financiers arrived to exploit the expanding
>new market of the province of Britannia. In the 120s Emperor
>Hadrian decreed that the borders of the empire should be
>fixed. Within the British Isles a wall was built across the
>province’s northern boundary and the empire never expanded
>to incorporate Scotland or Ireland. Without the momentum of
>expansion, and being a dead-end on the far western edge of
>civilised Europe, new merchants were thereafter less likely to
>come to Londinium. Instead they looked eastwards where there
>were distant markets with which to trade. The growth-rate of
>Londinium had slowed by the 3rd century and a long, slow
>decline began.
>
>Trade was not the only factor in the stagnation and decline of
>Londinium. Although there is no documented evidence, the
>empire’s plague of the 170s must have reached Londinium due
>to the constant ships arriving at the port. The town’s
>population level fell at the end of 2nd century. By the
>beginning of the following century parts of the town that had
>previously been built on were being covered over for market
>gardening. The public bathhouse at Upper Thames Street was
>demolished, probably because it was no longer viable to keep
>it continually heated. There was clearly a serious and
>immediate threat in the late 3rd century because the defensive
>wall, which had until then encircled only the landward sides,
>was hastily extended along the riverside.
>
>In or around 286 Marcus Carausius, the admiral in charge of
>the Channel Fleet, rebelled, seizing Britannia and parts of
>Gaul and isolating them from Rome for the next decade. Without
>official Roman coinage a mint was established in Londinium,
>with a number of the rebel coins being found on a ship that
>was sunk around that time in the area of what is now County
>Hall. The Londinium mint continued in operation until the
>early 4th century.
>
>Augustus Maximian, head of the western part of the empire,
>appointed his deputy, Constantius, to organise a campaign of
>recovery of the provinces. In 293 he re-took the port of
>Boulogne, followed by the other parts of Gaul. As Constantius
>waited to re-take Britannia, Carausius was murdered by his
>finance minister Allectus, taking advantage of the political
>uncertainty, and declaring himself the new Emperor of
>Britannia. Finally, in 297 Constantius assembled two fleets of
>ships, one of which landed at Southampton and the other,
>sailing from the Rhine under his direct command, headed for
>Londinium. Allectus had enlisted large numbers of Franks but
>they were more interested in looting Londinium than in
>fighting. As the citizens of Londinium feared the destruction
>of the town at the hands of the Franks, Constantius’s ships
>arrived. The citizens watched from the city walls as the Roman
>forces slaughtered the barbarians. Constantius celebrated
>victory by minting gold coins depicting him arriving on
>horseback at Londinium’s walls to be greeted by one its
>inhabitants, accompanied by a ship of his fleet. The
>accompanying legend states in Latin “Restorer of Eternal
>Light”. Although only a simplified illustration, it is the
>oldest-surviving image of London.
>
>Londinium had been saved from the barbarian looters but then
>faced the wrath of the emperor for their support of the
>rebels. The magnificent basilica and forum were destroyed.
>Britannia was divided into four provinces, with Londinium as
>capital of only one quarter of the province, most likely as
>punishment.
>
>As towns and rural areas in the western Continental part of
>the empire came under threat and were increasingly abandoned,
>Britannia became ever more important for the supply of goods
>and foodstuffs. When the thick forests of northern Europe were
>lost to the barbarians Britannia’s timber became a new
>export, easily transportable by water from Londinium. The
>great oak forest around Middlesex began to be thinned during
>the 4th century.
>
>In 367 Britannia was invaded by an alliance of Picts, Irish,
>Franks and Saxons. Forces under the command of the Spanish
>Count Theodosius were sent by the Emperor Valentinian to
>restore order. He quickly recovered Londinium where he spent
>the winter months before regaining the rest of the country
>during the following Spring. New defences were added to
>Londinium’s wall in the form of bastions that held
>catapults.
>
>In the 380s a Spanish Roman general in Britannia rebelled and
>declared independence from the empire. He led the army in
>Britannia to the Continent, where he took Gaul, Spain and much
>of Italy before his defeat in 388. The Roman army was never to
>return in force, although the provinces needed further
>temporary defence when the Irish, Picts and Saxons invaded
>once again at the very end of the 4th century.
>
>Londinium went into a long, slow decline during the 4th
>century. It had become successful partly because it was the
>most convenient port from which to trade with the Rhineland
>and near Continent. As the Roman armies lost control of the
>northern Continental areas, and it became safer to ship goods
>to and from Boulogne, the ports on the south coast of
>Britannia became more convenient. By the end of the 4th
>century Winchester had overtaken London as Britannia’s
>leading commercial centre.
>
>During the 4th and 5th centuries sea levels throughout Europe
>rose, causing problems in all low-lying coastal areas.
>Londinium and the lower Lea valley became prone to flooding
>from time to time and Ermine Street, the main road leading
>directly north out of the town, occasionally became
>impassable.
>
>Britannia was by then no longer governed directly from Rome
>and much of the government administration was either dealt
>with from Trier or devolved to capitals of the smaller
>provinces into which Britannia had been divided. The town’s
>population gradually dwindled, concentrated along the
>riverside. Many buildings were no longer occupied and earth
>was laid over derelict structures so that the land could be
>used for farming. Even into the Middle Ages half of the land
>within the city walls was still being farmed as fields,
>orchards and gardens.
>
>Barbarian attacks were becoming more threatening to Britannia
>and the population appealed to the Emperor Honorius for help.
>But Rome itself was under immediate threat from the Visigoths,
>who briefly entered the city in 410, carrying away much of its
>valuable possessions. After the Visigoths had already left
>Rome Honorius replied to the British that he was unable to
>help them at that moment and authorised them to take care of
>their own defences. No doubt he was optimistically expecting
>to send troops at a later time but in reality Britannia was no
>longer a province of the great empire to which it had been
>part for three and a half centuries.
>
>Roman Londinium continued to be occupied but its population
>gradually dwindled until it gradually decayed and was
>eventually abandoned. In about 429 Germanus, Bishop of
>Auxerre, visited the town and reported that life continued as
>normal. During the early part of the century tiles were still
>being produced and therefore houses maintained to some extent.
>At least one house was occupied in 440 and still receiving
>supplies from the Mediterranean. Yet by the end of that
>century Londinium seems to have been deserted, and remained so
>for over 400 years until re-established by the Saxon King
>Alfred of Wessex.

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159. "ETH really doing it"
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164. "This is gonna be a hell of a title race"
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Would almost be like old times (i.e. pre Abramovich, Glazers, Kroenke) if it wasn't for City (and I guess Newcastle).

United V Arsenal is the way life should be IMO

  

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167. "i wouldnt say we're in it but we're cooking rn. no doubt about it"
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still think we are too thin to scrap it out w/ City and Arsenal over 38 but who knows.

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169. "i dont actually think it will "
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they have a massive run of cupcakes to feast on from February to Apr

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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175. "he really is. he got fucking Bruno running around like a rabid dog."
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he should get a long extension off that alone.

  

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160. "Brighton got Liverpool bent over their knee rn"
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this is easily the slowest and most pathetic liverpool of the klopp era

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163. "Always feels good to see Liverpool get lumped up."
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takes the sting off Chelsea being bad this year.

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166. "that was really bad. couldve been 5 or 6."
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168. "How Chelsea can turn their season around (TheAthletic swipe)"
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SIKE!!!!

SERIE A UPDATE...for the 3 (cGonz, Khn, and me) of us that pay attention to this league


Napoli CRUSHES Juventus (who was coming into this game with 8 clean sheets in a ROW)

5-1

I know none of you think Calcio exists outside England and Spain but man...Victor Osimhen put on a performance for the ages, he was making 3 Brazilians (Danilo Bremer and Sandro) look STUPID over and over nad over

JUGGERNAUT...

him and Kvaratskhelia are as good as any tandem in Europe, forget Italy.

once you get past the strikers its Dilorenzo, RUi, Labotka, it just goes on and on

their SO fun to watch and play with so much swag and aggression..super happy for Spaletti who had to put up with so much drama at Inter for all those yaers with Icardi and Brozovic and Perisic beef in the locker room etc.

edit, I do feel for Koulibaly who put in so many years of WORK in Naples, only to leave to a shithole situation while his former team is well en route to win the Serie A for the firsr time since 1989....going from a hero in naples, eating the finest mediterranean cuisine and living like a KING... to being shit on by chelsea fans in that rainy hell

but the defense is even better now....



--------SERIE A ANALYSIS-----------------------

https://theathletic.com/4090310/2023/01/14/napoli-juventus-serie-a-analysis/

We’re less than midway through the 2022-23 European league season — thanks to the unusual timing of World Cup 2022 — but it seems likely we’ve seen the most memorable team performance of the campaign.

On Friday night, top-of-the-table Napoli hosted a resurgent Juventus. Max Allegri’s side were sitting in eighth place in mid-October, but Allegri’s decision to switch to a 3-5-2 prompted a remarkable resurgence, bringing them eight wins and eight clean sheets in a row. They were just seven points behind Napoli, and a victory would have cut that advantage to four points.

But after an astonishingly dominant Napoli performance, it feels almost unthinkable we even considered Juventus part of the title race at all. They were utterly outclassed in every department, as Napoli ran out 5-1 winners. That 3-5-2 formation, an obvious reason for Juventus’ good run, suddenly became a serious weakness as Napoli managed to find space all over the pitch.

There were essentially three main themes in this match. First, Luciano Spalletti’s side switched play effectively, taking advantage of Juve’s narrow shape. Second, they quickly played balls into the channels for Victor Osimhen to chase, and Juventus couldn’t cope with his runs — partly, perhaps, as wide centre-backs Danilo and Alex Sandro are converted attacking full-backs. Third, Juve’s complete lack of compactness allowed Napoli time in midfield.

Here’s an early example of that first theme. Khvicha Kvaratskhelia receives the ball wide on the left, is closed down by Federico Chiesa and Weston McKennie, and so rather than trying to dribble past both, switches the play to the far side, where Giovanni Di Lorenzo is completely open, and about to push forward towards his team-mate Matteo Politano.



Already, in the early stages, Juventus’ lack of compactness is becoming clear. Angel Di Maria and Arkadiusz Milik played as the front two, and half-pressed, but they were regularly detached from the midfield. Napoli’s holding midfielder Stanislav Lobotka often dropped into defence to allow them to play forward more easily, and then pushed on again to find himself in space between Juve’s lines.



Here’s another example of Napoli switching the play around Juve’s narrow block, and out to an unmarked forward. Mario Rui knocks the ball into the channel for Osimhen and while this came to nothing, it showed Napoli’s intent.



Five minutes later, a similar incident. This time it’s centre-back Kim Min-jae on the ball, and his floated pass over the top of the Juventus defence nearly drops for Osimhen, but the bounce evades him.



And here’s yet another example — Rui on the ball, launching it into the channel, and Osimhen always getting there first.



