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ThaTruth
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"Lakers 22-23 Season Poast: Dumpster Fire - Pelinka must go"


          

This team has gotten worse every year since the 2020 title, Pelinka can no longer coast on Magic’s laurels, he needs to go

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EVERYONE must go. Jeanie too.
Oct 27th 2022
1
yeah it's weird seeing the Lakers be this bad
Oct 27th 2022
3
They 100% panicked after the Suns loss.
Oct 27th 2022
4
Jeanie's not going anywhere lol
Oct 27th 2022
5
      Do you think that what I think should happen, means I think it will?
Oct 27th 2022
7
Thus far, I like Ham.
Oct 27th 2022
2
Ham's being setup to fail, they did Vogel a favor by firing him...
Oct 27th 2022
6
Yeah, I guess.
Oct 27th 2022
9
      RE: Yeah, I guess.
Oct 27th 2022
10
           I mean - hindsight is 20/20 but
Oct 27th 2022
11
                RE: I mean - hindsight is 20/20 but
Oct 27th 2022
12
                     That THT move was a good one though.
Oct 27th 2022
13
                          would THT be the best guard on our team?
Oct 28th 2022
14
                               I mean, Russ right today is better than him so…no
Oct 28th 2022
15
                                    I agree but some people think Russ is the worst player in the NBA
Oct 28th 2022
16
                                         I mean, he's close. It's just that THT is worse, hahahah
Oct 28th 2022
17
Agreed on Ham
Oct 27th 2022
8
Blow it up. It’s over.
Oct 29th 2022
18
Could we even get picks for AD at this point?
Oct 29th 2022
19
cant get a bag of dildos for him he is cooked
Oct 29th 2022
20
I'd ship AD to Indy for Hield, Myles, and two picks.
Nov 01st 2022
21
Why would Indy trade picks though?
Nov 05th 2022
23
      Because Anthony Davis, WHEN HEALTHY,
Nov 05th 2022
24
I’d give up AD, Russ & both picks for KD, Kyrie & Seth
Nov 05th 2022
22
I would’t give up a thing for either of them
Nov 05th 2022
25
Ship any player that has value, period.. Start over..
Nov 05th 2022
26
Russ is shooting better from 3 than LeBron
Nov 09th 2022
27
Westbrick vs #Klang
Nov 19th 2022
62
      Klang is better IMO
Nov 21st 2022
69
I get pissed whenever I see Zubac too, we literally gave him away…
Nov 09th 2022
28
Honestly probably wouldn’t have given him another contract.
Nov 10th 2022
29
      Oh we’re putting all that on Magic now?
Nov 10th 2022
31
           I mean….no, but that WAS under him.
Nov 10th 2022
32
           Oh Magic isn’t responsible for shit now?
Nov 10th 2022
33
                Magic's been gone for 3+ years lol
Nov 10th 2022
34
                     So has Zubac. Get it?
Nov 10th 2022
36
                          You inferred that Magic is responsible for the team now.
Nov 11th 2022
42
                               Show your work on that math.
Nov 11th 2022
48
Bron will break Kareem’s record this season or next at worst.
Nov 10th 2022
30
A chip is a chip but…,
Nov 10th 2022
37
      Loved all the baby Lakers and will root for them always
Nov 10th 2022
39
      Current Cavs are kind of showing what could’ve been for baby Lakers
Nov 11th 2022
44
      I don’t really mean they should’ve just kept that team
Nov 11th 2022
46
      That team woulnd' thae been THE team.
Nov 11th 2022
53
           You really think?
Nov 12th 2022
58
                right I guess in this alternate universe Zo doesn't have bad knees...
Nov 14th 2022
61
                Changing course potentially changes everything else
Nov 20th 2022
63
                Young talent + assets + smart free agent signings and trades
Nov 20th 2022
64
                     so you'd trade the 2020 title to be the New Orleans Pelicans?
Nov 20th 2022
65
                          Nah I’m good wasting thoughtful words on you
Nov 20th 2022
66
      RE: A chip****** is a chip******
Nov 11th 2022
43
           Not even a thought to me, *shrug*
Nov 11th 2022
45
           That would mean everyone else failed to win the "easy" one.
Nov 11th 2022
52
Talen Horton-Tucker ladies and gentlemen:
Nov 10th 2022
35
lol revenge
Nov 10th 2022
38
Tomorrow’s garbage day.
Nov 10th 2022
40
Your garbage goes out on Veteran’s Day?
Nov 11th 2022
41
man, JB Pritzker is fuckin up (c) me/Chappelle
Nov 11th 2022
47
I would, actually. Vuc, Derozan, and a pick, and AD is yours.
Nov 11th 2022
49
      I think Chicago would ask for Westbrook too, which is still fair
Nov 11th 2022
50
           the fuck it would
Nov 11th 2022
51
Pelicans are gonna get a goooooood pick.
Nov 12th 2022
54
really? we'll win again before they ever do
Nov 12th 2022
55
      I dunno. Maybe.
Nov 12th 2022
56
      don’t be surprised when Pels make WCF this year
Nov 12th 2022
57
      thats all well and dandy. they not winning tho
Nov 12th 2022
59
      You don’t know that
Nov 20th 2022
67
           you're right i dont. am i worried about being wrong tho? not a bit
Nov 21st 2022
70
                If that were true, you'd admit you don't know without caveat
Nov 21st 2022
71
                     work on posting better the first time fam
Nov 21st 2022
73
                          Work on being less prideful alltogether.
Nov 21st 2022
74
                               You of all ppl saying this is hilarious but aight
Nov 21st 2022
76
                                    I can freely admit when I'm wrong, without caveat
Nov 21st 2022
77
                                         yeah it’s you 👍🏿
Nov 21st 2022
78
                                              Nah B
Nov 21st 2022
79
Trade Everybody....
Nov 14th 2022
60
Lakers declined a THT trade last season
Nov 21st 2022
68
THT was traded for an expiring contract in PatBev.
Nov 21st 2022
72
      Would rather have the 1st.
Nov 21st 2022
75
*yawn*
Nov 22nd 2022
80

