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"OKPW 2022 - Forbidden Door through Summerfest"


  

          

Its mid-June and here we are:

- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help for real again? Aight.
- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll still be a good/fun show probably.
- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9 months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble. That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be WONDERFUL!
- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight? Ish?
- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and tan up for nothing!
- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while, but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.

I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again, right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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The limitations on Forbidden Door suck
Jun 15th 2022
1
RE: The limitations on Forbidden Door suck
Jun 15th 2022
2
      Yeah, I know a former booker and his stories are nuts.
Jun 15th 2022
4
      hes just a shitty booker
Jun 16th 2022
12
WWE Board Probes $3M Hush Pact by CEO Vince McMahon
Jun 15th 2022
3
This is fuckling wild. And really bad.
Jun 15th 2022
5
The only surprising thing is that it’s taken this long to come out.
Jun 15th 2022
6
RE: The only surprising thing is that it’s taken this long to come out...
Jun 16th 2022
10
Certainly the speculation is that this is a Nick Khan power move
Jun 16th 2022
16
      Man even this sounds like an angle haha
Jun 16th 2022
18
were wrestling fans. we know a lot of the bodies
Jun 15th 2022
7
how about Vince kicking her down to the road to Johnny Ace
Jun 15th 2022
9
i bet emily feinberg aint get no $3M
Jun 15th 2022
8
Holy shit the Genetic Jackhammer is stepping aside.
Jun 17th 2022
19
The twitter streets are saying Sasha is somehow released?
Jun 16th 2022
11
she's the female goat. This needs to get resolved.
Jun 16th 2022
13
Kevin Dunn being investigated for insider trading
Jun 16th 2022
14
seems it's been debunked since you posted
Jun 16th 2022
15
      Yep. Pretty sure I’m 0-2 on that front right now
Jun 16th 2022
17
           Usually a bad sign if it looks like a geocities website, lol
Jun 17th 2022
20
                Yep, I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking
Jun 17th 2022
22
                     RE: Yep, I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking
Jun 17th 2022
25
                          Also, it looks like there may have been insider trading
Jun 17th 2022
27
                               Yeah I had seen that from another source prior to the Dunn story
Jun 17th 2022
30
On a lighter note
Jun 17th 2022
21
Vince Steps Down As Chairman And CEO-ESPN
Jun 17th 2022
23
It's a PR move that doesn't really do anything
Jun 17th 2022
24
Pretty much.
Jun 17th 2022
26
      I think this is the beginning of the end.
Jun 17th 2022
29
           It looks like he’s gonna be on Smackdown IN CHARACTER tonight
Jun 17th 2022
31
                RE: It looks like he’s gonna be on Smackdown IN CHARACTER tonight
Jun 17th 2022
32
                     there's no way its not a hat in hands apology
Jun 17th 2022
33
Still in charge of creative
Jun 17th 2022
28
Vince is something else man i tell ya
Jun 17th 2022
34
RE: Vince is something else man i tell ya
Jun 17th 2022
35
      I might just stay checked out until the Rumble tbh
Jun 17th 2022
36
           this shit is TIRED
Jun 17th 2022
37
                RE: this shit is TIRED
Jun 18th 2022
38
Lesnar/Reigns? Again?
Jun 18th 2022
39
Thank God they got Okada
Jun 23rd 2022
40
Yeah, I'm sure I'm enjoy it, but the build-up has been under-booked...
Jun 23rd 2022
41
      That’s also sorta New Japan’s style unfortunately
Jun 23rd 2022
42
           RE: That’s also sorta New Japan’s style unfortunately
Jun 23rd 2022
43
                I wonder this as well…
Jun 23rd 2022
44
                     RE: I wonder this as well…
Jun 25th 2022
52
Late pass..Jungle Boy is
Jun 23rd 2022
45
Christian was the easy highlight of another mess of a show
Jun 23rd 2022
46
RE: Christian was the easy highlight of another mess of a show
Jun 24th 2022
47
when i say i actually cared, he really had me
Jun 24th 2022
49
He did an MJF promo better than MJF
Jun 24th 2022
48
it was a real life wrestling promo
Jun 24th 2022
50
      RE: it was a real life wrestling promo
Jun 25th 2022
51
hes heating up (c) NBA JAM announcer
Jun 29th 2022
61
Forbidden Door was really good and a whole lot of fun
Jun 27th 2022
53
RE: Forbidden Door was really good and a whole lot of fun
Jun 27th 2022
54
Orange has said in the past "I could be a regular old indie dude
Jun 27th 2022
55
      that dude could be a Jeff Hardy type star with a better gimmick
Jun 28th 2022
58
           Dude's getting fantastic reactions and not killing himself every week.
Jun 29th 2022
60
Was there live, the show was great
Jun 27th 2022
56
      RE: Was there live, the show was great
Jun 28th 2022
57
           I hope they continue to do these once a year
Jun 28th 2022
59
im so glad i didnt waste money on a ticket to this
Jun 29th 2022
62
UGH, I was right there - it was a disaster
Jun 30th 2022
63
until proven otherwise, he's a trust fund kid with a wrestling hobby
Jun 30th 2022
65
He basically said as much last night
Jun 30th 2022
66
more than that, i think hes actively an idiot
Jun 30th 2022
69
      he made Punk wrestle every week. Now he's toast before his big run.
Jun 30th 2022
74
it mostly just looked silly
Jun 30th 2022
68
      I mean, that's the story.
Jun 30th 2022
70
           no one wants that story tho
Jun 30th 2022
71
                RE: no one wants that story tho
Jun 30th 2022
72
                     he already beat Jericho clean in a singles match, so...
Jun 30th 2022
73
Jericho is going out like Morrisey or Kanye, albeit less offensive
Jun 30th 2022
64
Y'all listening to this Regal podcast?
Jun 30th 2022
67
didn't even know it existed but glad I do now
Jun 30th 2022
75
It's only a couple of weeks deep.
Jun 30th 2022
76
      Gonna check this out
Jul 01st 2022
77
RE: Y'all listening to this Regal podcast?
Jul 05th 2022
82
It's more in the vein of the Arn pod
Jul 05th 2022
85
      It IS crazy
Jul 07th 2022
92
Thanks again for this
Jul 10th 2022
102
YEP. I noticed big time that Orange Cassidy does an excellent pin.
Jul 12th 2022
128
      RE: YEP. I noticed big time that Orange Cassidy does an excellent pin.
Jul 12th 2022
130
           Prolly because people like to call out OC
Jul 13th 2022
132
           I had to put on the YouTube version
Jul 14th 2022
145
Thanks, this is great!
Jul 13th 2022
133
      RE: Thanks, this is great!
Jul 14th 2022
142
           True, it does seem to take him a second to put together his sentences
Jul 14th 2022
143
Maximum Male Models has huge "so bad its good" potential
Jul 01st 2022
78
I haven't laughed at wwe tv like that in a long ass time
Jul 01st 2022
79
RE: I haven't laughed at wwe tv like that in a long ass time
Jul 02nd 2022
80
Eli Drake could get over for real if they let him
Jul 04th 2022
81
      I still think of that LOOSE Christmas promo he cut on NWA
Jul 05th 2022
84
           that first season of NWA was awesome
Jul 06th 2022
86
WWE young folks
Jul 05th 2022
83
ill never stop beating this drum...2POINT0 is being completely wasted
Jul 06th 2022
87
Dude, this is the best they've had it since leaving the indie scene
Jul 06th 2022
88
      to me its a major "yes, but" as long as they are in Jerichos creative
Jul 06th 2022
89
           The counter is "there are only so many spots"
Jul 06th 2022
90
           AND I forgot House of Black and REDragon
Jul 06th 2022
91
                most of those teams suck
Jul 10th 2022
100
                     You just named almost all of the teams he named lol
Jul 10th 2022
101
                          no i didnt
Jul 11th 2022
103
                               You can SAY the Bucks and Lucha Bros aren't top-tier teams in AEW
Jul 11th 2022
104
                                    the "top tier teams" are whoever one guy says they are
Jul 11th 2022
105
                                         That's fine, but you wanted to know why 2.0 were floating around JAS
Jul 11th 2022
106
                                         thats not an answer tho
Jul 11th 2022
109
                                              It's just an answer you don't like.
Jul 11th 2022
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                                                   no, its really not lol
Jul 11th 2022
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                                                        i mean I thought Wardlow was over because he was paired with a hot heel
Jul 12th 2022
122
                                         These 2 teams had arguably the match of the year in 2021
Jul 11th 2022
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                                              ...the cage match???
Jul 11th 2022
108
                                                   Yes, that INCREDIBLE tag team match
Jul 11th 2022
111
                                                        id call it silly and fake, but different strokes i guess.
Jul 11th 2022
116
                                                             RE: id call it silly and fake, but different strokes i guess.
Jul 11th 2022
120
           Something I’ll never understand…
Jul 08th 2022
93
           I figure their situation is sorta analogous to The Acclaimed
Jul 08th 2022
99
                The Acclaimed survived it, but are they more popular because of it?
Jul 11th 2022
110
                     If they had gotten a push before they were ready, they’d be worse off
Jul 11th 2022
112
                     See "Reeves, Ryan" and "Strowman, Braun"
Jul 11th 2022
114
                     i feel like Randle McMurphy right now
Jul 11th 2022
118
                          Strowman didn't get the chance to develop his promo
Jul 12th 2022
127
                     whats "ready" in this context?
Jul 11th 2022
117
                          Ready = looking like a tag team that can credibly challenge for the titl...
Jul 11th 2022
119
                               Bowens is just finally healthy again. theyre about to get the push
Jul 11th 2022
121
                               i think in general TK’s been good at keeping the midcard/upper midcard...
Jul 12th 2022
123
                               they dont look like anything like credible contenders
Jul 12th 2022
125
                                    They’re over af. That’s what makes them credible.
Jul 12th 2022
129
                                         RE: They’re over af. That’s what makes them credible.
Jul 12th 2022
131
                                         no its not
Jul 13th 2022
135
                     Very much so.
Jul 12th 2022
124
                          none of that precludes them winning on TV
Jul 12th 2022
126
But w-w-w-wait it get’s worse! Vince paid 12 mil to 4 women
Jul 08th 2022
94
Is it bad that I read 4 and thought that’s low?
Jul 08th 2022
95
      *4 that we know about
Jul 08th 2022
96
           RE: *4 that we know about
Jul 08th 2022
97
                The news for Vince is only going to get worse
Jul 08th 2022
98
that 3 team tag match on AEW tongiht was great
Jul 13th 2022
134
real stand up move by the EVPs
Jul 13th 2022
136
RE: that 3 team tag match on AEW tongiht was great
Jul 13th 2022
137
I thought it was good until the final 2 mins
Jul 13th 2022
140
How are they fucking up Jade this bad?
Jul 13th 2022
138
the Swole-Tony weed saga is a top 25 funniest BTS story
Jul 13th 2022
139
Damn, I hadn’t even seen that
Jul 14th 2022
141
      he needs media avoidance
Jul 14th 2022
146
           Agreed, he seems to need credit for everything
Jul 15th 2022
147
                and then he tried to kayfabe the sparkler show!
Jul 15th 2022
148
RE: How are they fucking up Jade this bad?
Jul 14th 2022
144
So... what happens to WWE moving forward?
Jul 26th 2022
149
Whooo! Loaded questions!
Jul 26th 2022
150
Gotta imagine Starks had his waist cleared for something else
Jul 28th 2022
151
Great babyface turn promo after
Jul 28th 2022
152
they were already both babyfaces
Jul 28th 2022
154
      no, they weren’t.
Jul 29th 2022
161
Brian Cage remains Cornette level bitter
Jul 28th 2022
153
clumsy, dumb, and unnecessary
Jul 28th 2022
155
      it was a two minute match after Starks got dumped on his neck
Jul 28th 2022
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      i didnt say it was complicated
Jul 28th 2022
159
      Like, go watch old JCP tapes man.
Jul 28th 2022
158
AEW is wretched right now
Jul 28th 2022
156
Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite
Jul 29th 2022
160
Yeah I enjoyed tf out of that ep
Jul 29th 2022
162
for the first time???
Jul 29th 2022
164
      he was in the "go away" category for me
Jul 29th 2022
168
RE: Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite
Jul 29th 2022
163
RE: Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite
Jul 29th 2022
165
      I'm a little more generous to a lot of the recent Dynamite's...
Jul 29th 2022
166
      Swerve has made me more interested every time ive seen him
Jul 29th 2022
167
Logan Paul 2/2 that boy athletic and entertaining
Jul 30th 2022
169
Gotta hand it to him.
Jul 30th 2022
173
The walk to the ring is outrageous
Jul 30th 2022
170
Lmaoooo
Jul 30th 2022
172
      How blessed we are that Undertaker is retired.
Aug 10th 2022
209
           Literally would have time to go pick up a pizza and come back
Aug 10th 2022
210
Great start. Bumass Corbin will be a classic SS moment😂😂😂
Jul 30th 2022
171
that was incredible once the tractor came into play
Jul 30th 2022
174
if this show was any indication, HHH bout to bring WWE byke
Jul 30th 2022
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      RE: if this show was any indication, HHH bout to bring WWE byke
Jul 31st 2022
178
           Regarding this:
Aug 01st 2022
182
Great show top to bottom. Bonkers main event.
Jul 30th 2022
176
Theory being treated as an annoyance popped me.
Jul 31st 2022
177
      Curious what would have happened if Theory actually cashed in
Jul 31st 2022
179
           No idea
Aug 01st 2022
180
                Why on earth would u cash in before that match finished?
Aug 01st 2022
181
                Because Theory is Kronk made flesh.
Aug 01st 2022
183
                It’s possible that he needs to join an existing match to get both titl...
Aug 01st 2022
185
                There kinda needs to be clarification on the ref’s role
Aug 01st 2022
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                     I think in terms of protocol, the referee has to accept the cash-in
Aug 01st 2022
187
                          yeah the cash in doesnt count until the bell hits
Aug 01st 2022
188
Sasha and Naomi byke resigned. Based Haitch doing thangs
Aug 01st 2022
186
I watched almost all of Raw last night and really enjoyed it
Aug 02nd 2022
189
Ciampa plays a foot taller
Aug 02nd 2022
190
RE: I watched almost all of Raw last night and really enjoyed it
Aug 02nd 2022
191
The Acclaimed crushed it tonight lol
Aug 03rd 2022
192
RE: The Acclaimed crushed it tonight lol
Aug 04th 2022
193
Haitch said you get Kross AND Scarlett this time
Aug 05th 2022
194
I honestly feel like anything is possible
Aug 06th 2022
195
      Strowman is a moron, and will not be back
Aug 06th 2022
196
      RE: I honestly feel like anything is possible
Aug 06th 2022
197
Bayley calling her Dakota Sky could work as their tag team name
Aug 09th 2022
198
This is a very underrated quality:
Aug 09th 2022
200
      And of course, major slip ups live on forever
Aug 09th 2022
201
           RE: And of course, major slip ups live on forever
Aug 09th 2022
205
                Even his correction is hilarious
Aug 09th 2022
206
I want this Judgment Day thing to be a huge swerve
Aug 09th 2022
199
Edge plus JD was money
Aug 09th 2022
202
      it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention
Aug 09th 2022
203
           RE: it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention
Aug 09th 2022
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           RE: it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention
Aug 09th 2022
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           it was allegedly going paranormal and he didnt want to be in that
Aug 09th 2022
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Punk back!
Aug 10th 2022
211
RE: Punk back!
Aug 11th 2022
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and not a moment too soon
Aug 12th 2022
213
I think Triple H just knows more about wrestling TV than Vince
Aug 15th 2022
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Drew Mac said wrestling 3 times in 1 sentence lol
Aug 15th 2022
215
i dont think its necessarily know-how
Aug 16th 2022
216
      We’re saying similar things but you may have said it better right here...
Aug 16th 2022
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           RE: We’re saying similar things but you may have said it better right ...
Aug 16th 2022
218
           THIS
Aug 16th 2022
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           I disagree with the idea that there is/has to be a "competition" tho
Aug 16th 2022
220
           if anyone's fanned those flames, it's been AEW
Aug 16th 2022
221
                That's... not really true
Aug 17th 2022
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           William Regal and Phil!
Aug 16th 2022
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           AEW just needs its top guys back
Aug 16th 2022
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           3 enjoyable weekly TV shows might not be as profitable
Aug 16th 2022
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                RE: 3 enjoyable weekly TV shows might not be as profitable
Aug 17th 2022
225
Punk v Moxley on Dynamite next week
Aug 18th 2022
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We can only hope
Aug 18th 2022
228
I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for All Ou...
Aug 18th 2022
229
      RE: I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for Al...
Aug 18th 2022
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           RE: I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for Al...
Aug 18th 2022
231
                My fantasy booking on the future Punk heel turn…
Aug 18th 2022
233
Crippled Kenny
Aug 18th 2022
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yeah, I kinda forgot how much I love his wrestling, which is crazy
Aug 18th 2022
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I mean you have Cornette still unwilling to forgive Omega
Aug 18th 2022
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      Right, and stuff like this you could nitpick with anybody
Aug 18th 2022
238
the irony is it's the best psychology he's demonstrated in AEW
Aug 18th 2022
237
last night was the quarterly outlying Dynamite
Aug 18th 2022
235
This Punk discourse is tiresome
Aug 19th 2022
239
      I think they're trying to warm up an ice cold Hangman
Aug 19th 2022
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      And I'm talking COLD
Aug 19th 2022
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      they tried to build him after the fact
Aug 19th 2022
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      he made everyone at the kids table mad
Aug 21st 2022
248
Hit Row might be one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in wrasslin
Aug 20th 2022
243
RE: Hit Row might be one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in wrassli...
Aug 20th 2022
244
They were great with Swerve
Aug 20th 2022
246
      The dude from WWE's Most Wanted Treasures really thinks hes somethin
Aug 22nd 2022
251
           Well he ain’t called Bottom Dolla
Aug 22nd 2022
252
My heart smiles for Sami Zayn
Aug 20th 2022
245
He was awesome last night
Aug 20th 2022
247
      Owens/Zayn v Bloodline at, like, a December PPV is an ATM machine
Aug 21st 2022
249
I think Haitch/WWE can mold Hangman a big-time star.
Aug 22nd 2022
250
RE: I think Haitch/WWE can mold Hangman a big-time star.
Aug 22nd 2022
253
      I think Page was kinda just screwed by circumstances beyond his...
Aug 22nd 2022
254
           Yeah, they hadn’t built up enough heels to go against him
Aug 22nd 2022
255
                Also lol @ this
Aug 22nd 2022
256
                Brian Cage would've been a good "opponent of the week"
Aug 23rd 2022
257
I came into Raw late last night, and was just blown away til the end
Aug 23rd 2022
258
The Way was FANTASTIC
Aug 23rd 2022
259
RE: I came into Raw late last night, and was just blown away til the end
Aug 25th 2022
272
Man AEW is a wreck
Aug 24th 2022
260
It’s a mess, but this is just to build suspense
Aug 24th 2022
261
lol … if that’s what they’re doing that’s some Bischoff in 98 sh...
Aug 24th 2022
262
      You’re not wrong
Aug 24th 2022
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RE: Man AEW is a wreck
Aug 24th 2022
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In a certain sense, they may be becoming Vince’s WWE of the last few y...
Aug 24th 2022
265
      yeah, that might be it
Aug 25th 2022
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      ill go a step further than that
Aug 26th 2022
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      re: Ospreay - i can already tell
Aug 26th 2022
274
It’s a work. I don’t buy the “Punk is disgruntled” line for a se...
Aug 25th 2022
266
Same. I’m sure he can be grumpy sometimes
Aug 25th 2022
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what a deflating experience
Aug 25th 2022
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RE: what a deflating experience
Aug 25th 2022
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      i mean, they do the men the same way kinda
Aug 26th 2022
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           Everybody loves the Acclaimed
Aug 26th 2022
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                I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble
Aug 26th 2022
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                     RE: I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble
Aug 26th 2022
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                     RE: I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble
Aug 27th 2022
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Acclaimed getting a title shot and Trios is lit
Aug 25th 2022
269
First names are back!!!
Aug 30th 2022
280
wouldn't it be gold if after like 15 years they gave Sheamus one
Aug 30th 2022
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Hope Big E heals up so he can get his last name back.
Aug 30th 2022
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there are a half dozen people involved in the title picture
Aug 30th 2022
283
I agree, and just Hunter’s presence makes them believable contenders t...
Aug 30th 2022
284
Watched Raw last night… what a treat Chad Gable is
Aug 30th 2022
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RE: Watched Raw last night… what a treat Chad Gable is
Aug 30th 2022
286
Man if Mox is the AEW MVP then Dax gotta be Sixth Man or something
Sep 10th 2022
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RE: Man if Mox is the AEW MVP then Dax gotta be Sixth Man or something
Sep 14th 2022
288
i fucking hate Sammy in all ways at the same time
Sep 14th 2022
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RE: i fucking hate Sammy in all ways at the same time
Sep 15th 2022
290

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1. "The limitations on Forbidden Door suck"
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>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.

Just found out about this. I would love Lucha Bros vs. Dangerous Tekkers (or even G.O.D), but AAA has nixed any of their talent being used.

  

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2. "RE: The limitations on Forbidden Door suck"
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>
>>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks
>are
>>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>>still be a good/fun show probably.
>
>Just found out about this. I would love Lucha Bros vs.
>Dangerous Tekkers (or even G.O.D), but AAA has nixed any of
>their talent being used.

Rap music (and lots of the boxing world during my lifetime) prepared me for issues like this I think...especially the first one! It is HARD to get multiple companies to play nice together. And with wrestling? Of course it will be crazy! Old 'fuck yous' and/or 'we're never doing business again after that bullshit you pulled in Idaho in 92s' die hard sometimes! We've all heard these podcasts with dudes with almost no pull still holding 10-40 year old grudges, so just imagine an active promoter with a gripe!?

And of course Tony is showing up all bright eyed and bushy tailed trying to do some Fire Pro Wrestling Promoter Mode shit. In his mind, he has money and the idea to download these rosters onto the same save and make some shit happen! Cornette, Konnan and crew love shitting on the dude and I see it impacting people's willingness to give AEW some grace as they figure some stuff out. And DUH, he's obviously not perfect. But its super easy to forget the pre-AEW world we were living in here. NXT was grand but folks were failing like crazy on the main roster, WWE was something less than grand with the wrestlers putting on in-ring shows well above and beyond most of the storytelling, the indies were doing alright via some growing names flying around (like Cody!) I guess, and New Japan was being pillaged over and over again (From Balor on). Oh, and hella wrestlers were on moth balls in catering.

A thing I like: if they do FD even 4 or 5 times, they'll eventually almost have to end up with a really good one. You know? The right people matched up against one another. The right stories. And even when there's no story and its just a 'look at this random good match we can do', some of those will work out well too. Kinda like some really good Manias weren't apparently going to be good before they happened. And even if there's a bad FD show or two along the way, its still cool that two big rasslin companies are trying to figure out a way to put on a card with at least some of their main stars. It ain't like the main event of FD is Swerve vs Karl Anderson or something like that.

Hell, we're walking around now with WWE PLEs where most of the main titles aren't getting defended and Roman is damn near Brocking us. I'm not trying to be convinced that I should be pissed about 'only' getting The Ace vs Mox or whatever.

  

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4. "Yeah, I know a former booker and his stories are nuts."
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He’s the nicest dude and he helped run a very small promotion. You’d think that combo would make things relatively easy, and yet, he found it impossible to navigate the wrestling world w/o pissing someone off. You work with the wrong person or promotion and you’re dead to someone else. But they won’t even tell you that, you gotta hear it through the grapevine months later.

By that same token, things change in an instant. AEW & Impact had a strong relationship, then suddenly it was over. Meanwhile, New Japan was pissed at AEW’s mere existence a couple years ago, then things started to thaw during the pandemic, and now they’re running a PPV together. So I still have a small amount of hope that a “super indie” show is possible.

  

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12. "hes just a shitty booker"
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and why wouldn't he be?

he has no experience, discernible talent, or mentor to learn from.

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3. "WWE Board Probes $3M Hush Pact by CEO Vince McMahon"
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WSJ: WWE Board Probes Secret $3 Million Hush Pact by CEO Vince McMahon, Sources Say

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wwe-board-probes-secret-3-million-hush-pact-by-ceo-vince-mcmahon-sources-say-11655322722

The board of World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. is investigating a secret $3 million settlement that longtime chief executive Vince McMahon agreed to pay to a departing employee with whom he allegedly had an affair, according to documents and people familiar with the board inquiry.

The January 2022 separation agreement bars the now-former employee, who was hired as a paralegal in 2019, from discussing her relationship with Mr. McMahon or disparaging him, the people said.

The board's investigation, which began in April, has unearthed other, older nondisclosure agreements involving claims by former female WWE employees of misconduct by Mr. McMahon and one of his top executives, John Laurinaitis, the head of talent relations at WWE, the people said. The Journal couldn't determine how many previous agreements were being scrutinized.

The board's outside counsel was still collecting information about the other NDAs this week but has determined that the payments totaled in the millions of dollars, the people said.

The board's eight independent directors have retained New York-based law firm Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP to conduct the investigation, one of the people said. The board's preliminary findings are that Mr. McMahon used personal funds to pay the former female employees who signed the agreements, including the one involving allegations against Mr. Laurinaitis, this person said.

More broadly, the law firm also is assessing WWE's compliance and human-resources programs and company culture, the person said.

