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will_5198
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"QB Agenda Wars 2022"


          

so I see a lot of reckless talk every Sunday, so we need to know where you all stand if you're going to claim someone in the future

we're excluding Brady, Rodgers, Stafford and Ryan -- their careers are wrapped up, more or less

if you want to get loud and say Mahomes, Jackson or Allen suck, go ahead, but they have separated themselves in their trajectories already

this is about the late-stage guys who could change their legacy, the looking washed guys who may or may not bounce back, the semi-successful guys who could go either way, and the unproven guys

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Russell Wilson
Oct 02nd 2022
1
Absolutely will not allow any new friends…
Oct 03rd 2022
29
reminds me too much of McNabb on the Skins
Oct 03rd 2022
31
i like that you're dying on this hill.
Oct 03rd 2022
44
I'm in this lane. And with Javonte out for a little while, he'll have to...
Oct 03rd 2022
47
RE: Absolutely will not allow any new friends…
Oct 06th 2022
74
LOL
Oct 06th 2022
80
Washed as hell, and Denver gave up the farm for him smh
Oct 04th 2022
56
*birdman handrub*
Oct 07th 2022
84
Let Russ cook
Oct 07th 2022
81
Dude was always a system QB
Oct 07th 2022
82
      he blows now but the "always was" part is wrong
Oct 07th 2022
85
           That was the system. Let him run around and improvise.
Oct 07th 2022
86
                it REALLY doesn't work when you've lost the ability to run around...
Oct 07th 2022
87
Derek Carr
Oct 02nd 2022
2
i'm forever an apologist for dc
Oct 02nd 2022
25
Good but not good enough often enough
Oct 03rd 2022
39
Jimmy Garoppolo
Oct 02nd 2022
3
Mid but likeable
Oct 03rd 2022
43
The playoff version of Kirk Cousins...
Oct 06th 2022
67
we're seeing how Kyle propped this man up
Sep 27th 2023
163
Kirk Cousins
Oct 02nd 2022
4
Everything around him has to be superb for him to thrive
Oct 03rd 2022
27
Dak Prescott
Oct 02nd 2022
5
mid and overrated af
Oct 02nd 2022
12
Obviously my guy…nothing more to add
Oct 03rd 2022
28
RE: Dak Prescott
Oct 06th 2022
73
I still don't think he's better than Romo was, but he's good enough.
Oct 25th 2022
116
2-5 in the playoffs over 8 years
Jan 14th 2024
190
Jared Goff
Oct 02nd 2022
6
Mid
Oct 03rd 2022
42
Ryan Tannehill
Oct 02nd 2022
7
BUM! Bring on the Malik era
Oct 02nd 2022
9
      Thank God it Mayo'd in your Coffee
Sep 27th 2023
162
Baker Mayfield
Oct 02nd 2022
8
Another BUM! Cornball mf always getting his passes deflected
Oct 02nd 2022
10
Terrible, short, unathletic...
Oct 03rd 2022
48
Will have a helluva career in C level movies once he leaves
Oct 03rd 2022
55
BUST.
Oct 25th 2022
102
Carson Wentz
Oct 02nd 2022
11
Confused as to how he was ever a starter in the NFL
Oct 03rd 2022
34
Cashing the last of those NFL starter checks.
Oct 05th 2022
66
Baker Mayfield before Baker Mayfield
Oct 25th 2022
111
Kyler Murray
Oct 02nd 2022
13
Deshaun Watson
Oct 02nd 2022
14
Top 5 in the league he about to remind y’all
Oct 03rd 2022
41
disagree on this one
Oct 03rd 2022
46
Spends so much time in the pocket he should buy massages for his o-line
Oct 04th 2022
63
the only thing that gives me pause is that he plays in the AFC
Oct 25th 2022
115
Daniel Jones
Oct 02nd 2022
15
A bum who has been done zero favors in team building
Oct 03rd 2022
38
85.8 PFF on Sunday
Oct 03rd 2022
52
Athletic Goff / Mitch with more reps
Oct 06th 2022
76
CHIGGY CHECK!! MICROPHONE CHECK ONNNNE!!
Oct 09th 2022
88
Outplayed Rodgers, outplayed Lamar
Oct 16th 2022
93
not transcendent but Eli grade IF healthy
Oct 25th 2022
114
RE: Daniel Jones
Jan 01st 2023
138
Joe Burrow
Oct 02nd 2022
16
I still stand by my Romo comparison for his game
Oct 03rd 2022
37
      I agree. He is definitely Romo 2.0
Oct 25th 2022
109
Tua Tagovailoa
Oct 02nd 2022
17
RE: Tua Tagovailoa
Oct 06th 2022
75
missed this thread, but I believe in him being a NFL QB of note
Oct 25th 2022
113
Justin Herbert
Oct 02nd 2022
18
Gonna be one of the best, soon…
Oct 03rd 2022
30
He’s one of them
Oct 03rd 2022
36
Fun to watch but
Oct 06th 2022
77
Made the playoffs, now he has to win some playoff games and a SB
Dec 28th 2022
131
Jalen Hurts
Oct 02nd 2022
19
I’ll say, his reputation sounds like Brady or Mamba
Oct 03rd 2022
32
Cam with less talent but eons more work ethic
Oct 03rd 2022
35
That’s a horrible comparison lol
Oct 03rd 2022
45
He's gonna end up with a better career than Tua, that I'm sure of
Oct 03rd 2022
50
Prototypical leader who probably won't ever be an elite passer
Oct 04th 2022
62
I love him
Oct 06th 2022
78
Most coachable athlete in sports.
Oct 25th 2022
103
Trevor Lawrence
Oct 02nd 2022
20
I’m buying Trevor stock
Oct 03rd 2022
51
RE: Trevor Lawrence
Oct 07th 2022
83
Looking like he is ready to run the AFC South for a decade
Dec 23rd 2022
128
Zach Wilson
Oct 02nd 2022
21
Could be at least as good as Kyler but I think his coach is overwhelmed
Oct 03rd 2022
33
...
Nov 22nd 2022
123
Chris Shrevler can throw for 77 yards...
Nov 23rd 2022
126
JaMarcus Russell 2.0, he is a bust
Dec 23rd 2022
127
      I never understood how he was drafted so high
Dec 23rd 2022
129
           2 top 3 picks in 3yrs on QB’s and neither is playable?
Dec 23rd 2022
130
Trey Lance
Oct 02nd 2022
22
Justin Fields
Oct 02nd 2022
23
Bum and he regressing
Oct 03rd 2022
40
I wonder how NFL scouts feel about this , because its a legit concern
Oct 04th 2022
57
Chicago currently is a horrible situation for him
Oct 06th 2022
70
Talent around him is BAD, too early. He actually makes
Oct 25th 2022
104
Knock on him is the same as most young QBs
Oct 26th 2022
118
Yeah…it’s not getting any better
Sep 17th 2023
156
      he threw the coaches under the bus this week, so
Sep 21st 2023
