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"2021-22 NBA Regular Season: Week 17 "
Tue Feb-08-22 04:10 AM by allStah

          

Carmelo Zone: Players who score an astronomical amount of points, but
don’t improve the performance of the team, because they don’t or can’t
do anything else, especially on defense. They are empty calorie players, and their
game lacks fiber and protein.

There are several players throughout the history of basketball who fall
under this category.

Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, World B Free, Dominique Wilkins,
etc. You see where I’m going here. Those are some serious scorers and some
are even top 75, but all were shit on defense and didn’t really make their teams
better.

I’m starting to believe Derozan fits in this category. In Toronto, the raptors constantly
came up short in the POs, and the Spurs went backwards after he was traded to
the team. He is an outstanding scorer, but he is a rag doll on defense, and I’m
not seeing any leadership skills from him.

Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring points, they are seriously empty in
other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to watch. And I know
it’s frustrating for Billy to watch. Three allStar players should not be immensely
paper thin on defense.

Don’t let that score fool you, the Suns doo-doo’d all over us....and no one fears us.










ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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AI didn't improve his team?
Feb 08th 2022
1
Hell naw.
Feb 08th 2022
2
      2001 disagrees with you
Feb 08th 2022
4
      You are buggin regarding AI
Feb 08th 2022
8
Zach LaVine is a max player.
Feb 08th 2022
3
You’re proving my point.
Feb 08th 2022
5
      Oh interesting. I was told there wouldn’t be a defensive fall off.
Feb 08th 2022
6
           I didn’t think there would be.
Feb 08th 2022
7
Beal out for the season. Give the keys to All Star Kuzma.
Feb 08th 2022
9
im never talking bad about russ or the lakers again.
Feb 09th 2022
10
haha... that was so amazing
Feb 09th 2022
11
I’d say LeBron is fired as GM
Feb 09th 2022
13
44 pts, 14 rbs, 8 asts...
Feb 09th 2022
12
Anthony Davis is a fucking BEAST
Feb 09th 2022
15
Nick Wright is that you? - lolololol
Feb 09th 2022
18
It's not just the 44 points - it's the fact he went 17-20 from the field
Feb 09th 2022
20
Lakers: it all starts with defense...
Feb 09th 2022
14
RE: Lakers: it all starts with defense...
Feb 09th 2022
16
Glad Lakers fans are finally calling this $h!t show out..
Feb 09th 2022
17
i believe this goes for all 30 nba teams
Feb 09th 2022
19
at what point does Thibs seat start to get warm?
Feb 09th 2022
21
Honestly, this year is worse than the Dwight/Nash year.
Feb 09th 2022
22
the Mickey Mouse chip
Feb 09th 2022
23
It's still very significant.
Feb 09th 2022
24
that bubble run is looking worse every passing year.
Feb 09th 2022
30
That was the worst season / nba playoffs in nba history
Feb 09th 2022
31
pretty much.
Feb 09th 2022
32
*shrug* Still counts.
Feb 09th 2022
33
Disagree - that's a historic 'chip for the Lakers
Feb 09th 2022
37
      the bubble was the easiest environment ever. it was a joke.
Feb 10th 2022
52
           That's an interesting revisionist history
Feb 10th 2022
59
           indisputable data = revisionist history?
Feb 10th 2022
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                lol @ "indisputable data"
Feb 10th 2022
71
                     The players themselves said it was easier. Numerous times
Feb 11th 2022
104
                          Again: that was the case for everyone. The best/most resilient team won.
Feb 11th 2022
109
           welp.... print... scan... copy...
Feb 11th 2022
92
           That means it was easier for everyone else too, right?
Feb 11th 2022
107
been saying that from jump street...
Feb 09th 2022
35
None of this shit matters if they have any dog left in 'em...
Feb 09th 2022
25
I mean, sure.
Feb 09th 2022
26
They built this team to win NOW...
Feb 09th 2022
27
      He's going to be in the rafters.
Feb 09th 2022
28
fam i will never understand this.
Feb 09th 2022
29
Howard should be starting and closing out games...
Feb 09th 2022
34
Bron is playing soft this year? tf?
Feb 09th 2022
36
I'm calling out the entire team...
Feb 10th 2022
47
      I hear you - that's fair
Feb 10th 2022
60
yeah this team is more sorry than trash
Feb 09th 2022
38
I agree with this part...:
Feb 09th 2022
39
So... Derozan/Lavine not the best duo in the league anymore?
Feb 09th 2022
40
One month ago Steph Curry was the hottest player in the NBA
Feb 10th 2022
44
Caris LeVert: Just Coolin'!
Feb 10th 2022
41
"Diet Okoro"
Feb 10th 2022
48
can’t blame Russ tonight
Feb 10th 2022
42
speak on it...
Feb 10th 2022
46
Westbrook was never the problem...
Feb 10th 2022
65
Lakers are really gonna win 35 games with AD and Bron
Feb 10th 2022
43
AD got outplayed by Jusuf Nurkic tonight, can’t put that on Russ
Feb 10th 2022
45
bron is out.
Feb 10th 2022
49
      Where is he going?
Feb 10th 2022
50
      I wonder if Pat Riley would take him in again considering how he left
Feb 10th 2022
53
      Miami would have to give up a major younger piece or pieces and I'm...
Feb 10th 2022
56
      right....the same Pat Riley who refused to let damn near Prime Lebron...
Feb 10th 2022
62
      iono i aint psychic.
Feb 10th 2022
54
           *completely throwing it out there*
Feb 10th 2022
57
      Not sure if he's gonna leave because he wants to live in LA
Feb 10th 2022
51
      i cant see him grinding out the end of his career here.
Feb 10th 2022
55
      "Grind"? We're talking 2-3 more years at most, lol.
Feb 10th 2022
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           That's a long ass time in basketball years
Feb 10th 2022
82
                I guess.
Feb 10th 2022
84
      LeBron ain't going anywhere.
Feb 10th 2022
58
           Is that the only other possible option?
Feb 10th 2022
83
                zactly... lol
Feb 11th 2022
106
                so that LA team pre-LeBron was going to win a 'chip?
Feb 12th 2022
117
      Bron will retire a Laker...
Feb 10th 2022
63
           Yeah I think we should stand pat for now and plan for next season…
Feb 10th 2022
64
           he gone my boi.
Feb 10th 2022
66
                Bron cleans the plate...
Feb 10th 2022
69
                     ey remember when i was saying durant was out (from the warriors)
Feb 10th 2022
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                     If I remember correctly, you made that claim a year early
Feb 10th 2022
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                     i remember it differently but we can agree to disagree.
Feb 10th 2022
74
                          lol you did get it right though
Feb 10th 2022
75
                     Family, you were out in front like shit, lol…
Feb 10th 2022
77
                     Durant was never the face of the franchise...
Feb 10th 2022
81
                     I honestly think next season may LeBron’s last…
Feb 10th 2022
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                          No, he’s said it multiple times over the years….
Feb 10th 2022
79
pat bev been sitting on this russ tweet for 3 years.
Feb 10th 2022
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fuck him, he intentionally injured Russ in his prime
Feb 10th 2022
68
Lmaoooo , this is like a prime uppage on OKS
Feb 11th 2022
93
right!?!
Feb 12th 2022
114
I do hate Pat Bev but this is funny as hell
Feb 11th 2022
99
.
Feb 10th 2022
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.
Feb 10th 2022
80
How many 3s does Simmons make in his first game with the Nets?
Feb 10th 2022
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He won't need to shoot 3s in Brooklyn at all.
Feb 10th 2022
86
      KD been out for a month. Kyrie cant play home games.
Feb 11th 2022
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           i mean when kyrie ain't playing home games in the playoffs
Feb 11th 2022
94
What a week, yall.
Feb 10th 2022
87
Harden is trash now...? Interesting...
Feb 11th 2022
88
Seth will cook regardless, Doc has traded his sons and sons-in-law...
Feb 11th 2022
90
+the Rie shenanigans
Feb 11th 2022
91
Not trash at all.
Feb 11th 2022
95
Loved Seth... but I think he's easy to replace
Feb 11th 2022
96
I’m with you. And you guys kept Maxey which is bigger than people rea...
Feb 11th 2022
98
Why did DC trade Montrezl???
Feb 11th 2022
97
Locker Room Cancer
Feb 11th 2022
100
But I was told he wasn't unplayable.
Feb 11th 2022
101
      Trevor Ariza on line one.
Feb 11th 2022
102
           Bulls defense fell off, Trez is unplayable, Kuzma not an all star
Feb 11th 2022
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                Kuz got a triple double yesterday and beat Kyrie
Feb 11th 2022
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                     See what I mean?
Feb 11th 2022
108
Man, that Wiz November championship was something to see
Feb 12th 2022
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      Too deep of team....all those dudes were fighting
Feb 13th 2022
132
           Should go swimmingly now.
Feb 15th 2022
157
The Cleveland Cavaliers: Now 2nd Seed in the Eastern Conference.
Feb 11th 2022
110
It’s legit admirable. Very cool to see.
Feb 12th 2022
111
      Building a team up from the ground , organically >> collecting stars*
Feb 12th 2022
112
           ironically, because of James Harden
Feb 12th 2022
113
           True.
Feb 12th 2022
115
           Shrug, even if it was, that's how I see it.
Feb 12th 2022
116
Kuminga starting to believe it
Feb 12th 2022
118
He is a mashup of Dray and Wiggins. That. Is. Scary.
Feb 15th 2022
158
      his ceiling crazy. added to rising stars, leading rookies in pp 36 min.
Feb 16th 2022
184
this dubs crowd seems like they got somewhere else to be.
Feb 12th 2022
119
dubs playing d like they got somewhere else to be too.
Feb 12th 2022
120
I miss oracle :(
Feb 12th 2022
124
      this shit is built too big or something. theres so much space.
Feb 12th 2022
126
klay back to bailing the whole team out.
Feb 12th 2022
121
curry is 1-8 from 3.
Feb 12th 2022
123
damn bron choked away the free throw.
Feb 12th 2022
125
knew it was a L when he went to the line
Feb 12th 2022
127
Klay saved their asses.
Feb 12th 2022
129
AD needs to take more than 13 shots.
Feb 12th 2022
128
EmVPiid.
Feb 12th 2022
130
Jokic ..MVP. Game winning block on OG anounuby
Feb 13th 2022
131
both Jokic and Embiid have been really amazing
Feb 13th 2022
133
As it stand now, I think he should get it this year too
Feb 13th 2022
136
Jokic's defense has improved tremendously the last couple years.
Feb 15th 2022
143
damn, MPJ….
Feb 13th 2022
134
dude wanna talk that pro black shit now?
Feb 13th 2022
135
This is why you don’t give dudes like him or Lavine
Feb 13th 2022
137
Celtics quietly sneaking up the standings
Feb 14th 2022
138
I see it. All of a sudden... the guard play they need
Feb 14th 2022
139
RE: I see it. All of a sudden... the guard play they need
Feb 14th 2022
141
Now Smart can go back to being a super sub.
Feb 14th 2022
140
The White trade was easily a top two deal at the deadline.
Feb 15th 2022
142
Brooklyn snaps streak with Curry & Drummond dominating
Feb 15th 2022
144
people like to shit on drummond but he's exactly what that team need
Feb 15th 2022
149
      Yup. I love it for the Nets.
Feb 15th 2022
156
           eh, i ain't holding my breath but i'll take it lolol
Feb 15th 2022
159
                lol I'm def bullish on Brooklyn (especially next year)
Feb 15th 2022
160
All these hit pieces on Hardens lack of commitment and conditioning comi...
Feb 15th 2022
145
The rift was with KD not Rie
Feb 15th 2022
146
Two corny ass emo dickheads , I wish they went to the Knicks smh
Feb 15th 2022
147
      BKN = The Emo Trio
Feb 15th 2022
148
      LOL
Feb 15th 2022
150
           They really tried the 7 seconds or less with an Uncle Drew roster
Feb 15th 2022
152
           Agreed, Marks and Nash …
Feb 15th 2022
154
                they said KD pushed for that, he's calling most of the shots in BK...
Feb 15th 2022
155
                     I think KD does whatever Kyrie wants , so he’s the one pulling the str...
Feb 15th 2022
161
harden got no credit in the bank. i'll allow it.
Feb 15th 2022
151
Harden was desperate to get that ring , hard to do with no help
Feb 15th 2022
153
i'm actually team harden in this situation..here's why
Feb 16th 2022
162
      RE: i'm actually team harden in this situation..here's why
Feb 16th 2022
163
Giannis dropped the most efficient 50 pt game I’ve ever seen
Feb 16th 2022
164
He's probably the best overall player in the world.
Feb 16th 2022
165
Am I wrong for making Hakeem Olajuwon comparisons ? He’s out there sha...
Feb 16th 2022
167
He might be better than Hakeem.
Feb 17th 2022
192
      great comparison. If Giannis can get another chip - he's top 15 to me
Feb 17th 2022
227
Can't disagree.
Feb 16th 2022
168
He is too strong to bully and is still quicker than most bigs
Feb 16th 2022
176
DeMar DeRozan last 6 games
Feb 16th 2022
166
he cookin. never really been a fan but i respect his persistence
Feb 16th 2022
173
he's been going nuclear, it he didn't have 3 bigs in the league playing....
Feb 16th 2022
174
Another one tonight.
Feb 16th 2022
181
he ballin... could have been a Laker...
Feb 17th 2022
219
why do people assume ben simmons is gonna be running the offense?
Feb 16th 2022
169
In one breath, Simmons had mental health issues
Feb 16th 2022
170
mental issues, free throws, etc.
Feb 16th 2022
171
      btw kyrie is only eligible to play *8* games in the remaining season.
Feb 16th 2022
172
      The issue to date with Ben is that he's the primary ball handler
Feb 17th 2022
195
I agree
Feb 16th 2022
175
KD played in that beautiful free flowing offense for one year w GSW
Feb 16th 2022
177
I loved the way JJ broke it down:
Feb 17th 2022
199
      A PG that refuses to shoot in the 4th and set the record for lowest FT%
Feb 17th 2022
205
      we'll see how it plays out
Feb 17th 2022
207
           You're wrong...and that's okay
Feb 17th 2022
220
                Time will tell who's "wrong"
Feb 17th 2022
221
                     I know it doesn't fit the narrative/Philly fan trope
Feb 17th 2022
223
      jj is a good dude but hes biased in favor of former teammates.
Feb 17th 2022
226
Detroit with a statement win vs Boston
Feb 16th 2022
178
we gotta lose games...need that Cade - Jabari connection to happen
Feb 16th 2022
180
      I’d honestly have Jabari 4th on the Detroit big board.
Feb 17th 2022
191
           I just don’t trust holmgren idk why , he seems frail af
Feb 17th 2022
193
Praying like Whoopi Goldberg in the Color Purple that Dolan fires Thibs
Feb 16th 2022
179
Thibs is a made man he ain't going nowhere
Feb 17th 2022
196
      That is the beauty of MSG...he can go downstairs and get on the train
Feb 17th 2022
198
damn ad went down kinda crazy.
Feb 16th 2022
182
RE: damn ad went down kinda crazy.
Feb 16th 2022
183
Fun year!
Feb 16th 2022
185
DeRozan setting impressive records out here.
Feb 17th 2022
186
wardell.
Feb 17th 2022
187
damnnnn.
Feb 17th 2022
188
      Joker TOO cold
Feb 17th 2022
190
Sure, he's injured NOW, but When Healthy?
Feb 17th 2022
189
hopefully we can get some picks and young talent and start over..
Feb 17th 2022
194
Your 2020 World Champion Los Angeles Lakers
Feb 17th 2022
197
By that line of reasoning, we should sign Pau, Shaq, etc
Feb 17th 2022
201
      I'm just pointing out the fact that you weren't ever on board
Feb 17th 2022
206
           Nothing about your post said any of that, lol.
Feb 17th 2022
209
I wonder if the bubble
Feb 17th 2022
208
Game 2 after trade: Brooklyn erases historic 28-point defecit
Feb 17th 2022
200
Tristan Thompson to the Bulls.
Feb 17th 2022
202
perfect pickup.
Feb 17th 2022
204
The Bulls are No. 1 again!
Feb 17th 2022
203
Hearing Nets fans drown out MSG w BROOOKLYYYN = priceless
Feb 17th 2022
210
LOL
Feb 17th 2022
211
The trading Bron and/or Brow sentiment is understandable but...
Feb 17th 2022
212
Yea, it's the Lakers. You dont have to draft your talent
Feb 17th 2022
213
We should if we have two top ten players
Feb 17th 2022
215
I always forget LeGM is a real thing lol , yea that’s gotta stop nm
Feb 17th 2022
217
Right. And this is probably the worst decade in Lakers history.
Feb 17th 2022
216
I have no illusions of that actually happening
Feb 17th 2022
214
RE: I have no illusions of that actually happening
Feb 17th 2022
224
      I mean, I'm well aware of Lakers history
Feb 17th 2022
225
           You try to act like the trade for AD wasn’t worth it, and it was, even...
Feb 17th 2022
229
                Do you think a title in 2020 changes the set of facts that exist today?
Feb 17th 2022
230
                     I think we pretty much agree and are just arguing for the sake of arguin...
Feb 18th 2022
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                          Lmao ain’t no we. That was all you😂
Feb 18th 2022
233
we got the ring so this is already a success
Feb 17th 2022
218
      agreed lol...
Feb 17th 2022
222
AD out at least 4 weeks?
Feb 17th 2022
228
So? We won a title in 2020.
Feb 17th 2022
231