A WWE spokesman said the company, which runs the world's most-famous wrestling business, is cooperating fully with the board inquiry and that the relationship with the ex-paralegal was consensual. He added that the company takes the allegations seriously and is dealing with them appropriately.

Messrs. McMahon and Laurinaitis didn't respond directly to requests to comment.

In a letter to The Wall Street Journal, Mr. McMahon's attorney, Jerry McDevitt, said that the former paralegal hadn't made any claims of harassment against Mr. McMahon and that "WWE did not pay any monies" to the ex-employee "on her departure."

WWE reported record revenue of $1.1 billion last year and net income of $180.4 million, with most of its revenue from selling content rights, including a five-year exclusive agreement with NBCUniversal's Peacock streaming platform in 2021 that is valued at $1 billion.

WWE also has TV licensing agreements with Fox Corp. and NBCUniversal, and recently secured its first stand-alone international distribution deal with Disney Plus Hotstar in Indonesia. Fox Corp. and Wall Street Journal parent News Corp share common ownership.

WWE also is seeking to make more international deals and its negotiations closer to home. The company's deal with Hulu, which streams WWE's Monday Night Raw, is set to expire later this year. Walt Disney Co. holds a majority stake in the streaming platform.

The 12-member board of directors includes several WWE executives and members of the McMahon family, including Mr. McMahon, who is chairman; his daughter Stephanie McMahon; her husband, Paul Levesque, better known as the wrestler Triple H; and WWE President Nick Khan. Man Jit Singh, a former Sony Pictures Home Entertainment executive, is the lead independent director and is running the inquiry, according to people familiar with it.

Ms. McMahon stepped away from her role as WWE's chief brand officer last month, writing in a LinkedIn post that she was "taking this time to focus on my family" but that she planned to return.

Though its stock is publicly traded, Mr. McMahon effectively controls the company, WWE securities filings show, as he owns a majority of the company's Class B shares, giving him a majority of shareholders' voting power. The Class B shares have 10 times the voting power of the Class A shares available to regular investors and are owned exclusively by Mr. McMahon, his family and trusts benefiting individual family members, the filings show.

Board members learned of the $3 million agreement in a series of anonymous emails they received from someone who said the former WWE paralegal was a friend.

The first email, sent to board members on March 30, alleged that Mr. McMahon, 76 years old, initially hired the woman at a salary of $100,000 but increased it to $200,000 after beginning a sexual relationship with her. The email to the board also alleged that Mr. McMahon "gave her like a toy" to Mr. Laurinaitis. The board is investigating the allegations in the email, the people familiar with the inquiry said.

"My friend was so scared so she quit after Vince McMahon and lawyer Jerry paid her millions of dollars to shut up," the initial email to the board said, referring to Mr. McMahon's longtime lawyer, Mr. McDevitt, who negotiated the deal, according to people familiar with the board inquiry.

Mr. McDevitt, a Pittsburgh-based partner at law firm K&L Gates, has represented WWE and Mr. McMahon for decades. He defended them in the 1990s against federal charges of distributing and conspiring to distribute steroids to WWE wrestlers. A jury acquitted Mr. McMahon and WWE in 1994. WWE is partnering with production company Blumhouse to develop "The United States Vs. Vince McMahon," a TV series about the steroids case.

The directors received a copy of the $3 million agreement from one of Mr. McMahon's lawyers on June 12, one person familiar with the inquiry said. The nondisclosure agreement provided an upfront payment of $1 million to the former employee, with the remaining $2 million to be doled out over a period of five years, people familiar with the deal said.

The former employee, 41, had fallen on hard times before joining the company and spoke of needing extra money, said people who spoke with her while she worked at WWE. She said she had a law degree but had never taken the bar exam, telling colleagues that her career got sidetracked while she tended to a sick parent, they said.

The former employee moved from the legal department in 2021 to become an assistant to Mr. Laurinaitis, according to the people familiar with the inquiry.

Near the outset of the inquiry, lawyers for the independent directors asked WWE, Mr. McMahon and Mr. Laurinaitis to turn over complaints or allegations about any relationships the executives may have had with company employees, one of the people said.

In recent days, the investigators learned of the other nondisclosure agreements involving allegations against Messrs. McMahon and Laurinaitis, the person said.

Mr. Laurinaitis, a former wrestler whose ring name was Johnny Ace, has been at WWE since 2001 in various roles and most recently as the company's top talent recruiter. His biography on the WWE website describes him as "one of Mr. McMahon's most trusted associates."

Mr. McMahon bought Capitol Wrestling Co., the holding company that owned what was then known as the World Wrestling Federation, from his father in 1982, corporate records show. In partnership with his wife, Linda McMahon, who served as head of the Small Business Administration in the Trump administration, Mr. McMahon expanded the company into a colossus of the professional wrestling boom of the 1980s, turning performers like Hulk Hogan, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Jesse Ventura into household names.

Decades later, WWE continues to portray Mr. McMahon as critical to the company's success. Mr. McMahon "leads the creative team that develops the story lines and the characters for our programming (including our television, WWE Network and other programming)," the company reported in a regulatory filing, which lists the potential loss of the CEO as a risk factor for investors.

  

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5. "This is fuckling wild. And really bad."
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There are likely A LOT of bodies buried over misconduct pay-offs and NDAs they've had people sign over the years. You pick those scabs, and a whole lot of blood comes gushing out.

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6. "The only surprising thing is that it’s taken this long to come out."
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>There are likely A LOT of bodies buried over misconduct
>pay-offs and NDAs they've had people sign over the years. You
>pick those scabs, and a whole lot of blood comes gushing out.

That lawyer who was on Dark Side seems like the scummiest dude too.

Zooming out for a second, if the Board gets rid of him, this couldn’t be worse timing for the rest of the McMahon family if they want to keep control of the company. Vince was already giving more and more power to Nick Khan, then Hunter has a health problem and steps away, Shane gets fired, and Steph sorta quits.

  

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10. "RE: The only surprising thing is that it’s taken this long to come out..."
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>>There are likely A LOT of bodies buried over misconduct
>>pay-offs and NDAs they've had people sign over the years.
>You
>>pick those scabs, and a whole lot of blood comes gushing
>out.
>
>That lawyer who was on Dark Side seems like the scummiest dude
>too.
>
>Zooming out for a second, if the Board gets rid of him, this
>couldn’t be worse timing for the rest of the McMahon family
>if they want to keep control of the company. Vince was already
>giving more and more power to Nick Khan, then Hunter has a
>health problem and steps away, Shane gets fired, and Steph
>sorta quits.

I've seen the meme of Nick Khan moving up the WWE ladder Mortal Kombat style. I laughed for a bit. Then I thought 'well, shit..this might be happening for real right now. What's gonna stop him if Vince has to do even a fake/on-paper step-down?'.

And yeah, I always assumed there's been payoffs/hush money and things of that nature in pretty much any company, wrestling especially.

I wonder what kind of other info will come out, how much people will act a fool over it, and what Vince does about it. I'm guessing there'll me more info, people will react in a Twitter-like manner over all of it, and Vince will stay quiet and stay put as much as humanly possible.

  

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16. "Certainly the speculation is that this is a Nick Khan power move"
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That he wants to force Vince's hand into selling the WWE and has been clearing everyone out since. If Johnny Ace is indeed fed to the wolves, then the only members of the "old guard" left are Brother Bruce and Kevin Dunn, I guess.

Or maybe Jeff Jarrett is finally making his move? (j/k, clearly)

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18. "Man even this sounds like an angle haha "
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Like Succession but with carneys

  

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7. "were wrestling fans. we know a lot of the bodies"
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it was always a matter of when, not if w/ this stuff

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9. "how about Vince kicking her down to the road to Johnny Ace"
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Like Dennis Reynolds did for Mac

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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8. "i bet emily feinberg aint get no $3M"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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19. "Holy shit the Genetic Jackhammer is stepping aside. "
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I don’t think he even did that during the steroid trial. I mean, yeah, it’s “temporarily,” Steph is back in charge, and he’s still holing up with Brother Bruce to write the show. But still…

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11. "The twitter streets are saying Sasha is somehow released?"
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People claim to be unclear whether she got cut or if it is more of her saying 'hey, I'm not coming back this time..not ever' and WWE said 'sounds good. We're not paying you, we've already buried you in writing and on TV, none of us GAF about a tag team title, and we have Bianca filling the hell out of our black lady who wins enough to seem important spot'.

People also seem unclear if this shit has actually really happened yet.

It is wild that 'suspended without pay indefinitely' is an option for people on these types of contracts..especially when they wipe out your merch. I still think the MJF think is a *plays Rihanna f/Drake 'Work'* cuz he didn't want to be on FD and he gets a break. But this Sasha/Naomi thing? Hmm...I thought they'd eventually figure it out!

>Its mid-June and here we are:
>
>- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
>- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as
>shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help
>for real again? Aight.
>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.
>- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin
>HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9
>months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble.
>That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be
>WONDERFUL!
>- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at
>least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight?
>Ish?
>- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
>- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
>- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
>- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully
>that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and
>tan up for nothing!
>- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while,
>but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.
>
>I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening
>kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out
>Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his
>hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again,
>right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman
>again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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13. "she's the female goat. This needs to get resolved."
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14. "Kevin Dunn being investigated for insider trading"
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https://www.bodyslam.net/2022/06/16/kevin-dunn-may-be-guilty-of-insider-trading/

This may be it for that regime.

  

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15. "seems it's been debunked since you posted"
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17. "Yep. Pretty sure I’m 0-2 on that front right now"
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I’m usually pretty conservative when I post information, but that proved too juicy to pass up.

My disdain for that regime, plus the recent allegations blinded me, lol

The Boebert shit may not even be true. I wasn’t sure it was, but should have waited for confirmation. It’s a bad week for me exercising skepticism.

  

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20. "Usually a bad sign if it looks like a geocities website, lol"
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I used to follow the dirt sheets religiously, but there’s so much garbage out there that I just wait for cageside to sum up everything now.

  

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22. "Yep, I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking"
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That was rookie, 2002 shit

  

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25. "RE: Yep, I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking"
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>That was rookie, 2002 shit

Man Cold..don't sweat it. It happens to everyone from time to time. And really, this has been a wild ass year of rasslin.

Some of the realest, most confirmed shit is unbelievable if you give it the 'someone from the future rolls up on you in 2016 and tells you about 2022' test...

TNA still exists and is called Impact. ROH kinda doesn't exist but they have champions who wrestle in random places. AJ Styles is a WWE lifer now. Jim Ross is still announcing. Punter Pat McAfee is a good wrestler AND announcer. Chris Jericho is still wrestling. Jim Cornette is a prominent podcast voice. Even more ridiculous, people are listening to Konnan, Bischoff, and/or Vince Russo. There's New Japan vs some USA company called AEW PPV coming up. Cody Rhodes wrestled Rollins a bunch of times and it was awesome. The last time they wrestled, it was in HIAC and Cody had a gnarly-looking torn pec. Matt Riddle from the indies is over AF and tagging with Randy Orton. RVD is still wrestling and looks pretty good. Its a wild time! Will Ospreay is having banger matches everywhere while Ricochet is in catering (but his gf is a gorgeous announcer lady).

  

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27. "Also, it looks like there may have been insider trading"
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Just maybe not from Kevin Dunn. There was apparently twice as much trading as usual right before this news broke.

Carnies gonna carny.

  

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30. "Yeah I had seen that from another source prior to the Dunn story"
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That's part of what made me confident that the Dunn story would shake out

  

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21. "On a lighter note"
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This is pretty cool insight into how Cody and QT are training people:

https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1537802583414382594

"Sting V Flair GAB is usually the first “tape” study, but because they learn headlock takeovers in the first 5 weeks, this match is a bit more applicable. GREAT bunch of kids here. Only 3 of the 20 had ever seen it before!"

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23. "Vince Steps Down As Chairman And CEO-ESPN"
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Yes, it’s a gimme, but I need any redemption I can get after the Dunn debacle😂

I’m having a hard time swiping on a phone right now, but here’s the link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/34106615/vince-mcmahon-steps-aside-wwe-chairman-ceo-amid-investigation-alleged-hush-money-payment%3fplatform=amp

  

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24. "It's a PR move that doesn't really do anything"
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Bring back Stephanie for optics purposes. Vince still maintains control of the creative. He's appearing on Smackdown in character tonight to explain why he's stepping away, even though that's the forum he's not actually stepping away from.

He'll lay low out of the spotlight, feed Johnny Ace to the wolves, wait for this blow over, then re-assume public control.

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26. "Pretty much."
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>He'll lay low out of the spotlight, feed Johnny Ace to the
>wolves, wait for this blow over, then re-assume public
>control.

There’s a chance the board does a vote of no confidence in him, but I don’t think this will do the trick. If it digs up other stuff, maybe, but there’s already so many stories out there about the guy that’s it’s gonna take a LOT to take him down. And what it really comes down to is the stock has been doing too well.

  

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29. "I think this is the beginning of the end. "
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I think the fact that there are so many stories out there about him are a detriment here, not a plus.

They'll

I think the end run here is, the board will believe that the company will be even more profitable without his baggage.

I think this investigation will reveal much more. I don't think the bar to clear to oust him is going to be terribly high.

  

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31. "It looks like he’s gonna be on Smackdown IN CHARACTER tonight"
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He’s working hard to dig his own grave and I’m still not sure if he’ll end up in it lmaooooo.

  

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32. "RE: It looks like he’s gonna be on Smackdown IN CHARACTER tonight"
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>He’s working hard to dig his own grave and I’m still not
>sure if he’ll end up in it lmaooooo.

HAHA!

It is a skeevy set of circumstances. But you better fucking believe I want to know what he's gonna do or say tonight. He's insane and has been for like forever so I have no damn idea. No matter what, its gonna be wild.

If he jumps off a bridge by trying to make it seem like a work? BONKERS.

If he does a quick 'hat in his hands' style apology, it would be bonkers. IE: 'Even if its without me, this show must go on. Thank you all. I love you.' BONKERS!!

If he does a long ass speech where he apologizes to Linda, the kids, and the fans or whatever, that's gonna be wild cuz we all know he damn near can't talk in front of crowds anymore. BONKERS!!!

  

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33. "there's no way its not a hat in hands apology"
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but im sure they will try to work in some storyline relevance too

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28. "Still in charge of creative"
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34. "Vince is something else man i tell ya"
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this mf came out did the strut to a standing ovation. said "WWE is Then, Now, Forever, Together. Welcome to Smackdown" and bounced w/ the biggest fucking grin on his face.

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35. "RE: Vince is something else man i tell ya"
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>this mf came out did the strut to a standing ovation. said
>"WWE is Then, Now, Forever, Together. Welcome to Smackdown"
>and bounced w/ the biggest fucking grin on his face.

And then they casually booked Brock/Roman again for Summerfest…just in-case anyone wondered if Vince was still in-charge.

  

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36. "I might just stay checked out until the Rumble tbh"
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>And then they casually booked Brock/Roman again for
>Summerfest…just in-case anyone wondered if Vince was still
>in-charge.

At the very least, they need the Money In The Bank winner to spice this up again. If I had a ticket to Summerslam, I’d be pissed.

I do kinda like Last Man Standing matches, but we know how this ends already. It will take 1,000 spears to make Lesnar stay down and Roman will keep doing his shocked face every time he gets up. I’m good.

  

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37. "this shit is TIRED"
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there's no point in even hoping they build up Riddle and Ford they are about to waste the next 6 months floundering around until the Rumble

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38. "RE: this shit is TIRED"
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>there's no point in even hoping they build up Riddle and Ford
>they are about to waste the next 6 months floundering around
>until the Rumble

That crowd last night was INTO THAT MATCH. And Riddle. He had the fire, his shit looked good, and the crowd wanted it to happen. I was excited too honestly. I figured he’d lose. But the match made me hope that he’d win. Now I hope he doesn’t get the Cesaro treatment post Reigns.

And yeah, Brock/Roman again? They’re both excellent for sure but they need to split up and help 2 other people. I guess I’ll hope for a cash-in.

  

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39. "Lesnar/Reigns? Again? "
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That last run was actually pretty dan good, apart from the terrible Rumble/EC Booking of Brock

I like this iteration of Brock’s character

Reigns is rare air right now

They should both be using that momentum to bring other people up at this point, not continuing to feud with each other

  

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40. "Thank God they got Okada"
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Rumor was Okada has a kid on the way, so that’s why he wasn’t scheduled for Forbidden Door, but you really can’t have a crossover show without Okada or Naito. They’re the two biggest names and the two most over NJPW wrestlers in the states.

I wonder if Naito is taking care of some injuries before the G1 starts. Can’t think of any other reason he’d miss this.

LIJ + Darby + Sting is a great team-up, as is the name “Dudes with Attitudes.”

The build to this show has been an absolute mess, but the matches should be good.

  

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41. "Yeah, I'm sure I'm enjoy it, but the build-up has been under-booked..."
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...if anything. There's a reason why the AEW PPVs work better when they're quarterly. I get that NJPW vs. AEW kind of sells itself, but it feels like they tried to cram in too much too fast.

There's waaaaaay too many three-way/four-way/eight-men tag matches than necessary. It's like they're trying to get more of their guys PPV pay-days by squeezing all a lot of names onto the card. The three-way for the tag titles would have been enough, and even then it doesn't **really** need Rapongi Vice (though I get their NJPW history makes it make sense). It also really should just be Hangman vs. Okada, with Omega coming back post-match.

By the way, Sabre Jr. mystery opponent has to be Cesaro, right? If it's going to be a new member of the BCC, he makes the most sense. I guess it could be Gargano, but he hasn't really been a "I'll kick your head in!" type of guy since he was on the indies.

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42. "That’s also sorta New Japan’s style unfortunately"
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>There's waaaaaay too many three-way/four-way/eight-men tag
>matches than necessary. It's like they're trying to get more
>of their guys PPV pay-days by squeezing all a lot of names
>onto the card.

There’s usually a ton of multi-man matches on the undercard that are skippable. They try to cram everyone in on every show, and it gets super boring and repetitive. Then you get to the upper card and midcard matches and it’s awesome stuff.


The three-way for the tag titles would have
>been enough, and even then it doesn't **really** need Rapongi
>Vice (though I get their NJPW history makes it make sense).

Agreed. I like Trent, but Rocky Romero has never done anything for me. They’re the only team that has a foot in both promotions, so I think they could win, but I’d rather see either of the other teams take it.

It
>also really should just be Hangman vs. Okada, with Omega
>coming back post-match.

100%

>
>By the way, Sabre Jr. mystery opponent has to be Cesaro,
>right? If it's going to be a new member of the BCC, he makes
>the most sense. I guess it could be Gargano, but he hasn't
>really been a "I'll kick your head in!" type of guy since he
>was on the indies.

Yeah, it has to be Cesaro. Everything Bryan described fits Cesaro, and I think him vs. ZSJ could be great. If I were them I would’ve announced it ahead of time to up the PPV buys a little, but it’ll be a nice surprise.

  

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43. "RE: That’s also sorta New Japan’s style unfortunately"
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This shit reminds me of Capcom/SNK. And kinda like that, I assume they’re gonna have to do it a couple/few times before they get it super right. But I’m gonna be on-hand for FD this Sunday for damn sure.

If Omega can walk without looking like Iron Shiek, he damn near has to show up and make a ‘im gonna get you one day’ face at someone. I mean, c’mon (B High voice). If he’s outta shape, he can wear a shirt. Or some elaborate getup to try to hide it. Just show the fuck up, Kenneth.

And yeah, some of these matches are gonna be glorious.

I wonder how much the build was screwed by politics and how much of it was ridiculous injuries on AEW’s side fucking stuff up. I imagine arriving at finishers had a fuckton of ‘that’s not gonna work for me, brother’ing going on too. Besides that, AEW isn’t above being scatterbrained even when everyone is available so yeah.

I remember ‘booking shows’ on the n64 games with my crazy collection of CAWs, both real and fake. Even that was a PITA when ‘who is gonna win and how’ wasn’t an issue. I mean sure: I got the easy shit booked fast! Austin vs Goldberg. Sting vs Taker. Onita vs Foley. Vader vs Benoit. Hogan vs Rock. Flair vs Misawa. Muta vs Kawada. Akiyama vs Angle. RVD vs Jeff Hardy. But what main events that show!? Haha!

Im guessing DB’s secret person is gonna be Gresham or Thatcher or someone more random than Cesaro or Johnny Wrestling. Right? Right? I’d be fine with all 4 but Lawd hammercy..if it’s Cesaro, I’m gonna be HAPPY.

>>There's waaaaaay too many three-way/four-way/eight-men tag
>>matches than necessary. It's like they're trying to get more
>>of their guys PPV pay-days by squeezing all a lot of names
>>onto the card.
>
>There’s usually a ton of multi-man matches on the undercard
>that are skippable. They try to cram everyone in on every
>show, and it gets super boring and repetitive. Then you get to
>the upper card and midcard matches and it’s awesome stuff.
>
>
>The three-way for the tag titles would have
>>been enough, and even then it doesn't **really** need
>Rapongi
>>Vice (though I get their NJPW history makes it make sense).
>
>Agreed. I like Trent, but Rocky Romero has never done anything
>for me. They’re the only team that has a foot in both
>promotions, so I think they could win, but I’d rather see
>either of the other teams take it.
>
>It
>>also really should just be Hangman vs. Okada, with Omega
>>coming back post-match.
>
>100%
>
>>
>>By the way, Sabre Jr. mystery opponent has to be Cesaro,
>>right? If it's going to be a new member of the BCC, he makes
>>the most sense. I guess it could be Gargano, but he hasn't
>>really been a "I'll kick your head in!" type of guy since he
>>was on the indies.
>
>Yeah, it has to be Cesaro. Everything Bryan described fits
>Cesaro, and I think him vs. ZSJ could be great. If I were them
>I would’ve announced it ahead of time to up the PPV buys a
>little, but it’ll be a nice surprise.
>

  

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44. "I wonder this as well…"
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>I wonder how much the build was screwed by politics and how
>much of it was ridiculous injuries on AEW’s side fucking
>stuff up. I imagine arriving at finishers had a fuckton of
>‘that’s not gonna work for me, brother’ing going on too.
>Besides that, AEW isn’t above being scatterbrained even when
>everyone is available so yeah.
>

It’s easy to say “Company A and Company B should run a show together.” And then when they actually sit down and map out who they’re okay with losing, it’s a lot tougher.

Now that I’m thinking about it, that’s probably why Ropongi Vice was added to the tag team match. Tony prob. doesn’t want FTR taking the pin, and Cobb and O-Khan are legit heavyweights so they ain’t taking the pin.

Probably a similar story with Okada, Page and White too. I see Cole eating the pin there.

  

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52. "RE: I wonder this as well…"
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>
>>I wonder how much the build was screwed by politics and how
>>much of it was ridiculous injuries on AEW’s side fucking
>>stuff up. I imagine arriving at finishers had a fuckton of
>>‘that’s not gonna work for me, brother’ing going on
>too.
>>Besides that, AEW isn’t above being scatterbrained even
>when
>>everyone is available so yeah.
>>
>
>It’s easy to say “Company A and Company B should run a
>show together.” And then when they actually sit down and map
>out who they’re okay with losing, it’s a lot tougher.
>
>Now that I’m thinking about it, that’s probably why
>Ropongi Vice was added to the tag team match. Tony prob.
>doesn’t want FTR taking the pin, and Cobb and O-Khan are
>legit heavyweights so they ain’t taking the pin.
>
>Probably a similar story with Okada, Page and White too. I see
>Cole eating the pin there.
>

It’s crazy to think: no Naito, Punk, or Danielson and the card still has plenty going on. And Jericho didn’t have to carry a huge match. Instead he can be on the other side of another beautiful Eddie Kingston showing. I love that Kingston is the one on the other end of the JAS shenanigans. It’s kinda perfect for a while as long as Eddie eventually beats them.

But yeah, some of these people are in matches to be the one who can lose. And this world is not built for good ass matches with no finishes at shows like this.

  

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45. "Late pass..Jungle Boy is"
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Luke Perry’s son? I knew Christian was on fire during his all Madden-level ‘why did I turn heel’ promo yesterday. But either I didn’t know or I didn’t remember that about Jungle Boy.

>Its mid-June and here we are:
>
>- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
>- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as
>shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help
>for real again? Aight.
>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.
>- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin
>HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9
>months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble.
>That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be
>WONDERFUL!
>- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at
>least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight?
>Ish?
>- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
>- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
>- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
>- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully
>that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and
>tan up for nothing!
>- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while,
>but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.
>
>I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening
>kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out
>Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his
>hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again,
>right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman
>again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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46. "Christian was the easy highlight of another mess of a show"
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i actually cared for a minute until Luchasaurus came out to spoil it

runner-up highlight was when my wife said Sammy, Jericho, and Conti are what HPV would look like in human form


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47. "RE: Christian was the easy highlight of another mess of a show"
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>i actually cared for a minute until Luchasaurus came out to
>spoil it
>
>runner-up highlight was when my wife said Sammy, Jericho, and
>Conti are what HPV would look like in human form
>
>
>

Christian is a great heel. The stuff people tend to like about him most is going to shine through. And, in general, I'm going to like it when some of the older AEW guys go heel. I'm really waiting for the day when Punk somehow gets everyone pissed at him.

And you know he's gonna end up trying to screw over Lucha. That'll be fun too.

