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Ryan M
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"Morey has really botched this Simmons thing, hasn’t he?"


  

          

For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade. You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

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All of Morey's leverage disappeared after the draft
Sep 09th 2021
1
But isn't Ben doing this just tanking his trade value even more?
Sep 09th 2021
12
      Ben certainly isn't helping his cause
Sep 09th 2021
13
           Obviously I dont see AD/Bron/Russ being traded
Sep 09th 2021
19
Klutch has really botched this Simmons thing.
Sep 09th 2021
2
Flaws and all is correct.
Sep 09th 2021
5
      That's the dumbest part of this whole saga
Sep 09th 2021
6
           Is he =/= can he be
Sep 09th 2021
7
                Doc didn't say can't, he said IDK
Sep 09th 2021
9
                     And he shouldn't have said that.
Sep 09th 2021
11
I don’t understand what Ben is doing, personally
Sep 09th 2021
3
I mean, the team/Doc sorta bailed on him.
Sep 09th 2021
4
      Again, you're contradicting yourself
Sep 09th 2021
8
      I'm not contradicting myself at all.
Sep 09th 2021
10
      I agree with you, except for one point
Sep 09th 2021
21
the thing that's bizarre to me
Sep 09th 2021
14
Seems like the best deal that'd actually be on the table for sure.
Sep 09th 2021
17
right. like sure you want Dame or beal but let's be real here
Sep 12th 2021
22
      Do you think CJ makes the 6ers a championship team?
Sep 13th 2021
23
           yes, I think so. championship-caliber for sure
Sep 14th 2021
29
                I think CJ is a Tobias Harris level piece
Sep 14th 2021
30
                     I think the context of the fit matters.
Sep 14th 2021
32
                          *shrug* if that's how you feel
Sep 18th 2021
44
                               I mean, I think the options are pretty clear.
Sep 18th 2021
45
                                    what would any of those deals do for Portland?
Sep 19th 2021
46
                                    I don't think a trade would be for just CJ
Sep 19th 2021
47
                                         Right, the order of preference is pretty clear.
Sep 20th 2021
49
Chauncey ain't trading for a non-shooting ass PG
Sep 20th 2021
48
      That's the thing imo-- Simmons shouldn't be used as the PG.
Sep 20th 2021
50
      Game 7 Ben Simmons had 13 assists and 8 rebounds.
Oct 19th 2021
159
Koby bet not trade for him.
Sep 09th 2021
15
Hot take incoming: waiting was/is probably the best move.
Sep 09th 2021
16
This all makes sense.
Sep 09th 2021
18
My only thing is this:
Sep 09th 2021
20
i agree...his value was shit after that series.
Sep 15th 2021
36
It's also interesting that Elton Brand doesn't get fried...he is the GM
Sep 13th 2021
24
I honestly forgot he was there.
Sep 13th 2021
25
RE: I honestly forgot he was there.
Sep 14th 2021
27
      ....and what's your point?
Sep 14th 2021
28
           That you don't know what you're talking about
Sep 15th 2021
33
                You know who else wouldn't make you as good as BK?
Sep 15th 2021
34
                     No, but it would make things way more interesting.
Sep 15th 2021
35
He’s not calling any shots at this point, he’s basically a figurehea...
Sep 14th 2021
31
3 total 4th quarter shots in a 7 game series...Lol
Sep 13th 2021
26
They're gonna keep him and fine him every day he doesn't show.
Sep 16th 2021
37
makes sense to me. Ben Simmons getting his wish is tied to his value
Sep 16th 2021
38
He can get traded without playing next year...
Sep 16th 2021
39
Send his ass to Sac for Fox
Sep 16th 2021
40
As they should. Ben’s in no place to be calling the shots.
Sep 16th 2021
41
Not a bad haul after all—- *edit I got faked*
Sep 17th 2021
42
LeBron James throws Ben Simmons under the bus with latest tweet
Sep 18th 2021
43
Lmao. What was the fake?
Sep 21st 2021
53
      A fake trade to the Spurs.
Sep 21st 2021
54
Ben to 6ers: "I'm not reporting, I'm never playing for Philly again."
Sep 21st 2021
51
"You're not good enough at your job, want to get better? We'll help"
Sep 21st 2021
52
Yeah I definitely think Doc fumbled that situation...
Sep 21st 2021
55
don't know if they'll be worse until we know what they get in return
Sep 21st 2021
56
unless they're getting a Dame or a Beal which they probably won't...
Sep 22nd 2021
71
      All the more reason to wait, really.
Sep 22nd 2021
74
What's baffling is that it was an unforced error.
Sep 21st 2021
57
      So if Doc said the opposite, what does that change?
Sep 21st 2021
58
           Let's not act like it was a disastrous postseason though.
Sep 21st 2021
59
                I think you're both right.
Sep 21st 2021
61
                I was specifically referring to the Hawks series. He put up decent
Sep 21st 2021
64
I really don’t fathom the issue with trading Ben Simmons.
Sep 21st 2021
60
they can trade him for Brogdon. That would be a level up for the Sixers
Sep 21st 2021
62
Actually that makes a ton of sense!
Sep 21st 2021
63
Money doesn't come close to matching.
Sep 21st 2021
66
Damn, that would be a good fit.
Sep 22nd 2021
70
RE: I really don’t fathom the issue with trading Ben Simmons.
Sep 21st 2021
65
      While Wiggins was certainly improved last season...
Sep 21st 2021
67
      Also, Wiggins has problems of his own cuz he refuses the vaccine, lol.
Sep 22nd 2021
93
      Wiggins guarded the opposing team’s best offensive player
Sep 21st 2021
68
           so? did he stop anybody?
Sep 22nd 2021
72
                Over 3 games against Kawhi Leonard
Sep 22nd 2021
73
                     are you making up stats?
Sep 22nd 2021
76
                          Good lord, dude. You posted a total game log. LoL
Sep 22nd 2021
77
A 33 million dollar playoff liability. borderline useless in April/May
Sep 21st 2021
69
he's a great player that had a bad playoff series, I would hardly call a...
Sep 22nd 2021
75
he doesn't score -at all- , he's like a Max deal PJ Tucker
Sep 22nd 2021
79
lol cmon, that's obviously not true.
Sep 22nd 2021
81
if the playoffs didn't feature a completely different brand of basketbal...
Sep 22nd 2021
88
      How many teams are contenders, though?
Sep 22nd 2021
89
           i don't disagree with any of this. the kings seem like a good destinatio...
Sep 22nd 2021
91
100% ,hes perfect for non playoff teams
Sep 22nd 2021
83
      I agree. Which I think is precisely why Morey is right to wait.
Sep 22nd 2021
85
           Daaron Fox on the Sixers would be scary nm
Sep 22nd 2021
90
                We all need this
Sep 22nd 2021
92
                The Sixers were a top 3 defensive team last year, they will be far from....
Sep 23rd 2021
98
                     Morey doesn’t give a fuck about defense,
Sep 23rd 2021
101
                          When you're a Top 2 offense in the league, it matters less, lol.
Sep 23rd 2021
102
                          No matter who they get in return, theyre droppign defensively
Sep 25th 2021
116
                          If you're built to be a defensive team with defensive minded personnel.....
Sep 24th 2021
103
                               Sacramento says "no ty, we're good. How about Buddy tho?" lol
Sep 25th 2021
115
doc on first take practically begging ben to come back.
Sep 22nd 2021
78
Best Oscar performance I have ever witnessed.
Sep 22nd 2021
80
Anyone here defending Simmons....
Sep 22nd 2021
82
Yeah this is a no brainer
Sep 22nd 2021
84
I don't think anyone's defending Simmons's decision.
Sep 22nd 2021
86
standard messageboard boilerplate deflection here
Sep 22nd 2021
87
You can say he’s limited.
Sep 23rd 2021
94
      It's not about how he's "rated"
Sep 23rd 2021
97
it's not my money, idgaf
Sep 23rd 2021
95
Yeah. Under no circumstance should your PG be in the "hack-a" group
Sep 23rd 2021
96
nobody's defending him but people trying to act like he's complete trash...
Sep 23rd 2021
99
Simmons treated himself like trash in that last series.. lol
Sep 24th 2021
107
      RE: Simmons treated himself like trash in that last series.. lol
Sep 24th 2021
110
Didn’t they sign other players because he can't shoot....?
Oct 19th 2021
154
From top to bottom, it seems as if everyone has botched this to be hones...
Sep 23rd 2021
100
Philly is not for the weak. If you go there you better have tough skin
Sep 24th 2021
104
Doc stays fucking up (swipe)
Sep 24th 2021
105
I think its a hilarious and perfect comparison
Sep 24th 2021
106
      Perhaps Doc should focus on getting value for a player
Sep 24th 2021
108
      So Doc is supposed to lie?
Sep 24th 2021
109
           Nice of you to show up.
Sep 24th 2021
112
                You must have bet the farm on Simmons
Oct 01st 2021
120
                     ?
Oct 01st 2021
123
                          feels like you are in your feels about Simmons
Oct 11th 2021
128
                               You are making no sense.
Oct 19th 2021
166
      RE: I think its a hilarious and perfect comparison
Sep 24th 2021
111
           Bash Philly as usual?
Sep 24th 2021
113
                Get out your feelings homie
Sep 25th 2021
114
Report: Sixers not paying Ben Simmons $8.25 million check owed to him
Oct 01st 2021
117
As I said in Reply 16, this was always the most logical path.
Oct 01st 2021
118
I'm a Knicks fan, not a Sixers or Ben Simmons fan.
Oct 01st 2021
119
Imagine not hooping for $8 million because your feelings are hurt....
Oct 01st 2021
121
Man he is digging in.
Oct 01st 2021
122
This is why I hated the Harden trade so much last year. Traditionally...
Oct 01st 2021
124
I feel like Kawhi initially going to the Clippers is what started this
Oct 01st 2021
125
IIRC, Harden had two years left… and Ben has *four.*
Oct 02nd 2021
126
C'mon Ben
Oct 11th 2021
127
lol yep. this is why you wait!
Oct 11th 2021
129
This guy is going to get booed soooooo much
Oct 11th 2021
130
yup
Oct 11th 2021
131
Eh. I'd rather see him cave than die on the sunk cost hill
Oct 12th 2021
132
hes back.
Oct 12th 2021
133
Something is seriously wrong with dude
Oct 12th 2021
134
RE: Something is seriously wrong with dude
Oct 12th 2021
135
He's also only 25.
Oct 12th 2021
136
no really strong vets on the team outside of maybe a Danny Green...
Oct 12th 2021
137
RE: if and when things go awry
Oct 12th 2021
139
RE: if and when things go awry
Oct 12th 2021
141
"He's also only 25."
Oct 12th 2021
140
      25 with 4 years and 100+ mill left on his contract
Oct 12th 2021
143
      I have no issues with him being held accountable
Oct 12th 2021
144
its called entitlement.
Oct 12th 2021
138
Nah this is spoiled brat shit
Oct 12th 2021
145
You were correct and I was wrong.
Oct 22nd 2021
191
Guess waiting was the right call.
Oct 12th 2021
142
This dude tried to covid his way out of game 7
Oct 15th 2021
146
Simmons suspended for season opener
Oct 19th 2021
147
Ben dribbled during a huddle
Oct 19th 2021
148
I'm sure other team presidents and owners are quietly pushing Morey...
Oct 19th 2021
149
This definitely plays a role, as does Philly's relationship with Klutch.
Oct 19th 2021
150
In baseball and basketball, star players always win.
Oct 19th 2021
151
      if he has a personality he can make it in TV
Oct 19th 2021
156
           Randy Moss wasn’t a problem in this way.
Oct 19th 2021
158
                I’m saying.. Simmons is having his moment
Oct 19th 2021
161
                     I agree with this.
Oct 19th 2021
167
literally no one likes this guy right now. and it's impossible to feel
Oct 19th 2021
152
This here.....
Oct 19th 2021
153
Doesn’t matter. Sixers crested this entire situation.
Oct 19th 2021
155
100% on Philly? Come On Man (c) Rex
Oct 19th 2021
169
this is what I saw at LSU. Welp, he'll be playing in China.
Oct 19th 2021
157
Crazy thing is... he *sucked* on defense at LSU.
Oct 19th 2021
163
RE: literally no one likes this guy right now. and it's impossible to fe...
Oct 19th 2021
160
I think he has a mental block on his shot
Oct 19th 2021
162
      You'd think this is true...
Oct 19th 2021
165
Rich Paul probably already got his commission...
Oct 19th 2021
171
i dont care about that man (c) embiid lol
Oct 19th 2021
164
lmao @ that man (c)
Oct 19th 2021
168
If I was Ben Simmons
Oct 19th 2021
170
Morey: "People should buckle in, this is going to go a long time."
Oct 21st 2021
172
It’s a player’s league.
Oct 21st 2021
173
Nah
Oct 21st 2021
175
      Harden had 2 left, but the point still remains.
Oct 21st 2021
176
      thats right
Oct 21st 2021
179
      not mention harden passed up big money to go to a *better* team
Oct 21st 2021
181
      How long have you been watching basketball?
Oct 21st 2021
177
           RE: How long have you been watching basketball?
Oct 21st 2021
178
           Ben is coming off the most shittiest series ever for a player of his cal...
Oct 22nd 2021
182
I feel morey
Oct 21st 2021
174
if thats true then they need to sit him and get him away from the team.
Oct 21st 2021
180
Simmons: "My back is tight"
Oct 22nd 2021
183
Its not just his back that’s tight
Oct 22nd 2021
187
RE: Simmons: "My back is tight"
Oct 22nd 2021
188
Woj reporting Ben met with the team…
Oct 22nd 2021
184
yeah, he's gonna play eventually.
Oct 22nd 2021
185
He doesn’t wasn’t to be there. And I can see him
Oct 22nd 2021
190
Man they gonna boo you whenever you come back
Oct 22nd 2021
186
Everything he's done since Game 7 has lessened his value
Oct 22nd 2021
189
Ben Simmons needs to get a real agent after all this is over
Oct 22nd 2021
192
he's not mentally ready...
Oct 22nd 2021
193
Hard to accept the mental health angle given...everything.
Oct 22nd 2021
194
Right. We see what's going on here.
Oct 22nd 2021
195
its a total lie. this is so they cant fine him.
Oct 22nd 2021
196
jay williams said his 'sources' told him ben now wants to play
Oct 22nd 2021
197
Usually players try to leave shit teams
Oct 22nd 2021
198
its entirely about hurt feelings.
Oct 22nd 2021
199
Shams saying the Celtics have engaged Philly in Simmons…
Nov 08th 2021
200
Hey, Marcus Smart said he wants guys who pass more.
Nov 08th 2021
201
Lol…he would not have to worry about Ben settling for the jumper
Nov 08th 2021
204
I’m pissed just at the prospect of this trade
Nov 09th 2021
208
RE: Shams saying the Celtics have engaged Philly in Simmons…
Nov 08th 2021
202
No way the Celtics trade Brown for Simmons. Funny sayin this now
Nov 08th 2021
203
I'm surprised Toronto hasn't offered a trade around Van Fleet.
Nov 08th 2021
205
am I nuts? I'd way rather have CJ and stuff than Van Vleet
Nov 08th 2021
206
      Depends on the stuff, of course…
Nov 08th 2021
207
Nah, he’s doing GREAT on this (link)
Jan 12th 2022
209
that was brutal..nm
Jan 13th 2022
210
      He’s arguably the worst contract in the league
Jan 13th 2022
211
Yesterday's prices are not today's prices
Jan 14th 2022
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Washington isn’t bottoming out. They just got Harrell back
Jan 14th 2022
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Have you apologized to Ja Morant yet?
Jan 14th 2022
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      I don’t need to apologize to Ja.
Jan 15th 2022
225
This has been clear since the beginning.
Jan 15th 2022
224
Morey has really messed this up....seriously.
Jan 14th 2022
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RE: Morey has really messed this up....seriously.
Jan 14th 2022
215
Do you not keep up with the standings?
Jan 14th 2022
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      RE: Do you not keep up with the standings?
Jan 14th 2022
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           RE: Do you not keep up with the standings?
Jan 14th 2022
220
                Trashing the Lakers doesn't say shit lmao
Jan 14th 2022
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                     It doesn’t matter. They play hard.
Jan 14th 2022
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I think Morey is taking the longview on this
Jan 14th 2022
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      The longer he waits the more Simmons loses value.
Jan 14th 2022
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I said what I said. Morey is wasting an MVP level Embiid year.
Jan 24th 2022
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I've never been a defender of Morey but he's playing his cards and...
Jan 24th 2022
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Sauces…Philly content to wait…
Jan 24th 2022
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LMAO!!! DEM BREADSTICKS!!!
Jan 24th 2022
233
I don't disagree with all that
Jan 24th 2022
229
Rich Paul looks amateurish as hell in all this
Jan 24th 2022
230
      I don't disagree but at the end of the day Simmons is a grown ass man...
Jan 24th 2022
231
Far better to waste one year than the rest of Embiid's contract.
Jan 24th 2022
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1. "All of Morey's leverage disappeared after the draft"
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It's one thing to trade for young assets when they're just numbers, but once teams have drafted players who think are going to shape their future, it becomes a lot more difficult.