bentagain
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1. "AI didn't improve his team?"
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allStah
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2. "Hell naw."
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Tue Feb-08-22 08:41 AM by allStah

          

lol

Iverson: “How in the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing? Reporter: “So they can be used to playing with you.” Iverson: “They should be used to playing with me. Those are my teammates.

Dude didn’t even want to practice with his teammates.

And he had zero leadership skills.

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
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4. "2001 disagrees with you"
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AI was a #1 overall pick
= Team was trash
Took a group of others to the finals 5 years later
That is literally improving the team.

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8. "You are buggin regarding AI"
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Tue Feb-08-22 12:45 PM by guru0509

  

          

melo I sorta agree, it’s funny how he’s in better shape now than he was for most of his prime

Dude came into every season doughy as hell (except the years the Olympics took place ). and would play himself into shape by February


Still one of my favorite players though

>lol
>
>Iverson: “How in the hell can I make my teammates better by
>practicing? Reporter: “So they can be used to playing with
>you.” Iverson: “They should be used to playing with me.
>Those are my teammates.
>
>Dude didn’t even want to practice with his teammates.
>
>And he had zero leadership skills.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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3. "Zach LaVine is a max player."
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Funny, in November and December when DeRozan was an MVP candidate,
nobody was talking about "empty calorie scoring".

The Bulls lose their best two defenders and (as expected) play .500 ball in January/February, and all of a sudden the sky is falling.

Once healthy, the Bulls are a very competitive team.


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5. "You’re proving my point."
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Tue Feb-08-22 11:59 AM by allStah

          

There shouldn’t be such a huge drop-off defensively when there are
three allStar players in the starting lineup. We are giving up close
to 130 points a night no matter who we play.

The team has been exposed. The Bulls only want to go point for point, and not
look to get stops.

1 All star Center
2 All star guards

Ball and Caruso cover up the defensive deficiencies of our top 3 players,
and they possess better leadership skills.

Derozan just wants to midrange all game long and not do the tough
work on the other end, same as Lavine and Vuuch

Even in our victories we give up 115-120.

This shit is bad, bro.

Suns were up by 26 at one point and took their foot off the pedal....

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6. "Oh interesting. I was told there wouldn’t be a defensive fall off. "
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Wonder who said that.

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7. "I didn’t think there would be. "
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Tue Feb-08-22 11:52 AM by allStah

          


But, yeah, there is a huge focking drop off

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9. "Beal out for the season. Give the keys to All Star Kuzma. "
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Reeq
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10. "im never talking bad about russ or the lakers again."
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watching him try to console bron and ad almost brought tears to my eyes.

this shit is really sad.

  

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11. "haha... that was so amazing"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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Ryan M
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13. "I’d say LeBron is fired as GM"
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Except because of Russ there’s no moves that can be made until Brons contract is up anyway.

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12. "44 pts, 14 rbs, 8 asts..."
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15. "Anthony Davis is a fucking BEAST"
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Oh wait, that was Giannis

  

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18. "Nick Wright is that you? - lolololol"
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20. "It's not just the 44 points - it's the fact he went 17-20 from the field"
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No defensive resistance whatsoever.

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14. "Lakers: it all starts with defense..."
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..We've all seen what happens when any team decides they're not gonna be a doormat on defense.

Protect the paint, rotate on the perimeter, secure rebounds. All of that leads to a much better flow in traffic and space to run. I'm not worried about shooting (its not just Westbrook). The Lakers are inconsistent from the perimeter and horrible at the line. Even when they find a rhythm and shots start falling, they're so far behind that every effort is wasted just trying to make a respectable game of it.

This isn't Laker basketball. This isn't on one player, its on the entire roster. It starts with Bron. Whomever wants to put on that jersey and claim to be the leader better bring that smoke and demand it from everyone, every night. This nice shit needs to end. I respect Vogel for trying to allow them to "play into a better rhythm," but its time to light a fire on the defensive end. Fuck it, let Howard be the bad guy (since he loves playing that role). Use those fucking fouls.

Fuck a trade. No one wants to join a team with no identity.


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16. "RE: Lakers: it all starts with defense..."
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>..We've all seen what happens when any team decides they're
>not gonna be a doormat on defense.
>
>Protect the paint, rotate on the perimeter, secure rebounds.
>All of that leads to a much better flow in traffic and space
>to run. I'm not worried about shooting (its not just
>Westbrook). The Lakers are inconsistent from the perimeter and
>horrible at the line. Even when they find a rhythm and shots
>start falling, they're so far behind that every effort is
>wasted just trying to make a respectable game of it.
>
>This isn't Laker basketball. This isn't on one player, its on
>the entire roster. It starts with Bron. Whomever wants to put
>on that jersey and claim to be the leader better bring that
>smoke and demand it from everyone, every night. This nice shit
>needs to end. I respect Vogel for trying to allow them to
>"play into a better rhythm," but its time to light a fire on
>the defensive end. Fuck it, let Howard be the bad guy (since
>he loves playing that role). Use those fucking fouls.
>
>Fuck a trade. No one wants to join a team with no identity.

I feel like part of it is roster construction some of which falls on Pelinka.

At the start of the season I thought we were weak at the forward spots and with Carmelo out we're forced to rely on 40y/o Ariza and Stanley Johnson who we signed out of the G league.

Vogel for whatever reason has fell in love with these 3 guard lineups which may be good on offense but get killed defensively and on the boards.

And our guards aren't that good, Russ is Russ, Monk has been solid, THT is a disaster that nobody talks about because everyone is focused on Russ.

Our centers are suddenly unplayable. Its just a weird state of affairs.

I try to be optimistic and still say if we get to the playoffs with a healthy Bron and AD I like our chances against anyone but we'll see.

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17. "Glad Lakers fans are finally calling this $h!t show out.."
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>..We've all seen what happens when any team decides they're
>not gonna be a doormat on defense.
>
>Protect the paint, rotate on the perimeter, secure rebounds.
>All of that leads to a much better flow in traffic and space
>to run. I'm not worried about shooting (its not just
>Westbrook). The Lakers are inconsistent from the perimeter and
>horrible at the line. Even when they find a rhythm and shots
>start falling, they're so far behind that every effort is
>wasted just trying to make a respectable game of it.
>
>This isn't Laker basketball. This isn't on one player, its on
>the entire roster. It starts with Bron. Whomever wants to put
>on that jersey and claim to be the leader better bring that
>smoke and demand it from everyone, every night. This nice shit
>needs to end. I respect Vogel for trying to allow them to
>"play into a better rhythm," but its time to light a fire on
>the defensive end. Fuck it, let Howard be the bad guy (since
>he loves playing that role). Use those fucking fouls.
>
>Fuck a trade. No one wants to join a team with no identity.
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
>
>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...



Part of the defensive issue is they can't really defend on the perimeter. That leads to an inability to protect the paint and forces rotations which all players clearly aren't equally vested in doing consistently. It has to be a total team effort. It can't be about guys simply being out there to get their numbers while playing matador, look like I'm trying style defense.

Stanley Johnson has been a good pickup. Even Reaves tries on D. There's something to be said about young legs being on the court even if they're not all world defenders. I guess we can pick up more youth in the 2030 draft by the time this disaster is over.


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19. "i believe this goes for all 30 nba teams"
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but yeah, my bulls can score with the best of them but missing caruso, lonzo and jones jr leaves us with little perimeter/point of attack defense. we can't stop anyone. beating a good team is almost impossible now.

  

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21. "at what point does Thibs seat start to get warm?"
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22. "Honestly, this year is worse than the Dwight/Nash year."
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Of course - that one GOT worse with the Kobe injury, but this has just been so dismal. That said, if you told me in 2018 that Lebron would come, we would win a title, and also struggle for a few of those years - I'd take it in a heartbeat.

I'm definitely worried about the post-Bron era though. It's looking pretty bleak.

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23. "the Mickey Mouse chip"
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The farther away we get from it, the less significant it feels (not talking about the memory of it, I mean Lebron & Co. basically won a blitzed 2.5 month-long tournament that year)

  

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24. "It's still very significant."
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If for no other reason (and there are other reasons) other than it happening the year Kobe died.