  

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49. "when i say i actually cared, he really had me"
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i could feel the disdain and contempt

i really wish he couldve just said his piece and walked out with all that heat

but i will say i started cracking up when he said he thought of Luchasaurus like a son to him 😂

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48. "He did an MJF promo better than MJF"
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But yeah, that was awesome. And though I know his purpose at least in he short term is to take Jungle Boy to the next level, I hope he stays like this for a while moving forward.

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50. "it was a real life wrestling promo"
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complete with a whole interviewer and i thought this was Schiavone at his best. all those people that just take the mic and do a monologue are cheating themselves. this dude prompted Flair, Cornette, Dusty, JJ Dillon, Gary Hart, etc. he can help them get to where they need to go.

"yeah i did it, because i hate your guts, and youre a loser, and im coming for more so i can get paid"

"what changed?"

"he did"

fucking brilliant. thats everything i need.

and the mom and sister stuff had me rolling with that kind of uncomfortable laughter where you're not really laughing at the act, moreso youre laughing at the idea someone could actually do such a dickheaded move.

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51. "RE: it was a real life wrestling promo"
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>complete with a whole interviewer and i thought this was
>Schiavone at his best. all those people that just take the
>mic and do a monologue are cheating themselves. this dude
>prompted Flair, Cornette, Dusty, JJ Dillon, Gary Hart, etc.
>he can help them get to where they need to go.
>
>"yeah i did it, because i hate your guts, and youre a loser,
>and im coming for more so i can get paid"
>
>"what changed?"
>
>"he did"
>
>fucking brilliant. thats everything i need.
>
>and the mom and sister stuff had me rolling with that kind of
>uncomfortable laughter where you're not really laughing at the
>act, moreso youre laughing at the idea someone could actually
>do such a dickheaded move.

It really was a master class. Tony was on his Mean Gene Jr shit. And Christian is easily good enough to do a 'throw it down, big man' when he gets a good alley.

And to me, that's the value of having the older guys around even if they aren't wrestling every week like people falsely remember the big shit folks doin in 98. A Christian will help a lot of the kids get better..he probably already has. Or at least they'll see what good looks like, the heat it can generate without even having to work, and how it can make these 'good matches' have more stakes to them.

And even better, they'll de-WWE 1999 some of these folks who just vaguely remember The Rock/HHH/Austin showing up and vamping at the beginning of shows for 15 minutes on a regular basis and being over like rover. People have to remember how cool The Rock and Austin were when they were bouncing off of an announcer too. IE: Remember The Rock fucking over Cole and Coach every chance he got? It was wonderful. Even further back, having Mene Gene walk Hogan, Savage, and Heenan throuhg some of their best shit..just good good good. And its probably easier that the 15 minute talking in the ring stuff that we've all been beaten over the head with for 25 years.

  

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61. "hes heating up (c) NBA JAM announcer"
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first of all...that fucking outfit

second of all...motor. city. sweathogs.

hes the most interesting guy in wrestling right now, and its not close.

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53. "Forbidden Door was really good and a whole lot of fun"
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Given the under-booked lead-up, the abundance of three-way/four-way/six man tag matches, and the injuries, I was prepared for an enjoyable card that didn't reach it's potential. But this one both over-delivered and left me feeling that future installments (should they happen) would be even better.

The Chicago crowd was white-hot and REALLY got into things. The matches were well-paced. There was nothing sub-par on the card. And there was a few great matches.

The opener turned out to be amazing and made Umino look amazing. I was worried Dax was fucked during the three-way tag match, but was relieved when he came back. FTR's win should set up another FTR/Bucks rematch for all the marbles at All Out. The four-way for the All-Atlantic title was entertaining on had that awesome ending.

The Dudes With Attitudes vs. Bullet Club was occasionally goofy, but held together by great performances on the Dudes' side. Claudio/Cesaro's entrance went over huge, and the match was great as well (Claudio posing with the masked camera man was a good touch). And Osprey vs. Cassidy might have been the best match of the night, which I did not see coming.

There were only two minor bumps. The end of the IWGP world title match was abrupt as hell, but it seemed to be because Adam Cole got legit banged-up. Seemed like Adam Cole either got a knee injury or a stinger, and was supposed to kick out but didn't (White immediately started talking in the ref's ear after the finish). White was probably slated to win regardless, just not at that point. We didn't get to see a Rainmaker. Or really that much Okada.

And although I liked the Moxley/Tanehashi match itself quite a bit, I don't love how they turned the end of the show into just hyping Blood & Guts on Wednesday. I mean, yes, the PPV can help set-up the TV programming, but this made it like the whole POINT of Forbidden Door was to hype up Wednesday's Dynamite.

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54. "RE: Forbidden Door was really good and a whole lot of fun"
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Yep. A lot of it was really REALLY fun. And yeah, Orange and Ospreay went to town.

And the match order seemed pretty good too. Cesaro/Claudio coming out when he did probably gave the crowd (and me at the house) enough juice to make it through the last two matches after Orange and Ospreay rocked shit.

I hope Cole is okay. Part of me thought he reversed something he was supposed to get hit by and threw everything off. Either that or Jay White came to the rescue fast af once it was clear that Cole was toast. Dude has had a lot of shit thrown on him lately..like he’s the first wrestler ever to not be that big or the first guy to be up and down the card ever.

This is a good a time as any to praise Orange Cassidy for getting that he needed to fucking wrestle in the spot he was in. And he did it because he can. And he has before, which somehow gets lost in the mix when the old man pods and blog decide to hang a bunch of their hatred onto him…like he’s the first wrestler with some comedy in his shit..like Flair wasn’t regularly hilarious in and out of the ring ON PURPOSE. And don’t start me on a slew of the WWF midcard heels in the 80s. Anyway, Orange put his body on the line and was almost toe to toe with a known king shit wrestler. Shows like this get validated when matches like that ‘over-deliver’. Even with me, I thought it would be at least pretty good but wow.

And yes yes yes! Imagine if NJPW and AEW can keep their politics together long enough to do 4 or 5 if these shows. Hell, let’s say they do even 2 more. And they manage to get lucky enough to have more healthy people. And they don’t have to put an obvious sacrificial lamb into a couple of big matches. How fucking good can these shows get? It’s scary to think about.

>Given the under-booked lead-up, the abundance of
>three-way/four-way/six man tag matches, and the injuries, I
>was prepared for an enjoyable card that didn't reach it's
>potential. But this one both over-delivered and left me
>feeling that future installments (should they happen) would be
>even better.
>
>The Chicago crowd was white-hot and REALLY got into things.
>The matches were well-paced. There was nothing sub-par on the
>card. And there was a few great matches.
>
>The opener turned out to be amazing and made Umino look
>amazing. I was worried Dax was fucked during the three-way tag
>match, but was relieved when he came back. FTR's win should
>set up another FTR/Bucks rematch for all the marbles at All
>Out. The four-way for the All-Atlantic title was entertaining
>on had that awesome ending.
>
>The Dudes With Attitudes vs. Bullet Club was occasionally
>goofy, but held together by great performances on the Dudes'
>side. Claudio/Cesaro's entrance went over huge, and the match
>was great as well (Claudio posing with the masked camera man
>was a good touch). And Osprey vs. Cassidy might have been the
>best match of the night, which I did not see coming.
>
>There were only two minor bumps. The end of the IWGP world
>title match was abrupt as hell, but it seemed to be because
>Adam Cole got legit banged-up. Seemed like Adam Cole either
>got a knee injury or a stinger, and was supposed to kick out
>but didn't (White immediately started talking in the ref's ear
>after the finish). White was probably slated to win
>regardless, just not at that point. We didn't get to see a
>Rainmaker. Or really that much Okada.
>
>And although I liked the Moxley/Tanehashi match itself quite a
>bit, I don't love how they turned the end of the show into
>just hyping Blood & Guts on Wednesday. I mean, yes, the PPV
>can help set-up the TV programming, but this made it like the
>whole POINT of Forbidden Door was to hype up Wednesday's
>Dynamite.
>
>Overall, I was thoroughly entertained. Glad they made it
>work.

  

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55. "Orange has said in the past "I could be a regular old indie dude"
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who throws a cool moonsault, but there were other people doing moonsaults better than me." He has the basics down, which is why he can do the other outlandish shit.

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58. "that dude could be a Jeff Hardy type star with a better gimmick"
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not even a "better" gimmick per se, just an authentic presentation

Orange Cassidy could be Jeff Hardy or Rey Mysterio if they'd present him like a professional with actual human emotions.

He needs an edge. I hate that gimmick with my whole heart.

  

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60. "Dude's getting fantastic reactions and not killing himself every week."
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I think he's good working "Sloth Style" and doing his thing.

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56. "Was there live, the show was great"
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Crowd stayed hot the whole night, probably one of the most fun crowds I've been in.

Despite the injuries and card changes they really put on a hell of a show and hopefully they'll do another one next year to include the people left off of this one.

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57. "RE: Was there live, the show was great"
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>Crowd stayed hot the whole night, probably one of the most
>fun crowds I've been in.
>
>Despite the injuries and card changes they really put on a
>hell of a show and hopefully they'll do another one next year
>to include the people left off of this one.

NOOICE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfq55aiqPc

You guys sounds excited for a big chunk of the night. It was clear I headed towards a good night when the crowd was obviously loud for more than one of the preshow matches. And it was also cool that the crowd showed up for a big part of the preshow. I was pointing out to my daughter how full the crowd was during the Swerve/Keef match.

And yeah, I keep saying/typing this: this was a good show and it was obviously chaotic to get together with the injuries, match planning, and booking. If they do 3 or so of these, they'll likely end up being lucky/good enough to end up with a ridiculously good show in the bunch. And hell, this one was close.

  

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59. "I hope they continue to do these once a year"
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I was completely exhausted when this was over, in a good way. That means things kept me hype enough throughout the event that there was never a moment where I was bored. I didn't get up from my seat a single time, that says something.

This also speaks on their roster. You hear a lot about how the AEW roster is too bloated. I think that bloat ended up being a good thing for them seeing as how many big injuries we had or other reasons people couldn't perform during this show. They could just slide someone else in there and it worked. That Will Osperey match possibly turned out better than it would have if they would have went with Andrade like originally planned.

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62. "im so glad i didnt waste money on a ticket to this"
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Moxley and Jericho just cant help themselves. everything Moxley touches turns to backyard trash, and everything Jericho touches is aimed at people who think wrestling is something to be ridiculed.

i couldn't even finish it. when jericho came into the war games with a fucking hat on that was it for me.

these people are bringing tables, broken glass, chairs, etc etc and combined has less of an impact than Sid Vicious powerbombing Brian Pillman a second time or Medusa climbing the cage to slip a cell phone in or Scott Steiner simply entering the cage to even the odds.

at least they couldnt actually name this abortion "War Games"

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63. "UGH, I was right there - it was a disaster"
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I cant imagine what it looked like on TV.

I think 25% (unless IM a mark) of the guys in the match got hurt. Brilliant.

Eddie is fucking over tho.

Kahn is a maniac.

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65. "until proven otherwise, he's a trust fund kid with a wrestling hobby"
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>
>Kahn is a maniac.
>

and NOT a guy with a great wrestling acumen

it's fair to wonder the shape AEW would be in if Danielson hadn't gotten bored in WWE and Punk didn't need the money. Khan didn't create the circumstances that brought those guys to AEW but he at least had the resources to recruit them. And even still, look what he's done with Danielson.

Danielson and Punk created a massive wave of excitement and momentum that's all but extinguished now. Both stars are injured, the Young Bucks get more TV time than FTR (maybe the best in-ring guys in the world), and MJF is absent. The show is a bigger clusterfuck than its ever been.

  

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66. "He basically said as much last night"
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RE: until proven otherwise, he's a trust fund kid with a wrestling hobby

My dad funded all this and he somehow tried to pander to the audience and make some Michigan connection.


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69. "more than that, i think hes actively an idiot"
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to consume as much wrestling media as he proclaims, yet not actually learn anything, requires an incredible combination of density and overconfidence that rubs up against Dunning-Kruger

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74. "he made Punk wrestle every week. Now he's toast before his big run."
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he's a fool.

  

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68. "it mostly just looked silly"
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too over the top to convey danger, even tho they were doing needlessly dangerous things

re: Kingston - i saw the end this morning and it registered for me on a way i didnt like. hes being a bitch because someone else on his team earned the tap? that makes him seem like a loser, and theres now yet another person he has beef with from back in the day?

moxley, then punk, now cesaro. kinda seems like HE might be the asshole.

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70. "I mean, that's the story."
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>moxley, then punk, now cesaro. kinda seems like HE might be
>the asshole.

He runs his mouth, gets into a situation that is too deep for him to handle alone, then needs to call on whoever he hasn't pushed away and can get to help him.

There's also the thread of him never getting the big win, having Jericho in position to finally get that win, and in the process of running interference, Claudio - the guy that Eddie has long-standing beef with dating back damn near 20 years (I thought it was just Chikara but dudes had their first match against each other in 04), and the guy whose career post-Chikara went in a wildly different direction than Eddie's - gets the tap instead.

AND YES, I know some of that relies on AEW's worst impulse, which is assuming that people know whomst everyone is. But leaving those easter eggs in adds to the story for long-term fans, while the surface level, as you said, tells a decent story. It's not quite Owen turning on Bret because this is following a victory. But it's a good story.

I get that everyone wants to like Eddie because he came out of seemingly nowhere and blew Cody out of the water in a promo segment, but the man does vicious better than anyone and he'd be a bust-ass heel at a time that they need someone on camera to do that work in a believable fashion (i.e. not "assembling a gang of Sports Entertainers" to do goddamn James Mitchell spots in the year of our lord 2022). Yeah, maybe they could have set that up at Blood and Guts if it didn't immediately follow Forbidden Door, but the seeds are planted now. And honestly, thinking about Eddie as the true Mad King, and becoming a ruthless cheating sadistic heel that fucks over Mox to get the interim belt, maybe even setting up him vs. Punk for the right to be called the "real" champion? Shit even if they accidentally got there I want to see it.

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71. "no one wants that story tho"
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they want their scrappy underdog who overcame a stacked deck to reach heights he wasnt supposed to reach

the story you convey is 3 long paragraphs, the story i convey is one sentence

we have just crystallized the problem woth AEW booking into its purest form

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72. "RE: no one wants that story tho"
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>they want their scrappy underdog who overcame a stacked deck
>to reach heights he wasnt supposed to reach
>
>the story you convey is 3 long paragraphs, the story i convey
>is one sentence

Here let me streamline it: The guy who talks too much but can't win the big one just had his big moment stolen.

>we have just crystallized the problem woth AEW booking into
>its purest form

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73. "he already beat Jericho clean in a singles match, so..."
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64. "Jericho is going out like Morrisey or Kanye, albeit less offensive"
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he's on a total hack parade

  

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67. "Y'all listening to this Regal podcast?"
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I'm listening to the most recent ep, about Takeover 1, and the knowledge he's dropping is INCREDIBLE.

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75. "didn't even know it existed but glad I do now"
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only wrestling podcast I listen to is Cornette, mostly because like me he thinks just about everything blows

  

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76. "It's only a couple of weeks deep."
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And he is VERY much the opposite of Corny. Probably in part because he's still actively touring, and he also has a lot more time for the comedy workers.

The bit that blew my mind is that the "Golden era" of NXT - 36 whole-ass Takeovers - was only like 8 years. Becky Lynch was a fucking ROSEBUD in the first Takeover. Not even Irish Jiggin' Fun Lovin' Becky!

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77. "Gonna check this out"
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>And he is VERY much the opposite of Corny.

Especially because of this.

Sounds like a good podcast.

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82. "RE: Y'all listening to this Regal podcast?"
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>I'm listening to the most recent ep, about Takeover 1, and
>the knowledge he's dropping is INCREDIBLE.

Yep. I've started out on these pods. I really enjoy them so far. He needs to get the pace of speech tightened up a little bit (seems kinda slow now), but the info and insight is wonderful. And, at least from what I've heard so far, he's doing a good job of sounding like a reasonable human being who can be both constructively negative and positive. AKA he doesn't sound like a shill who loves everything cuz he's managing relationships or a 'hate on stuff for clicks/views'. I'll take it!

  

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85. "It's more in the vein of the Arn pod"
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where it's "here's a topic/time in your career let's roll with it" and Regal just goes where his mind takes him. The story about the Spring Stampede car wreck was absolutely crazy.

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92. "It IS crazy"
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>where it's "here's a topic/time in your career let's roll
>with it" and Regal just goes where his mind takes him. The
>story about the Spring Stampede car wreck was absolutely
>crazy.

This is gold.

I worry about how much this dude has seen that he won’t speak on. He was around during a very wild time.

  

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102. "Thanks again for this"
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>I'm listening to the most recent ep, about Takeover 1, and
>the knowledge he's dropping is INCREDIBLE.

Dude has me looking a people’s pins now! Haha.

  

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128. "YEP. I noticed big time that Orange Cassidy does an excellent pin."
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Which shouldn't be too surprising considering he was using an outside cradle as his finisher on the indies. But watch this segment with Nese. Every pin attempt is TIGHT. He looks like he's trying to keep the dude down. Which for a dude whose whole gimmick is "HE MIGHT TRY" is pretty remarkable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJTEgfUQuM.

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130. "RE: YEP. I noticed big time that Orange Cassidy does an excellent pin."
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>Which shouldn't be too surprising considering he was using an
>outside cradle as his finisher on the indies. But watch this
>segment with Nese. Every pin attempt is TIGHT. He looks like
>he's trying to keep the dude down. Which for a dude whose
>whole gimmick is "HE MIGHT TRY" is pretty remarkable.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJTEgfUQuM.

Not only that! It seemed like his pins got better as the match went on..like he was doing it on purpose to build up to the eventual successful pin.

I don't know what made me key in on those pins in THAT match specifically. It was like my brain told me to do it. And it wasn't the first match I saw after listening to Regal go on and on about pins! Haha.

But yeah..it is getting to be kinda old news to say it, but Orange can somewhat obviously work a rock solid match. And now that they've tightened up his gimmick/took him away from some of his more house show tendencies, the people still griping about him are generally the ones who have been trained to do it by the bad faith takes posse.

On that, I'm embarrassed about Cornette right now cuz it seems like he's drifting fully into 'hating on stuff for clicks cuz people love not liking stuff' territory. It is such a waste of his range and potential. The last thing of his I tried recently featured him and BL complaining about match results. ON A SHOW THAT THEY DIDN'T FUCKING WATCH. I closed the app and haven't bothered with those folks since.

Regal tho? Yeah, I'm all up on these Regal pods now. I'm amped for him talking about his match with CeClaudio.

  

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132. "Prolly because people like to call out OC "
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>I don't know what made me key in on those pins in THAT match
>specifically. It was like my brain told me to do it. And it
>wasn't the first match I saw after listening to Regal go on
>and on about pins! Haha.

Because he supposedly "makes a mockery of the business." When most of the spots he mocks are themselves kinda silly (yes, Bryan, I'm looking at the damn Yes kicks). But the fundamentals are always there.

>
>But yeah..it is getting to be kinda old news to say it, but
>Orange can somewhat obviously work a rock solid match. And now
>that they've tightened up his gimmick/took him away from some
>of his more house show tendencies, the people still griping
>about him are generally the ones who have been trained to do
>it by the bad faith takes posse.
>
>On that, I'm embarrassed about Cornette right now cuz it seems
>like he's drifting fully into 'hating on stuff for clicks cuz
>people love not liking stuff' territory. It is such a waste of
>his range and potential. The last thing of his I tried
>recently featured him and BL complaining about match results.
>ON A SHOW THAT THEY DIDN'T FUCKING WATCH. I closed the app and
>haven't bothered with those folks since.


His auto-skip policy on Cassidy (and now Danhausen) just so completely tells on him. Which is a shame because he does have some good ideas about how to make wrestling work. But he's working himself into a shoot (big surprise) because the rants are what drive up his views on YouTube and keep the Stephen P. New dollars coming in.

>Regal tho? Yeah, I'm all up on these Regal pods now. I'm amped
>for him talking about his match with CeClaudio.

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145. "I had to put on the YouTube version"
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>Regal tho? Yeah, I'm all up on these Regal pods now. I'm amped
>for him talking about his match with CeClaudio.

SO GODDAMN GOOD.

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133. "Thanks, this is great!"
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Definitely jumps around all over the place, which takes some getting used to, but man, the knowledge he’s spilling is awesome.

It continues to astonish me that WWE let him go. With NXT focusing on recruiting athletes to become wrestlers, you’d think a guy like Regal would become MORE valuable to them. Even if ya want to take him off the air just to shake things up, pay him a bunch to stay in the performance center and give that knowledge to the next generation!

  

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142. "RE: Thanks, this is great!"
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>Definitely jumps around all over the place, which takes some
>getting used to, but man, the knowledge he’s spilling is
>awesome.
>
> It continues to astonish me that WWE let him go. With NXT
>focusing on recruiting athletes to become wrestlers, you’d
>think a guy like Regal would become MORE valuable to them.
>Even if ya want to take him off the air just to shake things
>up, pay him a bunch to stay in the performance center and give
>that knowledge to the next generation!

From listening to the pod, I get the impression that he's still not totally healthy. I can't imagine that PC gig is one you can continuously do if you're not 'right'.

Now, a pod? Okay, that's obviously much more doable. And even the AEW travel schedule seems very doable too?

  

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143. "True, it does seem to take him a second to put together his sentences"
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>
>From listening to the pod, I get the impression that he's
>still not totally healthy. I can't imagine that PC gig is one
>you can continuously do if you're not 'right'.

Maybe doing that every day would be too much of a grind, but even if they just brought him in a couple days a week to help trainees tighten things up and focus their promos, that seems worth it to me, but hey, what do I know?

  

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78. "Maximum Male Models has huge "so bad its good" potential"
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that whole segment had me rolling

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79. "I haven't laughed at wwe tv like that in a long ass time"
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Then there's a legit website. LMAO

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80. "RE: I haven't laughed at wwe tv like that in a long ass time"
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>Then there's a legit website. LMAO
>
>www.maximummalemodels.com

They need to get Rick Martel on the phone post-haste.

  

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81. "Eli Drake could get over for real if they let him"
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like...for real for real.

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84. "I still think of that LOOSE Christmas promo he cut on NWA"
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"See this jacket? SHOES OF A CHAMPION!!"

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86. "that first season of NWA was awesome"
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i fell out when covid disrupted everything, but that was where i first saw Starks, Eli Drake, Eddie Kingston, Nick Aldis, Thunder Rosa, etc

When Rosa Kingston and Starks showed up that summer it really injected some much needed life into AEW and I was sure Eli Drake had to be just around the corner. when he signed with NXT i was super bummed, bc i knew what was in store for him.

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83. "WWE young folks"
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They appear to be making moves with some people. Liv, Theory, Montez Ford are the most clear ones. The challenge is always the same: how long is too long? How fast is too fast?

And the 'who in the hell is gonna beat Reigns?' is still a question. I wonder if they'll get at least 1 of the belts off of him via shenanigans before end of the year? Or will they let this Bruno/Backlund type reign go on until they feel like they have THE person ready to take him down...at least temporarily. Right now, THE person is Cody (right?) but I wonder if they'll sack up and do it as soon as he's ready...

Until further notice, I'm guessing he gets the holy shit Royal Rumble return and win and then challenges Big Uce (Sami Zayn is wonderful) at Mania.

>Its mid-June and here we are:
>
>- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
>- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as
>shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help
>for real again? Aight.
>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.
>- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin
>HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9
>months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble.
>That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be
>WONDERFUL!
>- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at
>least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight?
>Ish?
>- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
>- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
>- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
>- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully
>that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and
>tan up for nothing!
>- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while,
>but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.
>
>I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening
>kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out
>Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his
>hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again,
>right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman
>again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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87. "ill never stop beating this drum...2POINT0 is being completely wasted"
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88. "Dude, this is the best they've had it since leaving the indie scene"
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They were all but after-thoughts in WWE/NXT. They spent their first months in AEW fighting Moxley, Kingston, and Darby damn near weekly. They're in one of the biggest "factions" in AEW, and have been prominently featured in a couple of center-piece matches. In the mainstream, they've never had it this good.

I like their work too. And right now they're playing their "role" very well: mid-term tag team guys who can work their asses off and make other guys look good. Now that (presumably) JAS vs. Kingston is done, they can move on to other stuff. And hopefully when FTR wins the belts at All Out, they can get to work a few matches with them.

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89. "to me its a major "yes, but" as long as they are in Jerichos creative"
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>They were all but after-thoughts in WWE/NXT. They spent their
>first months in AEW fighting Moxley, Kingston, and Darby damn
>near weekly.

they were kinda just props tho. and it was obvious from the jump they could be more.

>They're in one of the biggest "factions" in AEW,
>and have been prominently featured in a couple of center-piece
>matches. In the mainstream, they've never had it this good.

an alternate view is that they have been background players in unnecessary "entertainment spectacles" that didnt do as much for them as winning 5 basic tag team matches on TV in the last few months would have.

>I like their work too. And right now they're playing their
>"role" very well: mid-term tag team guys who can work their
>asses off and make other guys look good. Now that (presumably)
>JAS vs. Kingston is done, they can move on to other stuff. And
>hopefully when FTR wins the belts at All Out, they can get to
>work a few matches with them.

they are, but im saying that i dont think thats the appropriate role. they should be one of the tag teams that someone else makes look good.

and i think the important question to ask about them, just like it was about FTR 3 months ago, is whether or not they *need* to do what theyve been doing to get somewhere else. if the answer is "no", and i believe it is, then its just wasting time to have them do it. the idea that the core fanbase will accept someone doing nothing and then later accept the prompts that they matter all of the sudden is a trap.

so yes, they have more prominence now than they ever had, but for what? to get their names changed and participate in Jericho's foolishness? the kind of foolishness i couldnt even finish on TV and ceej was mad he spent money on? to me thats wasteful.

