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he was only in Detroit for one year
Milwaukee definitely grew him, but not Jrue.
I wonder if this writer considers the Clippers a super team with a healthy Kawhi, or does it HAVE to include a third superstar.
>>(KD Steph and Klay and Dray did just fine as a superteam >>until the injuries, if KD Harden and Kyrie were all vaxed >and >>healthy, I think they win the title, if the Lakers were all >>healthy, they win a playoff series at the very least.. even >>with Westbrook being what he is) >> >>(does Miami count as a superteam? or just a bunch of really >>good players?) >> >> >>https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33719050/lessons-brooklyn-nets-controversy-filled-season-superteam-era-over >> >>KYRIE IRVING'S OPENING act in Brooklyn was marred only by >>slick footing. It was the final possession of his first >>regular-season game -- Oct. 23, 2019 -- against the >Minnesota >>Timberwolves. With 50 points already in the bank and the >crowd >>roaring in anticipation, Irving dribbled opposite Josh >Okogie >>with the game hanging in the balance, before slipping and >>performing an aerial cartwheel, falling but maintaining his >>dribble. He immediately popped back up and nearly drained an >>off-balance winning fadeaway at the buzzer. >> >>The Nets lost the season opener, but electricity coursed >>through Barclays Center. Brooklyn had its first bona fide >star >>in his prime suiting up for the Nets, one who would record >>point totals of 50, 39, 37 and 33 over his first 11 games >>before being sidelined by a shoulder impingement. >> >>Yet talent comes with cost, especially with Irving. League >>sources say executives, coaches and players who were present >>during Irving's time in Cleveland and Boston shared with the >>Nets negative intel -- his unresponsiveness and truculence >>with coaches, his lack of self-awareness with teammates, his >>constant defiance of offensive game plans, his disinterest >in >>playing off the ball. But the Nets, multiple sources say, >knew >>that bringing Irving aboard was the cost of doing business: >No >>Irving, No Kevin Durant. >> >>To be sure, the Nets would be acquiring an otherworldly >talent >>to pair with Durant. For all of Irving's fickle behavior, >his >>production, shot creation and finishing ability have been >>among the league's best (11th in points per chance among 40 >>players with at least 7,500 shot attempts since 2013-14, >when >>Second Spectrum began tracking). >> >>But the Nets team he and Durant were joining was a paragon >of >>cohesion -- a team of castoffs, lower draft picks and >>reclamation projects who had overachieved and embraced an >>effort to build from the ground up. >> >>Over the next year, several of the linchpins of that culture >>would be dealt to acquire James Harden to form a superteam. >> >>By the time Harden grumbled his way out of Brooklyn, as he >had >>into Brooklyn, the vibe at the facility in Sunset Park was >>vastly different -- and the league took notice. Several top >>league executives assert that devising a strategy around >>chasing big-name stars doesn't hold the same appeal it once >>did. They've watched the likes of the Celtics in the Kyrie >>Era, and now the Brooklyn Nets, the Los Angeles Lakers and >-- >>for the time being -- the LA Clippers believe they could >>absorb superstars into their existing structures, only to be >>underwhelmed by the results. >> >>One unintended consequence of bringing in players like >Durant >>and Irving is that an upstart core often hears a pointed >>message that management doesn't entirely believe in what is >>being built, despite years of gospelizing the value of >>culture. As much as an organization might believe that >>arriving superstars will adapt to the team culture that >>preceded them, superstars often don't adapt to cultures; >they >>replace them. >> >> >>"Assembling a superteam is something very, very few >>organizations can do," one senior league executive says. >"And >>we're seeing that even fewer can actually pull it off >because >>superstars aren't enough -- it has to be the right >superstars >>in the right culture. What this current era of NBA >basketball >>is showing us is that going all-in -- whether it's with cap >>space or all of your loot -- to go acquire two or three of >the >>top talented players in the league and having either >>underperforming infrastructure or a complete lack of roster >>depth, you're doing nothing favorable for your >organization." >> >>No team serves as a more compelling study than the Nets, who >>are still looking for a sustained breakout as they scrap for >a >>playoff berth in the play-in tournament. The Lakers didn't >>even get that far. >> >>This postseason offers a referendum -- is the era of the >>superteam over? >> >> >>FEW PHENOMENONS DEFINE the era of player empowerment more >than >>the superteam. After decades of watching a bunch