Cut!


Guess his COVID shenanigans didn't help but it's clear he is in freefall as a player and has been for some time.


He was basically really good for 2 years.

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>Cut!
>
>
>Guess his COVID shenanigans didn't help but it's clear he is
>in freefall as a player and has been for some time.
>
>
>He was basically really good for 2 years.

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but, certainly didn't need a new post.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

Has this been posted already?


Is CAm Newton not an important enough figure for this to merit it's own post? He was MVP not that long ago and he just got cut, probably in part due to his COVID idiocy.


That said, I know it's quiet around here so if this needs to be downsized into another post so be it…


BUT might I posit that it is worth it's own post simply because I never liked Cam Newton?

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show me Tha Lie?

*rimshot*

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that for attention like most of your post titles and and they seem to mostly attack black players and coaches for some reason.

And Cam has had more that 2 good years.

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"Down bad" implies injury??

Since when?

I have never, ever heard that and it is common parlance on the internet for all types of situation.


Not even going to get into your second point because that is obviously ridiculous. All black people don't have to like and support the black athletes that YOU like. Nor are you sitting on any type of moral high ground that would cause me to even take such an observation seriously.


I would say 2 REALLY good years, and one solid year. There were two years where he was one of the best players in the league, outside of that he has mostly been above average to good. Show me otherwise if it aint so.

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Where did you hear that context for “down bad?”

What a bizzare lie


Just say you like Cam Newton and KIM

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>What a bizzare lie
>
>
>Just say you like Cam Newton and KIM

He’s not gonna answer, is he? I’m legitimately curious what context he saw “down bad” in. This may keep me up tonight.

>What a bizzare lie
>
>
>Just say you like Cam Newton and KIM


https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2512927&mesg_id=2512927&listing_type=search

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2624671&mesg_id=2624671&listing_type=search

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2682147&mesg_id=2682147&listing_type=search

the media false narratives against him have been ridiculous talking about his "baggage". He was caught with a stolen laptop 15 years ago as a freshman in college and hasn't had any off the field trouble since and people act like he's Charlie Manson...

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=93355&mesg_id=93355&listing_type=search

really its amazing that he's still playing professional football...

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2397980&mesg_id=2397980&listing_type=search#2397980

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I openly said I don't like him as a player or personality.

I have made three mildly derogatory posts about him over the course of his ten-year career.

What part of this is strange? Because I know it's not three posts, let's be serious, that is not a lot in the context of this board.

>>What a bizzare lie
>>


You still haven't explained your claim that "down bad" was about injury

>
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2512927&mesg_id=2512927&listing_type=search
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2624671&mesg_id=2624671&listing_type=search
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2682147&mesg_id=2682147&listing_type=search
>

Yes, I made all these posts and they all still hold water.

>the media false narratives against him have been ridiculous
>talking about his "baggage". He was caught with a stolen
>laptop 15 years ago as a freshman in college and hasn't had
>any off the field trouble since and people act like he's
>Charlie Manson...
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=93355&mesg_id=93355&listing_type=search
>
>really its amazing that he's still playing professional
>football...
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2397980&mesg_id=2397980&listing_type=search#2397980

LOL what the fuck does this have to do with me? I could care less if Cam stole a laptop.

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>I openly said I don't like him as a player or personality.
>
>I have made three mildly derogatory posts about him over the
>course of his ten-year career.

this is #4, that's a lot of posts about a dude you don't "like" lol

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>>I openly said I don't like him as a player or personality.
>>
>>I have made three mildly derogatory posts about him over the
>>course of his ten-year career.
>
>this is #4, that's a lot of posts about a dude you don't
>"like" lol
>

I would argue that that is patently false

In the context of OKS, 4 posts over 10 years?

I could ask how many posts you have made that pertain directly or indirectly to a particular subject, and we all know what it is, but I am not looking to embarrass you here.

I just want you to keep it real.

"Down bad" is not common parlance for someone being injured

The quantity of negative posts I have started about Cam Newton is barely noteworthy for OKS

You support/like/root for Cam Newton and the fact that I do the opposite annoys you.

That's really all that is there

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>>>I openly said I don't like him as a player or personality.
>
>>>
>>>I have made three mildly derogatory posts about him over
>the
>>>course of his ten-year career.
>>
>>this is #4, that's a lot of posts about a dude you don't
>>"like" lol
>>
>
>I would argue that that is patently false
>
>In the context of OKS, 4 posts over 10 years?
>
>I could ask how many posts you have made that pertain directly
>or indirectly to a particular subject, and we all know what it
>is, but I am not looking to embarrass you here.
>
>I just want you to keep it real.
>
>"Down bad" is not common parlance for someone being injured
>
>The quantity of negative posts I have started about Cam Newton
>is barely noteworthy for OKS
>
>You support/like/root for Cam Newton and the fact that I do
>the opposite annoys you.
>
>That's really all that is there

Good point, I probably have as many negative posts if not more about Tom Brady because he cheated my team out of a super bowl so its personal.