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30. "that bubble run is looking worse every passing year."
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31. "That was the worst season / nba playoffs in nba history"
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Bigger asterisk than ‘99

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32. "pretty much."
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33. "*shrug* Still counts. "
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37. "Disagree - that's a historic 'chip for the Lakers"
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They won it all for Kobe as emotions were high after his tragic passing. Every team dealt with the same adversity. It was sort of a LOST island 'chip with unforeseen obstacles that everyone had to hurdle. Many cited it as one of the most difficult environments to win in. Multiple players have said that playing in the bubble was one of the biggest challenges they've faced in their career.

Any franchise would want to have that banner in their rafters. If there's an asterisk next to it - it's for high degree of difficulty.

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52. "the bubble was the easiest environment ever. it was a joke."
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lol @ trying to spin the bubble like it was difficult.

both dame and anthony davis admitted that playing in the bubble was way easier than a normal season.

no crowd, no travel, shortened season (fresh legs), playing in the same location, defense lagging offense, practicing regularly, etc.

the first season in the modern stat tracking era that 3 pt shooting percentage went *up* in the postseason.

team offensive ratings were off the chart. like miami had a 115 off rating. that would have been guaranteed top 1 or 2 in the regular season (jazz are #1 with 115 right now). it was 7th in the bubble lol.

niggas like tj warren, brook lopez, michael porter jr looked all world in the bubble.

tj warren was the 1st 50+ pt game in the bubble. he had only scored 40 pts once in 2017.

rondo looked like kyle korver from 3 in the bubble lol.

cmon fam.

that shit was a glorified prep invitational tournament. stop tryna hype it up to save brons lakers legacy.



  

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59. "That's an interesting revisionist history"
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But it doesn't track with the reality on the ground at the time.

Kevin Durant when asked about the bubble:

“I think it will be respected for sure. Probably more respected. It’s tough for the boys in there. They’ve been away from everybody for that long. To be the last one standing? That’s going to be tough,” Durant said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/09/07/nba-players-grapple-with-mental-health-inside-nba-bubble/5742849002/

"It’s like a trigger. I couldn’t imagine having to go out and perform and being away from your family in a bubble and going through those different traumas," Keyon Dooling, the NBA players union’s wellness counselor, told USA TODAY Sports. "It’s a lot to navigate. I think our guys have done a fantastic job with focusing on basketball, while giving enough focus to the realities that we experience on a daily basis. So I’m extremely proud of our guys for just being so resilient, vulnerable and tough with trying to make change in a positive way."

"The bubble got the best me", said Paul George. "I underestimated mental health," he said. "I had anxiety. A little bit of depression. Us being locked in here, I just wasn’t there. I just checked out."

"I know exactly what Paul is going through," Los Angeles Lakers guard Danny Green said. "You have nothing to do but look at your phone and social media all day. All they are doing is bullying you. They are trying to get you to play well. So he was going through a rough stretch. I’m sure doors were closing in on him, and it was getting dark for him."

Silver recalls why so many NBA players sought psychologists in the bubble:

https://www.sportscasting.com/adam-silver-reveals-why-many-nba-players-requested-psychologists-in-the-bubble/

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So you can try and minimize it all you want - but that bubble environment was a whole different animal - particularly from a mental health perspective. If you can't respect that 'chip then I don't know what to tell you.


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61. "indisputable data = revisionist history?"
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if it was so difficult then why did teams almost across the entire board play better and offensive production was so bonkers?

you got quotes from known headcases who complain about the conditions they play under every single year.

i got quotes too!

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1333967599877632003
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Dame says NBA games were "way easier" in the bubble.

(via @Dame_Lillard, @fatjoe)
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https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1347304154750922759
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Jayson Tatum talks about certain players that balled out in the bubble

"I ain’t gon' say no names, but they were some people on the other teams...I’m like 'Hold on, they don’t normally play like that.'" 😂😂😂

(🎥 @NewEraCap | h/t @AhnFireDigital)
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https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/anthony_davis_shares_why_playing_in_nba_bubble_is_easier/s1_127_32985674
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“Some guys like the bubble because you don’t have the pressure from opposing fans, or even (home) fans,” Davis said after his Los Angeles Lakers’ Game 1 win in the NBA Finals. “Fans boo you if you’re not playing well, especially if you’re on the road, it can get to you. You have a little bit more ease here in the bubble not having to worry about any of that."
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i mean...if *anthony davis* is saying it was easier in there...

fam...the suns went *undefeated* in the bubble...after going .400 in the normal regular season lol.

once again...simple logic...common sense...if the bubble was so adverse and difficult to play in...then why was it so much easier for everyone to play better and drag offensive stats up to an unprecedented level?

give me a serious explanation please. thanks.

  

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71. "lol @ "indisputable data""
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If your argument is that guys were making more shots in the bubble - then that applied to everyone. Nobody has any distinct advantage there.

Just the fact alone that you're wholly dismissing the mental and psychological challenges that players were going through at the time (not just because of playing/living in a bubble away from fam - but also in the aftermath of the Blake shooting and the height of the tension post George Floyd) - shows that you're not approaching this in good faith.

Lol @ referring to Adam Silver as a "known head case" though - that's a standout quote of the year.

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104. "The players themselves said it was easier. Numerous times "
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>Just the fact alone that you're wholly dismissing the mental
>and psychological challenges that players were going through

What psychological challenges? They were relaxed as ever and their games reflected it .

Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray went nuclear ☢️ lol all because they had zero wear and tear of travel 🧳 and “the grind”

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109. "Again: that was the case for everyone. The best/most resilient team won."
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>What psychological challenges? They were relaxed as ever and
>their games reflected it .

I already cited the sources. I'm simply reporting what Dooling & Silver have said about it - and what multiple players have said: that from a mental perspective, it was a significant challenge and a war of attrition. Not everyone was up for that.

>Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray went nuclear ☢️ lol all
>because they had zero wear and tear of travel 🧳 and “the
>grind”

That was the case for every single player; every single team. The playing field was leveled. But clearly not everyone went nuclear. The Clippers imploded - as did the Bucks. It was an environment nobody could prepare for.

If you want to write it off - enjoy. But that 'chip is historic.


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92. "welp.... print... scan... copy..."
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fax..

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107. "That means it was easier for everyone else too, right?"
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Seems like that was everyone's easiest path to the chip

Which means everyone else failed to get the "easy" one.

Correct?

  

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35. "been saying that from jump street..."
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25. "None of this shit matters if they have any dog left in 'em..."
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..top to bottom, these niggas soft.

They have no identity. No one's afraid to face them. They have size, speed, length, but can't play defense collectively.

• Where are the rebounds and blocks from Howard? On the bench.
• What happened to Bradley's defensive reputation?
• who are they waiting for?

This team said they needed time to find their rhythm. How much more time, mayne? © Terrence Howard

They might have issues with shooting, hell even the Warriors had issues with scoring. They still managed to keep pace, leveraging games with consistent defense.

This roster needs a savage mentality. Mamba would clown these fools.


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26. "I mean, sure."
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But they are who they are. It's not getting better after tomorrow.

Bron/AD are still an amazing duo. But I'm kinda just like...well, that's gonna be over soon, and if we're just clearing any and all assets right today? It's gonna be a LONG, LONG stretch post Lebron.

Hell, Kobe's achilles was 2013. We had all our picks, which allowed us to end up getting AD in 2019. That 6 years is gonna look pretty compared to the post Lebron era.

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27. "They built this team to win NOW..."
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..Bron clearly thinks he can win with this team, so go out and do it.

If the current flow/offense isn't working, change it up. Shots not falling? Go to the cup. Stop chasing the perimeter.

No one in the org is concerned about life after Bron. This is the fucking Lakers. Legacy in this organization means that championships are expected and earned. If Bron wants that jersey hanging in the rafters, he better step it up now.



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28. "He's going to be in the rafters."
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No Finals MVP for the Lakers isn't. 2020 earned him a spot - whether or not you think it should be there is sorta beside the point. He will be. There's no chance the Buss family doesn't have a top 3 player of all time up there.

The current team isn't working, and Bron clearly knows that. He and AD fucked up by pushing for this Westbrook trade (if they did that, anyhow). No way out of it now. I can't really fault Bron/AD's play, I can fault the roster construction. AD has been killing it since coming back - it's not on him.

Anyway.

This is all for nothing. This is another lost year. They just can't ignore the fact that Lebron is not long for this team - he's done the year after next and that's if we're lucky.

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29. "fam i will never understand this."
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>• Where are the rebounds and blocks from Howard? On the
>bench.

whenever dwight is in the game...he brings an attitude and toughness to the team.

plus hes flat out more useful than bum ass deandre jordan.

it makes no sense that vogel barely plays him. especially when hes giving minutes to dj instead.

  

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34. "Howard should be starting and closing out games..."
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..you're absolutely right about the attitude he brings (even if he can be corny about it).

He grabs rebounds, blocks shots, and knocks down FTs. He can run with anyone on the floor.


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36. "Bron is playing soft this year? tf? "
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This dude is literally out here playing his heart out in year 19 - what else you want from this dude? He already delivered a 'chip and is playing MVP level basketball for the past two seasons.

You seem to put everything on Klutch/LeBron - nothing on the Lakers organization.

Remember when they could've traded THT as a feature to the Lowry trade? That's Bron's fault too? Who ultimately signed off on all these moves?

Russ move has been a disaster - but that's far from the only front office blunder the Lakers have botched.

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47. "I'm calling out the entire team..."
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..and that starts with Bron.

Sure, he continues playing at an elite level. He can score anytime he wants. That's great, but they're losing games because they're lethargic on defense. No one on this team is playing consistent defense. Davis has shown he can grab boards and block shots when motivated. That should be every night. A team with AD and Howard should have 50 rebs a game, easy.

*Granted, I give Bron credit for taking responsibility (he owns his mistakes on the court, esp in coverage), but that's not enough when you're known for making players better. That's clearly not enough as a Laker.

With Bron, AD, and Howard they have the ability to punish teams on both ends of the court. Make them put Howard on the line, its a bucket either way. There's no excuse for playing poor defense with those 3 on the roster.

This roster doesn't seem to understand that Showtime wasn't just about running the break and looking cool. The Lakers made you earn every bucket. Teams throw up shots and expect to get offensive rebounds against the Lakeshow 'cause they barely crash the boards and wait for the ball to come to them. Those 2nd & 3rd attempts add up in the 3rd qtr. They're not shooting well enough as a team to keep pace from the perimeter, so they need to get stops. What happened to holding teams to 100 pts or less? All that size and nothing to show for it.

I never said it was all on him, but he's clearly the leader of the team, so lead by example and let niggas know this bullshit defensive effort stops now. He did all that bullshit posturing during that game against Memphis where he was upset about the chirping coming from them. Even had the audacity to show them that he can get to the cup anytime he wants.

Cool story, bro, but guess what? THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK. And they continue to not give a fuck and kept talking shit, kept scoring, kept winning. Perhaps he should save some of that tough talk for his own teammates? They can clearly use some motivation.

I asked whether Pelinka or Klutch was responsible for this roster, noting Bron's obvious influence. THT ain't it, mayne. © Terrence Howard.

Reaves gives the most consistent effort on defense. Think about that.

Again, I'm not saying its all on Bron, but his play don't mean shit if the Lakers get blown out in the 3rd qtr of every game.

EVERY GAME.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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60. "I hear you - that's fair"
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But ultimately - Rob Pelinka is there making millions for a reason. He's the guy who is tasked to put together the roster - the responsibility falls on the front office, not the players. Sure, Bron and AD have influence - but the best execs in the league know that it's their job to put rosters together - because ultimately the success or failure of those rosters will fall on them - and that's the way it should be/has to be.

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38. "yeah this team is more sorry than trash"
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lazy, unmotivated, uncommitted. i can deal w/ whatever the record will be but only Melo, Malik and Reaves really give it 100% every single night and have positive energy. nobody else is digging deep enough

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39. "I agree with this part...:"
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>That said, if you told me in 2018
>that Lebron would come, we would win a title, and also
>struggle for a few of those years - I'd take it in a
>heartbeat.

this year is looking like a wash, its not on one person, multiple peole are at fault, Bron, Vogel, Pelinka, the same guys that made it happen for the championship in 2020 so it is what it is.

Us Lakers fans are spoiled and expect to compete for a title every year but that's just not realistic.

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40. "So... Derozan/Lavine not the best duo in the league anymore?"
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>Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and
>Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring
>points, they are seriously empty in
>other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to
>watch. And I know
>it’s frustrating for Billy to watch.

I guess they're not drawing similarities to Jordan/Pippen anymore either.