Cold Truth
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1. "EVERYONE must go. Jeanie too. "
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It’s time. This franchise needs a top to bottom cultural rebuild.

  

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3. "yeah it's weird seeing the Lakers be this bad"
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for this long.


Outside of the one chip year, its been a lot of years of mediocrity.



I'm not the basketball fanatic I used to be, but one ring doesn't seem worth all these other shitty years. Especially with the future seeming so bleak.


Even if the chip was worth it to some, its still odd as f*ck that they essentially changed up the identify of that team and went after shit like the corpse of Marc Gasol. Made moves that completely changed the team's identity and didn't even let the title team try to repeat.


Just a weird situation and a shitty-ran team with poor decisions by Rob, Jeanie, LeGM, etc.

Gotta wonder about that alternate reality where you kept BI and just tried to build and get better more organically.

  

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Ryan M
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4. "They 100% panicked after the Suns loss."
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I honestly don't see a world where all the young guys stayed on the team, but it didn't have to come to THIS either.

But the title was worth it.

It just...is weird.

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ThaTruth
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5. "Jeanie's not going anywhere lol"
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Cold Truth
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7. "Do you think that what I think should happen, means I think it will? "
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Thu Oct-27-22 02:05 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

Were that the case, I’d be a billionaire and I’d already own the team.

I’d also be able to fly, shoot lasers from my eyes, and control minds like Purple Man.

  

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Ryan M
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2. "Thus far, I like Ham."
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But yeah this is gonna reach Knicks levels once Bron retires/leaves.

Trade it all for assets. It's LA. You can get free agents. But nothing good will come of striving for the 5th seed for the next few years while we're sold the image of having Bron/AD.

I love AD. But he's not the dude to lead a team anymore. He's one of the best second bananas in the league. The problem is the main guy is nearly 38 with about a billion miles on his legs.

Fire Jeanie. Fire Pelinka. Keep Ham. Keep Bron because you have to. And then just...go nuclear.

Yes, I'm mad.

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6. "Ham's being setup to fail, they did Vogel a favor by firing him..."
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this year's roster is worse than last year's, I can't remember a time when I had to constantly look up bio's on my phone to figure out who our players are on the court

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Ryan M
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9. "Yeah, I guess."
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Vogel was a scapegoat - he certainly didn't deserve to be fired. But he wasn't without fault whatsoever. He had some VERY questionable rotations. But when he had the personnel to do play the defense he was implementing? He was great.