Anything else you're referring to is a board myth.

What is with your obsession with Cam though? Did he impregnate your favorite stripper? Do just not like how he dresses? I'm just trying to understand why you repeatedly choose to try to tear down this man.

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I feel like I covered this in my other posts hating on dude lol but here it goes:

The main thing is that I always thought he was overrated. Secondarily, I don't like his public persona or his fashion sense and most of the time he voices his opinion on something, I find I disagree.

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*looks at watch*

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its awful and usually misses completely but its still entertaining to see people post this type of nonsense


2 good years? lmao

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2 REALLY good years, is what i said. Let's be clear. When he was on, he was really, really on.


I guess maybe you could stretch it to three, but I am not seeing any type of consistent great play in this guys career. Show it to me if I am wrong.

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Also…show me the misses??

Everyone clowned my post about Rodgers but look where things are with him and Green Bay. Both sides have literally come to the same conclusion that I did, years ago. Either Rodgers style of play OR the organization is to blame for the failure to play in more Superbowls.


Where are the piles of terrible agenda posts I supposedly made? At least give me one or two expamples, by all means.

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Most athletes and coaches wont make a SB let alone 2 or 3.

but that is how agendas work.

Win it all or I win.. lol.

off rip I would say this post, the Rodgers post and that dumb ass Ewing post all fall under the umbrella

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>Most athletes and coaches wont make a SB let alone 2 or 3.

How many teams had almost 30 years of uninterrupted HOF play at the QB position?

Does that not change the calculation at all? Is it not even worth discussing?

>
>but that is how agendas work.
>
>Win it all or I win.. lol.
>
>off rip I would say this post, the Rodgers post and that dumb
>ass Ewing post all fall under the umbrella

Cam Newton just got CUT. He was MVP not that long ago. How does this post qualify?


The Rodgers post is so fucking on point you are blind if you still can't see it. Did you have your eyes closed all offseason??

EVERY PACKERS FAN WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE WON MORE TITLES OR AT LEAST PLAYED IN ONE. GO TO A PACKERS MESSAGE BOARD AND THEY ARE SAYING WHAT I SAID YEARS AGO.

The word you are looking for is PRESCIENT

The Ewing post was me literally saying "someone said this TO me and I don't agree with them but let me ask y'all in case I have rose-colored glasses on about 90s basketball"

Everyone was like nah, that's crazy and I thanked the posters and went on my way, confident I was not tripping.

That was the actual post. Please explain what agenda I was pursuing? Either you didn't ever read it, or you need to.

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being a HOFer doesn’t mean you should make a bunch of SB’s

Brady has skewed expectations for QB’s. Its like people screaming about MJ’s 6 titles like its normal for players to go to 6 Finals.. that shit is not reality.

I’m not even GB fan but I remember them being robbed of a SB due to a botched onside kick recovery in Seattle.

Its a team sport but people really act like its all because of the QB. This idea that Favre and Rodgers should have a bunch of SB appearances is laughable. “The other guys get paid too”

shit is goofy but again.. I appreciate the delusion and hate in agenda posting

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>being a HOFer doesn’t mean you should make a bunch of
>SB’s
>
>Brady has skewed expectations for QB’s. Its like people
>screaming about MJ’s 6 titles like its normal for players to
>go to 6 Finals.. that shit is not reality.
>
>I’m not even GB fan but I remember them being robbed of a SB
>due to a botched onside kick recovery in Seattle.
>
>Its a team sport but people really act like its all because of
>the QB. This idea that Favre and Rodgers should have a bunch
>of SB appearances is laughable. “The other guys get paid
>too”
>

We are talking about almost 30 years, man. Straight.

It is completely delusional to pretend that that is not some near-unprecedented shit.

Why the hell do you guys think that Rodgers wants to leave?

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I’m not sure what your point is besides prolly being a fan of another team in the division.

and Rodgers wants to “leave” because the org picked a QB in the first round without telling him.. similar to how they did when they drafted Rodgers.

but if he really wanted to leave his ass wouldn’t be there right now.

He’s just doing his best Favre impression.

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You are talking about gloating. I asked why has this franchise not had more titles, or at least shots at a ring.

