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jimaveli
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"OKPW: Summerfest and Phil forthcoming"


  

          

We have:

Saturday Summerfest with some pretty big matches. Reigns/Cena has the heat and they're both too good for it to be bad.

Sunday NXT. It may be one of the last of this era of NXT if the rumors are to be believed. I'm happy to see fugging Samoa Joe again. That's for sure.

Phil (and Daniel Bryan) are (allegedly) coming to AEW. Kenny Omega is going around with Harley Race facial hair and being a ridiculous heel goofball character who people want to see lose. And he is SELLING HIS ASS OFF during matches. He sold that Christian Killswitch like it was a burning hammer.

Some of the 'ex-WWE' folks are finding their place around the world. In AEW, Rusev looks great and is having good matches while anchoring the TV title. Malaki Black MOPPED Cody and might actually be taken seriously for a while now. For TNA, Deonna's big fine self is doing work and Christian is back and he's still really good. Now, he can go and try to help Impact stay on its course to being a decent rasslin program worth thumbing through from time to time.

Zoomed out, I'm really happy to see how many 'this person might not ever wrestle again' people we have on the scene right now. Christian. Phil. Bryan. SAMOA DAMN JOE! Hell, even Reigns and Cena! Edge! Even someone like Sasha Banks was looking to be a shaky bet to be back for a while there. At some point, we're getting Becky again too. And now that we know what was up with Keef Lee? Whew!! Even crazy ass Ospreay is hinting at coming back now. This all seems pretty good to me!

And really...

I'm old enough to remember Magnum TA never making it back in the ring. I also remember Dynamite Kid. If we're being honest, we should remember how much time even a guy like Stone Cold spent on ice during his main run. Anyway, I don't take all of these folks being around again lightly at all. Even now, we have Bray somewhere dealing with stuff. And forreal, Harper just smooth died. AKA we can't just assume that these folks are gonna be around forever for us to do the internet complain festival shit about. So, don't let all of these rebook every segment podcasts and tweets trick you. Negativity is obviously their business model. Don't fall for it. If you look around, there's some fun shit going on.

  

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RE: OKPW: Summerfest and Phil forthcoming
Aug 18th 2021
1
first ep of that Heels show on Starz was solid
Aug 18th 2021
2
I rest my case in Jericho having the GOAT entrance
Aug 18th 2021
3
RE: I rest my case in Jericho having the GOAT entrance
Aug 20th 2021
5
I like AEW, but Big Show/QT segments are the worst television
Aug 18th 2021
4
Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:
Aug 20th 2021
6
RE: Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:
Aug 20th 2021
7
they couldve only done it this way
Aug 20th 2021
8
RE: Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:
Aug 20th 2021
9
now that was a POP
Aug 20th 2021
10
RE: now that was a POP
Aug 20th 2021
11
      RE: now that was a POP
Aug 20th 2021
12
           What a wild time
Aug 23rd 2021
38
I think they ended up playing it perfectly last night
Aug 21st 2021
14
      I thought it was leading to this stip/match until the 5th labor
Aug 21st 2021
15
           One thing that I could see happening is they make it...
Aug 21st 2021
16
I don't think this Punk shit moves the needle
Aug 21st 2021
13
im pretty into this actually
Aug 21st 2021
17
damn they just played Bianca big time smfh
Aug 21st 2021
18
Sasha Banks got the Cov?
Aug 21st 2021
20
Becky Lynch is overrated and that sucked
Aug 21st 2021
19
why do these people not say "no"?
Aug 21st 2021
21
Whole thing was stupid
Aug 21st 2021
22
Is Edge doing his best work in 2021?
Aug 21st 2021
23
Cena remains the corniest
Aug 21st 2021
24
And if that’s not enough…
Aug 21st 2021
25
Huh. I figured he wasn't coming back until after Wrestlemania.
Aug 22nd 2021
26
      RE: Huh. I figured he wasn't coming back until after Wrestlemania.
Aug 22nd 2021
28
           yup
Aug 22nd 2021
32
5+ hours is way too long
Aug 22nd 2021
27
Just do what you’re good at. Can’t you just do what you’re good at...
Aug 22nd 2021
29
yeah, very reactionary seeming.
Aug 22nd 2021
30
crazy that its been 33 years since Paul E showed up on TBS
Aug 22nd 2021
31
Paul E. is part of two of my favorite JCP/WCW angles
Aug 22nd 2021
33
yessssss
Aug 22nd 2021
34
Man I had a comic book of that War Games
Aug 25th 2021
41
RE: crazy that its been 33 years since Paul E showed up on TBS
Aug 23rd 2021
37
      my dad and I LOVED "connect the gimmicks"
Aug 24th 2021
39
           THE SHEEPHERDERS!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 24th 2021
40
                you ever read the JYD book?
Aug 25th 2021
42
                     Wow..no I haven’t!
Aug 25th 2021
46
                     Re: JYD and Dr. Death
Aug 28th 2021
53
I enjoyed Charlotte’s performance the most
Aug 22nd 2021
35
Sheamus - Danian Priest was pretty damn good
Aug 22nd 2021
36
Smackdown/SummerSlam/Takeover...
Aug 25th 2021
43
Heels jump and beatdown face for a few seconds
Aug 25th 2021
45
Watched Takeover last night and... nah
Aug 28th 2021
52
      NXT just doesn’t know what it is right now
Aug 29th 2021
55
      RE: NXT just doesn’t know what it is right now
Aug 29th 2021
57
      WELP. Vince n Bruce to produce.
Sep 01st 2021
59
           RE: WELP. Vince n Bruce to produce.
Sep 04th 2021
64
      all the lemons Tony Khan bought, but not Eli Drake/LA Knight smh
Aug 29th 2021
58
I really dislike Kenny Omega’s entire presentation
Aug 25th 2021
44
Agree 100%. Miro feels more like the World champ than Kenny
Aug 26th 2021
48
I agree about Miro
Aug 26th 2021
49
regardless of what the modern marks say...
Aug 26th 2021
50
RE: I really dislike Kenny Omega’s entire presentation
Aug 26th 2021
51
      Regarding this, I agree, but they're going to have to be careful
Aug 28th 2021
54
           RE: Regarding this, I agree, but they're going to have to be careful
Aug 29th 2021
56
first Punk, now…GIANNIS???
Aug 26th 2021
47
All Out predictions?
Sep 04th 2021
60
RE: All Out predictions?
Sep 04th 2021
61
How about Jericho winning by interference
Sep 04th 2021
62
RE: All Out predictions?
Sep 04th 2021
63
RE: All Out predictions?
Sep 04th 2021
65
Agree with most of yours, but I’ll this
Sep 05th 2021
66
RE: Agree with most of yours, but I’ll this
Sep 05th 2021
68
FYI everyone: you can save $10 on the PPV with a VPN
Sep 05th 2021
67
If you set it to the UK you can get it for $20
Sep 05th 2021
73
      Sick! Thank you.
Sep 05th 2021
74
im still on the fence about ordering
Sep 05th 2021
70
      i did it. best overall AEW PPV in a long long time.
Sep 05th 2021
82
           RE: i did it. best overall AEW PPV in a long long time.
Sep 06th 2021
85
Smackdown and Rampage
Sep 05th 2021
69
Big E skulking around Paul E has been getting over big with me
Sep 05th 2021
71
      RE: Big E skulking around Paul E has been getting over big with me
Sep 05th 2021
72
           all ive seen of DZ is the last 2 months of smachdown
Sep 06th 2021
91
goddamn i hate being mad at a ref.
Sep 05th 2021
75
Jericho/MJF was INCREDIBLE
Sep 05th 2021
76
Tony and JR still know how to call pro wrestling
Sep 05th 2021
77
      because that's their pace, the RIGHT pace
Sep 05th 2021
78
           they were good in the TNT and women's title matches too
Sep 05th 2021
79
Punk/Darby was good too!!!
Sep 05th 2021
80
RE: Punk/Darby was good too!!!
Sep 05th 2021
84
debuting AC and Danielson 3 minutes apart = dumb but exhilarating
Sep 05th 2021
81
RE: debuting AC and Danielson 3 minutes apart = dumb but exhilarating
Sep 05th 2021
83
I've seen people with this take, and I disagree
Sep 06th 2021
86
      i want them to not do it like Raw tho
Sep 06th 2021
90
Best show of the year
Sep 06th 2021
87
Guitarist definitely went into business for himself
Sep 06th 2021
88
Guy thought it was a solo Fozzy concert
Sep 06th 2021
89
      was it not intented to be overwraught and self-indulgent?
Sep 07th 2021
97
           i liked the idea of it, but the execution sucked
Sep 07th 2021
99
           Nah, he ignored the memo about the crowd singing
Sep 08th 2021
100
                idk man.
Sep 08th 2021
101
It was a whole lot of fun,
Sep 07th 2021
92
      Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)
Sep 07th 2021
93
           RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)
Sep 07th 2021
94
                RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)
Sep 07th 2021
95
                     RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)
Sep 07th 2021
96
                          I agree, though I don't like how this leads to some spiteful promos
Sep 07th 2021
98
Who’s “The Elite” for?
Sep 08th 2021
102
themselves mostly
Sep 08th 2021
103
Their YouTube subscribers
Sep 09th 2021
108
im not sure how to say this, but this was great and awful simultaneously
Sep 08th 2021
104
Thank you! That was a bad show!
Sep 09th 2021
106
      RE: Thank you! That was a bad show!
Sep 09th 2021
107
      thats what it usually is
Sep 09th 2021
109
      Omega is Tully, but thinks he's Ric Flair
Sep 09th 2021
110
      What, they should started it off with a 20-minute promo like it was...
Sep 09th 2021
111
      my point is, the show wasn't programmed to recruit new viewers
Sep 09th 2021
112
           RE: my point is, the show wasn't programmed to recruit new viewers
Sep 09th 2021
113
      Eh, opening match was about Black
Sep 11th 2021
114
I really want to like Pillman Jr. He was thoroughly outclassed by MJF.
Sep 08th 2021
105
AEW really have them shook like that?
Sep 14th 2021
115
RE: AEW really have them shook like that?
Sep 14th 2021
116
      Agreed. Same reason they have some MITB lose their cash-in
Sep 14th 2021
117
      RE: Agreed. Same reason they have some MITB lose their cash-in
Sep 14th 2021
118
           Yeah, I think people are worrying a little too much, but we'll see.
Sep 14th 2021
119
                Kinda interested where it goes now that Samoa Joe has vacated...
Sep 14th 2021
121
                     I could see any of them winning.
Sep 14th 2021
122
                          oh the wedding is headlining and they threw in a random guy?
Sep 14th 2021
127
                               Glad I was wrong
Sep 14th 2021
132
                               RE: oh the wedding is headlining and they threw in a random guy?
Sep 15th 2021
134
      RE: AEW really have them shook like that?
Sep 14th 2021
120
      RE: AEW really have them shook like that?
Sep 15th 2021
135
      Is Big E even popular enough for this to move the needle?
Sep 14th 2021
123
           His character/gimmick doesn’t feel main event to me
Sep 14th 2021
125
           It's worth a shot
Sep 14th 2021
128
           if he had the chance to talk me into i bet he could
Sep 14th 2021
129
                I'm not because the New Day has some folks on staff
Sep 15th 2021
142
           Vince/WWE are masters at this shit. it doesn't matter if he moves the ne...
Sep 15th 2021
136
so this Bron Breaker (lol) dude is Rick's son and Scott's nephew
Sep 14th 2021
124
RE: so this Bron Breaker (lol) dude is Rick's son and Scott's nephew
Sep 14th 2021
126
Rex Steiner is a great fucking name. it was perfect.
Sep 14th 2021
130
Too afraid of Rechsteiner showing up on the indies.
Sep 15th 2021
137
      It's wild to me that Rick Steiner's work name is his last name in two
Sep 15th 2021
139
           it was treated like a first and last name tho
Sep 15th 2021
140
90% of the new NXT names are bad or at least generic as hell
Sep 15th 2021
133
cant have the truth get over. he can take that if he leaves.
Sep 14th 2021
131
Is the NXT Name Generator broken?
Sep 15th 2021
138
      Nope, it's working the same as it always did
Sep 15th 2021
141
           lmao
Sep 15th 2021
143

cgonz00cc
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1. "RE: OKPW: Summerfest and Phil forthcoming"
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>Sunday NXT. It may be one of the last of this era of NXT if
>the rumors are to be believed.

they beat Ilja on TV last week with a distraction finish? smh lol

but NXT is where Eli Drake / LA Knight is so id be watching anyways. best overall pro wrestler alive imo.

>ridiculous heel goofball character

ive never been a fan of these words in sequence beyond the third match on the card. thats how someone would have described Disco Inferno in 1997. im finding myself not wanting to see him lose matches, but to lose his job and TV time.

>Malaki Black MOPPED Cody and
>might actually be taken seriously for a while now.

Cody launching himself thru a table for no reason whatsoever, and then doing the silliest retirement angle i can think of off the top of my head, stole the show in the wrong way. even trying to get someone else over he had to do a rambling soliloquy about how he doesnt want to do anymore rambling soliloquies. that and the whole Black vs White thing that was way too on the nose for my tastes. and now hes leaving again to go film more TV and even AEWs core fanbase is getting sick of his in and out routines.

>Christian is back and
>he's still really good. Now, he can go and try to help Impact
>stay on its course to being a decent rasslin program worth
>thumbing through from time to time.

Good to know that Impact's champion is tougher and smarter than AEW's World AND Tag Team Champions, AND their manager, all at once. Booker of the year!

nothing against Christian, hes still very good and i popped when he came out for the Rumble. but cmon.

>Zoomed out, I'm really happy to see how many 'this person
>might not ever wrestle again' people we have on the scene
>right now. Christian. Phil. Bryan. SAMOA DAMN JOE! Hell, even
>Reigns and Cena! Edge! Even someone like Sasha Banks was
>looking to be a shaky bet to be back for a while there. At
>some point, we're getting Becky again too. And now that we
>know what was up with Keef Lee? Whew!! Even crazy ass Ospreay
>is hinting at coming back now. This all seems pretty good to
>me!

when i tried (and failed) to make it thru a whole episode of RAW in 2018 for the first time in many years, Samoa Joe stood out to me as a guy who would be a star in any era and in any territory. im looking forward to that very very much.

and Cena...man. he makes the people around him look bad the same way Punk is going to make people look bad, by being SO good on the mic that you cant help but notice that others arent even *within* a few levels, much less on the same one. im actually excited for WWE programming for once in this millennium, altho the Ilja thing is kind of a bummer.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "first ep of that Heels show on Starz was solid"
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James Harrison and CM Punk are in it

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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3. "I rest my case in Jericho having the GOAT entrance"
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https://youtu.be/_Cx8CyQkQxc

  

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jimaveli
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5. "RE: I rest my case in Jericho having the GOAT entrance"
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>https://youtu.be/_Cx8CyQkQxc

You know the 'old man' is have a good time on his way out. And you know he loved the whole main event for sure..knowing he was gonna tap and do his part to try to get MJF over.

  

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4. "I like AEW, but Big Show/QT segments are the worst television"
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Could not be less interested and cannot imagine who this is for.

>Saturday Summerfest

>Sunday NXT.

Has there been any reason given (or even rumored) why they switched days on NXT/Summerslam? My friend who follows pretty closely had assumed they were on the normal days until I told him, and I feel like a lot of people will make that mistake.

Anyway, looking forward to Ilja/Walter more than any match this weekend. Gonna be a barnburner and I think/hope Ilja is the one to finally take the big man down.

  

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6. "Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:"
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The only way MJF vanquishing Jericho before All Out makes sense to me is if they have something bigger lined up for MJF at the show. So here’s how I picture it: maybe tonight, maybe next week, but I think “Cult of Personality” or Punk’s previous song starts playing, the crowd goes nuts… only for MJF to come out and laugh at everyone/soak in the boos. He can get some heat by mocking Jericho and throwing some cheap shots at Chicago… then Punk runs in and delivers a GTS to set up a match at the PPV. MJF can eat a loss to the new top face without losing much momentum, and they can easily revisit this a year or so from now to get MJF his win back/truly launch him to the top.

  

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jimaveli
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7. "RE: Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:"
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>The only way MJF vanquishing Jericho before All Out makes
>sense to me is if they have something bigger lined up for MJF
>at the show. So here’s how I picture it: maybe tonight,
>maybe next week, but I think “Cult of Personality” or
>Punk’s previous song starts playing, the crowd goes nuts…
>only for MJF to come out and laugh at everyone/soak in the
>boos. He can get some heat by mocking Jericho and throwing
>some cheap shots at Chicago… then Punk runs in and delivers
>a GTS to set up a match at the PPV. MJF can eat a loss to the
>new top face without losing much momentum, and they can easily
>revisit this a year or so from now to get MJF his win
>back/truly launch him to the top.

Yep. That’s my guess too. Seems about right. But who knows what Phil requested. You have to figure that he’s gonna work with whoever he wants to..especially at the beginning.

  

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8. "they couldve only done it this way"
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the crowd was chanting for him in the intro graphics.

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9. "RE: Here’s my guess on how Punk debuts:"
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>The only way MJF vanquishing Jericho before All Out makes
>sense to me is if they have something bigger lined up for MJF
>at the show. So here’s how I picture it: maybe tonight,
>maybe next week, but I think “Cult of Personality” or
>Punk’s previous song starts playing, the crowd goes nuts…
>only for MJF to come out and laugh at everyone/soak in the
>boos. He can get some heat by mocking Jericho and throwing
>some cheap shots at Chicago… then Punk runs in and delivers
>a GTS to set up a match at the PPV. MJF can eat a loss to the
>new top face without losing much momentum, and they can easily
>revisit this a year or so from now to get MJF his win
>back/truly launch him to the top.

