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The Real
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"So they're really not going to let Bonds in the HOF?"


  

          

This is Bond's last year to appear on the ballot and it looks like they really aren't going to let dude in.


He is the best baseball player I've ever seen and was a three-time MVP before he went to San Francisco. The fact that Jeff Bagwell is in when there were performance enhancing drugs like crazy in that clubhouse is just bizarre to me.


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I feel like BB has been waiting for this to happen
Nov 18th 2021
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Baseball HOF without Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco...
Nov 18th 2021
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yeah its crazy, how do you ignore an entire era?
Nov 18th 2021
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RE: Baseball HOF without Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco...
Nov 19th 2021
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Of all the players who were part of that cheating era,
Nov 18th 2021
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RE: amphetamines
Nov 18th 2021
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I disagree.
Nov 18th 2021
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      What would you expect them to say?
Nov 18th 2021
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Bonds had 500 HR and 500 SB BEFORE the PEDs
Nov 18th 2021
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Felt for some time that the Hall should deal decisively with the issue.
Nov 18th 2021
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It really is Amerikkka's national pasttime
Nov 19th 2021
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I don’t think race has anything to do with it.
Nov 19th 2021
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Race ALWAYS has *something to do with it, even if not the most
Nov 20th 2021
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      ^^^This is 100 percent bullshit.
Nov 20th 2021
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      RE: ^^^This is 100 percent bullshit.
Nov 21st 2021
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      let me clarify
Nov 23rd 2021
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      LOL No.
Nov 24th 2021
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           race neutrality in a racist ass sport in a racist ass country
Nov 24th 2021
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What's ironic is that you gusy didn't even create the sport, we did.
Nov 24th 2021
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yet Boody will walk right into Canton, untouched
Nov 23rd 2021
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LOL@the ballot
Nov 23rd 2021
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you stated it more artfully than I
Nov 23rd 2021
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Jim Thome was raking since he was 23/24 years old and
Nov 23rd 2021
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I am not throwing shade on duke
Nov 23rd 2021
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I stopped reading at Bobby Abreu
Nov 24th 2021
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      Bobby Abreu >>> Albert Pujols! Best hitter in baseball! WALKS!!!
Nov 25th 2021
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Fuck'em.
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bentagain
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1. "I feel like BB has been waiting for this to happen"
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He's been uncharacteristically quiet

If/when he loses eligibility...I expect scorched earth.

Best eye at the plate I've ever seen...steroids didn't do that.

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2. "Baseball HOF without Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco..."
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they gonna keep out ARod, Manny, Big Papi? I'm not sure how you judge the 'steroid era' (also LOL is you think the performance enhancing drug era is over), but I'm pretty sure baseball writers will pick the worst and most petty way to go about it.

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3. "yeah its crazy, how do you ignore an entire era?"
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>they gonna keep out ARod, Manny, Big Papi? I'm not sure how
>you judge the 'steroid era' (also LOL is you think the
>performance enhancing drug era is over), but I'm pretty sure
>baseball writers will pick the worst and most petty way to go
>about it.

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10. "RE: Baseball HOF without Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco..."
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>they gonna keep out ARod, Manny, Big Papi? I'm not sure how
>you judge the 'steroid era' (also LOL is you think the
>performance enhancing drug era is over), but I'm pretty sure
>baseball writers will pick the worst and most petty way to go
>about it.

That’s what annoys me the most. It seems like an obviously petty thing. Like ‘oh, you hate the media? Cool, we’re gonna make your hatred valid by being petty. No, we don’t see the irony of this at all. Fuck ya..you’re not in’.

It’s ho shit to the max. But I’ve had disdain for the writers and their obviously petty steez for a long time. It’s weak.

  

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4. "Of all the players who were part of that cheating era, "
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Bonds should get elected, because he had hall of fame numbers
before he started taking PEDS.

Arod faced up to his cheating, and admitted to it. Bonds never
confessed or told the truth about it. He is still in denial,
so they are going to punish him for it. If Bond confesses to what
we already know, they will vote him in...

Roger Clemens is in the same boat. He still denies the steroid allegations against him, and he also still denies that he had a
romance with a 16 year old country singer. Roger Clemens will not get
in.

Leaving Curt Shilling out will be an even bigger travesty, because his
banning would solely be based on his political views,and his political views are his constitutional right.

Arod and Big Papi will get in.



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5. "RE: amphetamines "
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It's not about PEDs IMO
The prior generation of MLBers were very open about their use of amphetamines
...greenies...
IMO, it's more about the relationship with the media
BB did have an adversarial relationship with the press
IMO, this is what keeping him out is about...payback.