Furthermore, Morey approaching teams and asking for the moon before the draft and after the org was throwing under the bus wasn't a good look either. Neither was refusing to come down at any point.

Now the best option is to wait until the trade deadline.

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12. "But isn't Ben doing this just tanking his trade value even more?"
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Like they're trying to call his bluff, but it doesn't seem to be a bluff. I don't think he's going to play.

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13. "Ben certainly isn't helping his cause"
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Making the demand and digging in after the draft and after summer league doesn't seem like the best idea. Pretty everyone involved in this hasn't been helping their cause.

If I was a conspiracy guy, I'd say Klutch was doing this make it so the Lakers could get Simmons on the cheap, but I don't see how ANY trade with the Lakers would work.

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Ryan M
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19. "Obviously I dont see AD/Bron/Russ being traded"
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(For a lot of different reasons)

But I don't think Simmons' value will ever be so low that Talen Horton Tucker is the centerpiece.

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2. "Klutch has really botched this Simmons thing."
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Ben got a max contract...flaws and all
Obviously, nobody is offering that value in return
and the response has been a trade demand and threat to sit out
...that math just doesn't add up IMO...
The sources for these stories feel like they're coming from Klutch/Paul, not Ben himself
Morey would get fried if he traded Ben for FIBA Patty and tacos... I'm not sure how this is on him?

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5. "Flaws and all is correct."
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Ben is not and has never been a Harden, KD, Bron, etc type talent so why are they expecting the moon for a guy they threw under the bus? Either he's worth a huge haul or he's not, but if he IS? Then he shouldn't be questioned as whether or not he can be the point guard on a championship team.

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6. "That's the dumbest part of this whole saga"
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Thu Sep-09-21 12:59 PM by bentagain

  

          

We haven't been out of the 2nd round with Ben at PG
Saying he's not a championship PG is just a fact.
Bye

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7. "Is he =/= can he be"
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9. "Doc didn't say can't, he said IDK"
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Thu Sep-09-21 01:05 PM by bentagain

  

          

Again, factual

He could try and prove us wrong... he's not choosing to do that=Morey's fault (c) you

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11. "And he shouldn't have said that."
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"Factual" or not, it was a very dumb response.

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3. "I don’t understand what Ben is doing, personally"
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Ben played like ass in the playoffs, so he wants out? For what? He hoping to go to Sacramento and put up meaningless numbers or something?

Same issues he’s having in Philly he’s going to have on any other real team until he starts shooting the ball.

  

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4. "I mean, the team/Doc sorta bailed on him."
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I get why he wants out, and I get that while he played like total shit - that was one playoff series, and that team was flawed. Should they have lost to the Hawks? No. But Ben became THE scapegoat. He's flawed as a player, but I understand why he wants out. He was probably unfairly deemed the single reason they lost - and then for Doc to question if he can be the PG on a championship team (mind you - the question wasn't "Can Ben be the guy on a contender"), I get it.

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8. "Again, you're contradicting yourself"
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Thu Sep-09-21 01:03 PM by bentagain

  

          

The team gave him a max contract
=/= The team bailed on him
Stop.

You're a LAL's fan right?
One of the common themes from BB's time as HC was a lack of accountability
Jimmy said it
JRich said
even Tobias said it

Ben is being held accountable...and is deciding to take his ball and go home... literally

Just stop.

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10. "I'm not contradicting myself at all. "
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So they gave him a max contract MUST mean they didn't bail on him and make him the lone scapegoat for them losing to a lesser team. Sure. We'll go with that weird line of logic.

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21. "I agree with you, except for one point"
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No one in this scenario is coming off well. Given how savvy Morey, Doc, and even Embiid are with respect to their jobs and the media, it's a headscratcher why no one can get out of their own way.

I don't think Doc said the right thing. He made mistakes himself in that series. But I think at the moment he passive-aggressively went at Ben, he saw that all the coaching up and all the times he probably went out of his way to praise Ben had no real impact.

Yes, Ben was infamously bad this postseason but his unwillingness to show any commitment to expanding his offensive game has been a constant for years. His reputation as a talented player with a highly fragile ego is why Doc was so glowing in his recaps of Ben, even when Ben didn't quite deserve Doc's praise.

The management and coaching staff is all-new, but the discontent of the organization in Ben's lack of growth isn't. That could be why we look at the Sixers' desire to trade Ben seems new. In reality, the tide has been flowing in that direction for some time.

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14. "the thing that's bizarre to me"
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is that I think a simmons for CJ trade is something that should be workable on both sides

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17. "Seems like the best deal that'd actually be on the table for sure."
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CJ is a near-all star, and they could theoretically be swapped straight up (I imagine Philly would need a pick or two).

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22. "right. like sure you want Dame or beal but let's be real here"
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and on both sides it's so good. everything Simmons is bad at is the stuff portland doesn't need at all because Dame is that guy

and in philly CJ isn't getting boxed in by playing with someone who does most of the same stuff he does, but better

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23. "Do you think CJ makes the 6ers a championship team?"
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If the answer is no, then the right move is to wait and see if Dame is available at the trade deadline

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29. "yes, I think so. championship-caliber for sure"
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30. "I think CJ is a Tobias Harris level piece"
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Which is to say a fringe all star guy who fits with the team.

If Joel is healthy - yes, he makes them a contender.

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32. "I think the context of the fit matters. "
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I wonder what my lineup looks like with CJ instead of Ben. Seth Curry goes to the bench, and you start CJ, Danny Green, Tobias, Embiid, and... what, Shake Milton? Because to me, I don't think that's better than a, what, 4th seed in the East? Maybe 5th? In which case... is that a true contender? Especially considering what the top seeds in the West look like?

Plus, and more importantly, you're now in a spot where Curry, McCollum, and Maxey all more or less do the same thing at the same size to varying levels of efficacy... which just isn't great use of a roster. Not to mention, if you're even *entertaining* playing two of these players at once, then you're going to have a serious problem defending the perimeter. The efficacy of the defense is already going to dip considerably once you lose a Top 5 defender in the NBA like Ben.

Now, if they can make a deal where it's, say, Simmons and Maxey (who Paul seems to want out anyway also, so probably sucks long term for Philly, but fair enough) for CJ, Larry Nance, and 2-3 future firsts? Now you're looking at CJ, Green, Harris, Nance, Embiid with Curry and Milton first off the bench? While I'm still not necessarily convinced that's a true title contender, you at least know you're going to still have a top 3-4 defense in the NBA, and you'll have improved shooting on the floor, which means the offense has a decent shot to nudge into the top 10. I'd like that team's odds to win 50+ games.

But I'd have concerns about Ben for CJ straight up, due largely to fit.

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44. "*shrug* if that's how you feel"
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idk what you're looking for that will fix that team

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45. "I mean, I think the options are pretty clear."
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If we're talking a Philly-Portland trade.

1. Trade Ben for Dame, straight up. Or Ben and a pick or two for Dame. But essentially asset for asset, right today.
2. Trade Ben and an asset or two for CJ, Nance, and maybe another asset.
3. Trade Ben for CJ, straight up. Or for CJ and a pick. But again, we're talking asset for asset right today.

I think the top two trades put them in contention for Top 3 in the East, and certainly in a nice spot if BK or MIL suffers an injury.

I think the bottom trade makes them around 5th in the East, which still keeps true contention pretty comfortably out of reach.

I just don't think adding *just* CJ when you have Seth and Maxey does a lot in terms of maximizing your roster. Because then 3 of your best 5 players are all, in terms of skills, weaknesses, and size, identical.

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46. "what would any of those deals do for Portland?"
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47. "I don't think a trade would be for just CJ"
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but I don't think Dame is actually available, maybe I'll be wrong in the future but we'll have to wait,


I'm not the GM of the 76ers or even a fan of the tean, but selfishly I'd rather see simmons and dame together than dame and embiid together

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49. "Right, the order of preference is pretty clear."
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Dame and Embiid >> CJ, pieces, and Embiid >>>>>>>>>>> CJ and Embiid

As for the Blazers, they don't have many choices. If they don't start the year looking like a playoff team (and I suspect they won't), then they have two choices: 1) make a big splashy move to make the team better and keep Dame happy, or 2) trade Dame for the best asset package you can muster.

And, to be clear, if they can get Simmons for CJ, even for CJ and a piece, I do think it immediately makes the Blazers better. Especially since I don't think that'd be the last move they make. They just need defensive versatility and ball movement so desperately, and Simmons, whatever you think of him, is elite at both.

One can ask the question "but what if Ben isn't motivated and pouts and refuses to play well" or whatever. And I think that's a fair enough question... but I assume that playing with an elite guard like Dame would appeal to him. The biggest problem Ben has is that the only elite player on his current team takes up the space inside that Ben needs in order to be any kind of offensive threat today. Dame spaces the floor. Ben and Dame could be a really lethal pairing in theory. (But again, anyone who says "but we don't know if Ben will try!"-- I wouldn't counter that point. It's a totally fair point. But I think, for a Portland team that really needs to shake things up, it's worth the gamble imo.)