Then came the first goal, 14 minutes in. This initial situation is interesting because it demonstrates the problems with Juve’s shape. Not only are the attackers nowhere to be seen, with Napoli having so much time to work the ball across their midfield under little pressure, the midfield is alarmingly narrow, occupying about five yards across. Kvaratskhelia drifts inside and Napoli prepare to work the ball over to Di Lorenzo…



But, as they work the ball through central midfielder Piotr Zielinski, Juventus’ midfield is so disorganised that, seemingly with Adrien Rabiot’s encouragement, it is left-sided centre-back Sandro who pushed out to close down Zielinski. Right-winger Politano takes this as his cue to push inside into the space vacated by Sandro, and then receives the forward pass from Di Lorenzo.



Politano then crosses first time for Kvaratskhelia’s overhead kick, which Wojciech Szczesny saves, but Osimhen is free to nod in the rebound.



That was fairly typical of Napoli’s approach. Here’s a similar move down the opposite flank. As Lobokota switches play over to Kvaratskhelia, note that Chiesa realises he needs to sprint out towards the flank…



…but that’s not really enough, as Rui is pushing forward on the overlap to create an overload. Right-sided centre-back Danilo holds his ground, and is calling for McKennie to push across and close down. He’s never going to get there in time…



…and Rui is free to cross to the far post, over the head of Politano. In fairness, Juve’s complete inability to get numbers across to the near side at least means they were well-staffed at the far post.



Juve, 1-0 down, attempted to press more — but this was disjointed and Napoli played through them. Here, Lobotka happily receives a pass from Kim close to his own box, turns past a couple of Juve players, and dribbles to the halfway line.



Then came Napoli’s second goal, which felt alarmingly easy and shows the aforementioned three patterns of the game.

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First, look at how disjointed Juve are — the forwards on the halfway line, bypassed easily with a ball out to the full-back, and no other Juve player in shot. When the camera pans back, Chiesa is — presumably — asking why on earth Juve aren’t backing up the forwards.



Second, Politano receives a forward pass from Di Lorenzo and simply launches the ball into the channel, confident that Osimhen will win it. Against three Juventus defenders, he does. And then, look at the space on the outside of Juventus’ defence for Kvaratskhelia, who sweeps the ball home confidently.



The replay angle shows the sheer lunacy of Juventus’ defensive shape, with Kvaratskhelia — the danger man — in oceans of space on the outside of Sandro. Chiesa, worried about Juve’s lack of pressing, is completely unaware of the danger behind him.



Juventus got one back through Di Maria shortly before half-time, but the second half continued in a similar pattern. Here’s another simple ball into the channel for Oshimen to chase, and win, and shoot, and earn a corner.



And from that corner, Amir Rrahmani smashed home a loose ball to make it 3-1.



By this point, Juve were shellshocked. Napoli started winning the ball high up and creating chances after forcing turnovers. Here, Kvaratskhelia crosses for Osimhen to head home the fourth.



And the scoring was rounded off in a style typical of Napoli’s approach. As Napoli switch the ball to right-back Di Lorenzo, drifting infield into space, you can tell from left-wing-back Filip Kostic’s head position that he’s worried by right-winger Elif Elmas, on for Politano. But as Di Lorenzo plays the pass, Kostic has got sucked in towards him.



Kostic then has to turn and sprint out to Elmas, and he’s running so fast that he goes too far. Elmas checks inside and, via a deflection, makes it 5-1.



Napoli have recorded famous victories over Juventus before, in seasons when they seemed to have the belief to win the title. There was Edinson Cavani’s famous hat-trick of headers against Juve in 2011. There was Kalidou Koulibaly’s winner in 2018 with four games remaining. Napoli couldn’t get over the line in either season.

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But this was something else, and now Napoli have a 10-point lead, and have completely halted Juve’s momentum. This victory will be talked about for years if Napoli don’t win the title, and for decades if they do.

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170. "Paramount+ was fucking with me on the replay, just finished"
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what a dominating performance

Napoli just has no holes. they ran thru their CL group, theyre running thru the league, and CL looks like a realistic ambition

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180. "Victor Osimhen = best striker in the world"
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Id love to see Napoli finish with a double

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173. "^^^powerful postin^^^"
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184. "Grazie , fratello "
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182. "lmao. salute!"
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I would just add that Spalletti had to put up with even *more* bullshit in Roma, during *both* of his stints. Especially the 2nd one, where he fielded the best Roma team ever based on points, but was ridiculed non-stop for not playing a 39-year-old Totti enough. Despite all that, he is still easily the best manager we've had for the past 25 years at least. I really want him to get this one.

Imma have to catch the replay of that game. Euphoric scoreline.

  

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171. "Mudryk to Chelsea for $$$"
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https://theathletic.com/4090699/2023/01/14/mykhailo-mudryk-chelsea-arsenal-transfer/?source=user_shared_article

Oh well. Will be interesting to see how arsenal responds, esp if they somehow win NLD tmrw

  

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174. "Boehly is spending just to spend at this point, and it’s insane."
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He is scrambling and making panic buys. The money isn’t the issue, Chelsea has
always spent money. That’s what big clubs do, but the top brass under Roman
never went into frantic buys. Roman and the board mostly felt that the players
weren’t the problem, so the focus would be on changing coaches. And Roman never
hesitated when it came to firing coaches, and it almost always led to a huge improvement
or turn around. It wasn’t always fair, but it led to better results immediately.

The main problem with us this year are injuries…most of our top players were hit
with some serious injuries, and that’s when our play went down. Those players will
recover and the team will perform better, but it’s a matter of patience and understanding
what is needed.

Kante injured
Reece injured
Fofana injured
Sterling injured
Chilwell injured, etc, etc


Boehly is signing him to a 7 year deal, after just signing a young defender to a 7
year deal..Shit is madness, complete madness. He has never played in the PL,
or any other top league, and he goes for 100 milli on a 7 year deal. He using baseball
tactics to operate a soccer team.

We are going to be tied into these young, unproven players until they
are 30.

So I hope that he turns into an excellent player. That’s all that I can do.
I will be rooting for him. I have no other choice but to suck all this shit up.
We conquered all of Europe 2 years ago, so I’m cool with sucking for the
next 3-4 years…if that is what it takes.





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176. "Sheva 2.0 LOLOLOL"
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177. "A much needed victory!"
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Now we get to rest for a full week to prepare for Liverfool.

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178. "😂 @ lloris"
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179. "incrrdible"
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so relieved this dude retired from France duty and I can go back to clowning him

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181. "typical error"
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183. "Top ada table | Mind the (8pt) gap | London = Red"
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That was fun, but it basically always is with this team

  

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185. "absolutly stomped real madrid"
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This modified 4 midfielder quasi 4222/343 is working nicely. Relly uses all of the midfield well. Just destroyed reall with it. Toyed with them in possession.

And top of the table!
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186. "yeahhhhhh…congrats"
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Y’all finally did something.

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187. "Smoked em."
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That was so beautiful to watch. Wondering if this 4-2-3-1 is what we're gonna play moving forward because it worked to perfection here.

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188. "Inter defeat Milan 3-0 to win 2nd straight SuperCoppa Italiana 😎 🏆..."
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Simon Inzaghi has now won three trophies in just a year and a half as Inter coach.

Edin Dzeko playing like prime Man City …Lautaro with a sweet flick goal from the outside of his left foot , and Skriniar / Bastoni erasing Leāo and the Milan attack


Nicolò Barella deserves to be mentioned amongs europes best midfielders , only a casual would disagree

Just a beautiful performance

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https://sports.yahoo.com/dzeko-inspired-inter-win-milan-212010108.html

In Riyadh Saudi Arabia

Inter Milan won the Italian Super Cup on Wednesday after Edin Dzeko inspired his team to a thumping 3-0 victory over local rivals AC Milan.

The damage was done in the opening 21 minutes in Riyadh thanks to Dzeko, who played a defence-splitting pass for Federico Dimarco's 10th-minute opener and then doubled Inter's lead 11 minutes later.

Without the raucous soundtrack of a packed San Siro, Wednesday's match in Saudi Arabia was an unusual Milan derby but that won't stop Inter fans claiming local bragging rights as well as the Super Cup for the seventh time.

Both teams are trailing way behind Napoli in what is beginning to look like a one-team title charge but Inter looked a class above the drained-seeming Italian champions who barely laid a glove on Simone Inzaghi's side.

Milan continued their sluggish start to the new year and Dzeko punished them by helping Inter to a two-goal half-time lead which was more than deserved.


The 36-year-old beautifully sent Nicolo Barella scampering in behind Milan's defence, allowing the Italy midfielder to roll a low pass which compatriot Dimarco had no problems tucking away.

Dzeko then punished sloppy Milan defending of a free-kick by charging through onto Alessandro Bastoni's drilled pass, cutting inside Sandro Tonali and driving home a fine finish from a tight angle.

Milan huffed and puffed in the second half but the closest they came to getting back into the game was the underwhelming Rafael Leao smashing over three minutes after the break.

And Martinez made absolutely sure Inzaghi would claim his fourth Super Cup as coach when the Argentina forward span a bamboozled Fikayo Tomori and controlled Milan Skriniar's long pass before tucking home a beautiful finish with the outside of his right foot.

td/mw

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189. "Memphis is off to atletico"
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helps the books, but man, atletico just robbing people (loan Felix for 3x Memphis cost? ridiculousness) and were dicks about Barca's desire for Carrasco.

whatever, fifth forward at best and xavi's using 2 forwards more frequently plus Alarcon is the next promising youngster (Barbera looks really good to me, but hasn't signed long term which is worrying).

now rumor is xavi wants parejo which I think is another sign he's moving away from the 4-3-3 to this 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 or whatever it is that's worked pretty damn well recently. i also think it fits ferran a bit more as well, might see tonight vs. cueta.

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190. "always liked Memphis as a player for whatever reason.."
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(in the sense that i want him to do well and i have a soft spot for Dutch players)

...so hopefully the move is good for him.

  

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194. "Yeah I've liked Memphis since the 2014 WC"
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I really hoped this Barca stint would have worked out better for him and still wish him the best.

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191. "I had dreams of a return to PSV"
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but that salary was probably prohibitive

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192. "PSV sells Madueke to Chelsea for €40M"
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Thats a good number, and softens the disappointment of what seems like a discount sale of Gakpo. bottling CL qualification vs Rangers seems really costly on the field tho. that money couldve kept the squad together thru the season for a title push. now gotta hope Arnaut Danjuma wants to come home badly enough to spurn a midtable PL club

hoped the combined sales would exceed €100M, but €90M is enough to do a lot. oh well.

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193. "Spurs had me excited there for a second. Oh well"
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197. "ah...the BPONE. id recognize it anywhere"
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Black Pit of Negative Expectations, coined by Brian Cook of MGoBlog:

"The BPONE is a state of mind in which no part of a football game* is enjoyable because it is merely a prelude to some pratfall made more embarrassing and or painful by whatever minimal, temporary successes are experienced prior to the pratfall. Thus a (Michigan) kick return touchdown—that rarest butterfly, one the game is steadily trying to erase—during which your author's only reaction was internal and, I quote, 'whoop-de-damn-do'."