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44. "One month ago Steph Curry was the hottest player in the NBA"
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and leading the MVP race.

Right now?

He is out there looking like Smush Parker.

Performances fluctuate.


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41. "Caris LeVert: Just Coolin'!"
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Had a solid debut against San Antonio. It's early, but I can really see him working out in this offense just because of his (offensive) ability to get people off Darius Garland's ass. Already had a nice set up for Jarrett Allen, just like the good ol' Nets days. The way he was used tonight kind of makes me think of how Lamar Stevens (aka Diet Okoro) is used, but Caris has way more advanced offense than either he or Okoro. Darius Garland called him "The Missing Piece".

Speaking of Okoro, his shooting motion has gotten way better. hit a couple of key 3s tonight.

Rondo might be on the last ride but I greatly prefer what he gives as far as setting other players up. A lot of Rondo/Garland and Rondo/LeVert, sometimes Rondo/Garland/LeVert with Dean Wade and Jarrett Allen tonight.

Darius Garland played again tonight. Had 27pts/6ast/5rebs in 30 minutes of play. Man, the offense is SO different when he's in there.

Garland was also on a podcast(?) hosted by Braymond. You know, I almost don't dislike that jabroni when he's not in a Warriors uniform. He will almost certainly be the "Charles Barkley" of the future. Bray had nothing but good things to say about DG. The hoopers love this guy.

Cedi was good again tonight, but dude is streaky...


Kevin Pangos, the $15 guy on the roster is off to Russia for 2 years. I bet Koby Altman was like, "if you don't gitcho ass outta here, you about to be traded". Might have played his last game as a Cavalier tonight. I think Dylan Windler is about to be on that block. Possibly paired with that Sexton exception or the McGee exception to make the final move before the deadline (if Cavs opt for it).

Sexton? I don't think he will, but it looks like he might get Ron Harper'd...if LeVert really takes off. Personally, I would just like to have him for "just in case" purposes, and for an offensive option that's more consistent. If the Cavs decide to cut beat early, it's going to have to be a sign and trade. I think he either gets QO or a "prove it" contract in the offseason. The question then will be, will Sexton be more geared for "hero ball" or "winning ball". I never saw him as a Tank Commander, even at his worst. My hope is that he at least takes on the "KCP" role.

Above all, the Cavs could probably use a legit wing that guards 2/3/4 (and maybe 5) that can shoot -- the unicorn every team seems to want. And possibly a backup center. Doesn't have to be a budget Jarrett Allen but someone sort of like JaVale McGee was for the Cavs.

I think if Rajon decides to hang it up, he might come hang around with the Cavs in some capacity afterward. He has frequently been the voice speaking to the press about the progress of the team. It's surreal, for a guy who is essentially an emergency rental on the roster sheet to take this much to a team.

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the Cavs assistant coaches is a former Philadelphia Eagle WR, J.J. Outlaw.

Truly The People's Team of Basketball.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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48. ""Diet Okoro""
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*that "not bad"-Paul Rudd gif*

  

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42. "can’t blame Russ tonight "
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46. "speak on it... "
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Blazers 28 points off of Lakers 21 turnovers... ball game..

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65. "Westbrook was never the problem..."
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Ways you can overcome poor shooting:

• go to the basket
• control rebounds (both ends of the court)
• tenacious defense

When you follow those simple guidelines, you give yourself a chance to win any game, against any opponent.

With at least one elite player capable of creating their own shot, you remain a threat and extremely competitive.

The Lakers have two elite players and a bunch of excuses for everyone else.

Westbrook might be struggling, but he's not alone. He shows up every game, ready to play. Who else can claim that? He's taken the criticism in stride. He's from LA. This fool put up 20/20/21 against the same Lakers roster that eventually won a championship. That man has never quit on a team. Its not his fault that they can't find a collective rhythm. He doesn't set the pace, that's Bron & AD.

They've been lost the entire 1st half of the season. Chasing their own mistakes every 3rd qtr. Can't knock down FTs. Talent will never be enough. What happened to the team who's leader saw the pandemic as an opportunity to build and bond?

You must practice to win in this league, to develop chemistry. You play like you practice. This team doesn't practice hard and it shows.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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43. "Lakers are really gonna win 35 games with AD and Bron"
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The Russ move was clearly horrible and probably kneecapped the franchise but there was a time it felt like any players would work around these two.

Nope.

Honestly it just gives me a lot more appreciation for the front offices who build around two complementary stars.

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45. "AD got outplayed by Jusuf Nurkic tonight, can’t put that on Russ"
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49. "bron is out."
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dude created this mess and hes gonna get out from under it the first chance he gets.

  

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50. "Where is he going?"
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53. "I wonder if Pat Riley would take him in again considering how he left"
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..and at his age / $$$

I mean it’s LeBron but Pat Riley doesn’t get swayed easy

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56. "Miami would have to give up a major younger piece or pieces and I'm..."
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not sure why they would want to do that sitting at first place in the East.

And from LeBron's angle making the Finals in the East might be tougher than the West.

>..and at his age / $$$
>
>I mean it’s LeBron but Pat Riley doesn’t get swayed easy

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62. "right....the same Pat Riley who refused to let damn near Prime Lebron..."
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have his way? I agree, Pat ain't the one. Although...he isn't getting any younger...which is why he and the Heat braintrust DESPERATELY wanted to pair Giannis with Jimmy. They want another ring, before it's over.

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54. "iono i aint psychic."
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57. "*completely throwing it out there*"
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51. "Not sure if he's gonna leave because he wants to live in LA"
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but you're 100% correct about what he's done in the past which is why I wasn't excited about him coming. Either way, the damage is already done whether he leaves or not at this point.


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55. "i cant see him grinding out the end of his career here."
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and i know how much he prolly wanted to.

but they mortgaged their future and went all in this year.

and it blew up in their face.

this team isnt gonna get any better any time soon.

  

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78. ""Grind"? We're talking 2-3 more years at most, lol. "
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It's not like he's got another 5-year max deal somewhere. Dude will be 40 in 2024.

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82. "That's a long ass time in basketball years"
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84. "I guess. "
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Bron just never struck me as the dude who'd go the Shaq route and spend years 37-39 of his life on the road as an annual rent-a-player chasing rings. Guess I could be wrong, though.

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58. "LeBron ain't going anywhere."
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and if by "the damage is done" you mean another rafter is hanging in Lakers lore because of LeBron James - then yea.

Or would you rather the Lakers be the NO Hornets right now with no 'chip 16 months ago - and no promising future whatsoever?

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83. "Is that the only other possible option?"
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>Or would you rather the Lakers be the NO Hornets right now
>with no 'chip 16 months ago - and no promising future
>whatsoever?

  

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106. "zactly... lol"
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117. "so that LA team pre-LeBron was going to win a 'chip?"
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the team that was about to rival the longest playoff drought in Laker franchise history?

With this front-office?

I get the value of building through the draft - it's fun when it hits. But it rarely hits like GSW. And the tradeoff worked. Lakers hung another rafter like 17 months ago lol. I don't see how - as a Lakers fan - you didn't really care that a championship was won.

Lakers are all about winning the 'chip, right?

  

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63. "Bron will retire a Laker..."
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..he's in the endgame now.

• No team will pay him more (esp at this age). The Knicks would try, but he'll never play for Dolan and that fool ain't selling the team.
• The Lakers will continue to build around him & AD, gutting the line-up until they find the right mix of role players (again).
• He has way too much invested in the life he's built for his family in LA. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeanie already promised him shares in the org.

That said, he needs more banners if he wants that jersey hanging in the rafters.


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64. "Yeah I think we should stand pat for now and plan for next season…"
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I see no point in mortgaging our future even more by trading THT/Nunn/our 2027 first just to trade Russ for a player that probably won’t improve our team very much if at all.

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66. "he gone my boi."
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hes about to have yall looking like the anthony bennett cavs.

prepare to hate him for it cuz hes hanging yall out to dry.

  

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69. "Bron cleans the plate..."
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..He may have walked away from franchises (with good reason), but he's never quit or called for a trade.

He'll likely sign another extension, continuing to allow the Lakers to keep two additional elite calibre players on the roster.

That dream of playing with his son is really only possible in LA and we all know it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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70. "ey remember when i was saying durant was out (from the warriors)"
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while everyone was calling me crazy...and then he left?

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2689109&mesg_id=2689109&listing_type=search

same vibes here.

  

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73. "If I remember correctly, you made that claim a year early "
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Nice try though lol

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74. "i remember it differently but we can agree to disagree."
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lol

  

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75. "lol you did get it right though"
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just on time delay fam lol

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77. "Family, you were out in front like shit, lol…"
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wasn’t wrong, though. Remember this gem?
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81. "Durant was never the face of the franchise..."
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..meaning he was a hired gun, at best.

Elite, but nothing more than insurance 'cause the Cavs proved GSW were vulnerable. They never changed their culture, he just found a way to blend.

Bron is the franchise player and leader of this team. This ain't that.


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76. "I honestly think next season may LeBron’s last…"
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he likes to talk too much shit to other players to let them see him “fall off”.

I’ve never heard him say anything directly about playing with Bronny that’s something other people put out.

And I don’t think Bron would want a charity G league 10-day contract for his son just to say they played together.

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79. "No, he’s said it multiple times over the years…."
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While James wouldn't quite confirm if that is indeed his plan on Sunday, he did reiterate his long-stated desire to play with his son after winning his fourth-straight All-Star Game as a team captain. "That's definitely one of my goals, but that's a long-term goal," James said, emphasizing that his son's professional career is still a ways off. "My son right now is in high school and enjoying what being a teenager is all about. But that would be pretty cool to go on my resume."

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67. "pat bev been sitting on this russ tweet for 3 years. "
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https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1491796902223876098

  

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68. "fuck him, he intentionally injured Russ in his prime"
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93. "Lmaoooo , this is like a prime uppage on OKS"
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>https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1491796902223876098

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114. "right!?!"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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99. "I do hate Pat Bev but this is funny as hell"
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72. "."
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80. "."
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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85. "How many 3s does Simmons make in his first game with the Nets?"
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86. "He won't need to shoot 3s in Brooklyn at all. "
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Their Top 5 MPG guys left are KD, Irving, Harris, Mills, and Edwards, all of whom can shoot. And they add Curry, an elite shooter. Even Aldridge and Griffin can occasionally hit a 3.

They'll be playing three or four strong 3 point shooters with Simmons at all times. And unlike Embiid, their top weapons do their damage outside of the paint. I wouldn't be surprised to see Simmons in more elbow-dunker spot action.

It's a great, great fit if all works out.

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89. "KD been out for a month. Kyrie cant play home games. "
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That boy better be working on his three point form.

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94. "i mean when kyrie ain't playing home games in the playoffs"
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the reason nets lose won't be bc of simmons not shooting 3s.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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87. "What a week, yall. "
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Harden traded for Simmons.
Unicorn traded outta nowhere.
That hilarious all star draft.
Dejounte Murray, Lamelo Ball, and Kyle Kuzma named first time all stars.

It's been awesome. The NBA really is the best league.

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88. "Harden is trash now...? Interesting..."
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Beard is 2nd in assists
I thought he had an MVP season last year... until Nash cooked his hammies
I'm still concerned about the hammies
But it's interesting watching some talking heads act like he's trash after the trade
Just like Little Ben's miraculous comeback after battling mental health issues
I expect Harden will be back to form soon
Can people not see the EMVPiid PnRs
SMH
One angle I'm interested in
How do Drumm and Seth respond?
Little Ben turned his back on them in Philly
Now, they get traded because of his temper tantrum
I'm sure they still don't want to play with dude
...here for it...

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90. "Seth will cook regardless, Doc has traded his sons and sons-in-law..."
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before, he understands its a business, with Joe Harris out he can slide right in that slot. He will get the same open looks if not more in Brooklyn.

I don't the Drummond will get much playing time but we'll see.

>Beard is 2nd in assists
>I thought he had an MVP season last year... until Nash cooked
>his hammies
>I'm still concerned about the hammies
>But it's interesting watching some talking heads act like he's
>trash after the trade
>Just like Little Ben's miraculous comeback after battling
>mental health issues
>I expect Harden will be back to form soon
>Can people not see the EMVPiid PnRs
>SMH
>One angle I'm interested in
>How do Drumm and Seth respond?
>Little Ben turned his back on them in Philly
>Now, they get traded because of his temper tantrum
>I'm sure they still don't want to play with dude
>...here for it...

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91. "+the Rie shenanigans"
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What I'm trying to say...that BKN locker room bout to look real semi-pro
KD wanted Harden to stay
HC made public statements to that regard
Harden gets traded...and they're getting back PHL's locker room issues

Until Harden makes a statement... I'm confident in ASSuming he wanted out because of the MPG taking a toll...and he got tired of Rie

The Emo Trio bout to be some $hit
NBA needs a hard knocks

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95. "Not trash at all."
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Would watch with caution. IMO, the best running mate of EMVPiid was Jimmy Butler. Harden gives the Sixers a chance to recapture that. I do wonder about the spacing on the team with who they have left.

