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Ryan M
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"Morey has really botched this Simmons thing, hasn’t he?"


  

          

For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade. You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

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All of Morey's leverage disappeared after the draft
Sep 09th 2021
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But isn't Ben doing this just tanking his trade value even more?
Sep 09th 2021
12
      Ben certainly isn't helping his cause
Sep 09th 2021
13
           Obviously I dont see AD/Bron/Russ being traded
Sep 09th 2021
19
Klutch has really botched this Simmons thing.
Sep 09th 2021
2
Flaws and all is correct.
Sep 09th 2021
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      That's the dumbest part of this whole saga
Sep 09th 2021
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           Is he =/= can he be
Sep 09th 2021
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                Doc didn't say can't, he said IDK
Sep 09th 2021
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                     And he shouldn't have said that.
Sep 09th 2021
11
I don’t understand what Ben is doing, personally
Sep 09th 2021
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I mean, the team/Doc sorta bailed on him.
Sep 09th 2021
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      Again, you're contradicting yourself
Sep 09th 2021
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      I'm not contradicting myself at all.
Sep 09th 2021
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      I agree with you, except for one point
Sep 09th 2021
21
the thing that's bizarre to me
Sep 09th 2021
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Seems like the best deal that'd actually be on the table for sure.
Sep 09th 2021
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      right. like sure you want Dame or beal but let's be real here
Sep 12th 2021
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           Do you think CJ makes the 6ers a championship team?
Sep 13th 2021
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                yes, I think so. championship-caliber for sure
Sep 14th 2021
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                     I think CJ is a Tobias Harris level piece
Sep 14th 2021
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                          I think the context of the fit matters.
Sep 14th 2021
32
Koby bet not trade for him.
Sep 09th 2021
15
Hot take incoming: waiting was/is probably the best move.
Sep 09th 2021
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This all makes sense.
Sep 09th 2021
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My only thing is this:
Sep 09th 2021
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i agree...his value was shit after that series.
Sep 15th 2021
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It's also interesting that Elton Brand doesn't get fried...he is the GM
Sep 13th 2021
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I honestly forgot he was there.
Sep 13th 2021
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RE: I honestly forgot he was there.
Sep 14th 2021
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      ....and what's your point?
Sep 14th 2021
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           That you don't know what you're talking about
Sep 15th 2021
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                You know who else wouldn't make you as good as BK?
Sep 15th 2021
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                     No, but it would make things way more interesting.
Sep 15th 2021
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He’s not calling any shots at this point, he’s basically a figurehea...
Sep 14th 2021
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3 total 4th quarter shots in a 7 game series...Lol
Sep 13th 2021
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They're gonna keep him and fine him every day he doesn't show.
Sep 16th 2021
37
makes sense to me. Ben Simmons getting his wish is tied to his value
Sep 16th 2021
38
He can get traded without playing next year...
Sep 16th 2021
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Send his ass to Sac for Fox
Sep 16th 2021
40
As they should. Ben’s in no place to be calling the shots.
Sep 16th 2021
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1. "All of Morey's leverage disappeared after the draft"
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It's one thing to trade for young assets when they're just numbers, but once teams have drafted players who think are going to shape their future, it becomes a lot more difficult.

Furthermore, Morey approaching teams and asking for the moon before the draft and after the org was throwing under the bus wasn't a good look either. Neither was refusing to come down at any point.

Now the best option is to wait until the trade deadline.

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12. "But isn't Ben doing this just tanking his trade value even more?"
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Like they're trying to call his bluff, but it doesn't seem to be a bluff. I don't think he's going to play.

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13. "Ben certainly isn't helping his cause"
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Making the demand and digging in after the draft and after summer league doesn't seem like the best idea. Pretty everyone involved in this hasn't been helping their cause.

If I was a conspiracy guy, I'd say Klutch was doing this make it so the Lakers could get Simmons on the cheap, but I don't see how ANY trade with the Lakers would work.