*or season, as Ive learned as a Lions fan

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195. "Don’t think Lampard can survive this season."
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Everton is on a path to get relegated. They just don’t have the players to
compete.

I’m rooting for him, maybe he can turn things around like last season….


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196. "title race is cooked but man mahrez dropped a 10/10 today"
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198. "Juve docked 15 points, now 10th"
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12 pts out of conference league

can Spurs just buy Weston McKennie already?

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199. ""West Ham defeats Everton in a tight relegation battle" is not...."
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...the sort of January headline I would have anticipated, back in August.

WHU will probably be all right, but I didn't realize things had gotten quite that bad for Everton.

  

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200. "It’s really really bad."
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I have no idea why he took that job just to get back in the
PL.

They just don’t have the squad players that can truly compete and
get them out of the gutter.

Next up.

Arsenal and Liverpool.

Brutal.

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201. "mudryk looked good but my word what an awful match that was"
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they could've played for another 90 and neither team would've even threatened scoring much

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202. "17 points out of 21 for Emery. 68% possession on the road"
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One point back of the top half. Let’s keep the train rolling through the Foxes.

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203. "fantastic rashford goal"
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204. "Rashford going brazy since the cup"
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205. "braindead AWB. i miss Dalot"
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206. "Gio banger. Berhalter can go jump in a volcano"
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https://twitter.com/usmntonly/status/1617195219577077763

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213. "so good"
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221. "most def. fuck berhalter."
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did you see/hear about Gio's celebration?

  

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225. "Yeah I loved it. Hope the kid keeps cooking and embarrassing berhalter"
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207. "that is fucking poor from De Gea "
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208. "Big fucking Dro. this is some game"
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we are back we just need to get ETH his guys

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209. "ETH blew it sitting on our subs"
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210. "...who would have come on? not much on the bench TBH"
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212. "first you take off Eriksen for Fred. he was walking around there"
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Garnacho on for Antony is another obvious one.

3rd one I'd go Malacia for Bruno and move Shaw up the field a bit.

man went down w/ 2 in his pocket praying for a point. pathetic

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211. "big win by the arsenal. united prolly deserved a point, but"
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arsenal deserved something from the 1st game, so evens out IMO

  

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214. "they wouldve earned the point had they gotten one, but..."
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they were hanging on by a fingernail the last 10ish mins

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216. "I’m saying, that’s my man, but insane comment"
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215. "FOH!! Deserved?? Check the XG mate "
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Would have been absolute b/s if it ended in any other outcome.

  

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217. "ha, fair enough man. You're right"
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>Would have been absolute b/s if it ended in any other
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218. "A bunch of wrong, loud MF tried to put Sancho in Saka’s zip code"
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No one in England is close to starboy.

Man, Shaw going to be having nightmares for months, seeing that Nigerian Prince coming at him

Eddie! Eddie! Eddie!

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219. "Meanwhile I loved what Trossard brought. If they can get ESR going too....."
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>No one in England is close to starboy.
>
>Man, Shaw going to be having nightmares for months, seeing
>that Nigerian Prince coming at him
>
>Eddie! Eddie! Eddie!
>
>Take your time, Jesus, we got this time you get back.

  

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220. "that sucked. "
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but not sure why garnacho didn't see the pitch.

antony is starting to look like another guy we overpaid for.

while i'm not sure we deserve a point, it does feel like we left it on the table.

anyways, just gotta keep pushing. at least we're hanging with, and beating, some of the teams who were just out-classing us of late.

if we can get the right midfield, and stay healthy, we'll be fine.

not having casemiro today definitely stung.

  

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222. "i never thought Antony was *that* dude but hes real young"
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his production was never really eye-popping or anything, and he doesnt make the players around him better like Tadic or Ziyech did

a tremendous overpay, until maybe hes not, but probably

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223. "his final ball is absolute dogshit"
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someone needs to tell him to stop trying to be a 5 star skiller and youtuber and play fucking ball. put proper weight on a ball in behind for once.

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228. "Another player who left to go to MU to disappear "
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Instant vapor

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229. "just like Chelsea's chances at anything this season."
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224. "Juve continuing to spiral. "
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Summed up by the always excellent Nicky Bandini

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/jan/23/juventus-in-limbo-as-points-deduction-crisis-swirls-amid-thrilling-3-3-draw

Juventus in limbo as points deduction crisis swirls amid thrilling 3-3 draw

Against Atalanta, the show went on after the announcement of a severe penalty but so much remains uncertain

For a couple of hours, Juventus allowed themselves to forget. The buildup to their game against Atalanta had been overshadowed by news of a 15-point penalty, a punishment nobody saw coming. Even the prosecutor leading the case against them had only asked for nine.

Anger at that decision was palpable inside the Allianz Stadium. The Serie A anthem was loudly whistled and the positioning of league-branded materials on the pitch before kickoff met with hostile chanting. A banner hung by fans on the gates outside read: “Serie A or Serie B, we are always here. Only for Juventus FC.”

And then a football match broke out. The Hives song Come On hammered out over the public address as the players lined up and when the music stopped it seemed as though both sets of players had carried that pummelling drumbeat with them, playing with a tempo and aggression rarely seen at this venue lately.

Atalanta opened the scoring when Wojciech Szczesny allowed Ademola Lookman’s shot to go through him at the near post, but Juventus roared back to lead before half-time. Ángel Di María converted a penalty after Nicolò Fagioli was brought down and then combined with the Italian to set up another goal, releasing his team-mate down the right with a Cruyff style heel flick. Arkadiusz Milik met the subsequent cross with a brilliant volley into the bottom corner.

The game see-sawed back in Atalanta’s favour, Joakim Maehle equalising at the apex of a passing triangle constructed by Giorgio Scalvini and Lookman. The latter player put his team back in front, heading home a cross from Jérémie Boga.

Still, it wasn’t finished. In the 65th minute, Juventus won a free-kick on the edge of the box and Di María feigned to shoot before rolling the ball back under his boot for Danilo, who sent a daisy cutter beneath the wall. Players rushed to retrieve the ball with the urgency of a team losing in a cup final. The manager, Massimiliano Allegri, pumped his fists furiously on the sideline.

The game finished 3-3, though not for want of effort on both sides to find a winner At full-time, Di María and Allegri each insisted that a top four finish for Juventus was still possible.

Nobody knows if they will be allowed into the Champions League next season if they make it. In the wake of Friday’s ruling by the Italian Football Federation (FIGC), Uefa are expected to conduct their own investigations to determine whether Juventus breached the terms of their financial fair play settlement agreement. There are further layers of this onion to be unpeeled in the meantime.

We do not yet know the official reasons for the Serie A points penalty. The punishment was announced on Friday, but the FIGC have until 30 January to publisha full verdict. We only have the case made by the prosecutor, who accused Juventus of artificially inflating revenues by assigning unrealistic values to footballers swapped in exchange deals with other clubs.

The amortisation of transfer fees allows teams to spread the cost of any player they sign across the length of their contract. So if a club buys player A for €5m on a five-year deal, and sells player B for the same fee, they can effectively write up a €4m profit on the balance sheet for that year.

This is legal and common practice in football, but Juventus were accused of taking things too far, deploying a system of unrealistically-valued swaps to make themselves look better off than they were. The FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chinè, argued that this created unfair competitive advantage.

An initial investigation into the misuse of ‘plusvalenze’ (capital gains) had ended with Juventus and 10 other clubs all being absolved in April last year, the FIGC concluding that it was impossible to assign objective values to footballers. Separately, however, public prosecutors in Turin had been conducting their own investigation – named as Prisma – into Juventus’s actions. The club is listed on the stock exchange, so false financial reporting could be a criminal offence.

Through wiretaps and searches of the club’s offices, they unearthed conversations and documents about Juventus. It was this fresh evidence that led the FIGC to reopen its case against the club.

Juventus firmly deny all wrongdoing and will appeal their points deduction, as well as the lengthy bans handed out to former and current directors, to the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI)’s Sports Guarantee Board. That body can overturn the FIGC’s ruling only on procedural grounds. It cannot consider the merits of the case. The club is expected to argue that they have been subjected to double jeopardy, and that no actual sporting law has been broken.

After that, their next recourse would be to the European Court of Arbitration for Sport . The truth is, though, that we are only at the tip of the iceberg with what could happen next. Preliminary hearings for a potential criminal case stemming from the Prisma investigation will be heard in March.

There is a whole separate thread to the Turin prosecutors’ findings, relating to an agreement by players to waive part of their salaries during the Covid-19 pandemic. Juventus released a statement in March 2020 saying that a pay cut equivalent to four months’ wages had been agreed but are accused of redirecting money into bonuses to make up the difference.

On the sporting side, meanwhile, it remains possible that other clubs may be drawn in. The newspaper La Repubblica reported on Sunday that Chiné has requested to see evidence gathered by the public prosecutor in Naples during an investigation into Napoli.

Juventus presented a united front this weekend, with John Elkann, chief executive of Exor, the holding company with a controlling stake in the club, attending the Atalanta game in person. The new CEO, Maurizio Scanavino, distanced the club from the “pseudo-fans who used a language of hatred and threat towards the Italian Football Federation, Gravina, his family and the prosecutor Chinè” while reasserting that: “we will defend ourselves decisively and forcefully but always with professionalism, respect and expertise, in the right ways and the appropriate places.”

Atalanta are one of the clubs who stand to benefit from Juventus’s points penalty, ending the weekend fifth in the table and two points outside the top four. They have begun the year in electric form, scoring 20 goals in five games between Serie A and the Coppa Italia.

Yet their manager, Gian Piero Gasperini, was not eager to revel in Juventus’s fall. “When points get deducted in the middle of a season,” he said, “that’s never a good sign for football.”