of >>functionaries move pieces around the chessboard, the >talented >>stars who drive the value of the NBA decided they would >>determine where they'd play and with whom they'd play. >> >>Two of those stars, Durant and Irving, opted to sign with >>Brooklyn when they hit free agency in 2019. Nabbing the duo >>required no recruitment, something Marks told the media in >the >>days following the signing. Durant and Irving intended to >play >>together somewhere. Durant said in 2019 he never even spoke >to >>the Nets before deciding to come to Brooklyn. >> >>The Nets team those superstars joined was a feel-good story. >>Capable NBA franchises sell either hope or success, and in >>2019, the Nets had given their fans plenty of the first with >>promises of the second. A team headlined by D'Angelo Russell >>(traded away by the Lakers after two seasons), Jarrett Allen >>(a late first-round pick in only his second year), Joe >Harris >>(acquired along with cash considerations for a second-round >>pick) and Spencer Dinwiddie (waived twice by the Bulls prior >>to the 2016 season) scrapped its way to 42 wins and a >playoff >>berth as the No. 6 seed. >> >>A young front office with Spurs alumnus Sean Marks at the >helm >>had finally shaken off the last vestiges of the disastrous >>2013 trade with the Boston Celtics that gutted the >>organization of its draft assets. Marks and head coach Kenny >>Atkinson helped transform the culture of one of the league's >>woebegone franchises. >> >>The Nets bowed out in the first round of the 2019 playoffs >>with a 4-1 series loss to the Philadelphia 76ers, a >dignified >>exit for a team that had won only 69 games during the >previous >>three seasons. Yet as pride coursed through this band of >>overachievers, a reality set in for the Nets' ownership and >>brass, sources say: Overachievers don't win NBA >championships. >>Achievers do. >> >>Enter the superstars. >> >>IRVING BEGAN HIS tenure as the lone superstar on the floor, >as >>Durant spent his first season with the Nets sidelined by a >>torn Achilles tendon suffered in the 2019 Finals. Irving >>ultimately played only 20 of the Nets' 64 games before >>undergoing season-ending surgery. NBA players typically >>operate with some degree of isolation from the team when >>working through rehab, but Irving and Durant had a bevy of >>medical specialists and personal trainers outside the team's >>purview that added to their sense of removal from the Nets, >>sources say. >> >>Atkinson had some difficulty managing the superstars from >>afar. According to multiple sources, the starting assignment >>at center became a source of internal strife, with DeAndre >>Jordan the preferred option for the vets, while Atkinson >>favored the blossoming Allen. Sources describe the situation >>as a proxy battle between the scrappy pre-2019 Nets and the >>new brand-name iteration. As much as the existing core in >>Brooklyn acknowledged that having transcendent talents would >>goose the offense, the cultural transition "bummed them out >a >>little," in the words of one source with knowledge of the >>locker room dynamic. >> >>Durant was initially impressed by his intel on Atkinson's >>approach to his coaching craft coming into Brooklyn, but as >>the Nets languished, sources say he was increasingly >>underwhelmed by the team's lackluster play. Though multiple >>sources with knowledge of the Nets' internal machinations >say >>that reports that Atkinson's firing in March 2020 was at the >>direct command of Durant and Irving are greatly exaggerated, >>the dynamics that led to Atkinson's demise in Brooklyn were >>informed in large part by the new composition of the roster. >> >>Admire him, loathe him, pity him or be confounded by him, >>Irving has been a very complicated piece in that >composition. >>One Nets source says it's not so much one single act that >>weighs on the team or organization, but rather Irving in the >>aggregate: "It's always something," irrespective of how >>productive he is when he suits up. >> >>Brooklyn's acquisition of James Harden, 18 months after >>signing Durant and Irving, was the ultimate Faustian >bargain. >>By trading away Jarrett Allen, who made the All-Star team >this >>season, and Caris LeVert, the team's 13th-ranked defense got >>1.4 points per 100 possessions worse and plummeted to 22nd. >>The Nets bowed out to Milwaukee in the conference >semifinals. >>Comparatively, the Nets' short-handed, seven-game effort >>against the Bucks without Irving for the final three games, >>and with Harden absent for Games 2, 3 and 4, might be the >>highlight of the Harden Era in Brooklyn. >> >>Sources say that much of the discontent between Harden and >the >>Nets started in September when he arrived into training camp >>out of shape. Durant had been understanding of Harden's >>predicament in Houston as a man in need of new scenery, but >>also tacitly expected his former teammate to commit himself >to >>conditioning and self-care when he came seeking a title in >>Brooklyn, according to a source close to both stars. With >>Irving's status already in flux due to his unwillingness to >>get vaccinated, Durant was astonished in the opening weeks >of >>the season at Harden's lack of explosiveness and sluggish >>play, something he attributed in large part to Harden's >being >>out of shape, as he did the ensuing hamstring issues. >> >>Harden, sources say, found Durant's slant grating and >>self-righteous. The two never resolved the conflict, and >there >>was little that teammates, coach Steve Nash or Marks could >do >>to mediate it. With each passing week, Harden became more >>isolated, with staff and teammates increasingly frustrated >by >>the static. The Nets ultimately excised him from the locker >>room in a blockbuster trade deadline deal with Philadelphia >>for Ben Simmons. >> >>The notion that Harden -- or Irving -- would find religion >in >>Brooklyn and embrace the culture when surrounded by >colleagues >>he respected now seems quaint. Culture can encourage a >>superstar, but it can't change him. To a superstar, culture >is >>merely a series of suggestions, not a list of imperatives. >> >>Above any one superstar's temperament, the overall ethic in >>Brooklyn has changed over the past two years. As one source >>inside the organization characterized it, the Nets have gone >>from a team for which decisions both on and off the court >were >>made in service to a conscious culture, to one where >decisions >>are made to please certain constituencies, be it star >players >>or ownership. Cardinal principles like accountability run >>second to the whims and preferences of stars like Irving, >>Harden and Durant. That trade-off can manifest itself in any >>number of smaller ways -- a softer defensive scheme >preferred >>by the stars, an ad-hoc offense or even availability to play >>-- and the biggest one: esprit de corps. >> >>Marks disagrees with this portrayal. "We have always >involved >>our key stakeholders at the appropriate times," he says. >"Our >>players are at the core of everything we do. They set and >>drive our culture, and receiving their input sometimes >allows >>you to see things from a different point of view. Ownership >>has been nothing but supportive of our decisions. >Personally, >>I love bouncing ideas off Joe ." >> >>Nevertheless, the superteam construction is a bargain that >has >>yet to pay dividends for the Nets, and they're not alone. >> >>GIVE THE LAKERS some credit: Unlike the Celtics of the >>mid-aughts and the Nets of today, they don't operate under >the >>pretense of "culture." In Lakerland, the superstars are the >>culture. The late Jerry Buss established the star system as >>the franchise identity decades ago, and the Lakers have >stayed >>true to it. Let the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat have >>their precious culture. Let them break bread and bask in the >>"Heat Way." We'll bank on talent. >> >>This year's model was no different, packed with five >surefire >>Hall of Famers, four of them 33 years of age or older. >Seduced >>again by brand names last summer, the Lakers demonstrated >>their institutional prioritization of superstars over >>cultural, as well as on-court, alignment. The team acquired >>Russell Westbrook in exchange for much of its depth and some >>of its grittier contributors. James was publicly defensive >>over his role in constructing the roster and voiced assorted >>veiled comments about Lakers management. Meanwhile, deposed >>coach Frank Vogel needed the permission of the front office >to >>bench Westbrook in the fourth quarter. The results were >>disastrous, as the joyless firm of James, Anthony Davis and >>Westbrook failed miserably. >> >>Yet it's not as if it hasn't worked before, lest we forget >>that they won a championship in Davis' first full season >after >>he pushed his way to the Lakers in 2019. And James has had >>plenty of success at his previous stops. >> >>His Miami and Cleveland teams boasted one crucial difference >>to the current Lakers -- and Nets -- squads: Despite their >>constructions as superteams, each featured at least one >>megastar who was indigenous to the organization. >> >>History shows that a superteam has a better chance to >succeed >>with an organizational anchor. The Big Three in Boston, >which >>presaged the Superteam Era, dominated the 2008 season, with >>Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen joining Paul Pierce, the Celtic >>product. The construction of the 2010-11 Miami Heat might >have >>been radical in assembly, but they had a strong mainstay in >>Dwyane Wade. As commanding as James was, he was not going to >>divert from the Heat Way, so long as Wade and Pat Riley were >>driving the bus. And when James eventually returned to >>Cleveland in 2014 and found a team that was far less >organized >>and more lackadaisical in its