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"2022 NBA play-off play-in post"


  

          

Tuesday:

Nets vs. Cavs

Wolves vs. Clippers


Wednesday:

Hawks vs. Hornets

Pelicans vs. Spurs


And, of course, Friday TBD.

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Jarrett Allen is out. Bummer.
Apr 11th 2022
1
I sat next to KAT's family back in December..
Apr 12th 2022
4
      that's not really inside scoop that's a known fact lol...
Apr 12th 2022
5
           I didnt say it was a scoop, just a possibility under new ownership
Apr 12th 2022
10
                LMAO!
Apr 12th 2022
12
                And he’s still Top 75 and a Hall of Famer…
Apr 12th 2022
22
                     nobody cares except for Westbrook, his wife, and you.
Apr 12th 2022
60
                          I don’t have a vote for either so apparently others care lol…
Apr 13th 2022
110
Just want to say again that the whole play-in idea is dumb
Apr 12th 2022
2
It’s a dog shit concept imo
Apr 12th 2022
3
I mean it does the opposite too
Apr 12th 2022
6
      Yeah, for *worse* teams
Apr 12th 2022
11
           well yeah its not great for 7 and 8 but i just don't agree with the idea
Apr 12th 2022
13
                Then make everyone play for their spot.
Apr 12th 2022
15
                     LOL its only 'unfair' bc its a change from previous years
Apr 12th 2022
17
                          That context changes nothing
Apr 12th 2022
18
                               I think unfair is the wrong word
Apr 12th 2022
20
                                    Word, nobody ever says the MLB wild card is unfair
Apr 12th 2022
38
as a traditionalist I'm not a fan even though I was rooting for...
Apr 12th 2022
8
i'm a traditionalist also but weirdly i'm not against this one
Apr 12th 2022
14
I think the play-in makes the season way *less* pointless.
Apr 12th 2022
19
Exactly.
Apr 12th 2022
21
This.
Apr 12th 2022
23
It can be argued that it’s makes the season *more* pointless
Apr 12th 2022
24
      Good point. Thank you for the valuable, thought-out reply.
Apr 12th 2022
26
Yeah, I think it should only kick in if you’re close in the standings
Apr 13th 2022
115
Go Cavs.
Apr 12th 2022
7
Buzz City bitchezzz. Melo Yellow and Miles about to go off!!!
Apr 12th 2022
9
🤞🏿🤞🏿 Borrego out if they come out on some bullshit like last...
Apr 12th 2022
16
      That shit was embarrassing last year.
Apr 12th 2022
29
i hope the nets lose.
Apr 12th 2022
25
I'm with you. It's not looking good right now
Apr 12th 2022
27
      man they looking sharp as hell lol
Apr 12th 2022
28
Fuck, Darius can’t get nothing to fall
Apr 12th 2022
30
I wish Kyrie wasn't such a schmuck so I could enjoy stuff like this more
Apr 12th 2022
31
So, who on the Clips do we have Pat Bev get into it with tonight?…
Apr 12th 2022
32
Might be a wrap, man
Apr 12th 2022
33
Garland is nice, man.
Apr 12th 2022
34
I knew he was cool..
Apr 12th 2022
35
dude trying his best to carry this team.
Apr 12th 2022
36
C’mon Lauri!!
Apr 12th 2022
37
Slim.Reaper
Apr 12th 2022
39
Ruined all expectations on Achilles ruptures forever now.
Apr 12th 2022
40
      for real…and the jumper just as wet as ever
Apr 12th 2022
43
Too many of those, man
Apr 12th 2022
41
their d rotations around the rim been horrible.
Apr 12th 2022
44
      No fuckin doubt….time and time again
Apr 12th 2022
47
Scary Hours for Boston?
Apr 12th 2022
42
Losing Time Lord has to be nauseating for Boston, right now
Apr 12th 2022
45
A really, really tough loss.
Apr 12th 2022
55
That's going to be a good series.
Apr 12th 2022
46
Really depends how that defense looks
Apr 12th 2022
49
not like Cleveland has been a great team in the 2nd half of the season
Apr 12th 2022
50
crowd getting cocky. they barely beat the cavs.
Apr 12th 2022
48
How tf did Curry only take 4 shots in 35 minutes
Apr 12th 2022
51
Kyrie was hitting everything he didn’t need to shoot
Apr 12th 2022
53
Kyrie is Muslim now?
Apr 12th 2022
52
no more dope game.
Apr 12th 2022
54
Lol…SO many dudes fallin all over the floor
Apr 12th 2022
56
They might have to put Mystikal on Morris, when he posts
Apr 12th 2022
57
KAT is scared
Apr 12th 2022
58
Nah I don’t think so
Apr 12th 2022
59
Yea I mean the fouls got him scared to be aggressive
Apr 12th 2022
61
he's tilted
Apr 12th 2022
62
Ok you were right. What a terrible showing.
Apr 12th 2022
65
So many dumb fouls, so emotional and petulant....
Apr 12th 2022
66
Pouting while your team is mounting a comeback = wack sauce
Apr 12th 2022
68
Naw he just a hoe. Seeing him live was eye opening
Apr 12th 2022
70
      LOL
Apr 12th 2022
71
Been a trash game but damn good TV
Apr 12th 2022
63
Ed Malloy is trash. My god
Apr 12th 2022
64
D Lo and Ant Man showed up to play....trade KAT
Apr 12th 2022
67
lol @ everyone who claimed bev was useless
Apr 12th 2022
69
He bout to get ate up by the Memphis kids
Apr 12th 2022
74
He bout to get ate up by the Memphis kids
Apr 12th 2022
75
Pat Bev just trick yall man...he out there runnin around doin nothin
Apr 12th 2022
72
It's a redemption tour til he's out there altering Ja's career
Apr 12th 2022
76
He's an *exceptional* TV character.
Apr 13th 2022
104
      ^ well put
Apr 13th 2022
105
^^^ never not working
Apr 12th 2022
77
Amazing game. Ant and DLo man.
Apr 12th 2022
73
I knew Ant would be awesome, but I wasn't sure it'd be *this* soon.
Apr 13th 2022
106
They’re jumping on tables after winning a play-in game lol
Apr 12th 2022
78
it's great TV as a fan of the game, c'mon
Apr 12th 2022
81
he's just salty his guy at home designing ugly ass sweaters nm
Apr 12th 2022
82
      I’m mad at a Clippers loss? Try again…
Apr 12th 2022
88
           I didn't say anything about the Clippers losing, learn to read nm
Apr 12th 2022
90
                Calm down and get a grip on life, not everything is about you lol
Apr 13th 2022
94
                     PG warz stopped the second you realized WB is dogshit
Apr 13th 2022
97
                          post #22 n/m
Apr 13th 2022
109
I mean I kinda get it
Apr 12th 2022
87
They ain’t never done nothing let em have it
Apr 12th 2022
89
My girl just asked if thr twolves won the finals
Apr 12th 2022
79
LOL did love how the TNT crew immediately clowned on all that
Apr 12th 2022
83
They had me DYING on TNT…they put We Are the Champions
Apr 13th 2022
96
Oh they’re getting WASHED in the first round
Apr 12th 2022
84
      They split the regular season matchups. I think it's going 6 games.
Apr 12th 2022
86
Anthony Edwards looking at Karl-Anthony Towns:
Apr 12th 2022
80
lol @ that shot of kat and jordyn woods kissing.
Apr 12th 2022
85
Charles is struggling to articulate it but he has a point
Apr 12th 2022
91
Jokic still gets in the post, so did Pau Gasol
Apr 13th 2022
95
Prince Kyrie! 40thhhhhhhhh,
Apr 13th 2022
92
D Lo led the Nets to an 8 seed without Durant
Apr 13th 2022
93
Kyrie was awesome, and I said as much.
Apr 16th 2022
236
i have no interest in either of todays games.
Apr 13th 2022
98
I'm tuning in for the first game
Apr 13th 2022
99
lol nope.
Apr 13th 2022
100
Lol, at all. All four of them could forfeit and I would be unmoved.
Apr 13th 2022
101
Lamelo Trae and Miles Bridges are worth watching
Apr 13th 2022
102
I wish Miles Bridges was on a better team. He gets ignored in CHA
Apr 13th 2022
118
      Huh he’s on top plays all the time and is the 2nd option at least
Apr 13th 2022
121
           he needs to grow up...
Apr 13th 2022
137
                Finally getting more recognition!!! (for mouthpiece throwing)
Apr 14th 2022
151
Who wouldn't want to watch Atlanta vs. Charlotte???
Apr 13th 2022
108
Post 99. I’m all in
Apr 13th 2022
112
I'm a basketball fan so I'm just glad there are games on...
Apr 13th 2022
111
      I’m cysin, but I’ll probably watch for this exact reason…
Apr 13th 2022
116
Sideshow Jaxson
Apr 13th 2022
103
Great Simpsons shout, here! 👌🏾
Apr 13th 2022
107
Is The Superteam Era Over? (ESPN+)
Apr 13th 2022
113
RE: Is The Superteam Era Over? (ESPN+)
Apr 13th 2022
114
      Middleton was very average when he left the Pistons
Apr 13th 2022
117
           i don't even remember him being with the pistons shit.
Apr 13th 2022
119
                yeah Giannis wasn't Giannis then either, Kidd gets almost zero credit...
Apr 13th 2022
120
                alot of playerrs get better after leaving Detroit...its v weird
Apr 14th 2022
147
Hornets looking soft and uninterested
Apr 13th 2022
122
This coach gotta go. Team is scared to defend the 3.
Apr 13th 2022
126
      the D is what it is. the offense is a bigger issue to me
Apr 13th 2022
128
Charlotte buggin with these slapstick turnovers.
Apr 13th 2022
123
De'Andre better.
Apr 13th 2022
124
Don’t let Borrego on the plane back to Charlotte
Apr 13th 2022
125
condolences to anyone who watched this game.
Apr 13th 2022
127
I thought this would be the good game lol
Apr 13th 2022
131
frank suckered me into it.
Apr 13th 2022
132
      I got the Atlanta score right, lol.
Apr 13th 2022
139
Appreciate it. Hornets look like shit
Apr 13th 2022
133
Cancun piece
Apr 13th 2022
129
Shower up
Apr 13th 2022
130
are the pels pumping in fake crowd noise?
Apr 13th 2022
134
yeah they definitely using fake crowd noise.
Apr 13th 2022
136
Damn, Ingram took that man’s life
Apr 13th 2022
135
That was him emerging from his cocoon like Rodan...I am impressed
Apr 14th 2022
146
Do work Alvarado!!
Apr 13th 2022
138
Before CJ got to the Pelicans, they were absolute shit.
Apr 13th 2022
140
Not a good year for AD, Beard, and Dame Top 75 arguments. Ha
Apr 14th 2022
149
      Well, AD and Beard are obvious Top 75, lol.
Apr 14th 2022
150
miles bridges hit a white girl in the head with his mouthpiece lol.
Apr 13th 2022
141
He will probably get fined 5,000 -10,000
Apr 13th 2022
142
Yeah. Her and her peeps are about to hit back.
Apr 13th 2022
143
he was NOT Steph McGrady with the aim
Apr 13th 2022
144
Zion doing 360 dunks during warm-ups,
Apr 14th 2022
145
Media spending too much time talking about dudes who aren’t playing.
Apr 14th 2022
148
      the media is wondering what everyone else is wondering
Apr 14th 2022
152
           True.
Apr 14th 2022
153
           or maybe he wanna play and is showing everybody he healthy
Apr 14th 2022
154
                Might be both.
Apr 15th 2022
161
                     that's true too
Apr 15th 2022
164
injury update:
Apr 14th 2022
155
LOL. Well done @ the last one
Apr 14th 2022
157
The 9 vs. 10 games were kind of pointless
Apr 14th 2022
156
The “play-in” is pointless
Apr 14th 2022
159
      Well, yeah. Said so above. But was just commenting on last night’s gam...
Apr 14th 2022
160
bucks in 4
Apr 14th 2022
158
agreed.
Apr 15th 2022
165
      He is 20 years old.
Apr 15th 2022
175
           I wasn't blaming Pat Will for this season.
Apr 15th 2022
177
           Agreed
Apr 15th 2022
183
           they gave Caruso big money too for some goose egg games lol...
Apr 15th 2022
180
                ^^^Capping America
Apr 15th 2022
182
Damn, Morey mucked up.
Apr 15th 2022
162
isn't it a little early for that?
Apr 15th 2022
163
      I think CJ would have been a better partner.
Apr 15th 2022
166
      lol right
Apr 15th 2022
173
RIP Clippers' season...PG in them protocols...won't play tonight
Apr 15th 2022
167
pandemic p for real.
Apr 15th 2022
168
I still wouldn’t bet against Ty Lue playing with house money
Apr 15th 2022
169
damn i wanted to see the pels go at them
Apr 15th 2022
170
He is symptomatic, too, based on reports.
Apr 15th 2022
172
Terrence Mann bout to drop 36 tonight, watch.
Apr 15th 2022
186
if pels get in the main bracket they should let zion play.
Apr 15th 2022
171
From not playing at all to getting regular minutes in the playoffs?
Apr 15th 2022
174
      i still pay for cable fam.
Apr 15th 2022
176
           Haha
Apr 15th 2022
184
           Same, I hate when people ask for series to end quickly. Stfu dummy
Apr 15th 2022
188
                when you actually root for a team you just want them to win 16 games.
Apr 15th 2022
189
                You never watch teams that aren't yours?
Apr 15th 2022
202
                seriously. all i really watch on tv are live sports.
Apr 15th 2022
194
The one knock there is on the play in tourney...
Apr 15th 2022
178
that too..
Apr 15th 2022
181
Woj say Luka out for Game 1 and Game 2 looking shaky
Apr 15th 2022
179
that's been known lol@Woj taking credit for it
Apr 15th 2022
185
kawhis camp at odds with team over injury again.
Apr 15th 2022
187
That sounds…bad
Apr 15th 2022
191
“Sources”
Apr 15th 2022
216
Lauri Legend!
Apr 15th 2022
190
Okay then, Cleveland.
Apr 15th 2022
192
Whole new team with JA
Apr 15th 2022
193
      Yep, dude affects so much…
Apr 15th 2022
195
Damn. Instant karma.
Apr 15th 2022
196
Lol…no pull down from the neck? Fuck did they watch???
Apr 15th 2022
197
acting like we dont have replay too.
Apr 15th 2022
198
they just felt sorry for Capela
Apr 15th 2022
199
It’s getting a bit contentious.
Apr 15th 2022
200
Huerter looking like food, on defense
Apr 15th 2022
201
Same for Young.
Apr 15th 2022
203
I been patiently waiting for a track to explode on (c)
Apr 15th 2022
204
cavs aint even looking at their big men.
Apr 15th 2022
205
the cavs froze. woof.
Apr 15th 2022
206
Better offense than defense. All it boils down to.
Apr 15th 2022
207
Damn, they coming unglued
Apr 15th 2022
208
Trae is just demolishing every tactic they have for him
Apr 15th 2022
209
His floater makes him unguardable.
Apr 15th 2022
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      You just gotta respect so many thing…he’s unfair
Apr 15th 2022
213
Trae is just something, man
Apr 15th 2022
210
In final seconds: "Where the fuck did everybody go?"
Apr 15th 2022
223
Sometimes it's as simple as "the best player won."
Apr 15th 2022
212
BI so fucking cooking
Apr 15th 2022
214
zions own stepfather said he should be playing?
Apr 15th 2022
215
You knew they were gonna come back.
Apr 15th 2022
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bi gotta get going.
Apr 15th 2022
218
batum shut all that shit up.
Apr 15th 2022
      His demise was greatly exaggerated
Apr 15th 2022
220
Pels got the yips
Apr 15th 2022
219
Jonas
Apr 15th 2022
221
Play-in stats don’t count.
Apr 15th 2022
222
I mean - where SHOULD they go?
Apr 15th 2022
226
      They are post season stats!
Apr 16th 2022
234
           I guess.
Apr 16th 2022
235
Ty Lue stayed small for too long.
Apr 15th 2022
224
Please get skipping ass Reggie off my TV
Apr 15th 2022
225
Welp. Good season, Clips.
Apr 15th 2022
227
pels manned up and took that thing. salute.
Apr 15th 2022
228
Incredibly clutch final play by BI. Beautiful.
Apr 15th 2022
229
He has certainly stepped up to another level. Love how he is
Apr 16th 2022
232
Happy for Brandon Ingram, unfortunate he has to depend on Zion
Apr 15th 2022
230
Look at the Pelicans fly!!
Apr 16th 2022
231
In 2 years of this tournament
Apr 16th 2022
233
jazz are going to take game 1
Apr 16th 2022
237
looking for the Heat to take Steph Harden out in style.
Apr 16th 2022
238
congrats to the Pelicans though.
Apr 16th 2022
239