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230. "Glorious. Absolutely glorious."
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>Summed up by the always excellent Nicky Bandini
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/jan/23/juventus-in-limbo-as-points-deduction-crisis-swirls-amid-thrilling-3-3-draw
>
>Juventus in limbo as points deduction crisis swirls amid
>thrilling 3-3 draw
>
>Against Atalanta, the show went on after the announcement of a
>severe penalty but so much remains uncertain
>
>For a couple of hours, Juventus allowed themselves to forget.
>The buildup to their game against Atalanta had been
>overshadowed by news of a 15-point penalty, a punishment
>nobody saw coming. Even the prosecutor leading the case
>against them had only asked for nine.
>
>Anger at that decision was palpable inside the Allianz
>Stadium. The Serie A anthem was loudly whistled and the
>positioning of league-branded materials on the pitch before
>kickoff met with hostile chanting. A banner hung by fans on
>the gates outside read: “Serie A or Serie B, we are always
>here. Only for Juventus FC.”
>
>And then a football match broke out. The Hives song Come On
>hammered out over the public address as the players lined up
>and when the music stopped it seemed as though both sets of
>players had carried that pummelling drumbeat with them,
>playing with a tempo and aggression rarely seen at this venue
>lately.
>
>Atalanta opened the scoring when Wojciech Szczesny allowed
>Ademola Lookman’s shot to go through him at the near post,
>but Juventus roared back to lead before half-time. Ángel Di
>María converted a penalty after Nicolò Fagioli was brought
>down and then combined with the Italian to set up another
>goal, releasing his team-mate down the right with a Cruyff
>style heel flick. Arkadiusz Milik met the subsequent cross
>with a brilliant volley into the bottom corner.
>
>The game see-sawed back in Atalanta’s favour, Joakim Maehle
>equalising at the apex of a passing triangle constructed by
>Giorgio Scalvini and Lookman. The latter player put his team
>back in front, heading home a cross from Jérémie Boga.
>
>Still, it wasn’t finished. In the 65th minute, Juventus won
>a free-kick on the edge of the box and Di María feigned to
>shoot before rolling the ball back under his boot for Danilo,
>who sent a daisy cutter beneath the wall. Players rushed to
>retrieve the ball with the urgency of a team losing in a cup
>final. The manager, Massimiliano Allegri, pumped his fists
>furiously on the sideline.
>
>The game finished 3-3, though not for want of effort on both
>sides to find a winner At full-time, Di María and Allegri
>each insisted that a top four finish for Juventus was still
>possible.
>
>Nobody knows if they will be allowed into the Champions League
>next season if they make it. In the wake of Friday’s ruling
>by the Italian Football Federation (FIGC), Uefa are expected
>to conduct their own investigations to determine whether
>Juventus breached the terms of their financial fair play
>settlement agreement. There are further layers of this onion
>to be unpeeled in the meantime.
>
>We do not yet know the official reasons for the Serie A points
>penalty. The punishment was announced on Friday, but the FIGC
>have until 30 January to publisha full verdict. We only have
>the case made by the prosecutor, who accused Juventus of
>artificially inflating revenues by assigning unrealistic
>values to footballers swapped in exchange deals with other
>clubs.
>
>The amortisation of transfer fees allows teams to spread the
>cost of any player they sign across the length of their
>contract. So if a club buys player A for €5m on a five-year
>deal, and sells player B for the same fee, they can
>effectively write up a €4m profit on the balance sheet for
>that year.
>
>This is legal and common practice in football, but Juventus
>were accused of taking things too far, deploying a system of
>unrealistically-valued swaps to make themselves look better
>off than they were. The FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chinè,
>argued that this created unfair competitive advantage.
>
>An initial investigation into the misuse of ‘plusvalenze’
>(capital gains) had ended with Juventus and 10 other clubs all
>being absolved in April last year, the FIGC concluding that it
>was impossible to assign objective values to footballers.
>Separately, however, public prosecutors in Turin had been
>conducting their own investigation – named as Prisma –
>into Juventus’s actions. The club is listed on the stock
>exchange, so false financial reporting could be a criminal
>offence.
>
>Through wiretaps and searches of the club’s offices, they
>unearthed conversations and documents about Juventus. It was
>this fresh evidence that led the FIGC to reopen its case
>against the club.
>
>Juventus firmly deny all wrongdoing and will appeal their
>points deduction, as well as the lengthy bans handed out to
>former and current directors, to the Italian Olympic Committee
>(CONI)’s Sports Guarantee Board. That body can overturn the
>FIGC’s ruling only on procedural grounds. It cannot consider
>the merits of the case. The club is expected to argue that
>they have been subjected to double jeopardy, and that no
>actual sporting law has been broken.
>
>After that, their next recourse would be to the European Court
>of Arbitration for Sport . The truth is, though, that we
>are only at the tip of the iceberg with what could happen
>next. Preliminary hearings for a potential criminal case
>stemming from the Prisma investigation will be heard in
>March.
>
>There is a whole separate thread to the Turin prosecutors’
>findings, relating to an agreement by players to waive part of
>their salaries during the Covid-19 pandemic. Juventus released
>a statement in March 2020 saying that a pay cut equivalent to
>four months’ wages had been agreed but are accused of
>redirecting money into bonuses to make up the difference.
>
>On the sporting side, meanwhile, it remains possible that
>other clubs may be drawn in. The newspaper La Repubblica
>reported on Sunday that Chiné has requested to see evidence
>gathered by the public prosecutor in Naples during an
>investigation into Napoli.
>
>Juventus presented a united front this weekend, with John
>Elkann, chief executive of Exor, the holding company with a
>controlling stake in the club, attending the Atalanta game in
>person. The new CEO, Maurizio Scanavino, distanced the club
>from the “pseudo-fans who used a language of hatred and
>threat towards the Italian Football Federation, Gravina, his
>family and the prosecutor Chinè” while reasserting that:
>“we will defend ourselves decisively and forcefully but
>always with professionalism, respect and expertise, in the
>right ways and the appropriate places.”
>
>Atalanta are one of the clubs who stand to benefit from
>Juventus’s points penalty, ending the weekend fifth in the
>table and two points outside the top four. They have begun the
>year in electric form, scoring 20 goals in five games between
>Serie A and the Coppa Italia.
>
>Yet their manager, Gian Piero Gasperini, was not eager to
>revel in Juventus’s fall. “When points get deducted in the
>middle of a season,” he said, “that’s never a good sign
>for football.”
>
>

  

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231. "Bellisimo "
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Tue Jan-24-23 09:08 AM by guru0509

  

          

My Italian tutor saying the whole of Italy is pointing and laughing at Juve.

Juve fans acting they’re being persecuted , and martyrs for Calcio

Delusional as always

Hopefully we snag Bremer in the exodus of players

>>Summed up by the always excellent Nicky Bandini
>>
>>https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/jan/23/juventus-in-limbo-as-points-deduction-crisis-swirls-amid-thrilling-3-3-draw
>>
>>Juventus in limbo as points deduction crisis swirls amid
>>thrilling 3-3 draw
>>
>>Against Atalanta, the show went on after the announcement of
>a
>>severe penalty but so much remains uncertain
>>
>>For a couple of hours, Juventus allowed themselves to
>forget.
>>The buildup to their game against Atalanta had been
>>overshadowed by news of a 15-point penalty, a punishment
>>nobody saw coming. Even the prosecutor leading the case
>>against them had only asked for nine.
>>
>>Anger at that decision was palpable inside the Allianz
>>Stadium. The Serie A anthem was loudly whistled and the
>>positioning of league-branded materials on the pitch before
>>kickoff met with hostile chanting. A banner hung by fans on
>>the gates outside read: “Serie A or Serie B, we are always
>>here. Only for Juventus FC.”
>>
>>And then a football match broke out. The Hives song Come On
>>hammered out over the public address as the players lined up
>>and when the music stopped it seemed as though both sets of
>>players had carried that pummelling drumbeat with them,
>>playing with a tempo and aggression rarely seen at this
>venue
>>lately.
>>
>>Atalanta opened the scoring when Wojciech Szczesny allowed
>>Ademola Lookman’s shot to go through him at the near post,
>>but Juventus roared back to lead before half-time. Ángel Di
>>María converted a penalty after Nicolò Fagioli was brought
>>down and then combined with the Italian to set up another
>>goal, releasing his team-mate down the right with a Cruyff
>>style heel flick. Arkadiusz Milik met the subsequent cross
>>with a brilliant volley into the bottom corner.
>>
>>The game see-sawed back in Atalanta’s favour, Joakim
>Maehle
>>equalising at the apex of a passing triangle constructed by
>>Giorgio Scalvini and Lookman. The latter player put his team
>>back in front, heading home a cross from Jérémie Boga.
>>
>>Still, it wasn’t finished. In the 65th minute, Juventus
>won
>>a free-kick on the edge of the box and Di María feigned to
>>shoot before rolling the ball back under his boot for
>Danilo,
>>who sent a daisy cutter beneath the wall. Players rushed to
>>retrieve the ball with the urgency of a team losing in a cup
>>final. The manager, Massimiliano Allegri, pumped his fists
>>furiously on the sideline.
>>
>>The game finished 3-3, though not for want of effort on both
>>sides to find a winner At full-time, Di María and Allegri
>>each insisted that a top four finish for Juventus was still
>>possible.
>>
>>Nobody knows if they will be allowed into the Champions
>League
>>next season if they make it. In the wake of Friday’s
>ruling
>>by the Italian Football Federation (FIGC), Uefa are expected
>>to conduct their own investigations to determine whether
>>Juventus breached the terms of their financial fair play
>>settlement agreement. There are further layers of this onion
>>to be unpeeled in the meantime.
>>
>>We do not yet know the official reasons for the Serie A
>points
>>penalty. The punishment was announced on Friday, but the
>FIGC
>>have until 30 January to publisha full verdict. We only have
>>the case made by the prosecutor, who accused Juventus of
>>artificially inflating revenues by assigning unrealistic
>>values to footballers swapped in exchange deals with other
>>clubs.
>>
>>The amortisation of transfer fees allows teams to spread the
>>cost of any player they sign across the length of their
>>contract. So if a club buys player A for €5m on a
>five-year
>>deal, and sells player B for the same fee, they can
>>effectively write up a €4m profit on the balance sheet for
>>that year.
>>
>>This is legal and common practice in football, but Juventus
>>were accused of taking things too far, deploying a system of
>>unrealistically-valued swaps to make themselves look better
>>off than they were. The FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chinè,
>>argued that this created unfair competitive advantage.
>>
>>An initial investigation into the misuse of
>‘plusvalenze’
>>(capital gains) had ended with Juventus and 10 other clubs
>all
>>being absolved in April last year, the FIGC concluding that
>it
>>was impossible to assign objective values to footballers.
>>Separately, however, public prosecutors in Turin had been
>>conducting their own investigation – named as Prisma –
>>into Juventus’s actions. The club is listed on the stock
>>exchange, so false financial reporting could be a criminal
>>offence.
>>
>>Through wiretaps and searches of the club’s offices, they
>>unearthed conversations and documents about Juventus. It was
>>this fresh evidence that led the FIGC to reopen its case
>>against the club.
>>
>>Juventus firmly deny all wrongdoing and will appeal their
>>points deduction, as well as the lengthy bans handed out to
>>former and current directors, to the Italian Olympic
>Committee
>>(CONI)’s Sports Guarantee Board. That body can overturn
>the
>>FIGC’s ruling only on procedural grounds. It cannot
>consider
>>the merits of the case. The club is expected to argue that
>>they have been subjected to double jeopardy, and that no
>>actual sporting law has been broken.
>>
>>After that, their next recourse would be to the European
>Court
>>of Arbitration for Sport . The truth is, though, that
>we
>>are only at the tip of the iceberg with what could happen
>>next. Preliminary hearings for a potential criminal case
>>stemming from the Prisma investigation will be heard in
>>March.
>>
>>There is a whole separate thread to the Turin prosecutors’
>>findings, relating to an agreement by players to waive part
>of
>>their salaries during the Covid-19 pandemic. Juventus
>released
>>a statement in March 2020 saying that a pay cut equivalent
>to
>>four months’ wages had been agreed but are accused of
>>redirecting money into bonuses to make up the difference.
>>
>>On the sporting side, meanwhile, it remains possible that
>>other clubs may be drawn in. The newspaper La Repubblica
>>reported on Sunday that Chiné has requested to see evidence
>>gathered by the public prosecutor in Naples during an
>>investigation into Napoli.
>>
>>Juventus presented a united front this weekend, with John
>>Elkann, chief executive of Exor, the holding company with a
>>controlling stake in the club, attending the Atalanta game
>in
>>person. The new CEO, Maurizio Scanavino, distanced the club
>>from the “pseudo-fans who used a language of hatred and
>>threat towards the Italian Football Federation, Gravina, his
>>family and the prosecutor Chinè” while reasserting that:
>>“we will defend ourselves decisively and forcefully but
>>always with professionalism, respect and expertise, in the
>>right ways and the appropriate places.”
>>
>>Atalanta are one of the clubs who stand to benefit from
>>Juventus’s points penalty, ending the weekend fifth in the
>>table and two points outside the top four. They have begun
>the
>>year in electric form, scoring 20 goals in five games
>between
>>Serie A and the Coppa Italia.
>>
>>Yet their manager, Gian Piero Gasperini, was not eager to
>>revel in Juventus’s fall. “When points get deducted in
>the
>>middle of a season,” he said, “that’s never a good
>sign
>>for football.”
>>
>>
>