To your point, ARoid and Papi are media darlings...that's why they have a better chance.

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6. "I disagree. "
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There is an article on the Barry Bonds hall of fame situation, and
they are starting that until he confesses he will not get in. It is as
simple as that.

Pete Rose is a prime example. He is my favorite player of all time, with the greatest nickname of all time, CHARLIE HUSTLE. However, he denied gambling on baseball for 14 years, and they punished him for it, and are still punishing him for it. Considering how big sports gambling is now, and how baseball even has a sponsorships with gambling companies, its
a joke that he is still banned.

If Bonds wants in, he has to confess.

Baseball, of all sports, is an institution of purist, and they do not
play.

As far as Greenies go, there is a huge difference between taking
uppers and taking steroids. One alters the soft tissue of the body, the other one doesn't. Tons of players were on cocaine in the 70s and 80s.....but again greenies and cocaine do not alter the body.


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7. "What would you expect them to say?"
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ASSuming the same people that wrote your ‘article’ are also baseball writers
You expect them to say we voted no because BB was mean to me?
Bet money, if BB admitted to using PEDs, it would be something else to keep him out
It’s personal, IMO.
Same with Pete Rose, they just don’t like him

Even to the point of admission to using…what does that have to do with baseball?
It’s still a stoopid reason.

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9. "Bonds had 500 HR and 500 SB BEFORE the PEDs"
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8. "Felt for some time that the Hall should deal decisively with the issue."
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Perhaps set up a separate wing or something to acknowledge that set of players, without necessarily including them in the Hof itself.

Just the weird state of limbo they're maintaining bugs me.

  

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11. "It really is Amerikkka's national pasttime"
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with its ironies, contradictions, hypocrisy, and false idolization.

  

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12. "I don’t think race has anything to do with it."
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Schilling, McGuire, and Clemens have been banned as well.

It’s more about integrity and honoring the game, and also
not trying to make fool out all of the followers of baseball.
You can’t double down on that.

If they all were to come clean like Arod did, this wouldn’t even be an issue.

Arod did a lot of making up to the fans and to league itself.

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13. "Race ALWAYS has *something to do with it, even if not the most"
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>Schilling, McGuire, and Clemens have been banned as well.
Were they actually banned, or have they just not been voted in? And what is the reason for Schilling? He wasn't suspected of juicing was he?

>It’s more about integrity and honoring the game, and also
>not trying to make fool out all of the followers of baseball.
>You can’t double down on that.
Here's the issue: baseball HAS no integrity. it worships numbers while actively having maintained a segregated, talent diluted league. but let's make it contemporary. everybody saw mcgwire look like goddamn paul bunyan and pre bleached sammy who "lov this country" both blow past Maris's record in 98. McGwire had some shit in this locker, acted like it was nothing. Nobody uttered a fucking word. And McGwire wasn't known as a media darling.

Fast forward to 2003. Big Black Barry comes through and blows through that record, then its time to investigate.

The biggest farce of the steroids era is that the overwhelming majority of the spotlight was on hitters but not pitchers. there was no true interest in figuring out who all was actually juicing, just big targets. motherfuckers hated Barry Bonds because he kept the press at arm's length, but he also grew up son of a major leaguer and saw it from the inside. those pencil dicked wannabes relished the opportunity to take something from someone who could do what they never could, with or without a needle.

>If they all were to come clean like Arod did, this wouldn’t
>even be an issue.
>
>Arod did a lot of making up to the fans and to league itself.
again, it's this faux moral high ground that i can't fuck with. folks used 98 to draw attention back to a league that was on life support following a strike that canceled a world series in 94. and fans willingly played along with the juiced ball era. to act like they were cheated and misled while their own eyes showed that these motherfuckers were looking like Avengers is disingenuous as fuck.

  

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14. "^^^This is 100 percent bullshit."
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Sat Nov-20-21 10:16 PM by allStah

          

Jose Canseco exposed baseball’s dirty big secret when he released his book
in 2005. That is what drew a lot of attention to the steroid use in baseball, and
that’s when the media kept reporting on it. That forced Bud Selig to investigate
the matter, which led to the Mitchell Report.

And the Mitchell Report didn’t really have legs in the beginning, until a former
Mets’ batboy was arrested for drug trafficking ( I think), and struck a plea deal
with the DA to avoid prison. He stated that he could name several players who
were taking steroids, and that he would give up the names if the charges against
him were reduced.

It wasn’t some Witch Hunt for Bonds, because MLB was making billions
off him. You think they wanted that to just stop??