Ryan M
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1. "Jarrett Allen is out. Bummer. "
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Nets should win that handily but who knows.

Picking the Nets, Hawks, and Pelicans. Can’t call the Clips/Wolves

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4. "I sat next to KAT's family back in December.."
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>Picking the Nets, Hawks, and Pelicans. Can’t call the
>Clips/Wolves

(im right behind the visitor's bench)

and his best friend was saying how KAT was worried they'd break up the Big 3 if they didn't make the playoffs (aka ship out D'Angelo) because they believe in Ant and KAT more (for good reason)

if they lose to the Clippers or not get into the playoffs, D'Lo getting traded this offseason. esp with only 2 years left on his deal.

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5. "that's not really inside scoop that's a known fact lol..."
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>if they lose to the Clippers or not get into the playoffs,
>D'Lo getting traded this offseason. esp with only 2 years left
>on his deal.

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10. "I didnt say it was a scoop, just a possibility under new ownership"
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A known fact would be "Russell Westbrick is the worst shooting point guard in the league and a fucking idiot on the basketball court"

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33693784/why-los-angeles-lakers-season-was-doomed-their-first-team-outing-october




>>if they lose to the Clippers or not get into the playoffs,
>>D'Lo getting traded this offseason. esp with only 2 years
>left
>>on his deal.
>

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12. "LMAO!"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "And he’s still Top 75 and a Hall of Famer…"
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>A known fact would be "Russell Westbrick is the worst shooting
>point guard in the league and a fucking idiot on the
>basketball court"

How many OSU point guards can you say that about?

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60. "nobody cares except for Westbrook, his wife, and you."
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and Scott Brooks.

about to be 5 teams in 5 years. he is a basketball STD that every team tries to get rid of after a year.

mizzou basketball and football trash. and illinois. and missouri state. and the Billikens.

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110. "I don’t have a vote for either so apparently others care lol…"
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>and Scott Brooks.
>
>about to be 5 teams in 5 years. he is a basketball STD that
>every team tries to get rid of after a year.

D-Lo was on 5 teams before he was 25 lol


>mizzou basketball and football trash. and illinois. and
>missouri state. and the Billikens.

ouch you got me.

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2. "Just want to say again that the whole play-in idea is dumb"
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Wolves finished four games ahead of the Clippers. Why should they have to play another game to "earn" their seventh seed? The Pelicans and Spurs are 10 and 12 games under 0.500 respectively. There is no reason either should have a chance at making the play-offs ahead of teams that finished 6 to 12 games ahead of them.

In the East, yes, the Hornets and Hawks are a game behind the Nets and Cavs, but there have been plenty of seasons where the #8 seed was a game ahead of the #9 seed. And plenty of teams who have won more than 43 games didn't get another shot to make it to the play-offs. Everyone had 82 games to do as best as they could; giving "close" teams another bite at the apple just makes the regular season seem more pointless.

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3. "It’s a dog shit concept imo"
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It’s “fun” or whatever, but it’s a fuck you to teams who earned their rank already.

Top teams are rewarded for being top teams. They get the seeding they earned.

It takes teams that are already middling, and punishes them for not being better. Not having home court isn’t enough, you have to knife fight some other squad with a WORSE FUCKING RECORD for the right to those four road games.

It’s fun though. Can’t really argue that.

  

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6. "I mean it does the opposite too"
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>It takes teams that are already middling, and punishes them for not being better

It takes teams that are already middling, and rewards them for not being better, by giving them a chance at the playoffs.

The biggest win is now you got more teams trying to be competetive down the stretch. If minny cant beat these two teams at home they don't deserve to get they asses whooped by a top 2 team

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11. "Yeah, for *worse* teams"
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>>It takes teams that are already middling, and punishes them
>for not being better

Yes, it does this for the next two teams that *didn't* have a top 8 record- which is still a huge fuck you

>It takes teams that are already middling, and rewards them for
>not being better, by giving them a chance at the playoffs.

Yes, it does this for the next two teams that *didn't* have a top 8 record- which is still a huge fuck you to the two teams that did.

>The biggest win is now you got more teams trying to be
>competetive down the stretch.

Yeah, as I said- it's fun.

>If minny cant beat these two
>teams at home they don't deserve to get they asses whooped by
>a top 2 team

Sure. Unless someone gets injured. Or there's a bad call. Or someone just has an off night. Then that 7th place record that they earned is meaningless because suddenly they don't "deserve" it.

It's great for the 9th and 10th teams. There's nothing to lose. But not for 7 and 8.

  

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13. "well yeah its not great for 7 and 8 but i just don't agree with the idea"
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that it is somehow unfair.

If they sprung up this rule after the season started sure. Everyone knows the deal, these are the parameters. If a 7 seed loses two games at home to two teams worse then them standings wise, theres an argument to be made that they aren't a top 8 team in the conference.

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15. "Then make everyone play for their spot."
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It’s fundamentally unfair to say, you ended the season with a better record, but we’re going to give a team with a worse record the chance to take your spot.

There’s just not a reasonable argument to say that this isn’t inherently unfair.

It’s an 82 game season. To have to play your way in despite having a better record is fundamentally unfair.

I’d say the following are all true statements:

It’s fun and makes for some great drama as a fan.
It’s a GREAT deal for 9 and 10, even if they lose.
And it’s a terrible deal for 7 and 8, even if they win.

It’s good for everyone except the 7/8 seeds.
How is that bot objectively unfair?

  

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17. "LOL its only 'unfair' bc its a change from previous years"
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but its not unfair on its own. Instead of 8 teams making the playoffs by record, now its 6 teams. the next four teams have to fight for their spot. The higher the ranking between 7-10 the better your chances of earning a spot to the playoffs.

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18. "That context changes nothing"
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You spend 82 games fighting for position

Then, after all that, even when you’re ahead, you have to fight to keep that position just to get in.

How it was before is irrelevant to this fundamental problem

The old system wasn’t broke and didn’t need fixing.
They broke a good system to create a fun one.

Which is fine, to look at it from that standpoint. It’s great fan service (fans of those 7/8 seeds notwithstanding) and ramps up the excitement from a consumer standpoint.

But there’s no way to frame it where it’s not inherently and objectively unfair to the 7/8 seeds.

  

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20. "I think unfair is the wrong word "
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Only 6 teams are guaranteed playoff spots in their conference. The next 4 have to win a tournament to get the final 2 spots. Without referencing how it used to be, how is that setup unfair when 7 has an advantage over 8, which has an advantage over 9, which has an advantage over 10?

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38. "Word, nobody ever says the MLB wild card is unfair"
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Mostly because on the whole MLB is already a far more unfair sport than the NBA


But at the same time you're just being an old-head if you're scoffing at this CLE-BKN game right now


CLE fought like hell to be in this position, but BKN has the Irving/Durant factor, it's just a perfect one-off basketball game and a win-win for basketball fans no matter who wins


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8. "as a traditionalist I'm not a fan even though I was rooting for..."
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for the Lakers to make it this year. Its sad we couldn't beat out teams like NO and SA that weren't even trying to make the playoffs lol.

Its crazy how things have flipped though you used the have teams in the East with losing records making the playoffs and teams in the West with winning records not make it now its the opposite.

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14. "i'm a traditionalist also but weirdly i'm not against this one"
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i also wasn't super excited about it in the first place tho lol. I think it'll be a while before we see a 9th or 10th seed advance to the 2nd round.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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19. "I think the play-in makes the season way *less* pointless."
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Because you have way fewer teams who think "well, the year is over, might as well throw in the towel and start losing games." Like, even the *Kings* were trying to win games down the stretch because in the last 1-2 weeks, they still had a chance to creep into the play-in.

It also means teams in that 5th through 8th seed range continue to play meaningful games, because they aren't thinking "well, I made it to the playoffs, let's just rest dudes and stay healthy," they're thinking, "fuck, I don't want to play in the play-in," lol. The 5th and 6th seed in both conferences as recently as last week could've slid to the play-in, so they kept fighting.

Ultimately, I personally don't care if teams sit players down the stretch or whatever, it's always bound to happen for the best and the worst teams... but it's pretty inarguable that the play-in creates more meaningful games in the last two weeks of the season than we'd have without the play-in. And those games are usually more fun.