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19. "Obviously I dont see AD/Bron/Russ being traded"
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(For a lot of different reasons)

But I don't think Simmons' value will ever be so low that Talen Horton Tucker is the centerpiece.

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2. "Klutch has really botched this Simmons thing."
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Ben got a max contract...flaws and all
Obviously, nobody is offering that value in return
and the response has been a trade demand and threat to sit out
...that math just doesn't add up IMO...
The sources for these stories feel like they're coming from Klutch/Paul, not Ben himself
Morey would get fried if he traded Ben for FIBA Patty and tacos... I'm not sure how this is on him?

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5. "Flaws and all is correct."
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Ben is not and has never been a Harden, KD, Bron, etc type talent so why are they expecting the moon for a guy they threw under the bus? Either he's worth a huge haul or he's not, but if he IS? Then he shouldn't be questioned as whether or not he can be the point guard on a championship team.

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6. "That's the dumbest part of this whole saga"
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Thu Sep-09-21 12:59 PM by bentagain

  

          

We haven't been out of the 2nd round with Ben at PG
Saying he's not a championship PG is just a fact.
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7. "Is he =/= can he be"
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9. "Doc didn't say can't, he said IDK"
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Thu Sep-09-21 01:05 PM by bentagain

  

          

Again, factual

He could try and prove us wrong... he's not choosing to do that=Morey's fault (c) you

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11. "And he shouldn't have said that."
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"Factual" or not, it was a very dumb response.

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3. "I don’t understand what Ben is doing, personally"
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Ben played like ass in the playoffs, so he wants out? For what? He hoping to go to Sacramento and put up meaningless numbers or something?

Same issues he’s having in Philly he’s going to have on any other real team until he starts shooting the ball.

  

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4. "I mean, the team/Doc sorta bailed on him."
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I get why he wants out, and I get that while he played like total shit - that was one playoff series, and that team was flawed. Should they have lost to the Hawks? No. But Ben became THE scapegoat. He's flawed as a player, but I understand why he wants out. He was probably unfairly deemed the single reason they lost - and then for Doc to question if he can be the PG on a championship team (mind you - the question wasn't "Can Ben be the guy on a contender"), I get it.

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8. "Again, you're contradicting yourself"
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The team gave him a max contract
=/= The team bailed on him
Stop.

You're a LAL's fan right?
One of the common themes from BB's time as HC was a lack of accountability
Jimmy said it
JRich said
even Tobias said it

Ben is being held accountable...and is deciding to take his ball and go home... literally

Just stop.

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10. "I'm not contradicting myself at all. "
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So they gave him a max contract MUST mean they didn't bail on him and make him the lone scapegoat for them losing to a lesser team. Sure. We'll go with that weird line of logic.

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21. "I agree with you, except for one point"
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No one in this scenario is coming off well. Given how savvy Morey, Doc, and even Embiid are with respect to their jobs and the media, it's a headscratcher why no one can get out of their own way.

I don't think Doc said the right thing. He made mistakes himself in that series. But I think at the moment he passive-aggressively went at Ben, he saw that all the coaching up and all the times he probably went out of his way to praise Ben had no real impact.

Yes, Ben was infamously bad this postseason but his unwillingness to show any commitment to expanding his offensive game has been a constant for years. His reputation as a talented player with a highly fragile ego is why Doc was so glowing in his recaps of Ben, even when Ben didn't quite deserve Doc's praise.

The management and coaching staff is all-new, but the discontent of the organization in Ben's lack of growth isn't. That could be why we look at the Sixers' desire to trade Ben seems new. In reality, the tide has been flowing in that direction for some time.

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14. "the thing that's bizarre to me"
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is that I think a simmons for CJ trade is something that should be workable on both sides

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17. "Seems like the best deal that'd actually be on the table for sure."
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CJ is a near-all star, and they could theoretically be swapped straight up (I imagine Philly would need a pick or two).