Welp, there goes that lol

  

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10. "now that was a POP"
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11. "RE: now that was a POP"
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Fri Aug-20-21 09:37 PM by jimaveli

  

          

>

I love wrestling. And I loved the fuck out of that CM Punk return.

Before this, I was fine if Punk never came back..especially if I’m he didn’t want to. Cuz shit, we can all name some dudes who fucked themselves up by not getting out soon enough.

But if AEW was enough to make him come back? Shit, it basically validates the whole company’s existence in one moment even if they eventually fuck it all up. Very very good. I’m pleased.

And true to a lot of the shit he’s said, he shows up and immediately calls out/makes Darby Allen. Very good.

All of this match rating, wannabe booking, and fake ass network exec style analysis that goes on online with rasslin, man? Fuck all of that. Wrestling is supposed to be pretty damn simple to watch (and make).

  

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12. "RE: now that was a POP"
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>>
>
>I love wrestling. And I loved the fuck out of that.
>
>Before this, I was fine if Punk never came back..especially if
>I’m he didn’t want to.
>
>But if AEW was enough to make him come back? Shit, it
>basically validates the whole company’s existence in one
>moment even if they eventually fuck it all up. Very very good.
>I’m pleased.
>
>And true to a lot of the shit he’s said, he shows up and
>immediately calls out/makes Darby Allen. Very good.

It was a nice touch for him to mention Britt Baker/Pittsburgh too.

AEW is far from perfect, but the crowds are regularly hot and there are quite a few wrestlers that are over right now. The show always comes across better when the fans are into it.

And when Punk mentioned the young talent, I couldn’t help but remember how WWE had him work with HHH and Kevin Nash when he was at his hottest. Smh

  

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38. "What a wild time"
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>And when Punk mentioned the young talent, I couldn’t help
>but remember how WWE had him work with HHH and Kevin Nash when
>he was at his hottest. Smh

The Nash part is really crazy cuz it was obvious dude wasn't interested in doing anything resembling working after making all of that WCW money to basically stand around cracking jokes and being in on the most over thing in the company's history. Then, he chilled out bigtime in TNA and did mostly the same thing. Hella tag matches, talking, and chillin.

Punk and Haitch didn't get along pretty clearly! And it just seems like Haitch wasn't on his best behavior with his pull when he didn't like a guy to put it mildly. Too bad for him, Punk had his money saved and had seen Stone Cold chunk deuces to WWE more than once when they had him do stuff he didn't like.

Mix that with Brock leaving for Japan then UFC, Rock rolling out to do movies and Batista doing the same in 2010 and there were hella seeds planted for Punk to gather his shit and bounce. And then he did it! This says nothing of Eddie, Benoit, and Kurt who I lump together when discussing how unhealthy it could be to be a rassler in the early 2000s. Add in Edge and so many other cats who put on weight and/or jacked up their necks and knees in that time and yeah...crazy time. Even Jericho took breaks too.

That post-Benoit era through the time where NXT really started rolling is a wild time for WWE to look at. Really, everything after Rock/Stone Cold were basically gone is wild times to me. Mania 20 through 30 let's say.

Looking back on it will be very interesting assuming I live long enough to get further away from it and more documentaries (WWE and otherwise) pop up.

As an even more random side, I watched the Untold about Foley and Edge's Mania 22 match in 2006. It doesn't seem real that Foley was in a top end WWE match that recently. And LAWD, Lita looked good. Matt Hardy has certainly achieved! Mix that with the bonkers TLCs and Edge's matches and documentaries since coming back and that dude is floating up my figurative list of greats pretty fast.

  

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14. "I think they ended up playing it perfectly last night"
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You really had to give Punk THAT type of pop. The pop was insane and the visual of seeing fans with tears coming down their faces was some powerful shit. Punk's face while he was soaking it in was amazing. And the announcers knew to just not say anything as it was happening.

Also figured his first opponent was going to be Darby. Allin was technically the first person to hint at what was coming on air, as he said he'd be in Chicago and knew he was "The Best in the World." And it's the right to opponent to put him against. Punk fights a popular homegrown AEW star who helped "carry" the promotion during the pandemic. And Allin can lose without forfeiting his heat.

As for Jericho/MJF, I figure they're setting it up for one last match at All Out. Probably some "for your career!" shit. Jericho finally goes over, and along with Punk match (and probably the Bucks losing the title), gives the crowd their feel good moments on a night where Omega is clearly winning.

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15. "I thought it was leading to this stip/match until the 5th labor"
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>
>As for Jericho/MJF, I figure they're setting it up for one
>last match at All Out. Probably some "for your career!" shit.
>Jericho finally goes over, and along with Punk match (and
>probably the Bucks losing the title), gives the crowd their
>feel good moments on a night where Omega is clearly winning.

They could still do this, but the 5th labor felt like a pretty definitive end. I thought it was gonna be Jericho winning all 5 labors then MJF surprising him with a retirement stip for an All Out match. Jericho’s interview with Stone Cold a few months back had me thinking the end is very near and MJF would be the perfect person to retire him.

  

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16. "One thing that I could see happening is they make it..."
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... MJF vs. Sammy at All Out. MJF comes out to talk his shit on Wednesday about how he defeated Jericho. And then Sammy, having ended things with Spears the previous Dynamite, decides to take up the mantle in Jericho's honor. Then Sammy goes over at All Out, setting him up to be the Superstar that AEW has been slowly building him to become.


>Jericho’s interview with Stone Cold a few
>months back had me thinking the end is very near and MJF would
>be the perfect person to retire him.

I do agree that the match is a good "ending place" for his career, even if he doesn't officially retire (the crowd singing "Judas" & MJF making him tap out). They never actually mention the Inner Circle anymore. Them beating the Pinnacle in the Stadium Stampede also served as a great final chapter for the faction. Since then, Hager has barely been on screen. And P&P are seem stuck in limbo due to the FTR injury.

They seem to be grooming Jericho to be an announcer, which I think he's great at doing. I honestly would like to see him as the fourth guy on Rampage; I like Mark Henry, but he's better backstage than as a play-by-play guy.

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13. "I don't think this Punk shit moves the needle"
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Yay,boo I was sad.

I'm a grown ass man. You were making millions. I don't care.
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17. "im pretty into this actually"
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i dont know what any of the RAW matches are about, but ive enjoyed everything

i actually didnt enjoy anything about the Alexa Bliss match...but then Piper Niven happened and i kind of loved that

Becky Lynch has never necessarily moved me, so her replacing Sasha Banks and wasting a good angle is a "lateral-minus" tho. I liked those segments of SD.

well holy shit. that whole things just happened in real time between the end of that paragraph and the start of this one. Bianca got Kofi'd lol

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18. "damn they just played Bianca big time smfh"
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20. "Sasha Banks got the Cov?"
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no way they just fail to deliver on what Fox paid them to promote right?

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19. "Becky Lynch is overrated and that sucked"
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My daughter is obsessed with Sasha Banks and that suuuuck

And Becky Lynch isn’t really that special and they jobbed the best athlete in the whole division

  

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21. "why do these people not say "no"?"
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and since when would Vince even ask?

that was a highly built angle for a championship; and they dont even have a match to replace the match ppl wanted to see?

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22. "Whole thing was stupid"
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Why even bother with Carmella?

And then what....she just died or something after being thrown into the steps?

Why not just have Becky be the replacement in the first place, and then have an actual match?

I hated everything about that.

  

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23. "Is Edge doing his best work in 2021?"
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appreciate the guy's grind but man is he still just so clumsy moving around

  

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25. "And if that’s not enough…"
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Brock Lesnar.

>We have:
>
>Saturday Summerfest with some pretty big matches. Reigns/Cena
>has the heat and they're both too good for it to be bad.
>
>Sunday NXT. It may be one of the last of this era of NXT if
>the rumors are to be believed. I'm happy to see fugging Samoa
>Joe again. That's for sure.
>
>Phil (and Daniel Bryan) are (allegedly) coming to AEW. Kenny
>Omega is going around with Harley Race facial hair and being a
>ridiculous heel goofball character who people want to see
>lose. And he is SELLING HIS ASS OFF during matches. He sold
>that Christian Killswitch like it was a burning hammer.
>
>Some of the 'ex-WWE' folks are finding their place around the
>world. In AEW, Rusev looks great and is having good matches
>while anchoring the TV title. Malaki Black MOPPED Cody and
>might actually be taken seriously for a while now. For TNA,
>Deonna's big fine self is doing work and Christian is back and
>he's still really good. Now, he can go and try to help Impact
>stay on its course to being a decent rasslin program worth
>thumbing through from time to time.
>
>Zoomed out, I'm really happy to see how many 'this person
>might not ever wrestle again' people we have on the scene
>right now. Christian. Phil. Bryan. SAMOA DAMN JOE! Hell, even
>Reigns and Cena! Edge! Even someone like Sasha Banks was
>looking to be a shaky bet to be back for a while there. At
>some point, we're getting Becky again too. And now that we
>know what was up with Keef Lee? Whew!! Even crazy ass Ospreay
>is hinting at coming back now. This all seems pretty good to
>me!
>
>And really...
>
>I'm old enough to remember Magnum TA never making it back in
>the ring. I also remember Dynamite Kid. If we're being honest,
>we should remember how much time even a guy like Stone Cold
>spent on ice during his main run. Anyway, I don't take all of
>these folks being around again lightly at all. Even now, we
>have Bray somewhere dealing with stuff. And forreal, Harper
>just smooth died. AKA we can't just assume that these folks
>are gonna be around forever for us to do the internet complain
>festival shit about. So, don't let all of these rebook every
>segment podcasts and tweets trick you. Negativity is obviously
>their business model. Don't fall for it. If you look around,
>there's some fun shit going on.

  

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26. "Huh. I figured he wasn't coming back until after Wrestlemania."
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28. "RE: Huh. I figured he wasn't coming back until after Wrestlemania."
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>

The joke online all day Saturday was Vince calling up Becky and Brock in various ways to try to get them to come to the show. The memes had me rolling. It was good to see so many folks happy in general with Summerfest and NXT still to come.

They did a good job of keeping Brock under wraps. And he looked like a damn monster in a fighting game alternate costume. I thought about it briefly when they declined to say Brock’s name in a spot where they were obviously referring to him during the main event. But I thought ‘Nahhhh, probably at some point but not tonight, g’.

WWE is obviously going in the direction of hosses so it makes sense that they’d fork over money for Brock again. I just hope they make it fun with Reigns being as glorious and dynamic as a heel as he has been the last year. This time, I assume he’ll be a little bit more of a bitch about it though..trying to evade Brock, trying to get Paul to talk him down, for sure throwing Uce 1 and 2 at him against their interest, all of that. I’d still think it ends with Reigns on-top before his next thing.

They fucked up the Becky/Sasha thing pretty big and did it in a petty way with how they produced and announced it. They shouldn’t be this worried about anything happening on AEW or anywhere because they are number 1 by a lot in all of the ways they claim to care most about. What AEW eats shouldn’t make them shit..and certainly not ice cream! Haha. They should make badass shows filled with shit that is generally fun and sensible and know that nobody should be able to catch them. Let the other feds have their fun spending big money and doing their fan service stuff. It’ll just excite the ‘I will watch your wrestling show..just make it fun’ folks like me and it’ll be fine.

And like most, I wonder what’s going on with Banks. Rona seems like the obvious guess but there’s no telling until they tell with her. It was wild to find out that Belair had gone through some rough stuff in her past. I hope she’s good too cuz she’s right around the top shit for women’s wrestling for me. And her husband is dope too.

  

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32. "yup"
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>They did a good job of keeping Brock under wraps. And he
>looked like a damn monster in a fighting game alternate
>costume. I thought about it briefly when they declined to say
>Brock’s name in a spot where they were obviously referring
>to him during the main event. But I thought ‘Nahhhh,
>probably at some point but not tonight, g’.
>WWE is obviously going in the direction of hosses so it makes
>sense that they’d fork over money for Brock again. I just
>hope they make it fun with Reigns being as glorious and
>dynamic as a heel as he has been the last year. This time, I
>assume he’ll be a little bit more of a bitch about it
>though..trying to evade Brock, trying to get Paul to talk him
>down, for sure throwing Uce 1 and 2 at him against their
>interest, all of that. I’d still think it ends with Reigns
>on-top before his next thing.

they are gonna get everything they can out of Roman (of whom there is still a LOT to give) and then he is going to make a franchise babyface for the next 5 years.

>They fucked up the Becky/Sasha thing pretty big and did it in
>a petty way with how they produced and announced it. They
>shouldn’t be this worried about anything happening on AEW or
>anywhere because they are number 1 by a lot in all of the ways
>they claim to care most about. What AEW eats shouldn’t make
>them shit..and certainly not ice cream! Haha. They should make
>badass shows filled with shit that is generally fun and
>sensible and know that nobody should be able to catch them.
>Let the other feds have their fun spending big money and doing
>their fan service stuff. It’ll just excite the ‘I will
>watch your wrestling show..just make it fun’ folks like me
>and it’ll be fine.
>And like most, I wonder what’s going on with Banks. Rona
>seems like the obvious guess but there’s no telling until
>they tell with her. It was wild to find out that Belair had
>gone through some rough stuff in her past. I hope she’s good
>too cuz she’s right around the top shit for women’s
>wrestling for me. And her husband is dope too.

it had to be Covid. i dont remember them ever mentioning it again after the announcement, and if it were an injury or something i dont think they would have done that.

with a marquee thing unavailable i understand why they pivoted to another marquee thing, but jesus christ @ that outcome. why not just piss in Biancas face while shes down there?

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27. "5+ hours is way too long"
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i fell asleep during Edge-Rollins, woke up for 30 seconds during Goldberg's entrance, then woke up again for the Roman-Cena finish

the shit i was most excited to see didnt even start until almost midnight

and the commercials...jesus.

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29. "Just do what you’re good at. Can’t you just do what you’re good at..."
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Stop trying to swerve everyone from nowhere, stop trying to elevate the brand or whatever, stop trying to prove that you’re anything more than a great wrestling company and just be a great wrestling company. You saw last night, when they just go with straight ahead stories that make sense and rely on their performers the results are almost always fantastic. RKBRO, Usos, Rollins/Edge, and Cena/Reigns were all exactly what I want from a Summerslam.

But what is this Nakamura pointless entrance? What are these commercials? What’s this just brutally hard to watch Goldberg schmoz all about?

The Lashley ass kicking was so thorough that the longer it went the more convinced I became that Big E was going to cash in, especially considering he wasn’t even on the main show (reminder- he has a golden ticket that in theory can give him a championship match at the snap of a finger) But that was it! Your shoot fighter juice head champ who everyone agrees is in his prime just beat a dude in his 50s who can’t pick up his opponents anymore. What are we doing?

Again, most puzzling was the decision to promote the Banks/Belair match all the way until the bell and then pull the bait and switch. For one, it’s just unprofessional bullshit to do that. There’s surely kids there who came to see Sasha for one. Then there’s the fact that Bianca Belair WHO WOULD BEAT THE DOGSHIT OUT OF BECKY LYNCH IN A GENUINE STREETFIGHT just gets jobbed in 30 seconds, one minute after Becky said they were going to “blow the roof off this place.” I think Becky Lynch is as overrated a performer as Cena is, which is to say it’s all personality and mic and very little in-ring prowess. What a mess that whole scene was.

Reigns/Cena was not surprisingly very good. Cena was and still is just such a clumsy guy, I feel like he could trip and face plant at any moment. And I’m in my 30s so obviously his gimmick is irrelevant to me too. I appreciate all he did and acknowledge that he’s an all time draw , but man he’s so inferior to Roman Reigns in just about every credible way that I think they could’ve gone either further. This could’ve been more violent in my opinion, but for what it was it definitely felt like a worthwhile main event for an NFL stadium.

Reigns is all they understand how to book and when you’re that good it’s hard to botch. Booking Reigns is like coaching the 2017 Warriors., He’s the most consistent and the most over, the cool of Batista with the ability of his cousin Rock. I’d leave the belt on him 2 years, or at least until Big E has to cash in before the briefcase expires.

  

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30. "yeah, very reactionary seeming."
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>But what is this Nakamura pointless entrance?

ill abide no slander for Nakamura and Boogs. i love that shit for some reason. if they werent having a match anyways im fine with the new IC champ doing a victory lap, but i wanted more of them.

>What are these
>commercials?

$5 a month access instead of PPV makes a lot more financial sense now that they can run commercial breaks. natural consequence of the platform imo.

>The Lashley ass kicking was so thorough that the longer it
>went the more convinced I became that Big E was going to cash
>in, especially considering he wasn’t even on the main show
>(reminder- he has a golden ticket that in theory can give him
>a championship match at the snap of a finger) But that was it!
>Your shoot fighter juice head champ who everyone agrees is in
>his prime just beat a dude in his 50s who can’t pick up his
>opponents anymore. What are we doing?

Big E cant cash in the briefcase if he doesnt have it. which to be honest, i love this Baron Corbin stuff too. credit to him for making this funny wothin the acceptable boundaries of silliness.

>Again, most puzzling was the decision to promote the
>Banks/Belair match all the way until the bell and then pull
>the bait and switch. For one, it’s just unprofessional
>bullshit to do that. There’s surely kids there who came to
>see Sasha for one. Then there’s the fact that Bianca Belair
>WHO WOULD BEAT THE DOGSHIT OUT OF BECKY LYNCH IN A GENUINE
>STREETFIGHT just gets jobbed in 30 seconds, one minute after
>Becky said they were going to “blow the roof off this
>place.” I think Becky Lynch is as overrated a performer as
>Cena is, which is to say it’s all personality and mic and
>very little in-ring prowess. What a mess that whole scene
>was.

theres no way they just tabled it. something happened, but the squash aspect was definitely suspect.