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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232. "The cheek of Agnelli as well"
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To say, much like Fiorentino Perez, that if the club can't mint money and do whatever it wants then football will suffer. LMFAO.

Looking forward to the Italian equivalent of Graham Potter rocking up there in a few years.

>My Italian tutor saying the whole of Italy is pointing and
>laughing at Juve.
>
>Juve fans acting they’re being persecuted , and martyrs for
>Calcio
>
>Delusional as always
>
>Hopefully we snag Bremer in the exodus of players
>
>>>Summed up by the always excellent Nicky Bandini
>>>
>>>https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/jan/23/juventus-in-limbo-as-points-deduction-crisis-swirls-amid-thrilling-3-3-draw
>>>
>>>Juventus in limbo as points deduction crisis swirls amid
>>>thrilling 3-3 draw
>>>
>>>Against Atalanta, the show went on after the announcement
>of
>>a
>>>severe penalty but so much remains uncertain
>>>
>>>For a couple of hours, Juventus allowed themselves to
>>forget.
>>>The buildup to their game against Atalanta had been
>>>overshadowed by news of a 15-point penalty, a punishment
>>>nobody saw coming. Even the prosecutor leading the case
>>>against them had only asked for nine.
>>>
>>>Anger at that decision was palpable inside the Allianz
>>>Stadium. The Serie A anthem was loudly whistled and the
>>>positioning of league-branded materials on the pitch before
>>>kickoff met with hostile chanting. A banner hung by fans on
>>>the gates outside read: “Serie A or Serie B, we are
>always
>>>here. Only for Juventus FC.”
>>>
>>>And then a football match broke out. The Hives song Come On
>>>hammered out over the public address as the players lined
>up
>>>and when the music stopped it seemed as though both sets of
>>>players had carried that pummelling drumbeat with them,
>>>playing with a tempo and aggression rarely seen at this
>>venue
>>>lately.
>>>
>>>Atalanta opened the scoring when Wojciech Szczesny allowed
>>>Ademola Lookman’s shot to go through him at the near
>post,
>>>but Juventus roared back to lead before half-time. Ángel
>Di
>>>María converted a penalty after Nicolò Fagioli was
>brought
>>>down and then combined with the Italian to set up another
>>>goal, releasing his team-mate down the right with a Cruyff
>>>style heel flick. Arkadiusz Milik met the subsequent cross
>>>with a brilliant volley into the bottom corner.
>>>
>>>The game see-sawed back in Atalanta’s favour, Joakim
>>Maehle
>>>equalising at the apex of a passing triangle constructed by
>>>Giorgio Scalvini and Lookman. The latter player put his
>team
>>>back in front, heading home a cross from Jérémie Boga.
>>>
>>>Still, it wasn’t finished. In the 65th minute, Juventus
>>won
>>>a free-kick on the edge of the box and Di María feigned to
>>>shoot before rolling the ball back under his boot for
>>Danilo,
>>>who sent a daisy cutter beneath the wall. Players rushed to
>>>retrieve the ball with the urgency of a team losing in a
>cup
>>>final. The manager, Massimiliano Allegri, pumped his fists
>>>furiously on the sideline.
>>>
>>>The game finished 3-3, though not for want of effort on
>both
>>>sides to find a winner At full-time, Di María and Allegri
>>>each insisted that a top four finish for Juventus was still
>>>possible.
>>>
>>>Nobody knows if they will be allowed into the Champions
>>League
>>>next season if they make it. In the wake of Friday’s
>>ruling
>>>by the Italian Football Federation (FIGC), Uefa are
>expected
>>>to conduct their own investigations to determine whether
>>>Juventus breached the terms of their financial fair play
>>>settlement agreement. There are further layers of this
>onion
>>>to be unpeeled in the meantime.
>>>
>>>We do not yet know the official reasons for the Serie A
>>points
>>>penalty. The punishment was announced on Friday, but the
>>FIGC
>>>have until 30 January to publisha full verdict. We only
>have
>>>the case made by the prosecutor, who accused Juventus of
>>>artificially inflating revenues by assigning unrealistic
>>>values to footballers swapped in exchange deals with other
>>>clubs.
>>>
>>>The amortisation of transfer fees allows teams to spread
>the
>>>cost of any player they sign across the length of their
>>>contract. So if a club buys player A for €5m on a
>>five-year
>>>deal, and sells player B for the same fee, they can
>>>effectively write up a €4m profit on the balance sheet
>for
>>>that year.
>>>
>>>This is legal and common practice in football, but Juventus
>>>were accused of taking things too far, deploying a system
>of
>>>unrealistically-valued swaps to make themselves look better
>>>off than they were. The FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chinè,
>>>argued that this created unfair competitive advantage.
>>>
>>>An initial investigation into the misuse of
>>‘plusvalenze’
>>>(capital gains) had ended with Juventus and 10 other clubs
>>all
>>>being absolved in April last year, the FIGC concluding that
>>it
>>>was impossible to assign objective values to footballers.
>>>Separately, however, public prosecutors in Turin had been
>>>conducting their own investigation – named as Prisma –
>>>into Juventus’s actions. The club is listed on the stock
>>>exchange, so false financial reporting could be a criminal
>>>offence.
>>>
>>>Through wiretaps and searches of the club’s offices, they
>>>unearthed conversations and documents about Juventus. It
>was
>>>this fresh evidence that led the FIGC to reopen its case
>>>against the club.
>>>
>>>Juventus firmly deny all wrongdoing and will appeal their
>>>points deduction, as well as the lengthy bans handed out to
>>>former and current directors, to the Italian Olympic
>>Committee
>>>(CONI)’s Sports Guarantee Board. That body can overturn
>>the
>>>FIGC’s ruling only on procedural grounds. It cannot
>>consider
>>>the merits of the case. The club is expected to argue that
>>>they have been subjected to double jeopardy, and that no
>>>actual sporting law has been broken.
>>>
>>>After that, their next recourse would be to the European
>>Court
>>>of Arbitration for Sport . The truth is, though, that
>>we
>>>are only at the tip of the iceberg with what could happen
>>>next. Preliminary hearings for a potential criminal case
>>>stemming from the Prisma investigation will be heard in
>>>March.
>>>
>>>There is a whole separate thread to the Turin
>prosecutors’
>>>findings, relating to an agreement by players to waive part
>>of
>>>their salaries during the Covid-19 pandemic. Juventus
>>released
>>>a statement in March 2020 saying that a pay cut equivalent
>>to
>>>four months’ wages had been agreed but are accused of
>>>redirecting money into bonuses to make up the difference.
>>>
>>>On the sporting side, meanwhile, it remains possible that
>>>other clubs may be drawn in. The newspaper La Repubblica
>>>reported on Sunday that Chiné has requested to see
>evidence
>>>gathered by the public prosecutor in Naples during an
>>>investigation into Napoli.
>>>
>>>Juventus presented a united front this weekend, with John
>>>Elkann, chief executive of Exor, the holding company with a
>>>controlling stake in the club, attending the Atalanta game
>>in
>>>person. The new CEO, Maurizio Scanavino, distanced the club
>>>from the “pseudo-fans who used a language of hatred and
>>>threat towards the Italian Football Federation, Gravina,
>his
>>>family and the prosecutor Chinè” while reasserting that:
>>>“we will defend ourselves decisively and forcefully but
>>>always with professionalism, respect and expertise, in the
>>>right ways and the appropriate places.”
>>>
>>>Atalanta are one of the clubs who stand to benefit from
>>>Juventus’s points penalty, ending the weekend fifth in
>the
>>>table and two points outside the top four. They have begun
>>the
>>>year in electric form, scoring 20 goals in five games
>>between
>>>Serie A and the Coppa Italia.
>>>
>>>Yet their manager, Gian Piero Gasperini, was not eager to
>>>revel in Juventus’s fall. “When points get deducted in
>>the
>>>middle of a season,” he said, “that’s never a good
>>sign
>>>for football.”
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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226. "When you sign a young talent and connect him to the club history "
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It got a little dusty in here, not gonna lie: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505

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227. "Frank Lampard just got sacked."
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I knew he wasn’t going to be able to survive. He helped them to stay up
last season, but the team wasn’t improved and they sold their best player.
He never stood a chance, and the success that Ancelotti showed Everton before
leaving, fans weren’t going to continue to accept loss after loss.

Forget the PL, go take over a championship team again to really evolve
as a coach.

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233. "LaLiga stays trying to fuck barca up"
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can't register Gavi because La Liga says barca wage bill needs to drop 200 mill and they can't use another one-time sale to manage it.

this is why FdJ might have to be leaving,even though the 4 midfielder system is working really well. His weekly salary is nearly >700k euro.

Busi is also that high, but his contract is done after the season.

alba's pretty high as well (400k)

get rid of those three and that's 100 million off the salary cap it seems. still, jfc
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234. "Mes que un club . . . es un banc"
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Seems like Barca fucked Barca up there. Quoth Lars Sivertsen when Messi left, " I always assume these men in expensive suits know these things. Surely one of these very well paid people should have known this?"

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237. "Barto 100% fucked barca up"
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La Liga's not been any better though as well. part of this is a rule change made in November basically targeting barca over how to do the accounting regarding one time sales of future earnings (conveniently a few years *after* real madrid basically did the same thing, you know, Tebas' preferred squad). Not allowing Barca to register gavi is petty, but I get not letting them sign people.