>Everyone had 82 games to do as best as they could; giving "close" teams another bite at the apple just makes the regular season seem more pointless.

I mean, the 7th seeds had 82 games to earn a 6th seed and not be in this play-in predicament, lol. Yes, the divide between a 7th and 10th seed could end up being wide some years... but in the same way that you point out that 10th seed teams could control their fate in a system where only 8 teams make the playoffs, 7th and 8th seed teams also control their fate in a play-in playoff system.

Ultimately, there are always teams that get fucked. No doubt that 7th seed teams are in a shittier spot in this format than they were before, that's a given. I just think the play-in rules, because it adds intrigue to way more regular season games coming down the stretch.

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21. "Exactly. "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "This."
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24. "It can be argued that it’s makes the season *more* pointless "
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26. "Good point. Thank you for the valuable, thought-out reply."
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115. "Yeah, I think it should only kick in if you’re close in the standings"
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Or at least the better team should start the game with a few points advantage. Same thing in baseball. The Dodgers had to defend their Wild Card spot last year when they won 106 games and St. Louis won 90. Lol, at that point the 2 teams are in completely different classes.

  

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7. "Go Cavs."
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That’s all. Tired of the same old drama and storylines with the Nets., want to see some new blood moving on.

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9. "Buzz City bitchezzz. Melo Yellow and Miles about to go off!!! "
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16. "🤞🏿🤞🏿 Borrego out if they come out on some bullshit like last..."
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When the pacers annihilated them in the play in

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29. "That shit was embarrassing last year. "
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They better represent this year.

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25. "i hope the nets lose."
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twice.

i dont wanna see them make any playoff series.

i dislike kyrie (and ben simmons) that much. and the media still hyping up how dangerous they can be in the playoffs made me wanna root against them even harder. i wanna see the whole thing fall flat.

  

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27. "I'm with you. It's not looking good right now"
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28. "man they looking sharp as hell lol"
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30. "Fuck, Darius can’t get nothing to fall"
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31. "I wish Kyrie wasn't such a schmuck so I could enjoy stuff like this more"
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32. "So, who on the Clips do we have Pat Bev get into it with tonight?…"
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also, I just thought about the playoffs, last year when he pushed CP3 in the back.

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33. "Might be a wrap, man"
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34. "Garland is nice, man."
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Not exactly a hot take but he really is.

It sucks that the Cavs will probably fall out of the playoffs given the Allen injury but the future is bright for them.

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35. "I knew he was cool.."
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they played a game against OKC and he absolutely would not be denied. After that, a lot of my League Pass time went to CLE games.

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36. "dude trying his best to carry this team."
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37. "C’mon Lauri!!"
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40. "Ruined all expectations on Achilles ruptures forever now."
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I know he HAS, but it just seems like he's barely lost a step.

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43. "for real…and the jumper just as wet as ever"
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41. "Too many of those, man"
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44. "their d rotations around the rim been horrible."
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47. "No fuckin doubt….time and time again"
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42. "Scary Hours for Boston?"
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Can't quite recall a 7 seed of recent vintage with this much firepower. #FreeKyrie on an Award Tour in Boston is a tough draw for the Celtics. Feel like you should get a lighter touch in the 1st round after how they finished the season.

Gonna be fun though.

Brooklyn's ceiling next year is crazy high if they can gel.

  

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45. "Losing Time Lord has to be nauseating for Boston, right now"
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55. "A really, really tough loss. "
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49. "Really depends how that defense looks"
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Don't recall Boston slipping much after losing Time Lord but the end of the season and the POs are different, obviously.

Based on THIS game, with an otherworldly Kyrie game and an all arounder from Durant, I'm not sure Boston should be THAT worried 'cause you'll get an off night from one of 'em

But Cavs would've been preferred for sure

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50. "not like Cleveland has been a great team in the 2nd half of the season"
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48. "crowd getting cocky. they barely beat the cavs."
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51. "How tf did Curry only take 4 shots in 35 minutes "
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53. "Kyrie was hitting everything he didn’t need to shoot"
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52. "Kyrie is Muslim now?"
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54. "no more dope game."
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56. "Lol…SO many dudes fallin all over the floor"
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57. "They might have to put Mystikal on Morris, when he posts"
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58. "KAT is scared "
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59. "Nah I don’t think so"
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That foul trouble is some shit but DLo is just nice.

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61. "Yea I mean the fouls got him scared to be aggressive"
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>That foul trouble is some shit but DLo is just nice.


D Lo carrying them right now.



these refs are abysmal

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62. "he's tilted"
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65. "Ok you were right. What a terrible showing. "
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66. "So many dumb fouls, so emotional and petulant...."
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Not a good playoff debut at all.

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68. "Pouting while your team is mounting a comeback = wack sauce"
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Saw it with Juls and the Knicks...now Kat pouting while Naz Reid out there playing smart.

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70. "Naw he just a hoe. Seeing him live was eye opening "
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Even Minnesota home crowd was over his general bitchassness and whining,

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71. "LOL"
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>Even Minnesota home crowd was over his general bitchassness
>and whining,

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63. "Been a trash game but damn good TV"
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From the PatBev bullshit to the early foul drama across the board to the animal rights protest gone horribly wrong, another great example of why this play in is only a good thing. Everybody - even the fans and refs - have something to prove, lol.


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64. "Ed Malloy is trash. My god"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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67. "D Lo and Ant Man showed up to play....trade KAT"
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kidding obviously

>Tuesday:
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>Nets vs. Cavs
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>Wolves vs. Clippers
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>Wednesday:
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>Hawks vs. Hornets
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>Pelicans vs. Spurs
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>And, of course, Friday TBD.

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69. "lol @ everyone who claimed bev was useless"
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74. "He bout to get ate up by the Memphis kids "
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75. "He bout to get ate up by the Memphis kids "
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72. "Pat Bev just trick yall man...he out there runnin around doin nothin"
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>Tuesday:
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>Nets vs. Cavs
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>Wolves vs. Clippers
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>
>Wednesday:
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>Hawks vs. Hornets
>
>Pelicans vs. Spurs
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>And, of course, Friday TBD.

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76. "It's a redemption tour til he's out there altering Ja's career"
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Just can't forget how badly he can ruin a game/series/career over some petty shit ala Westbrook (who ultimately recovered, mostly, but one has to wonder what the NBA looks like sometimes without that dumbass close-in)


But as a TV character I loved him tonight


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104. "He's an *exceptional* TV character. "
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The NBA needs more heels. P-Bev is happy to fill that role.

Now, I'd prefer him fill that role without trying to hurt people, that's true, lol. But you gotta have some villains in the mix.

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105. "^ well put"
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I was totally eating up their reaction until TNT posted Kuz's tweet (which was hilarious & not wrong), but I'd rather that than the daps between everyone/"where we all going to dinner after?" we-all-chums thing they do now

  

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77. "^^^ never not working"
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LOL

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73. "Amazing game. Ant and DLo man. "
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106. "I knew Ant would be awesome, but I wasn't sure it'd be *this* soon."
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I thought he'd hover around that 41% FG, 32% 3PT on high volume that he did last year.

Now he's up to 44% FG, almost 36% 3PT on even more jump shots than last year. More willing passer this year too, and a much better defender (though still room to grow there, obviously).

If his consistency keeps improving, real shot he's an All-Star as soon as next season.

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78. "They’re jumping on tables after winning a play-in game lol"
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81. "it's great TV as a fan of the game, c'mon"
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It's not the same level of petty but your posts in this thread remind me of AllStah in the Winning Time thread over on GD. Sure it's not the highest stakes but stakes IS high, let the entertainment entertain you


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82. "he's just salty his guy at home designing ugly ass sweaters nm"
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88. "I’m mad at a Clippers loss? Try again…"
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They we’re clowning them on TNT for that lol

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90. "I didn't say anything about the Clippers losing, learn to read nm"
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94. "Calm down and get a grip on life, not everything is about you lol"
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97. "PG warz stopped the second you realized WB is dogshit "
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😂

I’m glad you’re finally coming around .

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109. "post #22 n/m"
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87. "I mean I kinda get it"
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But also yeah - stop celebrating THIS of all things

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89. "They ain’t never done nothing let em have it"
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79. "My girl just asked if thr twolves won the finals"
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Bc of how pat bev acting

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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83. "LOL did love how the TNT crew immediately clowned on all that"
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Like I said above I think it's an awesome TV product but it is kinda wild how this is like episode 2 of a 12 episode TV season and these guys are acting like it's the season finale


Tough look heading into the Grizzlies meat grinder


That said, if I were playing in that game, I mean just watching it looked like a total pain in the ass. I'd overreact too


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96. "They had me DYING on TNT…they put We Are the Champions"
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over the video of the celebration…I was DONE.

  

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84. "Oh they’re getting WASHED in the first round "
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86. "They split the regular season matchups. I think it's going 6 games."
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80. "Anthony Edwards looking at Karl-Anthony Towns:"
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https://twitter.com/NickLewis37/status/1514095453687668737

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85. "lol @ that shot of kat and jordyn woods kissing."
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91. "Charles is struggling to articulate it but he has a point"
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if the gameplan ISN'T EXPLICITLY that KAT drifts to the 3-point line so Edwards has a driving lane, and KAT plays a Jokic, hell, Gasol role, I'm not sure why this dude should be so passive in the post. He gets in these shit situations in the playoffs because he enters late and dudes bully him around so he tries to compensate. He's not a fucking tank like Embiid so he's not gonna create his space out of nowhere - I noticed when they pointed out that Nic Batum is a power forward now and then realized he wasn't significantly undersized switching onto KAT. He's got an incredibly strong regular season game in need of a postseason modifier.


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95. "Jokic still gets in the post, so did Pau Gasol"
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92. "Prince Kyrie! 40thhhhhhhhh, "
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Come get your 40th L

Where are you?

I got Boston going to the second round, though.

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93. "D Lo led the Nets to an 8 seed without Durant"
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Kyrie led them to a play in game with Durant

what an upgrade


>Come get your 40th L
>
>Where are you?
>
>I got Boston going to the second round, though.
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236. "Kyrie was awesome, and I said as much."
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doesn't change the fact that he shoots more, scores less, misses more, and passes less than Ja.

>I got Boston going to the second round, though.

word, Boston is certainly better without Kyrie than they were with him.

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98. "i have no interest in either of todays games."
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99. "I'm tuning in for the first game"
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<---
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100. "lol nope."
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101. "Lol, at all. All four of them could forfeit and I would be unmoved."
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102. "Lamelo Trae and Miles Bridges are worth watching "
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But yea I just want the playoffs to start now

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118. "I wish Miles Bridges was on a better team. He gets ignored in CHA"
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Not sure what his ceiling is, but he's a beast and one of my favorite players to watch.

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121. "Huh he’s on top plays all the time and is the 2nd option at least"
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Melo always looking for him and they let him Chuck for years to find his game. Charlotte about to clear the deck for him and Melo

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137. "he needs to grow up..."
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-play-in-tourney-hornets-f-miles-bridges-fan-mouthguard-ejection-015334689.html

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151. "Finally getting more recognition!!! (for mouthpiece throwing)"
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108. "Who wouldn't want to watch Atlanta vs. Charlotte???"
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You don't want to watch two of the best offenses in the NBA run as fast as they can, score ultra-efficiently, and play no defense? Final score's gonna end up being like 130-125. I'm fucking stoked.

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111. "I'm a basketball fan so I'm just glad there are games on..."
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Trae and LaMelo definitely should be entertaining, Spurs-Pelicans may be a snoozer but I'll be drunk by then

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116. "I’m cysin, but I’ll probably watch for this exact reason…"
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I like basketball. Spurs/Pels, though…no way.

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103. "Sideshow Jaxson"
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I predict at least 2 putback dunks from that crazy mophead (where afterwards he does that combo hands-down-by-his-waist flex/scream thing)

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107. "Great Simpsons shout, here! 👌🏾"
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113. "Is The Superteam Era Over? (ESPN+)"
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(KD Steph and Klay and Dray did just fine as a superteam until the injuries, if KD Harden and Kyrie were all vaxed and healthy, I think they win the title, if the Lakers were all healthy, they win a playoff series at the very least.. even with Westbrook being what he is)

(does Miami count as a superteam? or just a bunch of really good players?)