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31. "crazy that its been 33 years since Paul E showed up on TBS"
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with the Original Midnights, and was enough of a dick to turn Cornette babyface

fast forward to now and WWE's central program is based around 2 guys he manages

what an incredible run. probably wont ever see another like it.

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33. "Paul E. is part of two of my favorite JCP/WCW angles"
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The first is of course the Midnights vs. Midnights, which was just great TV. The fact that it culminated in a Tuxedo Match between Paul E. and Cornette that could have understandibly been a complete comedy match that they both decided to play fairly straight was also awesome.

The second is the whole Dangerous Alliance angle, which was also 20 types of awesome and culminated in probably the best War Games ever. Then it stopped because WCW didn't know what the hell else to do with them.

But yeah, Paul E. has great vision, an eye for talent, and ability to book to everyone's strengths. So many of the guys still at the top of WWE and other top guys we are around wrestling or his projects or guys he championed.

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34. "yessssss"
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>The first is of course the Midnights vs. Midnights, which was
>just great TV. The fact that it culminated in a Tuxedo Match
>between Paul E. and Cornette that could have understandibly
>been a complete comedy match that they both decided to play
>fairly straight was also awesome.

this was actually one of the first angles i can remember in all my years of watching. Corny getting bloodied with the phone and cutting an all timer of a babyface promo was the kind of realistic angle that sustained kayfabe for me longer than my friends who watched WWF. WWF was fun, but stuff like this was REAL.

>The second is the whole Dangerous Alliance angle, which was
>also 20 types of awesome and culminated in probably the best
>War Games ever. Then it stopped because WCW didn't know what
>the hell else to do with them.

Agreed on the GOAT War Games. As a kid it all tied together nicely for me that losing War Games would be then end of them as a unit, but in retrospect it all ended way too soon. It did give us Paul E vs Madusa Gender Warz tho!

>But yeah, Paul E. has great vision, an eye for talent, and
>ability to book to everyone's strengths. So many of the guys
>still at the top of WWE and other top guys we are around
>wrestling or his projects or guys he championed.

It crazy to think of the ongoing influence of him and Cornette. The self-proclaimed "Paul Heyman guy" doing what he did Friday, Paul E booking the champ, OVW alumni still driving the bus for SummerSlam 2021 (Orton, Cena, Lesnar)...pretty wild.

The fact that Paul E's influence still extends to being on-screen in the flagship angle on primetime network television in 2021? Fuckin astonishing. I wish they would plop him down behind a microphone full-time while he's still got the juice to handle the schedule, but there's no way that jives with the office's "vision" for commentary.

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41. "Man I had a comic book of that War Games"
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>The second is the whole Dangerous Alliance angle, which was
>also 20 types of awesome and culminated in probably the best
>War Games ever. Then it stopped because WCW didn't know what
>the hell else to do with them.

It was awesome.

>But yeah, Paul E. has great vision, an eye for talent, and
>ability to book to everyone's strengths. So many of the guys
>still at the top of WWE and other top guys we are around
>wrestling or his projects or guys he championed.

Just don't let him book anyone in a storyline with their significant other and he's fine.

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37. "RE: crazy that its been 33 years since Paul E showed up on TBS"
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>with the Original Midnights, and was enough of a dick to turn
>Cornette babyface
>
>fast forward to now and WWE's central program is based around
>2 guys he manages
>
>what an incredible run. probably wont ever see another like
>it.

This IS crazy. Wow. I'd forgotten about how he came in.

Of course, I'll never forget that big azz cell phone/weapon. Or ECW.

It is wild to think about ECW now. It deserves at least some credit for creating some energy on earth to make more people feel like they could start their own rasslin companies. TNA, PWG, ROH, WWN, Chikara, and places like this come to mind. Now sure, we're very fortunate that lots of those feds didn't go overboard on the violence like ECW wasn't above doing. But still, the world is a better place when rasslers have multiple places to go work. That's one of Corny's really strong talking points about 'tha territory days'. If you left/had a falling out at one place, you could show up some other place and either:

- do the same stuff again in another town (IE: the 'get suspended and show up as an alternate character' gimmick; redoing storylines/feuds, sometimes with all of the same people and match finishes)
- do something completely different and have a clean af slate because people weren't going to make a habit of chasing you around the territories yelling your old/completely different gimmick at you (IE: Mean Mark --> Undertaker; Isaac Yankem --> Kane; Vinny Vegas --> Diesel; hell, even something like Demolition Crush --> Islander Crush --> Brian Adams).

I remember seeing folks change gimmicks/fed as a kid and thinking stuff like 'wait, Ted DiBiase is rich now!? Okaaaayyyy'. Or 'Wait a minute, ain't that Diamond Stud!?'. 'Hey pops, that one dude in Doom has to be Butch Reed, right?'.

And of course, 'damn, Tugboat busted his ass coming through that wall!! Bwahahahahaha!'.

  

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39. "my dad and I LOVED "connect the gimmicks""
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>It is wild to think about ECW now. It deserves at least some
>credit for creating some energy on earth to make more people
>feel like they could start their own rasslin companies.

i think Jim Cornette might get take umbrage haha. SMW beat Heyman to ECW by a few years. that being said your point stands. ECW had the internet to work with and eventually became something I could see on syndication in Detroit, whereas i never saw SMW before the last few years. since i missed the territory days by just this><much (and Detroit wasnt in SMWs region), ECW was the first TV i ever saw outaide of the Big 2.

>TNA

i feel like ol' Double J was destined to give it a go regardless lol

>PWG, ROH, WWN, Chikara, and places like this come to mind. Now
>sure, we're very fortunate that lots of those feds didn't go
>overboard on the violence like ECW wasn't above doing. But
>still, the world is a better place when rasslers have multiple
>places to go work. That's one of Corny's really strong talking
>points about 'tha territory days'. If you left/had a falling
>out at one place, you could show up some other place and
>either:
>- do the same stuff again in another town (IE: the 'get
>suspended and show up as an alternate character' gimmick;
>redoing storylines/feuds, sometimes with all of the same
>people and match finishes)
>- do something completely different and have a clean af slate
>because people weren't going to make a habit of chasing you
>around the territories yelling your old/completely different
>gimmick at you

in listening to old pods of his, and where I am now he's going deep into what wrestlers were making at various times in various territories, and its nuts. people all over America making Wrestlemania payoffs once or twice a month in the flagship town of a weekly territory.

I have to believe the territory system forced stuff to be more creatively inspired yet with minimal fakery. its crazy to think about how good stuff had to be to go buy a ticket every. single. week. and not even always on the weekends, but like, Tuesdays. continually having to do that over and over with different crowds who like different shit made getting yourself over an imperative, rather than thinking you were just gonna come in and do "your stuff"

>(IE: Mean Mark --> Undertaker; Isaac Yankem -->
>Kane; Vinny Vegas --> Diesel; hell, even something like
>Demolition Crush --> Islander Crush --> Brian Adams).
>I remember seeing folks change gimmicks/fed as a kid and
>thinking stuff like 'wait, Ted DiBiase is rich now!?
>Okaaaayyyy'. Or 'Wait a minute, ain't that Diamond Stud!?'.
>'Hey pops, that one dude in Doom has to be Butch Reed,
>right?'.
>And of course, 'damn, Tugboat busted his ass coming through
>that wall!! Bwahahahahaha!'.

my dad and I loved playing this game! in fact, growing up,I had trouble accepting that guys like Kevin were championship level because "Vinny Vegas could obviously never beat Bret Hart!". Scott Hall won me over everywhere because he was so good, but even in WCW the second time i had trouble buying it, and I was old enough to have my license.

The vicious blood-thirsty Sheepherders becoming the Bushwhackers was a big one for me, because the fear of them led me to flee backstage at a Crockett show before I got to meet Sting (Tommy Young let us come back bc we asked for his autograph and made him cry lmao). when they showed up on WWF TV licking babies a few months later I was HOT. i felt like a huge dumbass.

even Stone Cold, it took me a minute to warm up to him as more than a high level IC Champ kind of guy because no one had ever presented him as a King of the Mountain type.

Barry Darsow and Mike Rotunda even retroactively ruined their Demolition and Varsity Club gimmicks for me with Repo and IRS respectively (altho IRS had a little bit of Scott Hall-type redemption with his wrestling), because "oh wow these guys were idiots the whole time" lol.

i could talk about guys switching gimmicks during the Silly Gimmick Era alllllllllll day.

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40. "THE SHEEPHERDERS!!!!!!!!!!"
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Yes yes yes. A million times yes. I had them in midsouth and those dudes were monsters and menaces straight up and down. And yeah, I was scared of those dudes like Japanese folks looked to be scared of Stan Hansen for years with him forreal swinging a bull rope all up into the crowd. When they showed up with the jokes in WWF, it made me lowkey hate WWF for a minute.

I also didn’t love that Jim Duggan and JYD weren’t big shit stars in WWF. I still have that big plastic JYD figure tho. That’s fo sho.

And yeah, Smokey Mountain is a real thing..Corny deserves love for pulling that off too. I’d figure that Paul E would throw some flowers out over that too. Like you, I didn’t see much of it.

Side note: I still don’t understand why Dr. Death Steve Williams went to Japan instead of being big shit somewhere here. He was EXCELLENT for hella years. A guy like him now would print money.

>
>>It is wild to think about ECW now. It deserves at least some
>>credit for creating some energy on earth to make more people
>>feel like they could start their own rasslin companies.
>
>i think Jim Cornette might get take umbrage haha. SMW beat
>Heyman to ECW by a few years. that being said your point
>stands. ECW had the internet to work with and eventually
>became something I could see on syndication in Detroit,
>whereas i never saw SMW before the last few years. since i
>missed the territory days by just this><much (and Detroit
>wasnt in SMWs region), ECW was the first TV i ever saw outaide
>of the Big 2.
>
>>TNA
>
>i feel like ol' Double J was destined to give it a go
>regardless lol
>
>>PWG, ROH, WWN, Chikara, and places like this come to mind.
>Now
>>sure, we're very fortunate that lots of those feds didn't go
>>overboard on the violence like ECW wasn't above doing. But
>>still, the world is a better place when rasslers have
>multiple
>>places to go work. That's one of Corny's really strong
>talking
>>points about 'tha territory days'. If you left/had a falling
>>out at one place, you could show up some other place and
>>either:
>>- do the same stuff again in another town (IE: the 'get
>>suspended and show up as an alternate character' gimmick;
>>redoing storylines/feuds, sometimes with all of the same
>>people and match finishes)
>>- do something completely different and have a clean af
>slate
>>because people weren't going to make a habit of chasing you
>>around the territories yelling your old/completely different
>>gimmick at you
>
>in listening to old pods of his, and where I am now he's going
>deep into what wrestlers were making at various times in
>various territories, and its nuts. people all over America
>making Wrestlemania payoffs once or twice a month in the
>flagship town of a weekly territory.
>
>I have to believe the territory system forced stuff to be more
>creatively inspired yet with minimal fakery. its crazy to
>think about how good stuff had to be to go buy a ticket every.
>single. week. and not even always on the weekends, but like,
>Tuesdays. continually having to do that over and over with
>different crowds who like different shit made getting yourself
>over an imperative, rather than thinking you were just gonna
>come in and do "your stuff"
>
>>(IE: Mean Mark --> Undertaker; Isaac Yankem -->
>>Kane; Vinny Vegas --> Diesel; hell, even something like
>>Demolition Crush --> Islander Crush --> Brian Adams).
>>I remember seeing folks change gimmicks/fed as a kid and
>>thinking stuff like 'wait, Ted DiBiase is rich now!?
>>Okaaaayyyy'. Or 'Wait a minute, ain't that Diamond Stud!?'.
>>'Hey pops, that one dude in Doom has to be Butch Reed,
>>right?'.
>>And of course, 'damn, Tugboat busted his ass coming through
>>that wall!! Bwahahahahaha!'.
>
>my dad and I loved playing this game! in fact, growing up,I
>had trouble accepting that guys like Kevin were championship
>level because "Vinny Vegas could obviously never beat Bret
>Hart!". Scott Hall won me over everywhere because he was so
>good, but even in WCW the second time i had trouble buying it,
>and I was old enough to have my license.
>
>The vicious blood-thirsty Sheepherders becoming the
>Bushwhackers was a big one for me, because the fear of them
>led me to flee backstage at a Crockett show before I got to
>meet Sting (Tommy Young let us come back bc we asked for his
>autograph and made him cry lmao). when they showed up on WWF
>TV licking babies a few months later I was HOT. i felt like a
>huge dumbass.
>
>even Stone Cold, it took me a minute to warm up to him as more
>than a high level IC Champ kind of guy because no one had ever
>presented him as a King of the Mountain type.
>
>Barry Darsow and Mike Rotunda even retroactively ruined their
>Demolition and Varsity Club gimmicks for me with Repo and IRS
>respectively (altho IRS had a little bit of Scott Hall-type
>redemption with his wrestling), because "oh wow these guys
>were idiots the whole time" lol.
>
>i could talk about guys switching gimmicks during the Silly
>Gimmick Era alllllllllll day.

  

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42. "you ever read the JYD book?"
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>Yes yes yes. A million times yes. I had them in midsouth and
>those dudes were monsters and menaces straight up and down.
>And yeah, I was scared of those dudes like Japanese folks
>looked to be scared of Stan Hansen for years with him forreal
>swinging a bull rope all up into the crowd. When they showed
>up with the jokes in WWF, it made me lowkey hate WWF for a
>minute.

ppl whove only ever known them as the BWs would be repulsed at how they behaved before WWF lol.

>I also didn’t love that Jim Duggan and JYD weren’t big
>shit stars in WWF. I still have that big plastic JYD figure
>tho. That’s fo sho.

as a midsouth guy, if you havent read "King of New Orleans" you absolutely HAVE to. its sooooo good, and not very long. i listened to the audiobook and im gonna listen again. nice dive into why he was the perfect guy for that time and that place, and why Watts tried so hard to recreate him. in retrospect JYD was kind of a "catch and kill" signing, which is too bad.

>And yeah, Smokey Mountain is a real thing..Corny deserves love
>for pulling that off too. I’d figure that Paul E would throw
>some flowers out over that too. Like you, I didn’t see much
>of it.

all of SMW is on Youtube and Im about 8 eps in. fun hour so far and stuff hasnt really even picked up yet.

>Side note: I still don’t understand why Dr. Death Steve
>Williams went to Japan instead of being big shit somewhere
>here. He was EXCELLENT for hella years. A guy like him now
>would print money.

id guess it was because of the style and lack of mic work. lean hard into what he ws good at, avoid what he wasnt

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46. "Wow..no I haven’t!"
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Clearly I have work to do! I added this JYD book to my audible stack. I’ll come back once I get it in. JYD was my shit as a lil lil kid. And my pops was sure to pump him up to me. There’s no telling what my dad knew about JYD and his drug stuff but whatever he knew, he didn’t clue me in on it. My pops worked for newspapers in Houston and back then, there was still a little bit of the Japan-style ‘covering wrestling like it’s real’ stuff going on…at least for midsouth.

Funny and random as hell aside, years later my pops knew Tony Norris…the dude who gained 40 extra pounds and became Ahmed Johnson for a bit there. He was in great shape before throwing on that ‘look good to Vince’ weight. He randomly called the crib when I was back home from college. Said he was ‘Big Tony’. I recognized his voice somehow so I clowned with him for not using his working name/not protecting kayfabe on the phone and then he came clean! Haha.

And know that you pierced my soul with your take on WWF signing Dog to kill him. They did it with a bunch of folks so I prolly can’t be too salty or hurt just cuz Dog was…err…my dog. Those dudes got action figures and, in some cases, easy ass in-ring assignments (more show than go WWF style vs the southern, more physical style of a UWF or midsouth for instance). But yeah, killing the territories was clearly the goal. Side: if Corny tells stories about Dog being drugged out with Watts, there’s no telling what dude was doing in New York.

SMW on YT? Aight. Good looking out again. I ran myself into the ground over the weekend with rasslin and documentaries..ngl. But I’ll be good by next week to jump back into some rasslin history study. Thanks for this.

>>Yes yes yes. A million times yes. I had them in midsouth
>and
>>those dudes were monsters and menaces straight up and down.
>>And yeah, I was scared of those dudes like Japanese folks
>>looked to be scared of Stan Hansen for years with him
>forreal
>>swinging a bull rope all up into the crowd. When they showed
>>up with the jokes in WWF, it made me lowkey hate WWF for a
>>minute.
>
>ppl whove only ever known them as the BWs would be repulsed at
>how they behaved before WWF lol.
>
>>I also didn’t love that Jim Duggan and JYD weren’t big
>>shit stars in WWF. I still have that big plastic JYD figure
>>tho. That’s fo sho.
>
>as a midsouth guy, if you havent read "King of New Orleans"
>you absolutely HAVE to. its sooooo good, and not very long.
>i listened to the audiobook and im gonna listen again. nice
>dive into why he was the perfect guy for that time and that
>place, and why Watts tried so hard to recreate him. in
>retrospect JYD was kind of a "catch and kill" signing, which
>is too bad.
>
>>And yeah, Smokey Mountain is a real thing..Corny deserves
>love
>>for pulling that off too. I’d figure that Paul E would
>throw
>>some flowers out over that too. Like you, I didn’t see
>much
>>of it.
>
>all of SMW is on Youtube and Im about 8 eps in. fun hour so
>far and stuff hasnt really even picked up yet.
>
>>Side note: I still don’t understand why Dr. Death Steve
>>Williams went to Japan instead of being big shit somewhere
>>here. He was EXCELLENT for hella years. A guy like him now
>>would print money.
>
>id guess it was because of the style and lack of mic work.
>lean hard into what he ws good at, avoid what he wasnt

  

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53. "Re: JYD and Dr. Death"
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I don't ever know if I've heard of the JYD signing as "catch and kill." If anything, I'd heard Vince considered him and Snuka as possible candidates to be the WWF;s champion during their national push before it became apparent that they could sign Hogan. Though that could be anti-Hogan after the fact speculation. They certainly marketed the shit out of JYD during the mid 1980s: making lots of action figures out of him and putting him in the Saturday morning cartoon.