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22. "right. like sure you want Dame or beal but let's be real here"
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and on both sides it's so good. everything Simmons is bad at is the stuff portland doesn't need at all because Dame is that guy

and in philly CJ isn't getting boxed in by playing with someone who does most of the same stuff he does, but better

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23. "Do you think CJ makes the 6ers a championship team?"
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If the answer is no, then the right move is to wait and see if Dame is available at the trade deadline

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29. "yes, I think so. championship-caliber for sure"
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30. "I think CJ is a Tobias Harris level piece"
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Which is to say a fringe all star guy who fits with the team.

If Joel is healthy - yes, he makes them a contender.

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32. "I think the context of the fit matters. "
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I wonder what my lineup looks like with CJ instead of Ben. Seth Curry goes to the bench, and you start CJ, Danny Green, Tobias, Embiid, and... what, Shake Milton? Because to me, I don't think that's better than a, what, 4th seed in the East? Maybe 5th? In which case... is that a true contender? Especially considering what the top seeds in the West look like?

Plus, and more importantly, you're now in a spot where Curry, McCollum, and Maxey all more or less do the same thing at the same size to varying levels of efficacy... which just isn't great use of a roster. Not to mention, if you're even *entertaining* playing two of these players at once, then you're going to have a serious problem defending the perimeter. The efficacy of the defense is already going to dip considerably once you lose a Top 5 defender in the NBA like Ben.

Now, if they can make a deal where it's, say, Simmons and Maxey (who Paul seems to want out anyway also, so probably sucks long term for Philly, but fair enough) for CJ, Larry Nance, and 2-3 future firsts? Now you're looking at CJ, Green, Harris, Nance, Embiid with Curry and Milton first off the bench? While I'm still not necessarily convinced that's a true title contender, you at least know you're going to still have a top 3-4 defense in the NBA, and you'll have improved shooting on the floor, which means the offense has a decent shot to nudge into the top 10. I'd like that team's odds to win 50+ games.

But I'd have concerns about Ben for CJ straight up, due largely to fit.

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15. "Koby bet not trade for him."
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Sixers shouldn't even look at a Colin, Kevin, extras trade proposal.

Ben went about this the wrong way. Show up, SHOOT THE BALL, be aggressive, and silently request a trade. They just want him to be aggressive and shoot, that's it. Instead he wants out with his max contract.

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16. "Hot take incoming: waiting was/is probably the best move."
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I don't think Morey was going to be able to trade Simmons high. The whole league knew Simmons wanted out before Simmons went public with it. Morey was never going to get the sort of deal Simmons is worth before the season started.

Simmons is a 3x All-Star, 2x First-Team All-Defense, 1x All-NBA... before he turned 25. So yes, he's not the sort of transcendent AD/Harden/whatever guy today... but contextualize that:

- there are 32 active players in the NBA who've played in 3 or more NBA All-Star Games
- only 7 of those players are under 30 years old
- of those 7, only 3 also have multiple All-Defense honors

AND on top of that, he's signed for four more seasons! Like, Anthony Davis had one guaranteed year left. Harden had two guaranteed years left. Simmons has FOUR.

If you value youth (the league does), versatility (the league does), and the ability to play on both ends (the league... often does)? Then Simmons, even considering last year's playoff disaster, is one of the more valuable contracts in the league. Especially on a team looking to win now.

So even doing something like punting him off for future draft equity-- or even draft equity in this draft beforehand, unless it was a Top 3 pick-- just isn't something that helps a win-now team like the Sixers. Morey likely assesses Simmons ages 26 through 29 as a guy likely to make another 3-4 ASGs and another 4 All-Defense teams from 2022 to 2025. When you're a win-now team, you just aren't going to find that in the draft.

I think that's why the reported trade offer to the Warriors was so egregiously stacked-- because Morey (correctly) said, "well fuck it, if there's no win-now piece, then at least stack my team with ridiculous depth of young talent that'll really start to hit their stride before it's time to negotiate with Embiid again." The Warriors did the right thing by turning it down right away, because they're not pressed for a guy like Simmons with the current blend of old and young talent they have-- but I also think Morey's doing the right thing by asking for the moon if there's no win-now piece in the deal.