3 trips in 30 years, and 2 wins when you had a superstar franchise QB the entire time, is not that much imo.

And even if YOU don't think it's anything remarkable, obviously lots of people disagree with you.

>I’m not sure what your point is besides prolly being a fan
>of another team in the division.
>
>and Rodgers wants to “leave” because the org picked a QB
>in the first round without telling him.. similar to how they
>did when they drafted Rodgers.

The post was asking is the problem the organization, or that the QBs were not as good as they seemed.

Rodgers clearly feels its the organization.

This didn't start with Jordan Love
>
>but if he really wanted to leave his ass wouldn’t be there
>right now.

LOL okay yeah i think he also would rather have money and play then sit at home and wait for Packers to trade him next year.

Anyway, agree to disagree, I don't see eye to eye with you on much of anything football related, so it's probably no surprise.

Just stop pretending that there is not a reasonable premise to the post.


If I just wanted to make a post shitting on Aaron Rodgers, I would and probably have. I made the Cam Newtown is the Beyonce of sports post. I am not ashamed to let it be known I just don't like a player.


The Colts owner said himself that they didn't get enough SB's out of Peyton Manning's time in Indy. If Russ never makes it to another SB people will talk about it. And he has been to TWO. Rodgers is nearing retirement and has been to one. Lots of people think that a well-run franchise + a HOF QB is the ticket to sustained postseason success and trips to the Super Bowl. Maybe you are right and they are wrong, but it's a reasonable question to ask/topic for discussion. And I brought all the stats and receipts to that post to back up my assertions.

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Would love to have Cam as the backup for Hurts
Bet money he's en route to DAL

I thought's Cam's arm looked better in the limited pre-season action
He was absolute noodle arm last year
He had some crisp down the field throws recently
+ he was not running in preseason

Strange move IMO

Naming Mac the starter for week 1 is already a high expectation
But cutting the veteran QB that would be the backup...not sure that makes alot sense...and compounds the pressure on the rookie
I can't imagine how this could end badly

They also shipped Michel

Has Belicheat's greatness run out...?

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>Would love to have Cam as the backup for Hurts
>Bet money he's en route to DAL

That would be a good spot, although he might've just beat Hurts out for the job

>
>I thought's Cam's arm looked better in the limited pre-season
>action
>He was absolute noodle arm last year
>He had some crisp down the field throws recently
>+ he was not running in preseason

He has been washed

>
>Strange move IMO

Vaccination refusal + he isn't bad but he's not very good.

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And Cam looked crisp last year until he got Covid and ruined their season. Bill wasnt about to go through that again. Cam should have gotten vaccinated. Now he got his spot taken *shrug*

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I think Cam was making 5 mill.. which is dirt cheap but probably viewed as too expensive for a back up.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to resign him on the cheap if no one else picks him up and Mac struggles or gets hurt.

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Bills
Ravens
Browns
Steelers
Titans
Chiefs
...I think there's 7 spots this year...

Don't really see how they're better

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Brady made the Pats and Bill look much better than they are..

They better quadruple down on the cheating if they want another deep playoff run.

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>Brady made the Pats and Bill look much better than they are..
>
>
>They better quadruple down on the cheating if they want
>another deep playoff run.
>
>

Because it was 9/11 the NFL made the Patriots win??

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what's Bill gonna do, put up with Cam testing positive the day before flying to Buffalo? FOH

Cousins
Darnold
Allen
Lamar

a lot of these teams are going to find themselves in shitty situations due to contact tracing.

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and says , regarding the vaccine…he needs to talk to the team doctors, see how they feel about it and keep learning as much as he can. What?!?!

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Did it to himself.

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He might hang on a few more years as a 1 year stopgap starter if he wants to. But them days of Super Cam are over

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Like, the team decided that Jones was going to be the starting QB, and they gave Cam the choice of staying on as a back-up or trying his luck somewhere else.

Though I could also see the Pats cutting him because he wasn't vaxxed. If Belichick was looking for an excuse, then Cam gave him one.

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Only thing I've heard so far that made sense
Belicheat saying he's had vaxxed players in camp contract the virus
I understand the different protocols, but I'm really happy he said it
Hopefully people hear it

That said, my god at the tropes
I see Acho is coming for SAS's spot as ESPN's schill
Alpha male
Can't be a backup
He should retire
WOW!
...and then you add in all the Brady talk...for a guy with 0 minutes in an NFL game

Fields, not ready, shouldn't start
Lance, not ready, shouldn't start
...hmm... what's the difference here
Orlovsky literally said, Mac is really smart

Cam and Mac's numbers are almost identical
Haven't heard anyone mention, Mac did not play against a first string defense
Obviously, their decision
Belicheat has the cache to do whatever he wants
I actually respect going all in on your guy
But the disrespect for Cam, who I thought played well in the preseason
and before yesterday was the consensus QB1...is astounding

Hope he finds a home...and as always, FOK the cheatriots

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LOL!