Bond wasn’t even the big focus of the Mitchell report. It was actually Rogers Clemens
because Brian Mcname told investigators that he had injected Clemens with steroids,
and the media went crazy when that was reported.

The reason why Bonds went to trial is because he committed perjury by lying
to a Grand Jury regarding his steroid use. And Gary Anderson , bonds’ former
trainer refused to testify against him in that trial.....and he is a white man.

Schilling is being punished because of his extreme support for Donald Trump.


White, Black and Latino were exposed.

And fock Bonds’ record. Hank Aaron has the real home run record.






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15. "RE: ^^^This is 100 percent bullshit."
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>Jose Canseco exposed baseball’s dirty big secret when he
>released his book
>in 2005. That is what drew a lot of attention to the steroid
>use in baseball, and
>that’s when the media kept reporting on it. That forced Bud
>Selig to investigate
>the matter, which led to the Mitchell Report.
>
>And the Mitchell Report didn’t really have legs in the
>beginning, until a former
>Mets’ batboy was arrested for drug trafficking ( I think),
>and struck a plea deal
>with the DA to avoid prison. He stated that he could name
>several players who
>were taking steroids, and that he would give up the names if
>the charges against
>him were reduced.
>
>It wasn’t some Witch Hunt for Bonds, because MLB was making
>billions
>off him. You think they wanted that to just stop??
>
>Bond wasn’t even the big focus of the Mitchell report. It
>was actually Rogers Clemens
>because Brian Mcname told investigators that he had injected
>Clemens with steroids,
>and the media went crazy when that was reported.
>
>The reason why Bonds went to trial is because he committed
>perjury by lying
>to a Grand Jury regarding his steroid use. And Gary Anderson ,
>bonds’ former
>trainer refused to testify against him in that trial.....and
>he is a white man.
>
>Schilling is being punished because of his extreme support for
>Donald Trump.
>
>
>White, Black and Latino were exposed.
>
>And fock Bonds’ record. Hank Aaron has the real home run
>record.
>

Hate to agree with you but it's obvious it's about the era, not race. Clemens, McGwire, etc are not getting in. Bonds was great before PEDs but it doesn't matter, especially because, as you pointed out, he has never even admitted it.

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16. "let me clarify"
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>Jose Canseco exposed baseball’s dirty big secret when he
>released his book
>in 2005. That is what drew a lot of attention to the steroid
>use in baseball, and
>that’s when the media kept reporting on it. That forced Bud
>Selig to investigate
>the matter, which led to the Mitchell Report.
>
>And the Mitchell Report didn’t really have legs in the
>beginning, until a former
>Mets’ batboy was arrested for drug trafficking ( I think),
>and struck a plea deal
>with the DA to avoid prison. He stated that he could name
>several players who
>were taking steroids, and that he would give up the names if
>the charges against
>him were reduced.
didn't remember this, interesting.

>It wasn’t some Witch Hunt for Bonds, because MLB was making
>billions
>off him. You think they wanted that to just stop??

I meant the HOF voters relished the opportunity to make Bonds pay.

I didn't mean to implicate it was a witch hunt for him. I know Bonds wasn't the target of the investigation, my point was prior to Canseco's book and the Mitchell Report, folks kept their head in the sand with McGwire but grumblings started happening once Barry hit 73. Meaning that Bonds alone didn't spark anything official, but folks were expressing much more skepticism with him than they did McGwire.




>Bond wasn’t even the big focus of the Mitchell report. It
>was actually Rogers Clemens
>because Brian Mcname told investigators that he had injected
>Clemens with steroids,
>and the media went crazy when that was reported.
>
>The reason why Bonds went to trial is because he committed
>perjury by lying
>to a Grand Jury regarding his steroid use. And Gary Anderson ,
>bonds’ former
>trainer refused to testify against him in that trial.....and
>he is a white man.
i remember no snitch Gregg

>Schilling is being punished because of his extreme support for
>Donald Trump.
that's some BS. he is a dick but he could throw the ball

>
>White, Black and Latino were exposed.
>
>And fock Bonds’ record. Hank Aaron has the real home run
>record.

I'm not saying that Bonds was being unfairly maligned, I'm saying he wasn't handled the same way that the 98 home run chase went. I mean the very reason he STARTED juicing was because his authentic excellence was overshadowed by McGwire and Sosa's enhanced performances.

You seem to remember this all well. Did they ever release the full list of names? If 15-20 big names were the users, that looks a lot different than 200 players across the sport. All just numbers I'm throwing out there, nothing verified.