My last point: everyone *thinks* Morey is pressed to trade him before the season starts, so they're all going to lowball him. Yet because Simmons is under a 4-year deal, and Morey is incentivized to get something resembling an equitable return on value for Simmons (especially to keep Embiid happy), I don't really think Morey is as pressed to make a move as people may think. He can fine Simmons a mil and a half for skipping camp. He can fine him more for skipping games. Simmons can't really even do the Harden thing of coming in and tanking games with shitty play, because the Sixers can just... not play him. They won't be nearly as good as they'd be with a motivated Simmons, but they'd still be playoff good (injuries notwithstanding) and can dangle Simmons out there to teams before the deadline.

So they can afford to just cool their heels and wait for a team mid-season to get desperate. Other GMs and coaches will hit the hot seat before Morey and Rivers do. There's no doubt Philly is eyeballing the situations around Lillard and Beal, specifically, just biding their time, seeing if the teams aren't that good and if the stars get restless.

So I don't think Morey had any chance to sell high. And I don't really think he's lost all his leverage either. All he's got to do is show his willingness to not play Simmons.

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18. "This all makes sense. "
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That said, and not that star trade demands are at all uncommon or foreign, this one kinda feels different in so much as Ben seems wired different than most AND there's this element of seemingly pinning a series loss on him. You don't see THAT a ton, really. So I guess him skipping camp and games really only goes to lessen his value even more...which is advantageous only to Ben.

Anyway, weird scenario. And you could be right. But it's very weird to see the Philly fans react to all this.

With all THAT said...I remember asking a Philly fan friend about that hypothetical Harden/Simmons trade from last season and he couldn't have said yes faster, which still makes me laugh because...obviously.

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20. "My only thing is this:"
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>So I guess him skipping camp and games
>really only goes to lessen his value even more...which is
>advantageous only to Ben.

... does this lessen his value *that* much?

I mean, yes, there's the Malcontent label... but he's already got that anyway. I don't really know if the Malcontent label gets much worse if he spends time out. It'd potentially only get worse if he *did* choose to play and did the Harden "I'm playing like an asshole to force your hand" thing. And I don't really see that happening. Especially since the Sixers don't really need to play him.

The only scenario I see where Simmons's value actually dips is if the Sixers are as good or better without him. Two things about that: 1) I don't think that's very likely. 2) If that does happen, it's frankly even *more* incentive for Morey to not rush a deal. If they can still be Top 3 in the East good without Simmons, then why trade him for pennies on the dollar?

It's just such a singularly strange scenario, one where I can't recall having seen anything quite like it before. There's just such a clear incentive for both parties to dig in their heels and not give an inch. Which is why I truly believe the Sixers' best course is to wait and see what other teams need. Simmons may not give an inch, and Morey may not give an inch, but other teams will definitely give several inches before the deadline.

(Watch, I've written all this and he'll be traded for a bag of dildos in the next 7 days, lol.)

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36. "i agree...his value was shit after that series."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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24. "It's also interesting that Elton Brand doesn't get fried...he is the GM"
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been the GM
Morey was brought in to clean up his mess
and immediately put in Herculean effort getting rid of the absurd Tito experiment and contract
...I'd put money on Morey figuring this out...

Real question, why isn't this Brand's L?

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25. "I honestly forgot he was there. "
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27. "RE: I honestly forgot he was there. "
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28. "....and what's your point?"
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Add him onto the pile.

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33. "That you don't know what you're talking about"
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See reply 30
...CJ wouldn't make us better than BK...
C'mon son, you're just talking nonsense now.


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Ryan M
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34. "You know who else wouldn't make you as good as BK?"
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Dame Lillard.

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35. "No, but it would make things way more interesting."
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Forcing Blake to guard Embiid and Kyrie to guard Dame... at least makes the potential offensive battle interesting. And you've gotta factor in the possibility that, if they did bring in Dame, Philly suddenly becomes far more attractive to some of the veterans that are available or will become available around the deadline.