I remember growing up around adults who claimed that a seatbelt could trap you in a burning car after an accident.

Good stuff

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Delta kicking a$$
Lambda on the way
There's currently a breakout on the Red Sox
Everybody that can get vaxxed should
But it's not a guarantee.

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who do you think is more reliable over the course of a grinding 17 game season, the player with the vaccination or the player without the vaccination?

talk about a case of making a "dumb smart" argument

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No one thinks vaccines are 100% bulletproof infallible

We have had vaccines for 100s of years. They are not infallible and may have side-effects for a small percentage of the population.

Everyone knows this

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They think they have their guy in Mac
Datall.
We're talking about Cam's vaxx status... knowing there are current QB1s that also aren't vaxxed.

Literally said everybody that can get the vaccine should

I don't think that's the reason he was cut, and Belicheat confirmed that
Absolutely did not expect anything more than his smug comments at this morning's presser
He expounded on the topic voluntarily...and I'm glad he did

Personally, I think way too many people have abandoned masks in public
Vaxxed or not, there's stilla lot of unknown about this virus

We're trending up, 4th wave, >>>100K cases per day...I have a bad feeling about this fall...and I expect NFL players that are vaxxed to still be put in the protocol

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>They think they have their guy in Mac
>Datall.
>We're talking about Cam's vaxx status... knowing there are
>current QB1s that also aren't vaxxed.
>
>Literally said everybody that can get the vaccine should
>
>I don't think that's the reason he was cut, and Belicheat
>confirmed that
>Absolutely did not expect anything more than his smug comments
>at this morning's presser
>He expounded on the topic voluntarily...and I'm glad he did
>
>Personally, I think way too many people have abandoned masks
>in public
>Vaxxed or not, there's stilla lot of unknown about this virus
>
>We're trending up, 4th wave, >>>100K cases per day...I have a
>bad feeling about this fall...and I expect NFL players that
>are vaxxed to still be put in the protocol

Got it. Thanks for clarification.

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There was no evidence or proof to support the seatbelt claim. There is an immense
amount of proof of vaccinated people still contracting Covid and dying from
Covid. Also, some people have incurred serious health complications from
being injected with the vaccine.

I’m not taking sides here, but let’s not pretend that there aren’t any controversial
issues in regards to the vaccine.

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There really aren't any controversial issues in regards to the vaccine.

Vaccines are not infallible, magical cures and never have been.

The side effects of vaccines affect a very small percentage of people, but yes the possibility always exists that a vaccine may cause a bad reaction. I get the flu vaccine for work and have definitely gotten sick from it before. This is nothing new. Vaccines are not new.

The science on infection and morbidity around the vaccinated and unvaccinated is very clearly in favor of vaccination.

People can and will do what they want but there simply is not a "controversy" over the science, at all.


Yes, you may be trapped by a seatbelt in a burning car but in all likelihood, you won't.

But sure, let's all get measles and polio again!

The only controversy here is how much people should be compelled to sacrifice their personal autonomy for the greater good of the community. Which is a reasonable discussion to have but falls in the realm of ethics and philosophy, not science and medicine.

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And to say that the number of issues from taking the vaccine are minuscule,
so therefore they are negligible, could be perceived as apathy. 1 death will always
be one death too many.

Also, there is no definite timetable on the lasting effect of the vaccine, or
how many shots will be needed in the long term, and the vaccine doesn’t
prevent the human body from contracting or transmitting Covid.

So, yeah, there is some controversy surrounding the vaccine, since the
entire public is not totally sure about the vaccine due to the aforementioned
reasons. Millions of Americans are still unvaccinated.


For the record, I’m not an Anti-Vaxxer

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>
>And to say that the number of issues from taking the vaccine
>are minuscule,
>so therefore they are negligible, could be perceived as
>apathy. 1 death will always
>be one death too many.

Not to science

>
>Also, there is no definite timetable on the lasting effect of
>the vaccine, or
>how many shots will be needed in the long term, and the
>vaccine doesn’t
>prevent the human body from contracting or transmitting Covid.

None of this matters. They don't stop making flu vaccines because it needs to be changed. This is all settled science. I'm sorry.

>
>
>So, yeah, there is some controversy surrounding the vaccine,
>since the
>entire public is not totally sure about the vaccine due to the
>aforementioned
>reasons. Millions of Americans are still unvaccinated.