Hopefully Philly can keep dude happy while they have him.

I know I'm not looking forward to the Cavs playing them 4 times in the rest of the season. Just when I thought I was rid of having to watch my team play the Beard...

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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96. "Loved Seth... but I think he's easy to replace"
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I'm assuming that's what people are referring to by 'spacing'

Seth is an elite 3pt shooter, that doesn't shoot enough 3s and is a liability on D

His value is his contract

IDK how he fits in BKN

Can't have him on the floor at the same time as Rie or FIBA Patty

I think having a 2nd player that commands a double team will solve the spacing issue

Nobody can guard Jo straight up
Now you have to worry about the Beard
There's going to be a lot of open shots for the others


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98. "I’m with you. And you guys kept Maxey which is bigger than people rea..."
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He’s been the silver lining throughout the Simmons saga.

  

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97. "Why did DC trade Montrezl???"
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100. "Locker Room Cancer"
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and he sucks defensively.

Got benched in La La land

And his minutes were reduced in Washington...and with Gafford, Hachimura and
Bryant getting minutes as well, meant bye, bye.

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101. "But I was told he wasn't unplayable."
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Can't remember who said that though.

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102. "Trevor Ariza on line one."
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And Rondo is still on hold.

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103. "Bulls defense fell off, Trez is unplayable, Kuzma not an all star"
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You wanna keep going?

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105. "Kuz got a triple double yesterday and beat Kyrie "
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and the lakers are trash island and do not get me started on
that top 3 bet that you and frank were screaming about.

Go play with your Disney trophy.

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108. "See what I mean? "
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It's so hard for you to admit when you're wrong that you want me to do it for the umpteenth time about the same shit. It's very weird.

And hey - thanks! The disney trophy was cool as shit. Meaningful title for sure. It's a shame the Bulls haven't had one in nearly a quarter century...but I'm sure definite max player Zach LaVine will lead you to the promised land once again.

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122. "Man, that Wiz November championship was something to see"
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https://twitter.com/Hoop_District/status/1492648664053030913?t=tNE7hXMU94dcao4XYp7Zbw&s=19

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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132. "Too deep of team....all those dudes were fighting "
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over minutes instead of focusing on winning games.

Play your solid core and stop trying to make everyone happy.

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157. "Should go swimmingly now. "
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110. "The Cleveland Cavaliers: Now 2nd Seed in the Eastern Conference."
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Tonight against the new-look Pacers, the Cavs (resting Darius Garland) were down over 20 at one point, and gave up over 70 points at the half.

Won the game 120-113.

Everyone in the rotation contributed, even if they weren't putting up huge counting stats. The Pacers almost could not MISS from 3. You saw Hield doing some shit he almost never did in Sactown.

Caris Motherfuckin' Casanova LeVert. He was killing them from midrange again and and again and again at the end. Rajon Rondo was in vintage floor general mode. Evan Mobley was KILLING dudes on defense toward the end.

I can't wait to see this team, with more time and everyone healthy.

Koby Altman is the damn GOAT. A couple trades of skepticism (Larry for Lauri, Prince for Rubio) that ended unexpectedly changing the landscape of the team, two disaster occurrences this season (Sexton season ending injury, Rubio season ending injury) flipped into Rondo and LeVert, two key acquisitions.

The NBA expected a tank.
The Cavs shocked the world.

And this is the "house money" season.


On to Philadelphia, EMVPiid, and The Beard.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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111. "It’s legit admirable. Very cool to see. "
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112. "Building a team up from the ground , organically >> collecting stars*"
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*** this is a disapproving comment about the direction the nets went in , nothing to do with Lakers

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113. "ironically, because of James Harden"
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and some bad luck... this team is continuing the path of the Nets pre-KD. With 2 of those Nets, LOL

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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115. "True."
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But I always think of the Warriors getting Green, Thompson and Curry.
If you're lucky you can draft your core.
Y'all got a young core that's getting the best kind of winning culture.
Reminds me of Derrick Rose's first year.

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116. "Shrug, even if it was, that's how I see it. "
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There can be a deep cost to building that way.

We're paying that cost right now.

Can't complain about a chip though, so it is what it is.

  

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118. "Kuminga starting to believe it "
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You can see it in his body language. He’s the perfect slasher we needed

  

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158. "He is a mashup of Dray and Wiggins. That. Is. Scary."
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If he can shoot consistently, he will basically be Shawn Kemp 2.0.

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184. "his ceiling crazy. added to rising stars, leading rookies in pp 36 min. "
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learning offense AND defense from some of the best to ever do it.

he's so far ahead of where i'd hoped he'd be at this point. his post game does NOT look like a kid who turned 19 right after the season started.

he's very businesslike and has really taken earlier criticism to heart about not running the floor. he had a stretch a couple of games ago where he had a chase down contest on a fast break, then ran all the way back down on O and got a transition dunk.

and there are very few players i've seen, period, who elevate as effortlessly as he does. head be up near the rim for no reason.

>If he can shoot consistently, he will basically be Shawn Kemp
>2.0.

i'm hoping better than that. stay off the bottle, stay healthy, and don't give in to the snacks.


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119. "this dubs crowd seems like they got somewhere else to be."
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120. "dubs playing d like they got somewhere else to be too."
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124. "I miss oracle :("
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126. "this shit is built too big or something. theres so much space."
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121. "klay back to bailing the whole team out."
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123. "curry is 1-8 from 3."
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125. "damn bron choked away the free throw."
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127. "knew it was a L when he went to the line"
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129. "Klay saved their asses. "
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I had it circled as a L for the Lakers before it even started until I saw that 4th quarter score

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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128. "AD needs to take more than 13 shots."
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Dr Claw
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130. "EmVPiid. "
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No question. Dude was hitting bullshit shots contested tonight.

Philly defense is for real. All that time without Ben10 has allowed them to survive without him even being a thought. And to think Harden is joining this. Thybulle is the defensive warrior on that team.

But Embiid. Man, dude is the toughest out.

Really wish the Cavs could have had some Rondo minutes, but nothing doing on a back to back. When the Cavs struggle with their starters, he can usually get guys like Cedi and Love going on the bench. LeVert isn't quite that guy (yet?)

As evidence of the Philly defense doing what it does... Garland had 20 before the half. NO assists. I still don't think he finished the game with any. That's a "Bad Kyrie" type line from him. They were cutting everything off. Cedi and LeVert were getting all the assists.

A loss the Cavs can and should learn from. Still 13 over .500, let's go. Atlanta, we comin' for you

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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131. "Jokic ..MVP. Game winning block on OG anounuby"
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28 15 and 6 , on 10/16 shooting


with no MPJ or Jamal Murray




>Carmelo Zone: Players who score an astronomical amount of
>points, but
>don’t improve the performance of the team, because they
>don’t or can’t
>do anything else, especially on defense. They are empty
>calorie players, and their
>game lacks fiber and protein.
>
>There are several players throughout the history of basketball
>who fall
>under this category.
>
>Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, World B Free,
>Dominique Wilkins,
>etc. You see where I’m going here. Those are some serious
>scorers and some
>are even top 75, but all were shit on defense and didn’t
>really make their teams
>better.
>
>I’m starting to believe Derozan fits in this category. In
>Toronto, the raptors constantly
>came up short in the POs, and the Spurs went backwards after
>he was traded to
>the team. He is an outstanding scorer, but he is a rag doll on
>defense, and I’m
>not seeing any leadership skills from him.
>
>Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and
>Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring
>points, they are seriously empty in
>other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to
>watch. And I know
>it’s frustrating for Billy to watch. Three allStar players
>should not be immensely
>paper thin on defense.
>
>Don’t let that score fool you, the Suns doo-doo’d all over
>us....and no one fears us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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agentzero
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133. "both Jokic and Embiid have been really amazing"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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136. "As it stand now, I think he should get it this year too"
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but it's the MVP(layer that we won't be bored with giving it to again) award

  

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143. "Jokic's defense has improved tremendously the last couple years."
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Like, it's truly unfathomable that he went from being a good offensive big men who couldn't really help much defensively... to one of the best offensive weapons in the modern era of the sport and one of the more effective defensive big men in the league.

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134. "damn, MPJ…."
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tow truck driver was deadpan as shit, too…
https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1492608011805675521?s=20&t=ZkcPwqZllfoGS6EKi-2H-A

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135. "dude wanna talk that pro black shit now?"
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137. "This is why you don’t give dudes like him or Lavine "
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Giannis money.


This dude is chilling on top of tow truck...I thought he was rehabbing a back injury?

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138. "Celtics quietly sneaking up the standings "
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Derrick White is looking like a great pickup.

  

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139. "I see it. All of a sudden... the guard play they need"
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>Derrick White is looking like a great pickup.

...Takes them out of the toilet bowl

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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141. "RE: I see it. All of a sudden... the guard play they need"
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>>Derrick White is looking like a great pickup.
>
>...Takes them out of the toilet bowl

didn't they just get White?

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140. "Now Smart can go back to being a super sub. "
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Start White, Brown, Time Lord, Horford and Tatum, with Smart, Theis, Pritchard and Grant Williams as the bench guys. That is a tough team in a series. Definitely a problem for everyone except Embiid if he has all his crew with him. Three people who can guard Giannis, shooters, two prime get bucket guys.

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142. "The White trade was easily a top two deal at the deadline."
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A Derrick White-Marcus Smart backcourt will be VICIOUS defensively. Combine that with the wings and the Williams/Theis/Horford collective? This isn't a team several teams in the East (especially Philly imo) would want to see.

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144. "Brooklyn snaps streak with Curry & Drummond dominating"
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Whole team looks like a cloud got lifted from its head.
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149. "people like to shit on drummond but he's exactly what that team need"
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and thought they were getting when they foolishly brought on Deandre Jordan a few years ago.

i don't expect anything if kyrie ain't playing 100% of the time but i'm not mad at the return the nets got back in the trade.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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156. "Yup. I love it for the Nets."
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Drummond takes a lot of pressure off the BK front-line. Now Aldridge can do what he does best as a finesse big and leave the banging/board work to Drummond.

And Drummond will likely get limited run - but he's the exact kind of rebounding/size niche the Nets need when facing elite teams w/ elite bigs (Embiid, Giannis, Jokic, Ayton etc.) So in limited minutes, he adds a lot of value to this team.

And Curry was an absolute steal in this trade IMO. I think this trade will age exceptionally well for Brooklyn. Ben bout to have the best shooting targets in the game to distro to.

>i don't expect anything if kyrie ain't playing 100% of the
>time but i'm not mad at the return the nets got back in the
>trade.

If KD comes back as the guy he was before the injury, Nets are title contenders IMO. They were already either 1st or 2nd in the East when KD was healthy (even with no Kyrie and half-Harden). If Simmons is still the same guy (in addition to these new pieces) - Nets bout to be a problem IMO, even with Kyrie only playing on the road.


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159. "eh, i ain't holding my breath but i'll take it lolol"
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>If KD comes back as the guy he was before the injury, Nets are
>title contenders IMO. They were already either 1st or 2nd in
>the East when KD was healthy (even with no Kyrie and
>half-Harden). If Simmons is still the same guy (in addition
>to these new pieces) - Nets bout to be a problem IMO, even
>with Kyrie only playing on the road.
>
>
>-->

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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160. "lol I'm def bullish on Brooklyn (especially next year)"
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we'll see how it plays out.

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145. "All these hit pieces on Hardens lack of commitment and conditioning comi..."
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…talking about he quit on the team and questioning his dedication. I don’t blame
him after seeing how the Nets are run and this 🤡 of a GM that allows a max player to play when he wants to lol. He reverted back to Houston Harden.