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48. "Chauncey ain't trading for a non-shooting ass PG"
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WTF is Mr. Big Shot gonna do with Mr. No Shot.

  

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50. "That's the thing imo-- Simmons shouldn't be used as the PG."
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He can playmake, in the same way that Draymond does. But he probably shouldn't be a guy used outside the perimeter making plays. It's just not the way to extract the most value out of his skill set, because defenders will straight sag off him. If you put him at the elbow or in some pick-and-roll action, and use him instead as an elite-passing forward alongside an elite perimeter combo guard (much like Draymond has!), then the pairing makes total sense, and the value of both players will be maximized.

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159. "Game 7 Ben Simmons had 13 assists and 8 rebounds. "
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That's valuable on any team.

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15. "Koby bet not trade for him."
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Sixers shouldn't even look at a Colin, Kevin, extras trade proposal.

Ben went about this the wrong way. Show up, SHOOT THE BALL, be aggressive, and silently request a trade. They just want him to be aggressive and shoot, that's it. Instead he wants out with his max contract.

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16. "Hot take incoming: waiting was/is probably the best move."
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I don't think Morey was going to be able to trade Simmons high. The whole league knew Simmons wanted out before Simmons went public with it. Morey was never going to get the sort of deal Simmons is worth before the season started.

Simmons is a 3x All-Star, 2x First-Team All-Defense, 1x All-NBA... before he turned 25. So yes, he's not the sort of transcendent AD/Harden/whatever guy today... but contextualize that:

- there are 32 active players in the NBA who've played in 3 or more NBA All-Star Games
- only 7 of those players are under 30 years old
- of those 7, only 3 also have multiple All-Defense honors

AND on top of that, he's signed for four more seasons! Like, Anthony Davis had one guaranteed year left. Harden had two guaranteed years left. Simmons has FOUR.

If you value youth (the league does), versatility (the league does), and the ability to play on both ends (the league... often does)? Then Simmons, even considering last year's playoff disaster, is one of the more valuable contracts in the league. Especially on a team looking to win now.

So even doing something like punting him off for future draft equity-- or even draft equity in this draft beforehand, unless it was a Top 3 pick-- just isn't something that helps a win-now team like the Sixers. Morey likely assesses Simmons ages 26 through 29 as a guy likely to make another 3-4 ASGs and another 4 All-Defense teams from 2022 to 2025. When you're a win-now team, you just aren't going to find that in the draft.

I think that's why the reported trade offer to the Warriors was so egregiously stacked-- because Morey (correctly) said, "well fuck it, if there's no win-now piece, then at least stack my team with ridiculous depth of young talent that'll really start to hit their stride before it's time to negotiate with Embiid again." The Warriors did the right thing by turning it down right away, because they're not pressed for a guy like Simmons with the current blend of old and young talent they have-- but I also think Morey's doing the right thing by asking for the moon if there's no win-now piece in the deal.

My last point: everyone *thinks* Morey is pressed to trade him before the season starts, so they're all going to lowball him. Yet because Simmons is under a 4-year deal, and Morey is incentivized to get something resembling an equitable return on value for Simmons (especially to keep Embiid happy), I don't really think Morey is as pressed to make a move as people may think. He can fine Simmons a mil and a half for skipping camp. He can fine him more for skipping games. Simmons can't really even do the Harden thing of coming in and tanking games with shitty play, because the Sixers can just... not play him. They won't be nearly as good as they'd be with a motivated Simmons, but they'd still be playoff good (injuries notwithstanding) and can dangle Simmons out there to teams before the deadline.

So they can afford to just cool their heels and wait for a team mid-season to get desperate. Other GMs and coaches will hit the hot seat before Morey and Rivers do. There's no doubt Philly is eyeballing the situations around Lillard and Beal, specifically, just biding their time, seeing if the teams aren't that good and if the stars get restless.

So I don't think Morey had any chance to sell high. And I don't really think he's lost all his leverage either. All he's got to do is show his willingness to not play Simmons.

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18. "This all makes sense. "
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That said, and not that star trade demands are at all uncommon or foreign, this one kinda feels different in so much as Ben seems wired different than most AND there's this element of seemingly pinning a series loss on him. You don't see THAT a ton, really. So I guess him skipping camp and games really only goes to lessen his value even more...which is advantageous only to Ben.

Anyway, weird scenario. And you could be right. But it's very weird to see the Philly fans react to all this.

With all THAT said...I remember asking a Philly fan friend about that hypothetical Harden/Simmons trade from last season and he couldn't have said yes faster, which still makes me laugh because...obviously.

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20. "My only thing is this:"
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>So I guess him skipping camp and games
>really only goes to lessen his value even more...which is
>advantageous only to Ben.

... does this lessen his value *that* much?

I mean, yes, there's the Malcontent label... but he's already got that anyway. I don't really know if the Malcontent label gets much worse if he spends time out. It'd potentially only get worse if he *did* choose to play and did the Harden "I'm playing like an asshole to force your hand" thing. And I don't really see that happening. Especially since the Sixers don't really need to play him.

The only scenario I see where Simmons's value actually dips is if the Sixers are as good or better without him. Two things about that: 1) I don't think that's very likely. 2) If that does happen, it's frankly even *more* incentive for Morey to not rush a deal. If they can still be Top 3 in the East good without Simmons, then why trade him for pennies on the dollar?

It's just such a singularly strange scenario, one where I can't recall having seen anything quite like it before. There's just such a clear incentive for both parties to dig in their heels and not give an inch. Which is why I truly believe the Sixers' best course is to wait and see what other teams need. Simmons may not give an inch, and Morey may not give an inch, but other teams will definitely give several inches before the deadline.

(Watch, I've written all this and he'll be traded for a bag of dildos in the next 7 days, lol.)

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36. "i agree...his value was shit after that series."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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24. "It's also interesting that Elton Brand doesn't get fried...he is the GM"
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been the GM
Morey was brought in to clean up his mess
and immediately put in Herculean effort getting rid of the absurd Tito experiment and contract
...I'd put money on Morey figuring this out...

Real question, why isn't this Brand's L?

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25. "I honestly forgot he was there. "
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27. "RE: I honestly forgot he was there. "
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28. "....and what's your point?"
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Add him onto the pile.

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33. "That you don't know what you're talking about"
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See reply 30
...CJ wouldn't make us better than BK...
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34. "You know who else wouldn't make you as good as BK?"
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Dame Lillard.

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35. "No, but it would make things way more interesting."
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Forcing Blake to guard Embiid and Kyrie to guard Dame... at least makes the potential offensive battle interesting. And you've gotta factor in the possibility that, if they did bring in Dame, Philly suddenly becomes far more attractive to some of the veterans that are available or will become available around the deadline.

Philly's problem against Brooklyn and Milwaukee is that they have absolutely no one to even pretend to guard Durant and Giannis (once they trade Simmons). And, if they got Dame, I think Morey would be savvy enough to look to immediately swap Tobias Harris for someone better to try to deal with that issue-- or at least stack up a potent enough perimeter offense that it could give Milwaukee and Brooklyn a real fight (since no one can guard Durant or Giannis anyway, really).

Dame and Embiid together make them at *least* the three seed. I think that team's better than Miami and Atlanta right away. Whereas, like I said above, I think a deal for CJ bumps them down to 4 seed at best, more realistically 5 seed (unless it's CJ and the right pieces).

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31. "He’s not calling any shots at this point, he’s basically a figurehea..."
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26. "3 total 4th quarter shots in a 7 game series...Lol"
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I wonder what Morey says when GMs mention that and laugh at his trade demands.




>For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press
>conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a
>layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey
>has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade.
>You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and
>somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for
>Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to
>increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go
>out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

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37. "They're gonna keep him and fine him every day he doesn't show."
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Called this above, really, lol. People thought the Sixers had no leverage... but if you're cool with sitting on a player if need be, then you're not under as much pressure as people think.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/nba-trade-news-2021-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-latest-updates-trades-stay-in-philly-training-camp-start-date/news-story/074db12dea58f23e54169b984555dc96

Philadelphia has reportedly made a shock U-turn on its stance on wantaway point guard Ben Simmons and now expect him to play in the blue and white for the 2021/22 season.

According to reporter Tom Moore of the Bucks County Courier Times in Philadelphia, the Sixers are no longer planning on making a deal for the 25-year-old and have accepted that they will not receive what they want for him.

He added that the Sixers are not willing to accept a deal centred around future draft picks and see themselves drop back in the standings and there is no viable offer on the table to secure a genuine All-Star as his replacement.

He claimed that Philly has been unable to secure any of the names on its list of 5-10 replacements so will stick with Simmons.

It has been widely reported how Simmons is desperate to get out of Philadelphia and that he is willing to refuse to attend preseason training camp or play another game for the Sixers in order to push a trade through.

His preference is to head to California, ideally with one of the Lakers, Clippers or Warriors, although no offers have been forthcoming.

Moore added in his report that the Sixers believe that once Simmons is aware he is no longer on the trade table, he will have to show up and they plan to fine him for every day he doesn’t attend training camp, preseason and games, which could be around $308k-a-day.

He wrote: “NBA source: The Sixers ‘are expecting Ben Simmons to play in 2020-21. The expectation is they will. It’s bumpy right now and the team expects it to get better’.

“The 76ers don’t plan on making a deal that would drop them back in the standings and not get viable offers.

“More from NBA source: ‘Eventually he’s going to show up. Sixers will go from there’. They apparently plan to fine Simmons if he doesn’t attend 2021-22 camp, preseason and so on. Don’t want to trade for draft picks and try to convert to players. Can’t get any of 5-10 NBA guys they like.”

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38. "makes sense to me. Ben Simmons getting his wish is tied to his value"
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he wants to get traded, then show how valuable he is.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "He can get traded without playing next year..."
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... but it won't be to any playoff contender. Basically zero chance. He can get traded at the deadline to Minnesota or Washington or Sacramento or some team with no hope looking for a shake-up. He won't want to do that... but if he doesn't play, he won't have many options.

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40. "Send his ass to Sac for Fox"
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Simmons gets to go put up numbers on a perennial 30-52 team, and Fox can go be a dog in Philly.

The b-ball universe needs this to happen.

  

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41. "As they should. Ben’s in no place to be calling the shots. "
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He can sit out as long as he wants. It’ll only hurt both sides. Sixers have a right to hold out for a deal that’s better than a bag of dildos. Simmons did just sign a max extension 2 year ago and is making close to $40 million a year. That’s a lot for a guy coming off a historically awful postseason.

I say all this as someone who’s generally much higher on Simmons than most Sixers fans. I wish it could work out in Philly, but I’d be happy to see him shine elsewhere.

  

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42. "Not a bad haul after all—- *edit I got faked*"
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https://twitter.com/shamscharaiia/status/1438871440577777674?s=21

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43. "LeBron James throws Ben Simmons under the bus with latest tweet"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kingjames/status/1439087731385126913?s=21

(c) click bait headline by some rando hack
The rando stories only ever relying on 'sources'... it's actually funny to sit back and watch it unfold really

Has no one realized yet...there hasn't been a statement from the 6ers FO or Ben Simmons...?
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53. "Lmao. What was the fake?"
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It's taken down now.

  

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54. "A fake trade to the Spurs."
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Said like Murray and Johnson, among others, IIRC. Obviously not a deal that would ever happen.

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51. "Ben to 6ers: "I'm not reporting, I'm never playing for Philly again.""
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We got ourselves a standoff!

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1440340920805691393?s=20

I suspect that this isn't news to Philly, and Philly knew this when they came out and publicly said they're content to wait for the right deal.

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52. ""You're not good enough at your job, want to get better? We'll help" "
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"No, I quit, you're the problem."

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55. "Yeah I definitely think Doc fumbled that situation..."
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>For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press
>conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a
>layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey
>has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade.
>You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and
>somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for
>Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to
>increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go
>out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

with all Ben's fault's he still did a lot and was DPOY runner-up. They will be a worse team without him.

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56. "don't know if they'll be worse until we know what they get in return"
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scoring is all that really matters in the NBA anymore, and BS can't do that part of the job

  

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71. "unless they're getting a Dame or a Beal which they probably won't..."
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>scoring is all that really matters in the NBA anymore, and BS
>can't do that part of the job

Philly is going to be worse without Ben, definitely not the top seed in the east, may struggle to be top 4

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74. "All the more reason to wait, really."
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See if Dame and Beal get pissed at their team (or some other star! it's a long season!). If they do, beautiful, you have a fantastic package you can offer for them. If they don't, there may be other trade deadline options-- teams just on the outside of playoff contention looking to shake things up, teams who fear young talented players won't resign or sign extensions that could find the length of Ben's current deal attractive, etc.

Loads of reasons to wait, not many reasons to make a rushed deal. They can honestly probably contend for the sixth seed *without* Simmons, so if their ceiling is the fifth seed if they make any of the theoretical currently available deals, that's just not enough needle movement to convince Morey to pull the trigger imo.