It'd be nice if they were a little more transparent--on both sides--about the exact numbers. barca has to when they have their next meeting, but la liga's rules are opaque AF. Like, how is 200 million off salary when Pique and Memphis are already gone and barca got 12 million from winning the super cup, etc.? So it would have been 240 or 250 otherwise? cmon.

which is, in part, i think why Laporta's still gung ho on the super league. La Liga is trying to knock barca down a peg when barca is one of the two foundational clubs to La Liga's success. And Laporta doesn't want to admit how much missing out on the CL knockouts hurt (but also, how much would winning the Euro league help)?. it's all very dumb shit by rich people to fuck with each other.


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238. "Oh you'll never see me arguing that Franco-ass Real are the way either"
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>La Liga's not been any better though as well. part of this is
>a rule change made in November basically targeting barca over
>how to do the accounting regarding one time sales of future
>earnings (conveniently a few years *after* real madrid
>basically did the same thing, you know, Tebas' preferred
>squad). Not allowing Barca to register gavi is petty, but I
>get not letting them sign people.
>
>It'd be nice if they were a little more transparent--on both
>sides--about the exact numbers. barca has to when they have
>their next meeting, but la liga's rules are opaque AF. Like,
>how is 200 million off salary when Pique and Memphis are
>already gone and barca got 12 million from winning the super
>cup, etc.? So it would have been 240 or 250 otherwise? cmon.
>
>which is, in part, i think why Laporta's still gung ho on the
>super league. La Liga is trying to knock barca down a peg when
>barca is one of the two foundational clubs to La Liga's
>success. And Laporta doesn't want to admit how much missing
>out on the CL knockouts hurt (but also, how much would winning
>the Euro league help)?. it's all very dumb shit by rich people
>to fuck with each other.
>
>
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>Basaglia

This is where the Premier League is lucky they "sold out" with that sort-of divorce from the Football League when they did- when you still had investment driven by local/regional assholes like Jack Walker and Magnier/McManus rather than global assholes and oil states (yes, I know Barca is technically locally owned but the investment is coming from QSI).

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235. "Big Dyche in at Everton"
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I think he might be able to get a tune out of them. Not hard to improve over Lamps, mind.

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239. "Smart appointment."
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Take the lash to 'em.

  

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240. "I watched his Masterclass on the 4-4-2"
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It's actually a decent watch, and he's surprisingly thoughtful for someone that we think of as just shouting "GERRIT IN THE MIXER"

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242. "Football weekly was talking about that a couple months ago."
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Think it was in relation to the Chelsea job. Guys like Dyche get pigeonholed into that hard-working/well organized but tactically limited English manager category, and therefore are only suitable for the Burnleys and West Broms of the world, and thus could never be a candidate for a Champions League caliber club. Shame, really.

  

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236. "Also, LMFAO at Bielsa's pitch to the Everton board. "
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/27/everton-must-pray-arrival-of-sean-dyche-can-provide-more-clarity-than-their-own-review

Bielsa’s pitch to the Everton board was captivating – given he needs time to transform the playing style and has never taken over a European club mid-season, he would work behind the scenes for the next four months in preparation for a much-needed overhaul in the summer. Meanwhile, an interim manager would be tasked with the loaded job of keeping Everton in the Premier League and out of financial turmoil. The club rightly said no. They do not have the luxury of taking a greater risk than necessary with the 11th manager – caretakers included – to lead the club in just under a decade.

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241. "Nathan Ake, another one that got away."
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Well, no FA CUP for the Gunners of Arsenal.

Will they shit the bed on winning the EPL?

There is still so much football to be played.

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243. "I've been wanting to post about him 4 a few weeks: Mitoma!! Star"
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This guy is so freaking good. So skilled, in a matter of weeks he's become one of my favorite non-arsenal players

This goal today is Dennis Bergkamp level filth!

https://youtu.be/pLMTZtEg8iE

  

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244. "serious baller. i expect him to be at City next season"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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245. "meanwhile Brighton need to let Caicedo go now...clear they don't him to"
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make Europa league spot

  

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246. "Weston Mckennie goes on loan to Leeds United"
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with an option to be purchased at the end of the season.

Hmmm, there is some quality there.
He has regressed a little compared to his play a few years ago.
It’s not working out for him in boring ass Serie A.

Maybe he can get back on track in the PL.

So Leeds is officially America United..

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247. "Jorginho Arsenal. 🙃 decent bench option I suppose "
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251. "i'm sure he's stoked to get out of the hell hole that is Chelsea."
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plus, he's not mid-table anymore.

  

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252. "FOH. He conquered all of Europe at Chelsea."
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He did nothing but win trophies at Chelsea.

What has Arsenal won?

What has MU won since Fergie went senile?

1 trophy a piece

We won more trophies in one season in the past 10 years
than Arsenal and MU combined during the same time period.

Speak on that.

You got a squad player who has won more trophies than your entire
organization in the past 2 decades!

18!


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248. "The best team in Europe closer to the Scudetto w a win over Rome"
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Victor Osimhen is better than any striker in Europe. period.

and they still loom large in the Champions League


SERIE A: 2022-2023
Napoli 2, Roma 1: Match Highlights
The Giallorossi gave it their all but it wasn’t to be, as they fall 2-1 to the league leaders in Naples.

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The Serie A top-four race this season has to be more open than any in recent memory. Between Juve’s point deduction, Milan’s regression to the mean, and Inter’s inconsistency, Roma is as well-positioned as ever to make a return to the Champions League next season, with today’s match against Napoli being a golden opportunity to solidify their hold on a top-four spot. Unfortunately, despite an impressive performance from the Giallorossi that saw Roma go toe-to-toe with the league leaders for nearly the entirety of the match, Roma ultimately fall 2-1 in a back-and-forth affair.

Roma went into the match as one of the hottest teams in the league since the restart, having taken 10 out of a possible 12 points while their top-four rivals have collapsed around them. And, of course, we all know Napoli is and has been the class of the league this season, so with those two elements at play, you certainly felt the stakes of the match to start.

The opening stages of the match made it clear both sides would go for it, but despite Roma looking well up for it, Napoli began to flex their offensive muscles as they continued to grow into the match, and in the 17th minute, Mario Rui found Khvicha Kvaratskhelia in space, who crossed the ball into Victor Osimhen, and as the league’s top scorer is wont to do, took the ball down on this chest, settled the ball with his knee to set up the volley, and rifled the ball past a helpless Rui Patricio to give the home side the lead on the night with his 14th goal of the season.

You can certainly blame Roger Ibañez for his inability to clear the ball, let alone give Osimhen enough time to get a shot off, but simultaneously this was just a pure moment of magic from the Nigerian striker.

Naturally, the goal forced Roma to open up a bit more than they otherwise would’ve, but even still, the Giallorossi did little to threaten the Napoli goal, evidenced by a 37th-minute attempt being Roma’s first shot on target since the 12th minute—their offensive ineptitude rearing its ugly head once again.

Roma nearly leveled the match right at the end of added time, with some nice combination play between Paulo Dybala and Lorenzo Pellegrini leading to a Leonardo Spinazzola shot that required Alex Meret to make a fine save. The action gave you just enough hope that Roma could find a way to get on the scoresheet in the second half.

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In an attempt to give Roma an additional option in the attack, José Mourinho brought on Stephan El Shaarawy in place of Spinazzola to start the second half. A surprising substitution given the attacking threat Spinazzola displayed at the end of the first, but this likely was just an admission by Mourinho that SES should’ve been on to start, given his recent run of form.

Mourinho’s substitution nearly paid immediate dividends, as Nicola Zalewski found the winger practically unmarked in the box for a clear header on goal. Surprisingly, SES opted to head the ball back across the goal toward Tammy Abraham, who was unable to get on the ball.


As the team chasing the match, Roma naturally had the majority of the possession to start the second half, with Napoli seemingly content to wait for their opportunity to hit on the counter. And sure enough, they nearly made Roma pay at the first opportunity, with Chucky Lozano forcing Chris Smalling into an uncharacteristic mistake that led to the Mexican winger being in on goal. Fortunately, Lozano made the same mistake that SES made minutes earlier, electing to pass the ball to Kvara rather than take the shot, giving Roma just enough time to get numbers back and the ball cleared.

Roma’s best opportunity to equalize up to this point in the match occurred right at the hour mark, as the Giallorossi had the opportunity to flex their set-piece muscles and nearly scored from a corner kick as they’ve done so many times this season. Of course, Napoli once again nearly found a second goal on the subsequent counter-attack.

To make matters worse for the away side, Roma’s task became all the more difficult in the 73rd minute, as Tammy was forced off through injury, replaced by Andrea Belotti.

However, just minutes later, Roma finally got their equalizer. With time quickly running out, Roma began committing numbers forward, and eventually, Zalewski was able to cross the ball into the box and find SES, who got just enough of the ball to direct it toward goal, bouncing off Meret to go into the back of the net.

Having finally scored the equalizer and with Kvara and Osimhen subbed out of the match, the final 10 minutes gave Roma a golden opportunity to capitalize on their momentum and steal a win in Naples.

Unfortunately, the football gods had other plans for this one. With five minutes to go, Giovanni Simeone received the ball at the top of the box and, with a quick turn and Smalling too far away to catch up, fired the ball into the top corner to restore Napoli’s lead.

Cristian Volpato came on in place of Bryan Cristante as Roma desperately pushed for the equalizer, but it wasn't to be for Roma as they couldn’t find a second equalizer despite six minutes of added time, falling 2-1 to the league leaders on the night.


There’s certainly no shame in losing to the league leaders on the road, but given Roma’s position in the match with just five minutes to go, this defeat will sting. Roma has a relatively easy month ahead, and you trust the club to shake off defeat, but this certainly was a missed opportunity for the Giallorossi.

In case you missed any of the action, enjoy the highlights below. The official league highlights are available here.


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>December is almost over, so I’m placing one up to cover
>this last week and for next month.
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>Okay, time to get back to real Futbol business. Chelsea has
>always been
>spectacular in the second half of a season. This season should
>be no
>different.
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>A lot of key players will be returning from injury. Fofana and
>James have been cleared
>to play, and I believe Kante is ready to go as well.
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>Plus we have been playing fantastic Futbol in the CL….
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>Time to surge. You’ve been warned.
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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249. "Arsenal love our leftovers!"
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Peace out to a good squad player. We won several trophies with him
as a 6. Over time his play regressed and he lost his place
at Chelsea. However, there was a time where he is was a permanent fixture
in the lineup. He came over with Sarri to usher in the
“Sarri Ball” era. Thank you for everything Jorginho! You
will be remembered.

We bring over former Arsenal players and win trophies …Ashley Cole, Giroud,
Fabregas.

Arsenal brings over former Chelsea players and stay right where they are.

Bwhahahaha…just having a little fun.

This might be Arsenal’s year.