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ThaTruth
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10. "RE: Yeah, I guess."
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>Vogel was a scapegoat - he certainly didn't deserve to be
>fired. But he wasn't without fault whatsoever. He had some
>VERY questionable rotations. But when he had the personnel to
>do play the defense he was implementing? He was great.

prior to last night the defense under Ham has been good too. But fielding what amounts to a g-league roster around Bron/AD/Russ or no Russ is not going to cut it.

Not that I like to compare us to the Clippers but when you look at the roster they've built around their stars then look at ours, well...

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Ryan M
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11. "I mean - hindsight is 20/20 but"
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It just feels like this front office is more into getting names than anything else. Even people who are washed like last year.

Since (and even before) the title, they've signed/traded for:

Marc Gasol
Demarcus Cousins
Carmelo Anthony
Rajon Rondo
Dennis Schroder (2x)
Dwight Howard (2x)
Russell Westbrook

It just feels like Pelika/Jeanie/WHOEVERS knowledge of the NBA stopped in like...2011?

The 2020 team felt like a meme team at first - but KCP, Caruso, Rondo, Dwight, Danny Green, etc all had roles to play and they did it to perfection alongside a 3 years younger pairing than AD/Bron. Now? Woof. Now it just feels like they want to put marquee names together even if they don't make sense - and I sincerely have no idea how Pelinka got an extension after a 1st round knockout and a lottery team his 2 years after the title. It's getting WORSE, not better! Like even a little!

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ThaTruth
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12. "RE: I mean - hindsight is 20/20 but"
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>It just feels like this front office is more into getting
>names than anything else. Even people who are washed like last
>year.
>
>Since (and even before) the title, they've signed/traded for:
>
>Marc Gasol
>Demarcus Cousins
>Carmelo Anthony
>Rajon Rondo
>Dennis Schroder (2x)
>Dwight Howard (2x)
>Russell Westbrook
>
>It just feels like Pelika/Jeanie/WHOEVERS knowledge of the NBA
>stopped in like...2011?
>
>The 2020 team felt like a meme team at first - but KCP,
>Caruso, Rondo, Dwight, Danny Green, etc all had roles to play
>and they did it to perfection alongside a 3 years younger
>pairing than AD/Bron. Now? Woof. Now it just feels like they
>want to put marquee names together even if they don't make
>sense - and I sincerely have no idea how Pelinka got an
>extension after a 1st round knockout and a lottery team his 2
>years after the title. It's getting WORSE, not better! Like
>even a little!

that's the thing, we don't even have names this year that were once good in the league even if it was 10 years ago.

Now we're sending out people like Matt Ryan, Troy Brown Jr, Damian Jones... At least we got Kendrick Nunn playing this year even though he has been terrible. And we traded THT and Stanley Johnson for Patrick Beverly? We got Juan Toscano-Anderson who was like the 12th man on the Warriors last year expecting major contributions from him lol

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Ryan M
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13. "That THT move was a good one though."
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His contract was terrible. Too much money AND a player option? Yikes. Stanley might help, I guess...but at least Pat Bev has heart if nothing else.

But yeah. It's worse now. And half the team (or more?) from last year isn't even on a roster right today. I know they're handcuffed to an extent because of the money but how are you going to throw the MLE at Lonnie Walker who sure can jump high but can't do shit else??

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ThaTruth
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14. "would THT be the best guard on our team?"
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>His contract was terrible. Too much money AND a player
>option? Yikes. Stanley might help, I guess...but at least Pat
>Bev has heart if nothing else.
>
>But yeah. It's worse now. And half the team (or more?) from
>last year isn't even on a roster right today. I know they're
>handcuffed to an extent because of the money but how are you
>going to throw the MLE at Lonnie Walker who sure can jump high
>but can't do shit else??

yeah its like they listened to all the chatter about last year's team being old so they wanted to get younger at all costs even if it meant filling out the roster with g-league level talent.

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Ryan M
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15. "I mean, Russ right today is better than him so…no"
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16. "I agree but some people think Russ is the worst player in the NBA"
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17. "I mean, he's close. It's just that THT is worse, hahahah"
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Cold Truth
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8. "Agreed on Ham"
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Everyone else can kick rocks though.

  

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18. "Blow it up. It’s over. "
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They won’t. But they should.

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Cold Truth
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19. "Could we even get picks for AD at this point?"
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We should have traded him last year.
Or this past summer.
Or last week.

Any potential haul already looked light as fuck.

But now?

I mean, yeah there’s likely still a fair amount of delusional people who think the phrase “when healthy” doesn’t completely undo whatever superlatives come before or after they say it.