They are unvaccinated but it is not because of flaws or holes in the science. Again, the barriers to vaccination fall into areas of civics, ethics and people's perception of their own individual autonomy vis-a-vis the group. People have philosophical arguments for not getting vaccinated. The science says vaccination is clearly beneficial, and in the rare cases where it might not be for the individual, it still is for the group.

Whether that science trumps people's other belief systems is the only thing in question

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That’s not completely correct. Some individuals are simply waiting for
more safety data, since the long term effect of the vaccine is still in question.
That has nothing to do with the principles regarding one’s choice or volition.

There are still some scientific questions in regards to the vaccine that science
can’t answer right now because they are still trying to perfect the vaccine.

So, again, there are still some uncertainties with the vaccine that leave
some people in doubt, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Show me the questions that remain?


And hopefully these are questions that don't/didn't exist with previous or existing vaccines that we all take

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>And to say that the number of issues from taking the vaccine
>are minuscule,
>so therefore they are negligible, could be perceived as
>apathy. 1 death will always
>be one death too many.

12 in a million second dose vaccine injections could have increased chances of myocarditis (link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/health/coronavirus-vaccine-heart.html), and if concerns about that are ignored or dismissed, it’s apathy.

Meanwhile, if we point out the alternative, that COVID caused 11% of American deaths last year (link: https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/covid-death-rate.html), and it’ll likely cause a higher percent this year, it’s “well, we need to be respectful to those who are concerned about the vaccine.”

Amazing that in 2021, a vaccine approved by countless scientists and science bodies in every country across the world— and an absolute marvel of modern science— can have people still “waiting for more information.” There’s literally never been as much information or as many studies about a vaccine as this one.

I’m not going to come back to this thread, as it’s depressing. But I felt the need to point out that “vaccine concerns” at this point are for people who either haven’t read enough or are willingly putting their heads in the sand when it comes to science. None of us on this message board know more about vaccines than the countless scientists declaring it safe.

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>Amazing that in 2021, a vaccine approved by countless
>scientists and science bodies in every country across the
>world— and an absolute marvel of modern science— can have
>people still “waiting for more information.” There’s
>literally never been as much information or as many studies
>about a vaccine as this one.


Bingo


There will never be enough information for people who are still refusing to take it. Which is fine, just stop saying it has anything to do with unsettled science.

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If I go to get a tetanus shot, I already know I will not need a booster shot
for another ten years. Why? The science regarding tetanus has been perfected.
I don’t have to go in and get a booster shot every 6-8 months.

New medical trends or practices have been implemented in regards to Covid,
so there is nothing wrong with questioning things when it comes
to the vaccine. Everything we are enduring right now is uncharted territory
when it comes to the history of vaccination.

Its only human nature to be somewhat hesitant in the beginning of new medical
practice, especially when there is still uncertainty regarding the long term efficacy
of the vaccine.

I’m sure that 2-5 years from now there will be less fear and uncertainty as the
science regarding Covid becomes perfected.

There already suggesting a third shot in the same year that the vaccine was
introduced.

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>If I go to get a tetanus shot, I already know I will not need
>a booster shot
>for another ten years. Why? The science regarding tetanus has
>been perfected.
>I don’t have to go in and get a booster shot every 6-8
>months.

^^^This is what amounts to the "science" being in question?

Everything we are enduring right now is
>uncharted territory
>when it comes to the history of vaccination.

Based on what do you make this assertion?

>
>Its only human nature to be somewhat hesitant in the beginning
>of new medical
>practice,

Vaccination is not the beginning of a new medical practice. Coronaviruses did not just emerge from nowhere. There has been significant study in the field for some time.

especially when there is still uncertainty regarding
>the long term efficacy
>of the vaccine.
>
>I’m sure that 2-5 years from now there will be less fear and
>uncertainty as the
>science regarding Covid becomes perfected.
>

People's fear and uncertainty may indeed wane, but my point was simple, NONE OF THAT IS ABOUT FAULTY SCIENCE.

The science is CLEAR. Vaccination is beneficial to the individual and the group..

Yes, as I have said all along, people are going to do what they want to do, or feel comfortable doing. But their reasons for doing so have very little to do with science.

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I never said it was faulty. I said it has yet to be PERFECTED.
That’s a huge difference.

This is uncharted territory regarding vaccination. The quickest vaccination
to be developed prior to Covid was the vaccine for the mumps, and that
was a 5 year process. Usually, animal testing is implemented first before
the vaccine goes to human trials. That process was bypassed to
a vaccine ASAP.... That’s uncharted territory.