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90. "The counter is "there are only so many spots""
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>and i think the important question to ask about them, just
>like it was about FTR 3 months ago, is whether or not they
>*need* to do what theyve been doing to get somewhere else. if
>the answer is "no", and i believe it is, then its just wasting
>time to have them do it. the idea that the core fanbase will
>accept someone doing nothing and then later accept the prompts
>that they matter all of the sudden is a trap.

So right now in that division, you have the Bucks, FTR, Lucha Bros, some configuration of BCC, 2.0, until very recently Jurassic Express, Hobbs and Starks, Keith and Swerve, The Ass Boys, The Acclaimed, some configuration of JAS, Best Friends, Dark Order. And then there are the definite job teams (which let's be real the Friends and Order are). Something's got to give.

Regal was talking on his podcast about the WCW (pre-NWO days) tag division that had the Bluebloods, Slater and Buck, Harlem Heat and the Nasty Boys (I think he's also leaving out the Hollywood Blondes and the Horsemen in that reckoning). And the Bloods were the only ones who didn't get the tag titles of their core group. But they were on TV week in, week out. They were important, and if at any point they got the belts it wouldn't have been outlandish.

So yes, they're a second-tier tag team in AEW that can go on a run at any time in the near future and contend once they're done telling this Bucks/FTR story. They've been in high-profile (if kinda stupid) matches by being in Jericho's orbit and that, honestly, has helped them get to that point.

>so yes, they have more prominence now than they ever had, but
>for what? to get their names changed and participate in
>Jericho's foolishness? the kind of foolishness i couldnt even
>finish on TV and ceej was mad he spent money on? to me thats
>wasteful.

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91. "AND I forgot House of Black and REDragon"
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100. "most of those teams suck"
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FTR
The Acclaimed
Swerve and Lee

Ass Boys
2point0
Hobbs and Starks
ReDRagon

thats the list

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101. "You just named almost all of the teams he named lol"
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>
>FTR
>The Acclaimed
>Swerve and Lee
>
>Ass Boys
>2point0
>Hobbs and Starks
>ReDRagon
>
>thats the list

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103. "no i didnt"
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Bucks, Lucha Bros, JE, Dark Order, JAS members, House pf Black, Best Friends all appeared in his post

i cut his list in half

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104. "You can SAY the Bucks and Lucha Bros aren't top-tier teams in AEW"
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But you'd be lying. And I don't even like the Bucks like that.

Also, JE were the tag champs until right before their split three weeks ago. So yes, RIGHT TODAY they're not in Santana and Ortiz's way. But they were for much of the winter and spring.

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105. "the "top tier teams" are whoever one guy says they are"
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the seven teams i named are the teams that have the ability to get over in ways that the Bucks and Lucha Bros have failed at for 3 years and counting. they have been pushed and pushed and pushed as being the best there is, and theyve never recaptured their debut audience.

and if we're being honest, even the fans left in the test tube after the potential fans have been centrifuged away are bored with them, and the reactions they are getting are really obvious.

this was a case study for wrestling purely as an exhibition of athletic choreography, and its topped out. theres nowhere else for it to go when you cant talk and cant make it feel real. so they can exist at the top of the card, but its because their biggest fan is the boss, not because they are building an expanding fanbase.

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106. "That's fine, but you wanted to know why 2.0 were floating around JAS"
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And it's because there are a LOT of tag teams that regularly get TV time, and the Bucks aren't working them yet. And AEW is pretty decent at keeping guys and teams that are technically in the midcard churning without being turned into jokes. So when FTR gets the go-ahead, it's not a Jinder Mahal situation where your suspension of disbelief gets completely abandoned.

And much though I dislike what Jericho's doing right now, being in the JAS/BCC or Jericho/Kingston storyline is the best place for a team to be in if they're *NOT* going to be in a title feud.

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109. "thats not an answer tho"
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>And it's because there are a LOT of tag teams that regularly
>get TV time, and the Bucks aren't working them yet. And AEW is
>pretty decent at keeping guys and teams that are technically
>in the midcard churning without being turned into jokes. So
>when FTR gets the go-ahead, it's not a Jinder Mahal situation
>where your suspension of disbelief gets completely abandonetd

i dont understand why the TV time being apportioned the way it is. teams that can draw ppl in are not getting the booking that the other teams are. and after 3 years of bouncing around within a very narrow range, thats confusing and wasteful.

>And much though I dislike what Jericho's doing right now,
>being in the JAS/BCC or Jericho/Kingston storyline is the best
>place for a team to be in if they're *NOT* going to be in a
>title feud.

i dont accept that. nobody has been better off after fucking around with Jericho than they were before other than Jericho himself. hes like a vampire who needs to bounce from hot opponent to hot opponent so that he doesnt dry out and crumble away.

the best place to be is winning 6 minute TV matches and cutting promos.

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113. "It's just an answer you don't like."
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>>the best place to be is winning 6 minute TV matches and cutting promos.

Or, y'know, pencilled into main event/semi-main slots in the card, but yeah sure. They could just be pounding jobbers instead.

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115. "no, its really not lol"
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to ask "why isnt X being used?" and to get a response of "because something else is being used" is just repeating the condition that led to the question in the first place

clearly *something* is being used, and its not necessary to repeat that.

and yes, they could. wardlow is the hottest face in the company on the back of beating the holy hell put of jobbers for 2 months.

nobody gives a shit about the 12 man car crashes. its empty calories. the vignette Matt Lee did after the fucking match was more impactful than both of those shitshows combined.

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122. "i mean I thought Wardlow was over because he was paired with a hot heel"
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And ran through everyone to get to him but if you think it was just the squashing fools and not the story to get there then cool.

2.0 are being used for these Jericho stories. They were in the IC then got kicked out. They wrestled a grip of very high-profile matches and they’re in a position now where if shenanigans mean FTR don’t beat the Bucks, it wouldn’t be outlandish for them to build toward the Bucks. But for right now, they have a place. It’s a very prominent one. I’m sorry you aren’t enjoying them but they have a regular spot that they could launch from when it’s time to turn to them.

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107. "These 2 teams had arguably the match of the year in 2021"
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>the seven teams i named are the teams that have the ability
>to get over in ways that the Bucks and Lucha Bros have failed
>at for 3 years and counting.

And people went nuts for it. Both of these teams are really over. I really don’t know what you’re watching that would suggest 2.0 is more over than either of them (no disrespect to 2.0, love them too).

Like Magilla, I’m not the biggest Bucks fan, but their detractors go way too far and dismiss them outright. I totally get why they’re not everyone’s cup of tea, sometimes they’re not mine either, but their talent is undeniable and they have a big fanbase.

  

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108. "...the cage match???"
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the one with the superkick carousel and the thumbtack shoes? THESE fans were into it, but thats not an argument against what im saying. as a certain someone says "for the kind of people that like that sort of thing, thats the sort of thing that they like". im talking about getting hot and expanding. not super serving the people that clearly wont *ever* stop watching.


>And people went nuts for it. Both of these teams are really
>over. I really don’t know what you’re watching that would
>suggest 2.0 is more over than either of them (no disrespect to
>2.0, love them too).

im talking about how over they *could* be, because their verbal abilities are so clearly at a much higher level.

>Like Magilla, I’m not the biggest Bucks fan, but their
>detractors go way too far and dismiss them outright. I totally
>get why they’re not everyone’s cup of tea, sometimes
>they’re not mine either, but their talent is undeniable and
>they have a big fanbase.

their fanbase is what it is, and in the grand scheme of things isnt that big. theyve been the faces of a company that has failed to retain their day one audience over the last 3 years. that means something, and its not complimentary.

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111. "Yes, that INCREDIBLE tag team match"
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I mean AEW absolutely could be doing better with casual fans, but you seem to just lay that at the feet of whoever you don’t like with little evidence. The Bucks easily have the biggest fanbase out of any of the tag teams named outside of the Hardys (oof) and maybe FTR now, but those fans can be discounted just cause you don’t like this team?

>im talking about how over they *could* be, because their
>verbal abilities are so clearly at a much higher level.

Fair, but again, you’re discounting how over certain teams are currently just cause you personally don’t like them. Will the Bucks ever be New Day over? No, but that doesn’t mean they should be dismissed.

>their fanbase is what it is, and in the grand scheme of things
>isnt that big. theyve been the faces of a company that has
>failed to retain their day one audience over the last 3 years.
> that means something, and its not complimentary.

Huh? The show has more viewers now than it did in the first year.

  

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116. "id call it silly and fake, but different strokes i guess."
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>I mean AEW absolutely could be doing better with casual fans,
>but you seem to just lay that at the feet of whoever you
>don’t like with little evidence. The Bucks easily have the
>biggest fanbase out of any of the tag teams named outside of
>the Hardys (oof) and maybe FTR now, but those fans can be
>discounted just cause you don’t like this team?

thats not accurate at all. the young bucks have been the 2nd most prominently featured act in the company over the last 3 years. when youre in that position youre expected to bear the responsibility that comes with it. i could name a laundry list of people i dont like, but Private Party doesnt have the responsibility of carrying the business so i dont blame them for the business topping out.

also, thats kind of a circular argument to make when my main assertion is that the company isnt featuring the teams that could attract a larger fanbase than the one the Bucks currently have.

>Fair, but again, you’re discounting how over certain teams
>are currently just cause you personally don’t like them.
>Will the Bucks ever be New Day over? No, but that doesn’t
>mean they should be dismissed.

im acknowledging that they have somewhere between 500k-800k dedicated fans. there are more than 800k people (+/-300k) in America that would watch this show if it were better.

>Huh? The show has more viewers now than it did in the first
>year.

but not more than they did on the first day.

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120. "RE: id call it silly and fake, but different strokes i guess."
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>thats not accurate at all. the young bucks have been the 2nd
>most prominently featured act in the company over the last 3
>years. when youre in that position youre expected to bear the
>responsibility that comes with it.

For sure, but your hatred of them is still blinding you from what they bring to the table.

>
>also, thats kind of a circular argument to make when my main
>assertion is that the company isnt featuring the teams that
>could attract a larger fanbase than the one the Bucks
>currently have.

But your argument is circular in that you can assume Teams X, Y, and Z would attract a larger audience but you never have to prove it by any metric. And as much as I’m not a fan of the Bucks becoming the first 2x champs, it’s serving a purpose, which is to put a babyface FTR over huge in the near future. I mean, don’t forget that the diehard Elite fans that they’re supposedly catering to were once mad that it took so long to put the belts on Kenny and the Bucks.

>>Huh? The show has more viewers now than it did in the first
>>year.
>
>but not more than they did on the first day.

Lol, oh you mean the ACTUAL first day? What a weird thing to cherry pick when their ratings are doing well. Yes, hundreds of thousands of WWE fans or random folks probably tuned in on Week 1 out of curiosity and never came back. So what? Doesn’t that happen with tv shows in general?

  

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93. "Something I’ll never understand…"
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They literally merged

Inner Circle

with

2.0

and yet didn’t call the faction

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99. "I figure their situation is sorta analogous to The Acclaimed"
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Except, you know, they were sort of a known quantity before they got to AEW.

The Acclaimed did their jobs, got REALLY popular, and now they've made their inevitable face turn and has the fans pulling for them.

I can very easily see them flipping the switch with 2.0 not too far down the road. They'll start beating guys and very much be in the mix for the titles.

>they were kinda just props tho. and it was obvious from the
>jump they could be more.

True. But, you know, crowded division which is now only less crowded because of break ups and injuries.

>and i think the important question to ask about them, just
>like it was about FTR 3 months ago, is whether or not they
>*need* to do what theyve been doing to get somewhere else. if
>the answer is "no", and i believe it is, then its just wasting
>time to have them do it. the idea that the core fanbase will
>accept someone doing nothing and then later accept the prompts
>that they matter all of the sudden is a trap.

Eh, like I said, it seems to have worked with the Acclaimed.

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110. "The Acclaimed survived it, but are they more popular because of it?"
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if they survived doing jobs for the last year+, what could they be if they hadnt?

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112. "If they had gotten a push before they were ready, they’d be worse off"
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>if they survived doing jobs for the last year+, what could
>they be if they hadnt?

They didn’t “survive doing jobs.” They we’re on tv consistently and allowed to get over organically by entertaining people. Now they’re super hot and they’re getting their push. I don’t give Tony a ton of credit for things, but this was the plan all along and it worked. They didn’t get over accidentally.

  

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114. "See "Reeves, Ryan" and "Strowman, Braun""
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118. "i feel like Randle McMurphy right now"
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youre comparing a big goof who cant talk like Braun Strowman to Max Caster?

what in the actual fuck lmao

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127. "Strowman didn't get the chance to develop his promo"
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because he went from silent goon in a black sheep mask to feuding with fucking Reigns. And most of the build for that feud was feats of strength shit. Caster may have had a head start in being naturally gifted on the mic, but he's also had the chance to develop further gradually while he and Bowens each healed up from injuries and they worked their way up the card. Caster is 32. Bowens 31. They have time to percolate, and their careers are going to be better from the previous six months of "being buried" than if they had been rocketed right to a title program.

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117. "whats "ready" in this context?"
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and of course they didnt get over accidentally. its not like someone spilled a glass of charisma on them. what does that even mean?

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119. "Ready = looking like a tag team that can credibly challenge for the titl..."
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If they had been pushed to the moon from the start, people would’ve been pissed that they took precedence over some very experienced and accomplished tag teams. Now that the audience has seen them grow and make us laugh for a couple years, they’re ready for a top spot.

>and of course they didnt get over accidentally. its not like
>someone spilled a glass of charisma on them. what does that
>even mean?

You seem to think they got over in spite of being buried by TK, but if they were being buried by TK, we wouldn’t be seeing them on Dynamite. He knew that he had a lot of potential in this team, so he put them out there to entertain people knowing that we wouldn’t care how many Ls they take in the meantime. Again, I don’t give TK credit for very much, but he’s done very well in booking The Acclaimed. It’s easily one of the best things he’s done.

  

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121. "Bowens is just finally healthy again. theyre about to get the push"
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123. "i think in general TK’s been good at keeping the midcard/upper midcard..."
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125. "they dont look like anything like credible contenders"
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they look like bumbling losers, because they dont win. this line of thinking is so dirtsheet immersed that its completely lost touch with the way that non-smarks watch wrestling. you look like credible title contenders by winning.

>If they had been pushed to the moon from the start, people
>would’ve been pissed that they took precedence over some
>very experienced and accomplished tag teams. Now that the
>audience has seen them grow and make us laugh for a couple
>years, they’re ready for a top spot.

since when is winning a few "get-over" matches a month and cutting promos a "push to the moon? thats such an odd binary premise.


>You seem to think they got over in spite of being buried by
>TK, but if they were being buried by TK, we wouldn’t be
>seeing them on Dynamite. He knew that he had a lot of
>potential in this team, so he put them out there to entertain
>people knowing that we wouldn’t care how many Ls they take
>in the meantime. Again, I don’t give TK credit for very
>much, but he’s done very well in booking The Acclaimed.
>It’s easily one of the best things he’s done.

they didnt get over in spite of being actively buried, they got over in spite of being booked by someone who doesnt know what hes doing.

and like i said, the 800k newsletter readers dont care how much they lose, but thats insular and out of touch with a pop culture audience.

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129. "They’re over af. That’s what makes them credible."
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>they look like bumbling losers, because they dont win. this
>line of thinking is so dirtsheet immersed that its completely
>lost touch with the way that non-smarks watch wrestling. you
>look like credible title contenders by winning.

What are you even talking about? Dirtsheet immersed? I’m watching the product and seeing the reaction they get from live crowds. THAT’S what I’m responding to. I don’t give a shit about dirtsheets. Christ, take one week off from listening to Cornette whine, I’m begging you.

>since when is winning a few "get-over" matches a month and
>cutting promos a "push to the moon? thats such an odd binary
>premise.

You want them to beat jobbers and cut promos afterwards every single week for 2 years. That sounds boring and directionless to me. I haven’t even seen anyone complain about the losses besides you. It’s a young tag team, they SHOULD lose a lot those first couple years when they’re faced off against popular, veteran tag teams. And clearly, based on how over they are, it hasn’t hurt them one bit except in your head.


>they didnt get over in spite of being actively buried, they
>got over in spite of being booked by someone who doesnt know
>what hes doing.

Except he does in this case, which is a huge reason why they got over organically.

>
>and like i said, the 800k newsletter readers dont care how
>much they lose, but thats insular and out of touch with a pop
>culture audience.

Again, everything you don’t approve of, you say those fans don’t matter, and everything you like apparently would attract millions and millions more viewers if they did it the exact way you have it in your head. You don’t have any evidence for this.

  

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131. "RE: They’re over af. That’s what makes them credible."
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When I went to Forbidden Door these dudes were in the pre show and got an insane pop as soon as the intro to their music hit.

You're right, they're crazy over right now, and they did it organically.

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135. "no its not"
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"looking like credible title contenders" is what you said. insidery fans are the only ones who think that can happen without winning. if you go by what the television product shows you, they are losers.


>What are you even talking about? Dirtsheet immersed? I’m
>watching the product and seeing the reaction they get from
>live crowds. THAT’S what I’m responding to. I don’t give
>a shit about dirtsheets. Christ, take one week off from
>listening to Cornette whine, I’m begging you.

you arent supposed to know that the crowd reaction determines who gets a push. you arent even supposed to know what push is. thats the point, and thats what makes all of us dirtsheet immersed.


>
>You want them to beat jobbers and cut promos afterwards every
>single week for 2 years. That sounds boring and directionless
>to me. I haven’t even seen anyone complain about the losses
>besides you. It’s a young tag team, they SHOULD lose a lot
>those first couple years when they’re faced off against
>popular, veteran tag teams. And clearly, based on how over
>they are, it hasn’t hurt them one bit except in your head.

2 years? why would they be doing that for 2 years? if they got here by losing and NOT cutting promos for two years it doesnt take a visionary to see them in a better place than they are currently in now.


>Except he does in this case, which is a huge reason why they
>got over organically.

he didnt fire them, keep them off TV, or stop Max Caster from rapping. brilliant. genius level stuff really.

>Again, everything you don’t approve of, you say those fans
>don’t matter, and everything you like apparently would
>attract millions and millions more viewers if they did it the
>exact way you have it in your head. You don’t have any
>evidence for this.

the things i like ARE the things pop audiences like. i didnt watch TV wrestling degrade to this shit a little bit at a time. i checked out 22 years ago and came back to the lowest TV audience in the history of pro wrestling. lets not act like that was a coincidence.

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124. "Very much so."
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Lest we forget there were issues not THAT long ago. The biggest of which was Bowens being injured for a while. Caster spent some time on the shelf too. Plus, not to mention Bowens really is just getting over another injury now. Also, Caster got in trouble for making inappropriate comments about Julia Hart in that one rap. Which wouldn't have caused a ripple 20-25 years ago, but we're in a new world these days.

Regardless, the pops have been getting bigger as time has progressed, especially since this years Revolution or so. They've won the crowd on their side, and now are REALLY over.

And this angle with the Gunn Club/Ass Boys has by far been the best thing they've ever been involved with, and will be an excellent springboard for them. The only misstep so far is that they should have kept Billy Gunn a face. At this point of his career, he's not at all interesting as a no-selling heel. Plus, they're throwing away buckets of money by not being able to sell "SCISSOR ME, DADDY ASS!" t-shirts.

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126. "none of that precludes them winning on TV"
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which has always been, and will continue to be, better than losing

and im not sure how a father kicking his sons to the curb could stay a babyface. its funny in the awkward way that someone being a huge dick can be funny, but its not a nice thing to do.

and it ended up veering into "oh yeah this all fake anyways" with Bowens looking up at Billy like Oliver Twist instead of showing any fire whatsoever. its just ironic humor for the limited number of fans that wrestling laden with ironic humor attracts.

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94. "But w-w-w-wait it get’s worse! Vince paid 12 mil to 4 women"
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This has to be the end for him, right?

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/34212870/report-wwe-vince-mcmahon-paid-total-12m-4-women-quiet-sexual-misconduct-allegations

Vince McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment's (WWE) longtime leader, allegedly paid out millions in hush money to a former female wrestler with whom he had a coercive sexual relationship and who was allegedly not brought back to WWE after spurning further sexual advances from the executive, according to a report published Friday in the Wall Street Journal.

McMahon allegedly paid out $7.5 million to the former wrestler, who claimed that McMahon coerced her into giving him oral sex, demoted her and then decided not to renew her contract in 2005 after she resisted further sexual encounters with him, per the Journal report. The wrestler and her lawyer reportedly negotiated a non-disclosure agreement with McMahon in 2018.

The Journal report details a total of $12 million allegedly paid out to four women over the last 16 years to quiet allegations of the 76-year-old McMahon's sexual misconduct.

Last month, the Wall Street Journal reported that the WWE board was investigating a secret $3 million payout from McMahon to a former employee, a paralegal, over an alleged affair. In the aftermath of that news, WWE announced McMahon would be stepping away from his duties as chairman and CEO -- replaced in the interim by his daughter Stephanie -- though he would maintain his role as head of creative. Sources told ESPN at the time that this was largely an optics play and McMahon was still running the company alongside WWE president Nick Khan.

In the new report Friday, the Journal cited documents and those familiar with the deals that McMahon paid the former wrestler $7.5 million for her silence. In addition, McMahon allegedly sent unsolicited naked photos of himself to a WWE contractor and sexually harassed her on the job, leading to about a $1 million non-disclosure settlement in 2008. In a 2006 agreement, a former WWE manager was paid $1 million to stay silent about McMahon initiating a sexual relationship with her.

The WWE board is continuing its investigation, which also includes allegations that WWE executive John Laurinaitis had a sexual relationship with the same former paralegal involved with the allegedly $3 million payment, per the Journal. Laurinaitis is also being investigated for an allegedly $1.5 million non-disclosure agreement with an employee claiming sexual misconduct in 2012. Laurinaitis is reportedly currently on administrative leave.

A WWE spokesperson did not immediately return a request for comment from ESPN. A company spokesperson told the Wall Street Journal that WWE is cooperating with the board's investigation, that McMahon's relationship with the paralegal was consensual and the company is taking the allegations seriously.

The WWE board has retained the law firm Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP to conduct the investigation, which was launched following anonymous emails being sent to directors earlier this year.

On June 27, two weeks after the first Wall Street Journal report, New York Magazine ran a story containing interviews with former WWE female referee Rita Chatterton and former WWE wrestler, Leonard Inzitari, claiming McMahon sexually assaulted Chatterton in 1986. Chatterton had previously made those claims in 1992, but this was the first time they were corroborated by a second source.

"I'll tell you why I'm hopping on the bandwagon now," Inzitari told writer Abraham Riesman, who is authoring the book Ringmaster: Vince McMahon and the Unmaking of America. "There's worse stuff than that."

McMahon has been in public view more than usual since the initial Journal report June 15. One day after it was published, and hours after it was announced that he'd be stepping away from his CEO and chairman duties, McMahon showed up on WWE's "SmackDown" program. Three days later, he appeared on "WWE Raw". And last Saturday, McMahon was in attendance cageside at UFC 276 in Las Vegas, a rare non-WWE public appearance for pro-wrestling's most influential man.

McMahon was at the UFC event sitting with Stephanie; her husband, fellow exec and retired wrestler Paul "Triple H" Levesque; Khan; and sports media personality and WWE color commentator Pat McAfee.

  

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95. "Is it bad that I read 4 and thought that’s low?"
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Figured surely it’d be well into double digits

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96. "*4 that we know about"
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Probably a dozen more settlements and a few dozen women who didn’t get a settlement

  

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97. "RE: *4 that we know about"
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>Probably a dozen more settlements and a few dozen women who
>didn’t get a settlement

I was just explaining this to some buddies. We do not know! At all!

And who knows how many there were before wwe went public who got a quicker and/or dirtier deal. And right now they’re just talking about Vince and wack ass Johnny Ace. We don’t know if some of the rasslers had some wild shit going on where wwe stepped in somehow to ‘make it go away’. Even something like the recent stuff with Velveteen dream..he was allegedly dating grown wwe women too so who know if he’s basically incapable of working again because there’s much more known stuff with him.

And yeah, I have to believe this is it for Vince. Wow. Just wow.

  

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98. "The news for Vince is only going to get worse"
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Articles like this almost always open the flood gates. And whoo boy, are there a lot of bodies buried when it comes to Vince and the WWE in general.

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134. "that 3 team tag match on AEW tongiht was great"
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136. "real stand up move by the EVPs"
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dont do a job tonight AND dont have to do one for FTR

at least Shawn Michaels could blame a raging addiction to muscle relaxers for that kind of shitbaggery

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137. "RE: that 3 team tag match on AEW tongiht was great"
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>

It’s usually a good time whenever we get Keef/Swerve/Hobbs/Starks. And the Bucks showed enough ass even without being in the finish. I wondered why they got the main event but cool with me!

It’s not cool to like shit online but there appears to be some solid rasslin going on. Raw is still bloated but it’s regularly coherent all of a sudden. AEW is trying to do some solid rasslin still while they wait for their rockstars to come back. I can at least watch these shows in passing with a lil ffwd and come away not too upset. I’m even peeking in on NXT. It’s obviously a work in progress but some people on there are coming into their own. Hayes is somewhat clearly a star already for instance.