159
Mac Jones
Oct 02nd 2022
24
I can't wait for him to be labeled a bust. Pats deserve it
Oct 03rd 2022
49
I would agree but the Pats somehow
Feb 22nd 2023
151
there's something there, but he's in the wrong environment
Oct 05th 2022
65
Now we are cooking with grease and gas
Oct 03rd 2022
Now we are cooking with grease and gas
Oct 03rd 2022
26
Jameis.
Oct 03rd 2022
53
I dunno man, Philip Rivers is a HIGH bar
Oct 04th 2022
59
Rivers is a fringe HOFer
Oct 04th 2022
60
Right people get carried away with the hottakes sometimes lol
Oct 04th 2022
61
yeah, I went overboard with that one. Still think he can come good tho.
Oct 05th 2022
64
RE: Rivers is a fringe HOFer
Oct 06th 2022
79
will never get the Favre out of himself
Oct 06th 2022
69
      Brett Favre was MVP 3 yrs in a row and is a HOF'er
Oct 06th 2022
71
           really? never knew that
Oct 06th 2022
72
Mariota. Great backup to have.
Oct 03rd 2022
54
dude is single-handedly messing up Falcons games
Oct 04th 2022
58
I wouldn't have minded him on the Colts this year
Oct 06th 2022
68
Justin Fields is dogshit
Oct 13th 2022
89
Wide open WR across the middle. *chucks it down field*
Oct 13th 2022
90
new breed of TOSU QBs scared to run , same w this years heisman winner
Oct 13th 2022
91
He's going to prove everyone wrong (including me) and I'm glad.
Feb 13th 2023
149
I really thought he would be the first one to make it in the NFL
Oct 14th 2022
92
I grade him incomplete. Bears don't give a FUCK about offense
Oct 25th 2022
110
We gotta revisit this
Nov 10th 2022
121
      consider the competition. Pretty sure he's still dogshit
Oct 10th 2023
177
Top 10 ( in my opinion through week 6 2022)
Oct 18th 2022
94
I would take out Murray and Rodgers and replace them with
Oct 18th 2022
95
I wrestled with what to do with Herbert
Oct 18th 2022
96
Also that Denver defense is legit, probably a top 5 defense
Oct 18th 2022
100
Daniel Jones? Hell nah
Oct 18th 2022
97
      Running numbers need to be accounted for
Oct 18th 2022
98
           PLEAS COPPED...if only every QB got those same excuses lol...
Oct 18th 2022
101
                Team is 6-1, and he’s 6 TDs, 2 picks
Oct 25th 2022
105
You better put some respect on Matty ice name!
Oct 18th 2022
99
Man, WHAT??!!!
Oct 25th 2022
106
      That was after Matty put up numbers.
Oct 25th 2022
107
           Imagine talking up Matt Ryan in this thread.
Jan 23rd 2023
145
Geno lowkey playing better than Boody with less expectations
Oct 25th 2022
108
Runs counter to my Buffalo agenda, but I believe Tua
Oct 25th 2022
112
Mac would've thrived with the Niners, as originally intended
Oct 26th 2022
117
      Oh yeah. MacCorkle would be perfect in the Kyle system
Feb 22nd 2023
152
What’s wrong with Justin Herbert? Is he hurt or just overrated?
Nov 09th 2022
119
Broken ribs, top 2 WRs injured, left tackle out for the season
Nov 09th 2022
120
lmao.. he’s “hurt”
Nov 10th 2022
122
      “terrible OC” wasn’t he there last year?
Nov 23rd 2022
124
           Lombardi was but it still doesn’t make him a good hire
Nov 23rd 2022
125
Derek Carr benched rest of season
Dec 28th 2022
132
as he should be.
Dec 28th 2022
133
if he got hurt the last 2 games he'd be guaranteed 40 mil
Dec 28th 2022
134
Colts GM can’t wait to trade for Carr
Dec 28th 2022
135
RE: Colts GM can’t wait to trade for Carr
Dec 28th 2022
136
Tae's not happy
Dec 28th 2022
137
Josh Allen
Jan 22nd 2023
139
depends on if Buffalo invests in running the ball
Jan 22nd 2023
141
^^^^ This
Jan 23rd 2023
144
he'll be back
Jan 23rd 2023
146
Lamar Jackson
Jan 22nd 2023
140
Some similarities to Josh Allen
Jan 24th 2023
147
Brock Purdy
Jan 22nd 2023
142
I don't know what he would be w/o Shanahan
Jan 23rd 2023
143
Top ten right today
Sep 19th 2023
157
75% of his production is screens and swing passes
Sep 22nd 2023
160
Derek Carr refused to waive his No-trade…
Feb 12th 2023
148
not mad at him. a lot of Raider nation is
Feb 13th 2023
150
      People are so pro management when they're labor
Feb 22nd 2023
153
Jordan Love
Apr 26th 2023
154
......
Oct 23rd 2023
182
^
Sep 17th 2023
155
Sam Howell
Sep 19th 2023
158
Terrible game vs Buffalo
Sep 27th 2023
161
he was very slow going through his reads
Sep 27th 2023
164
      he has 2 rushing TD’s in 4 starts.
Sep 28th 2023
165
           Yea he can move a little
Sep 28th 2023
166
           He's kind of a lumbering type dude...link
Sep 28th 2023
167
                not sure what you are arguing and everything isn't about Josh Allen.. lo...
Sep 28th 2023
168
                     if you're a relatively short qb
Sep 29th 2023
170
he is looking like the 'Baker' of Washington
Sep 28th 2023
169
enduring through a bad O-line, bad coach, overrated pass catchers
Oct 10th 2023
178
      Still holding the ball too long...
Oct 17th 2023
179
           Dude is taking a ridiculous amount of sacks
Oct 23rd 2023
183
                Kenny Pickett stock rising.
Oct 23rd 2023
184
Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?
Oct 10th 2023
171
I’d put Purdy at 2. Dude has yet to lose a fucking game
Oct 10th 2023
172
RE: I’d put Purdy at 2. Dude has yet to lose a fucking game
Oct 10th 2023
173
RE: Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?
Oct 10th 2023
174
i cant put Purdy top 5
Oct 10th 2023
175
I agree with these 5 but not in this order
Oct 10th 2023
176
RE: Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?
Oct 17th 2023
180
I'm not saying he's top 5, but Goff has been elite this year.
Oct 17th 2023
181
      Define elite...
Oct 23rd 2023
185
      At the time I posted this which was before yesterdays games…
Oct 23rd 2023
186
           So... He's not elite.
Oct 23rd 2023
188
                there arent 5 QBs better over the last calendar year
Oct 23rd 2023
189
      he had no feel for the ball yesterday
Oct 23rd 2023
187