The vaccine does not prevent the spreading or transmission
of the virus. It’s effective in preventing the symptoms, and again the science
has yet to determine the long term efficacy of the vaccine.

Those are the questions that still exist regarding the vaccine.....

And there were some issues when the vaccine was first introduced.
J and J’s first implementation created blood clot issues, so they had to
modify it.

Now, overtime, as I stated, as the science regarding Covid evolves the
concern and caution will not be as great. I go back to my tetanus shot
analogy. The science has been perfected, and I’m very familiar with the
approach and process of the vaccine.

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>I never said it was faulty. I said it has yet to be
>PERFECTED.

Vaccines, like a lot of medicine, are imperfect

>That’s a huge difference.
>
>This is uncharted territory regarding vaccination. The
>quickest vaccination
>to be developed prior to Covid was the vaccine for the mumps,
>and that
>was a 5 year process.

This ignores the context around the vaccines development. COVID-19 is just the newest iteration of a family of coronaviruses that was behind the SARS and MERS outbreaks. The development of this vaccine really began many years ago. MODERNA was basically sitting around waiting for this to happen. Which is not shocking, the writing had been on the wall for some time.

Also, the type of resources and technology that were poured into his effort are unprecedented. Should we really be shocked that a global effort using the newest technology can exceed what we were able to do in the past.

Usually, animal testing is implemented
>first before
>the vaccine goes to human trials. That process was bypassed to
>
> a vaccine ASAP.... That’s uncharted territory.

There was animal testing so this is just false. Dunno where you came up with this. Show me some receipts.

I found this quite easily

"By Feb. 19, Graham and his team had the first good news from a two-week mouse study. Blood drawn from vaccinated mice showed they were producing antibodies to fight the virus. Corbett designed that study, gave mice the vaccine and analyzed the results. It was second nature for her, something perfected over years studying other coronaviruses"


>Those are the questions that still exist regarding the
>vaccine…..

We know it's short and medium term efficacy which is what matters when you are in the midst of a pandemic. If it is discovered that booster shots will be required, what of it?

>
>And there were some issues when the vaccine was first
>introduced.
>J and J’s first implementation created blood clot issues, so
>they had to
>modify it.
>
>Now, overtime, as I stated, as the science regarding Covid
>evolves the
>concern and caution will not be as great. I go back to my
>tetanus shot
>analogy. The science has been perfected, and I’m very
>familiar with the
>approach and process of the vaccine.
>

Yeah, lets go back to your tetanus vaccine, by all means. Voila!

"The first vaccine for passive immunology was discovered by a group of German scientists under the leadership of Emil von Behring in 1890. The first inactive tetanus toxoid was discovered and produced in 1924. A more effective adsorbed version of the vaccine, created in 1938, was proven to be successful when it was used to prevent tetanus in the military during World War II. DTP (which is the combined vaccine for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis) was first used in 1948, and was continued until 1991, when it was replaced with an acellular form of the pertussis vaccine due to safety concerns. Half of those who received the DTP vaccine had redness, swelling, and pain around the injection site, which convinced researchers to find a replacement vaccine.

Two new vaccines were launched in 1992. These combined tetanus and diphtheria with acellular pertussis (TDaP or DTaP), which could be given to adolescents and adults (as opposed to previously when the vaccine was only given to children)"

By your logic, looks like we should have waited until 1992 to start administering it!

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The first Tetanus vaccine was developed in 1924, and administered in 1938 to
the military and also became commercially available around that time. That’s
a 10-14 year process, which is somewhat of a standard timetable for the full
development and availability of a vaccine ( prior to the release of the covid vaccine).
So your whole 1992 comment is way off, and is just pure sarcasm.

Now I stand corrected regarding animal testing. The FDA debunked the reports
that animal testing was bypassed to speed up the development process.

“An FDA spokesperson told Reuters via email that the claims that the vaccines had skipped animal trials due to animal death was untrue. None had significant safety issues to report in their respective animal trials, as seen under “5.3 Non-Clinical Studies” sections of the EUAs for Pfizer-BioNTech here , Moderna here and Johnson &

Moving forward, with the development of mRNA technology maybe vaccines will
be developed a lot faster than vaccines of the past, thus creating a new time
standard on when vaccines are made commercially available. We shall see.

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>The first Tetanus vaccine was developed in 1924, and
>administered in 1938 to
>the military and also became commercially available around
>that time. That’s
>a 10-14 year process, which is somewhat of a standard
>timetable for the full
>development and availability of a vaccine ( prior to the
>release of the covid vaccine).
>So your whole 1992 comment is way off, and is just pure
>sarcasm.
>

YOUR argument (or at least the only one still wobbily standing now that you have admitted the animal testing was a lie and punted on the hospitalization/morbidity numbers) is that as long as the vaccines are not completely "perfected" and without unknown complications, it is perfectly reasonable to avoid them.