As for Dr. Death, they did bring him into the WWF in 1998 with the idea of putting him against Austin. But the legend goes that him getting injured and knocked out by Bart Gunn in that pointless Brawl For All killed that possibility.

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35. "I enjoyed Charlotte’s performance the most "
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She stole the show IMO.

Edge getting that crazy look and choking Rollins out was great. Lashley destroying Goldberg was great. Cena-Reigns was cool. Couldn’t have cared less about anything else. That Alexa Bliss goofy shit has gotta go.

I wasn’t quite ready to tap in early so maybe I missed out on something?

They really just killed Cesaro’s push? I don’t watch the weekly shows, but he can’t even get on the SS card? SMH. Give me Cesaro, Samoa Joe, and AJ Styles solo matches on every PPV card and id enjoy these shows a lot more.

  

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36. "Sheamus - Danian Priest was pretty damn good"
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i forgot all about it because the show was so interminable, but they beat the piss out of each other

Usos - Mysterios was cool too

also i just learned Big E and Baron Corbin were on the preshow (six. fucking. hours.), which i sadly missed. ive been watching Smackdown lately and Baron Corbin has been killin me.

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43. "Smackdown/SummerSlam/Takeover..."
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is making AEW look real amateurish right now.

i cant say that it was all "better" television per se from top to bottom, but the matches themselves and the top-of-the-card builds are eons ahead of what AEW is offering up. the booking specifically. tournaments and battle royals to determine championship matches because no one actually knows how to do it any other way.

the Anoa'i family next to The Elite is a perfect representation of things

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45. "Heels jump and beatdown face for a few seconds"
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other face(s) runs down to help. Heels are chased off.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Like 4 times every show, lol.

  

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52. "Watched Takeover last night and... nah"
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Out of the five, two were out-and-out great: Grimes vs. Night and Walter vs. Dragunov. Both of those were booked and executed just about perfectly, no complaints at all. Grimes winning winning with DiBiase was an awesome feel good moment. And the Walter match was further proof that Vince needs to do whatever it takes to put him on the main roster. Then build him up and have him be the guy who beats Roman after Wrestlemania next year (assuming that Roman does indeed fight the Rock and turn face afterwards).

But the rest of the card was pretty hit and miss in terms of booking and especially execution. The Women's title match was like the inverse of Walter vs. Dragunov, with the smaller heel trying to beat the face champion. But thhe match itself was still booked like Kai was the face, getting beaten up and then bouncing back.

Only the street fight fall of Cole vs. O'Reily was any good. And, honestly, it probably should have just been a street fight match, since the cage played very little part in the third fall. You could have even used the exact same finish.

And Joe looked REALLY rusty in the title match. Like, it was a good Musclebuster at the end, but otherwise he looked blown up pretty early. And it didn't help that Kross has spent weeks being booked to look like a moron on the main roster.

I certainly have my issues with the Elite in AEW, but you at least see how it can be properly paid off at All Out (especially the Bucks). NXT looks like it's in trouble.

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55. "NXT just doesn’t know what it is right now"
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>I certainly have my issues with the Elite in AEW, but you at
>least see how it can be properly paid off at All Out
>(especially the Bucks). NXT looks like it's in trouble.

It’s looking like they’re transitioning back to purely a developmental brand, which they can pull off and still make it pretty entertaining, but the roster they currently have doesn’t reflect that yet. This also brings about other issues they’ll have to deal with (they have too much TV time and too many titles for a developmental brand), but the main issue is USA Network will be very unhappy if/when they take another hit in the ratings.

  

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57. "RE: NXT just doesn’t know what it is right now"
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>
>>I certainly have my issues with the Elite in AEW, but you at
>>least see how it can be properly paid off at All Out
>>(especially the Bucks). NXT looks like it's in trouble.
>
>It’s looking like they’re transitioning back to purely a
>developmental brand, which they can pull off and still make it
>pretty entertaining, but the roster they currently have
>doesn’t reflect that yet. This also brings about other
>issues they’ll have to deal with (they have too much TV time
>and too many titles for a developmental brand), but the main
>issue is USA Network will be very unhappy if/when they take
>another hit in the ratings.

I’m trying to not be a mark about it but I’m horrified about NXT going too far away from ‘here’s these indy dudes mixed with some folks we’ve been training having some good matches and learning to tell stories our way as well as which way to face when important stuff is happening in matches’.

If I look around in a year and it’s random meathead who looks stronger than he actually is vs too injured to be a pro athlete so he’s wrestling now dude for 2 hours every week, it might get rough. Even if that’s how it goes, those mfers had a good run at what they were doing and they ended up with some main event folks as well as some guys who can fill up a card with good stuff even if they aren’t booked well..solid hands and pros let’s say. Sometimes I think rasslin fans forget that they don’t like bullshit/bad undercards. Lots of bad eras in wwe feature impressively pointless and badly worked undercards. Early 90s for instance.

  

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59. "WELP. Vince n Bruce to produce. "
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It's gonna be:

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64. "RE: WELP. Vince n Bruce to produce. "
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>It's gonna be:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QvAs8LpmRE
>
>BIG MEATY MEN, SLAPPIN MEATS (c) Big E

This clip is so fucking funny. I had heard people reference that quote from Big E but had never seen this video. Holy shit.

The rumor mill is now saying that Vince and Bruce are just working on the look of the show and Triple H will still book it. I don’t know what to believe. I feel like that’s the current plan but Vince won’t be able to stop himself from meddling further.

  

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58. "all the lemons Tony Khan bought, but not Eli Drake/LA Knight smh"
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id rather watch LA Knight and CM Punk go back and forth on each other verbally than anything else pro wrestling has to offer me in any company. id never seen him before i started watching NWA Power in the Fall of 2019 and he's incredible.

if LA gets called up to RAW they'll ruin him, and if he gets called up to Smackdown he's gonna have to scratch and claw for TV time behind the Anoa'i fam, Becky, the Mysterios, etc.

he would have made an amazing Intercontinental Champ in the mode that we remember before the brand split, or a traditional NWA TV champion that defends his title 3x a month on tv with a promo before AND after his matches.

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44. "I really dislike Kenny Omega’s entire presentation "
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So corny

  

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48. "Agree 100%. Miro feels more like the World champ than Kenny"
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His whole schtick would be cool as the secondary belt holder but I don't like it in the main guy. Guess I'm just old/out of touch.

  

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49. "I agree about Miro"
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His "God's Favorite Champion/I love fucking my hot wife" promos are gold. We would make a great monster World Champ.

As for Omega, as I've always said, he has great matches, especially on the PPVs, but outside of a few exceptions, he sucks on the mic and it really hurts his attempts at being an asshole heel. Just let Callis do the talking.

Hopefully by the next PPV Hangman is back from spending time with his newborn kid and ready to finally take the title.

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50. "regardless of what the modern marks say..."
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its wrestlings job to be in touch with YOU

not the other way around

this shit isnt making the kind of literary revelations about human nature necessary for anyone to make a justifiable claim that wrestling can good even tho its rejected by everyone outside of a small insular niche audience.

the benchmark for good or bad has always been whether or not people like it. if you dont like it, its not that youre "out of touch" bc thats not a real thing. if you dont like it, it probably really does suck.

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51. "RE: I really dislike Kenny Omega’s entire presentation "
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>So corny

I think sometimes these wrestling nerd wrestlers try to go too ‘meta’ with their characters..especially on the heel side. Ie: Kenny knows he’s trying to be unlikable as hell even tho his matches are generally liked by the nerd wrestling crew because he’s athletic and can do a bunch of shit.

Still, it is working on me cuz he just seems like a huge jerk who deserves to get his ass kicked whenever he gets lined up against the right babyface for the job. And, similar to Flair in his king shit days, every now and then, the jackass heel has to get caught slipping. Ie: losing to Christian via death by chair-assisted finisher.

In this post-nWo/Stone Cold world, so many people involved with wrestling struggle with figuring out how to be truly heels without fucking up and becoming a tweener or antihero. From what I see, Kenny and them are going way out of their way to be as full of shit as possible to make sure they don’t get ANY ‘you’re so good at being a heel that I like you’ heat. For that, I thank them. And the babyfaces they’re trying to get over do too. I think they’re doing it right..maybe even almost too right based on folks being so ticked about them! Haha.

I don’t see them getting to XPac/go away heat yet and the matches usually work.

  

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54. "Regarding this, I agree, but they're going to have to be careful"
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>Still, it is working on me cuz he just seems like a huge jerk
>who deserves to get his ass kicked whenever he gets lined up
>against the right babyface for the job. And, similar to Flair
>in his king shit days, every now and then, the jackass heel
>has to get caught slipping. Ie: losing to Christian via death
>by chair-assisted finisher.
>
>In this post-nWo/Stone Cold world, so many people involved
>with wrestling struggle with figuring out how to be truly
>heels without fucking up and becoming a tweener or antihero.
>From what I see, Kenny and them are going way out of their way
>to be as full of shit as possible to make sure they don’t
>get ANY ‘you’re so good at being a heel that I like you’
>heat. For that, I thank them. And the babyfaces they’re
>trying to get over do too. I think they’re doing it
>right..maybe even almost too right based on folks being so
>ticked about them! Haha.

My main hope is that Omega and the Bucks don't use their EVP positions to feed their egos and know the right time to drop their respective belts. They need to be cautious, or else their reign on top is going to turn late 1997/early 1998 NWO, where everyone knew it was time to the faction to take their clean Ls, but they held on too long. It ended up helping put WCW in the grave just a few years later.

So the Bucks REALLY need to lose the cage match to the Lucha Bros. at All Out. And Omega needs to drop the title to Page (whenever he comes back from spending time with his newborn). Or Punk, if they decide to go that direction (though I'd argue Punk doesn't need the title yet).

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56. "RE: Regarding this, I agree, but they're going to have to be careful"
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>
>>Still, it is working on me cuz he just seems like a huge
>jerk
>>who deserves to get his ass kicked whenever he gets lined up
>>against the right babyface for the job. And, similar to
>Flair
>>in his king shit days, every now and then, the jackass heel
>>has to get caught slipping. Ie: losing to Christian via
>death
>>by chair-assisted finisher.
>>
>>In this post-nWo/Stone Cold world, so many people involved
>>with wrestling struggle with figuring out how to be truly
>>heels without fucking up and becoming a tweener or antihero.
>>From what I see, Kenny and them are going way out of their
>way
>>to be as full of shit as possible to make sure they don’t
>>get ANY ‘you’re so good at being a heel that I like
>you’
>>heat. For that, I thank them. And the babyfaces they’re
>>trying to get over do too. I think they’re doing it
>>right..maybe even almost too right based on folks being so
>>ticked about them! Haha.
>
>My main hope is that Omega and the Bucks don't use their EVP
>positions to feed their egos and know the right time to drop
>their respective belts. They need to be cautious, or else
>their reign on top is going to turn late 1997/early 1998 NWO,
>where everyone knew it was time to the faction to take their
>clean Ls, but they held on too long. It ended up helping put
>WCW in the grave just a few years later.
>
>So the Bucks REALLY need to lose the cage match to the Lucha
>Bros. at All Out. And Omega needs to drop the title to Page
>(whenever he comes back from spending time with his newborn).
>Or Punk, if they decide to go that direction (though I'd argue
>Punk doesn't need the title yet).

I’m with you. Wrestlers with booking stroke has lots of horror stories. Triple Haitch is the most recent one that I can remember that folks love to hate. Him beating Booker T after basically calling him a convict jiggaboo AFTER kicking out of a finisher AND doing a slow pin after a Pedigree moved the fuck out of my needle for instance. And I remember him winning other matches in situations where it made absolutely no sense. And I was knee deep into my booking the territory bag during his main run so that didn’t help either! I still subconsciously view the best days of NXT as HHH trying to make up for the worst parts of his run.

I trust Kenny to drop the title whenever they think they have the right person. They took so long to throw the AEW title on Omega that folks were complaining in the other direction (Ie: he’s supposed to be the king shit good wrestling match guy but he’s out there doing rando feuds). And I’m generally in the middle on Kenny. I like his matches well enough. I thought he was Supreme in his best NJPW stuff. That company is simple at the top. If you’re in the title matches, you’re a big deal, the matches are hard to win and they are obviously demanding physically in a southern/nwa type of way that I can easily understand. I like most of them even if I can agree that some of the kickouts can burn you out. They go out of their way to leave no doubt. They’re not regularly booking any steal the show shit.

He’s not a likable face on his own but he’s obnoxious enough in a landslide to be a ‘please lose, you shady fucker’ type of heel. He’s getting better at acting annoyed at everything related to title defenses like heels are known to do. He’s a natural at BEING annoying and overconfident. With the outfits, the wording of his promos, the cheating, and the facial hair, he’s obviously trying to be a bitch and he’s killing it so much that folks are legit pissed about him/telling themselves that he’s not doing it on purpose. This run might age really well depending on how it ends. Imagine him beating Christian, cheating like crazy to beat like Daniel Bryan or whoever, then finally getting his when Cowboy Page shows back up and does him in.

I don’t trust the Bucks, but maybe there’s someone around to cuss at them and get them off of the belts. I watched Lucha Underground until it got shaky in the 4th season so already know that I love me some Lucha Bros for ridiculous wrestling movez galore. Those mofos are usually pretty damn smooth with it all too.

  

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47. "first Punk, now…GIANNIS???"
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60. "All Out predictions?"
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I think this is gonna be a great show, even if the matches are fairly predictable.

Punk vs. Darby - I expect Punk to go over in front of a Chicago crowd, but the Masked Man show kinda made me doubt this assumption. The storyline here is he wants to face a young guy to see if he still has it. If Darby wins, that arguably makes Punk’s story more compelling. Still, I don’t think they’ll be able to avoid that hometown pop. In fact, I think this match goes on last for that reason.

Omega vs. Christian - This is obviously Omega here, but it should be entertaining enough. I just don’t think Christian is a big enough name to headline their biggest POV of the year, so I’m really not excited for it, but workrate-wise it should be popping.

Baker vs. Statlander - I like Statlander, but I don’t see any reason to take the title off of Britt yet.

Miro vs. Kingston - Another champ that’s obviously retaining, but I’m really looking forward to this match. I wish this feud had a little more time, cause these promos have been fire.

Bucks vs. Lucha Bros - I can see this going either way. Logically they should wait to take the title off of the Bucks until they can face Santana and Ortiz in New York in a couple weeks, especially since this match doesn’t have a big build. But also, I’m almost certain that none of the other titles are changing hands, so this is the most obvious candidate. Either way, this match could absolutely steal the show. Hopefully Fenix doesn’t kill himself with whatever flippy shit he does off the cage. I think it’s obvious from my avatar who I’m rooting for lol.

Women’s Battle Royale - The ol’ convoluted deck of cards gimmick! I think Ruby Soho (Riott) debuts, but doesn’t win. Maybe Jade Cargill or Thunder Rosa???

Moxley vs. Kojima - Moxley obviously. I really don’t know why they’re doing a New Japan match if they can’t get a big name here. New Japan is currently running 2 big shows this weekend and also a huge portion of their roster has been injured or dealing with COVID, so I get why it had to be one of the older guys. Kojima is fine, he just doesn’t do anything for me. Would rather see a rematch with Nagata or Kenta honestly if they can’t get one of the stars..

MJF vs. Jericho - This feud is deader than dead either way, but I really hope MJF wins here. They can find a way to get Jericho back wrestling later, just put this feather in MJF’s cap please.

The Artist Formerly Known As Big Show vs. QT Marshall - I will take a nap.

Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are there any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they do more than 2 debuts (including Ruby), but who knows?

  

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61. "RE: All Out predictions?"
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I'm torn. I really want MJF to win because he clearly deserves it and there's absolutely no value in Jericho going over, but Jericho not wrestling anymore means Jericho on commentary more and he ruins nearly every big segment he's commentating on.

>MJF vs. Jericho - This feud is deader than dead either way,
>but I really hope MJF wins here. They can find a way to get
>Jericho back wrestling later, just put this feather in MJF’s
>cap please.

  

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62. "How about Jericho winning by interference"
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to set up MJF’s next feud. Sammy?

Jericho isn’t a pure white meat babyface anyway, fans will love him winning by cheating. IMO.

  

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63. "RE: All Out predictions?"
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>I'm torn. I really want MJF to win because he clearly
>deserves it and there's absolutely no value in Jericho going
>over, but Jericho not wrestling anymore means Jericho on
>commentary more and he ruins nearly every big segment he's
>commentating on.
>

I like Jericho on commentary, but he needs to rein it in. He’s constantly turned up to 11.

  

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65. "RE: All Out predictions?"
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Yeah, this is a outlandishly stacked card. It’s almost too much really.

WWE has opened several portals to good times. The releases/not resigning they’ve been doing is helping AEW and the other companies get more decently trained talent on their rosters all up and down the card. It is a net gain for rasslin that WWE isn’t holding every decent worker hostage just to stop them from being elsewhere. They might even be going a bit far with it. But no matter. I stand by the idea that more people watching rasslin anywhere ultimately helps WWE so it’ll be fine. I feel the same way about other companies getting their feds together. More good stuff all around can help motivate WWE to get/keep their shit together too. I like it all. I’m afraid/petrified about NXT but I will survive.