Meanwhile he played more minutes for the Nets than Kyrie ever did averaging 22 10 and 8

the lack of self awareness is astounding , Nets look like an angry bitter ex in all this

>Carmelo Zone: Players who score an astronomical amount of
>points, but
>don’t improve the performance of the team, because they
>don’t or can’t
>do anything else, especially on defense. They are empty
>calorie players, and their
>game lacks fiber and protein.
>
>There are several players throughout the history of basketball
>who fall
>under this category.
>
>Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, World B Free,
>Dominique Wilkins,
>etc. You see where I’m going here. Those are some serious
>scorers and some
>are even top 75, but all were shit on defense and didn’t
>really make their teams
>better.
>
>I’m starting to believe Derozan fits in this category. In
>Toronto, the raptors constantly
>came up short in the POs, and the Spurs went backwards after
>he was traded to
>the team. He is an outstanding scorer, but he is a rag doll on
>defense, and I’m
>not seeing any leadership skills from him.
>
>Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and
>Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring
>points, they are seriously empty in
>other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to
>watch. And I know
>it’s frustrating for Billy to watch. Three allStar players
>should not be immensely
>paper thin on defense.
>
>Don’t let that score fool you, the Suns doo-doo’d all over
>us....and no one fears us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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146. "The rift was with KD not Rie"
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953512-inside-kevin-durants-role-in-brooklyn-nets-james-harden-trade

Interesting
Definitely didn't see that coming
Emo a$$ KD, LOL

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147. "Two corny ass emo dickheads , I wish they went to the Knicks smh "
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I bet Kyrie could have talked Kevin Durant into signing with Orlando

>https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953512-inside-kevin-durants-role-in-brooklyn-nets-james-harden-trade
>
>Interesting
>Definitely didn't see that coming
>Emo a$$ KD, LOL

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148. "BKN = The Emo Trio"
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150. "LOL"
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This all nash fault.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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152. "They really tried the 7 seconds or less with an Uncle Drew roster"
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The MPG was egregious IMO
But ' ball too...
Nash is sus AF.

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154. "Agreed, Marks and Nash …"
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>This all nash fault.

Imagine Kyrie Irving telling Pat Riley or Popovich that he’s only playing on the road

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ThaTruth
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155. "they said KD pushed for that, he's calling most of the shots in BK..."
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>>This all nash fault.
>
>Imagine Kyrie Irving telling Pat Riley or Popovich that he’s
>only playing on the road

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161. "I think KD does whatever Kyrie wants , so he’s the one pulling the str..."
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>>>This all nash fault.
>>
>>Imagine Kyrie Irving telling Pat Riley or Popovich that
>he’s
>>only playing on the road
>

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151. "harden got no credit in the bank. i'll allow it."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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153. "Harden was desperate to get that ring , hard to do with no help"
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And when your two teammates aren’t as hungry as you are (for a ring)

*insert joke about Harden being hungry* but he already looks thinner in his first practice / press conference lol

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162. "i'm actually team harden in this situation..here's why"
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i actually believe harden is all about a chip. that's why he was willing to come to brooklyn and share the limelight and the ball. we quickly forget he was a fuckin beast as facilitator earlier in the year when they got to all play together. harden has been willing to sacrifice.

but what he realized was....

his two compadres were not as committed to winning a chip as he was. he thought they were but he was wrong.

KD has explicitly said in past interviews that he aint all about chips. he's about happiness and growth. nothing to debate there. he said it himself.

Kyrie too has explicitly said that basketball aint his whole life as he has been willing to stay anti-vax and miss games and contribute to brooklyn losing by staying absent. kyrie aint all about the chip.

and you know what? kd and rie already got fuckin chips so they dgaf really.

harden thought they still were about the chip... but realized they not hungry. harden hungry. he know embiid hungry. he want to be with someone hungry.

  

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163. "RE: i'm actually team harden in this situation..here's why"
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>i actually believe harden is all about a chip. that's why he
>was willing to come to brooklyn and share the limelight and
>the ball. we quickly forget he was a fuckin beast as
>facilitator earlier in the year when they got to all play
>together. harden has been willing to sacrifice.
>
>but what he realized was....
>
>his two compadres were not as committed to winning a chip as
>he was. he thought they were but he was wrong.
>
>KD has explicitly said in past interviews that he aint all
>about chips. he's about happiness and growth. nothing to
>debate there. he said it himself.
>
>Kyrie too has explicitly said that basketball aint his whole
>life as he has been willing to stay anti-vax and miss games
>and contribute to brooklyn losing by staying absent. kyrie
>aint all about the chip.
>
>and you know what? kd and rie already got fuckin chips so they
>dgaf really.
>
>harden thought they still were about the chip... but realized
>they not hungry. harden hungry. he know embiid hungry. he want
>to be with someone hungry.

I think KD desperately wants to win a ring without Steph because he hates the notion that he had to “ring chase” and hop on their bandwagon to get one that’s why he left along with the Draymond fight

Kyrie is all about Kyrie lol

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164. "Giannis dropped the most efficient 50 pt game I’ve ever seen "
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https://streamable.com/p86l2p


17/21 and dude was furious with himself for missing 3 free throws lol

He deserves to be mentioned for MVP just as much as Joker and Embid




>Carmelo Zone: Players who score an astronomical amount of
>points, but
>don’t improve the performance of the team, because they
>don’t or can’t
>do anything else, especially on defense. They are empty
>calorie players, and their
>game lacks fiber and protein.
>
>There are several players throughout the history of basketball
>who fall
>under this category.
>
>Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, World B Free,
>Dominique Wilkins,
>etc. You see where I’m going here. Those are some serious
>scorers and some
>are even top 75, but all were shit on defense and didn’t
>really make their teams
>better.
>
>I’m starting to believe Derozan fits in this category. In
>Toronto, the raptors constantly
>came up short in the POs, and the Spurs went backwards after
>he was traded to
>the team. He is an outstanding scorer, but he is a rag doll on
>defense, and I’m
>not seeing any leadership skills from him.
>
>Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and
>Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring
>points, they are seriously empty in
>other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to
>watch. And I know
>it’s frustrating for Billy to watch. Three allStar players
>should not be immensely
>paper thin on defense.
>
>Don’t let that score fool you, the Suns doo-doo’d all over
>us....and no one fears us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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165. "He's probably the best overall player in the world."
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Embiid has been the best in the NBA for stretches this season, and Jokic is the best offensive weapon in the NBA... but if I'm starting a basketball team today, looking to win now and win going forward, Giannis is my pick without even a second of hesitation. He's an annual MVP candidate, an annual DPOY candidate, and his motor *never* turns off, lol.

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167. "Am I wrong for making Hakeem Olajuwon comparisons ? He’s out there sha..."
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…and baking


>Embiid has been the best in the NBA for stretches this
>season, and Jokic is the best offensive weapon in the NBA...
>but if I'm starting a basketball team today, looking to win
>now and win going forward, Giannis is my pick without even a
>second of hesitation. He's an annual MVP candidate, an annual
>DPOY candidate, and his motor *never* turns off, lol.

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192. "He might be better than Hakeem."
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Feels insane to say, but Giannis’s best is probably better than Hakeem’s best. Wanna see how Giannis’s next 5-7 seasons go before totally cementing that take, because a huge part of what made Dream a special generational player was the longevity he had sustaining his excellence… but if someone wanted to argue that Giannis is already a better Hakeem, I wouldn’t push back.

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227. "great comparison. If Giannis can get another chip - he's top 15 to me"
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168. "Can't disagree."
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It's not recency bias to say this but he's sorta got a top 15 all timer resume already and that is...nuts.

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176. "He is too strong to bully and is still quicker than most bigs"
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and now his jumper has some moisture...it ain't WET, but when he is in a good rhythm, it falls...what can you do with that. Last season I think was his "I know Kung FU?!?!?" moment, now he is about to put on the black trench and fly through the whole damn matrix.

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166. "DeMar DeRozan last 6 games"
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173. "he cookin. never really been a fan but i respect his persistence"
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and endurance w/ it. i think them years out of the spotlight down in San Antonio helped him mentally as much as they did his game as well.

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174. "he's been going nuclear, it he didn't have 3 bigs in the league playing...."
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amazing he would be clear cut MVP almost any other year

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181. "Another one tonight. "
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He is playing at a level....like he watched what Kawhi did in T-Dot and his game has moved to that level.

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219. "he ballin... could have been a Laker..."
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I wonder what happened...
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169. "why do people assume ben simmons is gonna be running the offense?"
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theres so much wishcasting going on in sports media in spite of actual history.

all of the analysis stating ben will be a great fit for bk is based on some variation of him handling the rock and being surrounded by good to great scorers and 3 pt shooters.

it also assumes that the nets are gonna run some form of ball movement offense.

but the nets dont run that type of offense and never will with this roster. hes on a team with kd and kyrie. those dudes are controlling the rock. theyre not moving around without the ball and waiting for ben to set them up off screens, cuts, spot ups, etc.

nets had 3 of the top 10 players in terms of iso frequency on one team! now they still have 2 of the top 10.

ben is more likely gonna have to be an andrew wiggins 3rd scorer get it how you can get it type. but he has no jumper...is known to camp out in one spot without the ball...and isnt that aggressive without an open path to the basket or a break.

he will most likely make team spacing harder to come by than harden. and the decrease in individual scoring compared to harden is a given.

harden could actually run a half court offense better than simmons too.

the only upside i see to simmons are defense and rebounding really. and i think his defensive impact might even be muted a bit if the rest of the team isnt that good on d.

  

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170. "In one breath, Simmons had mental health issues"
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Next breath, I expect him to be better in BKN

I'm no mental health expert, but I'm certain that's not how this works
Dude had a meltdown
and talking heads are setting the expectations higher
I can't see how that could go wrong

We see elite players miss a week of games and need time to get back to game shape
Ben's been running pick up with Donte Christmas
He'll need the rest of the regular season just to get into NBA shape
...and then there's the games where Rie and KD won't be available...

The MSM should be ashamed of themselves for the entire Simmons saga
It's obvious all the info over the last 9 months came from Klutch.

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171. "mental issues, free throws, etc."
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clearly a downgrade from harden in so many areas...even in a 'bad' harden year.

these pro simmons talking heads have kinda boxed themselves in.

being the 3rd option on the team could theoretically help with some of the mental issues, pressure, expectations, etc right?

but if hes the true 3rd option in *this* offense...and he doesnt shoot from outside and hes not really a post player...then hes not going to be in command of the ball and facilitate like most of these people assume he will.

and also...for at least half the games...kyrie isnt gonna be there. so ben is gonna be expected to be #2 and pick up the scoring slack. and he might need to score even more than in philly cuz the next best scoring option is curry i guess? he was like the 4th highest scorer in philly *without* ben.

and thats half the games *if* kd is healthy. can you imagine simmons being asked to carry the load with both kd and kyrie out? (which is probably gonna happen a lot).

i think reality is gonna look a lot different than these debate panels.

  

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172. "btw kyrie is only eligible to play *8* games in the remaining season."
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195. "The issue to date with Ben is that he's the primary ball handler"
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and not an offensive threat
Yes, he can absolutely walk up i95 and play great defense and set great screens for shooters

But... he's going to have the ball in his hands the majority of the time

That's the entire issue with his tenure in Philly
...I didn't even necessarily want 3s...
But HE HAS TO SHOOT!

In hindsight, the fix was SOO easy
He could've walked into the first preseason game and jacked up 20 or so shots...

Problem solved...even if he went 0 for 20
Fans would've loved it.

He's refused to do anything remotely close to shooting...and actually regressed offensively last year

I just don't see how not playing professional basketball for 9 months fixes that issue...and going to BKN
Which has championship expectations, not aspirations
and their 2 best players aren't playing

Yeah, that sounds worse for someone struggling with their mental health

I'd be surprised if he plays this year, honestly

At this point, suiting up and getting some run is as much as anyone should expect of this kid.

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175. "I agree"
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>theres so much wishcasting going on in sports media in spite
>of actual history.
>
>all of the analysis stating ben will be a great fit for bk is
>based on some variation of him handling the rock and being
>surrounded by good to great scorers and 3 pt shooters.
>
>it also assumes that the nets are gonna run some form of ball
>movement offense.
>
>but the nets dont run that type of offense and never will with
>this roster. hes on a team with kd and kyrie. those dudes
>are controlling the rock. theyre not moving around without
>the ball and waiting for ben to set them up off screens, cuts,
>spot ups, etc.
>
>nets had 3 of the top 10 players in terms of iso frequency on
>one team! now they still have 2 of the top 10.
>
>ben is more likely gonna have to be an andrew wiggins 3rd
>scorer get it how you can get it type. but he has no
>jumper...is known to camp out in one spot without the
>ball...and isnt that aggressive without an open path to the
>basket or a break.
>
>he will most likely make team spacing harder to come by than
>harden. and the decrease in individual scoring compared to
>harden is a given.
>
>harden could actually run a half court offense better than
>simmons too.
>
>the only upside i see to simmons are defense and rebounding
>really. and i think his defensive impact might even be muted a
>bit if the rest of the team isnt that good on d.

