"They are really trying to demonize Ima Udoka from getting " Wed Nov-02-22 01:13 PM by allStah
this job.
Malika Andrews should be fired. She is screaming there is no accountability from Udoka or the NBA because he is being considered for the position, and that it’s a a slap in the face to women.
Two adults had a consensual relationship that was deemed inappropriate because employees having relationships within the organization goes against their code of conduct. They are trying paint this man out to be a rapist or a criminal.
OTL is stating that it was an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate, as if he was dealing with some type of teenager or young intern. The only crime that was committed was an immoral one, which both parties have to deal with with their partners.
Accountability goes both ways in this situation, and Udoka is entitled to seek and acquire labor as a free citizen.
Udoka’s record as a person and a leader prior to this issue was pristine. He made a moral mistake, but that should not prevent him from getting work within his profession.
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1. "*GULP.......I agree." In response to Reply # 0
Based on what we know...he violated a Celtics rule, not an NBA one.
Optics may not be the best, but optics aren't always rooted in facts. I just hope the Nets or whatever organization moves forward with him has done their research/investigation.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
>RE: You know as much as I do about this whole thing. >Which is to say - nothing. I imagine the story will come out >now that Boston can leak it. > >But uh - you just called for someone to get fired. Why? No >crime was committed!
Dude's like Kyrie who was hugely influential then not influential at all within a minute.
9. "Yeah, Malika should be fired for her guerrilla form of" In response to Reply # 2 Wed Nov-02-22 03:37 PM by allStah
reporting on black men, and not respecting the opinions of her peers when they think or have opinions that are opposite than hers….It was quite obvious with this entire Udoka situation.
And her sister doesn’t fall far from the tree with that bullshit lie she said about Steph Curry.
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You remember Malika did the same thing regarding Giannis possibly leaving Milwaukee after he just lost in ECF….Giannis walked out on her, and Steph looked down at Kendra in regards to her lie.
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18. "Yup - you can't have it both ways re: freedom of expression/speech" In response to Reply # 11
If you are championing Kanye's right to express himself and speak his mind - and criticize those who want to silence his speech merely for his opinion, then you can't credibly call for the silencing/firing of those who you happen to disagree with, based on their opinions. Not if you actually are standing by the purported principle of freedom of expression.
Personally I'm a huge fan of Malika and don't find her viewpoints to be controversial, and certainly not warranted of her losing her opportunity.
Either we stand for the rights of others to express themselves freely or we don't, but there's a whole lot of 1st Amendment feigning in our society these days.
23. "Right but not to allstah. That’s the point " In response to Reply # 22
He seems to be amongst the many who don’t understand what the first amendment means. Nobody is being arrested for this stuff, obviously. But why does he want a talking head fired? He can’t REALLY say.
25. "You guys don’t read, and you must be white." In response to Reply # 18 Wed Nov-02-22 11:19 PM by allStah
Malika has a HISTORY of not only trying to demonize black men, but also for lying( see Giannis). She doesn’t do it to white athletes, and she tries to shut down anyone who disagrees with her ( see Stephen A and Kendrick Perkins).
Fuck her and her sister.
A lot of black men and BLACK WOMAN don’t like Malika….and rightfully so!
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13. "whoa hang on" In response to Reply # 9 Wed Nov-02-22 05:11 PM by Stadiq
You were all in the Kanye thread yelling people down that we can't talk about him because we've never started a ($15k a year unaccredited scam) school...
Unless I am mistaken, you've never been a member of the media...so you can't talk about Malika.
And unless I am missing a pretty big development, you have never owned or managed an NBA franchise so you can't talk about the Celtics.
You don't know what its like to be in their positions, so you have to stop speaking ill of them.
Oh and Malika is expressing her opinion. Like you said Kanye was doing.
You probably forgot you took these stances...so I assume you are going to step back and stop speaking on this, no?
Unless...you are being inconsistent and just have much lower standards for a select (rich and famous) few who also happen to say horrible things? That can't be it...