So yeah, I agree, odds are pretty high they'll be worse unless they manufacture a star for Simmons. Which, at this point, would be a *colossal* win for Morey, since few if any really expect that to actually happen.

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57. "What's baffling is that it was an unforced error."
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Doc is a very smart and very savvy guy, and he shot himself in the foot.

All he had to say was, "Yes, he can be the point guard on a championship team, but it's going to take a lot of work for us all to get to that point."

Post-game frustration or not, he should have known the airing Simmons out publicly was a bad look.

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58. "So if Doc said the opposite, what does that change? "
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That doesn’t somehow erase Simmons’s abysmal postseason performance. It doesn’t stop the Sixers from shopping him. It doesn’t stop the media and talking from criticizing Ben for his disappearing act against the Hawks. I highly doubt it changes Ben’s perception of how he’s viewed in Philly.

I mean sure, Doc should’ve answered that question with more tact. I mean, the response should always be YES, we can win a chip with whoever. But Doc was asked in the moment, so I think he needs to get some level of a pass here. He shouldn’t have given the response he did, but it’s a bit bizarre if that’s fault line that permanently severed ties between Simmons and the Sixers organization.

  

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59. "Let's not act like it was a disastrous postseason though. "
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People keep saying that. It was a very bad SERIES, not postseason, and that's important because literally every star has at least one of those.

He averaged 15/10/9 in the first round. His averages over his 4 previous postseason series were 15.8/8.2/7 so pretty dead on.

He DID have a terrible series vs the Hawks with 9.9/6.3/8.6 - absolutely. And they should not have lost that series. But Ben is who he is.

And yeah Doc probably could have at least not totally bumbled that response, which of course is "Yes, Ben is an all NBA caliber player. Of course he can be the PG on a title squad. We need to get better as a team." Whether or not he believes it, that was the answer to give publicly.

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61. "I think you're both right."
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I think you're right that Simmons's postseason on the whole wasn't as bad as people believe due to the disaster of the Hawks series... but I also think MM is right that the perception of Ben across the league more or less cemented itself as a result of these playoffs.

There's been concern for a while about Simmons's confidence on offense-- he's taken both fewer FGs and fewer FTs two straight seasons now, very strange for a young guy who should be hitting his stride right now. Most strikingly, this last season, he took notably fewer shots at the rim and more in the 3-15 foot range, which almost *certainly* has to do with his very apparent lack of confidence in his FT ability. He was an elite finisher at the rim in college, and it's easily the best part of his scoring package, so if he is taking fewer of those shots out of fear he'll have to go to the line... then... yeah. That's bad. And we obviously saw that in very extreme form in that Hawks series. So while I agree that he wasn't bad before the Hawks series and there shouldn't be *that* level of panic based on just one series... I'd actually argue the Hawks series is just the pinnacle of a growing concern that dude's confidence as a scorer is regressing before age 25. (For the record, I think that will be rectified by a change of scenery, especially if that new team has an elite guard creating space.)

I also think MM's right that even if Doc hadn't said what he said, most of this probably still plays out the same way regardless, but I think you're right that Doc not publicly supporting him certainly didn't help and exacerbated things.

It's a crazy situation. One of the stranger scenarios I can recall.

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64. "I was specifically referring to the Hawks series. He put up decent "
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#s against a pretty mediocre to bad Wizards team, so all in all it was yet another disappointing postseason where his limitations were on full display. I was actually one of the few posters who came to Ben’s defense following the onslaught of hate he got immediately following the Hawks series. I’m higher on Ben than most and will not be the least bit surprised if he goes on to play much better elsewhere. Though he was always going to be a bit limited on the Sixers team as currently constructed, I do think he left a bit on the table. I’ll be disappointed if he’s really unable to own up to his shortcomings and force his way out due to spite.

My overall point was that I believe people are assigning too much blame on Doc’s comments made in the spur of the moment. I’d be willing to bet the house that Doc has made more than enough attempts to clarify his comments and affirm his confidence in Ben. Ben definitely didn’t deserve the hate he got, but he has to realize that it was coming from all angles - not just in Philly. He’s a max level contract guy who is expected to play big in big moments. But he routinely defers in big game moments. I think he would get more of a pass if he at least would make some FTs.

All in all it’s a pretty shitty situation for both sides. Ben’s entering his prime and has got 4 years left on a max level contract . Sixers don’t have to pay him if he doesn’t play, but do they want to risk not getting an asset now since Embiid’s window may only be the next 4-5 years?? It will be an interesting standoff between Morey and Simmons’s camp.

  

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60. "I really don’t fathom the issue with trading Ben Simmons."
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He is not a complete basketball player. I would have taken Wiggins in a one
for one trade, and be done with it.

Wiggins is now an elite defender, and can get you 20 points a game, and
avg a block a game, and he doesn’t miss games. Plus he played with
Embid at Kansas.


Morey needs to make the deal happen, and move on.


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62. "they can trade him for Brogdon. That would be a level up for the Sixers"
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63. "Actually that makes a ton of sense! "
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Pacers need defense at the point badly, and don’t really need a lot of scoring

Levert
Sabonis
Tj Warren

will dominate the ball and put up points, So brogdon isn’t needed.
Plus he is a below average defender.

Philly need scoring at the point, Brogdon would fit in nicely......

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66. "Money doesn't come close to matching."
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It'd need to be, like, Brogdon and Turner for Simmons to get the money to work. And I can't imagine the Pacers would be interested.

Especially because they've been looking to trade Turner to free up space for Sabonis to operate-- and Simmons would need to operate in that exact same space. (And, of course, Philly doesn't really have need for an asset like Turner to function as a backup when Turner will be looking for a big contract summer of 2023.)

Pacers I'm sure would try to deal just Brogdon, a pick, maybe two, and some bullshit expiring deal like Lamb or something... but Morey's not going to settle for that. Because outside of shooting (which does matter! but it's not the only thing!), Simmons is better than Brogdon at literally every other component of basketball.

And he's almost 5 years younger. And has made multiple All-Star teams, multiple All-Defense first teams, and an All-NBA team. And Brogdon would need to resign summer of 2023, but Simmons is signed for another four seasons. And a Brogdon/Curry/Milton/Harris/Embiid seed has a pretty hard 5 seed ceiling.

It's a tough situation. I understand why Morey seems happy to sit on him and wait for the bigger pieces to potentially become available.

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70. "Damn, that would be a good fit. "
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65. "RE: I really don’t fathom the issue with trading Ben Simmons."
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>He is not a complete basketball player. I would have taken
>Wiggins in a one
>for one trade, and be done with it.
>
>Wiggins is now an elite defender, and can get you 20 points a
>game, and

Is he? Simmons is an elite defender, Wiggins was a good defender last year but he’s far from elite lol

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67. "While Wiggins was certainly improved last season..."
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... he still put up negative box plus-minus (albeit his best box plus-minus to date!). It's definitely not yet clear that Wiggins can be an integral piece on a winning basketball team, let alone a playoff contender. And it's a lot easier to be an improved defender when sharing the floor with Draymond Green, one of the best NBA defenders of the last decade.

I get why the Warriors would be happy to keep him around, because with Klay back, Wiggins would be the fourth most important player on the floor (and maybe not even that, depending on Wiseman's improvement, Kuminga, etc.). It's a great upside situation for them. And they likely think they can squeeze a bit more juice out of him. And if it doesn't work out, his contract's expiring after 2022/23 and would be a pretty attractive trade chip then. It's a win-win.

But the Sixers would need to replace their second most important player. And if we think Wiggins can be the second most important player on a team, we can take a look at how the Timberwolves did.

I give Wiggins all the credit in the world, btw. It is *insanely* hard to come back from being such a net-negative player for so long to becoming a useful role player on a decent team. Most guys just flame out and that's that. I think he can give the Warriors a lot this year, especially til Kuminga starts really figuring it out. (Or Moody. Or Wiseman, really. There are a lot of young Warriors I like.)

But yeah, his inclusion in a Simmons deal would exclusively be for making the money work. Zero chance Morey sees value in Wiggins as a Simmons replacement.

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93. "Also, Wiggins has problems of his own cuz he refuses the vaccine, lol."
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https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1440876243466047488?s=21

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68. "Wiggins guarded the opposing team’s best offensive player"
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and avg a block a game, and became one of the best on ball
defenders in the league.

That’s why they started calling him two-way wigs.

Steve Kerr:

“You're gonna guard LeBron , you're gonna guard Kawhi , you're gonna guard Luka . We don't have other guys on the roster who can do that so that's your job. Here's what you need to do to do that and we're gonna stay on you.' That plan was executed. Andrew embraced it and really did a good job with it. Not many other guys could have done .”

I remember seeing a stat illustrating that Wiggins was holding the opposing team’s
star player under their season fg pct when he would guard them.

If that’s not elite, I don’t know what is. And then you add his offensive ability to that,
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72. "so? did he stop anybody?"
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>and avg a block a game, and became one of the best on ball
>defenders in the league.
>
>That’s why they started calling him two-way wigs.
>
>Steve Kerr:
>
>“You're gonna guard LeBron , you're gonna guard Kawhi
>, you're gonna guard Luka . We don't have
>other guys on the roster who can do that so that's your job.
>Here's what you need to do to do that and we're gonna stay on
>you.' That plan was executed. Andrew embraced it and really
>did a good job with it. Not many other guys could have done
>.”
>
>I remember seeing a stat illustrating that Wiggins was holding
>the opposing team’s
>star player under their season fg pct when he would guard
>them.
>
>If that’s not elite, I don’t know what is. And then you
>add his offensive ability to that,
>and it makes him a way more skilled player than Ben Simmons.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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73. "Over 3 games against Kawhi Leonard "
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Wiggins held him to 38 percent shooting and seven turnovers.

Again, if that’s not elite, I don’t know what is.

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76. "are you making up stats?"
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>Wiggins held him to 38 percent shooting and seven turnovers.
>
>Again, if that’s not elite, I don’t know what is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2021

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77. "Good lord, dude. You posted a total game log. LoL"
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When Wiggins GUARDED Kawhi...

Example in their first 2 match ups (as well as in their last match up)

When Wiggins GUARDED Kawhi ( lock down city)!:

4 points | 5 turnovers
2-12 FG (16.7%)
0-4 3P

https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-wiggins-defense-kawhi-leonard-191952784.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMYKwgxnneqHopUdpCSYPYhI3lB9htr7x6zDG2RekWNzLDRh6Siq15LTz1AwuwTGLWou8h0KNhBbryqIoJPzEg_YqlhYi4ZKxl01aSCaYpSSudVwj5lM1o9dzreH49G0VjETWTdrTUtgMUxO79fhK3C8g7Hnwykuys3m0cfaXAQ9

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69. "A 33 million dollar playoff liability. borderline useless in April/May"
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this is a hilarious clusterfuck all around.

  

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75. "he's a great player that had a bad playoff series, I would hardly call a..."
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25y/o, 3X All-Star, 2X All-Defensive First Team, DPOY runner-up "useless"

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79. "he doesn't score -at all- , he's like a Max deal PJ Tucker"
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he's over 33% of their salary cap dude, and he can't score points

I'm confused as to why everyone is so confused on this

  

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81. "lol cmon, that's obviously not true. "
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Ben averages 15-16 PPG, PJ's averaged under 8 a game for the last five seasons (and never averaged double figures).

Ben is a Top 5 defender in the league, PJ isn't even a top 2 defender on his own team.

Ben is a Top 10-15 passer in the league, Top 5 out of everyone over 6'6, giving him obvious value as a creator for others. PJ has one of the lower assist rates in the NBA for wings.

Like, I get that shooting is important, it's insanely important-- but defense and passing are two of the three most valuable skills an NBA player can have. And Ben is elite at both. And he just turned 25. He provides obvious value for the right team.

He's also not over 33% of their salary cap, lol. If you're going by the NBA salary cap for 2022, he's under 30%-- and, more importantly, if you go by the Sixers' actual payroll for 2022 (detailed here: https://hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia_76ers/), he's right around 23%. For a multi-year All-Star and recent All-NBA player who just turned 25, that's absolutely a reasonable percentage, cmon.

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88. "if the playoffs didn't feature a completely different brand of basketbal..."
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your comment would hold more weight.

but everyone plays defense and weaknesses are exposed. unfortunately his weaknesses are net negative for a contender in May.

but yeah, his numbers on a monday night in february vs the pistons do look pretty good.

  

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89. "How many teams are contenders, though?"
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And how many teams, at their current state, would settle for trying to get to the 45-to-48 win mark before worrying about what it takes to actually contend?

I agree that the former group of teams likely has basically no interest in trading for Simmons, especially now that he's taken this strange approach to leaving Philly. You need shooting in the playoffs, especially the later rounds, there's just no real way around it. But I think Simmons has clear value for the latter group of teams-- and I think the latter teams handily outnumber the former.

So while he may be "useless" in his current form for, say, 8ish teams in the NBA? He would absolutely raise the ceiling for at least half the teams in the league, all while carrying the upside of "holy shit if he's anything but passive as a shooter, he's a perennial All-NBA guy."