will_5198
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1. "Russell Wilson"
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was elite but now washed

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29. "Absolutely will not allow any new friends…"
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when Denver figures this out. Even Rodgers, Hackett and LaFleuer(sp?) were shaky, in the beginning. That connection with Jeudy is coming, you can see it. Denver receivers still dropping hella passes. That last drive, a dude leaked out for what would have been like a 20 yard catch…butt-naked, wide open and the ball hit him in both palms..dropped it. Look, his best years are definitely behind him, but no way I’m accepting he’s washed.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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31. "reminds me too much of McNabb on the Skins "
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in DC we knew right away it was off

  

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44. "i like that you're dying on this hill."
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i'll make sure to leave flowers at your grave every now and then.

  

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47. "I'm in this lane. And with Javonte out for a little while, he'll have to..."
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Saw it yesterday in the Raiders game after Javonte went out. He was tucking it way more than he has so far this season

I think he's reluctant to do so because of his age. But he's starting to realize that part of his game will need to at least be a factor

as you said the receivers dropping hella passes. I see the connection with Sutton and Jeudy growing each game though

  

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74. "RE: Absolutely will not allow any new friends…"
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>when Denver figures this out. Even Rodgers, Hackett and
>LaFleuer(sp?) were shaky, in the beginning. That connection
>with Jeudy is coming, you can see it. Denver receivers still
>dropping hella passes. That last drive, a dude leaked out
>for what would have been like a 20 yard catch…butt-naked,
>wide open and the ball hit him in both palms..dropped it.
>Look, his best years are definitely behind him, but no way
>I’m accepting he’s washed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAyKJAtDNCw

I'm right around here. It is totally okay if the truth is in the middle with Russ. He's not the king shit best QB in the league. Probably never was. He's not young or the most athletic.

But washed? Nope. Not at all. MATT MOTHERFUCKING RYAN IS WASHED. Russ is just struggling with a coach who might not be it, being in a new spot, and maybe even some Kevin Love ass skill players who might not be ready for regular prime time showings and pressure on them to perform just yet. Being on the afternoon slate is an easier life than this primetime 4 of the first 5 weeks shit.

I'm Jessie Spano every time I see him play but I'm glad to see him going more into 'fuck it, let's make a play' mode.

  

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80. "LOL"
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56. "Washed as hell, and Denver gave up the farm for him smh"
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>was elite but now washed


2022 and 2023 first-round picks,
2022 and 2023 second-round picks
and a 2022 fifth-round pick.

only contract worse than that in Denver is the deal the nuggets gave to Michael Porter Jr

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84. "*birdman handrub*"
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also, the more games the Broncos lose, the better those picks get.

Russ finding new ways to help the Seahawks...you gotta love it.

  

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81. "Let Russ cook"
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https://twitter.com/Guccireeves/status/1578227393180770304

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82. "Dude was always a system QB"
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That "let Russ cook" thing was always hilarious. They didnt let him cook because he cant cook. Broncos just doomed their franchise for the next seven years and possibly longer. Gave up all that money and draft stock for a washed QB

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85. "he blows now but the "always was" part is wrong"
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he was an excellent improviser in his prime and developed abilities well past his peers Kaepernick and RG3

  

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86. "That was the system. Let him run around and improvise."
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Thats why DK Metcalf got frustrated and pissed off and why Russ clashed with Pete Carrol. Russ can only play QB through improv and that shit doesnt work in the red zone or without an all world defense to bail you out.

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87. "it REALLY doesn't work when you've lost the ability to run around..."
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like THAT.

not saying he's an immobile turd, but he's not how he used to be when he was a young man and these pass rushers just keep getting faster, more agile, etc.

  

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2. "Derek Carr"
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he is who he is, doesn't see the field like an elite QB

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25. "i'm forever an apologist for dc"
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he's gotten the blame for so much shit that's out of his control, and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for, but it's unlikely he'll ever hit that upper echelon, at least not for any extended period. he's too much in his head.

he's the king of almost.

still hoping tho

  

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39. "Good but not good enough often enough "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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3. "Jimmy Garoppolo"
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place-holder who would suck in a mediocre offensive system

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43. "Mid but likeable"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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67. "The playoff version of Kirk Cousins..."
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... without the guaranteed money.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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163. "we're seeing how Kyle propped this man up"
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>place-holder who would suck in a mediocre offensive system

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4. "Kirk Cousins"
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nobody is stanning for this guy anymore, but I remember the die-hard Washington fans

he will not be going on a Stafford end of career resurrection

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27. "Everything around him has to be superb for him to thrive "
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He’s got a sharp offensive coach now and he’s surrounded by loads of weapons

But the O-line has to be playing well, Jefferson has to be WIDE open, and the defense has to be doing their part…and then MAYBE you’ll get 250+ and 2TDs from him

He can drive a formula 1 car that’s souped to the tits if no one else is on the track, but he couldn’t win a Nascar last-lap three wide sprint at Talladega to save his life. No creativity, no improvisation, no grit. But admittedly he is still better than at least 2/3 of the league.

  

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5. "Dak Prescott"
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he's peaked, hurt all the time, don't see him carrying Dallas any further than he has and his new contract is an albatross around your salary cap neck because you are paying him to be one of the elites

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12. "mid and overrated af"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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28. "Obviously my guy…nothing more to add"
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73. "RE: Dak Prescott"
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>he's peaked, hurt all the time, don't see him carrying Dallas
>any further than he has and his new contract is an albatross
>around your salary cap neck because you are paying him to be
>one of the elites

Played over his head early on. Adult. Company guy.

You CAN win with him, but you have to keep his salary around the 10th highest paid QB. For all of the cries about his contract. He's damn near there now. If not, its close.

At worst, he's a bigger, slightly more athletic Kirk Cousins. I don't love that sometimes it seems like he won't just LET IT FUCKING RIP. But hey, that's the Kirk in him. Plus we all know how Black QBs are probably told to their faces that they can't show up with a Jameis amount of picks and still be in town.

Also, people are acting like the Cowboys should be expecting to win when their shit hasn't been tight for real since Jimmy was there. And even that eva took a crazy trade, some excellently fortunate drafting, no cap/wild money getting thrown around for hired guns, and some other miracles.

  

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116. "I still don't think he's better than Romo was, but he's good enough."
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Closer to an "Aikman" type with a Cowboys team that is nowhere near elite outside of him like his teams were.

Romo was the Cowboys' generational talent that was lost to injury, his own blunders, and front office follies. 3rd stringer that could have been their (HOF version of) Favre.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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190. "2-5 in the playoffs over 8 years"
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he is what he is

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6. "Jared Goff"
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cmon (c) The Money Man

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42. "Mid"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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7. "Ryan Tannehill"
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he got a mid-career boost but lord almighty we say the true Tanny in last year's playoffs

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9. "BUM! Bring on the Malik era"
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162. "Thank God it Mayo'd in your Coffee"
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8. "Baker Mayfield"
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continually self-absorbed and driving DJ Moore into early retirement

thinks he is Mahomes or vintage Russ but just dances around and improvs into the biggest bullshit decisions you can make

literally does nothing well

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10. "Another BUM! Cornball mf always getting his passes deflected"
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48. "Terrible, short, unathletic..."
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It really took Jacoby Brissett to unlock David Njoku, in Cleveland. Weak throws, hospital balls, so many tips.