Philly's problem against Brooklyn and Milwaukee is that they have absolutely no one to even pretend to guard Durant and Giannis (once they trade Simmons). And, if they got Dame, I think Morey would be savvy enough to look to immediately swap Tobias Harris for someone better to try to deal with that issue-- or at least stack up a potent enough perimeter offense that it could give Milwaukee and Brooklyn a real fight (since no one can guard Durant or Giannis anyway, really).

Dame and Embiid together make them at *least* the three seed. I think that team's better than Miami and Atlanta right away. Whereas, like I said above, I think a deal for CJ bumps them down to 4 seed at best, more realistically 5 seed (unless it's CJ and the right pieces).

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31. "He’s not calling any shots at this point, he’s basically a figurehea..."
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26. "3 total 4th quarter shots in a 7 game series...Lol"
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I wonder what Morey says when GMs mention that and laugh at his trade demands.




>For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press
>conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a
>layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey
>has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade.
>You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and
>somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for
>Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to
>increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go
>out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

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37. "They're gonna keep him and fine him every day he doesn't show."
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Called this above, really, lol. People thought the Sixers had no leverage... but if you're cool with sitting on a player if need be, then you're not under as much pressure as people think.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/nba-trade-news-2021-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-latest-updates-trades-stay-in-philly-training-camp-start-date/news-story/074db12dea58f23e54169b984555dc96

Philadelphia has reportedly made a shock U-turn on its stance on wantaway point guard Ben Simmons and now expect him to play in the blue and white for the 2021/22 season.

According to reporter Tom Moore of the Bucks County Courier Times in Philadelphia, the Sixers are no longer planning on making a deal for the 25-year-old and have accepted that they will not receive what they want for him.

He added that the Sixers are not willing to accept a deal centred around future draft picks and see themselves drop back in the standings and there is no viable offer on the table to secure a genuine All-Star as his replacement.

He claimed that Philly has been unable to secure any of the names on its list of 5-10 replacements so will stick with Simmons.

It has been widely reported how Simmons is desperate to get out of Philadelphia and that he is willing to refuse to attend preseason training camp or play another game for the Sixers in order to push a trade through.

His preference is to head to California, ideally with one of the Lakers, Clippers or Warriors, although no offers have been forthcoming.

Moore added in his report that the Sixers believe that once Simmons is aware he is no longer on the trade table, he will have to show up and they plan to fine him for every day he doesn’t attend training camp, preseason and games, which could be around $308k-a-day.

He wrote: “NBA source: The Sixers ‘are expecting Ben Simmons to play in 2020-21. The expectation is they will. It’s bumpy right now and the team expects it to get better’.

“The 76ers don’t plan on making a deal that would drop them back in the standings and not get viable offers.

“More from NBA source: ‘Eventually he’s going to show up. Sixers will go from there’. They apparently plan to fine Simmons if he doesn’t attend 2021-22 camp, preseason and so on. Don’t want to trade for draft picks and try to convert to players. Can’t get any of 5-10 NBA guys they like.”

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38. "makes sense to me. Ben Simmons getting his wish is tied to his value"
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he wants to get traded, then show how valuable he is.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "He can get traded without playing next year..."
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... but it won't be to any playoff contender. Basically zero chance. He can get traded at the deadline to Minnesota or Washington or Sacramento or some team with no hope looking for a shake-up. He won't want to do that... but if he doesn't play, he won't have many options.

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40. "Send his ass to Sac for Fox"
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Simmons gets to go put up numbers on a perennial 30-52 team, and Fox can go be a dog in Philly.

The b-ball universe needs this to happen.

  

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41. "As they should. Ben’s in no place to be calling the shots. "
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He can sit out as long as he wants. It’ll only hurt both sides. Sixers have a right to hold out for a deal that’s better than a bag of dildos. Simmons did just sign a max extension 2 year ago and is making close to $40 million a year. That’s a lot for a guy coming off a historically awful postseason.

I say all this as someone who’s generally much higher on Simmons than most Sixers fans. I wish it could work out in Philly, but I’d be happy to see him shine elsewhere.

  

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