But I doubt there are many GMs in that camp.

Between that, the obvious state of disarray, and the active Lakers tax, I don’t see much of a return. Could we even get two unprotected picks and an expiring somewhere?

  

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20. "cant get a bag of dildos for him he is cooked "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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21. "I'd ship AD to Indy for Hield, Myles, and two picks. "
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Then I'd ship Russ and the picks to Charlotte for Rozier and Hayward.

Rozier is exactly what we need from the guard spot, and Hayward is a quality shooter in his own right, who can also rebound and distribute.

Hayward would also make a decent trade chip on draft day, bundled with the pick, or at the deadline as an expiring.

That's the best deal on the (current) market for Russ: it gets us the best players available, keeps some financial flexibility, gives us shooting from two different positions, both can play off ball, etc.

That would give us Myles, Bron, Hield, Hayward, Rozier as a starting five, tons of shooting, great interior D, and we don't really lose much on AD since he and Myles will both spend a fair amount of games in street clothes anyways.

We'd have two expiring deals in Hield and Hayward next year, Myles coming off the books this year, and we trade Bron next summer.

We'd be light years ahead on a rebuild, while quite possibly fielding an interestingly competitive team this year.

  

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23. "Why would Indy trade picks though?"
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24. "Because Anthony Davis, WHEN HEALTHY,"
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That’s all I got, lol.

Even without the picks, I’d do that deal and ship Bron out this summer

  

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22. "I’d give up AD, Russ & both picks for KD, Kyrie & Seth"
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25. "I would’t give up a thing for either of them"
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26. "Ship any player that has value, period.. Start over.."
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27. "Russ is shooting better from 3 than LeBron "
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62. "Westbrick vs #Klang"
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<----- Long Live The King

  

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69. "Klang is better IMO"
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Westbrick feels a bit hackey. Low hanging fruit.

Klang feels more clever for my money

  

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28. "I get pissed whenever I see Zubac too, we literally gave him away…"
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for somebody that never played for us

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29. "Honestly probably wouldn’t have given him another contract. "
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We let Randle and Caruso go for nothing. Wouldn’t surprise me if we would have done the same with Zu.

Anyway…that one’s on Magic.

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ThaTruth
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31. "Oh we’re putting all that on Magic now?"
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32. "I mean….no, but that WAS under him. "
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Zubac, not Caruso.

Anyway. Rob sucks. Doesn’t mean we can’t point out that was under Magic tho.

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Cold Truth
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33. "Oh Magic isn’t responsible for shit now?"
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34. "Magic's been gone for 3+ years lol"
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Cold Truth
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36. "So has Zubac. Get it?"
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Or were you somehow, some way, for some strange reason under the impression that I was referencing decisions not in this particular thread of the post, outside the scope of his tenure?

  

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42. "You inferred that Magic is responsible for the team now."
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48. "Show your work on that math."
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The thread was about specific players, all of who left under Magic.

You said “ Oh we’re putting all that on Magic now”
I said “so Magic isn’t responsible for shit?”

We were clearly talking about those players, under magic

There’s no logical path to arrive at the conclusion that I was talking about today.

You’re being ridiculous.

  

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30. "Bron will break Kareem’s record this season or next at worst. "
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And that is the ONLY silver lining to the year.

We should just be fine with the fact he’s sorta a later stage Wilt to the Lakers org. Won a title, helped make the franchise relevant but won’t be remembered for his Laker tenure which is totally okay.

Truly wish this poverty franchise so worried about ticket sales or whatever would just fire sale AD, Russ, and Bron (next year I guess) for any small assets and rebuild but they won’t so…let’s enjoy this bum ass squad. Rob and Jeanie are some shit.

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37. "A chip is a chip but…,"
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I was really excited for Russell, Ingram, Randle, Ball, Nance, Kuzma, Hart.

We drafted well in those years.

Hope we can do it again.

  

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39. "Loved all the baby Lakers and will root for them always"
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But that team might be a play in at best.

Let’s just hope they don’t fuck off these draft picks for some lateral move.

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44. "Current Cavs are kind of showing what could’ve been for baby Lakers "
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1. Take on a bunch of raw young promising talent

2. Develop it

3. Be aggressive in getting a star via trade/free agency

Shit it’d have been even easier to recruit a FA by just being the Lakers. Cavs had to give up a boat load to get DM (but it’s proven way worth it already)

I think Lakers and Bron surely both saw things going differently. You gotta KNOW Anthony Davis saw things going differently. But Bron too old, AD too frail, roster too trash, war chest too empty, West too competitive, front office too haphazard, etc. In hindsight it was all there but that doesn’t make it any easier to digest.