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177. "KD played in that beautiful free flowing offense for one year w GSW"
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and the Warriors laid waste to everyone that first year, i think they went 15-1 in the playoffs IIRC. They were straight-up murdering teams

the next year, he started deviating from their usual offense and going iso more, they still won the title but it wasnt the same type of offense they were running ...and he kept alluding to his upcoming free agency like Harden did, which rubbed everyone the wrong way

its hilarious how everything is coming full circle



>theres so much wishcasting going on in sports media in spite
>of actual history.
>
>all of the analysis stating ben will be a great fit for bk is
>based on some variation of him handling the rock and being
>surrounded by good to great scorers and 3 pt shooters.
>
>it also assumes that the nets are gonna run some form of ball
>movement offense.
>
>but the nets dont run that type of offense and never will with
>this roster. hes on a team with kd and kyrie. those dudes
>are controlling the rock. theyre not moving around without
>the ball and waiting for ben to set them up off screens, cuts,
>spot ups, etc.
>
>nets had 3 of the top 10 players in terms of iso frequency on
>one team! now they still have 2 of the top 10.
>
>ben is more likely gonna have to be an andrew wiggins 3rd
>scorer get it how you can get it type. but he has no
>jumper...is known to camp out in one spot without the
>ball...and isnt that aggressive without an open path to the
>basket or a break.
>
>he will most likely make team spacing harder to come by than
>harden. and the decrease in individual scoring compared to
>harden is a given.
>
>harden could actually run a half court offense better than
>simmons too.
>
>the only upside i see to simmons are defense and rebounding
>really. and i think his defensive impact might even be muted a
>bit if the rest of the team isnt that good on d.

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199. "I loved the way JJ broke it down:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BbSoEPKSQ

I'm very high on this deal for Brooklyn.

Simmons can play as a point-3 or even a point-5; can switch/defend all positions and will be the anchor-wing on defense.

Reddick points to just how elite Ben is at finding open shooters - and this Brooklyn team - top to bottom - is one of the greatest shooting squads ever assembled.

Also - KD is brilliant off the ball; and Kyrie learned how to still make elite contributions off the ball during his title reign with LeBron.

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205. "A PG that refuses to shoot in the 4th and set the record for lowest FT%"
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In the playoffs... doesn't work.

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207. "we'll see how it plays out"
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Simmons obviously has had his shortcomings in the playoffs - but people are also forgetting the upside/positives he brings to the game. Those Philly teams were top-tier with Ben in part because of his contributions.

He contributes a whole lot more to his team than just shooting/FTs.

Philly turned its back on him after the bad performances - but I see him much more comfortable in Brooklyn - especially in a role where he can act more as a specialist than having the burden of being a 2nd option scorer.

  

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220. "You're wrong...and that's okay"
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But don't take my word for it
He said as much on Tuesday
It had nothing to do with basketball
Fans, teammates, media, etc...
He had a meltdown in his personal life

As a sixers fan, you don't have to explain to me how successful we were in the regular season

My point, putting the person we saw last year, in BKN this year, compounds his issues, it doesn't solve them.

You really think the team turned their back on a player the first year into a max extension...?
C'mon son
Dude voluntarily forfeited $20M
That dude has problems, IRL.

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221. "Time will tell who's "wrong""
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I just think it's amazing people think Simmons is finished. Dude is an all-star. No reason to think he's dropped off a cliff coming into his prime. It may take a year to get his legs/flow back - but he'll be playing all-star level basketball once again in the near future.

>But don't take my word for it
>He said as much on Tuesday
>It had nothing to do with basketball
>Fans, teammates, media, etc...

You believe everything you hear in a presser?

You actually think he'd come out in his first presser in Brooklyn and be like, "yea fuck Philly - they didn't have my back. Doc & Embiid threw me under the bus - fuck them" ??

>You really think the team turned their back on a player the
>first year into a max extension...?
>C'mon son
>Dude voluntarily forfeited $20M
>That dude has problems, IRL.

They would've never given him that extension after that playoff series vs. Atlanta. That cake was already baked and they were just trying to salvage their investment. The fans (and Embiid/Doc) took a hard-line and it was no secret that Philly was disgusted w/ him. Ben took it personally. Yea - I think he did have a bit of a breakdown - but no reason to think he'll have another one in Brooklyn. Why was he ok in all of his previous years? What changed? Could it be that Philly was vocally shitting on him and blaming him for the L?

  

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223. "I know it doesn't fit the narrative/Philly fan trope"
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Whole world watched him refuse to shoot in 4th quarters of a playoff series
Pass up dunks
and miss FTs at a historic rate
...those observations are not unique to affiliation with the team or city...
Everybody saw it.

He requested a trade 2 days later and held out until the trade

Who turned their back on who?

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226. "jj is a good dude but hes biased in favor of former teammates."
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178. "Detroit with a statement win vs Boston"
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Boston was short Time Lord and Smart, and this was day two of a back to back...but this was a game they were supposed to win.

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180. "we gotta lose games...need that Cade - Jabari connection to happen "
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>Boston was short Time Lord and Smart, and this was day two of
>a back to back...but this was a game they were supposed to
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191. "I’d honestly have Jabari 4th on the Detroit big board."
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Because of the top 4 guys in the draft, Jabari is definitely the worst at handling/creating. He’s an exceptional shooter, strong defender… but I think he’s best suited as, like, the perfect third guy on a contender. He’s the guy you take if you’re ready to push now, if you’ve got multiple core guys already. But I kinda think Detroit needs more guys who can handle/create.

I’d rather have Chet or Paolo… and I sneaky think Jaden Ivey would be an absolutely elite fit with Cade. Jabari is a sick individual… but I don’t know about the fit.

This is going to be a crazy draft year because all the top players are so close in quality, we could see #1 overall feasibly go to at least four different dudes, if not more.

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193. "I just don’t trust holmgren idk why , he seems frail af "
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I’d be fine w Paolo too, or Ivey or Shaedon Sharpe (if he declares , he should )



>Because of the top 4 guys in the draft, Jabari is definitely
>the worst at handling/creating. He’s an exceptional shooter,
>strong defender… but I think he’s best suited as, like,
>the perfect third guy on a contender. He’s the guy you take
>if you’re ready to push now, if you’ve got multiple core
>guys already. But I kinda think Detroit needs more guys who
>can handle/create.
>
>I’d rather have Chet or Paolo… and I sneaky think Jaden
>Ivey would be an absolutely elite fit with Cade. Jabari is a
>sick individual… but I don’t know about the fit.
>
>This is going to be a crazy draft year because all the top
>players are so close in quality, we could see #1 overall
>feasibly go to at least four different dudes, if not more.

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179. "Praying like Whoopi Goldberg in the Color Purple that Dolan fires Thibs"
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198. "That is the beauty of MSG...he can go downstairs and get on the train"
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Too much money is riding on the NY market, and we know the Nets are going to be a ghost town in a year or two....

I don't care if Thib's Momma's maiden name is Soprano. He is going to be packing his shit. If Woodson hadn't left for Indiana, they would do it this weekend and have Woodson be the interim coach. Thibs is done...the only thing left is to make sure he doesn't fuck up anybody's career on his way out of town.

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183. "RE: damn ad went down kinda crazy."
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his ankle was literally on the floor
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185. "Fun year! "
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Worth the title tho

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186. "DeRozan setting impressive records out here. "
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First player in league history with seven games at 35+ ppg @ 50%+ shooting.

That’s a crazy stat when you realize Wilt existed.

  

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187. "wardell."
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188. "damnnnn."
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190. "Joker TOO cold"
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189. "Sure, he's injured NOW, but When Healthy?"
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Time to cut bait on Brow.

This will only continue, and it will get worse.

Fuck this whole ".....when healthy!" narrative.

When Healthy is his fucking name at this point.

Get whatever we can possibly get, and move the fuck on.

Let Brawn find a spot. Get whatever we can.

Because this run is done, over, etc.

I'm not losing sleep over cutting bait on cats that were mercenaries to begin with.

Blow this shit up and let's get started on that rebuild, because we aren't winning shit else from here, with this roster.

  

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194. "hopefully we can get some picks and young talent and start over.."
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seems like deja vu...

Again, the only time this core has remained healthy and did anything is after a 4 month break and a tournament with no travel.
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197. "Your 2020 World Champion Los Angeles Lakers"
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201. "By that line of reasoning, we should sign Pau, Shaq, etc"
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Shit, sign Magic and Kareem

They all won more than one title

According to your brilliant counter, those should have been our vet minimum deals.

Right?

Of course not.

Because you absolutely understand that what someone did in 2020 has absolutely nothing to do with today and tomorrow.

  

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206. "I'm just pointing out the fact that you weren't ever on board"
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w/ the Lakers trading its young core to bring in AD. And yet, ultimately that led to a championship and put an end to an historic Laker playoff drought in what was the Lakers worst half-decade of basketball in its franchise history.

Despite that paradigm shift and 'chip - you've been denigrating this team from the jump.

Had the front office been more competent - this team could be very different. The reason the Lakers are in this position right now is not solely on AD's lack of availability or LeBron's age (LeBron is playing fabulous basketball once again this season) - it's because of a flurry of free agency activity that simply hasn't panned out. This team would be very different today if they took the Lowry deal - or made the Derozan move happen - or went for Hield while retaining assets like Caruso etc...

You seem to think that if the Lakers just ship out LeBron & AD that they'll be back on track. Back on track to what exactly? Bottom barrel of the league once again with no shot at the playoffs?


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209. "Nothing about your post said any of that, lol. "
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But that makes sense, since you're arguing with your imagination here, not me.

>w/ the Lakers trading its young core to bring in AD.

This is far more nuanced that that.

I've said countless times, that you take that deal for those kids.
That it's not my preferred building method doesn't change that.

So, I had both sentimental attachment to the guys we drafted and went through those down times with, and a rational understanding of what was the obvious move.

In order for you to have a valid point here, you have to strip away all that nuance.

You literally have to create your own version of my stance for most of this to look like a valid argument, because you're not really arguing against my perspective. Hell, half of your "points" are things I've already said myself.

Moreover, my biggest issue, far and away, by far, was always about the way the deal was structured, .

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2699335&mesg_id=2699335&listing_type=search#2699473

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2699335&mesg_id=2699335&listing_type=search#2699457

>yet, ultimately that led to a championship and put an end to
>an historic Laker playoff drought in what was the Lakers worst
>half-decade of basketball in its franchise history.

...and I've said multiple times that you still make the trade for AD.

Shit, I called it a net win TODAY:

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2619892&mesg_id=2619892&page=#2758826

So you're literally telling me things I've already said myself.

>Despite that paradigm shift and 'chip - you've been
>denigrating this team from the jump.

I've denigrated the structure of the deal itself.

Do you really not understand the difference there?

>Had the front office been more competent - this team could be
>very different.

Still telling me the things I've already said.

The reason the Lakers are in this position
>right now is not solely on AD's lack of availability or
>LeBron's age

Can you show me where I've made this argument?

Because I've said this team is broken in general.

Do you really not grasp the nuanced difference between acknowledging the serious problems with AD and saying that the problem is solely AD?

And please, show me one post where I cite Lebron's age as a problem.

Again, you're arguing with your imagination. Not with me.

I dunno, maybe you should create an alias to argue with.

>(LeBron is playing fabulous basketball once again
>this season)

You say this as though I've argued otherwise.

>it's because of a flurry of free agency
>activity that simply hasn't panned out.

Do you want to know a huge reason why that is?

The structure of the AD deal took all our picks.

And much as Frank thinks I overvalue picks- I don't- but they are a critical currency in today's NBA trading climate.

And we don't have them. Which makes it that much harder to structure deals, particularly when you don't have players people want.

>You seem to think that if the Lakers just ship out LeBron & AD
>that they'll be back on track.

I LITERALLY said to start a rebuild.

*you* said back on track.

Once again, you have to strip my actual words away, and replace them with your own, to make your point.

>Back on track to what exactly?

Good question. Ask your straw man, see what he says, because I certainly didn't say that, nor imply it.

So, get at me when you can actually respond to the things I'm actually saying. Until then, kick rocks.

  

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208. "I wonder if the bubble"
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kind of forced him to take better care of himself or some shit.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but yeah its time to cut ties with Brow *if* you can get something reasonable in return.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bron is gone either way. He didn't have patience with building teams organically 10 years ago...doubtful he's going to tough it out at this stage.

  

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200. "Game 2 after trade: Brooklyn erases historic 28-point defecit"
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to beat the Knicks in the Garden, *without* Kyrie, Simmons & KD.

Seth Curry with another 20-point game (and a +24); Drummond 11 pts, 19 rebounds lol.

This team's entire aura is different.

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202. "Tristan Thompson to the Bulls."
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Always wondered if my Bulls would ever sign one of the Findlay Prep guys.

Solid pick up by AK and ME to back up Vucevic.
If we can get guys healthy by mid March, we'll be good.

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204. "perfect pickup."
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now we just need to get healthy with some time to gel before the playoffs.

  

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203. "The Bulls are No. 1 again!"
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Off the incredible effort of DeMar. I can't believe he broke a Wilt Chamberlain record.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

Jays | Cavs | Eagles | Sabres | Tarheels

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210. "Hearing Nets fans drown out MSG w BROOOKLYYYN = priceless"
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SEEING those sad ass knick fans going back to Connecticut, Long Island and Westchester/White Plains sad / mad as hell was even better

The reason there were so many Nets fans in MSG last night is becasue its way easier for New Jersey residents to get to Penn Station than Barclays

but my god, the Knicks are so dead in the water. Fire Thibs, demolish the existing structures and start all over. Randle and Barrett are NOT the answer.