  

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140. "I thought it was good until the final 2 mins"
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When it suddenly switched to lucha rules on the fly. Tags went ALL THE WAY out the window. Other than that though the build to the finish was exciting as hell.

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138. "How are they fucking up Jade this bad?"
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And Stokely, for that matter. I've followed him for a long time and I firmly believe he has the potential to become the best manager in wrestling. Not with this shit though.

On paper, Stokely + Jade is an incredible pairing, but this baddies/interim baddies story is the pits. Jade is above this. She shouldn't even need goons to cheat for her in the first place. Plus, there shouldn't be dissension between Jade and Stokely THIS early in their pairing. And why did she fire Mark Sterling? Was that ever explained? What a mess.

I know the AEW women's division still has a long way to go with talent, but Tony does not give them much to work with creatively and he puts them in the same dead time slot on Dynamite every single week, without fail. If I'm Sasha, Naomi, or any other potential WWE defector, I wouldn't have much faith that Tony is gonna put me in a better position than Vince did... and Vince is a fucking creep! Plus that Big Swole thing really exposed Tony as an asshole.

  

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139. "the Swole-Tony weed saga is a top 25 funniest BTS story"
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141. "Damn, I hadn’t even seen that"
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The Boss smokes your weed, says he’s your friend, then acts like he barely knows you after you’re gone. Brutal.

If he had taken the time to reflect on Swole’s critique and come up with a thoughtful response, I’d have a lot more respect for him. Instead, he trashed a former talent and probably made a lot of current talent feel like shit in the process. And the idea that he saw her in-ring work as a problem is laughable. Clearly he thought highly of her if he was willing to put her over Britt.

He gets so weirdly defensive when asked about race or the women’s division. I heard an interview with him a few weeks ago where he was asked about the criticism that there wasn’t enough representation, and it was framed in a positive way like “look at Swerve & Lee, this criticism of your product is not really true anymore.” yet he still gave a rambling ass answer that made him look weird and kinda bad. Like I’ve said before, the dude needs media training.

  

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146. "he needs media avoidance"
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selfishly, the media scrums are fucking hilarious, but theres really no need for them to jerk each other off over how well they think they put together their fake sporting event

i appreciated Punk kinda kayfabing it, and in a rare moment of praise i appreciated Moxley kayfabing a child with a blog who asked him a question about the BCC

but beyond that its weird and self-congratulatory

and i love the idea of him kinda just lurking around Swole all Wednesday at dailys place during the pandemic while they shot 2 weeks of TV waiting to swoop in like a chiba hawk "hey uhh...can i come??"

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147. "Agreed, he seems to need credit for everything"
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>but beyond that its weird and self-congratulatory
>

He can’t just sit back, observe people enjoying the show, and take pleasure in that. He has to get out there and say “Hey, that thing you love, that’s me!”

That wouldn’t be as annoying as it is if he was good at taking blame for things that go poorly or responding to criticisms. And he definitely needs to stop getting on the mic in front of live crowds. It’s painful.

  

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148. "and then he tried to kayfabe the sparkler show!"
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like the exploding ring was shit because Kenny Omega's plan was faulty

no mf. you sold something you didnt have.

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144. "RE: How are they fucking up Jade this bad?"
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Yeah, its off...like they had something planned and someone is hurt/messing it up. Who knows with this wild world of rasslin.

Stokely in a vacuum is good at being randomly funny. And he will usually get me with a one-liner any time he is around. But you're right..he's kinda just a funnier Smart Mark Sterling in this current role. And the drama already seems like them buying time until something else comes up.

The Baddies are fine by me (and not just cuz they're all fiiiine), but they're eating up too much real estate in Jade's time with this story..like you're saying..she shouldn't be acting like she 'needs' baddies. She should just have them. And occasionally someone should act a fool and get thrown out/beat up/all of that. AKA typical heel group stuff.

Besides that, I want her back in the ring beating people and getting that record up to like 2x what it is. I get that having her against people she's obviously going to beat all the time is an issue. But she had been improving in the ring and her winning an occasionally hard fought match is good for her.

>And Stokely, for that matter. I've followed him for a long
>time and I firmly believe he has the potential to become the
>best manager in wrestling. Not with this shit though.
>
>On paper, Stokely + Jade is an incredible pairing, but this
>baddies/interim baddies story is the pits. Jade is above this.
>She shouldn't even need goons to cheat for her in the first
>place. Plus, there shouldn't be dissension between Jade and
>Stokely THIS early in their pairing. And why did she fire Mark
>Sterling? Was that ever explained? What a mess.
>
>I know the AEW women's division still has a long way to go
>with talent, but Tony does not give them much to work with
>creatively and he puts them in the same dead time slot on
>Dynamite every single week, without fail. If I'm Sasha, Naomi,
>or any other potential WWE defector, I wouldn't have much
>faith that Tony is gonna put me in a better position than
>Vince did... and Vince is a fucking creep! Plus that Big Swole
>thing really exposed Tony as an asshole.

  

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149. "So... what happens to WWE moving forward?"
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It certainly looks like Vince is done-ski. It's a publicly traded company, and you should can't make pay-offs with company. You certainly can't "leave it off" your SEC filings. Plus, now it appears the Federal Government is investigating him. And who knows what will continue to leak out considering further allegations of sexual misconduct.

Stephanie and Nick Khan are in charge. Johnny Ace is out. Kevin Dunn is dead man walking. It sorta looks like Brother Love survived. HHH went from on the outs to controlling creative.

In terms of creative, I think Wrestling online is over-stating the immediate impact all these changes are going to have, especially HHH being in charge. I don't see a mass re-signing of Sasha Banks, Wyatt, Stroman, Kross, Gargano, and a pillaging the AEW locker room in the future. I don't think sixty-minute Gargano vs. Ciampa matches are going to start headlining PPVs. I'm not even convinced the NXT Gold & Black is on the way back.

So what will change? Will the commentary improve with Vince not yelling in Cole's headphones the entire time? Will there be less goofy gimmicks and name changes? Will Gunther go back to being Walter and Butch go back to being Peter Dunne? Do Theory and Riddle get their first names back? Will roster members be able to make money from Twitch streamings?

And big picture, what happens? Does Khan push for them to sell out to NBC/Disney/Netflix?

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150. "Whooo! Loaded questions!"
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First thing first. Please tell me you’ve seen THIS?

https://mobile.twitter.com/wrestlingnewsco/status/1551655832550531072

I was howling laughing at this shit.

Anyway..man IDK! I have to figure Haitch will try to get his shit in while not completely going off the rails. If anything, I’d guess women rasslers win out the biggest eventually. Better matches. Maybe a tad more emphasis here and there. And yeah, if Sasha is coming back, it’s to be treated well by Hunter and given a silly long reign if she can stay healthy for it.

And no, we aren’t gonna get a Gargano/Ciampa 67 minute Ironman theatrical match. But we might get a good ass Asuka/Shayna joint!

And NXT: Street Fighter 4 Focus Attack is gonna keep going as is with Shawn trying to make as many chicken salads as he can with these young good looking folks.

I’m gonna type this..imagine if this happened and then WWE gets ROH!? Whoooooo! Haitch would’ve truly made that shit NXT B&G!

Commentary is already on its way up with Graves and Pat on-hand so Vince being out should help.

I’m really wondering how no Kevin Dunn is gonna work. I want to believe it’ll be good?

And fuck yeah Nick Kahn is probably thinking about selling this thing off ASAP before scandals take down the whole shit. And you know Vince ain’t by himself. He MIGHT be the worst offender because of the money stuff, but can you fucking imagine how many absurd woman-related stories WWE probably has in their closets and walls like the damn Upside Down? And which big shit execs and/or wrestlers might’ve been in on some of them? I mean, we’re all walking around comfortably with the idea that Macho Man might’ve for real tossed it up with Stephanie. And we know about the Snuka shit. And the roids. And the drug shit with a huge chunk of the legendary midcard posse from the 80s. And the concussion shit. And the CM Punk-ish making people work hurt cuz ‘that’s the biz’. And Owen. And Ashley. And Johnny Ace in general being mad skeevy..hiring broads out of catalogs and of course then trying to smang.

Whatever it is, I think it’s fair to be excited. It got cool to hate on NXT for a while but that shit was big fun with a mountain of good matches, fun characters, and no babysitting style finishes. The main roster could do well to incorporate some of that stuff.

>It certainly looks like Vince is done-ski. It's a publicly
>traded company, and you should can't make pay-offs with
>company. You certainly can't "leave it off" your SEC filings.
>Plus, now it appears the Federal Government is investigating
>him. And who knows what will continue to leak out considering
>further allegations of sexual misconduct.
>
>Stephanie and Nick Khan are in charge. Johnny Ace is out.
>Kevin Dunn is dead man walking. It sorta looks like Brother
>Love survived. HHH went from on the outs to controlling
>creative.
>
>In terms of creative, I think Wrestling online is over-stating
>the immediate impact all these changes are going to have,
>especially HHH being in charge. I don't see a mass re-signing
>of Sasha Banks, Wyatt, Stroman, Kross, Gargano, and a
>pillaging the AEW locker room in the future. I don't think
>sixty-minute Gargano vs. Ciampa matches are going to start
>headlining PPVs. I'm not even convinced the NXT Gold & Black
>is on the way back.
>
>So what will change? Will the commentary improve with Vince
>not yelling in Cole's headphones the entire time? Will there
>be less goofy gimmicks and name changes? Will Gunther go back
>to being Walter and Butch go back to being Peter Dunne? Do
>Theory and Riddle get their first names back? Will roster
>members be able to make money from Twitch streamings?
>
>And big picture, what happens? Does Khan push for them to sell
>out to NBC/Disney/Netflix?
>
>Just some thoughts...

  

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151. "Gotta imagine Starks had his waist cleared for something else"
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But MAN, if Hook having the FTW means he gets to run through the lower card I'm here for it.

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152. "Great babyface turn promo after"
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>But MAN, if Hook having the FTW means he gets to run through
>the lower card I'm here for it.

And great idea to immediately have Hobbs lay him out to cement the turn. It solved one of my biggest issues with heel turns: having a heel turn on a heel doesn’t make the victim suddenly a good person, but if the victim was just starting to become good it suddenly works really well.

He’s a phenomenal talent. Excited to see what happens next. And also excited to see Hook run with this title. Perfect way to keep him interesting as he kills jobbers week after week.

  

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154. "they were already both babyfaces"
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161. "no, they weren’t."
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153. "Brian Cage remains Cornette level bitter "
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155. "clumsy, dumb, and unnecessary "
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im watching on DVR right now and Taz hasnt mentioned it since it happened as of the Thunder Rosa match. its not like those people represent his primary business interests or anything...

there were no "heart of a champion" spots in the Hook match for the announcers to marvel at, altho Excalibur wouldnt even know what to do in that situation anyways

the Young Bucks had Starks eat a clean pin because they didnt want to do a real job

as great as they both are, appreciating the way they portray a fake athlete is the only thing to appreciate, because neither Starks nor Hobbs has had any measure of success in terms of wins. strictly taken at face value, a midcard tag team that never wins on TV just broke up. thrilling.



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157. "it was a two minute match after Starks got dumped on his neck"
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Hook was fresh. Starks got too cocky in continuing to extend the challenge. And this time a real contender came out. And even then we got to see Hook be an insane athlete. It would have been really clumsy and dumb for it to take Hook 10 minutes to put away a gassed Starks.

So when Hobbs leveled him, he had a reason. Starks’ attitude was holding Hobbs back and Hobbs just wants to win.

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159. "i didnt say it was complicated"
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158. "Like, go watch old JCP tapes man. "
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156. "AEW is wretched right now"
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nothing makes any sense, and the nonstop barrage of "hey, dont forget, this is fake!" is SO exhausting

Swerve Strickland was a bright spot, but that was ruined too by having Indy Goof #312 hold the same fake pose, with the same generic tough guy face, for the same awkward camera angle on two separate shots while Keith Lee pretended to be in a coma.

i havent watched Rampage in 3 weeks, and ive watched the last month's worth of Dynamites on DVR after the fact. i can feel myself disengaging with every amateurish facsimile of every angle and gimmick match that have ever been done in the entire history pro wrestling all crammed in to the last 2 and a half years. pretty sure all thats left is a suspended wrestler under a mask, and a scaffold match. altho now that i think about it, they would actually have to have rules to penalize someone for breaking them, so the Midnight Rider may be safe.

now Omega is coming back and the Bucks and Adam Cole are going back to the featured spot. there was a chance over the past year to centralize the show around serious wrestlers doing grown up things for grown up reasons and im afraid its never coming back until a serious person is booking the company.

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160. "Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite"
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Solid opening match (motivated RUSH is always good).

Glad they've finally pulled the trigger on Hook. He's been pretty protected up to and including that match, so now it's time to take the training wheels completely off and see what he can do.

Stark turned himself into a huge face with the post-match promo, and the Hobbs turn was suitably brutal and epic. Sets up something solid match for All Out.

Handicap match worked well enough, and set up Swerve & Lee's next title defense before they fight FTR at All Out.

Rosa match didn't quite click as well as it could have, but it was still a decent enough match. The problem is that the division has pretty much run out of convincing heels that aren't named Jade for Thuder Rosa to face. So I guess they're gearing up for another Baker rematch. Unless they want to try and make Conti and Anna Jay the next challenger.

And Danielson/Garcia was as hard hitting and violent as it needed to be. Garcia is on his way to becoming a huge star. I imagine that they're setting up Moxley vs. Garcia for the All Out main event. Moxley elevating three guys in a year is going to be pretty damn impressive.

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162. "Yeah I enjoyed tf out of that ep"
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I even enjoyed Starks for the first time. I see some potential in him

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damn lol

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168. "he was in the "go away" category for me"
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163. "RE: Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite"
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>
>Rosa match didn't quite click as well as it could have, but it
>was still a decent enough match. The problem is that the
>division has pretty much run out of convincing heels that
>aren't named Jade for Thuder Rosa to face. So I guess they're
>gearing up for another Baker rematch. Unless they want to try
>and make Conti and Anna Jay the next challenger.

IMO - just have Britt go face - she’s one of the few that is charismatic enough to basically be the same character and work as face or heel, at this point. She goes face and carry’s the title and I bet she can get some heels over.

>And Danielson/Garcia was as hard hitting and violent as it
>needed to be. Garcia is on his way to becoming a huge star. I
>imagine that they're setting up Moxley vs. Garcia for the All
>Out main event. Moxley elevating three guys in a year is going
>to be pretty damn impressive.

I don’t know Garcia well, but after that match I’m very intrigued….which means it served its purpose well.

  

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165. "RE: Pretty thoroughly entertaining episode of Dynamite"
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Yeah. I liked this one.

Dynamite had me struggling here recently outside of a few true bangers (triple threat tag that Swerve and Keef won). Kingston/Jericho REALLY bottomed things out for me during this little era of AEW. I wanted to love that match but pretty much didn't AND there were ridiculous flubs all throughout it.

The injuries have really hurt things. Punk is such a helluva Febreze for them while they get everything else figured out. I swear I would've never guessed that Punk would be this big of a deal for any company in the way he is. He 'classes shit up' just by being around. And the heat he draws just from coming out to his music!? So good.

I'm fine with getting MJF whenever we get him, but I'm guessing Punk being out helped screw things up if we were right in assuming most of that stuff was a work and it was gonna lead him back to Phil. If its not a work and the money shit has him on ice for a year or whatever, well shit...I guess we'll see him when we see him.

I REALLY want Hangman to get into something decent. The innanet hate has gone too far. His character DOES need work but he's not without merit. He just needs something worth a damn to do. I don't love doing rankings or comparisons, but I have him in my mind as like Lex Luger for this era. He looks good enough, he can do all of the stuff his 'type' of wrestler should, and he shines the best when working with king shit wrestlers who know how to max out what he can do physically (Bryan, Kenny, Bucks, those folks). Anyway, I'll take him doing the 'will he or won't he' dance with the Bucks as good enough FOR NOW cuz I'm not operating with a checklist that demands that I hate the Page/Bucks/Kenny by default just cuz Cornette obvious does and he's the go-to voice for hating shit (he doesn't even have to watch shit to hate on it and keep an audience now..damn shame). Just don't kick out of Canadian Destroyers and I'm cool with the Bucks!

I wish Thunder could have a good azz match and a couple of solid talking segments back to back and with no dramatics mixed in but it kinda sorta ain't happening. It is unfortunate. She's gonna have to come up off of that belt in a bit. Really, Jade should take her out and keep on being the unbeatable killer rookie until someone finally catches her slipping on a random Dynamite in the hour 1 main event. TBS belt should be the worker women's belt. Let all of their talent have 12 minute good shit matches for it 2 out of every 3 weeks and it'll be fine.

And I wish ROH could get rolling. Cesaro as champ floats the shit out of my boat but they need their own show damnit.

Anyways, this ep had a lot of good things happening.

Starks has been on a roll and this whole deal was set up in a fun way. Having Hook come out was good times. And Hobbs TOOK HIS ASS OUT after that promo. I was worried the whole time he was talking and my worries got validated right then and there! He's a fun jackass wrestler and talker. The fire is gonna be great. Good times are coming his way if they just let him go a little bit.

And Garcia getting Bryan the way he got him? VERY GOOD TIMES. I enjoyed the hell out of that. And hey..the lip service for guys like him going to AEW in the first place was for him to help make younger folks somewhere along the way. This was that.

Moxley is almost too good in the role of 'substitute teacher' champ that people kind of wave off until 'the real champ' comes back.

I LOVE KILLSHOT/Swerve. He's a sneaky great wrestler to me. The character pretty much works depending on what he's doing. And I like him and Keef as champs cuz of course I do. I want Keep to slim off, stay healthy, and spend time with his fam whenever he can before they inevitably break up somehow.

>Solid opening match (motivated RUSH is always good).
>
>Glad they've finally pulled the trigger on Hook. He's been
>pretty protected up to and including that match, so now it's
>time to take the training wheels completely off and see what
>he can do.
>
>Stark turned himself into a huge face with the post-match
>promo, and the Hobbs turn was suitably brutal and epic. Sets
>up something solid match for All Out.
>
>Handicap match worked well enough, and set up Swerve & Lee's
>next title defense before they fight FTR at All Out.
>
>Rosa match didn't quite click as well as it could have, but it
>was still a decent enough match. The problem is that the
>division has pretty much run out of convincing heels that
>aren't named Jade for Thuder Rosa to face. So I guess they're
>gearing up for another Baker rematch. Unless they want to try
>and make Conti and Anna Jay the next challenger.
>
>And Danielson/Garcia was as hard hitting and violent as it
>needed to be. Garcia is on his way to becoming a huge star. I
>imagine that they're setting up Moxley vs. Garcia for the All
>Out main event. Moxley elevating three guys in a year is going
>to be pretty damn impressive.

  

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166. "I'm a little more generous to a lot of the recent Dynamite's..."
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>Dynamite had me struggling here recently outside of a few true
>bangers (triple threat tag that Swerve and Keef won).
>Kingston/Jericho REALLY bottomed things out for me during this
>little era of AEW. I wanted to love that match but pretty much
>didn't AND there were ridiculous flubs all throughout it.

...but I won't front: That barb-wire everywhere REALLY sucked. Like you said, the blown spots dragged it all the way down. The Kingston/Jericho feud deserved a better ending.


>The injuries have really hurt things. Punk is such a helluva
>Febreze for them while they get everything else figured out. I
>swear I would've never guessed that Punk would be this big of
>a deal for any company in the way he is. He 'classes shit up'
>just by being around. And the heat he draws just from coming
>out to his music!? So good.

The lack of Punk and Danielson (until this show) definitely hurt things. As did no Cole/O'Reily/Fish. Then Jeff's issues tanked a Hardy Boyz title run. I do think they did a good job elevating some of the mid-carders in the interim: The Acclaimed are now beloved. They got Swerve/Lee to hit the next level. They finally put a belt on Wardlow. They finally made excellent use of Christian, although I'm a bit bummed they pulled the plug on Evil Luchasaurus so quick. Orange Cassidy is having a second surge. Takeshita looks like a possible revelation. And now they're ready to go with Starks/Hobbs. The absolute top of the card is a bit shaky, but they've good at building the next level below.

>I'm fine with getting MJF whenever we get him, but I'm
>guessing Punk being out helped screw things up if we were
>right in assuming most of that stuff was a work and it was
>gonna lead him back to Phil. If its not a work and the money
>shit has him on ice for a year or whatever, well shit...I
>guess we'll see him when we see him.

I'm still convinced that this at least mostly a work.

>I REALLY want Hangman to get into something decent. The
>innanet hate has gone too far. His character DOES need work
>but he's not without merit. He just needs something worth a
>damn to do. I don't love doing rankings or comparisons, but I
>have him in my mind as like Lex Luger for this era. He looks
>good enough, he can do all of the stuff his 'type' of wrestler
>should, and he shines the best when working with king shit
>wrestlers who know how to max out what he can do physically
>(Bryan, Kenny, Bucks, those folks). Anyway, I'll take him
>doing the 'will he or won't he' dance with the Bucks as good
>enough FOR NOW cuz I'm not operating with a checklist that
>demands that I hate the Page/Bucks/Kenny by default just cuz
>Cornette obvious does and he's the go-to voice for hating shit
>(he doesn't even have to watch shit to hate on it and keep an
>audience now..damn shame). Just don't kick out of Canadian
>Destroyers and I'm cool with the Bucks!

I think Hangman got kind of screwed by circumstances: some seen, some unforeseen. For one, it's REALLY hard to successfully pull off a "Babyface has long a chase for the title, wins, and then he successful post chase title run." Last person it worked with was, who, Steve Austin in 1998? Also, CM Punk was getting so popular that they had to put the belt on him, especially after the MJF feud. And I'm sure they didn't count of Danielson being such a great heel out of the gate that it would have made sense to give him the belt at that point.

I think putting him in the six-man tournament with the Bucks would be a good next step. Then it all depends on how you book their loss to the Cole/O'Reily/Fish at All Out. I'd personally go with Hangman screwing over the Bucks, then having a stare down with the returning Omega. Then you either have him eventually get his win back over Omega (and being the first person to kick out of the One-Winged Angel) or plug him in as Moxley's next opponent.

>
>I wish Thunder could have a good azz match and a couple of
>solid talking segments back to back and with no dramatics
>mixed in but it kinda sorta ain't happening. It is
>unfortunate. She's gonna have to come up off of that belt in a
>bit. Really, Jade should take her out and keep on being the
>unbeatable killer rookie until someone finally catches her
>slipping on a random Dynamite in the hour 1 main event. TBS
>belt should be the worker women's belt. Let all of their
>talent have 12 minute good shit matches for it 2 out of every
>3 weeks and it'll be fine.

They just haven't found a way to create believable top of the "card" Women's Wrestlers aside from Rosa, Shida, Baker, and Jade. It seemed like they had something with Statlander, but this weird feud with Jade isn't doing her any favors. It also isn't doing anything for Athena.

>And I wish ROH could get rolling. Cesaro as champ floats the
>shit out of my boat but they need their own show damnit.

Tony needs to sign a streaming deal with HBO Max and have them host a streaming only show. Or just turn one of the Darks into ROH in the meantime.


>And Garcia getting Bryan the way he got him? VERY GOOD TIMES.
>I enjoyed the hell out of that. And hey..the lip service for
>guys like him going to AEW in the first place was for him to
>help make younger folks somewhere along the way. This was
>that.

I do think him and Moxley could be REALLY good.


>I LOVE KILLSHOT/Swerve. He's a sneaky great wrestler to me.
>The character pretty much works depending on what he's doing.
>And I like him and Keef as champs cuz of course I do. I want
>Keep to slim off, stay healthy, and spend time with his fam
>whenever he can before they inevitably break up somehow.

Only thing I've had to complain about is them being used a vehicle to give Kevin Gates screen time. Especially when Westside Gunn is RIGHT FUCKING THERE!!!!! But yeah, that tandem is awesome, because of course it is. And Swerve is another guy with "HUGE STAR" potential in his DNA. Even outside the ring.

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167. "Swerve has made me more interested every time ive seen him"
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he looks real, he acts real, he talks like a person who means what he says, and his matches more or less seem like contests rather than displays

ive never watched NXT so he has been a nice surprise

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169. "Logan Paul 2/2 that boy athletic and entertaining"
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173. "Gotta hand it to him."
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He did a better figure four and frog splash than most of the wrestlers I’ve seen. And that crossbody/moonsault combo was pretty damn smooth.

  

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170. "The walk to the ring is outrageous "
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172. "Lmaoooo "
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Bayley: “I’m not alone”
*1 hour later*
“I have Dakota Kai and Io *checks notes* Sky by my side!”

  

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209. "How blessed we are that Undertaker is retired."
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Summerslam was usually his "welp, time to chill till Mania" point. That entrance on that aisle would have been noooo bueno.

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210. "Literally would have time to go pick up a pizza and come back"
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>Summerslam was usually his "welp, time to chill till Mania"
>point. That entrance on that aisle would have been noooo
>bueno.

  

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171. "Great start. Bumass Corbin will be a classic SS moment😂😂😂"
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Those motherfuckers committed to the bit. I love it.

Becky/Bianca was an outstanding start. I loved the pace, and it felt like a fight.