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AC Milan hit crisis point as Stefano Pioli’s fire goes out

MILAN, ITALY - JANUARY 29: Sandro Tonali and Tommaso Pobega of AC Milan looks dejected following the team's defeat during the Serie A match between AC MIlan and US Sassuolo at Stadio Giuseppe Meazza on January 29, 2023 in Milan, Italy. (Photo by Marco Luzzani/Getty Images)
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A penitent Davide Calabria, the AC Milan captain, trudged towards the Curva Sud and held his hands up, imploring the stacked mass of ultras for forgiveness.

The San Siro crowd, Italy’s toughest to please, had not turned on its own. But there were some whistles, an atmosphere of disquiet exacerbated by Calabria’s team-mates scuffling with Sassuolo players as they descended the steps to the dressing room, making the long introspective walk down the tunnel with five goals and a historic defeat on their conscience.

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Ever since small-town Sassuolo gained promotion to Serie A a decade ago, an achievement that frankly still beggars belief, a molecule in the helix of their football DNA seems predisposed to causing teams from Milan extremes of joy and pain. In May, an incredulous Stefano Pioli and his euphoric players were in the midst of a pitch invasion after unexpectedly winning a first Scudetto in 11 years on a balmy afternoon at Sassuolo’s Mapei stadium. Six months later, they were apologising for a 5-2 defeat to the same opponent.

Up in the stands, Milan’s ashen-faced technical director, Paolo Maldini, knew what the team was experiencing. The legendary defender had been there and conceded more goals in a single game at San Siro, a 6-1 thrashing against the Juventus of Zinedine Zidane and Christian Vieri in the spring of 1997. Considering the players Milan had at that time, the scoreline long figured as an aberration regardless of the context. It was a transition year and Milan finished 11th, the cognitive dissonance still fairly powerful given the club brought back Arrigo Sacchi, only for the double European Cup-winning coach to fail to get a tune out of an illustrious orchestra featuring Franco Baresi, Marcel Desailly, Dejan Savicevic, Zvone Boban, Roby Baggio and the dread-locked kid in the wraparound Oakleys, Edgar Davids.

Oddly, that glittering team, a more talented one than this vintage, was in a far worse position. Milan were second going into the weekend’s game, the same position as at this stage last year. How curious, then, that the prospect of a 5-2 defeat did not seem out of character.


Sassuolo celebrate their convincing win at AC Milan on Sunday (Photo: Marco Luzzani/Getty Images)
It was, instead, alarmingly on-trend. Milan have unravelled with a stupefying suddenness since Roma, out of nowhere, turned a certain 2-0 defeat on January 8 — “a game we dominated,” Maldini said — into a morale-crushing 2-2 draw with last-gasp set-piece goals from Roger Ibanez and Tammy Abraham. Disappointing as it was, the two points dropped should not have floored the champions, but the team has appeared insecure ever since.

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The 10 men of Torino knocked Milan out of the Coppa Italia in extra time, with the goalscorer Adopo’s name serving as nominative determinism in translation. In Italian, it means: see you later. Down on Italy’s heel the following weekend, Milan were leggy and got another stiletto to their fragile confidence. Two-nil down at half-time to Lecce, it could have been worse and while the players launched a spirited comeback, almost rescuing more than a point, it did not bode well for the Supercoppa in Saudi Arabia.

Inter, inconsistent in their own way, tore through them in Riyadh, retaining the trophy with a convincing 3-0 win. “It’s a tough blow to take,” Pioli said. “But we’ll have the strength to react.”

Milan’s reaction was to then lose by four to Lazio and let in five against Sassuolo. Between the ferns in San Siro’s press room, Pioli was asked what he felt. Grimacing in his rollneck, he pronounced one word: “Pain.”

The Scudetto on Milan’s shirts has come unstitched. Keeping it already seemed a tall order. Milan are only four points worse off than a year ago but unlike then, they have a title rival doing the extraordinary. If Serie A were a Mario Kart circuit, Napoli are on close to record pace after 20 games, power-drifting through stars and mushrooms, racing against history and the ghosts of Juventus in 2014 (102 points) and 2018 rather than the present, spluttering pack.

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Milan’s title win, while a story of identity and aura rediscovered, bore less resemblance to others in the club’s illustrious history and more with the improbable fairytale exploits of Verona in 1985 and Sampdoria in 1991, when teams with smaller budgets seized the moment and overcame the odds.

The magic spell cast two years ago when Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Simon Kjaer joined the club, raising standards and taking the pressure off a group of kids with talent still yet to be fulfilled, had an exponential effect that endured. Alas, it now seems nearly broken, a reminder of the fragile and fleeting nature of success and how precious it was that the players, coach and club made sure they were ready when the opportunity to win a Scudetto presented itself this time last year. After all, you never know when it might come around again. Saying ‘next year’ as consolation after a failed title bid is no guarantee, and 2023 serves as ample demonstration of that.

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How, then, to explain Milan’s travails amid the unrealistic expectations of a repeat and the acknowledgement that this is a relative crisis in a season in which progress has at least been made in qualifying for the Champions League knockout stages for the first time since 2014.

The protracted absence of goalkeeper Mike Maignan has been glaring every time B-movie hitman Ciprian Tatarusanu concedes at his near post. Fikayo Tomori and Pierre Kalulu have missed his presence, their precocious partnership broken up by injury over the autumn and affected by oscillating form.


Sassuolo’s Armand Lauriente fires past Ciprian Tatarusanu (Photo: Marco Luzzani/Getty Images)
Theo Hernandez, like his fellow France international team-mate Olivier Giroud, has gone from losing a World Cup final straight into Serie A, the backline scantly protected by the habitual ball-watcher Sandro Tonali and a Serie A MVP in Rafa Leao. Off the pitch, the Portuguese is debating whether to commit to a new contract; on it, he has never been the most diligent at tracking back at the best of times. Italy’s meanest defence last season is now only two goals away from matching the total it conceded in the entirety of the 2021-22 campaign, with 18 games remaining.

“Last year’s title was down to our spirit and that needs finding again,” Maldini said. Too often since the league resumed, Milan have looked spaced out, the players scattering like pigeons in Piazza Duomo rather than maintaining a compact, tough-to-play-through shape.

Pioli’s attempts to snap his players out of it have, thus far, failed. After Milan lost a friendly 3-0 to PSV during the World Cup, he cancelled their day off, dismayed by the players’ attitude. The 57-year-old did the same following the Lazio defeat, a performance made all the more worrying by Milan’s inability to stay in the game. The training sessions since, Pioli said, “Were the best in recent times for concentration and application.” He did not see a 5-2 defeat coming.

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Pioli has not been under this scrutiny since Milan lost 5-0 to Atalanta before Christmas three years ago. He was two months into the job at the time and the shadow of Ralf Rangnick began to stalk him. But Pioli turned it around and Milan’s trajectory has been onwards and upwards, the credit in the bank and goodwill undeniable, a place in posterity as assured as the Scudetto tattooed on his forearm.


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Hope in a reversal of fortune remains and perhaps it has already started with Pioli admitting: “The things that worked up until a few weeks ago are not working, so it’s clear there will be some changes. It would be foolish on my part to carry on down a path that isn’t getting results.”

Whether that’s going to a back three or losing a No 10 to stiffen the midfield remains to be seen. This time last year, Pioli was attracting plaudits for updating his methodology, mixing avant-garde pressing with pleasingly unpredictable build-up concepts. As contradictory as it sounds, Milan were simultaneously one-dimensional, their winning formula a blend of clean sheets and ‘palla a Rafa’ — get it to Leao.

But the team has stopped evolving. On the one hand, that’s down to Pioli, his line-ups and in-game decisions. Take Sunday, for example. Pioli once again placed faith in part-time centre-back and full-time revolving door Matteo Gabbia rather than Malick Thiaw. He disregarded Yacine Adli again and left Leao out of the starting XI, bringing him on for Charles De Ketelaere when Ante Rebic was on a booking.

More generally, the refusal to consider De Ketelaere for Milan’s problem position on the right wing in favour of Junior Messias and Alexis Saelemaekers has been a source of bafflement, surpassed only by Pioli spending the first months of the season teaching his €36million (£31.6m; $39.2m) Scudetto present the role just off Giroud only to abandon the experiment and go back to Brahim Diaz at Milan’s No 10. “De Ketelaere has a five-year contract,” Maldini said. “We can’t judge him after five months.”


Stefano Pioli is under pressure at AC Milan (Photo: Marco Luzzani/Getty Images)
This was once true of Tonali and Leao, who only began to fulfil their potential after a year learning the ropes under San Siro’s red girders. Nevertheless, the summer transfer window was, in retrospect, the worst at Milan since January 2021, when Maldini thought Mario Mandzukic, now retired, and Soualiho Meite, now at Cremonese, might help his team get the edge on Antonio Conte’s Inter.

In fairness, the takeover caused delays last summer but so did Maldini and Ricky Massara (M&M) running their contracts down and pointing to the Scudetto to obtain more power under owners RedBird than they enjoyed under Elliott. Milan lost the month of June and wasted time on Sven Botman, a player they didn’t need in light of Kalulu’s emergence, not to mention the PSG-bound Renato Sanches. The groundwork chief scout Geoffrey Moncada laid to sign Enzo Fernandez went to waste. The World Cup winner joined Benfica instead and, only six months later, he may move to Chelsea for close to 10 times what the Portuguese league leaders paid River Plate to sign him.

The pivot from Botman to De Ketelaere and Leeds’ ability to bid higher meant the deal for the Belgium international dragged on. Divock Origi arrived injured, Sergino Dest was a haphazard reaction to Alessandro Florenzi’s injury and the Aster Vranckx and Thiaw signings only came when Milan were paid the sell-on clause in Lucas Paqueta’s contract. As a window, it’s close to the 6-1 defeat Maldini suffered to Juventus in 1997 and while fans round on Tatarusanu, remember how instead of sourcing a better backup goalkeeper for Maignan, Milan signed an unknown Colombian playing in Paraguay, the worst M&M collaboration since… (I can’t think of a worse Eminem collaboration).

The blame must be shared. Milan fell out of the top four on Sunday and can’t let this drift continue when Atalanta, Roma and Lazio have all started 2023 so well. They need a spark. Pioli’s on fire, an anthem at San Siro these past two years, smoulders rather than roars. The question now is: can it be rekindled? Or will it extinguish in next week’s Derby della Madonnina?

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If Napoli somehow get purple shelled and mess it up from this point I think I’ll cry…

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Can't see anyone catching them really. They are flying and amazing to watch. Roma made it one hell of a game though.

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I know, but it’s the Spurs fan in me. I just can’t not think something might still go wrong… 😶😖

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Ken T.
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Napoli have been without both Oshimen and Kavra this season and have more than managed to win in their absence. They have also been without Rrahmani. Juan Jesus in his absence haa stepped in and done a fine job.
Spaletti also rotates the squad to keep everyone fresh. It is hard to see them not win it but hey, it's football.