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55. "Will have a helluva career in C level movies once he leaves"
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<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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102. "BUST. "
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http://art-------school.com/

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11. "Carson Wentz"
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Colts still suck and so does he

terribly inaccurate and the King Arthur of dumb fucking hero ball

cannot read defenses in year 7 or whatever

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34. "Confused as to how he was ever a starter in the NFL"
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Either he’s regressed worse than any quarterback ever or Pederson protected him more than we’ll ever understand

I’ve never seen a QB with his arm strength and build look so skittish and give the ball up so easily

He’s some grotesque combination of Jeff George, Old Ben Roethlisberger, and Kurt Warner (Warner markedly better, just comparable cause Wentz is also a Jesus freak)

  

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66. "Cashing the last of those NFL starter checks."
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He is not a consistent enough to justify starting NFL games at that position. At some point they let Sam Howell run the offense.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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111. "Baker Mayfield before Baker Mayfield"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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13. "Kyler Murray"
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has some breath-taking plays and many others where he is seemingly freelancing

I don't think Kingsbury is a world-beater, but the guy does coach up QBs well

he'll keep his teams interesting and competitive until the injuries and mileage take a step from him -- but with his stature and reliance on broken plays I struggle to see him ever ascending into the elite category

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14. "Deshaun Watson"
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I wouldn't bet on him, he has a ton of new expectations in Cleveland and critics that he never had before (nobody gave a fuck if he had a bad game in Houston, because he was the life of the franchise on offense)

if someone told me I could spend the most money on any QB in the NFL it would not be him, yet that is what he is

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41. "Top 5 in the league he about to remind y’all "
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Yeah he a degenerate POS but about 25 teams would trade their guy for him if they weren’t afraid of the heat and I wish he was the Titans QB

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46. "disagree on this one "
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as Brooklynwhat said, he's a top 5 QB right now.

when he returns with that O=Line and running game, Cleveland should be a playoff team at least.

The arm talent, pocket presence and vision are elite from what I've seen.


  

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63. "Spends so much time in the pocket he should buy massages for his o-line"
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>I wouldn't bet on him, he has a ton of new expectations in
>Cleveland and critics that he never had before (nobody gave a
>fuck if he had a bad game in Houston, because he was the life
>of the franchise on offense)
>
>if someone told me I could spend the most money on any QB in
>the NFL it would not be him, yet that is what he is

  

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Dr Claw
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115. "the only thing that gives me pause is that he plays in the AFC"
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where the 2 best QBs currently in the NFL currently reside (and several other contenders in the league also do, including 2 in his division).

But I think he'll reclaim his spot as the best QB not named Mahomes and Allen.

Jacoby Brissett has demonstrated that you don't have to do much to put up points in the Cleveland offense (bar the NE game they have not scored less than 20 all season). I don't think Deshaun ever had that in Houston.

Don't think he's near washed, even with essentially 2 seasons out (not like he was actually injured).

The expectations are higher (and the pressure will be greater, even if self-inflicted)

but he's gonna be great. Looking forward to it.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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15. "Daniel Jones"
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lots of excuses can be made but I'm not seeing anything transcendent here

he will be just a guy if everything breaks right

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38. "A bum who has been done zero favors in team building"
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52. "85.8 PFF on Sunday"
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Mine.

Worst group of WR’s in the history of the forward pass, and a horrible line other than Thomas. He is accurate, mobile, and is throwing darts and making good decisions.

Give him somebody to throw to and the passing stats will reflect that. He and Barkley are flat out carrying the team to wins.

  

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76. "Athletic Goff / Mitch with more reps"
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>lots of excuses can be made but I'm not seeing anything
>transcendent here
>
>he will be just a guy if everything breaks right

Occasionally clueless. He still appears to be on some 'seeing half of the field shit'. Little ass vision cone in this mfer.

He's been surrounded in chaos and tomfoolery and will probably get another chance. And he'll be bad there too.

  

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88. "CHIGGY CHECK!! MICROPHONE CHECK ONNNNE!!"
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93. "Outplayed Rodgers, outplayed Lamar"
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His nerd stats are good.

Pass blocking and poor WR’s keep his box score stats down but he’s playing well and helping win games.

https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1581773201381941248?s=46&t=wO1UDdI8SbrUBBrZQWLPyw

  

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114. "not transcendent but Eli grade IF healthy"
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the type of goofball QB that just wins games for the Giants

said that when he was drafted.

Giants have just been a joke at various phases of team management in the post-Eli era, this is the first time they're actually doing something

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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138. "RE: Daniel Jones"
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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fdejJGbaRV8/TBcKD_13rQI/AAAAAAAAAtc/5fVZQssBrec/s1600/Picture+60.png

  

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16. "Joe Burrow"
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elite start to his career, but I think he'll end up a shade below the top tier unless the Bengals become a championship team over the long run (doubtful)

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37. "I still stand by my Romo comparison for his game"
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this isn’t a slight I have always been a big Romo fan. He just couldn’t overcome that cowboys stink but who can

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109. "I agree. He is definitely Romo 2.0"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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17. "Tua Tagovailoa"
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no idea what will happen with his health -- although he has never been healthy over an entire season, dating back to college

I wrote him off before and he was off to a nice start this year, still only in year three

that said, he's small and doesn't have otherworldly gifts or innate QB skills to make him a future great

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75. "RE: Tua Tagovailoa"
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>no idea what will happen with his health -- although he has
>never been healthy over an entire season, dating back to
>college
>
>I wrote him off before and he was off to a nice start this
>year, still only in year three
>
>that said, he's small and doesn't have otherworldly gifts or
>innate QB skills to make him a future great

Russ got some smaller dudes drafted early.

I don't think we're ever going to know for real on Tua. Too many agendas are lined up for him to fail, he now is the mascot for head injuries, and Miami is...well...Miami.

Baker:

Tua is better than Baker (deep ball, decision-making, it looks like the whole team doesn't actively hate him, that shit) and I don't know if Baker is truly as terrible as he looks right now. I can buy the idea that Baker was never physically special but now he's physically cooked and he lacks the other stuff to save him. So now he's just a physically unfit dude out there catching hell.

  

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113. "missed this thread, but I believe in him being a NFL QB of note"
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if he can stay healthy.

Kirk Cousins level

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18. "Justin Herbert"
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I'm still mostly in on him, guy can do it all from a physical standpoint and he is as accurate as they come

that "muted leader" shit might bite him if he never starts winning though

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30. "Gonna be one of the best, soon…"
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It’s obvious. Everything you could want, physically, like you said. Do not get the hate…guys are mad at the kid, because some talking heads have a hard on for him.

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36. "He’s one of them"
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However the chargers are classically an “almost” team so I don’t see him winning a ring

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77. "Fun to watch but"
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>I'm still mostly in on him, guy can do it all from a physical
>standpoint and he is as accurate as they come
>
>that "muted leader" shit might bite him if he never starts
>winning though

He has warts..mostly young dude stuff. Holding the ball, occasionally getting too excited and missing a throw, golden arm syndrome picks, all of that. Even if he stays healthy, he's probably about to get at least one somebody fired.

I hate that he's a subject of bigtime agenda wars.

I hope he doesn't end up another what-if guy who could never get the right shit around him. Imagine him in an easy offense to run like with the Niners!? THAT would be fun.