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91. "i don't disagree with any of this. the kings seem like a good destinatio..."
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but i'm talking about his current fit with the sixers.

he just doesn't move the needle for them in the playoffs. it's a weird position for a team to be in. and as a rival fan i find it hilarious and highly entertaining.


  

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83. "100% ,hes perfect for non playoff teams"
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he can do his thing all season and take the summers off in LA like he loves doing, he's clearly not about the post season grind




>this is a hilarious clusterfuck all around.

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85. "I agree. Which I think is precisely why Morey is right to wait."
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Plenty of non-contenders are just looking to straight up improve as regular season teams before they can dream about the playoffs on a regular basis. And Simmons is a no-brainer floor-raiser for the regular season for a team like Sacramento (or Washington, as I'm sure Morey is hoping).

Until Simmons looks less shook as a shooting threat, his appeal to any playoff team is going to be limited. So him holding out hope that the Lakers, Clippers, or Warriors will come off serious assets for him... is just that. Hope. Not reality. lol.

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90. "Daaron Fox on the Sixers would be scary nm"
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>Plenty of non-contenders are just looking to straight up
>improve as regular season teams before they can dream about
>the playoffs on a regular basis. And Simmons is a no-brainer
>floor-raiser for the regular season for a team like Sacramento
>(or Washington, as I'm sure Morey is hoping).
>
>Until Simmons looks less shook as a shooting threat, his
>appeal to any playoff team is going to be limited. So him
>holding out hope that the Lakers, Clippers, or Warriors will
>come off serious assets for him... is just that. Hope. Not
>reality. lol.

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92. "We all need this"
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I’m not sure I’ve ever wanted a hypothetical trade (that I have no idea if it’s even being discussed) to happen more than this one.

  

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98. "The Sixers were a top 3 defensive team last year, they will be far from...."
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that if you swap Simmons for Fox.

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101. "Morey doesn’t give a fuck about defense, "
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This is a dude who placed all his faith in Mike Antoni

I thought Philly would hire him over Doc Rivers tbh



>that if you swap Simmons for Fox.

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102. "When you're a Top 2 offense in the league, it matters less, lol."
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I think Morey (correctly) realizes that a team centered around Harden wasn't going to win with defense, so they loaded up with offense.

Philly is currently the 13th best offense in the NBA. And they don't shoot a lot of 3s. (These things are probably related.) So I think if Morey's going to sacrifice defense-- and, in dealing Simmons, that's almost certainly going to be the case-- he probably won't do it for a player like Fox, who doesn't stretch the floor as a shooter. This is the weird part about building your team around a center in today's NBA-- it rules out a lot of potential talent you could take on, because you need to leave the middle of the floor as open as possible.

(It's also underscores how great a job Denver has done, saying, "Cool, we've got Jokic, let's have four guys spacing the floor around him at basically all times on offense." Meanwhile, Philly has Simmons, who can't shoot, Harris, who prefers to operate in the midrange, and Embiid, a true big, on the floor at the same time a lot. And they drafted Thybulle, who can't shoot. And Maxey, an awesome scorer, but not a distance shooter.)

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116. "No matter who they get in return, theyre droppign defensively"
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there isn't a better defensive player in the league other than Gobert.

So you might as well try and get the best offensive talent you can to offset the loss, it might fuck up your team chemistry for a season but I think Philly has the patience

but this is all moot because Sacramento said absolutely not to letting Fox Bagley or Halliburton go.




>I think Morey (correctly) realizes that a team centered
>around Harden wasn't going to win with defense, so they loaded
>up with offense.
>
>Philly is currently the 13th best offense in the NBA. And they
>don't shoot a lot of 3s. (These things are probably related.)
>So I think if Morey's going to sacrifice defense-- and, in
>dealing Simmons, that's almost certainly going to be the
>case-- he probably won't do it for a player like Fox, who
>doesn't stretch the floor as a shooter. This is the weird part
>about building your team around a center in today's NBA-- it
>rules out a lot of potential talent you could take on, because
>you need to leave the middle of the floor as open as possible.
>
>
>(It's also underscores how great a job Denver has done,
>saying, "Cool, we've got Jokic, let's have four guys spacing
>the floor around him at basically all times on offense."
>Meanwhile, Philly has Simmons, who can't shoot, Harris, who
>prefers to operate in the midrange, and Embiid, a true big, on
>the floor at the same time a lot. And they drafted Thybulle,
>who can't shoot. And Maxey, an awesome scorer, but not a
>distance shooter.)

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103. "If you're built to be a defensive team with defensive minded personnel....."
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you can't just flip and become an offensive team. It just doesn't work like that.

The Lakers tried that when they brought in Antoni to replace Mike Brown and it set us back like 5 or 6 years.

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115. "Sacramento says "no ty, we're good. How about Buddy tho?" lol"
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https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/01/kings-unlikely-to-part-with-deaaron-fox-tyrese-haliburton-for-ben-simmons/

As for Sacramento, sources have suggested the 76ers would only be willing to consider an offer that includes De’Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton. The Kings are unlikely to part with either player, but they can offer Buddy Hield, a prolific 3-point shooter who would space the floor for Joel Embiid; Marvin Bagley III, a former No. 2 pick who has yet to reach his potential; and other assets, including multiple first-round draft picks.

>you can't just flip and become an offensive team. It just
>doesn't work like that.
>
>The Lakers tried that when they brought in Antoni to replace
>Mike Brown and it set us back like 5 or 6 years.
>
>

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78. "doc on first take practically begging ben to come back."
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this is embarassing.

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80. "Best Oscar performance I have ever witnessed."
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82. "Anyone here defending Simmons...."
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At your job if a "colleague" was getting paid way more than you but wouldn't show up when it mattered the most you would be ready to show them the door yourself regardless of "talent".

This dude has been booty butt cheeks in MANY a fourth quarter....

He also flatly refuses to REALLY correct his shot.

Jason Kidd is a great example. Dude couldn't shoot worth a damn when he came in and he worked at it. Even had a decent 3 pointer eventually.

You can't have this dude as your supposed second best player and not have him be even an OPTION offensively in crunch time. You can get away with having a post player/defender/forward do that and ONLY if they are a super plus defender/rebounder/shot blocker.

I've never seen a guard this "talented" that is this disinterested in taking shots. Even mid range or close range shots. This dude is an absolute liability offensively not just because his shot is bad but because he's so tentative.

Simmons needs to spend a few years in a Siberia like Minnesota and work on his craft and then maybe he can think about making demands.

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84. "Yeah this is a no brainer"
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Very strange to see grown men so invested in defending
this guy.

Dudes up above are claiming “one bad series” and
acting like overrated players never make an all star
team. Just straight up lying about the situation.

Dude is a liability, tentative, etc. Worst part?


This guy has flat out refused to get better. Not even
to work on an area enough that he wouldn’t be an
extreme liability.

Has shown no desire or accountability.

Maybe a big piece of this is that no team wants him.

If he really had the upside these dudes claim, he’d be
a rocket or a blazer or something by now.


Dude is soft and privileged.

You’re not getting over on being a great defender
and decent passer.

Not in 2021 and definitely not if you’re getting superstar
pay/treatment.

This isn’t hard. Sixers should have flipped him
last season.

  

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86. "I don't think anyone's defending Simmons's decision."
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>Very strange to see grown men so invested in defending
>this guy.

It's a bad decision for him. It's not going to work out the way he wants, and it's dumb with 4 years left on a deal to think your owner will just come off you for peanuts when you haven't earned your way into roster consideration for an immediate title contender. It's also going to bring up all sorts of questions from future teams about whether they can get the most out of him, whether he's got the yips, whether he really wants to put in the work, etc. It's a bad, bad decision for him to be doing this imo.

But yes, some of us are defending Simmons's future value. Especially his future value with a lengthy contract already signed. And yes, I think it's totally reasonable to defend the value of Simmons as a prospect who just turned 25 and has a lot of tools in his kit. Playoff teams aren't likely to be interested, which is certainly fair, but he's got obvious things that raise a non-playoff team's floor imo. If you disagree, that's totally reasonable. As mentioned above, the character questions and confidence questions certainly make it debatable that the value of the skills he has will be worth it for a trade partner.

I also don't think it's "so invested" if guys choose blow off some steam by logging onto a message board to debate a unique prospect and unique situation, lol. But whatever.

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87. "standard messageboard boilerplate deflection here"
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>I also don't think it's "so invested" if guys choose blow off
>some steam by logging onto a message board to debate a unique
>prospect and unique situation, lol. But whatever.

this, along with "it ain't that deep/serious", "you spend all this time..." are all variants of the same basic tact. It's a non-point.

If you're so much as lurking on a board somewhere and that thought even crosses your mind, it's entirely self-defeating.

  

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94. "You can say he’s limited. "
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And of course he is.

But you can’t say he’s some empty all star. That is ridiculous. Have their been bullshit all stars? Of course! But of them how many are 3 time all stars? And of those how many are all defensive teams multiple times? Oh, and of those how many are all NBA?

Ben is properly rated. He is an excellent player who is limited and who should expand his game. But to act like he’s suddenly absolute trash is the most Philly shit ever.

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97. "It's not about how he's "rated""
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He's scared to shoot in the fourth and doesn't have a three point shot or really any shot to be honest when it's crunch time AND he's a 60% free throw shooter on top of that.

Look at what Giannis went out and did. He AT LEAST showed up when it was time regardless of the numbers.

We get to caught up with all star appearances and accolades. What about just what our eyes tell us?

This dude needs to be gone. He needs a wakeup call.

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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95. "it's not my money, idgaf "
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and ...he isn't my coworker?

taking the emotional position of "but what if I were seth curry, how would I feel then?" seems weird to me

you can have an opinion on dude that doesn't mean imagining you are a professional basketball player


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96. "Yeah. Under no circumstance should your PG be in the "hack-a" group"
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Having a PG that can be fouled intentionally in crunch time like Shaq .......like shaq!

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99. "nobody's defending him but people trying to act like he's complete trash..."
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are comical and obviously have limited basketball knowledge.

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107. "Simmons treated himself like trash in that last series.. lol"
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shoot the damn ball

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110. "RE: Simmons treated himself like trash in that last series.. lol"
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great regular season player but crunch time in the playoffs he's wack.

I hope they sit his ass until they get a decent offer
demanding a trade with 4 yrs on his contract after THAT last series

can't have a player afraid to shoot or be aggressive on offense in the NBA now

  

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154. "Didn’t they sign other players because he can't shoot....?"
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100. "From top to bottom, it seems as if everyone has botched this to be hones..."
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I am curious what in the world Philly is going to do to remedy that glaring hole for starting point guard position going forward assuming Simmons actually sticks to his guns. Pretty important given the top level point guard play in the league at the moment and the fact the East has gotten more competitive among the top level teams.

Common sense should have led the Sixers to making some kind of change this off-season a lot sooner. Doesn't make much sense to me to roll out the same line up for the most part (to my knowledge, the only somewhat substantive change they made was losing Howard and getting Drummond), same coaching staff, and the same front office folks and expect different results, especially given how the East has gotten more competitive like I said before in my response.

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104. "Philly is not for the weak. If you go there you better have tough skin"
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this is the second player to lose all confidence in his shot.

That shit is weird.

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105. "Doc stays fucking up (swipe)"
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https://www.mediaite.com/sports/doc-rivers-references-trump-election-conspiracy-theorists-when-asked-about-ben-simmons-wanting-out-on-msnbc/

“There’s times that I think we’re getting through,” Rivers acknowledged. “And there’s times that I think that I’m talking to people who still believe Trump won the election. So I’m not sure, but I’m going to keep trying.”

The way to convince a "young socialite" to come back is definitely to compare him to fascists.

Good grief Doc get out of your own way

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106. "I think its a hilarious and perfect comparison "
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Simmons and his team are delusional.

Fuck it.. nothing else has worked

How can anyone take Simmons side or have sympathy for this dude is beyond me.

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108. "Perhaps Doc should focus on getting value for a player"
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Instead of saying very dumb things publicly.

But what do I know

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109. "So Doc is supposed to lie? "
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I though we like coaches who were "straight talkers"

Interesting how this works

  

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112. "Nice of you to show up. "
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Doc is being stupid. These are easy questions that he’s blowing. Its really not that hard to answer these but he’s making it impossible to defend him.

But hey go ahead and defend him. I’ll wait.

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120. "You must have bet the farm on Simmons"
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he fucked up and now it looks like he is about to lose a nice chunk of change.

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123. "?"
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128. "feels like you are in your feels about Simmons"
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he fucked up and I don’t see why anyone should treat him with kid gloves when he has 4 years and $100+ mill left on his contract.

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166. "You are making no sense. "
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111. "RE: I think its a hilarious and perfect comparison "
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>How can anyone take Simmons side or have sympathy for this
>dude is beyond me.

Exactly. I see many are using this story to bash philly as usual.
The whole city has begged Ben just to be aggressive and shoot, make or miss. That's all they've asked since he got drafted

publicly demanding a trade after that series is crazy,
good luck to him
like someone said, trade him to Minnesota or Sac where there's no pressure. Put up those Regular season stats and hit Cancun early every year.