Spoilers






-Bayley’s return was cool. The faction was kind of meh. It reeked of the early “give women a chance” campaign where all these random teams just popped up. We could have had an easy month worth of tv building that up, and it felt like a hotshot just to get the Becky moment- which was admittedly dope. I assumed she had left, and it was genuinely surprising to me.

Logan is the real deal. Yes, there’s a surprise factor, but he clearly takes this seriously and appears to be all in. He could use some character work but he can go in that ring.

I’m sure there Miz fans out there who think Loga ‘s being carried, but he’s more than held up his end.

Bumass Corbin😂😂😂that choir was all in. That was a great moment.

Drew saying what we’re all thinking about this Brock vs Reigns Part 57 was nice.

We don’t need JJ in tv though, why the fuck has been on tv at all lately? God he sucks. His mere presence makes things feel 2nd rate.

Also:My guess is, Ford turns heel at the end of this.

  

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174. "that was incredible once the tractor came into play"
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175. "if this show was any indication, HHH bout to bring WWE byke"
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that show went hard af

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178. "RE: if this show was any indication, HHH bout to bring WWE byke"
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>that show went hard af

Right.

We had people hoping and wishing for Haitch to take over main roster WWE years ago.

Let me get some shit in right quick/again..after that, we can do what we wanna do with this convo..haha...

Not watching prime NXT was a missed opportunity for a lot of people claiming there was 'no good rasslin to watch'. Sure, the 'epic encounters' got to be a bit much towards the end of the B&G era but fuck that...that brand had mountains of grand character work (Velveteen, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, DIY, the Horsewomen, multiple other badass women, Cole and them), different types of characters (not just the 'I'm from the indies and I'm good at wrestling..trust me' character that we see too much of in general sometimes the last 15-ish years). And that brand has a catalog of big fight feel matches AND random bangers in all of the categories: blood feuds, title matches, tag matches, multi-person matches, gimmick matches, general purpose 'I'm better than you and you can't take it' matches, all of that. NXT had it. The lazy negativity because lots of the NXT guys 'didn't work' on the main roster is, at least to me, mostly bad faith negativity to try to 'validate' mindlessly watching shaky Raw eps every week while skipping out on NXT cuz Roman Reigns wasn't on it. It is worse than acting like a player wasn't good in college just because shit didn't go his/her way in the pros.

Aight..enough of that!

Whatever HHH's role means, it is fair to assume that they're going to try like hell to put something good out while all of this bad Vince shit is leaking out. And sure, Vince IS PROBABLY REALLY in the background on some Avon Barksdale shit chiming in to SOMEONE. But I'll take the slant of assuming that even that will fade after a while. And then we'll see how 'different' things really are. At least, I think we'll get to see SOME stuff that would've never made it past Vince. And the announcing will probably be VERY good if Summerfest and even recent shows are any indication. Corey and Pat are good times and Cole sounds to be having a Jim Ross 87-level good time when big shit happens.

  

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182. "Regarding this:"
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>Not watching prime NXT was a missed opportunity for a lot of
>people claiming there was 'no good rasslin to watch'. Sure,
>the 'epic encounters' got to be a bit much towards the end of
>the B&G era but fuck that...that brand had mountains of grand
>character work (Velveteen, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, DIY, the
>Horsewomen, multiple other badass women, Cole and them),
>different types of characters (not just the 'I'm from the
>indies and I'm good at wrestling..trust me' character that we
>see too much of in general sometimes the last 15-ish years).
>And that brand has a catalog of big fight feel matches AND
>random bangers in all of the categories: blood feuds, title
>matches, tag matches, multi-person matches, gimmick matches,
>general purpose 'I'm better than you and you can't take it'
>matches, all of that. NXT had it. The lazy negativity because
>lots of the NXT guys 'didn't work' on the main roster is, at
>least to me, mostly bad faith negativity to try to 'validate'
>mindlessly watching shaky Raw eps every week while skipping
>out on NXT cuz Roman Reigns wasn't on it. It is worse than
>acting like a player wasn't good in college just because shit
>didn't go his/her way in the pros.

I've spent the six months or so going through the NXT Takeovers/"events" starting from the beginning (which is either 2014 or '15) for the first time through Peacock and have been planning on writing a post about it. Looking for a logical "stopping" point, but they're so good that I just want to keep going. Up to Philly Takeover now.

But, yeah, I can see how this would have pulled me in back then. I caught some of the tail end of their golden years back in 2020, and didn't commit. It would have broken my heart if I'd been with it for that long to see what it's become today.

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176. "Great show top to bottom. Bonkers main event. "
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We’ve seen damn near everything already, and they managed to give us something relatively different. The tractor turned this shit up in a big way.

Definitely a fun show.

I hope this show is as well received overall as it was for me personally.

  

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177. "Theory being treated as an annoyance popped me. "
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Also loved the story told in Morgan/Rousey. Liv hanging in and stealing the pin as she taps could set up Baszler on a collision course, since Ronda will likely be “suspended” for beasting on a ref.

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179. "Curious what would have happened if Theory actually cashed in"
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Does he join the Last Man Standing match for both titles? Or does he get to pin whoever he wants for a title of his choosing?

  

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180. "No idea"
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The second ref seemed to indicate that it was a separate type of match- maybe they make the announcement when the cash-in happens, but like, he probably just gets added to the LMS. Which makes it even more of a clusterfuck. As it turned out, Roman and Brock taking turns hammering him was a nice interlude for the finishing sprint.

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181. "Why on earth would u cash in before that match finished? "
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183. "Because Theory is Kronk made flesh."
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Although the logic I suppose is, not only are Roman and Brock all but out, but the rest of the Bloodline have all been dealt with.

(in shoot it's so you can have Theory do what he said, and the finish to SummerSlam is still the finish to the main event.)

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Otherwise, if it’s a normal post-match cash in, he’d only get one title of his choosing.

Obviously, this should be explained if that’s actually the case lol. But that’s the best I can come up with.

  

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184. "There kinda needs to be clarification on the ref’s role"
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It seems to be that they ask “are you sure you want to cash in?” And when the wrestler says yes, the cash in happens. Some refs ask once, some ask a bunch of times to make sure. Either way, that conversation seemed to take place the other night, but Theory got beat up before the ref talked to the ring announcer. To me, that should be a “tough shit” situation, but we’ve seen it a few times iirc and the ref doesn’t actually complete the cash-in. If you have confirmed to the ref you want to cash in, who cares that you get beat up before the ref talks to the ring announcer? Having MITB is a huge advantage, so it should have a small drawback too. You picked an inopportune time to cash in? That’s on you.


Edit: I also JUST realized that I have no idea how a 3 man LMS match would even work. Do you count out one wrestler and then the match continues with the other 2? Has there ever been a 3 man LMS match in any company?

  

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187. "I think in terms of protocol, the referee has to accept the cash-in"
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then the announcer and timekeeper confirm the additions to the match (presumably the new official would talk with the LMS official to figure out how to work Theory into this match- does it become a three-way LMS or falls count anywhere triple threat?). Then the new match is announced, and the referee "rings the bell" on the new match.

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188. "yeah the cash in doesnt count until the bell hits"
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the whole way they handle cash-ins is why i hate the MITB thing altogether. its stupid as fuck.

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186. "Sasha and Naomi byke resigned. Based Haitch doing thangs "
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189. "I watched almost all of Raw last night and really enjoyed it"
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There was some really good wresting - specifically AJ Styles v Ciampa, the Mysterios v Usos, and Montez Ford v Rollins. All of these matchups were GOOD and felt fresh. When a show like last night or Summerslam happens, when WWE just lets its great wrestlers go perform, it confirms that it is still the best company in the world.

I just love what they did with Tomasso Ciampa last night. Two triple threat matches, those winners face each other at the end of the night, that winner will face Lashley. So it’s like a tournament but it doesn’t say it’s a tournament. In theory to win a triple threat match you’d have to be a badass in-ring wrestler right? So naturally the two best in ring wrestlers in each match, Styles and Ciampa, won. When Styles wrestled Ciampa , Miz was ringside helping Ciampa just enough but not so much that his win felt illegitimate. You’ve gotta love the all hands on deck approach to making Ciampa last night. You know that’s a Hunter guy , and you know that’s a Hunter call to have Miz get him over as a heel and have Styles get him over as a wrestler. Like, dude, this isn’t astrophysics. So good.

  

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190. "Ciampa plays a foot taller"
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>
>There was some really good wresting - specifically AJ Styles v
>Ciampa, the Mysterios v Usos, and Montez Ford v Rollins. All
>of these matchups were GOOD and felt fresh. When a show like
>last night or Summerslam happens, when WWE just lets its great
>wrestlers go perform, it confirms that it is still the best
>company in the world.
>
>I just love what they did with Tomasso Ciampa last night. Two
>triple threat matches, those winners face each other at the
>end of the night, that winner will face Lashley. So it’s
>like a tournament but it doesn’t say it’s a tournament. In
>theory to win a triple threat match you’d have to be a
>badass in-ring wrestler right? So naturally the two best in
>ring wrestlers in each match, Styles and Ciampa, won. When
>Styles wrestled Ciampa , Miz was ringside helping Ciampa just
>enough but not so much that his win felt illegitimate.
>You’ve gotta love the all hands on deck approach to making
>Ciampa last night. You know that’s a Hunter guy , and you
>know that’s a Hunter call to have Miz get him over as a heel
>and have Styles get him over as a wrestler. Like, dude, this
>isn’t astrophysics. So good.

Like, he gives up a foot on someone like Walter, but he looked like the biggest, baddest motherfucker in the world when he was NXT champ. Just give him time to work and the big crowds are gonna love him.

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191. "RE: I watched almost all of Raw last night and really enjoyed it"
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Right, getting wrestling right is NOT easy, but it isn't impossible. To me, it is mostly about just trying to get it right. Pretend that shit matters instead of making it obvious that you're just trying to get through the run time of the show, show your work on your stories JUST A LITTLE BIT and trust your audience to do the rest, and do what you can to make people look good doing whatever they're doing. Make your champs look like champs. Make your contenders look like people who could mess around and win a big match. Make your midcard guys look formidable even when they lose.

To me, Haitch is pretty much great at all of that shit I mentioned above. And I was hype for him allegedly getting his shot at a Raw. At the same time, I get that seeing good things over a period of time is what we want here. Regardless, I'm almost too confident that he can make a coherent show if given enough freedom.

And the roster is still a parade of talented folks who just need to be positioned well on-purpose. And really, sometimes rasslin promoters will 'decide' that someone sucks and do almost nothing to help people be all that they can be. To me, NXT has been about the best show going at 'positioning' people well in the last 10-ish years. They've taken multiple folks who I cared not about and make them seem like a big deal. Shiiiid, even recently with 2.0...they had some heat on Ziggler for a quick run. And Toxic Attraction!? Shiii-yiiid! Them girls was fine before they got together but now they're that and over. And Mandy figured out that walk now too.

And don't start me on how well they generally booked the women in NXT..just don't!

Anyway, I REALLY LIKED the show last night. They had been on their way up for a while now. Last night, I was struggling to find stuff to fast fwd. Normally/sadly, I could do an 'Autobots, roll out' on major chunks of the show if even I tried to watch the whole thing in earnest the last few years. But as soon as I saw the double triple threat setup, I was like 'oh really!?'. Then Iyo/Bianca too!? AND Rollins/Ford!? Okay Haitch! We're getting down like that!? So, for the first time in a long time, it took me most of the 3 hour runtime to watch the show. So that has to be a good sign, right?

Shiid, I was even about to ffwd spooky azz Alexa Bliss and then I saw Asuka was the opponent. I was like 'these fools are gonna make me watch this too!? Damnit!'. Haha.

I can only imagine how fun a 2-hour Smackdown can be if this is the going to be the approach for that show too! Now we just have to get rid of quick camera cutting ass Kevin Dunn and we'll be cooking for real.

>There was some really good wresting - specifically AJ Styles v
>Ciampa, the Mysterios v Usos, and Montez Ford v Rollins. All
>of these matchups were GOOD and felt fresh. When a show like
>last night or Summerslam happens, when WWE just lets its great
>wrestlers go perform, it confirms that it is still the best
>company in the world.
>
>I just love what they did with Tomasso Ciampa last night. Two
>triple threat matches, those winners face each other at the
>end of the night, that winner will face Lashley. So it’s
>like a tournament but it doesn’t say it’s a tournament. In
>theory to win a triple threat match you’d have to be a
>badass in-ring wrestler right? So naturally the two best in
>ring wrestlers in each match, Styles and Ciampa, won. When
>Styles wrestled Ciampa , Miz was ringside helping Ciampa just
>enough but not so much that his win felt illegitimate.
>You’ve gotta love the all hands on deck approach to making
>Ciampa last night. You know that’s a Hunter guy , and you
>know that’s a Hunter call to have Miz get him over as a heel
>and have Styles get him over as a wrestler. Like, dude, this
>isn’t astrophysics. So good.
>
>

  

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192. "The Acclaimed crushed it tonight lol"
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good to see them getting extended time to cook

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193. "RE: The Acclaimed crushed it tonight lol"
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>good to see them getting extended time to cook

When Max made sure to get his rap done even mid-confrontation, I felt seen. And its great to see Bowens back after not a crazy amount of time out.

  

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194. "Haitch said you get Kross AND Scarlett this time"
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lets see what this dude got cause vince made him look like a clown

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195. "I honestly feel like anything is possible "
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Wyatt
Strowman
Sasha

why not?

Triple H is deliberately telling us “he’s gone and it’s my sandbox now”

Also, there’s a backstage segment of about 60 seconds with Sami Zayn and the Usos that absolutely murdered me

  

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196. "Strowman is a moron, and will not be back"
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once he went in with his Alt-Right Wrestling Assoction thing i think that was the end

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197. "RE: I honestly feel like anything is possible "
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>
>Wyatt
>Strowman
>Sasha
>
>why not?
>
>Triple H is deliberately telling us “he’s gone and it’s
>my sandbox now”
>
>Also, there’s a backstage segment of about 60 seconds with
>Sami Zayn and the Usos that absolutely murdered me

That Sami Zayn face turn is gonna make my heart grow 3 sizes (in a good way).

And yeah, Haitch is on a fucking roll already. He’s going out of his way to make some people look viable. And that’s all the fuck it takes to get some people (like me) excited.

That Key and Peele/HHH Twitter joke is damn near looking like a spoiler now.

And yeah. Wyatt doing basically anything WHEN he comes back would go over stupid well. In my mind, I want him to rescue Judgement Day. Or maybe even be the reason it died cuz he comes back to help Edge.

This is gonna be a fun ass fall. WWE damn near feels like a new company. Hopefully it lasts and Haitch can keep doing his fantasy booking thing. That’s pretty much what NXT was at its best so it ain’t like it’s impossible. Only now, he gets to fantasy book with the whole roster instead of doing it with ‘just’ the rookies, indy folks, and Japan stars. I’m openly optimistic. And I don’t need it to be perfect.

And hopefully AEW can get some people back healthy and do some good stuff too. Their window to catch WWE bullshittin around while trying to cater to Vince looks to be closed. But they still have a bunch of folks they shouldn’t have. And they can go! They just just need good ‘reasons’ to be going. Get ROH a show, let CeClaudio run wild, keep FTR as themselves, let Phil keep being the best part of turning of the show when he’s back, and bingo bango..it’s a party before anyone else does anything. I’m pulling for Starks bigtime.

  

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198. "Bayley calling her Dakota Sky could work as their tag team name"
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I like seeing people mess up and recognize it and adjust.

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200. "This is a very underrated quality:"
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>I like seeing people mess up and recognize it and adjust.

Even in the greatest promos, there are usually a few small slip ups. It is very rare to go through 3+ minutes of talking without messing something up. That goes for both off-the-cuff and heavily scripted promos. The best talkers can roll with it, the worst talkers let it derail their entire promo.

Plus, WWE can usually edit things to make it seem like the slip up never happened. If you ask them, Hulk Hogan never said “New World Organization.”

  

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201. "And of course, major slip ups live on forever"
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>>I like seeing people mess up and recognize it and adjust.
>
>Even in the greatest promos, there are usually a few small
>slip ups. It is very rare to go through 3+ minutes of talking
>without messing something up. That goes for both off-the-cuff
>and heavily scripted promos. The best talkers can roll with
>it, the worst talkers let it derail their entire promo.

"And THAT's why I kicked your leg out of your leg;" "HULK HOGAN WE COMIN FOR YOU;" "And I only have HALF the brains that you do"


>Plus, WWE can usually edit things to make it seem like the
>slip up never happened. If you ask them, Hulk Hogan never said
>“New World Organization.”

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205. "RE: And of course, major slip ups live on forever"
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>>>I like seeing people mess up and recognize it and adjust.
>
>>
>>Even in the greatest promos, there are usually a few small
>>slip ups. It is very rare to go through 3+ minutes of
>talking
>>without messing something up. That goes for both
>off-the-cuff
>>and heavily scripted promos. The best talkers can roll with
>>it, the worst talkers let it derail their entire promo.
>
>"And THAT's why I kicked your leg out of your leg;" "HULK
>HOGAN WE COMIN FOR YOU;" "And I only have HALF the brains that
>you do"
>
>
>>Plus, WWE can usually edit things to make it seem like the
>>slip up never happened. If you ask them, Hulk Hogan never
>said
>>“New World Organization.”

It is crazy how much Hogan is related to some major flubs. And that's even with him being a king shit promo for like forever. That shit at Mania 30 can make me laugh for a long time. Stone Cold's face was just perfect.

  

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206. "Even his correction is hilarious"
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>It is crazy how much Hogan is related to some major flubs. And
>that's even with him being a king shit promo for like forever.
>That shit at Mania 30 can make me laugh for a long time. Stone
>Cold's face was just perfect.
>

I love covering mistakes with “Sorry, I was thinking about slamming Andre at the Silverdome, brother.”

  

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199. "I want this Judgment Day thing to be a huge swerve"
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I haven’t cared about Rey since he got to WWE.

I was a huge fan of bis in WCW though. Good hod was that man incredible. Must see.

I don’t care about the Mysterios at all though, and his mediocre ass kid does nothing for me.

Not that JD has been lighting the world on fire, but ai was interested in seeing where it went, especially after the Ripley addition.

But I’d be interested in this program if this bit with Dominick turns out to be a red herring, and Edge pulls a swerve, in some “lesson 2, sacrifices must be made” type shit

He’s already flip flopped his character a thousand times, so it’s not going to hurt him, and I think the greater good is served by fixing Vince’s mistake. I thjnk turning on Rey would have some weight to this JD thing, because I think those three are dead in the water without more time to bubble next to Edge.

I could be wrong though. I just don’t see how this current program serves anyone, and I think that’s the best outcome for everyone.

  

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202. "Edge plus JD was money"
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They had swag with Edge that Finn Balor just can’t carry.

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203. "it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention"
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he had new music, a new haircut, was speaking more deliberately, and settling into his OG role. I expected it to go for a long time and for him to barely wrestle, and for the first time I understood why they're so smitten with Damian Priest.

That they pulled the plug on it so abruptly is confounding.

Cold Truth is right. Balor is tapped on charisma. But Edge/Priest/Ripley/Dominic? That's something I could care a lot about and would even forgive the retconning.

  

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204. "RE: it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention"
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>he had new music, a new haircut, was speaking more
>deliberately, and settling into his OG role. I expected it to
>go for a long time and for him to barely wrestle, and for the
>first time I understood why they're so smitten with Damian
>Priest.
>
>That they pulled the plug on it so abruptly is confounding.
>
>Cold Truth is right. Balor is tapped on charisma. But
>Edge/Priest/Ripley/Dominic? That's something I could care a
>lot about and would even forgive the retconning.

Yep. Haitch can do whatever he wants and get good will from most of the reasonable crowd at this point. He's out here damn near on some 1997 blog/Fire Pro E league/Twitter fantasy booking shit right now. If not that, he's at least making unbelievably logical changes to the show that most fans his age would want and...get this...doing the one thing that I think Russo was decent at TRYING to do...he's making more people seem important. It sounds so easy, but it isn't.

I mean really...just wow. Dude is putting down a coherent main roster version of NXT B&G. How will it not work? Maybe folks gripe about the longer matches after a while but fuck those folks. Fast forward just like we were all doing with silly ass segments that had no merit.

But really..just look at this mfing Triple Haitch. Kevin Owens is killer again? Cool. Sami Zayn might drum up some strong sympathy when the Uces end up beating the shit out of him? That's what he do best! Nak vs WALTER? Yes please. Killer Karrion Kross and his fine ass wife are on the scene looking legit!? OKAY! Women are doing more good shit? And that's BEFORE Charlotte, Boss, and Naomi show up somewhere in the middle of it to make it even more crazy? Thanks sir.

That intro segment with Bayley went batshit in the best way really fast and I loved it. She's dope, the group is gonna do well, Iyo Sky is a party of a rassler and that brawl seemed properly chaotic vs the 'homogenized chaos' we've gotten a lot of for several years.

As for Balor...he looks GREAT but I want SOMETHING he does to work the right way damnit. JD got killed so quickly when they threw Edge out. But please know..overconfident jerk heel Balor in Bullet Club was a good time. Bad Luck Fale carrying his ass to the ring and all of that? Excellent. And him 'training' to fight Okada with him ducking the Rainmaker and being crazily proud of himself? Top end tomfoolery.

This JD super serious evil Balor with no Demon? Yeah, it doesn't work on me yet. Maybe Haitch can bring it on home/make it go better than Vince, Bruce, and them. I might not be the right one to ask tho! I believe in letting mfing Hunna Hearse Helmsley book a show as long as he's not wrestling on it 10-20 years ago. Since then? Dude has been Febrezing his ass off in WWE. Like for real...imagine WWE with no NXT B&G.

  

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208. "RE: it felt like an American Badass type of reinvention"
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>
>But really..just look at this mfing Triple Haitch. Kevin Owens
>is killer again? Cool. Sami Zayn might drum up some strong
>sympathy when the Uces end up beating the shit out of him?
>That's what he do best! Nak vs WALTER? Yes please. Killer
>Karrion Kross and his fine ass wife are on the scene looking
>legit!? OKAY! Women are doing more good shit? And that's
>BEFORE Charlotte, Boss, and Naomi show up somewhere in the
>middle of it to make it even more crazy? Thanks sir.
>

even AJ Styles getting a Raw main event legitimate win last night is just one match that can just bring him right back to legitimacy

  

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207. "it was allegedly going paranormal and he didnt want to be in that"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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211. "Punk back!"
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Solid 25 minute title match on regular TV, followed by Punk’s return. Crowd was hot the whole way.

  

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212. "RE: Punk back!"
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>Solid 25 minute title match on regular TV, followed by
>Punk’s return. Crowd was hot the whole way.

Yeah..they went in trying like hell to have a solid and 'honest' match. I think Jericho really needed a decent match and he knew it, so they tried to keep most of the shenanigans to the minimum. They couldn't help themselves and Jericho also needed to try to cheat at least a little so we get the little Sammy thing.

And I was hoping Punk was close. And I figured the reports of him limping around was Punk trying to be an old pro and working folks. So hopefully he's 'ready' for real cuz his presence makes me like all of those shows more.

  

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213. "and not a moment too soon"
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Moxley is fucking terrible, and im beyond ready for this to end

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214. "I think Triple H just knows more about wrestling TV than Vince "
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I think Hunter even admits that Vince is an elite promoter and businessman, but as far as programming a wresting show I don’t even think it’s a contest. What you’re witnessing is Triple H saving WWE TV.

They just surprised everyone with an unannounced Owens/McIntyre banger , part of a sequence that ate up 30 minutes of TV. All of it good.

Then Riddle came through with a surprise in person return to attack Rollins.

Like, you have the best players. Let the players play man. I’ve seen more good in the last month than I have in the last five years. And I don’t think I’m saying that because that’s what I just want to see, I think that’s actually true.

  

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215. "Drew Mac said wrestling 3 times in 1 sentence lol"
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Vince kicking the table at home

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216. "i dont think its necessarily know-how "
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i feel like HHH wants to win a wrestling war that VM didnt care about

VMs war was about progressively more Y2Y revenue, which is ultimately the name of the game i guess, but WWE was able to achieve that without people actually caring about the product. HHH seems like he cares more about people enjoying it than VM did.

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217. "We’re saying similar things but you may have said it better right here..."
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>
>VMs war was about progressively more Y2Y revenue, which is
>ultimately the name of the game i guess, but WWE was able to
>achieve that without people actually caring about the product.
>HHH seems like he cares more about people enjoying it than VM
>did.
>

If the company is going to make money and expand regardless why not make it good?

  

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218. "RE: We’re saying similar things but you may have said it better right ..."
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>
>>
>>VMs war was about progressively more Y2Y revenue, which is
>>ultimately the name of the game i guess, but WWE was able to
>>achieve that without people actually caring about the
>product.
>>HHH seems like he cares more about people enjoying it than
>VM
>>did.
>>
>
>If the company is going to make money and expand regardless
>why not make it good?

Right. Why not make it good if you can!? And they obviously can.

There's two things at play:

1. Fuck the podcasts, their bad faith takes, and the lazy talk about Raw and Nitro ratings. Believe this shit: A LOT OF PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO WRESTLING. NOW. TODAY. FOR REAL. Hell, the pods and lazy take folks wouldn't even have platforms if there weren't a lot of people somehow involved with watching wrestling. Now imagine this: if WWE makes a coherent set of programs that are obviously good, the bad faith folks are basically fucked. Or they're gonna have to work a lot harder to claim that everything sucks. And then, the attention and energy on rasslin would almost have to improve overall. And then, the content surrounding WWE (and others) becomes more 'supportive', the crybabies look even more like loser assholes who just want to poo poo everything, and you have WWE in position to do even better monetarily and in the court of public (or at least social media) opinion. AKA positive momentum is good and WWE could have lots of it.