  

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131. "Made the playoffs, now he has to win some playoff games and a SB"
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19. "Jalen Hurts"
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huge surprise at how much he keeps improving

the guy at Oklahoma was not the guy at Alabama, and this version of Hurts has made the same jump over three NFL seasons

if Philly keeps his weapons upgraded he is going to be a problem -- I'm not ready to put him up a tier but at his rate of progression who knows

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32. "I’ll say, his reputation sounds like Brady or Mamba"
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Not comparing him to Brady or Kobe, but just the way people talk about him. Apparently his grind is legendary. Consistently hearing from people at every level that he’s a first in/last out type, doesn’t take reps off, lifts heavy even during the season. I think he’s proving that overachievers often achieve greatly. He’s a hell of a story and will end the season with several MVP votes at this pace.

  

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35. "Cam with less talent but eons more work ethic"
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He’s already become much better than I ever imagined and I think he will continue to grow and lead that team for a decade

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45. "That’s a horrible comparison lol"
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50. "He's gonna end up with a better career than Tua, that I'm sure of"
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Good to see on that front.

As for becoming elite, not sure about that. But if Philly keeps building, he may not have to be for them to win big.

  

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62. "Prototypical leader who probably won't ever be an elite passer"
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He has those intangibles that inspire fandom. Makes it a little easier to swallow him missing open receivers.

  

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78. "I love him"
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>huge surprise at how much he keeps improving
>
>the guy at Oklahoma was not the guy at Alabama, and this
>version of Hurts has made the same jump over three NFL
>seasons
>
>if Philly keeps his weapons upgraded he is going to be a
>problem -- I'm not ready to put him up a tier but at his rate
>of progression who knows

I'm in the can for him bigtime. I want him to succeed. He's getting better at the stuff he was bad at. I love that shit. He puts his body on the line to try to fill in his gaps. Everyone can dig that up to a point!

His teams seems to love the shit out of him. That's my favorite thing to see. And my least favorite thing to see missing. Philly is going to be a tough out if they stay healthy. And they could mess around and be in the mix for a few years until he gets paid and the team around him fades (if that's still the way the NFL cap works by then).

  

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103. "Most coachable athlete in sports."
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http://art-------school.com/

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20. "Trevor Lawrence"
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Urban Meyer, with his 2014-era college offense, would be the last person I would want to mentor a #1 draft pick quarterback

I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over the long run

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51. "I’m buying Trevor stock"
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>I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over
>the long run

Seems like everyone kinda forgot about him amid all the shenanigans last year and now he’s getting comfortable. For now, I think he’s benefitting from being in a market with little pressure, but I don’t see him staying in Jacksonville.

Honestly mostly buying cause he has kind of an Elway look to him. I’m surprised the dude is not from Cali.

  

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83. "RE: Trevor Lawrence"
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>Urban Meyer, with his 2014-era college offense, would be the
>last person I would want to mentor a #1 draft pick
>quarterback
>
>I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over
>the long run

I like that he's probably going to be at least 'fine' by general definition...as long as he is given time. The key for him is to not Baker himself in the building.

And I wouldn't think the Jags would self-destruct due to high expectations. Their team has a lot of misfits who have bumped around the league, so the room should have SOME realness in it to help stop people from being too Hollywood.

AND now he's seen what a shitshow looks like with Urb on-hand, so that might help him too.

  

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128. "Looking like he is ready to run the AFC South for a decade"
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21. "Zach Wilson"
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he got away with fuckery in the little sheltered BYU world but New York is already eating him alive

slender build for his height and makes dumb decisions with his body, so there is no surprise he's continually hurt so far

I don't see his frame holding up over the long haul and his freestyle gameplay is not NFL level

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33. "Could be at least as good as Kyler but I think his coach is overwhelmed "
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If Kyler Murray can thrive then so can also Zach Wilson. He was fantasticIn Q4 yesterday. Scrambling and creative. But that’s not a sustainable way to win expect to win, much less with so few weapons around him.

  

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123. "..."
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>he got away with fuckery in the little sheltered BYU world
>but New York is already eating him alive

he thinks he is still big man on campus and NYC should worship him -- you ain't king of the mormons anymore and you aren't playing Texas State

his own receivers, Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore called him out this week

have not heard a single Jet defend him

>I don't see his frame holding up over the long haul and his
>freestyle gameplay is not NFL level

literally cannot read coverages and just thinks he can wing it every play that isn't a screen

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126. "Chris Shrevler can throw for 77 yards..."
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... with a full off-season through 11 weeks of the season. Trade Zach elsewhere, RIGHT TODAY, and move on if need be. No reason for Zach to put up Tebow numbers.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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127. "JaMarcus Russell 2.0, he is a bust"
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129. "I never understood how he was drafted so high"
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Jets GM must be a mormon

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130. "2 top 3 picks in 3yrs on QB’s and neither is playable?"
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not just mediocre, you don’t want the mfs on the team?

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22. "Trey Lance"
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haven't seen enough of him, even back in college, so I don't even have an opinion at this point

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23. "Justin Fields"
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um...he's looking kind of shitty. like cannot hit a crossing route kind of shitty. that Ohio State system is too god-like at the college level, so much outside talent, all day to throw and easy reads. buyer beware with Stroud.

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40. "Bum and he regressing"
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57. "I wonder how NFL scouts feel about this , because its a legit concern"
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>that Ohio State system is too god-like
>at the college level, so much outside talent, all day to throw
>and easy reads.


this was the same knock on Haskins (RIP) coming out as well

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70. "Chicago currently is a horrible situation for him"
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not much talent on that side of the ball and unproven coaching. but he should be showing more -- they are scared for him to pass.

I think he's somewhere in-between the awfulness he is at right now and the talent he showed in college.

Stroud gets away with the same stuff; beautiful passes but how often is he challenged or has to pick between tough options?

you mentioned Haskins and the few games that defenses moved him off his spot (Purdue loss) he struggled tremendously...well, the NFL is all about being uncomfortable and how you manage it.

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104. "Talent around him is BAD, too early. He actually makes"
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good decisions, just a lack of talent around him.

http://art-------school.com/

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118. "Knock on him is the same as most young QBs"
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He holds onto the ball too long. That being said I do think the Bears finally stumbled onto using his legs more. I don't know why coaches are so hesitant to adjust their systems to the QB versus the adjusting the QB to the system.

The same can be said for Daniel Jones. They don't utilize his running ability enough.


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156. "Yeah…it’s not getting any better"
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159. "he threw the coaches under the bus this week, so "
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let's see what happens next

he has somehow looked worse than his rookie year so far -- you cannot be taking multiple 5-second sacks

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24. "Mac Jones"
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I cannot believe he was a playoff starting QB last year. he does fine with Belichick, but your ceiling with him is a first-round exit. how many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right today?

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49. "I can't wait for him to be labeled a bust. Pats deserve it"
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151. "I would agree but the Pats somehow "
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have FUCKING MATT PATRICIA as an OFFENSIVE coordinator

that's one of the wildest staff decisions since the Eagles moved Juan Castillo (the offensive line coach) to the DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR years ago.

(to Juan's credit he did "cook the shit out of those chitlins" on one occasion - poetx)

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65. "there's something there, but he's in the wrong environment"
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there's a bunch of stud Alabama wideouts who all rave about Mac.