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Thu Nov-03-22 07:41 AM
31. "lmao dude painted himself into a corner" In response to Reply # 13
but he don’t give a fuck about facts.. lol.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
37. "This is dumb." In response to Reply # 33 Thu Nov-03-22 11:28 AM by allStah
And is a strawman’s theory. There is no similarity here whatsoever. Kanye feels he has been wronged by Jews within his business practice and that there is a double standard where Jews can get away with things that other cultures can’t. Plus there is a mental component.
Malika is a journalists who goes out of her way to demonize black male athletes and she has already been caught lying on black athletes…as well as her sister.
Those situations aren’t even in the same ballpark or are synonymous in any way or form.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
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39. ""I support people of my ethnicity, as long as they're men" - allstah" In response to Reply # 37 Thu Nov-03-22 11:45 AM by Hitokiri
"Doesn't matter if they launch disgusting insults at my people like "400 years? Sounds like a choice,' or imply that they can't think for themselves, or state there's nothing harder to be in the world than a white man... as long as they're of my ethniticity... and a male, I support them. Good or bad. Those rules obviously don't apply to women"
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."
41. "Good lord. " In response to Reply # 39 Thu Nov-03-22 11:59 AM by allStah
I never agreed with those statements that Kanye made about his own culture, and I already spoke on that. So you’re wrong, and I already stated that I don’t agree with how Kanye has handled things ( while I still support him because there is a mental component with his situation).
Question, are you white?
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43. "Nigga please." In response to Reply # 41 Thu Nov-03-22 12:28 PM by Hitokiri
You do more defending of white people accused of racism and being beneficiaries of white privilege and supremacy than anyone on this board. You defend whiteness more than you defend damn near anything else.
You said you support Kanye because you support people of your ethnicity. Good or bad. You didn't say you support people with mental health concerns good or bad. You said you support him because he's black. Malika Andrews is Black. Hasn't said a tenth of the shit Kanye has said. But you don't support her. You don't support Sha'carri. It's not hard to see the pattern.
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."
48. "Malika Andrews is a reporter and journalists, negro!" In response to Reply # 43 Thu Nov-03-22 08:26 PM by allStah
Do you know what that means?
It means that there is a responsibility to report the news without bias, prejudice, opinion or judgement!
She has a responsibility to be impartial in her reporting.
“To maintain objectivity in journalism, journalists should present the facts whether or not they like or agree with those facts. Objective reporting is meant to portray issues and events in a neutral and unbiased manner, regardless of the writer's opinion or personal beliefs.”
Read that again.
She fails at that, and is the reason why she should be fired and removed from her position. She is a member of the associated press..she knows the responsibilities of a journalists, but disregards it to push her own personal beliefs and opinions.
This doesn’t have shit to do with Kanye or relate to him in any form or fashion.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Wed Nov-02-22 02:06 PM
4. "Damn.. I have to agree" In response to Reply # 0
Can’t lie, I was thrown when I seem his name since he was suspended but I didn’t even think to realize it wasn’t handed down by the NBA and he is free to work anywhere he wants.
I bet this is a rule for Black men and not white execs or coaches. If she wasn’t white I doubt its a big deal.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
6. "It's one thing for the Celtics to suspend him for the season" In response to Reply # 0
it's another thing to say that he shouldn't get *any* other opportunity out there. There's a lot we don't know about the entire situation, but based on what's in the public realm, it certainly seems like it was a consensual relationship -- not necessarily the biggest cardinal sin in the world.
Boston takes more of a puritan approach to this and they have a right to do so, but the Nets also have a right to say that it's not a deal-breaker for them and to welcome him as head coach. It's weird to me that people want to prevent him from ever working again based on what's been reported to have happened.
I actually think the Nets came up in a very advantageous position with this. Udoka already has rapport w/ the players and when he was there, this Nets team was playing quite well and were a KD toe from beating the Bucks in the playoffs (who went on to become champs).
Udoka had a standout year with the Celtics of course - and now brings that experience to the Nets to attempt to salvage the season.
I don't see how the Nets could've come out any better in terms of replacing Nash and installing the best leadership available for *this* squad.