I think they are gonna debut at least 3 folks tmrw. I’m guessing we get Ruby, Bryan, and at least one more person. Could be several folks really. Cole seems like the clear one who could show up and help Kenny or the Bucks retain.

I am VERY interested in seeing how they order this card. I’m guessing Punk goes on first..especially if they’re going to keep it quickish for his first match back. I have no idea when they have Jericho go on. HE could go on last to make people think he’s gonna lose for sure. I’m guessing he wins in some unclean manner.

>I think this is gonna be a great show, even if the matches
>are fairly predictable.
>
>Punk vs. Darby - I expect Punk to go over in front of a
>Chicago crowd, but the Masked Man show kinda made me doubt
>this assumption. The storyline here is he wants to face a
>young guy to see if he still has it. If Darby wins, that
>arguably makes Punk’s story more compelling. Still, I
>don’t think they’ll be able to avoid that hometown pop. In
>fact, I think this match goes on last for that reason.
>
>Omega vs. Christian - This is obviously Omega here, but it
>should be entertaining enough. I just don’t think Christian
>is a big enough name to headline their biggest POV of the
>year, so I’m really not excited for it, but workrate-wise it
>should be popping.
>
>Baker vs. Statlander - I like Statlander, but I don’t see
>any reason to take the title off of Britt yet.
>
>Miro vs. Kingston - Another champ that’s obviously
>retaining, but I’m really looking forward to this match. I
>wish this feud had a little more time, cause these promos have
>been fire.
>
>Bucks vs. Lucha Bros - I can see this going either way.
>Logically they should wait to take the title off of the Bucks
>until they can face Santana and Ortiz in New York in a couple
>weeks, especially since this match doesn’t have a big build.
>But also, I’m almost certain that none of the other titles
>are changing hands, so this is the most obvious candidate.
>Either way, this match could absolutely steal the show.
>Hopefully Fenix doesn’t kill himself with whatever flippy
>shit he does off the cage. I think it’s obvious from my
>avatar who I’m rooting for lol.
>
>Women’s Battle Royale - The ol’ convoluted deck of cards
>gimmick! I think Ruby Soho (Riott) debuts, but doesn’t win.
>Maybe Jade Cargill or Thunder Rosa???
>
>Moxley vs. Kojima - Moxley obviously. I really don’t know
>why they’re doing a New Japan match if they can’t get a
>big name here. New Japan is currently running 2 big shows this
>weekend and also a huge portion of their roster has been
>injured or dealing with COVID, so I get why it had to be one
>of the older guys. Kojima is fine, he just doesn’t do
>anything for me. Would rather see a rematch with Nagata or
>Kenta honestly if they can’t get one of the stars..
>
>MJF vs. Jericho - This feud is deader than dead either way,
>but I really hope MJF wins here. They can find a way to get
>Jericho back wrestling later, just put this feather in MJF’s
>cap please.
>
>The Artist Formerly Known As Big Show vs. QT Marshall - I will
>take a nap.
>
>Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are there
>any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they do
>more than 2 debuts (including Ruby), but who knows?

  

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66. "Agree with most of yours, but I’ll this "
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>Punk vs. Darby - I expect Punk to go over in front of a
>Chicago crowd, but the Masked Man show kinda made me doubt
>this assumption. The storyline here is he wants to face a
>young guy to see if he still has it. If Darby wins, that
>arguably makes Punk’s story more compelling. Still, I
>don’t think they’ll be able to avoid that hometown pop. In
>fact, I think this match goes on last for that reason.

Yeah, gotta be Punk here. This is REALLY what everyone is paying to see.

>Bucks vs. Lucha Bros - I can see this going either way.
>Logically they should wait to take the title off of the Bucks
>until they can face Santana and Ortiz in New York in a couple
>weeks, especially since this match doesn’t have a big build.
>But also, I’m almost certain that none of the other titles
>are changing hands, so this is the most obvious candidate.
>Either way, this match could absolutely steal the show.
>Hopefully Fenix doesn’t kill himself with whatever flippy
>shit he does off the cage. I think it’s obvious from my
>avatar who I’m rooting for lol.

Gotta be the Lucha Bros. here. In fact, I’ll be pissed if it isn’t. I think I’ve said this here before, but the Bucks whole gimmick since turning heel has been “We outsmart everyone and we get outside interference!” Then, the final Dynamite before they PPV, they pin Fenix clean and have the Elite kick the shit out of them for the mega heat segment. To not pay they off with the Lucha Bros winning in a cage match would be slopppy storytelling. It would be NWO/WCW storytelling. If they indeed want to give it to Santana and Ortiz in NY, then at least have the Lucha Bros look good in the go-home show. Or just have the Lucha Bros drop in to S & O to further the Pac/Andrade storyline.


>Women’s Battle Royale - The ol’ convoluted deck of cards
>gimmick! I think Ruby Soho (Riott) debuts, but doesn’t win.
>Maybe Jade Cargill or Thunder Rosa???

I think I read that the Britt/Thunder Rosa rematch isn’t coming until 2022. They seem to be giving Conti a lot of airtime. So maybe her?

Also, I figure the surprise will either be Ruby or Sasha. Sasha should appear at some point, given how much Miro talks about his “hot wife.0
>
>MJF vs. Jericho - This feud is deader than dead either way,
>but I really hope MJF wins here. They can find a way to get
>Jericho back wrestling later, just put this feather in MJF’s
>cap please.

I can go either way on this. The match really shouldn’t be happening. I think the better move would have been after Jericho loses, Sammy come in to take up the mantle and go over MJF. It’ll probably be Jericho, but I prefer MJF wins. I actually like Y2K a lot as a commentator. He’s got a great future as a heel color guy.

>The Artist Formerly Known As Big Show vs. QT Marshall - I will
>take a nap.

I’ll be okay with this if it ends with Agogo coming back and knocking Wight out.

>Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are there
>any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they do
>more than 2 debuts (including Ruby),

I’ve heard Danielson might be there. Cole would be good too. I’ve also heard Flair. We’ll see.

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68. "RE: Agree with most of yours, but I’ll this "
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. If they indeed want to give it to Santana and
>Ortiz in NY, then at least have the Lucha Bros look good in
>the go-home show. Or just have the Lucha Bros drop in to S & O
>to further the Pac/Andrade storyline.

True. The Lucha Bros getting beat down did have me thinking they were gonna win. They could also have the Bros win here then the Bucks win it right back or do a 3-way match to get that Santana and Ortiz title win pop in NY. I wouldn’t really be happy with a short title run for the Bros, but I’d get it.

>I think I read that the Britt/Thunder Rosa rematch isn’t
>coming until 2022. They seem to be giving Conti a lot of
>airtime. So maybe her?
>
>Also, I figure the surprise will either be Ruby or Sasha.
>Sasha should appear at some point, given how much Miro talks
>about his “hot wife.0

I thought you were talking about Banks lol. I was not familiar with Lana’s real name. I guess the field is now full so any debuts would be to play spoiler.

  

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Set your VPN to Canada then open up the FITE app. Voila, it’s now $40 instead of $50.

  

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>That's what I did
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>I think this is gonna be a great show, even if the matches
>are fairly predictable.

mostly because of this

>Punk vs. Darby - I expect Punk to go over in front of a
>Chicago crowd, but the Masked Man show kinda made me doubt
>this assumption. The storyline here is he wants to face a
>young guy to see if he still has it. If Darby wins, that
>arguably makes Punk’s story more compelling. Still, I
>don’t think they’ll be able to avoid that hometown pop. In
>fact, I think this match goes on last for that reason.

on a personal level i really dont want to engage with their storytelling. i want to see Punk whip somebody's ass and then talk shit about the next person whose ass he's going to whip. for that reason, i dont like the babyface matchup here. i could honestly see Punk be willing to do the honors here, but that doesnt really do anyone any good.

>Omega vs. Christian - This is obviously Omega here, but it
>should be entertaining enough. I just don’t think Christian
>is a big enough name to headline their biggest POV of the
>year, so I’m really not excited for it, but workrate-wise it
>should be popping.

im not into this at all. Omega has done very little to justify his title reign. this will be his 4th consecutive World Title PPV match and the last 3 have all been bad. Moxley's typical nonsense didnt help the first one at all, and then Callis was involved in the finish. then the exploding barbedwire buttfuck match. then a triple threat match that had Orange Cassidy injected into it for some reason. now a match against a guy who already pinned him despite more interference.

these are not the big fights that i was lead to believe Kenny Omega has, and when Brock Lesnar comes back to get in the face of Roman Reigns while Paul E shits himself on the outside...it really makes this title reign look amateurish. sucks to say but the belt is losing gravitas to me, and that trickles down to the rest of the card in any promotion.

additionally, there is going to be fuckery. i hope im wrong but i see this being infested with good brothers & the worst of jurassic express.

>Baker vs. Statlander - I like Statlander, but I don’t see
>any reason to take the title off of Britt yet.

ive never seen a high level championship match where one of the competitors hadnt cut a single promo on TV before the match. i dont understand this at all. I watch Elevation (best show they have imo), Dark, Dynamite, and Rampage every week and i have no idea how we got here with this.

>Miro vs. Kingston - Another champ that’s obviously
>retaining, but I’m really looking forward to this match. I
>wish this feud had a little more time, cause these promos have
>been fire.

this...is cool. miro is getting heat with me for thinking that this decent gimmick can erase the stench of the one he came in with, but im enjoying his time on TV in some form or fashion. also, religiosity is not an appealing quality for me so Eddie Kingston working as a Nuyorican Richard Dawkins is really hitting a sweet spot. "Redeem these nuts" instantly slotted in with "I dont need to paint my face to be somebody" at the top of the pile for promos in AEW.

champ retains but this should be fun.

>Bucks vs. Lucha Bros - I can see this going either way.
>Logically they should wait to take the title off of the Bucks
>until they can face Santana and Ortiz in New York in a couple
>weeks, especially since this match doesn’t have a big build.
>But also, I’m almost certain that none of the other titles
>are changing hands, so this is the most obvious candidate.
>Either way, this match could absolutely steal the show.
>Hopefully Fenix doesn’t kill himself with whatever flippy
>shit he does off the cage. I think it’s obvious from my
>avatar who I’m rooting for lol.

Booker of the year couldnt write his way into a feud for this, so we have the 50leventh AEW title match determined by tournament or battle royale. its going to be a typical Young Bucks car crash that brings their opponents down rather than building them up, and i wont remember anything that happens 24 hours later.

i have no idea how this is going to end but the AEW tag team situation is going to continue to be awful until the Young Bucks are no longer involved with it. i really couldnt care less.

>Women’s Battle Royale - The ol’ convoluted deck of cards
>gimmick! I think Ruby Soho (Riott) debuts, but doesn’t win.
>Maybe Jade Cargill or Thunder Rosa???

this will at least be entertaining. Ruby Soho is obviously the surprise entrant bc they have to play her song, but Rancid is one of my all time favortie bands and if shes good enough for Lars shes good enough for me. Thunder Rosa, Ruby Soho, Jade Cargill, Leyla Hirsch are all wrestlers I care about and would like to invesst in personally, so Im sure that means Emi Lawler....er....Sakura is going to win.

>Moxley vs. Kojima - Moxley obviously. I really don’t know
>why they’re doing a New Japan match if they can’t get a
>big name here. New Japan is currently running 2 big shows this
>weekend and also a huge portion of their roster has been
>injured or dealing with COVID, so I get why it had to be one
>of the older guys. Kojima is fine, he just doesn’t do
>anything for me. Would rather see a rematch with Nagata or
>Kenta honestly if they can’t get one of the stars..

i dont understand why this is on PPV, and I dont understand what Moxley's overall raison d'etre is at this point. if he knew how to have a "WWE style" main event match in the mold of Austin, Punk, Cena, or even Jericho, he would be fucking huge. but i dont think thats ever going to happen because he cant see the opportunities to be creative presented by the constraints of rules and ring dimensions.

>MJF vs. Jericho - This feud is deader than dead either way,
>but I really hope MJF wins here. They can find a way to get
>Jericho back wrestling later, just put this feather in MJF’s
>cap please.

hooooo boy you got that right. its almost like they shouldnt have started with War Games and done this whole thing backwards smh. credit to FTR/S&O for keeping their part of this hot, but this has been mismanaged from the get go. the labors were more laborious for me than Jericho, and thats saying something considering. Y2Js general out-of-breathness these days

>The Artist Formerly Known As Big Show vs. QT Marshall - I will
>take a nap.

another thing i dont really understand, and i didnt realize there was such a clamoring for him to wrestle that he HAS to wrestle QT on PPV tonight. someone that could talk couldve made this interesting, but that aint QT. he's a silent film actor in a talkie world.

>Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are there
>any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they do
>more than 2 debuts (including Ruby), but who knows?

i dont know but if he does it would be nice if he did it without have an elaborately designed AV spectacle. Road Warrior Animal once said his basic tenet of pro wrestling was "visualize the shoot, then work it". only Moxley has ever worked his "surprise" debut like someone showing up to kick ass and chew his last piece of bubblegum without making it about how great the company is.

i dont know if they think the world is too small to actually surprise people anymore, but thats a piss poor excuse for not presenting it that way. id much rather they do it Animal's way.





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82. "i did it. best overall AEW PPV in a long long time."
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.
>
>on a personal level i really dont want to engage with their
>storytelling. i want to see Punk whip somebody's ass and then
>talk shit about the next person whose ass he's going to whip.
>for that reason, i dont like the babyface matchup here. i
>could honestly see Punk be willing to do the honors here, but
>that doesnt really do anyone any good.

got to see a solid ass whipping and Punk worked just heek enough to create some tension. good stuff.

>im not into this at all. Omega has done very little to
>justify his title reign. this will be his 4th consecutive
>World Title PPV match and the last 3 have all been bad.
>Moxley's typical nonsense didnt help the first one at all, and
>then Callis was involved in the finish. then the exploding
>barbedwire buttfuck match. then a triple threat match that
>had Orange Cassidy injected into it for some reason. now a
>match against a guy who already pinned him despite more
>interference.
>these are not the big fights that i was lead to believe Kenny
>Omega has, and when Brock Lesnar comes back to get in the face
>of Roman Reigns while Paul E shits himself on the outside...it
>really makes this title reign look amateurish. sucks to say
>but the belt is losing gravitas to me, and that trickles down
>to the rest of the card in any promotion.
>additionally, there is going to be fuckery. i hope im wrong
>but i see this being infested with good brothers & the worst
>of jurassic express.

this had its moments, but it was definitely full of fuckery, with tables very early, a good brothers appearance, and multiple Callis spots that buried the ref. this is not my flavor of main event title match.

>ive never seen a high level championship match where one of
>the competitors hadnt cut a single promo on TV before the
>match. i dont understand this at all. I watch Elevation
>(best show they have imo), Dark, Dynamite, and Rampage every
>week and i have no idea how we got here with this.

i liked this. solid grappling, statlander has a new layer of polish, very good here-to-there title match.

>this...is cool. miro is getting heat with me for thinking
>that this decent gimmick can erase the stench of the one he
>came in with, but im enjoying his time on TV in some form or
>fashion. also, religiosity is not an appealing quality for me
>so Eddie Kingston working as a Nuyorican Richard Dawkins is
>really hitting a sweet spot. "Redeem these nuts" instantly
>slotted in with "I dont need to paint my face to be somebody"
>at the top of the pile for promos in AEW.
>champ retains but this should be fun.

this was two thumbs way up until the finish. the ref is fucking with the ring when he should be counting is bad enough, but if hes gonna throw his body in harms way to protect Miro then he needs to eat steel. it could have ended with a Kingston win at one point that would have been credible and blown the roof off. great match with a flat finish. still overall enjoyable but i dont want ref heat at all. Eddie getting to the ropes is a low key contender for moment on the night.

>Booker of the year couldnt write his way into a feud for this,
>so we have the 50leventh AEW title match determined by
>tournament or battle royale. its going to be a typical Young
>Bucks car crash that brings their opponents down rather than
>building them up, and i wont remember anything that happens 24
>hours later.
>i have no idea how this is going to end but the AEW tag team
>situation is going to continue to be awful until the Young
>Bucks are no longer involved with it. i really couldnt care
>less.

whatever, Bucks lost. they pissed on the idea of the cage, so there was that. i guess that will last in my mind but for the wrong reasons.

>this will at least be entertaining. Ruby Soho is obviously
>the surprise entrant bc they have to play her song, but Rancid
>is one of my all time favortie bands and if shes good enough
>for Lars shes good enough for me. Thunder Rosa, Ruby Soho,
>Jade Cargill, Leyla Hirsch are all wrestlers I care about and
>would like to invesst in personally, so Im sure that means Emi
>Lawler....er....Sakura is going to win.

i was into this VERY much. they ladies i liked had fun high spots and the ones that should have kicked ass did kick ass. love Ruby's selling. one of the best battle royales they've done.

>i dont understand why this is on PPV, and I dont understand
>what Moxley's overall raison d'etre is at this point. if he
>knew how to have a "WWE style" main event match in the mold of
>Austin, Punk, Cena, or even Jericho, he would be fucking huge.
>but i dont think thats ever going to happen because he cant
>see the opportunities to be creative presented by the
>constraints of rules and ring dimensions.

this was a good cold match, and im not hating the idea of occupying Jon Moxley with NJPW one offs for the next 6 months.


>hooooo boy you got that right. its almost like they shouldnt
>have started with War Games and done this whole thing
>backwards smh. credit to FTR/S&O for keeping their part of
>this hot, but this has been mismanaged from the get go. the
>labors were more laborious for me than Jericho, and thats
>saying something considering. Y2Js general out-of-breathness
>these days

i was ready to eat my words and talk about how much i liked this right up until the finish, a disturbing trend in an otherwise strong show.