>Carmelo Zone: Players who score an astronomical amount of
>points, but
>don’t improve the performance of the team, because they
>don’t or can’t
>do anything else, especially on defense. They are empty
>calorie players, and their
>game lacks fiber and protein.
>
>There are several players throughout the history of basketball
>who fall
>under this category.
>
>Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, World B Free,
>Dominique Wilkins,
>etc. You see where I’m going here. Those are some serious
>scorers and some
>are even top 75, but all were shit on defense and didn’t
>really make their teams
>better.
>
>I’m starting to believe Derozan fits in this category. In
>Toronto, the raptors constantly
>came up short in the POs, and the Spurs went backwards after
>he was traded to
>the team. He is an outstanding scorer, but he is a rag doll on
>defense, and I’m
>not seeing any leadership skills from him.
>
>Our big three are Carmelo Zone players... Lavine, Vucch, and
>Derozan are elite offensive players, but other than scoring
>points, they are seriously empty in
>other aspects of the game. It’s very, very frustrating to
>watch. And I know
>it’s frustrating for Billy to watch. Three allStar players
>should not be immensely
>paper thin on defense.
>
>Don’t let that score fool you, the Suns doo-doo’d all over
>us....and no one fears us.
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211. "LOL"
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>SEEING those sad ass knick fans going back to Connecticut, Long Island and Westchester/White Plains sad / mad as hell was even better

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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212. "The trading Bron and/or Brow sentiment is understandable but..."
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I simply can't see it happening.

I've got my qualms with how Jeannie is running the team, for sure. Rob too. And sure, AD's health is a question.

But do you guys *SERIOUSLY* think that BI/DLo/Lonzo/Nance/Randle is even a conference finals team right today? I do not. Maybe a 2nd round exit - maybe. And I LOVE all those dudes, but BI is the best one there and doesn't really seem to be THE dude yet.

Young talent ABSOLUTELY matters. But the post Kobe era was stockpiled with high picks and that amounted to getting AD. Unless there's some sort of cant-miss prospect coming up soon (and even then!), I can't see this team forgoing superstars for the potential of young talent.

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213. "Yea, it's the Lakers. You dont have to draft your talent "
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Just gotta wait out the few years of mediocrity with Bron stat padding and then you have your pick of marquee free agents... it's not like you're in the same boat as Detroit or Portland or Milwaukee. I bet they could even land Bradley Beal this summer with the right sign and trade.

You just need a GM that is good at picking role players. Rob Lowe is not it.

I understand that the pedigree and standard is different for that franchise, but (reasonable) fans cant possibly expect to be in contention every single year.

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215. "We should if we have two top ten players"
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That's part of the problem- one of those players isn't even an all star, because he's been out injured too much to make the team.

And he's injured yet again, so he wouldn't be able to play anyways.

and we gave up a pretty fair amount to get him.

So yeah, the expectation that we should be in contention each year of this current roster is perfectly reasonable.

Those two players are also de facto GM's, and this is a roster largely of their making.

So everyone, from the top brass to middle management is at fault for allowing them that level of control, so they don't get to pass the buck to LeGM. That's on management.

So while no one should expect their team to contend *every* year, we, in the context of this season, absolutely should expect to be in contention given what we gave up and who we got for what we gave up.

But the vast majority of Lakers fans here readily acknowledge this season as horrible and a lost cause.

Some of us would just rather cut bait on the failed experiment get to the rebuilding process that is coming, hopefully gaining some assets to help that process.

  

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217. "I always forget LeGM is a real thing lol , yea that’s gotta stop nm"
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216. "Right. And this is probably the worst decade in Lakers history."
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2012 - 2nd round out
2013 - 1st round out/Kobe achilles
2014 - lottery
2015 - lottery
2016 - lottery
2017 - lottery
2018 - lottery
2019 - lottery
2020 - CHAMPIONSHIP
2021 - 1st round out

Worst franchise decade, and somehow that still includes a title, Lebron James, and Anthony Davis.

Laker fans are SO spoiled it's insane.

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214. "I have no illusions of that actually happening"
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>I simply can't see it happening.

Same. But I think that's the wise move to just get the rebuild started sooner than later.

>I've got my qualms with how Jeannie is running the team, for
>sure. Rob too. And sure, AD's health is a question.

All of that.

Frankly, this needs a top down rebuild. As long as Jeanie is empowering the Rambii (c) to have so much influence though, to say nothing of the insistence on staying in house, we're going to have problems.

>But do you guys *SERIOUSLY* think that
>BI/DLo/Lonzo/Nance/Randle is even a conference finals team
>right today? I do not. Maybe a 2nd round exit - maybe. And I
>LOVE all those dudes, but BI is the best one there and doesn't
>really seem to be THE dude yet.

No.

The issue isn't that we traded those guys away.

The issue is that we traded them for a guy who was about to be free agent the following summer, where we would have had the money to sign him- or complete a sign and trade, or even a mid-season trade, with much more favorable terms, and instead got him for a price for which we are currently, objectively suffering as a direct result.

So the price tag is the biggest problem.

That was a concern at the time, and that has been objectively proven to be valid.

>Young talent ABSOLUTELY matters. But the post Kobe era was
>stockpiled with high picks and that amounted to getting AD.

Right- but the issue is the way the deal was structured, crippled our flexibility once he got here. The fact that he's so often injured only further compounds that problem.

>Unless there's some sort of cant-miss prospect coming up soon
>(and even then!), I can't see this team forgoing superstars
>for the potential of young talent.

Agreed, but there's a difference between what people want or think should happen, and what people think will or even would happen.

  

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224. "RE: I have no illusions of that actually happening"
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>Frankly, this needs a top down rebuild. As long as Jeanie is
>empowering the Rambii (c) to have so much influence though, to
>say nothing of the insistence on staying in house, we're going
>to have problems.

I don't think think the Rambii(c) have any more or less influence than they had 2-3 years ago


>
>The issue isn't that we traded those guys away.
>
>The issue is that we traded them for a guy who was about to be
>free agent the following summer, where we would have had the
>money to sign him- or complete a sign and trade, or even a
>mid-season trade, with much more favorable terms, and instead
>got him for a price for which we are currently, objectively
>suffering as a direct result.
>
>So the price tag is the biggest problem.
>
>That was a concern at the time, and that has been objectively
>proven to be valid.

If New Orleans didn't trade him to LA there's a good chance he would've been traded somewhere else.

>>Young talent ABSOLUTELY matters. But the post Kobe era was
>>stockpiled with high picks and that amounted to getting AD.
>
>Right- but the issue is the way the deal was structured,
>crippled our flexibility once he got here. The fact that he's
>so often injured only further compounds that problem.

After we won the title AD was a free agent, AD and Rich Paul knew he was injury prone and no doubt pushed for the max extension. Everyone knew it was bad deal when it happened but we couldn't afford to let him walk as a free agent after what he gave up to get him.

Early on there was the talk that he was going to step into the role of being the man and Bron was going to take a backseat but it was almost obvious from day 1 Davis wasn't built like that. He's a Robin, and extremely high level Robin when he wants to be but definitely not a Batman.

At the end of the day the AD move was a swing for the fences deal that worked, we hoped to squeeze multiple titles out it like we did with Gasol but it doesn't look like that will happen. A lot of swing for the fences deals in the NBA don't work once(Brooklyn).

We're most likely due for another drought in titles but that's how it is. Some of us are old enough to see the Lakers win 5 titles in the 80's with Magic & Kareem, the a little over 10 years later saw Shaq & Kobe 3peat, the less than 10 years later saw Kobe & Gasol win 2 more, then Lebron and AD 10 years later. The majority of NBA fans haven't seen their team win 1 title during that time.

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225. "I mean, I'm well aware of Lakers history"
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I lived through all of it, watched most of it as it happened, read countless newspaper articles, and have multiple books on them that lay that history out in great depth.

So I'm not sure what the walk down memory lane is supposed to do.

>>Frankly, this needs a top down rebuild. As long as Jeanie
>is
>>empowering the Rambii (c) to have so much influence though,
>to
>>say nothing of the insistence on staying in house, we're
>going
>>to have problems.
>
>I don't think think the Rambii(c) have any more or less
>influence than they had 2-3 years ago

Sure sounds like it, with Kurt giving orders to the coaching staff to go big. But maybe it's always been that way. Either way, they shouldn't have any pull. Kurt's got an abysmal track record at pretty much everything and only has this job because he was once a Laker, and Phil's protoge.

>If New Orleans didn't trade him to LA there's a good chance he
>would've been traded somewhere else.

oh no.

So we pivot in that case. But again, we could have probably gotten a better price at the deadline, or just not given up so much in the way of draft picks. But the fact remains, we didn't have anything even close to a gun to our head to make that deal at such a steep price.

In the end, we bent over for Mr Glass, and now we're paying the true cost of that chip, and it's time to cut our losses and get to that next phase early IMO.

>After we won the title AD was a free agent, AD and Rich Paul
>knew he was injury prone and no doubt pushed for the max
>extension. Everyone knew it was bad deal when it happened but
>we couldn't afford to let him walk as a free agent after what
>he gave up to get him.

The fuck we couldn't. This is a sunk cost fallacy.

>At the end of the day the AD move was a swing for the fences
>deal that worked, we hoped to squeeze multiple titles out it
>like we did with Gasol but it doesn't look like that will
>happen. A lot of swing for the fences deals in the NBA don't
>work once(Brooklyn).

Agreed. So here we are, and it's time to ship his ass out. What's the problem?

>We're most likely due for another drought in titles but that's
>how it is.

Yeah, I know. I don't know how many times I've said "rebuild" in here, yet everyone seems to reply like I am not demonstrably aware of that fact.

>Some of us are old enough to see the Lakers win 5
>titles in the 80's with Magic & Kareem, the a little over 10
>years later saw Shaq & Kobe 3peat, the less than 10 years
>later saw Kobe & Gasol win 2 more, then Lebron and AD 10 years
>later. The majority of NBA fans haven't seen their team win 1
>title during that time.

I'm aware of all of this. I have no idea what this has to do with anything I've said.

Does any of that change the fact that AD really stands for Always Disabled, or Another DNP?

Does any of this change the fact that any conversation about him comes increasingly with the qualifier, "When Healthy"?

Does that change the fact that that window looks pretty much done?

Does any of that change the fact that we actually could get *something* for these guys that could actually jump start the process a little?

Because I don't see how the Lakers rich history changes any of that.

  

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229. "You try to act like the trade for AD wasn’t worth it, and it was, even..."
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we only get 1 ring out the deal.

We’re not trading Bron lol

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Cold Truth
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230. "Do you think a title in 2020 changes the set of facts that exist today?"
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Why is it that you keep arguing against points im not actually making, and ignoring the ones I actually am?

I called the trade a net win.
It is.

I also acknowledge that the price was incredibly steep.
It is.

I also think we made mistakes in the process that made the price higher than it needed to be. There were, and it was. And we are now paying that price.

Y’all keep trying to argue with me, yet none of you are refuting these points- instead, you keep arguing against gross oversimplifications, or flat out straw men.

I also think AD’s injuries will only increase, in frequency and severity, now making him a net liability.

I’d say that trajectory is a perfectly reasonable educated guess- and it’s notable that none of you have argued against that.

Once again: a title in 2020 doesn’t change the set of facts that exist today.

And again, it’s telling that you all keep going back to 2020- a win I’ve repeatedly acknowledged and defended- instead of arguing against the point about the current set of facts.

2020 doesn’t change a thing about today, and we should cut our losses while we can still get something back for him.

The fact that we traded for him doesn’t mean we have to keep him, any more than acknowledging the win in 2020 means we have to pretend that he isn’t getting injured constantly in 2022.

  

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232. "I think we pretty much agree and are just arguing for the sake of arguin..."
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at this point.

I wouldn't be against them trading AD, I don't see them trading Bron unless he asks for it and I don't think he will.

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233. "Lmao ain’t no we. That was all you😂"
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Same with Vex. Half the shit he’s saying I already agree with, and wasn’t arguing.

That said, I don’t think Brawn goes anywhere, and I think Zach is the best haul we could possibly get for AD. I’d be good with that.

  

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218. "we got the ring so this is already a success"
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a segment of laker fans need to let that young core fixation go

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ThaTruth
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222. "agreed lol..."
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>a segment of laker fans need to let that young core fixation
>go

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228. "AD out at least 4 weeks?"
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Cold Truth
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231. "So? We won a title in 2020."
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Who cares about persistent injuries in 2022, when we got a chip in 2020.

  

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