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Seconded! FORZA NAPOLI!

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@Ken T. Napoli will win it simply because all the teams below them are in a car crash.

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Hi James. I have been following the premier league for a very long time and serieA for about 7 years now. The TV pundits especially the British keep telling us that the PL is a lot faster than the serieA. I agreed with it when I was first watching the serieA but for the past few seasons the serieA has gone a lot faster. Teams like Milan, Napoli, Inter, Atalanta, Lazio on their day and even Roma are a good watch because of the 'intensity' they maintain throughout. Ofcourse the Referees call foul on tackles that the Premier league refs would let go but there isn't much difference in pace of the game to my amateur eyes. And of course the refereeing standards in the serieA is better.

Am I wrong in my assessment and is serieA is still the slower tactical league it used to be or is serieA catching up to the PL in terms of how fast the football is?

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@Ken T. Hi Ken, Thanks for the question. I think intensity can be measured in multiple ways. In England, for example, the league is physical and quick. In Italy, it's mental. Coaches expect players to process a lot of information. Then there's the pressurised atmosphere of playing at grounds like San Siro/the Olimpico and knowing, if results slide, the ultras will expect an audience. But I do think the answer is in between. It's still football, still the same game. Italian coaches are able to apply their ideas in England. No nationality has won more Premier League titles. Look at De Zerbi ATM. It often comes down to technical and overall quality of player too. The better footballers available to you the faster you can play. The Premier League right now has more money and attracts more talent. I don't consider Serie A slow or pedestrian. Just not quite as fast and even then it's pretty nuanced. Capello keeps saying it's down to the refereeing and match officials blowing for every foul in Italy whereas Premier League referees LET IT FLOW

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Thanks James, much appreciated. Big fan of your work. I miss the Golazooooo show.

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Joe B.
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“No nationality has won more Premier League titles” … I mean, 4 is great and all. But Scotland has 14 of them 😅

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Ken T.
· 22h 18m ago
Probably meant foreign national.

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@Joe B. 4 different coaches, Joe. Sir Alex is responsible for 13 of them

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Maximum coins for that lap ‘Tanooki’ Horncastle 👌

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Justin S.
· Yesterday
Serie A may not be at the top of the financial pile, but in terms of form swings and drama year to year, it's really the pinnacle.

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Justin S.
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@Justin S. And great piece as always, James.

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Andy L.
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James, the biggest scandal involving Serie A is the lack of Golazzo podcast episodes in recent times, when will this be corrected?

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Mark C.
· Yesterday
James, we need your investigative skills to find out if Berlusconi kept his, ahem, promise after Monza's win 😂

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James Horncastle
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@Mark C. This was posted after the win... twitter.com/ACMonza/status/1619748102826766337

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Tommy G.
· Yesterday
Fantastic as always, James! With this, the Juve meltdown and the fantastic game in Naples last night, another riveting season. I hope Samp can turn it around but sadly looked doomed. Oh, and I'll also be sure to use the term 'Adopo' more frequently in conversation.

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IKR! Potentially 4 different league winners in consecutive seasons. Where are we looking and how far back for another top coefficient ranked European league to have delivered that for thrills and spills?

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That's a really good point - can't take that for granted in an era where Bayern win 10 in a row. I guess you go back to Ligue 1 2012-13 where they had no less than a SIXTH different winner in as many seasons - a decade ago! 😩

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Steven L.
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Hello James ....Great article....just back from Holiday in Italy. Spent many happy hours on trains there re- listening to many Golazzo episodes ( Malesani cazzo the best)..... is there any plans to record any new episodes?? Still many stories from the golden days to touch on......May is suggest Golazzo " The Football Italia ( C4) Days? Would be a great listen

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· Yesterday
excellent piece as always. i am a milanista and i anticipated a dip in form, but not a collapse. and not a collapse unfolding so fast.

- i think pioli’s stubborness to play his trusted core, when clearly some are misfiring, cost them a couple of games. he is unwilling to give more chances to thiaw, vranckx, cdk, adli, even when clearly to team is playing horrendous football. how can cdk play better when he doesn’t actually play?
- maignan’s absence is critical. this defense, since pioli took over, has been blessed w/ 2 world class gks (donnarumma, maignan) and defenders are more comfortable being more aggressive. the gk has their back. tatarusanu is not a gk that should be playing for the italian champions. even as a backup.
- maldini and massara, along w/ cardinale, need to get their ducks in a row, unless they want to become a version of arsenal in the past 5 yrs, before this season. a team playing for the 5-6 spots in serie a.
- the games w/ inter and the double w/ tottenham will be decisive for pioli. if he loses these games, i think he’s out by the end of february or early march.

i believe that the talent to be in top 4 is there but they might need ibra’s personality again to shock them into life.

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Enzo G.
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That Mario Kart reference made me laugh, anyway great read as usual James.

As a Napoli fan, putting the Rossoneri 15 points behind us is incredible as before christmas i thought they were the most likely to challenge us for the scudetto. However, it is baffling to see how a side can just completely dismantle. sure, Maignan is a big miss for them, but it's the whole team that just look like a deer in headlights.

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David O.
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The transfer policy is certainly one that will kill us. We've gone from talking about opening a winning cycle to fighting for sanity at this point. Any team will bludgeon this team

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· Yesterday
I was at that 6-1 defeat in 1997. I remember the crowd reaction. The ultras left little fires (burning newspaper) on their seats as they left early.

I was thinking of going to the derby this coming weekend. But I fear the result could be similar. There's no spine to the current team...they're too easy to play against. Giroud can't do it on his own nor can Leao, and he needs someone to cover behind him, as does Tonali. And when that cover is second or third choice centre halves and a keeper well out of his depth you're going to concede lots of goals. Which is where we are.

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The 🐐 M.
· Yesterday
Cheap ownership
🔴⚫️ per sempre.

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Stan B.
· Yesterday
The Eminem collaboration song with Ed Sheeran surely has to be in with a shout, that was dreadful

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@Stan B. So that's what I thought. I then doubted myself after seeing the 'listens' on Spotify. I should have gone with my gut

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Matt A.
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Dread-locked is an outdated term with negative connotations. Locked would be a more appropriate way to describe Edgar Davids' hair.

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Chidi N.
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Very outdated. There is nothing dreadful about locks.

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Love a god old nominative determinism

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Tommaso B.
· Yesterday
It seems tension will cause Maldini to go in the summer. Maldini wanted Zaniolo but wasn’t backed. It now seems likely CL won’t happen, Milan are simply not good enough. The transfer window was v poor last year and we still have numerous holes. We regressed in talent, not improved on the talent we let go/keep;

- Origi been injured and poor, so no decent back up Giroud
- No other striker option. Just the idea of Ibra in the squad who is not returning and never really was
- No decent right sided forward
- No replacement for Kessie, just a kid who is not trusted
- No replacement for Romangnoli who could challenge the two starters for a starting berth, just two boys not good enough
- No adequate back up to Hernandez
- Bakayoko still at club, smoking his cigar after contributing nothing

Pioli has been stubborn too, but the Club, the players have also been at fault. Everyone, all apart from the fans… still 70k there on Sunday.

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Origins was always going to be a terrible acquisition. Not sure what anyone was thinking

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Zaniolo didn’t happen because of concerns over his injury record? Or cost of deal?

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Bet Charles is regretting not moving to Leeds at this point

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Mario L.
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@Paul G. Has anyone ever regretted not moving to Leeds? Seems really like a no-brainer.

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@Paul G. Was he that good to being with? 👀

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December is almost over, so I’m placing one up to cover
>this last week and for next month.
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>Okay, time to get back to real Futbol business. Chelsea has
>always been
>spectacular in the second half of a season. This season should
>be no
>different.
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>A lot of key players will be returning from injury. Fofana and
>James have been cleared
>to play, and I believe Kante is ready to go as well.
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>Plus we have been playing fantastic Futbol in the CL….
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>Time to surge. You’ve been warned.
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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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253. "Chelsea breaks the PL transfer record to sign Enzo."
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SMH

This is for a player who has never played in a top league, this is
utterly insane. I can just imagine what the contract is going to be.

Probably a 15 year deal on premium wages knowing Todd…and I’m not joking!
It’s going to be some crazy long shit to support the transfer price. Todd thinks
these moves are clever to make big buys. Stretch the transfer amount across
a long, long term contract to keep the books balanced for financial fair play.

This shit is going to kill us. If these players don’t perform at a high level to increase
their value it will be a huge huge loss. Plus the club will be stuck with a bad player
on expensive wages for close to a decade.


Only positive side to this, is that he comes from Benfica. David Luiz and Ramires both
came from Benfica, and they were studs. However, we got them for an amount that was
below their actual value.







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254. "hate to admit, but this is the 1 deal Chelsea did this month that'll def"
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255. "We shall see. "
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An 8 year deal for a 22 year old midfielder, where the transfer fee was 120 million?

Here is the kicker. Benfica put that tag on him because they didn’t want to sell
him. They didn’t think a team would pay 120 mil for a midfielder. No other team was
interested in that price.

He is the most expensive midfielder in futbol history.

We are gambling on potential and potential alone.

I screamed and yelled at this whole board over the Havertz and Werner deals,
and how the players were highly overrated and that we were going to lose money
on those deals

We bought Werner for 50 million euros, sold him for 30 million. L

We bought Havertz for 85 million euros. His value right now is probably
around 50 million, and that’s a stretch. L

No CM in history of the game has ever been worth 120 million or more… not Zinidine, not Xavi, not Fabregas, not Xabi, not Gerrard, etc, etc.

We are gambling on a young, unproven midfielder to play at the level of Messi
for the next 8 years in order for him to live up to his current valuation

That is not logical.

Either these moves will bring Chelsea great success or Chelsea will fall into
a miserable place. There will be no middle ground.




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256. "La Liga up to that bullshit"
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Fighting Gavi's renewal to try to force him to be a youth registration whose contract expires this summer so...what? so the EPL can scoop him up? Meanwhile, the kid continues to get underpaid and it's all based on a change to their rules they snuck through in late November when Gavi signed the contract two months earlier but Barca needed to wait for the winter window because of FFP. So even though Barca cleared more payroll than Gavi would take up, it's not ok because of potential future season issues with payroll. So Araujo is in a similar boat, having signed a contract in April but not registered under it because La Liga is demanding something unclear.

jfc. what a joke of a league. talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

and MLS fucked around and the Julian Araujo signing is in doubt because the papers went in to La Liga less than a minute after the deadline (what a stupid system). Hopefully FIFA allows the transfer. He's headed to Barca B, seems like he wants the move and it'd be good for MLS to have a potential Barca player who came up through MLS. just petty shit by Tebas left and right (leagues should not be run by people with open allegiances to clubs in the league).

Tebas is so aggressively working against Barca, it's no wonder Barca continues to push for the super league. which just won a ruling last week or so...fucking disappointing.

  

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