>another thing i dont really understand, and i didnt realize
>there was such a clamoring for him to wrestle that he HAS to
>wrestle QT on PPV tonight. someone that could talk couldve
>made this interesting, but that aint QT. he's a silent film
>actor in a talkie world.

i was sufficiently let up.

>>Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are
>there
>>any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they
>do
>>more than 2 debuts (including Ruby), but who knows?
>i dont know but if he does it would be nice if he did it
>without have an elaborately designed AV spectacle. Road
>Warrior Animal once said his basic tenet of pro wrestling was
>"visualize the shoot, then work it". only Moxley has ever
>worked his "surprise" debut like someone showing up to kick
>ass and chew his last piece of bubblegum without making it
>about how great the company is.
>i dont know if they think the world is too small to actually
>surprise people anymore, but thats a piss poor excuse for not
>presenting it that way. id much rather they do it Animal's
>way.

heavily produced AV packages for both. Danielson's music lends itself well to the situation but it seems too Vaudeville to have so much gaga ready for them right off the bat.


overall tho good stuff with good commentary. finishes left some things to be desired.

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85. "RE: i did it. best overall AEW PPV in a long long time."
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I’m with you on Moxley. Moxley’s name is big enough that throwing him into those ‘special’ matches is probably great for relationship-building with other feds. And he seems like the type who loves doing the rando indy stuff and AEW lets him. I hope he eventually gets Tanahashi as a big NJPW payoff. I dare not even expect for it to go all the way to Okada. Oddly enough, I think a Christian/Okada match would be a party.

I have to keep remembering that the Bucks and Kenny are huge nWo folks so cluster endings are their jam even when they’re faces. It works slightly better for them as ‘be bitches when the heat comes’ heels. It worked like a damn charm for both Cole and Bryan. Cool heels who don’t heel ever are the worst. Kenny and them are heat-having heels. Kenny’s title loss is gonna go great if they don’t wait 2 years to do it. And Kevin Nash and Hall didn’t come close to working hard during most of that nWo run. Kenny and them put their shit on the line pretty much every time out.

Women’s wrestling is in a golden age too, isn’t it? So many of these woman across the industry can go. And some can do the character stuff too. It’s fun to see. Britt Baker has that Charlotte thing where she can turn on a speed/intensity near a finish/false finish that makes all the difference in matches. We are a long way from ‘women = bathroom or fix a plate’. And even some of the green ones have a bunch of folks around to help them get their shit together. Ie: Jade, the big girl is in NWA, and Lacey Evans.

>.
>>
>>on a personal level i really dont want to engage with their
>>storytelling. i want to see Punk whip somebody's ass and
>then
>>talk shit about the next person whose ass he's going to whip.
>
>>for that reason, i dont like the babyface matchup here. i
>>could honestly see Punk be willing to do the honors here,
>but
>>that doesnt really do anyone any good.
>
>got to see a solid ass whipping and Punk worked just heek
>enough to create some tension. good stuff.
>
>>im not into this at all. Omega has done very little to
>>justify his title reign. this will be his 4th consecutive
>>World Title PPV match and the last 3 have all been bad.
>>Moxley's typical nonsense didnt help the first one at all,
>and
>>then Callis was involved in the finish. then the exploding
>>barbedwire buttfuck match. then a triple threat match that
>>had Orange Cassidy injected into it for some reason. now a
>>match against a guy who already pinned him despite more
>>interference.
>>these are not the big fights that i was lead to believe
>Kenny
>>Omega has, and when Brock Lesnar comes back to get in the
>face
>>of Roman Reigns while Paul E shits himself on the
>outside...it
>>really makes this title reign look amateurish. sucks to say
>>but the belt is losing gravitas to me, and that trickles
>down
>>to the rest of the card in any promotion.
>>additionally, there is going to be fuckery. i hope im wrong
>>but i see this being infested with good brothers & the worst
>>of jurassic express.
>
>this had its moments, but it was definitely full of fuckery,
>with tables very early, a good brothers appearance, and
>multiple Callis spots that buried the ref. this is not my
>flavor of main event title match.
>
>>ive never seen a high level championship match where one of
>>the competitors hadnt cut a single promo on TV before the
>>match. i dont understand this at all. I watch Elevation
>>(best show they have imo), Dark, Dynamite, and Rampage every
>>week and i have no idea how we got here with this.
>
>i liked this. solid grappling, statlander has a new layer of
>polish, very good here-to-there title match.
>
>>this...is cool. miro is getting heat with me for thinking
>>that this decent gimmick can erase the stench of the one he
>>came in with, but im enjoying his time on TV in some form or
>>fashion. also, religiosity is not an appealing quality for
>me
>>so Eddie Kingston working as a Nuyorican Richard Dawkins is
>>really hitting a sweet spot. "Redeem these nuts" instantly
>>slotted in with "I dont need to paint my face to be
>somebody"
>>at the top of the pile for promos in AEW.
>>champ retains but this should be fun.
>
>this was two thumbs way up until the finish. the ref is
>fucking with the ring when he should be counting is bad
>enough, but if hes gonna throw his body in harms way to
>protect Miro then he needs to eat steel. it could have ended
>with a Kingston win at one point that would have been credible
>and blown the roof off. great match with a flat finish.
>still overall enjoyable but i dont want ref heat at all.
>Eddie getting to the ropes is a low key contender for moment
>on the night.
>
>>Booker of the year couldnt write his way into a feud for
>this,
>>so we have the 50leventh AEW title match determined by
>>tournament or battle royale. its going to be a typical
>Young
>>Bucks car crash that brings their opponents down rather than
>>building them up, and i wont remember anything that happens
>24
>>hours later.
>>i have no idea how this is going to end but the AEW tag team
>>situation is going to continue to be awful until the Young
>>Bucks are no longer involved with it. i really couldnt care
>>less.
>
>whatever, Bucks lost. they pissed on the idea of the cage, so
>there was that. i guess that will last in my mind but for the
>wrong reasons.
>
>>this will at least be entertaining. Ruby Soho is obviously
>>the surprise entrant bc they have to play her song, but
>Rancid
>>is one of my all time favortie bands and if shes good enough
>>for Lars shes good enough for me. Thunder Rosa, Ruby Soho,
>>Jade Cargill, Leyla Hirsch are all wrestlers I care about
>and
>>would like to invesst in personally, so Im sure that means
>Emi
>>Lawler....er....Sakura is going to win.
>
>i was into this VERY much. they ladies i liked had fun high
>spots and the ones that should have kicked ass did kick ass.
>love Ruby's selling. one of the best battle royales they've
>done.
>
>>i dont understand why this is on PPV, and I dont understand
>>what Moxley's overall raison d'etre is at this point. if he
>>knew how to have a "WWE style" main event match in the mold
>of
>>Austin, Punk, Cena, or even Jericho, he would be fucking
>huge.
>>but i dont think thats ever going to happen because he cant
>>see the opportunities to be creative presented by the
>>constraints of rules and ring dimensions.
>
>this was a good cold match, and im not hating the idea of
>occupying Jon Moxley with NJPW one offs for the next 6
>months.
>
>
>>hooooo boy you got that right. its almost like they
>shouldnt
>>have started with War Games and done this whole thing
>>backwards smh. credit to FTR/S&O for keeping their part of
>>this hot, but this has been mismanaged from the get go. the
>>labors were more laborious for me than Jericho, and thats
>>saying something considering. Y2Js general out-of-breathness
>>these days
>
>i was ready to eat my words and talk about how much i liked
>this right up until the finish, a disturbing trend in an
>otherwise strong show.
>
>>another thing i dont really understand, and i didnt realize
>>there was such a clamoring for him to wrestle that he HAS to
>>wrestle QT on PPV tonight. someone that could talk couldve
>>made this interesting, but that aint QT. he's a silent film
>>actor in a talkie world.
>
>i was sufficiently let up.
>
>>>Now the big question is: does Bryan Danielson debut? Are
>>there
>>>any other big debuts (like Adam Cole)? I don’t think they
>>do
>>>more than 2 debuts (including Ruby), but who knows?
>>i dont know but if he does it would be nice if he did it
>>without have an elaborately designed AV spectacle. Road
>>Warrior Animal once said his basic tenet of pro wrestling
>was
>>"visualize the shoot, then work it". only Moxley has ever
>>worked his "surprise" debut like someone showing up to kick
>>ass and chew his last piece of bubblegum without making it
>>about how great the company is.
>>i dont know if they think the world is too small to actually
>>surprise people anymore, but thats a piss poor excuse for
>not
>>presenting it that way. id much rather they do it Animal's
>>way.
>
>heavily produced AV packages for both. Danielson's music
>lends itself well to the situation but it seems too Vaudeville
>to have so much gaga ready for them right off the bat.
>
>
>overall tho good stuff with good commentary. finishes left
>some things to be desired.

  

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69. "Smackdown and Rampage"
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Is a fun 1-2 punch of rasslin. AEW roster is big enough at this point that they can probably keep that show pretty decent for a while to come. This group has mentioned how just watching Dynamite would mean you basically don’t see some folks wrestle. Rampage fills in the blanks in a good way. And it’s quick.

And Smackdown is WWE’s best foot forward at this point so I dig it too. Reigns as the show’s overlord is good fucking times every week. Too a bad they couldn’t get Brock to do the same thing for Raw during his last run. There’s shows where Reigns doesn’t throw a punch but he’s always somehow involved. It works on me like a mofo.

>We have:
>
>Saturday Summerfest with some pretty big matches. Reigns/Cena
>has the heat and they're both too good for it to be bad.
>
>Sunday NXT. It may be one of the last of this era of NXT if
>the rumors are to be believed. I'm happy to see fugging Samoa
>Joe again. That's for sure.
>
>Phil (and Daniel Bryan) are (allegedly) coming to AEW. Kenny
>Omega is going around with Harley Race facial hair and being a
>ridiculous heel goofball character who people want to see
>lose. And he is SELLING HIS ASS OFF during matches. He sold
>that Christian Killswitch like it was a burning hammer.
>
>Some of the 'ex-WWE' folks are finding their place around the
>world. In AEW, Rusev looks great and is having good matches
>while anchoring the TV title. Malaki Black MOPPED Cody and
>might actually be taken seriously for a while now. For TNA,
>Deonna's big fine self is doing work and Christian is back and
>he's still really good. Now, he can go and try to help Impact
>stay on its course to being a decent rasslin program worth
>thumbing through from time to time.
>
>Zoomed out, I'm really happy to see how many 'this person
>might not ever wrestle again' people we have on the scene
>right now. Christian. Phil. Bryan. SAMOA DAMN JOE! Hell, even
>Reigns and Cena! Edge! Even someone like Sasha Banks was
>looking to be a shaky bet to be back for a while there. At
>some point, we're getting Becky again too. And now that we
>know what was up with Keef Lee? Whew!! Even crazy ass Ospreay
>is hinting at coming back now. This all seems pretty good to
>me!
>
>And really...
>
>I'm old enough to remember Magnum TA never making it back in
>the ring. I also remember Dynamite Kid. If we're being honest,
>we should remember how much time even a guy like Stone Cold
>spent on ice during his main run. Anyway, I don't take all of
>these folks being around again lightly at all. Even now, we
>have Bray somewhere dealing with stuff. And forreal, Harper
>just smooth died. AKA we can't just assume that these folks
>are gonna be around forever for us to do the internet complain
>festival shit about. So, don't let all of these rebook every
>segment podcasts and tweets trick you. Negativity is obviously
>their business model. Don't fall for it. If you look around,
>there's some fun shit going on.

  

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71. "Big E skulking around Paul E has been getting over big with me"
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Big E can work, and we're about to see if Roman has reached that level of class where he can make Big E a main event star while beating him

but beyond that, Corbin has been awesome for me. the usos have been having incredible *TV matches*, seemingly a lost art. Kayla Braxton alowly driving Paul E off a cliff has been great to me. Edge and Seth Rollins are keeping their feud an actual feud. even Rick Boogs is working for me. i wasn't watching most of Dolph Zigglers career but ill take as much of that as possible too.

the format of WWE television still grates on my nerves, but Smackdown has been enjoyable for me the last few weeks/months

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72. "RE: Big E skulking around Paul E has been getting over big with me"
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>Big E can work, and we're about to see if Roman has reached
>that level of class where he can make Big E a main event star
>while beating him
>
>but beyond that, Corbin has been awesome for me. the usos
>have been having incredible *TV matches*, seemingly a lost
>art. Kayla Braxton alowly driving Paul E off a cliff has been
>great to me. Edge and Seth Rollins are keeping their feud an
>actual feud. even Rick Boogs is working for me. i wasn't
>watching most of Dolph Zigglers career but ill take as much of
>that as possible too.
>
>the format of WWE television still grates on my nerves, but
>Smackdown has been enjoyable for me the last few weeks/months

Yes..weekly TV format industry-wide is so bloated/meant to eat time that it forces you into starting late and having your fast forward game tight. That's how a Rampage works on me as well. They're trying to pack it with 1 or 2 angles, 1-3 solid matches, maybe a squash or two, then get on outta there. I can dig it. Imagine if Raw ever felt like they were truly trying to pack it tight with a slew of actual stuff that somehow fits in and matters in some way...

But that damn Paul is doing top end work. And, kinda like Russo CLAIMED he did, the whole show has some kind of weight to it. The midcard has super strong shit going (Edge/Rollins like you mentioned) on plus some folks trying to build themselves up.

And Ziggler!? Man, you missed him with Big E and AJ Lee? That was a good time. Then, they yo yo'd him up and down the card aimlessly until I basically couldn't stand to see him. And I almost hold it against him that he didn't leave when he had the chances. I was dying for him to do the Cody, McIntyre, AJ Styles, Andrade, Nakamura, etcetera 'take a chance on yourself' thing however it ended up happening. Staying with WWE, at least for me, was like Dolph saying 'yeah, I'll take the money and kick it in catering even if I know I'm never gonna be anything major here'.

Real talk: I'm kinda looking at Adam Cole like I was looking at Ziggler. If WWE says out loud that they are going away from small/indy dudes and looking for studs/hosses/large folks that they can hopefully turn into 'superstars', they're basically saying out loud that they aren't interested in Adam Cole unless he's gonna be there to get beat up by stiffs while trying to coach them up to not suck. I could be WRONG and maybe they're going to take him to the moon cuz he's good at everything wrestling-wise and someone has been able to sell Vince on him. But really..that doesn't seem realistic to me. We're gonna see! I hope he's not gonna be a little Ziggler 3 years from now. And his fine ass ladyfriend and his old buddies are in AEW too? AND they're throwing money around? Seems like he needs to be there.

  

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91. "all ive seen of DZ is the last 2 months of smachdown"
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before June i hadn't watched a full episode of WWE television since the year 2000. since then ive been an every week SD watcher after just watching Roman's stuff for like a year or so. thats how much Dolph Ziggler ive seen thus far lol

i know OF stuff...but ive seen *nothing*. even to this day ive seen more episodes of 605 TBS television than Monday Night Raw episodes.

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75. "goddamn i hate being mad at a ref."
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there was a right and wrong way of doing that, and they fucked it up.

hes gotta get bumped for that to work.

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76. "Jericho/MJF was INCREDIBLE"
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OLD-SCHOOL STORYTELLING STILL WORKS

  

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77. "Tony and JR still know how to call pro wrestling"
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when they have some to call

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78. "because that's their pace, the RIGHT pace"
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79. "they were good in the TNT and women's title matches too"
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also very good in this match

massive W for the commentary team tonight

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80. "Punk/Darby was good too!!!"
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84. "RE: Punk/Darby was good too!!!"
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>

Darby looked excellent again. I’m in on that kid for sure. At first, I thought ‘ridiculously small, not with it’. But he throws his weight around something serious. That dive of his is PHYSICAL.

And Phil looked roughly Edge good on his first thing back. Aka I’m pleased with Punk. And, true to a lot of the crowing he laid down during his downtime, he obviously went out of his way to make Darby look good af. And that Punk heel turn/run is gonna be EXCELLENT. I’d be shocked if it doesn’t happen by end of next year at the latest.

  

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81. "debuting AC and Danielson 3 minutes apart = dumb but exhilarating "
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83. "RE: debuting AC and Danielson 3 minutes apart = dumb but exhilarating "
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Yep. This is fun. It reminds of when I watched Midsouth, WWF, NWA, and even a little AWA. Not being cult committed to any one fed seems like a fun way to enjoy this stuff. If folks can deactivate the ‘I can only care about the show that is the best right now’, or some kind of brand war/this OR that type internet argument bullshit, fun could be had by anyone who just likes rasslin. Maybe I’m just old and I loved wrestling well befor nWo/Attitude Era so I don’t feel like Vince is going to cut me out of a will if I watch other stufff.

WWE is going bigger/hoss/ex-athlete. And they have some grand folks who fit that. Reigns works now and it’s gonna keep going for like another half decade.

There’s a slew of dudes who aren’t big who can go and be good overall. And clearly, WWE doesn’t mind cutting these small dudes as well as people who fit what the rumors are saying they’re going for. So AEW has choices and money. When they started, a big question was ‘who can they even sign away to go with the New Japan dudes and the rando indy folks?’. Now, that question has a growing list of answers that most reasonable people would have been happy with if it had been provided to them 3 years ago.

They got Jericho to start off. He got fat, got fit again, and is still over af. And he’s helping people. After that: Tommy End. Adam Cole. Bryan Danielson. Christian. Rusev. Any dude from the Shield even if it was ‘just Ambrose’ would’ve been cool. Even a guy like Andrade. Oh, and they got CM Punk out of retirement after WWE fumbled a shot at him and it looks like he can pretty much still wrestle.