Not sure he's mentally tough enough to be a leader on a contender at this point in his career

  

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Ryan M
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113. "Bash Philly as usual?"
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Who gives a fuck about Philly? Like I can say A LOT about Philly and The Process but I won’t.

But seriously who gives a shit about a franchise that hasn’t won a title in nearly 40 years. Honestly. I’m asking.

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114. "Get out your feelings homie"
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>Who gives a fuck about Philly? Like I can say A LOT about
>Philly and The Process but I won’t.
>
>But seriously who gives a shit about a franchise that hasn’t
>won a title in nearly 40 years. Honestly. I’m asking.

For someone that doesn't give shit on the topic you sure have a lot to say. Go ahead and defend Simmons, who reportedly has refused to even meet with his teammates this week. He can't even look his teammates in the eye and tell them what's up. That's weak no matter what you or anyone says.

Nationally philly sports has gotten a bad rep in the media and its not really justified imo. But go on talking about a franchise and its players you don't give a fuck about

  

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117. "Report: Sixers not paying Ben Simmons $8.25 million check owed to him"
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link: https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/01/report-sixers-not-paying-ben-simmons-8-25-million-check-owed-to-him/

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The Philadelphia 76ers and Ben Simmons have been in a statement recently as the Sixers begin training camp for the 2021-22 season. Simmons has yet to report as he continues his holdout for the trade he has requested and the situation continues to get ugly.

With Simmons due $8.25 million of his contract on Friday, the Sixers have taken the first step of his punishment for not showing up to work. The Sixers will not pay Simmons this installment of his check in an effort to get him to at least show up to work.

Per Shams Charania, Simmons fully understands the ramifications of his actions and he will still holdout until he gets his trade.

It appears that this will continue on for a little while longer as the Sixers still want to try and bring him back at least for a little bit. The trade market is not there at the moment and they want him to at least be with the team. This refusal to pay him is the first step towards that goal of bringing him to the team.

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118. "As I said in Reply 16, this was always the most logical path."
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You don't trade him for peanuts just because the season hasn't started. You fine the shit out of him and wait until the Trade Deadline when teams historically are more inclined to get desperate and stars ae more inclined to turn down extensions and/or request trades.

Sucks that it's come to this, but now that it has, waiting is easily the best move.

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119. "I'm a Knicks fan, not a Sixers or Ben Simmons fan."
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I don't care that deeply about the whole situation outside of seeing how it'll resolve itself, but seeing that $8 million dollar figure in that headline was eye grabbing, and I had to post it in this thread.

I am amazed at how ugly this situation has gotten though. I am morbidly curious to see and hear how loudly Sixers fan will react to Simmons hitting a Sixers basketball court, inside or outside of wearing a Sixers uniform.

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121. "Imagine not hooping for $8 million because your feelings are hurt...."
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because YOU sucked, and Coach didn’t verbally felate you anyway.

  

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122. "Man he is digging in."
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I suppose this is the right move for the Sixers - but I am surprised that Ben is not reporting and seemingly willing to lose millions, if not the full year's salary, to not have awkward conversations with teammates.

I dunno, if I wanted to get out of my job, I wouldn't be willing to take half my salary cause my colleagues dont like me.

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124. "This is why I hated the Harden trade so much last year. Traditionally..."
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guys weren't traded until their "contract year" when they had only 1 year left of their deal. As far as I can remember Harden was the first guy traded with multiple years left on his contract opening the door to a new level of "player empowerment" were guys can demand trades even if they just signed a 5-year contract extension a year before.

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125. "I feel like Kawhi initially going to the Clippers is what started this"
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Obviously, Kawhi was a free-agent at the time, but him telling the Clippers that he'd only go there if they traded for Paul George (George had re-upped with OKC for four more years the previous summer) put the league on this path.

The "player empowerment" is going to get put to a test with the Simmons situation though. I'm guessing the Sixers will blink first and trade him to some one.

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126. "IIRC, Harden had two years left… and Ben has *four.*"
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Harden’s deal technically had three left but the last year was a player option, so if the player’s not content, it means next to nothing— especially for older players. Ben’s 25 with four years left guaranteed. It’s probably the craziest situation in terms of trying to pressure his way out that a player with this length of contact has ever displayed. People were, as you correctly pointed out, pretty flabbergasted by the Harden situation. And that was *half as long* as the Simmons deal. It’s bonkers.

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127. "C'mon Ben"
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Ben starting to rethink the situation already. We not even to the start of the season yet. I thought he was in it for the long haul. Glad the 76ers haven't blinked. You don't get strong armed into trading a player with 4 years on a contract

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1447574714134712331?s=20

Sixers officials and Klutch CEO Rich Paul have progressed in talks over recent days on a resolution to bring All-Star Ben Simmons back to Philadelphia in the near future, sources tell ESPN. Discussions are ongoing.

  

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129. "lol yep. this is why you wait!"
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130. "This guy is going to get booed soooooo much"
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booed in philly and clowned in arenas around the league*

i'm looking forward to it.

*if he doesn't come into the season with a jump shot.

  

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131. "yup"
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as he should

opening night will be a must watch now

  

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132. "Eh. I'd rather see him cave than die on the sunk cost hill"
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The best reason for him to stick it out was that he'd already gone ao far. He had no leverage with 4 seasons left, especially after such a disastrous playoff performance.

It was a perfect storm of factors against him, and a win for him here was a longshot at best.

All the clowning is whatever. It means very little in the grand scheme of things, unless he's even more sensitive than it appears.

Hopefully he develops a chip on his shoulder and goes out and kills it from here. He's a special player and I'd rather see guys like thatmake good on their potential.

  

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133. "hes back."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1447763247948603393

nigga did some of that andrew wiggins research.

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134. "Something is seriously wrong with dude"
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It's fun to clown...but I legit think he's got some mental health issues that need to be addressed

Reports are saying he just showed up
No call
No notice
Just a text, to Brand, from Klutch
...Ben is outside the building...

Like dude thought he could just walk in the building before tip and have his mom call the boss

He's touched.

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135. "RE: Something is seriously wrong with dude"
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first time being held accountable. Didn't happen at LSU. When the money starts disappearing all the cosigns (and cosigners) go away.

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136. "He's also only 25."
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A mere child, especially compared to the majority of the folks posting on this message board. Don't get me wrong, I think this whole situation was poorly handled by all parties and Ben definitely created any potential drama that will ensue this season among himself and Doc and his teammates as well, but I wouldn't go so far as to think something is mentally wrong with the dude.

I hope Simmons will be able to block out some of the derision the fans will give him because I'm almost certain the Sixers fans will make him a convenient scapegoat if and when things go awry.

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137. "no really strong vets on the team outside of maybe a Danny Green..."
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somebody needs to pull him in and get in his ear outside of his family and tell how to do things the right way.

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139. "RE: if and when things go awry"
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2021 playoffs checking in
We were the 1 seed
We lost in the 2nd round…again
Ben was the biggest reason
No scapegoat…fact.

Can you layout a scenario where he doesn’t get boo’d
I get the Philly fan trope…but this has nothing to do with the fans.
Reporting to camp so you don’t get fined =/= playing

Anything short of him addressing it directly and suiting up and playing…is not going to help his cause
He is the problem and anything coming his way IRT derision, is the result of his decisions.

Bruh threatened to sit out the whole season
Then shows up unannounced to a game a week later
Where they do that?

That’s on top of turtling and setting the record for worst playoff FT%

Something bigger is going on IMO

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141. "RE: if and when things go awry"
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>2021 playoffs checking in
>We were the 1 seed
>We lost in the 2nd round…again
>Ben was the biggest reason
>No scapegoat…fact.
>
>Can you layout a scenario where he doesn’t get boo’d
>I get the Philly fan trope…but this has nothing to do with
>the fans.
>Reporting to camp so you don’t get fined =/= playing
>
>Anything short of him addressing it directly and suiting up
>and playing…is not going to help his cause
>He is the problem and anything coming his way IRT derision, is
>the result of his decisions.
>
>Bruh threatened to sit out the whole season
>Then shows up unannounced to a game a week later
>Where they do that?
>
>That’s on top of turtling and setting the record for worst
>playoff FT%


Both Simmons and the rest of the team have to attack this season with a different approach compared to the past since to my recollection, they didn't do much this off-season other than let Dwight Howard walk and pick up Andre Drummond. Simmons creating this whole drama definitely won't help in that regard and he definitely deserves any criticism that comes his way since he was the main one that cause the situation. I won't disagree with you there.

>Something bigger is going on IMO

I don't know the man personally, so I won't go in the ledge too strong, but I think a large part that factored into Simmons thinking was a ton of immaturity. I hope there isn't anything more than that, but I don't know his from a can of paint, so ultimately, what do I know?

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140. ""He's also only 25.""
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a Mere Child

if 25 = a child
what age is an adult? what age can ppl hold him accountable for his actions with saying he's a child

  

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143. "25 with 4 years and 100+ mill left on his contract"
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I’m sure there is a reason for his behavior in those numbers up there..

but being 25 is not an excuse.

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144. "I have no issues with him being held accountable"
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In my opinion, I think Simmons is being very immature in how he's dealing with things in Philly. I don't think he's touched or something is wrong with him mentally.

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138. "its called entitlement. "
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he finally had someone tell him “Hell No”

Prolly had plans for that $8 mill and seeing it not hit the account made him accountable.

Go to work and get paid young man.

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145. "Nah this is spoiled brat shit"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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191. "You were correct and I was wrong."
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It appears he is having mental issues. Wonder if he's taking steps to address this.

I hope this isn't the case of Ben calling wolf just to stay away from the Sixers.

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142. "Guess waiting was the right call."
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Still remains to be seen how he actually deals with this but yikes

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146. "This dude tried to covid his way out of game 7"
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10014958-report-ben-simmons-possible-covid-exposure-before-hawks-game-7-questioned-by-76ers

I know what the article says
That’s not how it’s being spun in Philly
They’re saying he tried to use a fake Covid positive to get out of game 7
We’re probably stuck with him
…and he probably needs to step away from the nba…
Dude’s off.

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147. "Simmons suspended for season opener"
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32430529/philadelphia-76ers-suspend-ben-simmons-their-season-opener

Their home opener (Nets) on Friday cannot come soon enough.

  

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148. "Ben dribbled during a huddle"
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https://youtu.be/zHVkXe_EE64

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149. "I'm sure other team presidents and owners are quietly pushing Morey..."
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to stand firm, it would set a bad precedent to allow a player to force a trade with that many years on his deal.

It started last year with Harden being traded with 2 years left.

Before players were only traded in their "contract year" with a year left on their deals.

Now you have dude's with brand new extensions demanding trades. I'm all for player empowerment but this next CBA negotiation will be ugly.

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150. "This definitely plays a role, as does Philly's relationship with Klutch."
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Philly's helping Nerlens Noel in his lawsuit against Rich Paul. And Morey's already been known as a stubborn dude with a big ego who marches to the beat of his own drum. So even *without* the other GMs supporting this, he probably wants to ship Simmons to play in the worst possible destination on some purely petty shit too.

There's a *lot* of stuff going on that doesn't even really involve Simmons as a player, lol. Which, of course, makes it especially stupid for Simmons to try this with *these* people-- people like Morey and Rivers absolutely don't cater to this shit, lol.

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151. "In baseball and basketball, star players always win."
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The agents and unions are too strong, plus the individual star power
of the player.

Just like with Kyrie, the Union and other players will support.

As much as I hate Ben Simmons’ game, his own coach basically said he
didn’t want him and the organization was trying to trade him during
the summer.

He does have a proper grievance.

However, he does risk being blackballed when he is retired, where
he doesn’t get looked at for nba jobs or TV positions....just ask
Oscar Robertson. They will do the same thing in baseball...that’s their form
of revenge.

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156. "if he has a personality he can make it in TV"
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Randy Moss had an attitude AND a WV accent and still made on TV.. lol

but IMO Simmons doesn’t seem like he has much to offer at the moment as a player or anything else.

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158. "Randy Moss wasn’t a problem in this way."
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Randy was just a knucklehead at times, and made up
for it In New England

Had he kept the attitude and personality he had in Oakland, where he
stopped playing or caring about the game,
he would have definitely been blackballed.

Just look at TO...never changed and was eventually blackballed.

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161. "I’m saying.. Simmons is having his moment"
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its not like he is at the end of his career.

He is having his knucklehead moment.

He can still recover if he gets his head on straight or starte over somewhere else in a few years.

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167. "I agree with this."
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152. "literally no one likes this guy right now. and it's impossible to feel "
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sympathy.

if i'm rich paul i'm pissed because dude is not marketable right now and may be never be.

it's also a mystery if ben actually cares about any of this (including the game of basketball). he strikes me as the type who has cruised though his basketball life thanks to his god given gifts (mainly his height and length) and now that he's being held accountable he has no interest in breaking out of his sheltered comfort zone.

  

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153. "This here....."
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>he strikes me as the type
>who has cruised though his basketball life thanks to his god
>given gifts (mainly his height and length) and now that he's
>being held accountable he has no interest in breaking out of
>his sheltered comfort zone.