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33719050/lessons-brooklyn-nets-controversy-filled-season-superteam-era-over

KYRIE IRVING'S OPENING act in Brooklyn was marred only by slick footing. It was the final possession of his first regular-season game -- Oct. 23, 2019 -- against the Minnesota Timberwolves. With 50 points already in the bank and the crowd roaring in anticipation, Irving dribbled opposite Josh Okogie with the game hanging in the balance, before slipping and performing an aerial cartwheel, falling but maintaining his dribble. He immediately popped back up and nearly drained an off-balance winning fadeaway at the buzzer.

The Nets lost the season opener, but electricity coursed through Barclays Center. Brooklyn had its first bona fide star in his prime suiting up for the Nets, one who would record point totals of 50, 39, 37 and 33 over his first 11 games before being sidelined by a shoulder impingement.

Yet talent comes with cost, especially with Irving. League sources say executives, coaches and players who were present during Irving's time in Cleveland and Boston shared with the Nets negative intel -- his unresponsiveness and truculence with coaches, his lack of self-awareness with teammates, his constant defiance of offensive game plans, his disinterest in playing off the ball. But the Nets, multiple sources say, knew that bringing Irving aboard was the cost of doing business: No Irving, No Kevin Durant.

To be sure, the Nets would be acquiring an otherworldly talent to pair with Durant. For all of Irving's fickle behavior, his production, shot creation and finishing ability have been among the league's best (11th in points per chance among 40 players with at least 7,500 shot attempts since 2013-14, when Second Spectrum began tracking).

But the Nets team he and Durant were joining was a paragon of cohesion -- a team of castoffs, lower draft picks and reclamation projects who had overachieved and embraced an effort to build from the ground up.

Over the next year, several of the linchpins of that culture would be dealt to acquire James Harden to form a superteam.

By the time Harden grumbled his way out of Brooklyn, as he had into Brooklyn, the vibe at the facility in Sunset Park was vastly different -- and the league took notice. Several top league executives assert that devising a strategy around chasing big-name stars doesn't hold the same appeal it once did. They've watched the likes of the Celtics in the Kyrie Era, and now the Brooklyn Nets, the Los Angeles Lakers and -- for the time being -- the LA Clippers believe they could absorb superstars into their existing structures, only to be underwhelmed by the results.

One unintended consequence of bringing in players like Durant and Irving is that an upstart core often hears a pointed message that management doesn't entirely believe in what is being built, despite years of gospelizing the value of culture. As much as an organization might believe that arriving superstars will adapt to the team culture that preceded them, superstars often don't adapt to cultures; they replace them.


"Assembling a superteam is something very, very few organizations can do," one senior league executive says. "And we're seeing that even fewer can actually pull it off because superstars aren't enough -- it has to be the right superstars in the right culture. What this current era of NBA basketball is showing us is that going all-in -- whether it's with cap space or all of your loot -- to go acquire two or three of the top talented players in the league and having either underperforming infrastructure or a complete lack of roster depth, you're doing nothing favorable for your organization."

No team serves as a more compelling study than the Nets, who are still looking for a sustained breakout as they scrap for a playoff berth in the play-in tournament. The Lakers didn't even get that far.

This postseason offers a referendum -- is the era of the superteam over?


FEW PHENOMENONS DEFINE the era of player empowerment more than the superteam. After decades of watching a bunch of functionaries move pieces around the chessboard, the talented stars who drive the value of the NBA decided they would determine where they'd play and with whom they'd play.

Two of those stars, Durant and Irving, opted to sign with Brooklyn when they hit free agency in 2019. Nabbing the duo required no recruitment, something Marks told the media in the days following the signing. Durant and Irving intended to play together somewhere. Durant said in 2019 he never even spoke to the Nets before deciding to come to Brooklyn.

The Nets team those superstars joined was a feel-good story. Capable NBA franchises sell either hope or success, and in 2019, the Nets had given their fans plenty of the first with promises of the second. A team headlined by D'Angelo Russell (traded away by the Lakers after two seasons), Jarrett Allen (a late first-round pick in only his second year), Joe Harris (acquired along with cash considerations for a second-round pick) and Spencer Dinwiddie (waived twice by the Bulls prior to the 2016 season) scrapped its way to 42 wins and a playoff berth as the No. 6 seed.

A young front office with Spurs alumnus Sean Marks at the helm had finally shaken off the last vestiges of the disastrous 2013 trade with the Boston Celtics that gutted the organization of its draft assets. Marks and head coach Kenny Atkinson helped transform the culture of one of the league's woebegone franchises.

The Nets bowed out in the first round of the 2019 playoffs with a 4-1 series loss to the Philadelphia 76ers, a dignified exit for a team that had won only 69 games during the previous three seasons. Yet as pride coursed through this band of overachievers, a reality set in for the Nets' ownership and brass, sources say: Overachievers don't win NBA championships. Achievers do.

Enter the superstars.

IRVING BEGAN HIS tenure as the lone superstar on the floor, as Durant spent his first season with the Nets sidelined by a torn Achilles tendon suffered in the 2019 Finals. Irving ultimately played only 20 of the Nets' 64 games before undergoing season-ending surgery. NBA players typically operate with some degree of isolation from the team when working through rehab, but Irving and Durant had a bevy of medical specialists and personal trainers outside the team's purview that added to their sense of removal from the Nets, sources say.

Atkinson had some difficulty managing the superstars from afar. According to multiple sources, the starting assignment at center became a source of internal strife, with DeAndre Jordan the preferred option for the vets, while Atkinson favored the blossoming Allen. Sources describe the situation as a proxy battle between the scrappy pre-2019 Nets and the new brand-name iteration. As much as the existing core in Brooklyn acknowledged that having transcendent talents would goose the offense, the cultural transition "bummed them out a little," in the words of one source with knowledge of the locker room dynamic.

Durant was initially impressed by his intel on Atkinson's approach to his coaching craft coming into Brooklyn, but as the Nets languished, sources say he was increasingly underwhelmed by the team's lackluster play. Though multiple sources with knowledge of the Nets' internal machinations say that reports that Atkinson's firing in March 2020 was at the direct command of Durant and Irving are greatly exaggerated, the dynamics that led to Atkinson's demise in Brooklyn were informed in large part by the new composition of the roster.

Admire him, loathe him, pity him or be confounded by him, Irving has been a very complicated piece in that composition. One Nets source says it's not so much one single act that weighs on the team or organization, but rather Irving in the aggregate: "It's always something," irrespective of how productive he is when he suits up.

Brooklyn's acquisition of James Harden, 18 months after signing Durant and Irving, was the ultimate Faustian bargain. By trading away Jarrett Allen, who made the All-Star team this season, and Caris LeVert, the team's 13th-ranked defense got 1.4 points per 100 possessions worse and plummeted to 22nd. The Nets bowed out to Milwaukee in the conference semifinals. Comparatively, the Nets' short-handed, seven-game effort against the Bucks without Irving for the final three games, and with Harden absent for Games 2, 3 and 4, might be the highlight of the Harden Era in Brooklyn.

Sources say that much of the discontent between Harden and the Nets started in September when he arrived into training camp out of shape. Durant had been understanding of Harden's predicament in Houston as a man in need of new scenery, but also tacitly expected his former teammate to commit himself to conditioning and self-care when he came seeking a title in Brooklyn, according to a source close to both stars. With Irving's status already in flux due to his unwillingness to get vaccinated, Durant was astonished in the opening weeks of the season at Harden's lack of explosiveness and sluggish play, something he attributed in large part to Harden's being out of shape, as he did the ensuing hamstring issues.

Harden, sources say, found Durant's slant grating and self-righteous. The two never resolved the conflict, and there was little that teammates, coach Steve Nash or Marks could do to mediate it. With each passing week, Harden became more isolated, with staff and teammates increasingly frustrated by the static. The Nets ultimately excised him from the locker room in a blockbuster trade deadline deal with Philadelphia for Ben Simmons.

The notion that Harden -- or Irving -- would find religion in Brooklyn and embrace the culture when surrounded by colleagues he respected now seems quaint. Culture can encourage a superstar, but it can't change him. To a superstar, culture is merely a series of suggestions, not a list of imperatives.

Above any one superstar's temperament, the overall ethic in Brooklyn has changed over the past two years. As one source inside the organization characterized it, the Nets have gone from a team for which decisions both on and off the court were made in service to a conscious culture, to one where decisions are made to please certain constituencies, be it star players or ownership. Cardinal principles like accountability run second to the whims and preferences of stars like Irving, Harden and Durant. That trade-off can manifest itself in any number of smaller ways -- a softer defensive scheme preferred by the stars, an ad-hoc offense or even availability to play -- and the biggest one: esprit de corps.

Marks disagrees with this portrayal. "We have always involved our key stakeholders at the appropriate times," he says. "Our players are at the core of everything we do. They set and drive our culture, and receiving their input sometimes allows you to see things from a different point of view. Ownership has been nothing but supportive of our decisions. Personally, I love bouncing ideas off Joe ."

Nevertheless, the superteam construction is a bargain that has yet to pay dividends for the Nets, and they're not alone.

GIVE THE LAKERS some credit: Unlike the Celtics of the mid-aughts and the Nets of today, they don't operate under the pretense of "culture." In Lakerland, the superstars are the culture. The late Jerry Buss established the star system as the franchise identity decades ago, and the Lakers have stayed true to it. Let the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat have their precious culture. Let them break bread and bask in the "Heat Way." We'll bank on talent.

This year's model was no different, packed with five surefire Hall of Famers, four of them 33 years of age or older. Seduced again by brand names last summer, the Lakers demonstrated their institutional prioritization of superstars over cultural, as well as on-court, alignment. The team acquired Russell Westbrook in exchange for much of its depth and some of its grittier contributors. James was publicly defensive over his role in constructing the roster and voiced assorted veiled comments about Lakers management. Meanwhile, deposed coach Frank Vogel needed the permission of the front office to bench Westbrook in the fourth quarter. The results were disastrous, as the joyless firm of James, Anthony Davis and Westbrook failed miserably.

Yet it's not as if it hasn't worked before, lest we forget that they won a championship in Davis' first full season after he pushed his way to the Lakers in 2019. And James has had plenty of success at his previous stops.

His Miami and Cleveland teams boasted one crucial difference to the current Lakers -- and Nets -- squads: Despite their constructions as superteams, each featured at least one megastar who was indigenous to the organization.

History shows that a superteam has a better chance to succeed with an organizational anchor. The Big Three in Boston, which presaged the Superteam Era, dominated the 2008 season, with Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen joining Paul Pierce, the Celtic product. The construction of the 2010-11 Miami Heat might have been radical in assembly, but they had a strong mainstay in Dwyane Wade. As commanding as James was, he was not going to divert from the Heat Way, so long as Wade and Pat Riley were driving the bus. And when James eventually returned to Cleveland in 2014 and found a team that was far less organized and more lackadaisical in its habits, James prescribed a healthy dose of the Heat Way.

Though James left and returned, he was undoubtedly "of Cleveland," as was 2011 No. 1 draft pick Kyrie Irving. The 2016 champion Cavs, like virtually every winner in recent memory, featured superstars native to their organization. Outside of the 2019-20 Lakers, no team comprising a core without a homegrown star as one of its two best players has won a title in more than 40 years.

If the superstar is the culture, he better be the right superstar and, most important, a homegrown one.

THE COMPOSITION OF the postseason field that tips off this weekend reveals an emerging truth about the NBA: Superteams, like the Nets and Lakers, are out. Homegrown squads -- with perhaps the strategic acquisition of a "final piece" -- are very much in.

The Phoenix Suns tower over the rest of the league. The Memphis Grizzlies, almost an entirely homegrown roster, are a decisive second. The Milwaukee Bucks enter the playoffs as the incumbent champions whose blueprint was used to build something special. And the Boston Celtics staged a second-half rally to vault themselves toward the top of the standings, with the East's best point differential by a wide margin. The teams best equipped for success aren't those meeting with marquee free agents in July or trying to nab stars at the trade deadline in February, but are those that develop from within.

The most recent dynasty, the Warriors, stands as the ultimate prototype, as did the Spurs team Golden State dislodged as Western Conference champs. The Suns added a veteran star point guard in Chris Paul to a strong youth movement he has mentored. Paul accelerated and refined a culture, but he didn't replace it.

The Grizzlies' ceiling, with homegrown star Ja Morant, hasn't yet been defined, but the sky is high in Memphis, which is offering a template in ground-up construction in which players, coaches and management collaborate in the building.