habits, James prescribed a >>healthy dose of the Heat Way. >> >>Though James left and returned, he was undoubtedly "of >>Cleveland," as was 2011 No. 1 draft pick Kyrie Irving. The >>2016 champion Cavs, like virtually every winner in recent >>memory, featured superstars native to their organization. >>Outside of the 2019-20 Lakers, no team comprising a core >>without a homegrown star as one of its two best players has >>won a title in more than 40 years. >> >>If the superstar is the culture, he better be the right >>superstar and, most important, a homegrown one. >> >>THE COMPOSITION OF the postseason field that tips off this >>weekend reveals an emerging truth about the NBA: Superteams, >>like the Nets and Lakers, are out. Homegrown squads -- with >>perhaps the strategic acquisition of a "final piece" -- are >>very much in. >> >>The Phoenix Suns tower over the rest of the league. The >>Memphis Grizzlies, almost an entirely homegrown roster, are >a >>decisive second. The Milwaukee Bucks enter the playoffs as >the >>incumbent champions whose blueprint was used to build >>something special. And the Boston Celtics staged a >second-half >>rally to vault themselves toward the top of the standings, >>with the East's best point differential by a wide margin. >The >>teams best equipped for success aren't those meeting with >>marquee free agents in July or trying to nab stars at the >>trade deadline in February, but are those that develop from >>within. >> >>The most recent dynasty, the Warriors, stands as the >ultimate >>prototype, as did the Spurs team Golden State dislodged as >>Western Conference champs. The Suns added a veteran star >point >>guard in Chris Paul to a strong youth movement he has >>mentored. Paul accelerated and refined a culture, but he >>didn't replace it. >> >>The Grizzlies' ceiling, with homegrown star Ja Morant, >hasn't >>yet been defined, but the sky is high in Memphis, which is >>offering a template in ground-up construction in which >>players, coaches and management collaborate in the building. >> >>Giannis Antetokounmpo presides in Milwaukee as one of the >>iconic leaders of his generation. Drafted as a teenager, >>Antetokounmpo grew up in the organization and stayed, in >large >>part, because he feels he has a piece of the enterprise he >has >>helped build. And if the Celtics win this postseason, it >won't >>be with Irving, Gordon Hayward or Al Horford on massive >>long-term deals, but with a starting five comprising their >>first-round picks in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and >journeyman >>Horford with only a single guaranteed season remaining on >his >>contract. >> >>Too often, the superteam requires an organization to sign >away >>custody of its culture to outsiders. And superstars, even >>those with the most blessed talent, are still outsiders. >They >>have egos to accommodate and brands to manage. Their >on-court >>preferences will supersede anything previously installed or >>valued, because dominant people dominate. >> >>The payoff increasingly doesn't justify the sacrifice. As >much >>as a superstar like James or Durant can survive in chaos, >>teams have much more trouble. The vagaries of the NBA season >>present countless pitfalls. In those moments, organizations >>must have some first principles to draw upon, even if >>superstars can rely on sheer talent. >> >>Yet free agency isn't a trend, it's a reality, and >superstars >>feel more empowered than ever to demand trades, even in the >>midst of a long-term contract. NBA teams, particularly those >>in glam markets, will forever be drawn to the max superstar >-- >>whether or not he warrants the max or is worth the trouble. >>Talent is alluring, and developing homegrown stars isn't >>easy. >> >>Brooklyn, the Clippers and the next team that lures a couple >>of marquee names from outside the franchise could win, and >win >>big. >>t >>But until that happens, the NBA's ma and pa shops are >>emboldened. If they want superstars, they'll grow their own. > >That's a quaint thought but not factual. Milwaukee didn't >"grow" Jrue and Middleton they traded for them. Nobody thought >Giannis would win a title in Milwaukee until he did. > >If KD's ego allowed him to stay with GS that super team is >still rolling. > >Pelinka fumbled the ball in LA with Russ and other personnel >decisions but they got it done in 2020. > >Up until a few months ago people were saying Boston was a >failure and their 2 stars needed to be broken up. > >Memphis and Phoenix are just cool stories until they actually >win it. Phoenix has major contract decisions coming up and >this is pretty much a title or bust season for them. > >The problem with a "homegrown" team be players contract >demands usually exceed their growth. The same reason Durant, >Westbrook and Harden were separated before they won even >though they did reach the Finals in 2012. >
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