This is exactly what I see.

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155. "Doesn’t matter. Sixers crested this entire situation. "
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Ben is shit on offense, but he was always available and never missed
anything.

During all that time when Embid was injured and missing games,
Ben was there. And they had their greatest run when Embid wasn’t
in the lineup for weeks.


Plus they shopped this dude during the entire offseason, then
flipped their tune because they weren’t going to get the value
they wanted in return.


This is on philly , 100 percent.

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169. "100% on Philly? Come On Man (c) Rex"
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I see the angle of trying to blame the Sixers for trying to trade him this season - but why was that?

maybe because he has the most laughable offensive scoring game in the entire NBA for a starting point guard? I truly mean that. he is the worst starter in the NBA scoring the basketball. he is not worth his contract at all. if he wasnt so bad at progressing his game and learning his weaknesses, the Sixers would absolutely have not acted in this fashion.

like someone already said, he has just coasted thru his bball life off his talent and never got told no and now that he has a mirror in front of him he folds like a lawn chair. absolving his responsibility as a professional athlete who gets paid top dollar is laughable considering how bad his game has progressed.

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157. "this is what I saw at LSU. Welp, he'll be playing in China."
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163. "Crazy thing is... he *sucked* on defense at LSU."
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Just would take full possessions off, not give a shit. So it's clear that checking out mentally and not giving a shit are in his DNA...

... but he literally went from "bad college defender" to "one of the five best defenders in the NBA" in, like, three years. So it's pretty clear what can happen when dude is engaged with something.

It's just a real question mark how to keep him consistently engaged. He needs a good organization to really unlock that... and he and Paul have made it impossible for him to be traded to a good organization.

A really, really tough situation. He could rectify it so quickly by playing and trying his hardest. Otherwise, he's in for a lot of sitting, a lot of suspensions, and all of his desired destinations not wanting to touch him with a ten-foot pole. I'm one of the biggest advocates for Ben the Player on this board, and even I would think long and hard before moving for him if I was on any team with any immediate aspirations of winning. And even tanking teams have to worry that Simmons will just play like passive shit the rest of his contract if they don't have a chance at the playoffs (although a tanking team is almost certainly where Ben will end up before the trade deadline).

If he'd shown the resilience to spend the offseason working hard, come back to Philly with a smile despite the post-season press comments made about him, and play hard those first 10-15 games, I genuinely believe a good team would've made a move for him and his upside. Now his reputation is toast and he's going to end up in some terrible organization. Really feels like he's sabotaged himself by doing this.

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160. "RE: literally no one likes this guy right now. and it's impossible to fe..."
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>sympathy.
>
>if i'm rich paul i'm pissed because dude is not marketable
>right now and may be never be.
>
>it's also a mystery if ben actually cares about any of this
>(including the game of basketball). he strikes me as the type
>who has cruised though his basketball life thanks to his god
>given gifts (mainly his height and length) and now that he's
>being held accountable he has no interest in breaking out of
>his sheltered comfort zone.


I don't have sympathy for Simmons because it's quite clear he played a big part in creating this debacle, but I don't agree with accusing him of not caring about basketball. He plays defense at too high a level for that to apply IMO. In my eyes, it takes focus and some level of intent to play top level wing defense in the NBA. I will agree that he does have problems being held accountable for his offensive shortfalls, which is pretty sad given that he could become such a beast of a player if he had the threat of being a scorer on some level.

What a fascinating situation all around.

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162. "I think he has a mental block on his shot"
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no confidence at all

but playing defense at a high level is pretty easy when you have size and talent. x

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165. "You'd think this is true..."
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>but playing defense at a high level is pretty easy when you
>have size and talent. x

... until you remember all the players with terrific size and talent in the NBA who range from shit to mediocre on defense, lol.

Simmons has a genuinely super high basketball IQ. That's why he can convert his size and talent into elite defense. But I agree, his confidence in his shot is... well, shot. He needs a new start at a good organization to get him on track.

Good thing every great NBA organization is knocking down his door to trade for him right now!

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171. "Rich Paul probably already got his commission..."
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>sympathy.
>
>if i'm rich paul i'm pissed because dude is not marketable
>right now and may be never be.
>
>it's also a mystery if ben actually cares about any of this
>(including the game of basketball). he strikes me as the type
>who has cruised though his basketball life thanks to his god
>given gifts (mainly his height and length) and now that he's
>being held accountable he has no interest in breaking out of
>his sheltered comfort zone.

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164. "i dont care about that man (c) embiid lol"
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1450505250201288710

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168. "lmao @ that man (c)"
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dude is furious

and I feel him.

Its like having a little brother who always fucks up a good time with a bitch fest

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170. "If I was Ben Simmons "
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I’d shoot the ball as soon as I get the rebound from whatever spot that might be.
Full court, half court, don’t matter.
I’m not even passing the ball inbound, just shooting from out of bounds.

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172. "Morey: "People should buckle in, this is going to go a long time.""
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"You're going to think I'm kidding. I'm not. This could take four years... We're in the prime of Joel's career... Every day, we are going to expect Ben Simmons to be back here, or we trade him for a difference maker."

LMAO! Morey Dogg with absolutely zero fucks to give, giving public notice to Simmons, Paul, and Co. that Ben's indifference and injury-faking tactics won't result in anything other than a sea of forfeited money and a shattering of public good will.

Morey absolutely won't be trading him for scraps. I said it at the top of this post, and it should be crystal clear to everyone now. Might not even trade him for picks at this point, unless it's enough picks that Morey can flip those picks for a valuable asset. He'd genuinely rather sit on Simmons for three years and trade his expiring than give him up for someone that doesn't move the needle for the Sixers. And you know for a fact that Morey isn't publicly saying all this unless Rivers and Embiid are both 100% in on this plan.

What a colossal misplay by Simmons and Paul. They *truly* picked the wrong motherfuckers, man. It's incredible to see. If Simmons wants to dig his heels in and keep going down this road, he may not see a basketball court until he's nearly 30.

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173. "It’s a player’s league."
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Players always win.

AD, Kawhi, Harden, and eventually Ben Simmons.

and the fact that he felt the need to send that message,
let’s you know the pressure is on

He isn’t the owner, and if this shit goes south he could find himself
out of job.....





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175. "Nah"
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not players who just signed a contract last year.

Name the last player who forced his way out with 4 years left on his contract?
all those players had 1 year left I believe
The owners aren't going to just start letting players demand trades with 4 years left

I doubt Morey is saying this without the backing of ownership

Ben fucked this up big time and the 76ers don't seem like they're going to make a trade to just to make a move

  

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176. "Harden had 2 left, but the point still remains."
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Plus a completely different situation. Harden was an MVP. Houston was moving into a tank, not trying to contend. And, oh yeah, Harden was actually playing games.

Morey absolutely wouldn't say this without Rivers, Embiid, and the ownership on his side. And it's very clear from the social media response that the city of Philly supports this too.

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179. "thats right"
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I thought Harden had the more than 1 year
and like you said completely different

MVP player not wanting to be part of a rebuild > Ben getting his feelings hurt because coach told him to get better/shoot the damn ball

  

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181. "not mention harden passed up big money to go to a *better* team"
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to win.

ben wants to leave the team that can pay him the most money on the reup *and* gives him the best chance to win.

dude is really on some lose lose shit just to soothe his hurt feelings.

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177. "How long have you been watching basketball? "
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Every superstar who demanded a trade, eventually got it.

Back in the days when there was no free agency, Kareem threatened
to sit out several seasons if he didn’t get traded to LA.

Wilt Chamberlain did the same thing when he was in Philly.

And did you forget about Vince Carter, who faked injury
after injury until he was eventually traded to Jersey?
He still had years on his contract.

I don’t care how many years are left on Ben’s contract or what support Morey
has, players eventually get their trade demands met....

This one will be no different... He will not be a sixer beyond this season.



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178. "RE: How long have you been watching basketball? "
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>Every superstar who demanded a trade, eventually got it.

Not what I asked. I asked, who was the last player with 4 Years left the contract who demanded a trade.
Ben's not a superstar. Very good player, Superstars don't pass the ball in 4th quarters of game 7's because he's scared to shoot. Can't believe you called him a superstar lol

>Back in the days when there was no free agency, Kareem
>threatened
>to sit out several seasons if he didn’t get traded to LA.
>
>Wilt Chamberlain did the same thing when he was in Philly.


>
>And did you forget about Vince Carter, who faked injury
>after injury until he was eventually traded to Jersey?
>He still had years on his contract.

Did Vince hold out, get thrown out of practices, fined/team suspensions? Did Wilt and Kareem hold out? That was before my time


>
>I don’t care how many years are left on Ben’s contract or
>what support Morey
>has, players eventually get their trade demands met....

Yes he'll get a traded eventually but my main point is the league wont let this become the norm. They won't let a player hold an organization hostage like he's trying. I bet the next CBA will try to address situations like these


>This one will be no different... He will not be a sixer beyond
>this season.

I definitely believe they will not make a trade just to get rid of him

  

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182. "Ben is coming off the most shittiest series ever for a player of his cal..."
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he isn’t Kareem or Wilt or even a Vince Carter.

Dude is liability on offense.

The moment Ben Simmons showed up at the facility the Sixers screamed “Gotcha Bitch!!”


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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174. "I feel morey"
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The org and city debased itself for years supporting Ben hoe ass until they couldn’t anymore. Bring your ass to work with a good attitude, start shooting jumpers and repay the egregious support they have given you by rebuilding your value so you can get the exit you want.

And until then fine his ass for every single game and practice that he misses. Dont give him a fucking dime.

Simmons is a bitch and his camp looks like a bunch of morons. I'd ruin his career before I traded him for pennies on the dollar.

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180. "if thats true then they need to sit him and get him away from the team."
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they got an mvp caliber big man in his prime that needs to win now and this seesaw soap opera shit does nothing but distract the team and fuck up their focus.

im not even sure what the end game is anymore. is morey playing hardball to make simmons relent and join the team? it seems like it. otherwise they would do what other teams have done when a trade is imminent. give that nigga paid time off then ship his ass to the highest bidder.

his trade value damn sure aint increasing through this whole ordeal. shit its prolly plummeting. even if ben is a good piece for your team...who the hell wants to give up good players of value just to deal with *this* shit?

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183. "Simmons: "My back is tight""
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187. "Its not just his back that’s tight"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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188. "RE: Simmons: "My back is tight""
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184. "Woj reporting Ben met with the team…"
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and advised them he is not mentally ready to play to his expectations now.

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185. "yeah, he's gonna play eventually."
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I'd say he'll be on the court before December.

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190. "He doesn’t wasn’t to be there. And I can see him "
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going the mental health route to get moved, because there is no way to disprove
that unlike a physical injury.

He is no dummy and neither is his agent.

“The Sixers have been fining Simmons for missing games, practices and meetings -- nearing $2 million this season -- but there is a provision in the collective bargaining agreement that protects players' salaries for failing to render services "if such failure has been caused by the player's mental disability."

They can’t fine him while getting mental care

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186. "Man they gonna boo you whenever you come back"
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Go ahead and get that shit over with. What a baby

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189. "Everything he's done since Game 7 has lessened his value"
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Addressing his mental health is the first thing that's made sense IMO
Every action he's taken since Game 7...contradicts his desire to be traded
He decided NOT to play for team AUS in the olympics where he could've jacked up as many shots as he wanted to improve his trade prospects
He decided NOT to report on time and play in the preseason where he could've jacked up as many shots as he wanted to improve his trade prospects
Add to that...the conduct detrimental situation...and now mentally unfit...
...dude is touched...and needs time away from the NBA...
If he really wants to be traded...he's going about it all wrong.

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192. "Ben Simmons needs to get a real agent after all this is over"
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they should have played the mental health card right away after game 7 and cited a need for new settings etc.

this is straight up doofy

i feel bad for Ben now.

and daryl morey seemds like a fucking nerd with a vendetta

just take the L and keep it moving with Tyrese Maxey until another free agent comes along.


>For whatever reason I rewatched that post Game 7 press
>conference Doc gave and still can’t believe he answered a
>layup of a question so badly….but even worse is how Morey
>has completely and totally fucked this Ben Simmons trade.
>You’d think he’d have sold as high as possible, and
>somehow has lost any and all leverage in the process. Good for
>Ben for realizing that he doesn’t owe it to the Sixers to
>increase his value (not that Harden needed to, but he did go
>out and play) but whew what a damn mess.

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193. "he's not mentally ready... "
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to be booed and ridiculed every time he touches the ball. home and away.

i'm having a hard time giving ben naomi osaka levels of sympathy for this. i dunno, maybe i'm just a dick.

edit: IF this guy and his team are using mental health as a bullshit scapegoat excuse that's really fucked up and unfair to those with legit mental health issues. so fuck this guy (possibly).

  

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194. "Hard to accept the mental health angle given...everything."
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If he'd come out and said that from the get go? Sure.

Now? EVEN if true? Really hard to swallow.