They can rip the band aid off of this and trade everyone away and get out of this healthily in like 2-3 years if they want, but they unfortunately are full of more hubris than any franchise in pro sports and that includes the Cowboys.

  

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46. "I don’t really mean they should’ve just kept that team"
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But even with the strategy of getting LeBron and AD……it’s almost incredible that the supporting cast is this bad at this point, given the depth of assets(cloaked!) we had when this thing started.

A couple years ago we could at least say “we’re good when AD and LeBron are both healthy!”

Now we are one of the worst teams in the league even when AD and LeBron are healthy. It’s almost impressive how bad of a team we’ve put around them.

  

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53. "That team woulnd' thae been THE team. "
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Trades and signings would have altered that.

But I'd have loved to see BI/Julius come up together, possibly with Zo and his two-way brilliance. I can see the rest getting shipped out in trades or signings.

I said at the time that skipping steps was a bad idea.

You take the known over the unknown, sure. But I think the signs were there for all those guys.

We'd have eventually built out a contending team. I just think Lebron was skipping ahead too much, and trading so many picks and swaps was a huge mistake

had we waited until FA and explored our options then, we'd have kept far more assets.

Even then, had we not done the Russ deal, we could have at least been in play for Spyda or Murray or something, with three picks to deal along with Kuz, KCP, etc.

  

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58. "You really think?"
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Randle and BI might have worked - who knows. I can’t see their game really working together but maybe. Zo simply cannot stay healthy. It’s sad. The other guys were nice pieces but I truly couldn’t see them all staying together with the inevitable contracts and overall fit.

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61. "right I guess in this alternate universe Zo doesn't have bad knees..."
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>Randle and BI might have worked - who knows. I can’t see
>their game really working together but maybe. Zo simply cannot
>stay healthy. It’s sad. The other guys were nice pieces but
>I truly couldn’t see them all staying together with the
>inevitable contracts and overall fit.

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63. "Changing course potentially changes everything else"
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64. "Young talent + assets + smart free agent signings and trades"
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It doesn’t have to be BI/Randle
It could just be BI

But having BI, plus smarter asset management, NOT trying to skip steps like we did and actually let them cook? yes, in the hands of a competent GM, we could easily be setup, right today, with a team built to contend for 4-5 years.

It doesn’t have to be my spitballed version of it. But i had deep concerns about rushing the process, and those concerns have now become our reality. And i think a different approach, that didn’t involve Lebron coming in and sucking the air out of everyone’s sails and necessitating a quicker turnaround, would have been the smarter move for long term stability.

  

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65. "so you'd trade the 2020 title to be the New Orleans Pelicans?"
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66. "Nah I’m good wasting thoughtful words on you"
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See it in the extremely limited, narrow, basic as possible way you see everything.

  

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43. "RE: A chip****** is a chip******"
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HUGE asterisks, bigger than the 99 spurs

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45. "Not even a thought to me, *shrug*"
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If non Laker fans want to feel that way, fine. I don’t care about that either, lol.

Lakers were the best team all season long, and won it and I enjoyed it all.

  

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52. "That would mean everyone else failed to win the "easy" one. "
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That doesn't cut the way you or anyone thinks.

It's just a failure of logic to put an asterisk on that chip.

Period.

It's not up for debate. You're factually, logically, objectively wrong here, as is everyone else on that bullshit.

If it was an easy chip, fine. It was an easy chip.

That means nobody else was able to get the easy chip.

Whatever negative it is to have won that, it's far, far worse for every other team who couldn't win that so-called easy chip

  

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35. "Talen Horton-Tucker ladies and gentlemen:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U7ZSKjuW0Q

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38. "lol revenge"
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He should be very happy for the ring and that terrible contract

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40. "Tomorrow’s garbage day."
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Would you like for me to take out this trash for you.

Gotta be put out on curb before 6am

BULLS’ NEW HOPE: PATRICK WILLIAMS
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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41. "Your garbage goes out on Veteran’s Day?"
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Damn.

Illinois has to do better.