And when the Niners moved up to 3 to take a QB apparently Kyle Shanahan wanted Mac but was outvoted internally and they went with Lance, who Kyle also liked but just viewed as much more of a project and in turn an impediment to immediate success with their currently loaded roster (hence their clumsiness handling the position this offseason). Isn't it wild to think the team moved up to 3 not even knowing which guy they were going for?!?

I dunno. I haven't seen it with Mac Jones, but guys like Waddle and Jameson Williams love Mac and Kyle Shanahan loved Mac too. Those guys know ball.

I think Mac is just in a terrible environment for a young highly touted offensive player who's trying to blossom. BB is a dick who wants to run the ball, control time of possession, and tackle well.

  

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Great post Will and I largely agree with all of your opinions but I’ll add my own under each QB.

Let the Game of QBs: A Song of Picks and Wins commence.

  

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26. "Now we are cooking with grease and gas"
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Great post Will and I largely agree with all of your opinions but I’ll add my own under each QB.

Let the Game of QBs: A Song of Picks and Wins commence.

  

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53. "Jameis."
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I’m still a Jameis apologist despite being on saints

I think he can still be a good qb.

Will he win a chip? No.

But there’s no reason he can’t have a career like Phil rivers.

On the other hand, he still has 4th quarters like he did v Tampa a few weeks ago. Glad to be on the other end of that for once

  

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59. "I dunno man, Philip Rivers is a HIGH bar"
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Physically he's gifted and like Rivers he seems to be a great leader.

But he almost seems cursed. Like in Tampa the coaches lost faith in him. And in NO, he's been injured too much. NO seemed to be the perfect landing spot, since he got a chance to apprentice under Drew and be coached up by a real QB-whisperer.

It just hasn't happened yet and I'm losing hope it ever will come together for him.

For all of his 'quirks,' his teammates seem to like him. I think if he ever gets to play again in long stretches, he could grow into a top 12-15 QB.

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60. "Rivers is a fringe HOFer"
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his resume is at good if not better than McNabb's, another formerly great QB who's not getting in the HOF but is damn close

you're pretty off there

  

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61. "Right people get carried away with the hottakes sometimes lol"
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64. "yeah, I went overboard with that one. Still think he can come good tho."
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79. "RE: Rivers is a fringe HOFer"
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>his resume is at good if not better than McNabb's, another
>formerly great QB who's not getting in the HOF but is damn
>close
>
>you're pretty off there

Rivers, at least to me, was really shaky for like half a decade and I felt like only me and a couple of my buddies could see it. Kinda like in a Matt Ryan way...dude was winning people fantasy titles and fucking off real life games with ridiculously bad decisions, absurd fumbles, bad line of scrimmage shit, all of that.

Crab Legs is like a bad mix of Favre and Rivers. And he's not going to get 15 years to start so that he can have like 8 good stats seasons. AND now he's seemingly breaking down physically.

  

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69. "will never get the Favre out of himself"
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the volatile decision-making is who he is

unfortunately he does not have the otherworldly talent to offset that -- and actually, even the guys who do have that talent are elite because they take care of the ball

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71. "Brett Favre was MVP 3 yrs in a row and is a HOF'er"
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72. "really? never knew that"
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I wonder what connection I could possibly be referring to between Favre and Winston without implying they were exact equals

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54. "Mariota. Great backup to have."
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Don’t see the difference between him and Tyrod Taylor.

  

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58. "dude is single-handedly messing up Falcons games"
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he screwed up so bad Sunday, coach Smith ran almost 14 run plays in a row, and when we get in the red zone, this dude fumbled again (6th of the season) and had to throw the ball away and we had to settle for 3. Smith completely took the ball out his hands and ran like 12 more times straight




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68. "I wouldn't have minded him on the Colts this year"
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cheap option

however, as mentioned he turns the ball over too much for a veteran place-holder type

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89. "Justin Fields is dogshit "
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Plenty lanes to run and open receivers. Misses it all.

  

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90. "Wide open WR across the middle. *chucks it down field*"
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He is tuuuuurrible

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91. "new breed of TOSU QBs scared to run , same w this years heisman winner"
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>Plenty lanes to run and open receivers. Misses it all.


Stroud is a waaay better thrower though


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149. "He's going to prove everyone wrong (including me) and I'm glad."
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92. "I really thought he would be the first one to make it in the NFL"
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game was ugly past night but he put them in position to win and put the game winner on the WR’s hands.

but yeah.. he looks awful as a passer.

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110. "I grade him incomplete. Bears don't give a FUCK about offense"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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121. "We gotta revisit this "
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I was out on him like everyone else. So no agenda here

I’m legit impressed and perplexed by the newfound confidence. They switched things up for the NE game and he hasn’t looked back since

People were out on Darnell Mooney too early too. He’s a legit WR1 with this version of fields

  

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177. "consider the competition. Pretty sure he's still dogshit"
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Funny enough, I made that post a year ago after watching him vs my Manders on Thursday night football. A year later I just watched him again against my Manders on Thursday night football and I don't feel any better about Justin Fields. DJ Moore is a talent and was wide open all night because Washington secondary is abysmal.

  

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94. "Top 10 ( in my opinion through week 6 2022)"
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10. Geno Smith?
9. Kyler Murray
8. Tom Brady
7. Kirk Cousins
6. Aaron Rodgers
5. Jalen Hurts
4. Joe Burrow
3. Lamar Jackson
2. Josh Allen
1. Patrick Mahomes

this feels like the official changing of the guard year. Packers are gonna struggle to get a wild card all year and Brady seems off. Honestly I think the top 10 falls off a cliff after Hurts. THere's a lot of iffy QB play this year.

  

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95. "I would take out Murray and Rodgers and replace them with"
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Herbert and Daniel Jones.

  

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96. "I wrestled with what to do with Herbert"
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I think he’s hurt and playing through it. He didn’t look his usual sharp and powerful self last night. Though part of that could be Allen going out.

  

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100. "Also that Denver defense is legit, probably a top 5 defense"
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Allen has been injured for basically the whole season, he has only played the first half of the first game of the season.

  

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97. "Daniel Jones? Hell nah"
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Dude is putting up numbers not seen from the QB position since black and white televisions.

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98. "Running numbers need to be accounted for"
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He’s avoiding mistakes and moving the chains.

Giants WRs are horrific, and the middle of the line gets destroyed on pass plays. Giants are working around that with the rollouts, bootlegs, and short passes to the TEs and RBs.

I suspect the numbers will look a lot better when there’s a pocket to step up into and a WR that can get open, catch, and do anything with it after the catch.

  

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101. "PLEAS COPPED...if only every QB got those same excuses lol..."
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>He’s avoiding mistakes and moving the chains.
>
>Giants WRs are horrific, and the middle of the line gets
>destroyed on pass plays. Giants are working around that with
>the rollouts, bootlegs, and short passes to the TEs and RBs.
>
>I suspect the numbers will look a lot better when there’s a
>pocket to step up into and a WR that can get open, catch, and
>do anything with it after the catch.

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105. "Team is 6-1, and he’s 6 TDs, 2 picks "
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Some of you only pay attention to fantasy football points when it’s not your team, but I actually watch the Giants every week because it’s my team.