7. "Based on what we know - which isn't much..." In response to Reply # 6
It seems very, very strange to let a guy who got them to the Finals walk for no compensation to a division rival.
I'm sure more will come out - so I'm waiting to see what the deal is before forming what I think on this because so much of this thread is correct if the assumptions that are made are correct, but we don't know anything.
8. "Marcus Smart spoke on this very same situation." In response to Reply # 6 Wed Nov-02-22 03:31 PM by allStah
He said Ime’s name and image were slaughtered, and he was deemed morally and professionally unfit to be the coach for the Celtics, but a few months later it’s okay for him to coach for one of our biggest rivals?…(then if that’s the case he should still be coaching for the Celtics)
Something doesn’t add up here and doesn’t make sense from a professional stand point. You can tell he was bothered by it all and still wants Ime to be his coach, but it’s out of his hands.
"Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews."
"The independent law firm probe into Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka found that he used crude language in his dialogue with a female subordinate prior to the start of an improper workplace relationship with the woman, an element that significantly factored into the severity of his one-year suspension, sources told ESPN."
Yet everyone online is insistent that he got suspended for a consensual relationship. When the reports explicitly say they knew about that relationship in July and didn't punish him.
17. "I would ask you the same question. Did you read it?" In response to Reply # 12 Wed Nov-02-22 07:40 PM by Vex_id
>"The independent law firm probe into Boston Celtics coach Ime >Udoka found that he used crude language in his dialogue with a >female subordinate prior to the start of an improper workplace >relationship with the woman, an element that significantly >factored into the severity of his one-year suspension, sources >told ESPN."
^Nowhere there does it say that the independent law firm probe made a finding that the relationship was *not* consensual. The quote you provided speaks to the "crude language" used by Udoka in his dialogue with the woman, which was problematic for sure on its face and even moreso given that she was a subordinate. But we really don't know any further details other than that - unless you have something to share with us that confirms what actually happened.
The issue I have with this is that so many want to litigate this based off limited evidence/information and conclude that the sexual relationship was *not* consensual. If that were the case, we'd likely be talking about criminal charges as opposed to an org suspension for misconduct.
>Like... do people not read these reports?
Which reports are you referring to that imply that the sexual relationship was not consensual?
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Wed Nov-02-22 08:09 PM
19. "I didn't say the relationship wasn't consensual." In response to Reply # 17 Wed Nov-02-22 08:12 PM by Frank Longo
I said he wasn't suspended for the consensual relationship. Per those reports, he got in trouble for unwanted comments and for crude language toward a female subordinate. Not the relationship itself. Crude language toward a subordinate is inappropriate, and unwanted comments are never okay.
If it was just some story of "they had an affair, ended it, and both parties moved on amicably," not only would he not have been suspended, we likely never would've heard about it. But this is why relationships with subordinates are such fucking dumb ideas-- unwanted behavior as an ex makes you an asshole, but unwanted behavior as a boss opens the business up to potential legal consequences.
He was suspended because he was her superior while having a sexual relationship. Consensual or not, sexual relationships between a superior and a subordinate allows for a power imbalance that is unprofessional and classic sexual harassment.
This likely wouldn't have led to these consequences 5 years ago, but we (thankfully, in this sense) live in a different time.
34. "a sexual relationship between superior and subordinate does not equate" In response to Reply # 29
to sexual harassment.
You are correct regarding the power imbalance but to say that all superior/subordinate relationships were sexual harassment would be false.
Because they can quickly and easily teeter the line and become sexual harassment is why most companies make it a violation of their COC
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
28. "So because a whole board does it makes it " In response to Reply # 27
right?
So basically you’re a follower, got it.
The point is you post about someone you dislike or disagree with, no matter If the person plays basketball or is an espn anchor….You don’t like Kryie’s character. I don’t like Malika’s character.
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
44. "They're mad over, alleged, sexting between two parties " In response to Reply # 0
There's an odd perception the man should lose his job and never work again because he cheated with, ALLEGEDLY, a white woman that graduated from a three letter university. How dare a black man cheat with a white woman, THEEEEEE NERVE.
No empathy for white misery (c) BDot
"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."
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