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47. "man, JB Pritzker is fuckin up (c) me/Chappelle"
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...ask my top 5, I'll say me 5 times, like Dylan - Roc Marci

  

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49. "I would, actually. Vuc, Derozan, and a pick, and AD is yours. "
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50. "I think Chicago would ask for Westbrook too, which is still fair"
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expring 30+ mill off the books is a good deal unto itself >

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51. "the fuck it would"
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I know this is just you on some fuck the lakers shit

but no, AD +Russ for Vuc, Dermar and a pick is far from a fair deal for the Lakers.

We can keep AD and get a comparable return for what we have

  

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54. "Pelicans are gonna get a goooooood pick. "
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Even having a shot at Wemby while you have 2 all star level players is a serious come up.

Worth the title. But hard not to be jealous right now.

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55. "really? we'll win again before they ever do"
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> But hard not to be jealous right now.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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56. "I dunno. Maybe. "
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Fact is this franchise has been beyond fucked post Dr. Buss. We got so lucky Bron wanted to come here. The longer that this goes on, the whole front office looks worse and worse. Until we see real improvements there…hard for me to buy in to the “Lakers will always be relevant” narrative.

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57. "don’t be surprised when Pels make WCF this year "
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59. "thats all well and dandy. they not winning tho"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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67. "You don’t know that"
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70. "you're right i dont. am i worried about being wrong tho? not a bit"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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71. "If that were true, you'd admit you don't know without caveat"
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the fact that you feel the need to hedge over something so trivial says you're absolutely worried/bothered/whatever about being wrong

but do you

  

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73. "work on posting better the first time fam"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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74. "Work on being less prideful alltogether. "
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76. "You of all ppl saying this is hilarious but aight"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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77. "I can freely admit when I'm wrong, without caveat"
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Or, when evidence or strong argument is presented, accept where I'm off base in my assertions.

Who is objectively prideful, that guy, or the one who couldn't just admit that he didn't know something without hedging- and couldn't handle an objectively reasonable retort without deflecting to something else altogether, THEN doing "I'm rubber you're glue" in the next response?

I'm sure you'll really show me in your next insincere reply.

  

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78. "yeah it’s you 👍🏿"
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79. "Nah B"
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60. "Trade Everybody...."
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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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68. "Lakers declined a THT trade last season"
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https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2022/11/20/23470212/lakers-raptors-trade-first-round-pick-talen-horton-tucker-khem-birch-report-rumor

"And if you’re looking for even MORE reason to be frustrated, Dave McMenamin of ESPN provided some more ammo recently. In his weekly podcast discussing the Lakers and Clippers with Ohm Youngmisuk, also of ESPN, McMenamin detailed a trade the Lakers didn’t do involving THT last season before pulling the trigger on the PatBev one (h/t OVOLakeShow/Twitter). “I’m told that the Lakers had talks with the Toronto Raptors where the Raptors late last year when it already looked like the Lakers were probably out of it or, at the very least, going to be a low seed and wouldn’t have a likely championship path to go all the way, the Raptors would have traded for Talen Horton-Tucker. Traded a first-round pick.”

Fucking morons.

We could have added a pick to our anemic cache of assets?

Theorhetically, we could have gone into this offseason with *4* picks and cap space.

Or had a chance to offer Russ' contract and three picks, plus maybe Nunn to at least try to get Spyda. Could have taken someone else off the books for them to sweeten the deal and match salaries.

Or...... something.

Fire everyone.

  

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72. "THT was traded for an expiring contract in PatBev."
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Would not have been the case with Birch.

Now - a first round pick would be NICE, but let's not forget that THT had a dogshit contract that Rob gave him with a PLAYER OPTION for next year which he will assuredly pick up now that he's proven to be worthless. You're essentially trading 7 mil in capspace for a 20's-ish pick in a draft that they haven't even named (so perhaps better, perhaps worse?)

2 wrongs don't make a right. THT's contract sucked and it was better for them to get out of it without attaching longterm money to it. I was a BIG proponent of trading THT for Lowry - but that looks to be the right move to have not. 7 mil for Khem Birch wasn't the move and actually would have taken away from the cap space you're saying was so important.

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75. "Would rather have the 1st. "
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This has nothing to do with the pick.

I couldn't care less about these picks.

But those are the currency of modern NBA trades, and the more you have, the better your chances of getting a difference maker in a trade.

That's why I would rather have the pick, and why it wouldn't have been a 'two wrongs' scenario, IMO.

  

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