Giannis Antetokounmpo presides in Milwaukee as one of the iconic leaders of his generation. Drafted as a teenager, Antetokounmpo grew up in the organization and stayed, in large part, because he feels he has a piece of the enterprise he has helped build. And if the Celtics win this postseason, it won't be with Irving, Gordon Hayward or Al Horford on massive long-term deals, but with a starting five comprising their first-round picks in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and journeyman Horford with only a single guaranteed season remaining on his contract.

Too often, the superteam requires an organization to sign away custody of its culture to outsiders. And superstars, even those with the most blessed talent, are still outsiders. They have egos to accommodate and brands to manage. Their on-court preferences will supersede anything previously installed or valued, because dominant people dominate.

The payoff increasingly doesn't justify the sacrifice. As much as a superstar like James or Durant can survive in chaos, teams have much more trouble. The vagaries of the NBA season present countless pitfalls. In those moments, organizations must have some first principles to draw upon, even if superstars can rely on sheer talent.

Yet free agency isn't a trend, it's a reality, and superstars feel more empowered than ever to demand trades, even in the midst of a long-term contract. NBA teams, particularly those in glam markets, will forever be drawn to the max superstar -- whether or not he warrants the max or is worth the trouble. Talent is alluring, and developing homegrown stars isn't easy.

Brooklyn, the Clippers and the next team that lures a couple of marquee names from outside the franchise could win, and win big.

But until that happens, the NBA's ma and pa shops are emboldened. If they want superstars, they'll grow their own.

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114. "RE: Is The Superteam Era Over? (ESPN+)"
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>(KD Steph and Klay and Dray did just fine as a superteam
>until the injuries, if KD Harden and Kyrie were all vaxed and
>healthy, I think they win the title, if the Lakers were all
>healthy, they win a playoff series at the very least.. even
>with Westbrook being what he is)
>
>(does Miami count as a superteam? or just a bunch of really
>good players?)
>
>
>https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33719050/lessons-brooklyn-nets-controversy-filled-season-superteam-era-over
>
>KYRIE IRVING'S OPENING act in Brooklyn was marred only by
>slick footing. It was the final possession of his first
>regular-season game -- Oct. 23, 2019 -- against the Minnesota
>Timberwolves. With 50 points already in the bank and the crowd
>roaring in anticipation, Irving dribbled opposite Josh Okogie
>with the game hanging in the balance, before slipping and
>performing an aerial cartwheel, falling but maintaining his
>dribble. He immediately popped back up and nearly drained an
>off-balance winning fadeaway at the buzzer.
>
>The Nets lost the season opener, but electricity coursed
>through Barclays Center. Brooklyn had its first bona fide star
>in his prime suiting up for the Nets, one who would record
>point totals of 50, 39, 37 and 33 over his first 11 games
>before being sidelined by a shoulder impingement.
>
>Yet talent comes with cost, especially with Irving. League
>sources say executives, coaches and players who were present
>during Irving's time in Cleveland and Boston shared with the
>Nets negative intel -- his unresponsiveness and truculence
>with coaches, his lack of self-awareness with teammates, his
>constant defiance of offensive game plans, his disinterest in
>playing off the ball. But the Nets, multiple sources say, knew
>that bringing Irving aboard was the cost of doing business: No
>Irving, No Kevin Durant.
>
>To be sure, the Nets would be acquiring an otherworldly talent
>to pair with Durant. For all of Irving's fickle behavior, his
>production, shot creation and finishing ability have been
>among the league's best (11th in points per chance among 40
>players with at least 7,500 shot attempts since 2013-14, when
>Second Spectrum began tracking).
>
>But the Nets team he and Durant were joining was a paragon of
>cohesion -- a team of castoffs, lower draft picks and
>reclamation projects who had overachieved and embraced an
>effort to build from the ground up.
>
>Over the next year, several of the linchpins of that culture
>would be dealt to acquire James Harden to form a superteam.
>
>By the time Harden grumbled his way out of Brooklyn, as he had
>into Brooklyn, the vibe at the facility in Sunset Park was
>vastly different -- and the league took notice. Several top
>league executives assert that devising a strategy around
>chasing big-name stars doesn't hold the same appeal it once
>did. They've watched the likes of the Celtics in the Kyrie
>Era, and now the Brooklyn Nets, the Los Angeles Lakers and --
>for the time being -- the LA Clippers believe they could
>absorb superstars into their existing structures, only to be
>underwhelmed by the results.
>
>One unintended consequence of bringing in players like Durant
>and Irving is that an upstart core often hears a pointed
>message that management doesn't entirely believe in what is
>being built, despite years of gospelizing the value of
>culture. As much as an organization might believe that
>arriving superstars will adapt to the team culture that
>preceded them, superstars often don't adapt to cultures; they
>replace them.
>
>
>"Assembling a superteam is something very, very few
>organizations can do," one senior league executive says. "And
>we're seeing that even fewer can actually pull it off because
>superstars aren't enough -- it has to be the right superstars
>in the right culture. What this current era of NBA basketball
>is showing us is that going all-in -- whether it's with cap
>space or all of your loot -- to go acquire two or three of the
>top talented players in the league and having either
>underperforming infrastructure or a complete lack of roster
>depth, you're doing nothing favorable for your organization."
>
>No team serves as a more compelling study than the Nets, who
>are still looking for a sustained breakout as they scrap for a
>playoff berth in the play-in tournament. The Lakers didn't
>even get that far.
>
>This postseason offers a referendum -- is the era of the
>superteam over?
>
>
>FEW PHENOMENONS DEFINE the era of player empowerment more than
>the superteam. After decades of watching a bunch of
>functionaries move pieces around the chessboard, the talented
>stars who drive the value of the NBA decided they would
>determine where they'd play and with whom they'd play.
>
>Two of those stars, Durant and Irving, opted to sign with
>Brooklyn when they hit free agency in 2019. Nabbing the duo
>required no recruitment, something Marks told the media in the
>days following the signing. Durant and Irving intended to play
>together somewhere. Durant said in 2019 he never even spoke to
>the Nets before deciding to come to Brooklyn.
>
>The Nets team those superstars joined was a feel-good story.
>Capable NBA franchises sell either hope or success, and in
>2019, the Nets had given their fans plenty of the first with
>promises of the second. A team headlined by D'Angelo Russell
>(traded away by the Lakers after two seasons), Jarrett Allen
>(a late first-round pick in only his second year), Joe Harris
>(acquired along with cash considerations for a second-round
>pick) and Spencer Dinwiddie (waived twice by the Bulls prior
>to the 2016 season) scrapped its way to 42 wins and a playoff
>berth as the No. 6 seed.
>
>A young front office with Spurs alumnus Sean Marks at the helm
>had finally shaken off the last vestiges of the disastrous
>2013 trade with the Boston Celtics that gutted the
>organization of its draft assets. Marks and head coach Kenny
>Atkinson helped transform the culture of one of the league's
>woebegone franchises.
>
>The Nets bowed out in the first round of the 2019 playoffs
>with a 4-1 series loss to the Philadelphia 76ers, a dignified
>exit for a team that had won only 69 games during the previous
>three seasons. Yet as pride coursed through this band of
>overachievers, a reality set in for the Nets' ownership and
>brass, sources say: Overachievers don't win NBA championships.
>Achievers do.
>
>Enter the superstars.
>
>IRVING BEGAN HIS tenure as the lone superstar on the floor, as
>Durant spent his first season with the Nets sidelined by a
>torn Achilles tendon suffered in the 2019 Finals. Irving
>ultimately played only 20 of the Nets' 64 games before
>undergoing season-ending surgery. NBA players typically
>operate with some degree of isolation from the team when
>working through rehab, but Irving and Durant had a bevy of
>medical specialists and personal trainers outside the team's
>purview that added to their sense of removal from the Nets,
>sources say.
>
>Atkinson had some difficulty managing the superstars from
>afar. According to multiple sources, the starting assignment
>at center became a source of internal strife, with DeAndre
>Jordan the preferred option for the vets, while Atkinson
>favored the blossoming Allen. Sources describe the situation
>as a proxy battle between the scrappy pre-2019 Nets and the
>new brand-name iteration. As much as the existing core in
>Brooklyn acknowledged that having transcendent talents would
>goose the offense, the cultural transition "bummed them out a
>little," in the words of one source with knowledge of the
>locker room dynamic.
>
>Durant was initially impressed by his intel on Atkinson's
>approach to his coaching craft coming into Brooklyn, but as
>the Nets languished, sources say he was increasingly
>underwhelmed by the team's lackluster play. Though multiple
>sources with knowledge of the Nets' internal machinations say
>that reports that Atkinson's firing in March 2020 was at the
>direct command of Durant and Irving are greatly exaggerated,
>the dynamics that led to Atkinson's demise in Brooklyn were
>informed in large part by the new composition of the roster.
>
>Admire him, loathe him, pity him or be confounded by him,
>Irving has been a very complicated piece in that composition.
>One Nets source says it's not so much one single act that
>weighs on the team or organization, but rather Irving in the
>aggregate: "It's always something," irrespective of how
>productive he is when he suits up.
>
>Brooklyn's acquisition of James Harden, 18 months after
>signing Durant and Irving, was the ultimate Faustian bargain.
>By trading away Jarrett Allen, who made the All-Star team this
>season, and Caris LeVert, the team's 13th-ranked defense got
>1.4 points per 100 possessions worse and plummeted to 22nd.
>The Nets bowed out to Milwaukee in the conference semifinals.
>Comparatively, the Nets' short-handed, seven-game effort
>against the Bucks without Irving for the final three games,
>and with Harden absent for Games 2, 3 and 4, might be the
>highlight of the Harden Era in Brooklyn.
>
>Sources say that much of the discontent between Harden and the
>Nets started in September when he arrived into training camp
>out of shape. Durant had been understanding of Harden's
>predicament in Houston as a man in need of new scenery, but
>also tacitly expected his former teammate to commit himself to
>conditioning and self-care when he came seeking a title in
>Brooklyn, according to a source close to both stars. With
>Irving's status already in flux due to his unwillingness to
>get vaccinated, Durant was astonished in the opening weeks of
>the season at Harden's lack of explosiveness and sluggish
>play, something he attributed in large part to Harden's being
>out of shape, as he did the ensuing hamstring issues.
>
>Harden, sources say, found Durant's slant grating and
>self-righteous. The two never resolved the conflict, and there
>was little that teammates, coach Steve Nash or Marks could do
>to mediate it. With each passing week, Harden became more
>isolated, with staff and teammates increasingly frustrated by
>the static. The Nets ultimately excised him from the locker
>room in a blockbuster trade deadline deal with Philadelphia
>for Ben Simmons.
>
>The notion that Harden -- or Irving -- would find religion in
>Brooklyn and embrace the culture when surrounded by colleagues
>he respected now seems quaint. Culture can encourage a
>superstar, but it can't change him. To a superstar, culture is
>merely a series of suggestions, not a list of imperatives.
>
>Above any one superstar's temperament, the overall ethic in
>Brooklyn has changed over the past two years. As one source
>inside the organization characterized it, the Nets have gone
>from a team for which decisions both on and off the court were
>made in service to a conscious culture, to one where decisions
>are made to please certain constituencies, be it star players
>or ownership. Cardinal principles like accountability run
>second to the whims and preferences of stars like Irving,
>Harden and Durant. That trade-off can manifest itself in any
>number of smaller ways -- a softer defensive scheme preferred
>by the stars, an ad-hoc offense or even availability to play
>-- and the biggest one: esprit de corps.
>
>Marks disagrees with this portrayal. "We have always involved
>our key stakeholders at the appropriate times," he says. "Our
>players are at the core of everything we do. They set and
>drive our culture, and receiving their input sometimes allows
>you to see things from a different point of view. Ownership
>has been nothing but supportive of our decisions. Personally,
>I love bouncing ideas off Joe ."
>
>Nevertheless, the superteam construction is a bargain that has
>yet to pay dividends for the Nets, and they're not alone.
>
>GIVE THE LAKERS some credit: Unlike the Celtics of the
>mid-aughts and the Nets of today, they don't operate under the
>pretense of "culture." In Lakerland, the superstars are the
>culture. The late Jerry Buss established the star system as
>the franchise identity decades ago, and the Lakers have stayed
>true to it. Let the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat have
>their precious culture. Let them break bread and bask in the
>"Heat Way." We'll bank on talent.
>
>This year's model was no different, packed with five surefire
>Hall of Famers, four of them 33 years of age or older. Seduced
>again by brand names last summer, the Lakers demonstrated
>their institutional prioritization of superstars over
>cultural, as well as on-court, alignment. The team acquired
>Russell Westbrook in exchange for much of its depth and some
>of its grittier contributors. James was publicly defensive
>over his role in constructing the roster and voiced assorted
>veiled comments about Lakers management. Meanwhile, deposed
>coach Frank Vogel needed the permission of the front office to
>bench Westbrook in the fourth quarter. The results were
>disastrous, as the joyless firm of James, Anthony Davis and
>Westbrook failed miserably.
>
>Yet it's not as if it hasn't worked before, lest we forget
>that they won a championship in Davis' first full season after
>he pushed his way to the Lakers in 2019. And James has had
>plenty of success at his previous stops.
>
>His Miami and Cleveland teams boasted one crucial difference
>to the current Lakers -- and Nets -- squads: Despite their
>constructions as superteams, each featured at least one
>megastar who was indigenous to the organization.
>
>History shows that a superteam has a better chance to succeed
>with an organizational anchor. The Big Three in Boston, which
>presaged the Superteam Era, dominated the 2008 season, with
>Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen joining Paul Pierce, the Celtic
>product. The construction of the 2010-11 Miami Heat might have
>been radical in assembly, but they had a strong mainstay in
>Dwyane Wade. As commanding as James was, he was not going to
>divert from the Heat Way, so long as Wade and Pat Riley were
>driving the bus. And when James eventually returned to
>Cleveland in 2014 and found a team that was far less organized
>and more lackadaisical in its habits, James prescribed a
>healthy dose of the Heat Way.
>
>Though James left and returned, he was undoubtedly "of
>Cleveland," as was 2011 No. 1 draft pick Kyrie Irving. The
>2016 champion Cavs, like virtually every winner in recent
>memory, featured superstars native to their organization.
>Outside of the 2019-20 Lakers, no team comprising a core
>without a homegrown star as one of its two best players has
>won a title in more than 40 years.
>
>If the superstar is the culture, he better be the right
>superstar and, most important, a homegrown one.
>
>THE COMPOSITION OF the postseason field that tips off this
>weekend reveals an emerging truth about the NBA: Superteams,
>like the Nets and Lakers, are out. Homegrown squads -- with
>perhaps the strategic acquisition of a "final piece" -- are
>very much in.
>
>The Phoenix Suns tower over the rest of the league. The
>Memphis Grizzlies, almost an entirely homegrown roster, are a
>decisive second. The Milwaukee Bucks enter the playoffs as the
>incumbent champions whose blueprint was used to build
>something special. And the Boston Celtics staged a second-half
>rally to vault themselves toward the top of the standings,
>with the East's best point differential by a wide margin. The
>teams best equipped for success aren't those meeting with
>marquee free agents in July or trying to nab stars at the
>trade deadline in February, but are those that develop from
>within.
>
>The most recent dynasty, the Warriors, stands as the ultimate
>prototype, as did the Spurs team Golden State dislodged as
>Western Conference champs. The Suns added a veteran star point
>guard in Chris Paul to a strong youth movement he has
>mentored. Paul accelerated and refined a culture, but he
>didn't replace it.
>
>The Grizzlies' ceiling, with homegrown star Ja Morant, hasn't
>yet been defined, but the sky is high in Memphis, which is
>offering a template in ground-up construction in which
>players, coaches and management collaborate in the building.
>
>Giannis Antetokounmpo presides in Milwaukee as one of the
>iconic leaders of his generation. Drafted as a teenager,
>Antetokounmpo grew up in the organization and stayed, in large
>part, because he feels he has a piece of the enterprise he has
>helped build. And if the Celtics win this postseason, it won't
>be with Irving, Gordon Hayward or Al Horford on massive
>long-term deals, but with a starting five comprising their
>first-round picks in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and journeyman
>Horford with only a single guaranteed season remaining on his
>contract.
>
>Too often, the superteam requires an organization to sign away
>custody of its culture to outsiders. And superstars, even
>those with the most blessed talent, are still outsiders. They
>have egos to accommodate and brands to manage. Their on-court
>preferences will supersede anything previously installed or
>valued, because dominant people dominate.
>
>The payoff increasingly doesn't justify the sacrifice. As much
>as a superstar like James or Durant can survive in chaos,
>teams have much more trouble. The vagaries of the NBA season
>present countless pitfalls. In those moments, organizations
>must have some first principles to draw upon, even if
>superstars can rely on sheer talent.
>
>Yet free agency isn't a trend, it's a reality, and superstars
>feel more empowered than ever to demand trades, even in the
>midst of a long-term contract. NBA teams, particularly those
>in glam markets, will forever be drawn to the max superstar --
>whether or not he warrants the max or is worth the trouble.
>Talent is alluring, and developing homegrown stars isn't
>easy.
>
>Brooklyn, the Clippers and the next team that lures a couple
>of marquee names from outside the franchise could win, and win
>big.
>t
>But until that happens, the NBA's ma and pa shops are
>emboldened. If they want superstars, they'll grow their own.