So….What’s the problem!? I see folks online and have friends IRL who are acting like this AEW is WCW 2000. I keep saying ‘clearly you didn’t see or you can’t remember 2000 WCW if you think AEW right now is that shit’.

I’m not even saying they’re the best or perfect. But it’s pretty easy to see they’re on the way up as long as they can settle it all in. And it would help if folks can quit making up wild standards to hold them to that no show basically ever could stand up to with any regularity. My random raw/Superstars/Nitro/whatever challenge still stands.

  

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86. "I've seen people with this take, and I disagree"
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Danielson showing up that night was the second worst kept secret ever for AEW, and the Adam Cole appearance made for great TV. Having him come in and then drag his eventual turn on for a month would have been pointless. His presence revitalizes the Elite (I care shitload about him more than the Good Brothers). Besides, if they'd brought out Cole at the end of All Out and waited for Bryan to appear in NY, people would complain that they shouldn't be giving it away on free TV.

I'm actually excited to see the Elite vs. Danielson, Christian, and Jurassic Express. I haven't been excited to see much from the Elite since they turned heel.

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90. "i want them to not do it like Raw tho"
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im reminded of a great line from "Tremors". Fred Ward's character asked Keving Bacon if hed ever heard of something like the graboids. he says "Oh sure Earl, everybody knew about it. We just didnt tell you!"

whats the point of a 75% of a shoot angle?

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87. "Best show of the year"
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Miro-Kingston and Moxley-Kojima were both hard-hitting as hell. Perfect way to start. Apologies to Kojima for not being excited about the matchup. He’s stuck in so many boring multi-man tag matches that I forget he can still bring it in singles matches when called upon. Moxley’s face when Minoru came out was priceless. I’d imagine there’s only a handful of wrestlers who can make Mox say “fuck” just by showing up. He’s a badass and I can’t wait for that match.

Baker-Statlander was really good. The right wrestler won, but they established Kris as nearly indestructible and the crowd really liked her, which surprised me given how popular Baker is. Britt even got some boos when she was giving the boot to Kris in the corner.

The tag title match was incredible. I’m biased obviously, but I thought it was match of the night. Once I saw the Lucha Bros entrance, I knew they had to win. Been following these guys since Lucha Underground and I’m so happy for them. Penta’s gear was sick too. Great moment with Penta protecting Fenix from the thumbtack kick. Plus we got the safest spot Fenix could’ve done from the top of the cage. Hope Penta’s kids aren’t traumatized after getting a bloody hug from him!

I hated the battle royale until it got down to the last few wrestlers, then it saved itself. This format needs to go though. You’re trying to have 5 people enter in succession and have a moment with the crowd, but they can’t really make an impression with another person entering seconds later. It’s a mess. That being said, Ruby was over as hell and I think her and Rosa will eventually become a tag team, which would be great.

I thought this was the perfect way to book a Jericho win. You give the crowd what they want and MJF gets to still claim victory. That’s all a heel needs really. I loved MJF trolling people with the countdown too. That Fozzy guitarist needed to slow tf down though lol. He was more concerned with getting his guitar skills over than allowing the crowd to sing along.

I don’t even think Punk-Darby completely lived up to the hype (it was close), but it was still very entertaining. Loved learning about the references to Bret vs. 1-2-3 afterward. It’s a testament to the quality of the rest of the show that this wasn’t even a highlight for me.

I blacked out during Big Show vs. QT. I actually thought Bryan might debut here to beat the shit out of both of them and save the crowd from this.

Kenny-Christian was better than I was expecting. I’m not a huge Christian fan, but it still somehow had a big fight feel. The double debut was expertly pulled off. Just brilliant stuff.

  

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88. "Guitarist definitely went into business for himself "
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89. "Guy thought it was a solo Fozzy concert"
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With some wrestling happening on the side.

  

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97. "was it not intented to be overwraught and self-indulgent?"
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in Jericho's mind he was the aging gunfighter walking down to the OK Corral

I assumed it was supposed to be exactly what it was

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99. "i liked the idea of it, but the execution sucked"
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>in Jericho's mind he was the aging gunfighter walking down to
>the OK Corral
>
>I assumed it was supposed to be exactly what it was

i think the guitarist played the song a little faster than it usually is, and the crowd sang a little slower than they usually do cause they didn't have lyrics to follow along to. either way, the guitarist has to listen to the crowd and slow tf down.

  

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100. "Nah, he ignored the memo about the crowd singing"
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He played that at like 3x speed. Then did a self serving solo at the end when he was supposed to turn down and let 'Judas in my mind' get yelled.

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101. "idk man."
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he was playing the vocal melody on the guitar, and not the actual sheet music for the guitar part

my personal guess is that Jericho told him to shred and he hoped the crowd would get the idea and lay out rather than ruining the solo

thinking the fans could overcome their urge to be part of the show is a silly idea but hes had nothing but silly ideas for the last 18 months

i need an official word on this lmao

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92. "It was a whole lot of fun,"
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I thought it would be good, but Miro vs. Kingston absolutely exceeded my expectations. An incredibly well-executed Hoss fight with great psychology and an excellent finish.

Moxley vs. Kojima was even more stiff than I was anticipating. And I've even more hyped for the Minoru match. That was also set up perfectly.

>Baker-Statlander was really good. The right wrestler won, but
>they established Kris as nearly indestructible and the crowd
>really liked her, which surprised me given how popular Baker
>is. Britt even got some boos when she was giving the boot to
>Kris in the corner.

I can see Statlander winning the title in the future. And she was crazy over with the crowd. I was surprised to hear some of those boos for Britt, which showed that she worked the match well.

>The tag title match was incredible. I’m biased obviously,
>but I thought it was match of the night. Once I saw the Lucha
>Bros entrance, I knew they had to win. Been following these
>guys since Lucha Underground and I’m so happy for them.
>Penta’s gear was sick too. Great moment with Penta
>protecting Fenix from the thumbtack kick. Plus we got the
>safest spot Fenix could’ve done from the top of the cage.
>Hope Penta’s kids aren’t traumatized after getting a
>bloody hug from him!

That was the match of the next. Probably the second best match I've seen all year. They hit the right spots, made things look appropriately grim for Fenix and Penta, and then wrapped it all up the way they need to (though they could have given a few more shots to the Bucks with the spiked shoe). And since a lot of the tag teams are finally coming back from injury and other setbacks, now's the perfect time for AEW's tag division to be revitalized. Give me the Lucha Bros. fighting every week.


>I hated the battle royale until it got down to the last few
>wrestlers, then it saved itself. This format needs to go
>though. You’re trying to have 5 people enter in succession
>and have a moment with the crowd, but they can’t really make
>an impression with another person entering seconds later.
>It’s a mess. That being said, Ruby was over as hell and I
>think her and Rosa will eventually become a tag team, which
>would be great.

Eh, I liked it. It didn't overstay it's welcome, and the people who clearly had no chance were eliminated quickly (aside from the Bunny). But Ruby coming in was a great moment, and the finish kept Thunder Rosa strong.

>I thought this was the perfect way to book a Jericho win. You
>give the crowd what they want and MJF gets to still claim
>victory. That’s all a heel needs really. I loved MJF
>trolling people with the countdown too.

Man, that Countdown video was God-level trolling. One of the homies I was watching with gave him a standing ovation for. And while I usually roll my eyes at Dusty finishes, it didn't feel cheap here. Only thing I thought should have happened, but didn't, was Jericho somehow getting the ring from Aubrey and clocking MJF with it.

>I don’t even think Punk-Darby completely lived up to the
>hype (it was close), but it was still very entertaining.

Punk did look a bit rusty, but he did enough to pull it off. And he did sorta wrestle like a heel for chunks of the match too.

>Loved learning about the references to Bret vs. 1-2-3 afterward.
>It’s a testament to the quality of the rest of the show that
>this wasn’t even a highlight for me.

Huh, I'm not up on this. Have to read about the references.

>I blacked out during Big Show vs. QT. I actually thought Bryan
>might debut here to beat the shit out of both of them and save
>the crowd from this.

At under three minutes it was painless. I expected it to be the cool down match after the tag team title match. One of my other homies also suspected that it was going to be a switch wit Bryan debuting there as well.

>Kenny-Christian was better than I was expecting. I’m not a
>huge Christian fan, but it still somehow had a big fight feel.
>The double debut was expertly pulled off. Just brilliant
>stuff.

Very, very good match and also better than I expected. And of course the last 10 minutes of the show overall were great.

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93. "Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)"
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94. "RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)"
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>https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTeelRQl3RY/

That’s really fun. Mix that with the initials on the shows and Punk is doing great so far.

I also love that he pointed at the heel tunnel on his way to the back. His heel run might be flat out excellent if he figures out how to get booed.

  

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95. "RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)"
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>I also love that he pointed at the heel tunnel on his way to
>the back. His heel run might be flat out excellent if he
>figures out how to get booed.

I was dying at that. And when the crowd chanted “Welcome back” and he points to Darby and goes “Him? Or Me?… Oh okay.”

  

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96. "RE: Bret v Kid / Punk v Darby comparison supercut (awesome!)"
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>
>>I also love that he pointed at the heel tunnel on his way to
>>the back. His heel run might be flat out excellent if he
>>figures out how to get booed.
>
>I was dying at that. And when the crowd chanted “Welcome
>back” and he points to Darby and goes “Him? Or Me?… Oh
>okay.”
>

A cool thing about all of these migrations and moves around the industry is that it seems like more folks are openly selling to us that they are where they want to be AND they have some kind of mission whether its a shoot, a storyline, or both. WWE is being forced to make this more of a thing for more of their workers and I like it all.

Bryan wants to G0DD@MN WRESTLE against random nerdy wrestler around the industry on his way to retirement, being a dad, and planting some trees.

Punk wants to like the people he works with, give some young people the same rub he was dying to get in WWE, and make some money off of something that he thought he was done with 7 years ago. (Tony Kahn and crew deserve big credit for talking him into the building. The shows and amped crowds are already paying it back).

Edge wants to make up for lost time and show that he was and is great on the biggest show there is vs the biggest stars.

Christian is doing the same as Edge but starting from a 'lower' standing on a smaller stage cuz he couldn't get what he wanted from WWE to do it there. You know he has to have a big chip about it too.

AJ wants to make a few more dollars and help newer folks now that he's proven that he wasn't just a 'TNA/indy guy'. And he got hand-picked by Taker for his last Mania. That's one helluva feather.

Reigns wants to fully make good on being THE GUY that Vince has been dying for him to be this whole time. Oh, and please acknowledge him and appreciate that Leukemia didn't Magnum TA him.

Deonna on Impact wants to prove that she can work for real and WWE had it wrong to toss her out without giving her a run.

Jericho wanted to prove that he could be a foundational superstar for a brand new fed to build itself up on until they could get some folks over and/or bring in some more established folks so that it wasn't Jericho or bust. Mission: complete. Wrestlers want to be in AEW. The money is good. The mood and schedule is too. And people are being convinced that they can be 'important' to the fed in some way.

Ospreay wants to prove that he can be the top stuff gaijin in Japan even though they picked a bunch of folks over him for years.

It's all really cool to see.

  

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98. "I agree, though I don't like how this leads to some spiteful promos"
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for a while all the former WWE wrestlers who made the jump to AEW were cutting promos saying "you're really gonna see what i'm made of now that i'm not with those other guys." or they'd make references to not having the right look/being held down/grabbing the brass ring, yadda yadda yadda. that kind of thing loses it's edge very quickly, especially when 10 people have given versions of that promo before. just show me what we were missing without telling me why we were missing it.

this trend does seem to have calmed down, although Punk saying that he wasn't a pro wrestler when he was with WWE made me roll my eyes.

  

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102. "Who’s “The Elite” for?"
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Omega, Bucks, and a half dozen bums. Silly music. I know I gripe about this a lot, but for being the top program The Elite’s portrayal is just so shitty.

Adam Cole is a more obvious star than Omega

  

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103. "themselves mostly"
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they're totally devoid of value as a television product, including Omega's vastly overrated in ring work

i was led to believe he was way more than what he is. i would call his title reign a disappointment if i hadnt been expecting it to suck right of the bat. his matches are terrible and riddled with fuckery, and he doesnt seem to know how people talk in real life.

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108. "Their YouTube subscribers"
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Which they have confused with a national audience.

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104. "im not sure how to say this, but this was great and awful simultaneously"
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Taz/Tony/JR had the best commentary performance in Dynamite's 2 year history, the matches were all okay to quite good, MJF/Pillman is great, The Acclaimed are back, FTR will be back on TV now that the Bucks dont need to keep them on ice, and Tully Blanchard cut a promo on Sting which reminded me why ive hated him my whole life

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but this stupid fucking format is numbing me to everything. every match needs an afterbirth, the officiating is still a joke, nothing has time to breathe before its on to the next thing, i think they fucked up a *pre-tape* bc Britt Baker apparently didnt know when it was supposed to air...just really amateurish in terms of formatting a TV show. if Tony Khan hired a real life professional booker this shit could be fire. but until then its gonna continue to be less than the sum of its parts.

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106. "Thank you! That was a bad show!"
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I thought the show boiled down to pandering to a) nerd smarks and b) Cincinnati … al while AEW had presumably the biggest audience they’ve ever had since Dynamite Week 1

Like, I think Goldust is one of the most underrated workers ever…but off the hottest PPV in ages you’re gonna open the show with a Goldust match? Hm.

And, like I said above, the Elite are garbage as a “faction”. Someone else has said it in this thread already but if you compare the way Reigns is presented vs the way Omega is presented , one looks like a top guy and one looks Backyard AF.

  

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107. "RE: Thank you! That was a bad show!"
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Miro seems more like the World Champ than Kenny but hey, maybe it's just me.

  

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109. "thats what it usually is"
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>I thought the show boiled down to pandering to a) nerd smarks

the weirdly sexualized Japanese women that look like children are for them too

>Like, I think Goldust is one of the most underrated workers
>ever…but off the hottest PPV in ages you’re gonna open the
>show with a Goldust match? Hm.

im fine with this. It was a Malakai Black match against a guy people love and can do convincing work. It was almost like an epilogue to the PPV with a guy that probably should have been on it.

>And, like I said above, the Elite are garbage as a
>“faction”. Someone else has said it in this thread already
>but if you compare the way Reigns is presented vs the way
>Omega is presented , one looks like a top guy and one looks
>Backyard AF.

i think that was me lol

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110. "Omega is Tully, but thinks he's Ric Flair"
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There's nothing *WRONG* with being Tully - he was a good promo, had some fire matches, and worked some wonderful programs. But even if you put a suit on him he's not the stylin', profilin', wheelin' dealin' kiss-stealin' son of a gun that all the women wanted and all the men wanted to be like.

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111. "What, they should started it off with a 20-minute promo like it was..."
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...RAW in 2003?
>
>Like, I think Goldust is one of the most underrated workers
>ever…but off the hottest PPV in ages you’re gonna open the
>show with a Goldust match? Hm.

No, after the PPV recap, they started the show with a Malachi Black match, the bad-ass, already hugely over heel. And then they increased his bad-ass bonafides while continuing his story about going through the Rhodes family.

Then they brought out Punk and he played to the crowd and set up his next story. They set up the next women's title match, had an epic heel promo from MJF, and set up matches for Friday's Rampage. Then brought out the Elite and Bryan Danielson and started setting up that program, which start REALLY kick into gear with the stadium show in NY. And finished it up with the hometown hero and still one of the most popular faces in the company going over. Worked for me.


>And, like I said above, the Elite are garbage as a
>“faction”. Someone else has said it in this thread already
>but if you compare the way Reigns is presented vs the way
>Omega is presented , one looks like a top guy and one looks
>Backyard AF.

I'm certainly not a fan of most of the Elite when they're not actually wrestling, but Adam Cole makes them a ton more interesting. And he'll have his first match in the company next week.

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112. "my point is, the show wasn't programmed to recruit new viewers"
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it was the same style of show they've been doing, not taking into account the major wave of buzz they'd created at ALL OUT.

If someone was tuning into Dynamite for the first time, leading off with a Goldust/Malachi Black match when we've been hearing about DB and CM Punk for days is, to me, not the move. (I don't think taking Punk from Sting/Darby right into a program with midcarders who aren't always on the show is the move either, but to each his own)

EDIT: and also, your point about the Moxley match kind of proves my point about pandering to Cincinnati. There was nothing last night about Moxley or specifically that match that was especially impressive. People expected a war between a top guy and a Japanese legend, what they got was a clumsy 8 minute fist fight with a 3 minute interrupting commercial break.

  

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113. "RE: my point is, the show wasn't programmed to recruit new viewers"
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>it was the same style of show they've been doing, not taking
>into account the major wave of buzz they'd created at ALL OUT.
>
>
>If someone was tuning into Dynamite for the first time,
>leading off with a Goldust/Malachi Black match when we've been
>hearing about DB and CM Punk for days is, to me, not the move.
>(I don't think taking Punk from Sting/Darby right into a
>program with midcarders who aren't always on the show is the
>move either, but to each his own)
>
>EDIT: and also, your point about the Moxley match kind of
>proves my point about pandering to Cincinnati. There was
>nothing last night about Moxley or specifically that match
>that was especially impressive. People expected a war between
>a top guy and a Japanese legend, what they got was a clumsy 8
>minute fist fight with a 3 minute interrupting commercial
>break.