In case you forgot, here is what you have been saying (the capitalizations are your own):

"I never said it was faulty. I said it has yet to be PERFECTED.
That’s a huge difference"

"the science
has yet to determine the long term efficacy of the vaccine"

"I go back to my tetanus shot
analogy. The science has been perfected, and I’m very familiar with the
approach and process of the vaccine"


Using your own logic, the tetanus vaccine was not "perfected" in 1938! That's just when it began to be administered to the some segments of society.

"DTP (which is the combined vaccine for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis) was first used in 1948, and was continued until 1991, when it was replaced with an acellular form of the pertussis vaccine due to safety concerns. Half of those who received the DTP vaccine had redness, swelling, and pain around the injection site, which convinced researchers to find a replacement vaccine."

Okay, so it was reformulated in 1948, and then again in 1991 because of safety concerns and side-effects. Kind of lack that J&J vaccine you were harping on as evidence that this whole process is WHOLLY UNPRECEDENTED.

For all we know, your beloved tetanus vaccine is still not "perfected". Which goes back to the whole point that vaccines are medicine, not magic. They are not perfect. They will never be without any risk for all people all the time. The idea that you will wait till everything is "perfected" before undergoing treatment is facile, especially when you are talking about a disease pandemic.

I honestly appreciate that you were willing to engage on the subject but your argument(s) falls apart under the slightest scrutiny and your tetanus example was a particularly comical unforced error.

The vast, vast, majority of people do not want to get vaccinated it is because of reasons that have nothing to do with science. They, like you, know almost nothing about vaccines and are just saying things they heard, that SOUND like scientific arguments. They are not. The only valid questions about vaccination are philosophical, ethical and civic. The weighing of one's individual autonomy versus what is best for the group, etc, etc. It would be much better if people would just admit that rather than this "waiting for more information" nonsense.

And I honestly think I am being generous in allowing that some of these people could form coherent philosophical and ethical arguments for these choices. But at least those things are debatable.

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You continue to state that people are/were holding out from being vaccinated
because of ethical reasons, and that is not factual.

Receipts:

“Thirty percent of unvaccinated American adults say they’re waiting for the COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized for emergency use to be officially approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The FDA has since granted that approval for those age 16 and older for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Aug. 23, 2021. What had to happen
for the FDA to advance from emergency use authorization, or EUA, to full approval?”

The FDA just recently approved the Covid vaccine. Prior to that it was only
authorized for emergency use because Covid is a worldwide pandemic, so the
FDA allowed it to be manufactured to help combat Covid even though they had yet
to approve it. That was the argument by a lot of people in regards to being uncertain
and about taking the vaccine - SO IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE SCIENCE.

For a vaccine to be authorized for emergency use it only has to met a
few requirements, which is vastly different from meeting requirements
for full approval....that left a lot of people highly skeptical.

Even the FDA acknowledge that:

“While millions of people have already safely received COVID-19 vaccines,
we recognize that for some, the FDA approval of a vaccine may now instill
additional confidence to get vaccinated. Today’s milestone puts us one step
closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S.”

https://theconversation.com/what-does-full-fda-approval-of-a-vaccine-do-if-its-already-authorized-for-emergency-use-165654

So again you are WRONG when you say people were holding out or still holding
out due to their beliefs. And people are still concerned about the long term efficacy
of the vaccine, but the recent FDA approval will definitely make some of those individuals more confident about taking the vaccine.

But I’m sure you will leap frog that like you’ve been doing....even with the
RECiPTS in your face.

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>You continue to state that people are/were holding out from
>being vaccinated
>because of ethical reasons, and that is not factual.
>

I am starting to understand that you are not very smart. I was stating that is the only real place where there is a discussion to be had. The SCIENCE is not up for debate. The scientific community has spoken, the science is clear. Which is why it's not scientists who are out here telling people not to get vaccinated.

>Receipts:
>
>“Thirty percent of unvaccinated American adults say
>they’re waiting for the COVID-19 vaccines currently
>authorized for emergency use to be officially approved by the
>U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The FDA has since granted
>that approval for those age 16 and older for the
>Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Aug. 23, 2021. What had to happen
>for the FDA to advance from emergency use authorization, or
>EUA, to full approval?”


LOL this is what people say! What people "say" and their actual reasons for doing things often do not intersect.