That's a quaint thought but not factual. Milwaukee didn't "grow" Jrue and Middleton they traded for them. Nobody thought Giannis would win a title in Milwaukee until he did.

If KD's ego allowed him to stay with GS that super team is still rolling.

Pelinka fumbled the ball in LA with Russ and other personnel decisions but they got it done in 2020.

Up until a few months ago people were saying Boston was a failure and their 2 stars needed to be broken up.

Memphis and Phoenix are just cool stories until they actually win it. Phoenix has major contract decisions coming up and this is pretty much a title or bust season for them.

The problem with a "homegrown" team be players contract demands usually exceed their growth. The same reason Durant, Westbrook and Harden were separated before they won even though they did reach the Finals in 2012.

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117. "Middleton was very average when he left the Pistons"
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he was only in Detroit for one year

Milwaukee definitely grew him, but not Jrue.

I wonder if this writer considers the Clippers a super team with a healthy Kawhi, or does it HAVE to include a third superstar.

>>(KD Steph and Klay and Dray did just fine as a superteam
>>until the injuries, if KD Harden and Kyrie were all vaxed
>and
>>healthy, I think they win the title, if the Lakers were all
>>healthy, they win a playoff series at the very least.. even
>>with Westbrook being what he is)
>>
>>(does Miami count as a superteam? or just a bunch of really
>>good players?)
>>
>>
>>https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33719050/lessons-brooklyn-nets-controversy-filled-season-superteam-era-over
>>
>>KYRIE IRVING'S OPENING act in Brooklyn was marred only by
>>slick footing. It was the final possession of his first
>>regular-season game -- Oct. 23, 2019 -- against the
>Minnesota
>>Timberwolves. With 50 points already in the bank and the
>crowd
>>roaring in anticipation, Irving dribbled opposite Josh
>Okogie
>>with the game hanging in the balance, before slipping and
>>performing an aerial cartwheel, falling but maintaining his
>>dribble. He immediately popped back up and nearly drained an
>>off-balance winning fadeaway at the buzzer.
>>
>>The Nets lost the season opener, but electricity coursed
>>through Barclays Center. Brooklyn had its first bona fide
>star
>>in his prime suiting up for the Nets, one who would record
>>point totals of 50, 39, 37 and 33 over his first 11 games
>>before being sidelined by a shoulder impingement.
>>
>>Yet talent comes with cost, especially with Irving. League
>>sources say executives, coaches and players who were present
>>during Irving's time in Cleveland and Boston shared with the
>>Nets negative intel -- his unresponsiveness and truculence
>>with coaches, his lack of self-awareness with teammates, his
>>constant defiance of offensive game plans, his disinterest
>in
>>playing off the ball. But the Nets, multiple sources say,
>knew
>>that bringing Irving aboard was the cost of doing business:
>No
>>Irving, No Kevin Durant.
>>
>>To be sure, the Nets would be acquiring an otherworldly
>talent
>>to pair with Durant. For all of Irving's fickle behavior,
>his
>>production, shot creation and finishing ability have been
>>among the league's best (11th in points per chance among 40
>>players with at least 7,500 shot attempts since 2013-14,
>when
>>Second Spectrum began tracking).
>>
>>But the Nets team he and Durant were joining was a paragon
>of
>>cohesion -- a team of castoffs, lower draft picks and
>>reclamation projects who had overachieved and embraced an
>>effort to build from the ground up.
>>
>>Over the next year, several of the linchpins of that culture
>>would be dealt to acquire James Harden to form a superteam.
>>
>>By the time Harden grumbled his way out of Brooklyn, as he
>had
>>into Brooklyn, the vibe at the facility in Sunset Park was
>>vastly different -- and the league took notice. Several top
>>league executives assert that devising a strategy around
>>chasing big-name stars doesn't hold the same appeal it once
>>did. They've watched the likes of the Celtics in the Kyrie
>>Era, and now the Brooklyn Nets, the Los Angeles Lakers and
>--
>>for the time being -- the LA Clippers believe they could
>>absorb superstars into their existing structures, only to be
>>underwhelmed by the results.
>>
>>One unintended consequence of bringing in players like
>Durant
>>and Irving is that an upstart core often hears a pointed
>>message that management doesn't entirely believe in what is
>>being built, despite years of gospelizing the value of
>>culture. As much as an organization might believe that
>>arriving superstars will adapt to the team culture that
>>preceded them, superstars often don't adapt to cultures;
>they
>>replace them.
>>
>>
>>"Assembling a superteam is something very, very few
>>organizations can do," one senior league executive says.
>"And
>>we're seeing that even fewer can actually pull it off
>because
>>superstars aren't enough -- it has to be the right
>superstars
>>in the right culture. What this current era of NBA
>basketball
>>is showing us is that going all-in -- whether it's with cap
>>space or all of your loot -- to go acquire two or three of
>the
>>top talented players in the league and having either
>>underperforming infrastructure or a complete lack of roster
>>depth, you're doing nothing favorable for your
>organization."
>>
>>No team serves as a more compelling study than the Nets, who
>>are still looking for a sustained breakout as they scrap for
>a
>>playoff berth in the play-in tournament. The Lakers didn't
>>even get that far.
>>
>>This postseason offers a referendum -- is the era of the
>>superteam over?
>>
>>
>>FEW PHENOMENONS DEFINE the era of player empowerment more
>than
>>the superteam. After decades of watching a bunch of
>>functionaries move pieces around the chessboard, the
>talented
>>stars who drive the value of the NBA decided they would
>>determine where they'd play and with whom they'd play.
>>
>>Two of those stars, Durant and Irving, opted to sign with
>>Brooklyn when they hit free agency in 2019. Nabbing the duo
>>required no recruitment, something Marks told the media in
>the
>>days following the signing. Durant and Irving intended to
>play
>>together somewhere. Durant said in 2019 he never even spoke
>to
>>the Nets before deciding to come to Brooklyn.
>>
>>The Nets team those superstars joined was a feel-good story.
>>Capable NBA franchises sell either hope or success, and in
>>2019, the Nets had given their fans plenty of the first with
>>promises of the second. A team headlined by D'Angelo Russell
>>(traded away by the Lakers after two seasons), Jarrett Allen
>>(a late first-round pick in only his second year), Joe
>Harris
>>(acquired along with cash considerations for a second-round
>>pick) and Spencer Dinwiddie (waived twice by the Bulls prior
>>to the 2016 season) scrapped its way to 42 wins and a
>playoff
>>berth as the No. 6 seed.
>>
>>A young front office with Spurs alumnus Sean Marks at the
>helm
>>had finally shaken off the last vestiges of the disastrous
>>2013 trade with the Boston Celtics that gutted the
>>organization of its draft assets. Marks and head coach Kenny
>>Atkinson helped transform the culture of one of the league's
>>woebegone franchises.
>>
>>The Nets bowed out in the first round of the 2019 playoffs
>>with a 4-1 series loss to the Philadelphia 76ers, a
>dignified
>>exit for a team that had won only 69 games during the
>previous
>>three seasons. Yet as pride coursed through this band of
>>overachievers, a reality set in for the Nets' ownership and
>>brass, sources say: Overachievers don't win NBA
>championships.
>>Achievers do.
>>
>>Enter the superstars.
>>
>>IRVING BEGAN HIS tenure as the lone superstar on the floor,
>as
>>Durant spent his first season with the Nets sidelined by a
>>torn Achilles tendon suffered in the 2019 Finals. Irving
>>ultimately played only 20 of the Nets' 64 games before
>>undergoing season-ending surgery. NBA players typically
>>operate with some degree of isolation from the team when
>>working through rehab, but Irving and Durant had a bevy of
>>medical specialists and personal trainers outside the team's
>>purview that added to their sense of removal from the Nets,
>>sources say.
>>
>>Atkinson had some difficulty managing the superstars from
>>afar. According to multiple sources, the starting assignment
>>at center became a source of internal strife, with DeAndre
>>Jordan the preferred option for the vets, while Atkinson
>>favored the blossoming Allen. Sources describe the situation
>>as a proxy battle between the scrappy pre-2019 Nets and the
>>new brand-name iteration. As much as the existing core in
>>Brooklyn acknowledged that having transcendent talents would
>>goose the offense, the cultural transition "bummed them out
>a
>>little," in the words of one source with knowledge of the
>>locker room dynamic.
>>
>>Durant was initially impressed by his intel on Atkinson's
>>approach to his coaching craft coming into Brooklyn, but as
>>the Nets languished, sources say he was increasingly
>>underwhelmed by the team's lackluster play. Though multiple
>>sources with knowledge of the Nets' internal machinations
>say
>>that reports that Atkinson's firing in March 2020 was at the
>>direct command of Durant and Irving are greatly exaggerated,
>>the dynamics that led to Atkinson's demise in Brooklyn were
>>informed in large part by the new composition of the roster.
>>
>>Admire him, loathe him, pity him or be confounded by him,
>>Irving has been a very complicated piece in that
>composition.
>>One Nets source says it's not so much one single act that
>>weighs on the team or organization, but rather Irving in the
>>aggregate: "It's always something," irrespective of how
>>productive he is when he suits up.
>>
>>Brooklyn's acquisition of James Harden, 18 months after
>>signing Durant and Irving, was the ultimate Faustian
>bargain.
>>By trading away Jarrett Allen, who made the All-Star team
>this
>>season, and Caris LeVert, the team's 13th-ranked defense got
>>1.4 points per 100 possessions worse and plummeted to 22nd.
>>The Nets bowed out to Milwaukee in the conference
>semifinals.
>>Comparatively, the Nets' short-handed, seven-game effort
>>against the Bucks without Irving for the final three games,
>>and with Harden absent for Games 2, 3 and 4, might be the
>>highlight of the Harden Era in Brooklyn.
>>
>>Sources say that much of the discontent between Harden and
>the
>>Nets started in September when he arrived into training camp
>>out of shape. Durant had been understanding of Harden's
>>predicament in Houston as a man in need of new scenery, but
>>also tacitly expected his former teammate to commit himself
>to
>>conditioning and self-care when he came seeking a title in
>>Brooklyn, according to a source close to both stars. With
>>Irving's status already in flux due to his unwillingness to
>>get vaccinated, Durant was astonished in the opening weeks
>of
>>the season at Harden's lack of explosiveness and sluggish
>>play, something he attributed in large part to Harden's
>being
>>out of shape, as he did the ensuing hamstring issues.
>>
>>Harden, sources say, found Durant's slant grating and
>>self-righteous. The two never resolved the conflict, and
>there
>>was little that teammates, coach Steve Nash or Marks could
>do
>>to mediate it. With each passing week, Harden became more