2. If WWE gets regularly coherent and good, the AEW/NJPW/Impact/GCW/etcetera crew are going to have to step their shit up. A lot of those shows have gotten by on being try-hard alternatives to a WWE machine that was almost obviously not trying on a regular basis. Sure, the WWE's wrestlers are the shit and they can damn near carry any major show in spite of everything leading up to it. We talk about it here all the time: shaky build, decent to great shows.

But now? If WWE is gonna be good for real and not just for the big shows, AEW is gonna need another plan. They've been doing 'Hey! We're over here trying our asses off to make a good show! Look at these moves! Look at these new folks! Listen to these people saying stuff you can't say on WWE TV! Hey!'. But now? Now they really have to have it together/they can't coast on 'at least we're not bad in the same way WWE is when we do a bad show or two. We're trying at least!'.

  

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219. "THIS"
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>
>But now? If WWE is gonna be good for real and not just for the
>big shows, AEW is gonna need another plan. They've been doing
>'Hey! We're over here trying our asses off to make a good
>show! Look at these moves! Look at these new folks! Listen to
>these people saying stuff you can't say on WWE TV! Hey!'. But
>now? Now they really have to have it together/they can't coast
>on 'at least we're not bad in the same way WWE is when we do a
>bad show or two. We're trying at least!'.

dude, yes. Yes yes yes. I had the exact same thought last night.
I watched the Lashley/AJ match after my initial post and thought "there's no level of AEW that can compete with this really"

There's three guys as good as Lashley and AJ in AEW, that's Punk, Danielson, and MJF. WWE has about a dozen guys (and plenty of girls) at that tier...so if the shows are going to be this well put together consistently then Tony Khan is actually going to have to, ya know, book and not just coast on being "not WWE"

If I'm Tony Khan right now I'm talking to William Regal four hours a day about my TV shows.

  

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220. "I disagree with the idea that there is/has to be a "competition" tho"
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This isn't 1998 and viewers don't have to decide between either Coke or Pepsi anymore. All the shows, from Raw to NXT to Dynamite to Smackdown to Rampage are structured and scheduled so that no one has to compete for eye-balls. As of right today, there isn't really a "competition" for talent either. All the people that HHH is bringing back are wrestlers that AEW had opportunities to sign but didn't.

Hell, the only person at AEW whoever was jockeying for a "fight" was Cody, and he's back with WWE now.

I don't watch WWE all that much, but I don't have a rooting interest in any other federation putting together an action plan to put them out of business or whatever.

Otherwise, I'm glad to hear that WWE is creating more compelling matches and at least working to make the IC and USA titles mean something again. I agree that all Vince really cared about was the money from the TV deals and money from saudi Arabia. I think, short term, HHH is pushing the right buttons. I want to see if he's doing the same down the road after months ratings and earnings reports. But I hope that he continues to slowly and steadily make the product better.

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221. "if anyone's fanned those flames, it's been AEW "
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almost their entire identity has been

we feature WRESTLING (unlike those guys)
we say provocative things (unlike those guys)
we're in on the joke (unlike those guys)

I don't think we're in the midst of a war, I just think Khan needs to really work to establish a unique, AND GOOD, identity for AEW

  

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226. "That's... not really true"
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Lest we forget, WWE did it's best to try and kill AEW out the gate. The started broadcasting NXT live on Wednesday at the exact same time that Dynamite was going to air. They spent mid to late 2019 signing as much indie talent as they could, often just to keep them away from AEW. COVID altered the course a lot (and led to the WWE talent dumps throughout 2020 and 2021).

>I don't think we're in the midst of a war, I just think Khan needs to
>really work to establish a unique, AND GOOD, identity for AEW

Eh, I think they really just need their top guys to not be injured. The rest kind of falls in place.

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222. "William Regal and Phil!"
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Just try to class as much shit up as possible. I’m still over here loving OC’s pins by the way. He’s doing the Regal approved shits damn near every time. And he’s ‘working’ harder than before almost obviously. And he still gets some of his shit it but it’s less house showy in a good way without completely abandoning his thing.

Having their main people back will help a lot. But they need to make their weakest stuff stronger..again, gotta give the boo birds less to chew on. I’ve never heard so much moaning about rando undercard stuff not being good sometimes. I guess it was started during attitude era but it still wasn’t as absurd as it is now.

>>
>>But now? If WWE is gonna be good for real and not just for
>the
>>big shows, AEW is gonna need another plan. They've been
>doing
>>'Hey! We're over here trying our asses off to make a good
>>show! Look at these moves! Look at these new folks! Listen
>to
>>these people saying stuff you can't say on WWE TV! Hey!'.
>But
>>now? Now they really have to have it together/they can't
>coast
>>on 'at least we're not bad in the same way WWE is when we do
>a
>>bad show or two. We're trying at least!'.
>
>dude, yes. Yes yes yes. I had the exact same thought last
>night.
>I watched the Lashley/AJ match after my initial post and
>thought "there's no level of AEW that can compete with this
>really"
>
>There's three guys as good as Lashley and AJ in AEW, that's
>Punk, Danielson, and MJF. WWE has about a dozen guys (and
>plenty of girls) at that tier...so if the shows are going to
>be this well put together consistently then Tony Khan is
>actually going to have to, ya know, book and not just coast on
>being "not WWE"
>
>If I'm Tony Khan right now I'm talking to William Regal four
>hours a day about my TV shows.
>

  

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223. "AEW just needs its top guys back"
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it's been ass all summer w/o Bryan, Omega, Punk and MJF. push everybody else back into their proper slots as B and C level talent.

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224. "3 enjoyable weekly TV shows might not be as profitable"
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its hard for me to believe that after spending 20+ years analyzing how to best separate people from their money, at both a consumer and corporate level, that there is a win-win scenario that they just dont feel like doing.

i have to assume it's all part of the grand machinery

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225. "RE: 3 enjoyable weekly TV shows might not be as profitable"
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>its hard for me to believe that after spending 20+ years
>analyzing how to best separate people from their money, at
>both a consumer and corporate level, that there is a win-win
>scenario that they just dont feel like doing.
>
>i have to assume it's all part of the grand machinery

I went through a time of assuming that too. Like they had 'figured out' that shitty negative energy was somehow good and having a 'fanbase' be filled with people waiting to be mad about a segment, match, finish or whatever was a valuable tool to use to add juice to certain moments. AKA they could coast, let the negativity bubble up and then they could do a thing or two and act like they 'finally got something right'. IE: Daniel Bryan at Mania 30, Kofimania years later, Brock returning for the 38th time to cause havoc, paying attention to the women or slapping at least one black lady in an important spot and then pointing at themselves while they're doing it on some old 'maaaaaaaaan, look at that colored lady go! And look at us for booking this finish this way! We're so with the times! No 'cism here! Here's a clip of Tony Atlas and The Rock's daddy, Mark Henry, and Titus while we're on the subject'.

Now tho? I think Vince was basically doing what he wanted to see done at least the last 10-ish years. Then, he'd look at the graphs and metrics to confirm that his ideas were 'the right ones'. And, if some graph didn't look right, someone or something else had to take the fall, MAYBE they'd tweak some stuff, and then that would be that.

Or maybe even less than that..he'd look at the graphs, tie it to whoever was 'on top' at the time and then go from there only really worrying about the open, the main, the celeb match, and the main women's match. If stuff was down while an AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan had a belt, he'd say 'see? I told ya'll..people don't really care about those guys'. If stuff was up with any of the Shield guys or Brock, he'd be like 'look at that! What a man-oover!?'.

  

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227. "Punk v Moxley on Dynamite next week"
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fine with it because they can't get a belt off of Moxley soon enough

gotta think this means they'll get the Punk/MJF angle back on track right after and take that into All Out?

  

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228. "We can only hope"
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229. "I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for All Ou..."
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They technically don’t have anything for Page to do at All Out yet. Plus Punk explicitly called him out first during his promo. I don’t know how the match next week shakes out, but I think it leads to the three way.

Then, at All Out, Punk wins… only for MJF to return at the end of the show. Maybe even stomping him out and ruining his big win in Chicago.

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230. "RE: I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for Al..."
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>They technically don’t have anything for Page to do at All
>Out yet. Plus Punk explicitly called him out first during his
>promo. I don’t know how the match next week shakes out, but
>I think it leads to the three way.
>
>Then, at All Out, Punk wins… only for MJF to return at the
>end of the show. Maybe even stomping him out and ruining his
>big win in Chicago.

OR he shows up to help Punk win! And the heel Punk a lot of us have been waiting on starts in that way.

Count me as someone who thinks heel Punk is happening at some point and its gonna be grand. Killer heels can be a really good time...we know this.

  

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231. "RE: I think it’s likely they’re setting a three-way with Page for Al..."
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>OR he shows up to help Punk win! And the heel Punk a lot of us
>have been waiting on starts in that way.
>
>Count me as someone who thinks heel Punk is happening at some
>point and its gonna be grand. Killer heels can be a really
>good time...we know this.

Oh, that heel turn is coming. He laid even more groundwork last night. That promo directed on Moxley was fucking fire.

I just don't think you could pull off a Punk heel turn in Chicago. But I'd say there will definitely be heel Punk vs. guys like Kingston, Page, and even Wardlow. And possibly Omega.

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233. "My fantasy booking on the future Punk heel turn…"
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.
>
>Oh, that heel turn is coming. He laid even more groundwork
>last night. That promo directed on Moxley was fucking fire.
>
>I just don't think you could pull off a Punk heel turn in
>Chicago. But I'd say there will definitely be heel Punk vs.
>guys like Kingston, Page, and even Wardlow. And possibly
>Omega.

I was initially thinking they’d pull the heel turn at All Out, but I agree that Chicago is not the place for a Punk heel turn unless it’s against another SUPER over babyface like Bryan and he does the most dastardly thing we’ve ever seen. Short of that, it just won’t work in that city. But, if after that you go back to the MJF feud for the title, I would do a double turn at the next PPV.

I know, it’s Tony Khan, so I’m not holding my breath, but if anyone can have creative control over their booking and would love to do something like that, it’s those two guys. And if they pull it off, and they tweak the MJF character just enough to be a face w/o completely betraying the asshole that he is, it will be up there as a legendary double turn like Hart/Austin.

  

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232. "Crippled Kenny"
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It is a good old wrestling trick..guy has to take off for injury. Some are works. Some are shoot injuries.

But anyway, the hurt guy comes back and then has to contend with 'hey, I'm coming back from being hurt, yawl'. I pretty much love that storytelling as a general rule. Hacksaw Jim Duggan after getting burned in Midsouth. JYD getting blinded..also Midsouth. Ricky Steamboat doing speech therapy after Savage did the bell on the throat. Ric Flair's forever janky back after the plane crash. HBK's back too. Pretty much every 2000s wrestler who had to take off for the neck surgeries (Benoit, Austin, Edge, etcetera). Even scary stuff like Danielson's concussion history. I love it all cuz its an easy story to tell.

And now, Kenny is out here wrapped up, flubbing moves, holding his stomach and acting super blown up like he's doing motion capture for WWF WrestleFest, limping, wincing and shit all through even a six-man match, and yeah...all of that shit works on me. Barely getting off his finisher. I hope he does it for a while. I get that hating him is a business model in of itself and/or part of some people's identity (IE: I like old wrestling, Kenny is new wrestling so I must hate Kenny). But IDGAF about any of that agenda shit. If I enjoy it, I don't care if it happened yesterday, 50 years ago, 20 years ago, in Japan, behind my house in a thicket somewhere, WWE, Indy, wherever.



>Its mid-June and here we are:
>
>- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
>- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as
>shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help
>for real again? Aight.
>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.
>- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin
>HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9
>months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble.
>That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be
>WONDERFUL!
>- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at
>least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight?
>Ish?
>- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
>- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
>- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
>- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully
>that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and
>tan up for nothing!
>- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while,
>but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.
>
>I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening
>kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out
>Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his
>hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again,
>right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman
>again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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234. "yeah, I kinda forgot how much I love his wrestling, which is crazy"
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>And now, Kenny is out here wrapped up, flubbing moves, holding
>his stomach and acting super blown up like he's doing motion
>capture for WWF WrestleFest, limping, wincing and shit all
>through even a six-man match, and yeah...all of that shit
>works on me. Barely getting off his finisher. I hope he does
>it for a while. I get that hating him is a business model in
>of itself and/or part of some people's identity (IE: I like
>old wrestling, Kenny is new wrestling so I must hate Kenny).
>But IDGAF about any of that agenda shit. If I enjoy it, I
>don't care if it happened yesterday, 50 years ago, 20 years
>ago, in Japan, behind my house in a thicket somewhere, WWE,
>Indy, wherever.
>

Insanely athletic and strong as hell. I can’t help but think that if he was better at promos there wouldn’t even be a conversation about his wrestling style or “killing the business” or whatever. I’ve never connected with the Kenny character in whatever iteration it is in, but when the match starts I often feel like a kid again.

  

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236. "I mean you have Cornette still unwilling to forgive Omega"
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for having matches against kids and dolls. And he's hung up on Kenny's facial tics and pointing before he runs the ropes. Which are weird foibles but they don't outweigh Kenny's overall abilities as a performer.

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238. "Right, and stuff like this you could nitpick with anybody"
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And he's hung up
>on Kenny's facial tics and pointing before he runs the ropes.
>Which are weird foibles but they don't outweigh Kenny's
>overall abilities as a performer.

There’s always a couple things that can take you out of enjoying even the best wrestlers. Remember when Randy Orton would do the scoop slam but sometimes an opponent would stay on the ropes and he’d do it anyway without a human being in his hands? Used to bug the shit out of me… but not enough to not enjoy his matches. Randy’s great!

  

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237. "the irony is it's the best psychology he's demonstrated in AEW"
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if you suffer a traumatic injury and take a year to recover then, yea, you SHOULD come back out of shape and nervous

  

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235. "last night was the quarterly outlying Dynamite"
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so much more fun than anything theyve done in months, that it seems like someone new put the show together

real uninterrupted promos!

Callis and Jericho dont need to be on commentary anymore. JR was feisty last night and only Taz knew what to do with it. Callis and Jericho were either just screaming over him or letting it hang there. finally JR shut Callis up and popped the whole booth with "Are you crying Don?"

but beyond that and being bored by the main event i thought everything was good to great

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239. "This Punk discourse is tiresome"
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240. "I think they're trying to warm up an ice cold Hangman"
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everyone's all bent out of shape, including allegedly guys like Page and Kingston because they're marks for themselves despite never having really done anything.

Page sucks. He should be thankful Punk even thought to mention his name at all. That's good business, right? There is an unfulfilled rematch.

CM Punk can do no wrong and AEW should be thankful for every minute he's available. I can't wait until we get the penultimate Punk/MJF blowoff.

  

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241. "And I'm talking COLD"
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>everyone's all bent out of shape, including allegedly guys
>like Page and Kingston because they're marks for themselves
>despite never having really done anything.
>
>Page sucks. He should be thankful Punk even thought to mention
>his name at all. That's good business, right? There is an
>unfulfilled rematch.
>
>CM Punk can do no wrong and AEW should be thankful for every
>minute he's available. I can't wait until we get the
>penultimate Punk/MJF blowoff.

You haven't lied. He's absurdly cold. Like someone fucked up somewhere cold. Like they thought HE was hurt at some point too cold. I know sometimes a guy loses a belt and is just kinda done for a while but good lawd!

The innanet rumors COULD be mostly true cuz rasslers are humans and humans can be ridiculous at times. I mean...look around!

And who could pretend that Punk Couldn't burn himself out, rub some folks the wrong way with his opinionated whatnoteries, and/or be holding some very big old grudges that eventually boil over onto the show BECAUSE IT IS WRESTLING THAT SHIT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR FUCKING EVER. Shoot interviews, books, all of these docs..its been happening my whole lifetime whether I knew it or not. And before then too!

However, it could also be *Rihanna voice* work, work, work, work, work, work. And an elaborate as hell, self-aware, and e-fed level booked work at that. AEW has enough nerds to work all of this up.

Or it could be worked shoot, shoot working, and everything in between. I just hope they hold it together well enough to not fuck up and have Triple Haitch running all of this shit by 2025. The man has heart stuff! I don't want him having to run a company with 7 brands with 600 wrestlers!

I figure Punk getting hurt probably screwed up a bunch of stuff AEW thought they were about to do this summer no matter how it is going for real 'backstage', but I want to believe that they're about to have a boatload of fun with everyone at least somewhat back now. Crippled Kenny, concussed Dragon, heeling Punk, rehabbing Page, 'hey! I'm here too' Moxley/Jericho/Wardlow/Kingston, and a parade of good times on the undercard too? Keef/Swerve, Starks vs Hobbs, Hook doing a super slow build as he figures stuff out, Acclaimed, Ethan Page, etcetera.

And if they have something loading up for MJF too, even more fun is about to happen. We're gonna be sitting around looking at a coherent WWE with Cody coming PLUS a guns ablazing/balls to the walls/trying to not get WCW'd after a merger ass AEW? Shiiid, I like the sound of that.

Now if we could get ROH as its own thing so I can randomly geek out over CeClaudio, FTR, and a general purpose 'I wrestle really good and ROH is basically a bunch of that' crew too, we'd have a stew going for real. And don't even tell me how I'm missing New Japan stuff right now..I've seen like ONE G1 match this summer.

  

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242. "they tried to build him after the fact"
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i said at the time that they rushed it in service of a "moment", and thus it was hollow and short lived

people here sometimes scoff at the notion that getting guys over is almost solely about winning on tv over and over and over again, but its the truth

when wardlow was doing that he was a phenomenon. as soon as he started doing the "creative" shit he took the nestea plunge. similarly with page, its like they thought the story would justify his title reign, but he needed to be winning matches.

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248. "he made everyone at the kids table mad"
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so now "sources" have to paint him in a bad light

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243. "Hit Row might be one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in wrasslin"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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244. "RE: Hit Row might be one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in wrassli..."
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>

It’s the ‘bring folks back’ entity that most folks are least excited about probably.

At least Killer Kross is obviously dope with ONE physical altercation and some talking. And he didn’t have to look like a random minion enemy from God of War 3.

  

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246. "They were great with Swerve"
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Without him, I think they’ll sink like a rock. Last night was rough.

  

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251. "The dude from WWE's Most Wanted Treasures really thinks hes somethin"
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and its not super corny, which makes him very wrong.

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252. "Well he ain’t called Bottom Dolla"
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245. "My heart smiles for Sami Zayn"
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This whole Bloodline/Honorary Uce thing makes me smile basically every time. And not shockingly, they killed it when Sami finally talked to Roman. Of course. Just him using the word ‘Uce’ makes me laugh residually for like 5-10 minutes. And duh, Roman is the best with the faces. Coherent WWE is a blast.

>Its mid-June and here we are:
>
>- Jeff Hardy? Another DUI? Boo.
>- Maybe we get rescued from seeing the Hardy's on tour as
>shells of themselves for a while and MAYBE Jeff gets some help
>for real again? Aight.
>- Forbidden Door is coming, but it IS a mess, hella folks are
>hurt, and a few others look to be locked out via political
>shenanigans, which makes sense at some point when multiple
>companies and rasslers get involved in a show. I think it'll
>still be a good/fun show probably.
>- I'm gonna miss Punk no lie. But Cody being hurt fuggin
>HURTS! At least he went out with legendary banger. I hope 9
>months is really 4 or 5. Or just get him back for the Rumble.
>That MFer coming up through the floor at the Rumble would be
>WONDERFUL!
>- Roman Reigns is now on a Brock Lesnar-ish schedule but at
>least he's willing to wrestle on TV, so I guess that's aight?
>Ish?
>- Rollins is dope even with his joker character foolishness.
>- Montez Ford looks amazing. I hope his day is coming.
>- Sorry Cornette, but Riddle is pretty damn good too.
>- GUNTHER murdered Ricochet and has a title now. Hopefully
>that matters and he didn't move to the US, lose weight, and
>tan up for nothing!
>- I'm guessing Sasha and Naomi won't be back for a while,
>but..I kinda don't see how they don't end up back somehow.
>
>I wonder what the Summerfest main event will be. Its happening
>kinda early this year...late July IIRC. Will they drag out
>Roman vs Riddle? Will Edge show up out of nowhere and try his
>hand at the Tribal Chief? They're not doing Cena/Roman again,
>right? Right!? And they certainly aren't doing Brock/Roman
>again so soon, right!? Hey!? Right!?

  

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247. "He was awesome last night"
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Just him using the
>word ‘Uce’ makes me laugh residually for like 5-10
>minutes. And duh, Roman is the best with the faces. Coherent
>WWE is a blast.
>

The face Roman made when Sami said “we should do this more often” KILLED me. I heard the Curb theme playing in my head. He was clearly just talking to Sami cause he was lonely. All the people who worship him weren’t there.

Edit: oh man, I hope he joins up for a couple months, Roman treats him as his favorite, then he is on their Survivor Series team lol.

  

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249. "Owens/Zayn v Bloodline at, like, a December PPV is an ATM machine"
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250. "I think Haitch/WWE can mold Hangman a big-time star."
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I could be wrong about that.

I see him as a high-quality basket of ingredients, cooking with mediocre recipes.

From a conceptual standpoint, "Cowboy Shit" should be the most over thing in the business right now:

-Kicking ass
-Taking names
-Taking zero shit
-Standing up for the bullied, belittled

-Catching a vicious beatdown against unmanageable odds as a result of the doing all of the above

-Handing out badass receipts left and right in response

That's Cowboy Shit, IMO. That's all it is.

He's deceptively big, he can go in the ring, he's got a good look and a marketable gimmick, and he's ok on the mic. Could be better, but he's credible.

The formula for him to become a massive star seems so simple to me. It's a ridiculously basic blueprint. And I think if he was slotted as The Guy, and given a push according to that blueprint, he could live up to The Guy billing.

But maybe not. I've been in and out of these shows so much this year that I don't know any one particular narrative in great detail. But he's a guy I think could do well with a rocket and a simple "rules of Cowboy Shit" roadmap.

Right now I think he's a wasted opportunity, for himself and AEW.

  

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253. "RE: I think Haitch/WWE can mold Hangman a big-time star."
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>I could be wrong about that.
>
>I see him as a high-quality basket of ingredients, cooking
>with mediocre recipes.
>
>From a conceptual standpoint, "Cowboy Shit" should be the most
>over thing in the business right now:
>
>-Kicking ass
>-Taking names
>-Taking zero shit
>-Standing up for the bullied, belittled
>
>-Catching a vicious beatdown against unmanageable odds as a
>result of the doing all of the above
>
>-Handing out badass receipts left and right in response
>
>That's Cowboy Shit, IMO. That's all it is.
>
>He's deceptively big, he can go in the ring, he's got a good
>look and a marketable gimmick, and he's ok on the mic. Could
>be better, but he's credible.
>
>The formula for him to become a massive star seems so simple
>to me. It's a ridiculously basic blueprint. And I think if he
>was slotted as The Guy, and given a push according to that
>blueprint, he could live up to The Guy billing.
>
>But maybe not. I've been in and out of these shows so much
>this year that I don't know any one particular narrative in
>great detail. But he's a guy I think could do well with a
>rocket and a simple "rules of Cowboy Shit" roadmap.
>
>Right now I think he's a wasted opportunity, for himself and
>AEW.

Yeah, Cowboy is going to take some work to 'fix'. But it can damn well happen.

I don't love when wrestling tries to Febreze a guy's funky spots with a manager. Sure, there's times where 'having a mouthpiece' can REALLY work. But sometimes, there's more to it than that. IE: giving Daniel Bryan a manager wouldn't been a shitshow. Giving him the Miz? THAT turned out much better.

You've laid out a solid JYD/Stone Cold template for Cowboy. I don't love that wrestling now acts like if you're not some huge hoss, you can't just be the type who shows up at just the right time, kicks ass, and supplies limited shenanigans otherwise. I swear man..The Rock and Stone Cold were historically amazing in general so they're hard to use as 'templates', but WWE was REALLY GOOD at having them show up at just the right time to put a stop to some bullshit. That music would hit, Jim Ross would lose his shit, and Rock/SCSA would come out like 'yeah, bitches...I'm here for the exact reason you think I'm here. I'm about to put a stop this bullshit you've just suffered through. LFG'. And they'd do that shit even to come out and talk sometimes and IT STILL WORKED.

I'm not the right person to ask for a counterpoint on Trips cuz I think Haitch can make damn near anyone about as good as they're going to be. He's not a Paul E/ECW era level magician, but he obviously can look at someone and get what helps people and what doesn't. Or if he doesn't get it, he's clearly listening to people who do. Just seeing Sami Zayn be more of the best parts of what he can be is heart-warming for instance.

Even something as simple as him having elaborate signature moves kinda screws Cowboy over. It's hard to sneak up on someone with a Buckshot Lariat or even get it in super quickly without having the camera people help you out A LOT. And they've tried like hell to work them in, but its still what it is. Maybe they need a 'shotgun' lariat or something...where can get his shit off a little quicker.

  

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254. "I think Page was kinda just screwed by circumstances beyond his..."
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...control. The "What if...?" game is kind of pointless, but I think his reign and character would have fared better if things had gone as planned and Page doesn't get to feud with a heel Moxley after Full Gear '21. Instead, Moxley has to go into rehab (which he clearly needed), and Danielson becomes the #1 contender instead.