If he sucked, I’d want him gone.

He’s playing good and getting it done.

  

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99. "You better put some respect on Matty ice name! "
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No Taylor and he got Pittman looking like TO!

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106. "Man, WHAT??!!!"
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I get that you’re going hard for the board contrarian roll since everybody else left, but holy shit.

  

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107. "That was after Matty put up numbers."
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He threw for 389 yards, 3 TDs, and Pittman went for 13/134 that week.
It was a weekly rating

Know the shot before you jeer.

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145. "Imagine talking up Matt Ryan in this thread."
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for any reason.

  

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108. "Geno lowkey playing better than Boody with less expectations"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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112. "Runs counter to my Buffalo agenda, but I believe Tua"
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more than I would have Wac Jones (even if he weren't on the Cheatriots)

Belicheat takes mid QBs and makes them playable (some might even say..."GOAT")

obv bought low on Hurts and that's paying off.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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117. "Mac would've thrived with the Niners, as originally intended"
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he's in a terrible situation, paired with a QB who couldn't give less of a f*ck about his feelings and developing him long term

Belicheck wants to play football like it's 1986, pound the ball/control top/tackle hard

  

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152. "Oh yeah. MacCorkle would be perfect in the Kyle system"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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119. "What’s wrong with Justin Herbert? Is he hurt or just overrated?"
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120. "Broken ribs, top 2 WRs injured, left tackle out for the season "
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Above all else, Lombardi is a terrible OC.

Keenan Allen has only played in 2 games and didn’t finish those. Mike Williams is out.

  

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122. "lmao.. he’s “hurt”"
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love seeing all these pleas copped for his teams injuries.

foh.. its the same as it ever was, Chargers have always been a flashy team that puts up fantasy numbers… not wins

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124. "“terrible OC” wasn’t he there last year?"
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>love seeing all these pleas copped for his teams injuries.
>
>foh.. its the same as it ever was, Chargers have always been a
>flashy team that puts up fantasy numbers… not wins

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125. "Lombardi was but it still doesn’t make him a good hire "
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I’m not saying it excuses poor on the field decisions by Herbert.

Lombardi isn’t very good and a bad hire. His previous OC experience consisted of half a season with the Lions and was fired mid season because his offense was so bad. The majority of his career he has been an assistant coach/QB coach with the Saints under Sean Payton.

Lombardi is/was a bad hire and isn’t maximizing the Chargers offensive talent.

  

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132. "Derek Carr benched rest of season"
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133. "as he should be. "
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and he should be released/traded in the offseason.

  

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134. "if he got hurt the last 2 games he'd be guaranteed 40 mil"
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for the next 2 seasons.

it's a clear sign they're moving on. i have mixed feelings about it. there's so much over his stay here that hasn't been on him, but it's probably better on both ends to move on.

wonder how Devante feels about all this though.

  

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135. "Colts GM can’t wait to trade for Carr"
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136. "RE: Colts GM can’t wait to trade for Carr"
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Too many meathead GM staring at spreadsheets instead of watching games. So yeah, this could for real happen!

  

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137. "Tae's not happy "
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https://twitter.com/theleviedwards/status/1608245930524028929?t=gXSursTUqSP9SY5EM54Mhg&s=19

https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1608246659133378562?t=r5drz844SX6vr5OtfTsspQ&s=19

  

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139. "Josh Allen"
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his last two postseasons were special, but he was awful when it matter this season.

which way is he going next postseason?

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141. "depends on if Buffalo invests in running the ball"
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they've jumped the line to where I think the league wants to go (Full West Coast, fuck RBs, fuck defense on short passes)

they should pick up Kareem Hunt and get that line working. Check back in.

People are relegating him to Phillip Rivers status (Rivers was better than Eli but the Giants put a better team/system around Eli, who was horse piss in his last years. Meanwhile Rivers at least took the Colts to the playoffs before retiring)

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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144. "^^^^ This"
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The whole season i kept wondering why the Bills didnt seem to care that they have a garbage run game. They kept trotting out the same undersized running backs all year. I thought they would have gone all in to get Christian Mccaffrey

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146. "he'll be back"
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I lost faith in the OC Dorsey over the course of the season. offense not tight enough, too reliant on low percentage plays. Josh can make them at a higher clip than most but they neglected perfecting the easy underneath stuff. the chain movers. not a lot of creativity in play design. but also, yes, maybe josh spent too much time with his eyes deep, passing over easy underneath and mid-range. but it felt like they only practiced deep throws and so 3rd down it was hey josh make a crazy play running around or else throw the ball a million miles an hour to Diggs cuz he's who we can count on to separate.

and yea, there's a definite feeling of why run the ball and waste a down. josh's legs bailed them out of a ton of games this year. can't make a consistent O out of wild seat of his pants plays by the quarterback. all josh allen all the time...some of the basics have gone to shit.

don't want to plea cop like a chump for my boy, but watching thriving offenses in the league, i think we're behind on Xs and Os.

RBs, WRs besides Stef. A real top tier TE. And an O line. lot to do personnel wise. o line probably #1 this offseason.

josh has to change his approach but i think we need a new OC drawing it up

  

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140. "Lamar Jackson"
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has his best already been seen? he has never played a full NFL season.

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147. "Some similarities to Josh Allen"
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Curse of the outlier athlete, hasn't fully developed the finer points of winning qbing cuz his athleticism is so different. For now. Also not playing with a top offensive coach and shitty talent puts a cap on a qb's growth.

  

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142. "Brock Purdy"
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who is this man, really

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143. "I don't know what he would be w/o Shanahan"
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but since he will be with Shanahan, he will be more than serviceable. maybe even better than Jimmy G long-term.

right now, a candidate for the next "Boody" (like Burrow, for different reasons).

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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157. "Top ten right today "
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Kyle is literally opening the playbook for this kid

  

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160. "75% of his production is screens and swing passes"
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but he is making all the throws with that other 25% downfield.

He reminds me of Brady.

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148. "Derek Carr refused to waive his No-trade…"
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could be released as early as tomorrow. Saints: ….let’s say we get together by the end of the week (c)

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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150. "not mad at him. a lot of Raider nation is "
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which i think is silly. a few weeks ago, the same people were saying business is business and the Raiders don't owe him shit. but that goes both ways

  

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153. "People are so pro management when they're labor"
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I will never understand this.

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154. "Jordan Love"
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tell us now if you think he's going to start lighting it up after being stashed for three years

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182. "......"
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https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-nah-pout-no-way-gif-15718389

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155. "^ "
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WarriorPoet415
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158. "Sam Howell"
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Early returns are good, despite a porous line, particularly at left tackle.
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161. "Terrible game vs Buffalo"
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it happens..

I like Howell tho. Not afraid to tuck and run.

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164. "he was very slow going through his reads"
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had no protection, held the ball way too long, locked his eyes on where he was going to throw. pretty good poise but reacted way too slowly to everything, didn't check down. once they were playing catch up, it was over. also, not fast or elusive enough to be a real running threat. not sure if it's a good comparison, but he reminded me of Tannehill some.