How many Trump supporters will say they voted for him because they are racist? Very few

But it's clear that racism is a key part of Trump's support and his base.

30% of unvaccinated SAY they are waiting for FDA approval. Okay, well it came! Let me know when you find out how many of these people rushed to get a vaccine the next day.

>
>The FDA just recently approved the Covid vaccine. Prior to
>that it was only
>authorized for emergency use because Covid is a worldwide
>pandemic, so the
>FDA allowed it to be manufactured to help combat Covid even
>though they had yet
>to approve it. That was the argument by a lot of people in
>regards to being uncertain
>and about taking the vaccine - SO IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE
>SCIENCE.

See above. People say all types of shit. You were in here saying the vaccine was developed without animal trials. You didn't know what you were talking about. Neither do these people.

>
>For a vaccine to be authorized for emergency use it only has
>to met a
>few requirements, which is vastly different from meeting
>requirements
>for full approval....that left a lot of people highly
>skeptical.
>
>Even the FDA acknowledge that:
>
>“While millions of people have already safely received
>COVID-19 vaccines,
>we recognize that for some, the FDA approval of a vaccine may
>now instill
>additional confidence to get vaccinated. Today’s milestone
>puts us one step
>closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S.”
>
>
>https://theconversation.com/what-does-full-fda-approval-of-a-vaccine-do-if-its-already-authorized-for-emergency-use-165654
>
>So again you are WRONG when you say people were holding out or
>still holding
>out due to their beliefs. And people are still concerned about
>the long term efficacy
>of the vaccine, but the recent FDA approval will definitely
>make some of those individuals more confident about taking the
>vaccine.
>
>But I’m sure you will leap frog that like you’ve been
>doing....even with the
>RECiPTS in your face.


I have answered every single one of your specious and inane arguments. Every single one. Meanwhile you are thread hopping trying to make something stick.

Why don't you tell me more about the "perfected" tetanus vaccine. You replied to my post but ignored the subject of the tetanus vaccine (something you brought up) to say a whole bunch of nothing about a different subject.

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Now your argument is what people say doesn’t always reflect how
they feel. That’s your OPINION, with no stats to back that up. So
now you’re refuting the stats.

Now you’re talking about trump supporters and stuff, jumping the
needle way off the record. I presented you with a FDA/CDC stat
on why unvaccinated people are still concerned about the vaccine

You have a good day. We agree to disagree,
and I’m going to leave it at that.

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Yeah, good luck with your perfected tetanus vaccine

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What's the science on these variants?
Simple solution for the NFL=mandate
Interesting situation at the US Open
Fans must show proof of vaccination to attend, players aren't mandated to be vaccinated
That's not science.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Nothing at all. I stated that people are still transmitting and contracting
covid after being vaccinated, and vaccinated people have died from
Covid complications. Also, the long term efficacy of the vaccine has yet to be
determined.

Breakthrough cases are on the rise, and there are vaccinated people who
have been hospitalized due to Covid symptoms.

Those are all facts.

I’m not telling people not to get vaccinated. I just simply understand why some
people still have doubts and questions, and there is nothing wrong with that
when it comes to injecting something into the human body.


“There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges. While vaccines have done a remarkable job at protecting a vast majority of people from serious illness, the data in the Times analysis generally spanned the period from the start of the vaccination campaign until mid-June or July, before the Delta variant became predominant in the United States.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

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>Nothing at all. I stated that people are still transmitting
>and contracting
>covid after being vaccinated

The vaccine significantly reduces the chance of becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes CoVID-19, especially if not Delta variant. It also lessens the viral load of people who still become infected, and significantly reduces the chance, severity, and longevity of virus-spreading symptoms such as coughing and sneezing. All the above reduce the risk of spread and thus very much helps protect others.


and vaccinated people have died
>from
>Covid complications.


The vaccines also greatly lessen the likelihood that infect will lead to hospitalization and, importantly, the need for ICU beds, ventilators, oxygen or ECMO machines, all of which are in short supply in the best of times and are desperately needed by people with any number of imminently life-threatening illnesses or injuries. Again, helping the group, regardless of variance in individual outcome.

Also, the long term efficacy of the
>vaccine has yet to be
>determined.
>
>Breakthrough cases are on the rise,

See above.

You are creating a fake equivalency between an imperfect solution and doing nothing.

and there are vaccinated
>people who
>have been hospitalized due to Covid symptoms.
>
>Those are all facts.

Show me some numbers or, with all due respect, GTFO

We are talking about science. Science requires numbers. What percentage of people laying in hospital beds due to covid are double vaxxed?