>>isolated, with staff and teammates increasingly frustrated
>by
>>the static. The Nets ultimately excised him from the locker
>>room in a blockbuster trade deadline deal with Philadelphia
>>for Ben Simmons.
>>
>>The notion that Harden -- or Irving -- would find religion
>in
>>Brooklyn and embrace the culture when surrounded by
>colleagues
>>he respected now seems quaint. Culture can encourage a
>>superstar, but it can't change him. To a superstar, culture
>is
>>merely a series of suggestions, not a list of imperatives.
>>
>>Above any one superstar's temperament, the overall ethic in
>>Brooklyn has changed over the past two years. As one source
>>inside the organization characterized it, the Nets have gone
>>from a team for which decisions both on and off the court
>were
>>made in service to a conscious culture, to one where
>decisions
>>are made to please certain constituencies, be it star
>players
>>or ownership. Cardinal principles like accountability run
>>second to the whims and preferences of stars like Irving,
>>Harden and Durant. That trade-off can manifest itself in any
>>number of smaller ways -- a softer defensive scheme
>preferred
>>by the stars, an ad-hoc offense or even availability to play
>>-- and the biggest one: esprit de corps.
>>
>>Marks disagrees with this portrayal. "We have always
>involved
>>our key stakeholders at the appropriate times," he says.
>"Our
>>players are at the core of everything we do. They set and
>>drive our culture, and receiving their input sometimes
>allows
>>you to see things from a different point of view. Ownership
>>has been nothing but supportive of our decisions.
>Personally,
>>I love bouncing ideas off Joe ."
>>
>>Nevertheless, the superteam construction is a bargain that
>has
>>yet to pay dividends for the Nets, and they're not alone.
>>
>>GIVE THE LAKERS some credit: Unlike the Celtics of the
>>mid-aughts and the Nets of today, they don't operate under
>the
>>pretense of "culture." In Lakerland, the superstars are the
>>culture. The late Jerry Buss established the star system as
>>the franchise identity decades ago, and the Lakers have
>stayed
>>true to it. Let the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat have
>>their precious culture. Let them break bread and bask in the
>>"Heat Way." We'll bank on talent.
>>
>>This year's model was no different, packed with five
>surefire
>>Hall of Famers, four of them 33 years of age or older.
>Seduced
>>again by brand names last summer, the Lakers demonstrated
>>their institutional prioritization of superstars over
>>cultural, as well as on-court, alignment. The team acquired
>>Russell Westbrook in exchange for much of its depth and some
>>of its grittier contributors. James was publicly defensive
>>over his role in constructing the roster and voiced assorted
>>veiled comments about Lakers management. Meanwhile, deposed
>>coach Frank Vogel needed the permission of the front office
>to
>>bench Westbrook in the fourth quarter. The results were
>>disastrous, as the joyless firm of James, Anthony Davis and
>>Westbrook failed miserably.
>>
>>Yet it's not as if it hasn't worked before, lest we forget
>>that they won a championship in Davis' first full season
>after
>>he pushed his way to the Lakers in 2019. And James has had
>>plenty of success at his previous stops.
>>
>>His Miami and Cleveland teams boasted one crucial difference
>>to the current Lakers -- and Nets -- squads: Despite their
>>constructions as superteams, each featured at least one
>>megastar who was indigenous to the organization.
>>
>>History shows that a superteam has a better chance to
>succeed
>>with an organizational anchor. The Big Three in Boston,
>which
>>presaged the Superteam Era, dominated the 2008 season, with
>>Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen joining Paul Pierce, the Celtic
>>product. The construction of the 2010-11 Miami Heat might
>have
>>been radical in assembly, but they had a strong mainstay in
>>Dwyane Wade. As commanding as James was, he was not going to
>>divert from the Heat Way, so long as Wade and Pat Riley were
>>driving the bus. And when James eventually returned to
>>Cleveland in 2014 and found a team that was far less
>organized
>>and more lackadaisical in its habits, James prescribed a
>>healthy dose of the Heat Way.
>>
>>Though James left and returned, he was undoubtedly "of
>>Cleveland," as was 2011 No. 1 draft pick Kyrie Irving. The
>>2016 champion Cavs, like virtually every winner in recent
>>memory, featured superstars native to their organization.
>>Outside of the 2019-20 Lakers, no team comprising a core
>>without a homegrown star as one of its two best players has
>>won a title in more than 40 years.
>>
>>If the superstar is the culture, he better be the right
>>superstar and, most important, a homegrown one.
>>
>>THE COMPOSITION OF the postseason field that tips off this
>>weekend reveals an emerging truth about the NBA: Superteams,
>>like the Nets and Lakers, are out. Homegrown squads -- with
>>perhaps the strategic acquisition of a "final piece" -- are
>>very much in.
>>
>>The Phoenix Suns tower over the rest of the league. The
>>Memphis Grizzlies, almost an entirely homegrown roster, are
>a
>>decisive second. The Milwaukee Bucks enter the playoffs as
>the
>>incumbent champions whose blueprint was used to build
>>something special. And the Boston Celtics staged a
>second-half
>>rally to vault themselves toward the top of the standings,
>>with the East's best point differential by a wide margin.
>The
>>teams best equipped for success aren't those meeting with
>>marquee free agents in July or trying to nab stars at the
>>trade deadline in February, but are those that develop from
>>within.
>>
>>The most recent dynasty, the Warriors, stands as the
>ultimate
>>prototype, as did the Spurs team Golden State dislodged as
>>Western Conference champs. The Suns added a veteran star
>point
>>guard in Chris Paul to a strong youth movement he has
>>mentored. Paul accelerated and refined a culture, but he
>>didn't replace it.
>>
>>The Grizzlies' ceiling, with homegrown star Ja Morant,
>hasn't
>>yet been defined, but the sky is high in Memphis, which is
>>offering a template in ground-up construction in which
>>players, coaches and management collaborate in the building.
>>
>>Giannis Antetokounmpo presides in Milwaukee as one of the
>>iconic leaders of his generation. Drafted as a teenager,
>>Antetokounmpo grew up in the organization and stayed, in
>large
>>part, because he feels he has a piece of the enterprise he
>has
>>helped build. And if the Celtics win this postseason, it
>won't
>>be with Irving, Gordon Hayward or Al Horford on massive
>>long-term deals, but with a starting five comprising their
>>first-round picks in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and
>journeyman
>>Horford with only a single guaranteed season remaining on
>his
>>contract.
>>
>>Too often, the superteam requires an organization to sign
>away
>>custody of its culture to outsiders. And superstars, even
>>those with the most blessed talent, are still outsiders.
>They
>>have egos to accommodate and brands to manage. Their
>on-court
>>preferences will supersede anything previously installed or
>>valued, because dominant people dominate.
>>
>>The payoff increasingly doesn't justify the sacrifice. As
>much
>>as a superstar like James or Durant can survive in chaos,
>>teams have much more trouble. The vagaries of the NBA season
>>present countless pitfalls. In those moments, organizations
>>must have some first principles to draw upon, even if
>>superstars can rely on sheer talent.
>>
>>Yet free agency isn't a trend, it's a reality, and
>superstars
>>feel more empowered than ever to demand trades, even in the
>>midst of a long-term contract. NBA teams, particularly those
>>in glam markets, will forever be drawn to the max superstar
>--
>>whether or not he warrants the max or is worth the trouble.
>>Talent is alluring, and developing homegrown stars isn't
>>easy.
>>
>>Brooklyn, the Clippers and the next team that lures a couple
>>of marquee names from outside the franchise could win, and
>win
>>big.
>>t
>>But until that happens, the NBA's ma and pa shops are
>>emboldened. If they want superstars, they'll grow their own.
>
>That's a quaint thought but not factual. Milwaukee didn't
>"grow" Jrue and Middleton they traded for them. Nobody thought
>Giannis would win a title in Milwaukee until he did.
>
>If KD's ego allowed him to stay with GS that super team is
>still rolling.
>
>Pelinka fumbled the ball in LA with Russ and other personnel
>decisions but they got it done in 2020.
>
>Up until a few months ago people were saying Boston was a
>failure and their 2 stars needed to be broken up.
>
>Memphis and Phoenix are just cool stories until they actually
>win it. Phoenix has major contract decisions coming up and
>this is pretty much a title or bust season for them.
>
>The problem with a "homegrown" team be players contract
>demands usually exceed their growth. The same reason Durant,
>Westbrook and Harden were separated before they won even
>though they did reach the Finals in 2012.
>

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119. "i don't even remember him being with the pistons shit."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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120. "yeah Giannis wasn't Giannis then either, Kidd gets almost zero credit..."
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for the development of that team similar to Mark Jackson with the Warriors but a lot of it happened under his watch.

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147. "alot of playerrs get better after leaving Detroit...its v weird"
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Tobias Harris
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I'm forgetting a few

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122. "Hornets looking soft and uninterested "
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126. "This coach gotta go. Team is scared to defend the 3. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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128. "the D is what it is. the offense is a bigger issue to me"
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another year of no plan just vibes. there's no shot distribution, no offensive hierachy. no development or prioritization of Lamelo because Borrego clown ass treats him like just another dude

i dont expect the D to be anything good because Borrego is in love w/ the corpse of Plumlee. but the fact that this nigga has no actual strategy pisses me the fuck off and i would've fired him 2 seasons ago before he ever got his sorry hands on lamelo's development. 2 years have been wasted.

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123. "Charlotte buggin with these slapstick turnovers."
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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124. "De'Andre better. "
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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125. "Don’t let Borrego on the plane back to Charlotte"
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No strategy having ass

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127. "condolences to anyone who watched this game."
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including me (against my better judgment).