  

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165. "he has 2 rushing TD’s in 4 starts. "
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166. "Yea he can move a little "
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But he's short and nowhere near as fast as prime Russell Wilson. Nowhere near as fast as Mahomes. He can run a bit but I don't think you really have to worry much about it. Could be wrong, I saw one game.

And of course my standard for running qb is high...Josh Allen is a huge insane athlete

  

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167. "He's kind of a lumbering type dude...link"
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https://www.reddit.com/r/buffalobills/comments/16t2gdp/leonard_floyd_looked_like_von_miller_jr_on_these/

His body is almost like current (fat, slow) Russell

  

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168. "not sure what you are arguing and everything isn't about Josh Allen.. lo..."
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this isn't about speed, it's about extending drives.

He looked like shit vs the Bills but they don't play Buffalo every week.

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170. "if you're a relatively short qb"
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it really helps if you're quick. kyler murray moves like a waterbug.

guilty as charged about injecting josh allen into every discussion. he's the most entertaining football player i've ever watched and he happens to be my qb.

thing is, if Howell was 6'5 with his quickness, he'd be fine. the crazy thing about josh allen is how much distance he covers with every stride. watch that clip i linked of Floyd running Howell down from behind. a qb like...i don't know...josh allen is able to make far more separation with each step.

no argument, just some observations, take em or leave em

  

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169. "he is looking like the 'Baker' of Washington"
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which isn't horrible tbh

But you know there is a ceiling.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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178. "enduring through a bad O-line, bad coach, overrated pass catchers"
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Sam Howell would be outstanding in , say , Pittsburgh or Atlanta ... places where the QB has talent around him but no swag to speak of whatsoever

Having watched Howell so closely I can say he's easily better than anything we've had here since Kirk Cousins. He can make some big time throws.

  

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179. "Still holding the ball too long..."
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this past Sunday every sack he took was on him. He's gotta learn when to throw the ball away. I think he hits a glitch where he wants to make a play even when there isn't one there, and his run instinct is late to kick in from time to time.
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183. "Dude is taking a ridiculous amount of sacks"
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184. "Kenny Pickett stock rising. "
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dude has been clutch in the 4th quarter lately.

5 4th quarter game winning drives.

11-7 as a starter.

Not throwing it all over the field but that Pickens connection is real.

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171. "Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?"
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1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Purdy
4. Tua
5. Hurts

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172. "I’d put Purdy at 2. Dude has yet to lose a fucking game"
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Josh Allen still has some truly shit games.

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173. "RE: I’d put Purdy at 2. Dude has yet to lose a fucking game"
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>Josh Allen still has some truly shit games.

I wanted to Purdy hasn’t lost a game but how many games has he played?

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174. "RE: Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?"
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Mahomes
Allen
Hurts
Lamar
Purdy


I can't put Brock ahead of Hurts

Also Lamar still Lamar out there making those throws. His receivers are just a bunch of stone hands for the most part

  

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175. "i cant put Purdy top 5"
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he keeping it in the road and making the plays thats there but it's not on his shoulders like these other guys. i need to see him put some games on his back when the defense aint getting it done and their incredible skill players are getting neutralized

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176. "I agree with these 5 but not in this order "
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1. Hurts
2. Purdy
3. Tua
4. Mahomes
5. Allen

  

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180. "RE: Top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right today?"
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Mahomes Burrow Tua Lamar Hurts

Mahomes - I'm tired of his jackass interceptions, but he acts a fool for like a month every season. And his WRs don't look like those dudes at all. But I trust him to figure it out and have KC all up in the mix like always.

Burrow - The man BE making throws and febrezing some shaky coaching and offensive line play. His bad Septembers are not kewl, but once he's on, its pretty clearly on. He's still a dream on 3rd downs and again...some of the throws he HITS are repeatable and hard af to stop.

Tua - Please stay healthy! Please! Let me see a whole season of this cool fit between coaching philosophy and personnel! Please! Hell, I'll be greedy here: give me this left-handed Brees shit for like a decade. I'll take it!

Lamar - The media hates it and he got paid with his mama as his agent and made himself even mo money. But fuck that...the brother is out there making throws. Some of the 'metrics' are starting to telling the same story on him too. If cats quit dropping the mfin ball, whooo ride. And he's still a problem when he's cut loose in the open field. He's not shiny or new anymore. But he's still here and someone is going to have to beat him. It might be his own wack ass team but still!

Hurts - He's still a party. He has a play that mainly works because of him that's so good that people are trying to outlaw it..like trying to stop Wilt from dunking and shit. That's gotta count for something! And he is STILL making deep killer throws all over the field. He's still elusive and will break a tackle when he tucks and runs. He hasn't been perfect with the new OC but I buy it with him. Dude went from being banished from Bama for Tua to being THIS. I like it. I love it. I want some more of it.

A couple more:

Josh Allen..arm talent is still out of this world. The throw this last week to the 3rd tight end who hadn't had a catch this year? BONKERS. And he's starting to get his turnover situation under control but its not nothing. I seem to hear a lot about that issue with Dak. JA is right there with Dak in that regard. I want him to run less so we get more time with him in the league. I'm looking right at Cam and Luck here. Just because you're big doesn't mean getting your ass knocked off half a dozen times a week is what you want.

Purdy is friggin good enough and that's cool even if the pundits don't want to admit it cuz of his warts in college or whatever. At his best, he sure seems like the ideal of a lot of the smaller/not physically special QBs who have gotten hot at various times over the last decade. I buy that he mostly makes good AND FAST decisions and that's all he needs most weeks. I hope he keeps it going cuz more good QBs is good for the game.

  

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181. "I'm not saying he's top 5, but Goff has been elite this year."
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And honestly he's been elite going back to the middle of last year. Again, I don't think he's top 5 because I can't argue to knock down any of the above QBs. But RIGHT TODAY????? Goff might be #6.

  

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185. "Define elite..."
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..cause I don't recall anything about Goff's game/stats ever coming close to elite in any category.


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186. "At the time I posted this which was before yesterdays games…"
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Gift’s last 17 games had him at 29 TDs, 4 interceptions, just under 70% completion percentage and 5000 yards with the Lions at 13-4 during that 17 game stretch. For this season, including yesterdays game in which he and the rest of the Lions for blew out, he’s top. 5 in QBR and yards. Also at the time I posted it he’d just come off of a near perfect game at Tampa Bay in which he was absolutely making elite throws and decisions the entire game.

Again, I don’t think he’s top 5, but he’s in that 6-10 area and as of my post “RIGHT TODAY” which was “RIGHT LAST WEEK” at the time he was playing at an elite level.

  

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188. "So... He's not elite."
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..thank you for clearing that up. lol


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189. "there arent 5 QBs better over the last calendar year"
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thats a fact, no matter what your personal evaluation is

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187. "he had no feel for the ball yesterday "
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coming out of his hand wobbly, or slipping out altogether

we got lucky (at the time, the beatdown after made it irrelevant) when they ruled some turfed screen pass as incomplete, but it looked to me like the ball was slipping out of his hand already and he just pushed it at the ground

idk if he jammed his finger during the week or something, but he seemed to have a lot of trouble getting a grip on the ball

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