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195. "Right. We see what's going on here."
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>to be booed and ridiculed every time he touches the ball.
>home and away.
>
>i'm having a hard time giving ben naomi osaka levels of
>sympathy for this. i dunno, maybe i'm just a dick.
>
>edit: IF this guy and his team are using mental health as a
>bullshit scapegoat excuse that's really fucked up and unfair
>to those with legit mental health issues. so fuck this guy
>(possibly).
>
>
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196. "its a total lie. this is so they cant fine him. "
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197. "jay williams said his 'sources' told him ben now wants to play "
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with the sixers.

his sources are klutch (imo). i noticed people like jay and gilbert arenas are always pushing the klutch company line and masking it as impartial opinion/analysis (obviously they wouldnt be the only ones being megaphones for other self interested parties).

but yeah...klutch is prolly giving him the green light to say that. now that could mean that ben actually did blink first and realizes his best option is just playing. or it could mean that they just want it to be 'known' that ben actually wants to be on the floor...because that has ramifications for the legal/contract/cba stuff (as opposed to ben wanting to sit out which would violate whatever rules that apply).

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198. "Usually players try to leave shit teams"
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Or teams that have peaked and whose window has shut.

That’s what makes this all so weird.

Philly was the 1 seed last year and this easily could’ve been their year.

  

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199. "its entirely about hurt feelings."
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doc didnt give a perfect answer (and lie) about ben being a championship pg and embiid held him accountable publicly.

otherwise hes on a perennial contender where he makes the most money possible and the organization and fan base have continually pampered him while he refuses to improve his glaring weaknesses.

hes literally leaving the best situation possible for him because his ego was bruised (by people telling the truth).

i cant believe people are out here defending this dumb shit.

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200. "Shams saying the Celtics have engaged Philly in Simmons…"
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trade talks…Philly would require Jaylen Brown in any deal.

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201. "Hey, Marcus Smart said he wants guys who pass more."
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lol

I can't imagine Boston actually doing this. It would be received so, so, SO poorly by the fanbase.

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204. "Lol…he would not have to worry about Ben settling for the jumper"
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208. "I’m pissed just at the prospect of this trade"
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If Brad has even thought about this for longer than a second he should be fired.

  

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202. "RE: Shams saying the Celtics have engaged Philly in Simmons…"
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You can't trade Jaylen Brown. I would love for it to happen to the Celtics just so their fans can suffer, but nah.

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203. "No way the Celtics trade Brown for Simmons. Funny sayin this now"
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But 3 years ago, Ainge would have done this in a heartbeat lol.

  

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205. "I'm surprised Toronto hasn't offered a trade around Van Fleet."
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It's pretty clear that Masai and Company are centering everything they're building around size and versatility. Of the top 11 guys in their rotation, only *two* of them are shorter than 6'5-- Van Vleet and Dragic-- and most of them are 6'7-6'9, all can pass some, most are defensively switchable, etc. Their rookies are Barnes, Banton, and Champagnie-- all versatile 6'6-6'7 dudes, lol. So their game plan for roster construction going forward is fairly obvious.

I'd also think that Philly would have a lot of interest in a package of Van Vleet, Dragic, and picks. A lot of ball handling and experience in the backcourt to bring in, a lot of shooting. I know Van Vleet and Curry are a bit redundant in terms of size and what they bring in terms of skill, but FVV has a toughness defensively and strength for his size that Curry really can't match tbh (and I love Curry). I also think FVV has All-Star upside playing alongside a guy like Embiid.

It may not be as sexy as Dame Lillard or whatever... but unlike Portland parting with Dame, I *do* think Toronto would see a lot of value in Ben, and I *do* think they'd be willing to part with a 19-5-7 guard who defends and an experienced PG for the playoffs to get ahold of someone like Ben who fits what they want to do. And adding FVV to the current roster definitely makes them a Top 2-3 seed in the East, minimum-- and adding Dragic to the roster would definitely help in the playoffs imo.

(Of course, this would raise the question, "Who the fuck shoots for Toronto?" lol. I'm not saying it's what I'd do, but I've got to think they're sort of showing their hand with their acquisitions and rookie deals this year. They would love nothing more than to roll out a Simmons-Anunoby-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa lineup and tell opposing teams "cool, try scoring on this." It's an interesting premise.)

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206. "am I nuts? I'd way rather have CJ and stuff than Van Vleet"
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207. "Depends on the stuff, of course…"
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… but I find it really hard to believe that a Portland blowup doesn’t start with Dame. I know he’s said he wants to be there— but is he gonna be stoked if Portland has to deal CJ, Nance, and picks for Ben Simmons? Won’t that just drive Dame out too?

I also think CJ is notably worse on defense than VanVleet. FVV is small, but he’s strong and works hard, whereas CJ is a huge net negative on that end.

I also Toronto has made it pretty clear that they’re trying to go all-size all-switchable all-length all-everything. So i bet they’re more likely to throw more pieces in— like FVV, Dragic, Boucher, picks, and maybe even Trent if Philly pushes. Toronto just seems like a place that will actually value Simmons in a similar way to Morey, whereas I don’t think Portland will at all.

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209. "Nah, he’s doing GREAT on this (link)"
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211. "He’s arguably the worst contract in the league"
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And I still felt terrible for him

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212. "Yesterday's prices are not today's prices"
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With POR and WSH bottoming out before the AS break... I'd say Morey's plan to wait it out is working
SAC making statements about everyone is available...when Fox was initially off limits
ATL saying everyone other than Trae and Clint are available

If this dude moves Ben and Toe Bias before the offs...build him a statue

...and I still find the omission of Brand in alladis very interesting...

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214. "Washington isn’t bottoming out. They just got Harrell back"
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and are in PO contention. They just won 3 straight. Kings are now playing well
under Gentry and are near the play-in game, and are thinking about
actually building around Fox/ Halliburton.

Portland is his best shot, but even that might not be in play
because they might just let the kids play to see what they
can generate with Little/ Simons....Since he needs a wing/
guard in return, going after Nurkic and Convinton makes no
sense. CJ would be the true target but I can’t see Chauncey agreeing with
that. Or maybe he can get something going with Indiana for Levert....

He is now going to be forced to take what he can get. He is now
in desperate mode, with zero leverage....meanwhile Embid is killing
himself every night to keep Philly afloat.





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219. "Have you apologized to Ja Morant yet?"
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225. "I don’t need to apologize to Ja."
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I like Ja, just needs to make sure he is getting everyone involved on a nightly
basis as a PG. 6.8 dimes a game for a PG isn’t going to cut it. 8-9 is where he needs
to be. He is 14th in assists.

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224. "This has been clear since the beginning."
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People out there pretending that Morey's desperation increases with each passing day are disproven at every turn. Morey's goal was always to wait for the deadline or maybe even wait until the offseason. Teams always get desperate for change at the deadline and at the offseason once the optimism of what this season could've been fades away.

I'd be *very* impressed if Tobias was moved. I don't really think that's an option at his price, but man, if they could finesse that for actual title team level pieces, then give him a GM of the Decade award.

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213. "Morey has really messed this up....seriously."
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Rumor has it that the Kings are thinking about keeping
Fox and Haliburton together since they are playing better under
Gentry. They are right there near the play-in game, and the team
is playing with more cohesion and discipline.

Now he has put himself in a situation where he is going to have
take whatever he can get.....

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215. "RE: Morey has really messed this up....seriously."
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>Rumor has it that the Kings are thinking about keeping
>Fox and Haliburton together since they are playing better
>under
>Gentry. They are right there near the play-in game, and the
>team
>is playing with more cohesion and discipline.
>
>Now he has put himself in a situation where he is going to
>have
>take whatever he can get.....

aren't the Kings like 10 games under .500? The tanking teams in the west are actually battling to get out of that 10th spot lol...I don't see a Fox-Haliburton backcourt working, they're just trying to see what they have, that's why Bagley is getting PT

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216. "Do you not keep up with the standings?"
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Portland/Sacramento are basically tied for the 10th seed
play-in game spot. And Bagley is getting tick because of
Gentry including him more in the offense. Walton didn’t like
Bagley.

Kings are actually playing better under Gentry, and Portland incredibly
is still afloat without CJ/ Lillard on the floor.

9.Minnesota
10.Portland
11.Sacramento

What makes you think Sacramento is tanking after going ham on the Lakers?
Sacramento plays strong every night and so does Portland.
And this year’s draft isn’t a deep one or strong one. None of those teams are
playing to tank this year......



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ThaTruth
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218. "RE: Do you not keep up with the standings?"
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>Portland/Sacramento are basically tied for the 10th seed
>play-in game spot. And Bagley is getting tick because of
>Gentry including him more in the offense. Walton didn’t
>like
>Bagley.
>
>Kings are actually playing better under Gentry, and Portland
>incredibly
>is still afloat without CJ/ Lillard on the floor.
>
>9.Minnesota
>10.Portland
>11.Sacramento
>
>What makes you think Sacramento is tanking after going ham on
>the Lakers?
>Sacramento plays strong every night and so does Portland.
>And this year’s draft isn’t a deep one or strong one. None
>of those teams are
>playing to tank this year......

The Lakers are not a good team, it’s LeBron and some dudes lol

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allStah
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220. "RE: Do you not keep up with the standings?"
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Portland and Sacramento are not. Gentry and Billups
aren’t designed like that. Their teams are going to play hard every night.

Kings trashed the lakers, lost by 2 to the Cavs and beat the Heat by 2

That’s not tanking.

OKC and Houston are tanking.

Point is don’t be surprised if those teams don’t move anyone ....
and Morey is foolish for waiting this long to try and get something
for Simmons. Morey has no leverage with a player who isn’t
skilled and everyone knows he is in desperation mode.

And now he is trying to throw Harris in the mix. Good luck with
that.

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221. "Trashing the Lakers doesn't say shit lmao"
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222. "It doesn’t matter. They play hard."
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217. "I think Morey is taking the longview on this"
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Philly's now in the 5th slot.

In an odd way, their performance which is both better-than-expected but less-than-championship-contender makes it more favorable to Morey. If Philly was doing very well, pressure from the fan base or from the inside may have prompted Daryl into making a move, even if it wasn't the best move. And the same if the team were worse off.

Yes, he's in effect wasting a year of Embiid's prime. But the team likely wasn't going to win with Ben playing as he has in the past. His negative gravity on their offense seems to be the clear obstacle holding them back.

If it means he has to wait until next year, to get back a true-difference maker, I think he's perfectly comfortable waiting.





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223. "The longer he waits the more Simmons loses value."
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The problem is his asset isn’t worth what he is trying to get in return for it.

Simmons is a player with zero offensive skills, and will be a year
removed from playing. He isn’t getting a tier 1 player in return,
and possibly not even a tier 2 player if he waits until after the season.

Teams don’t need him. He needs them, because he has an asset who doesn’t
want to play for him, and that asset has low value.

He could have have gotten some great talent back before the beginning
of the season, but he told a lot of teams NO with their trade offers......

Either he moves him now and get it over with, or continue to face more
uncertainty, while Embid continues to carry a heavy load.

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226. "I said what I said. Morey is wasting an MVP level Embiid year. "
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227. "I've never been a defender of Morey but he's playing his cards and..."
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armchair GM's need to chill out.

Even if he desperately wants to trade Simmons by the trade deadline he's not going to come out and say it publicly because it would hurt his leverage in negotiations.

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228. "Sauces…Philly content to wait…"
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for Olive Harden, this summer.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-76ers-prefer-to-wait-on-james-harden-or-other-star-in-offseason-per-report/

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233. "LMAO!!! DEM BREADSTICKS!!!"
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>for Olive Harden, this summer.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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229. "I don't disagree with all that"
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But honestly, to me it seems like Simmons is done in Philly and his stock is dwindling by the day.

It just sucks because Embiid has put together this incredible season, and he needs help.

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230. "Rich Paul looks amateurish as hell in all this "
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I feel like a seasoned agent would have convinced Ben to say all the right things after the ATL series and return to Philly and just play even tho he’s disgruntled until they found a trade partner

Harden forced his way out of Houston the right way , showed up outta shape and disinterested but still put up numbers and voices his displeasure in post game interviews

Instead they went the cut off all communication and hold out route thinking Morey was some chump who’d cave

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231. "I don't disagree but at the end of the day Simmons is a grown ass man..."
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making his own decisions

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232. "Far better to waste one year than the rest of Embiid's contract."
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Guys like Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes do not move Philly into the realm of clear title contender, so why would they come off an asset like Simmons for a piece that doesn't get them truly closer to Embiid's and Morey's shared goal?

They just came out and said they're content to wait til the offseason. Certainly Lillard may be available then, as may Harden. Beal just said he's not signing an extension, there's another option. But yeah, you don't come off a 25-year-old former #1 pick All-Star, even a malcontent one, for 3-4 years of Jerami Grant that ties up a ton of money in a non-difference maker and relegates Embiid to perennial Eastern Conference Semis exits.

tl;dr: nothing's changed, lol. I think it was the right call then, it's still the right call now. Embiid's level of play this year doesn't alter the fact that the assets currently available almost certainly don't get Philly past the 4 seed.

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