  

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131. "I thought this would be the good game lol"
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132. "frank suckered me into it."
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139. "I got the Atlanta score right, lol. "
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Didn't realize Charlotte would shit themselves that hard.

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133. "Appreciate it. Hornets look like shit"
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129. "Cancun piece"
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130. "Shower up"
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134. "are the pels pumping in fake crowd noise?"
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or is my audio weird?

  

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136. "yeah they definitely using fake crowd noise."
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crowding 'chanting defense' while being still and their mouths not moving.

  

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135. "Damn, Ingram took that man’s life"
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146. "That was him emerging from his cocoon like Rodan...I am impressed"
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If he is playing with that type of grit, they are a different squad

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138. "Do work Alvarado!!"
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140. "Before CJ got to the Pelicans, they were absolute shit."
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He has transformed this team into a tough team, and with Jones
at the 4 providing good defense inside, they will not make it easy for you.

They just might beat the clippers.

So Dame was the problem all along ...top 75 my ass.

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149. "Not a good year for AD, Beard, and Dame Top 75 arguments. Ha"
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150. "Well, AD and Beard are obvious Top 75, lol."
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But Dame was definitely among the diciest inclusions, so agreed that this wasn't a good year for him to claim his inclusion was valid, lol.

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141. "miles bridges hit a white girl in the head with his mouthpiece lol."
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https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1514415276619616257

thats some shitty ass aim.

  

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142. "He will probably get fined 5,000 -10,000 "
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He let his emotions get the best of him, but it’s possible he thought the fan was
going to attack him with the way the fan leaned over the rail.

It hit the girl on the side between her shoulder/ face actually, but no harm or damage done.

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143. "Yeah. Her and her peeps are about to hit back. "
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144. "he was NOT Steph McGrady with the aim"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Tz7eCPXXI

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145. "Zion doing 360 dunks during warm-ups,"
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but he can’t play?

I’m not understanding.

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148. "Media spending too much time talking about dudes who aren’t playing."
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152. "the media is wondering what everyone else is wondering"
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dude posts himself doing 360 dunks on IG. like, you think there would be a rough timetable for return.

not our fault we think he's bullshitting because he doesn't want to play in new orleans.

  

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153. "True."
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154. "or maybe he wanna play and is showing everybody he healthy"
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but the team holding him back.

In any event, it always make me laugh when players get hurt in 'meaningless' games and its like, see that's why he shouldn't be playing.

When these dudes ain't playing they aint locked up in a bubble either. They practicing, they doing 360 dunks and all types of shit. Hell Amare got hurt in a fucking layup line.lol

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161. "Might be both."
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Dude might be capable of leaping for a 360 in a layup line but not capable of playing full energy for 20+ minutes on an NBA court yet.

In which case, dude wants to show off for fans what he's got even though the team doesn't want to toss him out there yet.

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164. "that's true too"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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155. "injury update:"
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Steph Curry: on track for game 1
Ben Simmons: hopeful for game 4
Luka: Likely out game 1
Harden: still fat

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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157. "LOL. Well done @ the last one"
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156. "The 9 vs. 10 games were kind of pointless"
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Atlanta vs. Charlotte was a dumpster fire and the Hornets played like they didn't care about being there at all.

I guess Pelicans vs. Spurs showed an nationwide audience that both teams could potentially be good next season or the season afterwards. Which is fine, but it doesn't mean that the Pelicans should get a shot at being the 8 seed over a team they finished 6 games behind.

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159. "The “play-in” is pointless"
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158. "bucks in 4"
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i don't see any of these games being close.

we couldn't beat a good team under regular season defense circumstances. no way we have a chance against playoff defense. especially when these guys have no idea how to play such defense themselves.

  

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165. "agreed."
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After the AS break it just all fell apart.
And it wasn't just the defense, offensively the Bulls just struggled.
It has to be more than teams just doubling DeRozan, but I'm not sure what it is.

I'm just hoping we can keep at least 2 games relatively close.

I take solace in the fact that the Patrick Williams 30+ point game
showed me what this team could look like if he was aggressive.
If he could just be consistent, him, Ayo, LaVine, Lonzo are your core.


Yeah. I'm already thinking offseason.

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175. "He is 20 years old."
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It’s not his fault the Bulls are trash. He just returned from his injuries.

He is developing just fine.

LAVINE, DEROZAN and VUCH are responsible for this mess.

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177. "I wasn't blaming Pat Will for this season."
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But the ceiling of this team sits squarely on his shoulders.

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183. "Agreed"
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180. "they gave Caruso big money too for some goose egg games lol..."
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>It’s not his fault the Bulls are trash. He just returned
>from his injuries.
>
>He is developing just fine.
>
>LAVINE, DEROZAN and VUCH are responsible for this mess.

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182. "^^^Capping America "
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162. "Damn, Morey mucked up."
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Portland offered CJ McCollum, Covington, and picks for Ben Simmons.
Morey turned it down. I didn’t know that.



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163. "isn't it a little early for that?"
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>Portland offered CJ McCollum, Covington, and picks for Ben
>Simmons.
>Morey turned it down. I didn’t know that.
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166. "I think CJ would have been a better partner. "
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Right now, his game is better. He is a professional and a leader.

Harden is too busy staying up late at night because he can’t
miss a studio session with Meek.....

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173. "lol right "
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167. "RIP Clippers' season...PG in them protocols...won't play tonight "
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168. "pandemic p for real."
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they only test now if you report symptoms right?

  

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169. "I still wouldn’t bet against Ty Lue playing with house money"
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170. "damn i wanted to see the pels go at them"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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172. "He is symptomatic, too, based on reports."
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With Covid on the rise again due to new variant that’s spreading, the NBA
doesn’t appear to be taking the necessary precautions.

Players and coaches have stopped wearing masks

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186. "Terrence Mann bout to drop 36 tonight, watch."
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I ain't betting against Ty Lue.

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171. "if pels get in the main bracket they should let zion play."
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we need that full clip underdog #8 seed energy against the dominant #1 for the fans sake.

at least make it interesting.

  

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174. "From not playing at all to getting regular minutes in the playoffs?"
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Sounds like you're eager to see Zion get injured.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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176. "i still pay for cable fam."
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im tryna get *my* moneys worth.

  

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184. "Haha"
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https://digife.com

  

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188. "Same, I hate when people ask for series to end quickly. Stfu dummy"
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I want EVERY single series to go 7 games.

I pay for league pass. I need as many games as possible

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189. "when you actually root for a team you just want them to win 16 games."
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202. "You never watch teams that aren't yours?"
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194. "seriously. all i really watch on tv are live sports."
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i need as many games as possible to drive that cost per unit down in my head lol.

  

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178. "The one knock there is on the play in tourney..."
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Is that it seems weird for the #1 seed in either conference to not know who they're playing yet, while the 2-7 seeds are locked in to their matchups. It's not SUPER detrimental, but seems weird for Phoenix and Miami to have less time to prep for a specific opponent.

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181. "that too.."
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>Is that it seems weird for the #1 seed in either conference
>to not know who they're playing yet, while the 2-7 seeds are
>locked in to their matchups. It's not SUPER detrimental, but
>seems weird for Phoenix and Miami to have less time to prep
>for a specific opponent.

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179. "Woj say Luka out for Game 1 and Game 2 looking shaky"
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185. "that's been known lol@Woj taking credit for it"
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187. "kawhis camp at odds with team over injury again."
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https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1514979647339081729

  

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191. "That sounds…bad "
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216. "“Sources”"
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________________________________________
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190. "Lauri Legend!"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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192. "Okay then, Cleveland."
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193. "Whole new team with JA "
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195. "Yep, dude affects so much…"
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when he, Mobley and Lauri are all on the floor at once, they are impossible.

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196. "Damn. Instant karma. "
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197. "Lol…no pull down from the neck? Fuck did they watch???"
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198. "acting like we dont have replay too."
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199. "they just felt sorry for Capela"
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dude already cooked his knee w/ the dirty play. no need to pour on.

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200. "It’s getting a bit contentious. "
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201. "Huerter looking like food, on defense "
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203. "Same for Young. "
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Think it's going to be hard for them to have Young and Huerter on the floor together in a playoff setting. They need a Young and four dope defenders. Only possible option.

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204. "I been patiently waiting for a track to explode on (c)"
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205. "cavs aint even looking at their big men."
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206. "the cavs froze. woof."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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207. "Better offense than defense. All it boils down to."
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Cleveland's had looks, not making them. And it's real goddamn hard to stop Trae Young, he's a monster.

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208. "Damn, they coming unglued "
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209. "Trae is just demolishing every tactic they have for him"
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211. "His floater makes him unguardable."
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Your best hope is to play him physical, but when all he's gonna do is shake you with his elite handle and shot release speed, or quickly move past you, what's your hope? Obviously your best hope is to make him drive and let the bigs try to dissuade him... but he has the best floater in the NBA. So, like... what do you do?

Tire him out by making him guard? He's not gonna guard, that won't work! lol

He's just a monster. If they tailor the lineup correctly around him, they could really do some damage-- they just need everyone else defending. But he could be a Steph level success if the Hawks can find him his Klay and his Dray. (Easier said than done.)

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213. "You just gotta respect so many thing…he’s unfair "
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210. "Trae is just something, man "
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223. "In final seconds: "Where the fuck did everybody go?""
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I like the Cavs but this guy was made for the playoffs, good to have him back. Thanks, play-in.


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212. "Sometimes it's as simple as "the best player won.""
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Like, Trae is just by far the best player on the floor. And he took over the game singlehandedly.

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214. "BI so fucking cooking "
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215. "zions own stepfather said he should be playing?"
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217. "You knew they were gonna come back. "
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I’m so mad the Lakers fumbled the Ty Lue hiring

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218. "bi gotta get going."
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there he goes.

  

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"batum shut all that shit up."


          

  

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220. "His demise was greatly exaggerated "
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219. "Pels got the yips"
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221. "Jonas"
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shitting the bed.

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222. "Play-in stats don’t count."
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That makes zero sense. They just float around in the deep space.

They will not be added as stats in any form or fashion.



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Ryan M
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226. "I mean - where SHOULD they go?"
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If down the line they go to regular season stats or something they can always just add the total numbers in but I have no idea where they SHOULD count, honestly.

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allStah
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234. "They are post season stats!"
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It’s not a damn scrimmage game.

It’s like the wild card game in baseball and football. That’s what
a play in is.

It’s not that complicated.

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Ryan M
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235. "I guess. "
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But there’d be players who have playoff stats who haven’t played in the playoffs. It’s weird. I dunno.

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allStah
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224. "Ty Lue stayed small for too long."
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Lance is killing them on the offensive boards...
and now he just made a senseless challenge on an obvious foul

No rim protection.

Loses TO

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Ryan M
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225. "Please get skipping ass Reggie off my TV"
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Ryan M
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227. "Welp. Good season, Clips. "
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Maybe next year. Again.

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Reeq
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228. "pels manned up and took that thing. salute."
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229. "Incredibly clutch final play by BI. Beautiful."
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232. "He has certainly stepped up to another level. Love how he is"
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in the moment now.

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230. "Happy for Brandon Ingram, unfortunate he has to depend on Zion"
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hopefully, they can trade Williamson to the Knicks (since he's so obsessed with The Mecca) and get some value in exchange


>Tuesday:
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>Nets vs. Cavs
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>Wolves vs. Clippers
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>Wednesday:
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>Hawks vs. Hornets
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>Pelicans vs. Spurs
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>And, of course, Friday TBD.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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allStah
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231. "Look at the Pelicans fly!!"
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Pelicans will beat the Suns. You heard it here first!

Suns are weak as hell in the middle. And Jones is going to
Put them clamps on Booker.

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Ryan M
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233. "In 2 years of this tournament "
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The 9th seed has advanced into the playoffs 3 out of 4 times. Sucks to be the 8th seed.

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237. "jazz are going to take game 1"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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238. "looking for the Heat to take Steph Harden out in style."
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the combination of my least favorite tendencies in modern NBA basketball. when he loses, an Angel gets its wings.

Move over, Braymond! You got company!

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

Jays | Cavs | Eagles | Sabres | Tarheels

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239. "congrats to the Pelicans though. "
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playoffs with a 10 games under .500 team, they really got better after the trades. CJ and LNJ really doing their thing over there. Plus they drafted good guys like Herb Jones et al.

gonna be wild to see this team after the Laker cash-ins and a possible Zion return.

hoping Zion really can get it together, could be some interesting things going on out West if so.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

Jays | Cavs | Eagles | Sabres | Tarheels

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