I think fighting Moxley as his first defense out the gate would have built up some cred for Hangman. No one could have reasonably expected that Moxley would win, and they would have had some solid slobberknockers that ended up with Page looking bonafide.

Replacing Moxley with Danielson turned out to be a curse. I don't think anyone figured that Danielson would be THAT great as a smarmy, arrogant heel who treated Page like he was truly beneath him. So much so that even during their first 60-minute match, you couldn't help but think, "Damn, maybe they should just put the belt on Danielson?"

After a lengthy title chase, that initial foil is just important. AEW needed some sort of version of Mick Foley, who could look like a threat but still be fated to loose and come out unscathed.

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255. "Yeah, they hadn’t built up enough heels to go against him"
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Who were the heels he faced? I think Lance Archer popped back up for his semiannual title loss. Then there was the battle of the Adams lol. I feel like he shoulda been challenged by Jericho pretty soon after winning given that Jericho beat him to win the title in the first place. The match may not have been great, but the story could’ve been.

More than anything, I think the delayed title win was what hurt him. Supposedly he had to miss All Out due to the birth of his child, so obviously that takes precedent, but those 2 months took a lot away from his momentum. I think he faced a similar problem that babyface MITB champs have when they win the title. Like it’s a cool moment, but then you’re constantly trying to justify why you have the title. Big E got like 6 months as champ, but it never truly felt like he was on top. Liv Morgan is going through the same now.

  

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256. "Also lol @ this"
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https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1561749372752240640?s=20&t=W1buZkgIEoAou9Uio9Fo5Q

  

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257. "Brian Cage would've been a good "opponent of the week""
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He was technically the last person to beat Hangman in a singles match before he won the title. The last time Cage had been on TV was during his unfortunate babyface run, which benefited Starks and Hobbs, but didn't do him any favors. He apparently wasn't very popular in the locker room, but they could have brought him back as legit threatening heel. Have him jump Page for a week or two, then lose in a Dynamite main event.

>I feel like he shoulda been challenged by
>Jericho pretty soon after winning given that Jericho beat him
>to win the title in the first place. The match may not have
>been great, but the story could’ve been.

Jericho would've been a good choice, but he was a face at the time. And caught up in the pointless America's Top Team/Dan Lambert feud, which should have ended after Full Gear, but I think kept dragging on. At least the initial months of the eventual feud with Kingston was good.

>More than anything, I think the delayed title win was what
>hurt him. Supposedly he had to miss All Out due to the birth
>of his child, so obviously that takes precedent, but those 2
>months took a lot away from his momentum.

I agree with this. That would have been the right time switch belts. All Out turned out to be an all-timer PPV, partly because of the dual debuts of Cole and Danielson, but it would have been a logical and great time to switch. And the months long lay-off indeed did him no favors.

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258. "I came into Raw late last night, and was just blown away til the end"
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I came in right at Owens/Gable, a great and pretty athletic match that made Owens look like a major star in front of a hugely partisan Canadian great. So great.

Then Gargano comes out. He does business with Theory. Why Theory? Oh, there's history there. Superb. This match should eventually kick all of the ass.

Then the main event of Priest/Edge. Edge in Canada flag trunks complete with Calgary Hitmen logo, I'm so there. Edge makes Priest look like a million dollars. Also, shoutout to Priest for the Scott Hall inspired trunks too. Damian Priest should turn on charisma vacuum Balor next and just be the Judgment Day himself, go beat Lashley and become a star.

I'm sorry to come in here every Tuesday so enthusiastic about Raw for the past month but it's just been so simple, obvious, and powerful for these last four weeks.

  

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259. "The Way was FANTASTIC"
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>Then Gargano comes out. He does business with Theory. Why
>Theory? Oh, there's history there. Superb. This match should
>eventually kick all of the ass.

JG being a delusional chickenshit heel. Theory being the best dumb version of himself and getting kidnapped by Lumis.

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272. "RE: I came into Raw late last night, and was just blown away til the end"
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>I came in right at Owens/Gable, a great and pretty athletic
>match that made Owens look like a major star in front of a
>hugely partisan Canadian great. So great.
>
>Then Gargano comes out. He does business with Theory. Why
>Theory? Oh, there's history there. Superb. This match should
>eventually kick all of the ass.
>
>Then the main event of Priest/Edge. Edge in Canada flag trunks
>complete with Calgary Hitmen logo, I'm so there. Edge makes
>Priest look like a million dollars. Also, shoutout to Priest
>for the Scott Hall inspired trunks too. Damian Priest should
>turn on charisma vacuum Balor next and just be the Judgment
>Day himself, go beat Lashley and become a star.
>
>I'm sorry to come in here every Tuesday so enthusiastic about
>Raw for the past month but it's just been so simple, obvious,
>and powerful for these last four weeks.

Its okay. Coherent WWE is the best..no doubt.

  

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260. "Man AEW is a wreck"
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Imagine betting your whole farm on Jon Moxley

Punk is either not healed up yet or actually is as disgruntled as the internet says

What a mess. This shit was POPPIN in January. It’s a disaster.

  

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Before putting the title back on Punk at All Out. It’s a little cheap, but it works for me.

  

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I just think “Did Punk come back to early?” is a more intriguing angle than whatever they were trying for last week.

  

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264. "RE: Man AEW is a wreck"
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>Imagine betting your whole farm on Jon Moxley
>
>Punk is either not healed up yet or actually is as disgruntled
>as the internet says
>
>What a mess. This shit was POPPIN in January. It’s a
>disaster.

I’m not sure what they’re doing. But I’m guessing that’s what they want for some reason.

This next PPV is still looking like a good ass time is coming even if Punk somehow isn’t there. And I have a hard time buying that Punk won’t be there to do SOMETHING. But again, I can’t even pretend to know. It could be anything with these folks.

Sign me up for Ospreay/Kenny in any format. Will is physically out of this world and big fun to watch in moderate doses.

  

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265. "In a certain sense, they may be becoming Vince’s WWE of the last few y..."
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>
>This next PPV is still looking like a good ass time is coming
>even if Punk somehow isn’t there. And I have a hard time
>buying that Punk won’t be there to do SOMETHING. But again,
>I can’t even pretend to know. It could be anything with
>these folks.

i.e. the weekly shows are whatever, but the PPVs are almost always dope. I’ll still watch Dynamite weekly cause they can throw some crazy matches at you randomly, but Rampage I really only check out if there’s a match my friends are raving about.

>
>Sign me up for Ospreay/Kenny in any format. Will is physically
>out of this world and big fun to watch in moderate doses.

If they both stay healthy, we’ll for sure get this singles match at some point. Also, as much as I don’t like Ospreay the human being, he as a wrestler is just at a God level right now. He had such a great G1 that I found myself disappointed he didn’t win the finals, and I’ve never rooted for him ever. Okay

Also, the knock on him for a while was “Sure he can wrestle, but where’s the storytelling and psychology?” He’s pretty much silenced those criticisms the last couple years, and, in my mind, he’s become one of the best storytellers in the game.

  

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270. "yeah, that might be it"
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>
>>
>>This next PPV is still looking like a good ass time is
>coming
>>even if Punk somehow isn’t there. And I have a hard time
>>buying that Punk won’t be there to do SOMETHING. But
>again,
>>I can’t even pretend to know. It could be anything with
>>these folks.
>
>i.e. the weekly shows are whatever, but the PPVs are almost
>always dope. I’ll still watch Dynamite weekly cause they can
>throw some crazy matches at you randomly, but Rampage I really
>only check out if there’s a match my friends are raving
>about.
>
>>
>>Sign me up for Ospreay/Kenny in any format. Will is
>physically
>>out of this world and big fun to watch in moderate doses.
>
>If they both stay healthy, we’ll for sure get this singles
>match at some point. Also, as much as I don’t like Ospreay
>the human being, he as a wrestler is just at a God level right
>now. He had such a great G1 that I found myself disappointed
>he didn’t win the finals, and I’ve never rooted for him
>ever. Okay
>
>Also, the knock on him for a while was “Sure he can wrestle,
>but where’s the storytelling and psychology?” He’s
>pretty much silenced those criticisms the last couple years,
>and, in my mind, he’s become one of the best storytellers in
>the game.

It was almost like people went into AEW thinking 'well, they have money and they don't have Vince. They'll obviously be able to put on killer shows all the time'. And then, we found out what we should've already known..there's a lot of ways to mess up the weekly shows! You need to do matches good enough to make people want the big events. But you can't totally give away every big deal thing you've got every week or you're going to burn through your roster and your stories.

And Will? Yeah, I dare not assume anything personally about any of these folks on my TV, so I'm just looking at the rasslin. Maybe that's the one good thing I got from Chris Benoit being somewhere around my favorite wrestler from like 1999 through him losing to Orton at Summerfest 2004 and then falling down the card.

Back to Will O...dude has gained good weight while still being ignorantly athletic. He's not huge but he looks good. And he mixes the 'flipping' that some of the bad faith folks love to hate on reflex for like with some stuff that FUCKING HITS. He does the ECW Jerry Lynn Memorial beginning of the match reversal sequences amazingly. You never know what in the hell he's gonna show himself as being able to do physically in the constructs of a match. He's just out of hand when he's rolling well and even kinda sorta had a decent dance partner. It is fun to see people grow in their gigs. Will has damn well done that. And he's more crisp than someone like current day Pentagon and even last night, you could see it.

And again, him vs Crippled Kenny is a great time waiting to happen.

  

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273. "ill go a step further than that"
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i actually would prefer knowing absolutely nothing about any of these people other than whats on TV

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274. "re: Ospreay - i can already tell"
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hes going to do some things i love, some things i hate, and some things that just have me scrolling thru my phone while its on

hes actually done some of all 3 already. he can clearly work, and by that i mean the nuances of making it engaging on a personal level. but OTOH, getting in the ring with the Lucha Bros is gonna bring out a side of him thats not interesting to me.

also seems like he can talk and make that feel genuine, which matters a lot more to my weekly enjoyment than just about anything else. i even appreciate his ridiculous ring attire.

one of the ironies of AEW is that i think he could truly get over beyond just this crowd, but not by doing what this crowd sometimes seems to want guys to do.

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266. "It’s a work. I don’t buy the “Punk is disgruntled” line for a se..."
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About a month he was at ComicCon shilling HARD for the company and selling the ankle injury. And now we’re supposed to believe that he’s been disgruntled for months and is ready to leave? Nah.

For the record, I think that it’s dumb, because I FUCKING HATE WORKED SHOOTS, but I’d still put money on it being a work.

Plus, there’s no way they run a Chicago show without Punk. My guess is that he’s back in the mail even of All Out next week. Possibly with Page involved too.

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267. "Same. I’m sure he can be grumpy sometimes"
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>About a month he was at ComicCon shilling HARD for the
>company and selling the ankle injury. And now we’re supposed
>to believe that he’s been disgruntled for months and is
>ready to leave? Nah.

But I can’t buy that he’s looking for a way out already lol. And I don’t buy that he was so angry about a vague reference to the Cabana situation that he refused to lose to Page (which I don’t think was ever on the table anyways). He’s on top and getting the money and respect he felt he deserved in WWE.

I even think the reports lately that there are TONS of disgruntled workers in the AEW locker room are highly exaggerated.

>
>For the record, I think that it’s dumb, because I FUCKING
>HATE WORKED SHOOTS, but I’d still put money on it being a
>work.

I wouldn’t say I hate worked shoots, they just have to be done right and imo it’s best if they’re used sparingly. They’re being done all the time now (not just in AEW), and I don’t think enough care or planning is being put into them. I think the Charlotte/Becky feud toed that line well, but most recent worked shoots are eye-roll worthy and the frequency of their use really runs the risk of turning the audience off.

  

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268. "what a deflating experience "
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that whole show was a mess

now Rosa's out too, so instead of a straight match at the PPV its a 4 way fuck fest that seems to exist solely to create a new thing between jamie hayter and Britt baker, and Hikaru Shida came out to crickets.

sonjay dutt announces that Jay Lethal's teammates will be the MCMG! awesome, cmon out guys! ...guys? like...wtf. the television version of a ruined orgasm.

the Billy-Colton match was fucking awesome, and Colton's "I did it!" after all the cheating was perfectly Owen Hart-esque. then they ruined it with unnecessary nonsense and a terrible setup for a PPV match. the newly minted babyface Acclaimed need to be saved by a team that comes out carrying their belts (because this all fake, dont forget!). then they get an extremely patronizing title shot despite not winning a straight tag match for months on television because the champs have some vague affinity for them. wow...hot angle...

and Jericho. this dude is a total heat sink, lowering the temperature of everyone who comes into contact with him, and the sports entertainment thing stopped being funny in the 20th century.

this booking is a mess. i cant bring myself to care about how well a fake sport is performed as an academic exercise, and after last week i thought things were gonna heat up a bit. silly me i guess.

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271. "RE: what a deflating experience "
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At its worst, the AEW women are booked kinda like the worst WWE booking: they don't show their work, the same people are constantly interacting until it is tough to stay into it, they send people on jobbing tours and kill them off, and other people get put on moth balls for months. And then the 'return' doesn't work because of course it doesn't. Shida SHOULD be viewed really well but she's not and it isn't really on her.

So, if you're not Britt or someone who is POTENTIALLY special like Jade, you're kinda up a creek/the booking isn't going to 'make' you. You're kinda stuck having to 'make' yourself. And a bunch of them fall into the range of 'decent but not great' as it relates to the in-ring work so they can't save themselves in the ring like the best WWE people, who have been Febrezing some shaky booking for like forever.

Besides that, I lust after Jamie Hayter like nobody's business and I enjoy everything she does. I can't help myself and I don't try to. Red Velvet too. There's others and, in general, this era of wrestling is a treasure trove of attractive women.

>that whole show was a mess
>
>now Rosa's out too, so instead of a straight match at the PPV
>its a 4 way fuck fest that seems to exist solely to create a
>new thing between jamie hayter and Britt baker, and Hikaru
>Shida came out to crickets.
>
>sonjay dutt announces that Jay Lethal's teammates will be the
>MCMG! awesome, cmon out guys! ...guys? like...wtf. the
>television version of a ruined orgasm.
>
>the Billy-Colton match was fucking awesome, and Colton's "I
>did it!" after all the cheating was perfectly Owen Hart-esque.
> then they ruined it with unnecessary nonsense and a terrible
>setup for a PPV match. the newly minted babyface Acclaimed
>need to be saved by a team that comes out carrying their belts
>(because this all fake, dont forget!). then they get an
>extremely patronizing title shot despite not winning a
>straight tag match for months on television because the champs
>have some vague affinity for them. wow...hot angle...
>
>and Jericho. this dude is a total heat sink, lowering the
>temperature of everyone who comes into contact with him, and
>the sports entertainment thing stopped being funny in the 20th
>century.
>
>this booking is a mess. i cant bring myself to care about how
>well a fake sport is performed as an academic exercise, and
>after last week i thought things were gonna heat up a bit.
>silly me i guess.

  

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275. "i mean, they do the men the same way kinda "
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and its always with people i like. starks, hobbs, the acclaimed, pillman. and while i still firmly reject the idea that its benign because they have the personality to withstand it (opportunity cost), they DO have the personality to endure it and still have some crowd support when they come back.

but the "showing their work" part as you put it is critical.

they didnt do it for Hangman and now hes an ice cube. they didnt do it for the acclaimed and now im concerned about their post PPV prospects (why not just do a straight tag match vs the gunns? 😒). they did an okay job for Rosa before she took the belt, but blew it afterwards. they did a great job for Wardlow, and then post MJF havent fed it the sustenance he needs.

and on the opposite side you have FTR, with entire notebooks full of work they just absolutely refuse to put a bow on. no one will ever convince me the EVPs arent involved with that btw.

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276. "Everybody loves the Acclaimed"
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If I'm hitting fast forward and I see The Acclaimed, I rewind quicker than basically anybody on any wrestling show. I'm not missing ANY raps, ANY interviews, ANY matches. NOT NONE OF IT. And the crowd buys them. They could totally give them the titles next weekend and nobody is gonna bat an eye (unless they're crying).

I'll expand it: I HOPE THEY WIN. I want those championship raps. I want them showing up on people out of nowhere with raps and challenges. If they were to win, they'd be viewed like champs who aren't actually the best team...kinda like Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus. The difference: people love the shit out of them, they can talk, and their work is tighter/easier to replicate with multiple opponents. So any title defense would be a thing that people would want to see. And because people would assume they're gonna lose whenever they take on a 'bigger name' team, it could be even more fun and valuable to them and AEW if they keep 'defying the odds' and retaining for several months before eventually getting cheated or taken down. And again, the championship raps!

And shit, if FTR isn't winning the AEW belts because they're too busy being the champs elsewhere, we wouldn't even have to cross THAT bridge for a while. I'm sorry...or if FTR isn't winning because the Bucks are blocking them! Haha. Maybe its true. Maybe its not. And Cornette hates them cuz they flip too much for his taste and some story about plane tickets and backstage whining/bullshit from like 15 years ago. Cornette should be better than that but he's making too much to keep the same story rolling forever so here we are.

Eye rolls aside, Corny is right to love FTR cuz they're good as hell rasslers who don't need to dress up shaky wrestling with aerial feats.

And they're so good at the sneaky stuff. A thing that Cornette pointed out that I noticed even more afterwards? Those mfers are pretty much ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. It is amazing really. It is jarring when you see tag teams who aren't as good at it and how much it can throw things off. A lot of younger teams catch hell with it. Even the Lucha Bros are spot to spot with their shit too. Sometimes, they're perfect. Other times, they're way late or early and it is super obvious because of how much elaborate stuff they're constantly attempting to do.


>and its always with people i like. starks, hobbs, the
>acclaimed, pillman. and while i still firmly reject the idea
>that its benign because they have the personality to withstand
>it (opportunity cost), they DO have the personality to endure
>it and still have some crowd support when they come back.
>
>but the "showing their work" part as you put it is critical.
>
>they didnt do it for Hangman and now hes an ice cube. they
>didnt do it for the acclaimed and now im concerned about their
>post PPV prospects (why not just do a straight tag match vs
>the gunns? 😒). they did an okay job for Rosa before she
>took the belt, but blew it afterwards. they did a great job
>for Wardlow, and then post MJF havent fed it the sustenance he
>needs.
>
>and on the opposite side you have FTR, with entire notebooks
>full of work they just absolutely refuse to put a bow on. no
>one will ever convince me the EVPs arent involved with that
>btw.

  

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277. "I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble"
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But it’s got nothing to do with that. Rumor was the title was supposed to go on the Hardys until Jeff’s DUI. The Bucks were subbed in as a transition to Swerve in our Glory (a tag team name as embarrassing as anything WWE has come up with lol). As much as I would’ve enjoyed Bucks-FTR 2, the plan was always for the Bucks to do this trios stuff.

Also, whatever you think about the Bucks, refusing to lose to another team has never been part of their reputation. That doesn’t sound like them at all. There’s plenty of things to dislike about them without inventing stuff. Remember when people were mad that the Bucks and Kenny lost too much in the first year of the company?

  

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278. "RE: I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble"
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>But it’s got nothing to do with that. Rumor was the title
>was supposed to go on the Hardys until Jeff’s DUI. The Bucks
>were subbed in as a transition to Swerve in our Glory (a tag
>team name as embarrassing as anything WWE has come up with
>lol). As much as I would’ve enjoyed Bucks-FTR 2, the plan
>was always for the Bucks to do this trios stuff.
>
>Also, whatever you think about the Bucks, refusing to lose to
>another team has never been part of their reputation. That
>doesn’t sound like them at all. There’s plenty of things
>to dislike about them without inventing stuff. Remember when
>people were mad that the Bucks and Kenny lost too much in the
>first year of the company?

Yeah. Some people can't deal when these guys have jobs backstage. 'They're abusing their power' is too easy of a lie to tell on people in those situations. And, in the past, there's been times where it wasn't exactly untrue with high profile guys.

And Kenny? Man, he came out there and worked hella hurt for a long while and made sure to heel up to the max on his way to trying to help Hangman's story work (it ain't his fault that Punk showed up, Page messed around and had to take off to have a kid, etcetera). He laid down for Christian Cage on the first Rampage too yes? I REALLY don't understand the hate for his in-ring stuff. OF COURSE he is better with better opponents. Lots of people are!

As for the Bucks in the ring? I'm pretty much down with them and I don't really understand the passionate disdain some have for that part of what they do. At worst, they could get a little out of hand with the naked kick-outs (vs pin breakups). But really? That was an industry issue for a while...especially with the smaller guys. I've always considered their tag team work and tandem offense to be pretty glorious most of the time. And they have slamming matches on their recent record too. They laid down shenanigan-free for FTR as they were heating up too.

  

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279. "RE: I hate to burst everyone’s Bucks-hating bubble"
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People seem to forget in the tournament to crown the first ever tag champions the Bucks lost to Private Party in the first round.

People were pissed that they lost so much in the beginning.
People are pissed when they win.

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269. "Acclaimed getting a title shot and Trios is lit"
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It ain’t all bad but the Mens and Womens title is a mess rn

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281. "wouldn't it be gold if after like 15 years they gave Sheamus one"
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282. "Hope Big E heals up so he can get his last name back."
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283. "there are a half dozen people involved in the title picture"
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not all are championship contenders themselves, but...

just attached to Reigns right now look how deep the list is

Reigns
Jimmy + Jey Uso
Kevin Owens
Sami Zayn
Karrion Kross
Drew McIntyre

you could go anywhere with this. This is superb.

  

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I was resigned to the fact that KO would never get one of the big titles again, but now? I can absolutely see it happening.

  

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285. "Watched Raw last night… what a treat Chad Gable is"
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Eternal respect for surviving the Shorty G gimmick. Set up to fail, yet he refused to. And now he’s got a gimmick that is fun as hell. I hope he gets a BIG push under the Aitch regime.

  

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286. "RE: Watched Raw last night… what a treat Chad Gable is"
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>Eternal respect for surviving the Shorty G gimmick. Set up to
>fail, yet he refused to. And now he’s got a gimmick that is
>fun as hell. I hope he gets a BIG push under the Aitch
>regime.

I wish Jason Jordan could magically heal and return as the '3rd' member of American Alpha. But he's allegedly bigtime messed up with his neck and related arm/hand issues.

Until then, yeah..Chad is doing good work. I should've known Kurt coming back was a vehicle for hella 'shushing' to go on. I enjoyed it all.

I'm glad Kurt didn't try to do anything coming off of double knee surgery. He didn't even do the turn and bounce thing when he got in the ring. I was like 'look at Perc showing some restraint!'.

  

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287. "Man if Mox is the AEW MVP then Dax gotta be Sixth Man or something "
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Yet another damn banger from him.

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288. "RE: Man if Mox is the AEW MVP then Dax gotta be Sixth Man or something "
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>Yet another damn banger from him.

Yep. Dax has been on a ROLL!

AEW is supposed to be a 'good matches' company, right? Of course, they have found out that you need characters and stories to go with those 'good matches', 'dream matches', and all of that.

They've been AMAZINGLY FORTUNATE with the talent they've been able to add to their original roster: Jericho, Ambrose, The Elite, Brian Cage, about 6 'good match' wrestlers, and then a slew of varying levels of 'indy folks'. They started with a solid set of varied women too if I'm remembering correctly..especially considering they came out of nowhere.

But now? If someone would've shown the current roster to the average rasslin fan who even kinda sorta watched some wrestling in the last 5 or 6 years? I think people would've been excited about it..especially from the middle and up. Hell, I wonder if people would've even believed it?

And even with WWE contributing heavily to that roster, we're getting to the place where WWE has some people who they can have beat Roman Reigns with a straight face. Drama and tomfoolery aside, things still seem to be in a really good place.

AND Haitch is trying to sneak us back into a B&G NXT!? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.

  

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cgonz00cc
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289. "i fucking hate Sammy in all ways at the same time"
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the good ways, the bad ways, and because he could honestly be great if he didnt wrestle like an idiot when left to his own devices.

like, halfway between Rick Rude and Honky Tonk Man at cruiserweight

Moxley just got a great match out of him. A contender for the best Moxley match Ive ever seen, and i found myself legit pulling for him to the point that i got hot at Sammy's Skanks™
for their interference. Not that they "should" have, but they couldve made that a finish and done something with it if they arent giving Mox the belt

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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290. "RE: i fucking hate Sammy in all ways at the same time"
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>the good ways, the bad ways, and because he could honestly be
>great if he didnt wrestle like an idiot when left to his own
>devices.
>
>like, halfway between Rick Rude and Honky Tonk Man at
>cruiserweight
>
>Moxley just got a great match out of him. A contender for the
>best Moxley match Ive ever seen, and i found myself legit
>pulling for him to the point that i got hot at Sammy's
>Skanks™
>for their interference. Not that they "should" have, but they
>couldve made that a finish and done something with it if they
>arent giving Mox the belt

Yeah. I aaaaalmost wanted Sammy to at least make the finals for the chaos of it all. But it seems pretty clear that AEW wants to, at least for now, do a 'here's the adults..front and center' type of thing.

And I can buy that if the deal is to get things on the rails before going into MJF-related shenanigans and chaos. MJF basically has a non-faction faction so he can be his own thing until he needs help as a plot device. I think I prefer that to 'here's a new group of people who are sooooooo amazing and great, yawl! Trust us! They're the best! *insert faction slogan/hook/catchprase here*'.

  

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