Bottom line, player abilities should be the reason folks get in, not whether they were an asshole, who they voted for, or how nice they were. A-Rod's truth and reconciliation tour should advance his cause no further than Bonds. Baseball's moral authority is shaky ground to stand down.

  

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25. "LOL No. "
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Theres plenty of white guys not in the HOF for dumb reasons.

  

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26. "race neutrality in a racist ass sport in a racist ass country"
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>Theres plenty of white guys not in the HOF for dumb reasons.
>
alright then

  

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24. "What's ironic is that you gusy didn't even create the sport, we did."
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Doubleday lied.

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17. "yet Boody will walk right into Canton, untouched"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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18. "LOL@the ballot"
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Sosa
McGuire
Bonds
Schilling
Clemens...are all in their final year of eligibility

They really going to vote in Prince Fielder
Carl Crawford
Etc...borderline HOFers...that I would ASSume also have issues with PEDs during their career

Just for spite?

ARoid and Papi... because they like them personally

Looks like MLB has painted themselves into a corner

I can't see any class without those 5 losing eligibility...that wouldn't lessen the award of being in the HOF to begin with
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19. "you stated it more artfully than I"
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>Sosa
>McGuire
>Bonds
>Schilling
>Clemens...are all in their final year of eligibility
>
>They really going to vote in Prince Fielder
>Carl Crawford
>Etc...borderline HOFers...that I would ASSume also have issues
>with PEDs during their career
>
>Just for spite?
>
>ARoid and Papi... because they like them personally
>
>Looks like MLB has painted themselves into a corner
>
>I can't see any class without those 5 losing
>eligibility...that wouldn't lessen the award of being in the
>HOF to begin with
>SMH
>

MLB is wishy washy as fuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_career_home_run_leaders

30 years from now folks gonna be like, "damn why so many home run kings not in the HOF?"

Casting no aspersions on Thome, his career is remarkable as fuck that he was able to put up those numbers. He was universally given "nicest guy ever status," and I can't help but wonder if that was part of why they never even entertained the notion of him possibly being on PEDs, considering his highest home run totals occurred during the King Kong Bonds run...

MLB messy as fuck. they should provide context and put those motherfuckers in. i mean their speeches alone would be awkward as fuck, probably what they're looking to avoid. *shrugs*


  

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20. "Jim Thome was raking since he was 23/24 years old and "
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played for 21 years. Two things helped him: longevity, and DHing which allowed
him to have longevity. There was nothing abnormal about his body or offense.
He didn’t have some crazy 60 hr year.

The most he hit in a season was 52, and he consistently hit between 30-40
throughout his career. I put him in the Ken Griffey category as far as home
run hitting goes. Natural swing, natural power, and consistent...both
Finished with 600 something HRs.

He passes the eye test, so I am going to say he was clean, and I think
most people feel that way.

Baseball purists want sincerity and integrity on top of the stats.
I have no idea why Bonds, Clemens, etc are still in denial.


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22. "I am not throwing shade on duke"
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>played for 21 years. Two things helped him: longevity, and
>DHing which allowed
>him to have longevity. There was nothing abnormal about his
>body or offense.
>He didn’t have some crazy 60 hr year.
>
>The most he hit in a season was 52, and he consistently hit
>between 30-40
>throughout his career.
his highest home run totals were between 2001-2006, outside of that he only hit 40 once. I'm just saying, his peak output coincided with Bonds' run. It's not Brady Anderson ridiculous by a long shot, it's just that they were throwing allegations around at damn near anyone who was hitting in the high 40s for homers.

I put him in the Ken Griffey category
>as far as home
>run hitting goes. Natural swing, natural power, and
>consistent...both
>Finished with 600 something HRs.
>
>He passes the eye test, so I am going to say he was clean, and
>I think
>most people feel that way.
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>Baseball purists want sincerity and integrity on top of the
>stats.
here's my point. do they sincerity and integrity with HISTORIC stats or all of them? Because of PEDs healing properties, many middling players could have used it to make it TO the league. or mediocre MLBers could have used them to look better or an all star game or two. Is it any better for them to use than it was for a player who was just BETTER than them regardless (Bonds)? they had little interest in finding out ALL who used, just those who had a high profile.

I have absolutely no trust in the sincerity and integrity, for that reason.

>I have no idea why Bonds, Clemens, etc are still in denial.

probably because they recognize that many players who used did so without any scrutiny whatsoever.
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23. "I stopped reading at Bobby Abreu"
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Is this a HOF ballot or 1 of these things is not like the other

HR derby champ or The HR champ

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27. "Bobby Abreu >>> Albert Pujols! Best hitter in baseball! WALKS!!!"
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21. "Fuck'em."
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