This is probably true. At worst, AEW makes a lot of assumptions: they assume people have watched something other than WWF/WWE at some point in the last 30 years. They assume that people take in both the positive and negative blabbing from the innanet. And they assume that everyone is wrestling nerds who grew up on 90s rasslin and early 2000s video games like most of them did. They assume that they can program a big audience the same way WWE programs theirs. They’re also assuming that people get how WWE is programming folks to not gaf about basically anyone on their shows because they want to be able to switch people out whenever the fuck they feel like it.

Tangent: And that WWE ‘the show is the star’ program is working like a mofo with some folks. They can be all about Bray Wyatt one year then immediately call him fat trash when WWE drops him / gives fine ass Bliss his last gimmick. There’s WWE fans who are already comfortable hating on ‘those little indy guys on NXT’ because they heard about the new direction for nxt. And now, all of a sudden, Adam Cole is no big loss/no big star. Daniel Bryan? Oh, he’s old now. It’s impressive.

Back on: That’s a dangerous set of assumptions. And it leads to a lot of extra nerdy, insider, meta stuff that isn’t always worth the effort. A shitload of folks haven’t seen much of anything non-WWE since about 99 when WCW and ECW started having major issues. And that’s a bunch of old dues my age and up. And even then, some folks are stuck on framing everything vs vague memories of 98-2001. It is a poisonous approach that can kill almost anything Wrestling-wise. And folks do it all the damn time. And a 25-year old can hardly be relied on to clearly remember stuff they saw when they were 3. Or even 13.

Zoomed out: they are doing some things right, the roster is growing at a dream-level pace due to gifts from WWE, and they are pushing hard to make the crowd care about several individual people that they choose. It leads to some shit like Powerhouse Hobbs vs little jumping dude having heat with the live crowd when it works. When it doesn’t, it can lead to me already being afraid that Ruby is toast after she loses to Britt.

Meanwhile, Rollins could disappear tomorrow and I’m not sure the ‘WWE universe’ would give much of a shit. And dude is EXCELLENT. I don’t like that at all and put me down for ‘Smackdown is the best weekly wrestling show right now’ so I’m not some kind of Vince-hater. But I’m not gonna act like I’m at risk of getting tossed out of his will for watching other stuff and enjoying it too.

  

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114. "Eh, opening match was about Black"
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Who is clearly getting a huge push. Him leaving Cody’s brother bleeding out of his mouth served it’s purpose and was fine as an opener, IMO.

  

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105. "I really want to like Pillman Jr. He was thoroughly outclassed by MJF. "
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MJF is world class on the mic.

Conversely, Pillman is World Class Wrasslin'. Whenever he speaks, it sounds like he's cutting a promo on Jimmy Garvin or some shit.

Some people still dig that I guess. I'm a big fan of his pops, so i'm happy to see him get his opportunities.

To that end, my issue here is the juxtaposition of him against MJF. It's his hometown and whatnot, so I get the segment, but MJF is a bad matchup for him IMO, because more than anything, it just served to highlight a big weakness for him.

  

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115. "AEW really have them shook like that?"
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Just hot shotting Big E with no fanfare? Wow.

Imagine how cool Big E’s cash in would’ve been at Summerslam after Lashley beat down Goldberg

  

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116. "RE: AEW really have them shook like that?"
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>Just hot shotting Big E with no fanfare? Wow.
>
>Imagine how cool Big E’s cash in would’ve been at
>Summerslam after Lashley beat down Goldberg

Money in the Bank cash-ins are supposed to happen in different ways.

They wanted Big E to come out of it as a clear face so they had him call it out beforehand. And then they went out of their way to say 'hey! He's cashing in!'. Allegedly they were trying to not tank ratings vs the first Monday Night Football.

WWE is going out of their way to present themselves as not caring about AEW. Their main thing is this: already have their WWE mind control machine working against their own remaining smaller and/or more indy-style wrestlers.

I have a buddy or two who are already aping the company line/sounding like baby Cornettes. IE: all of a sudden, they LOVE big muscle guys and those 'little/short indy guys' are whatever. Lazy tribal fanhood is a bad look for things improving long-term. It is impressive to see how easily folks can get manipulated in silly shit like this AND in other, obviously more important things when you look around.

So we have people going from 'Johnny Gargano is the best NXT wrestler ever' to 'Johnny who? Oh, that guy? If his contract expires and he leaves, whatever. He's small and he'd never work on the real roster. Oh and fuck NXT too. Its just developmental'.

WHAT!? Haha. I'm old enough to remember people shitting golden bricks out of their asses multiple times over NXT. Now, its just nothing because rumor has it that Vince doesn't like how it is right now? Ridiculous.

  

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117. "Agreed. Same reason they have some MITB lose their cash-in"
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>Money in the Bank cash-ins are supposed to happen in different
>ways.
>
>They wanted Big E to come out of it as a clear face so they
>had him call it out beforehand. And then they went out of
>their way to say 'hey! He's cashing in!'. Allegedly they were
>trying to not tank ratings vs the first Monday Night
>Football.

It needs to be presented as random. And I think this was definitely more about combatting football ratings than it was about combatting AEW's momentum. Plus Raw needs the help more than Smackdown or their PPVs, so they need to present Raw as anything can happen at anytime. Not to mention they want to keep Roman as champ for a long, long time. Lashley has already had about as long a run with the title as one would expect.

>WWE is going out of their way to present themselves as not
>caring about AEW. Their main thing is this: already have their
>WWE mind control machine working against their own remaining
>smaller and/or more indy-style wrestlers.
>

I mean, I can't tell if their attitude towards AEW is genuine or if they're just pulling the wool over their eyes, but either way, they're not too worried about them even if they should be. Their new NXT direction just seems dumb given that they had the best of both worlds. Their main product was focused on big muscular wrestlers and NXT was a super indie (while still being a developmental).

  

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118. "RE: Agreed. Same reason they have some MITB lose their cash-in"
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>
>>Money in the Bank cash-ins are supposed to happen in
>different
>>ways.
>>
>>They wanted Big E to come out of it as a clear face so they
>>had him call it out beforehand. And then they went out of
>>their way to say 'hey! He's cashing in!'. Allegedly they
>were
>>trying to not tank ratings vs the first Monday Night
>>Football.
>
>It needs to be presented as random. And I think this was
>definitely more about combatting football ratings than it was
>about combatting AEW's momentum. Plus Raw needs the help more
>than Smackdown or their PPVs, so they need to present Raw as
>anything can happen at anytime. Not to mention they want to
>keep Roman as champ for a long, long time. Lashley has already
>had about as long a run with the title as one would expect.
>
>>WWE is going out of their way to present themselves as not
>>caring about AEW. Their main thing is this: already have
>their
>>WWE mind control machine working against their own remaining
>>smaller and/or more indy-style wrestlers.
>>
>
>I mean, I can't tell if their attitude towards AEW is genuine
>or if they're just pulling the wool over their eyes, but
>either way, they're not too worried about them even if they
>should be. Their new NXT direction just seems dumb given that
>they had the best of both worlds. Their main product was
>focused on big muscular wrestlers and NXT was a super indie
>(while still being a developmental).

I'm just hoping they don't throw their obviously excellent NXT history in the trash now just because they are changing directions. If Vince has decided now that he's sooooo opposed to small/indy guys, that's his business and his call. Fuck, he's VINCE. And, in some ways, it makes sense now that so many other feds exist and have decent things going on. And they are clearly at the point where NXT can't match resources with AEW.

But I'm already annoyed with the negativity towards smaller guys that didn't take long to gain hella steam in rasslin circles. It really supports the concept that some of these folks who are a part of the rasslin community can be tricked and fooled very easily.

I hope that the guys and girls who put in great work in NXT all get a fair shot somewhere somehow either way.

  

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119. "Yeah, I think people are worrying a little too much, but we'll see."
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There's been rumors that Vince and Bruce are controlling the look of the show more than personnel/booking (mostly cause they don't have the time to run a 3rd show), but I also feel like their involvement could eventually lead to more meddling with personnel/booking. It's worth noting that people were extremely worried about the move to 2 hours a couple years ago, and while it hasn't been as good as 1-hour NXT, the show doesn't suck by any means.


>I hope that the guys and girls who put in great work in NXT
>all get a fair shot somewhere somehow either way.

Most of them will, and in fact they may be better off for it. All in all it's a good thing that WWE is no longer signing everyone in sight just to keep them away from other companies, but a lot of these cuts are strange and the strategy seems very shortsighted.

  

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121. "Kinda interested where it goes now that Samoa Joe has vacated..."
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...the title. I'm not really sure who they put it on now. That title has been unstable as hell since Keith Lee got called up and Kross first got injured.

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122. "I could see any of them winning."
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My guess is LA Knight cause he has everything they're looking for and is the only guy with some real size, although I'll admit I find his NXT run kinda uninspiring outside of the Cameron Grimes feud. I think Dunne is unlikely since his contract is allegedly up soon, but it wouldn't be a bad choice if it's a short-term thing. I could see it being Tommaso since he was so great with the title before. I would hate O'Reilly winning, but he did just beat the GOAT NXT champ, so I wouldn't be shocked if they give him a little run. His character sucks though, and he already lost quite a few chances at the title.

All in all, I'm not very excited for this match tbh. None of these guys have a ton of momentum. And it's kinda puzzling if the rumor that Joe isn't going to miss much time is to be believed.

  

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127. "oh the wedding is headlining and they threw in a random guy?"
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yeah, there is no chance a winner is being decided tonight, right? there's gotta be some shenanigans.

  

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132. "Glad I was wrong"
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Congrats to Ciampa… who was that guy congratulating him at the end? I watch nearly every week and yet suddenly I feel like I don’t know half the roster lol.

  

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134. "RE: oh the wedding is headlining and they threw in a random guy?"
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>yeah, there is no chance a winner is being decided tonight,
>right? there's gotta be some shenanigans.

Well. I guess they showed us! Haha. Knight losing to Rex Steiner made me think Knight was gonna jackass his way into the NXT title. And I was EXCITED about it.

I’m not in love with Kyle O even if I appreciate his work so him getting taken out of the match before was good shenanigans and booking to stop him from eating another loss.

I dig Brusierweight but I’m guessing he’s done if he’s not going back to UK.

I love me some Ciampa and he should make a really good ‘hey, I’ve got now. I don’t care who’s got next’ type of champion for NXT. It’s really smart in a few ways. Someone can get made by beating him. Even the tease with Rex Steiner at the end was gorgeous.

For now, I can come down from my ‘NXT is gonna get ruined’ ledge. They highlighted some green ass folks who need some seasoning. They veered obviously towards some bigger humans. But it wasn’t a disaster by any means. And lawd, it’s not 3 hours! Alright. Cool! And, logically speaking, they need to build someone to eventually kick Roman’s ass 5 years from now cuz Brock showing up with another Tekken alternate outfit in 2026 will probably be too damn expensive for WWE.

  

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120. "RE: AEW really have them shook like that?"
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>They wanted Big E to come out of it as a clear face so they
>had him call it out beforehand. And then they went out of
>their way to say 'hey! He's cashing in!'. Allegedly they were
>trying to not tank ratings vs the first Monday Night
>Football.

I mean, I know this is what WWE is putting out right now as the reason for the change, but it's B.S.

I know Bryan Alvarez isn't the most beloved guy around here, but he has a point regarding why WWE hot-shotted the title change. The previous week's RAW is all about setting up a tag team match for this week. Then after Wednesday, they change their plans. Which is more likely?

1. Vince and the front office saw that they placed behind Dynamite in the 18 and 49 demo and adjusted accordingly.

2. They JUST remembered that were going to go up against MNF, so the changed their plans.

Assuming that the WWE forgot until the weekend that MNF was coming up make them sound hugely incompetent. Reacting to AEW winning a key demo at least suggests they're paying attention.

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135. "RE: AEW really have them shook like that?"
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>
>>They wanted Big E to come out of it as a clear face so they
>>had him call it out beforehand. And then they went out of
>>their way to say 'hey! He's cashing in!'. Allegedly they
>were
>>trying to not tank ratings vs the first Monday Night
>>Football.
>
>I mean, I know this is what WWE is putting out right now as
>the reason for the change, but it's B.S.
>
>I know Bryan Alvarez isn't the most beloved guy around here,
>but he has a point regarding why WWE hot-shotted the title
>change. The previous week's RAW is all about setting up a tag
>team match for this week. Then after Wednesday, they change
>their plans. Which is more likely?
>
>1. Vince and the front office saw that they placed behind
>Dynamite in the 18 and 49 demo and adjusted accordingly.
>
>2. They JUST remembered that were going to go up against MNF,
>so the changed their plans.
>
>Assuming that the WWE forgot until the weekend that MNF was
>coming up make them sound hugely incompetent. Reacting to AEW
>winning a key demo at least suggests they're paying
>attention.

Alvarez makes a point. But WWE is dying to present themselves as no-selling AEW. But they can’t. They haven’t. If anything, they’re steering into the skid now.

NXT looks better and brighter. They are going to move off of some of the indy folks and give AEW more work to do with building people up. Maybe they won’t screw over every smaller worker on their roster! Maybe!

They forked over the money for Brock again to give Reigns something to do before Rock shows up to help them print money in the spring.

And now, they put a big title on a guy who people in the industry are generally love. And Big E is a damn hoss. I love the Big E call for what WWE claims to be going for right now. Lashley was almost always going to be the one to get cashed in on. He went down in a protective way so I can dig it. And, politically speaking, putting the belt on Big E is a signal to their roster that they don’t all need to run off elsewhere to get a little shine. Big E was on the shortlist of folks they could have stood to throw a bone. They’ve done it even if it was during the fall. Now let’s see how they play it from here.

I want Big E to interrupt people and situations with the whole ‘don’t be sour/feel the power’ thing now that he’s the champ. That alone will be a damn good time.

  

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123. "Is Big E even popular enough for this to move the needle?"
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I'm a bit out of touch on WWE rn just because it's so bad when I watch it. But even being a Big E fan, beyond being happy for him personally, I dont see how this works as a response to AEW

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125. "His character/gimmick doesn’t feel main event to me"
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Too goofy.

and I was loving Lashley’s reign, from what I saw of it. Not sure about this.

  

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128. "It's worth a shot"
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Raw has been very stagnant lately (I mean it always is, but especially lately) and these fall ppvs are usually pretty boring anyway. Perfect time to give a guy a shot who's been knocking on the door of the main event for a while. It's not gonna get casual fans to tune in, but it might bring back a handful of old regulars. Plus, between Roman, Charlotte and Becky, they could use a face champ rn.

  

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129. "if he had the chance to talk me into i bet he could"
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im scared of what they are going to tell him to say tho

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142. "I'm not because the New Day has some folks on staff"
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They have collaborators in Kreative, and they take an active role in that shit. I have no worries that E is going to excel whenever he's on TV with that belt. My worry is how long they're gonna give him.

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136. "Vince/WWE are masters at this shit. it doesn't matter if he moves the ne..."
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He's almost certainly not going to be booked or treated in a way that allows him to move the needle.

He can talk. He clearly has personality and oozes charisma.

He could bottle that tomorrow and tweak his presentation in a way that draws ratings and garners a notable crowd reaction, and its wouldn't matter.

Because he'll lose non title matches.

He'll lose tag matches. Sure, the other guy will eat the pin, but he'll still be on the losing side of things.

If he gets a push and some more serious character tweaks, he's got the tools to go far. He's among the more exciting Hoss' to watch. He's a freight train out there. One of my favorite matches of the last decade, was Big E vs Rusev, because they built Rusev into such a badass that beating him mattered, and Big E seemed poised to do it.

That match had big title match energy. He lost, and beating Rusev eventually became a meaningless feat.

Remember The Hurt Business? The best thing all last year?

They got broken up right before crowds came back to take that next level step.

There's no reason to believe they'll position Big E in a way that actually elevates him in a tangible way, with any lasting effect.

Ryback was once a thing that fans were behind. I remember they built Ryback and Ziggler, knocked them back down to nothing, before rebuilding each of them in a big way leading up to Survivor Series.

Vince promptly cut them right back down. Same with Braun, who had at least two times where he seemed like the natural player to elevate.

Remember The Fiend? Bray came back repackaged and ready to take that leap. Nwo they wish him well on his future endeavors. He could have been a Taker level star. Instead, he's the poster child for everything's broken about WWE's perceptions and treatment of their talent.

I ahve no reasons to expect that Big E will escape a similar fate, not with Vince and Bruce running the show. A year from now, after Big E gets jobbed out to Reggie or Nia Jax or some shit, Bruce will say they give him a shot, but just didn't have "it" or whatever.

I think thAt they think that this is enough, and we'll all just be- or should be- happy with that much.

  

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124. "so this Bron Breaker (lol) dude is Rick's son and Scott's nephew"
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btw what a shit name. kid got the physical tools tho for sure

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126. "RE: so this Bron Breaker (lol) dude is Rick's son and Scott's nephew"
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And the fact that he was introduced as Rex Steiner last week makes it even worse.

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130. "Rex Steiner is a great fucking name. it was perfect."
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137. "Too afraid of Rechsteiner showing up on the indies. "
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139. "It's wild to me that Rick Steiner's work name is his last name in two"
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Dude was basically the first of the one-name guys and we shit on that practice today (Cesaro, Murphy, Big E)

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140. "it was treated like a first and last name tho"
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first name Rick last name Steiner would be appropriate for a birth certificate in a way that "Murphy" or "Cesaro" are not lol

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133. "90% of the new NXT names are bad or at least generic as hell"
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>And the fact that he was introduced as Rex Steiner last week
>makes it even worse.

They finally find a good one, and then they change it??? My god, what is happening over there.

  

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131. "cant have the truth get over. he can take that if he leaves."
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138. "Is the NXT Name Generator broken?"
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141. "Nope, it's working the same as it always did"
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This is the same company that named Curt Hennig's kid "Michael McGuillicuttty"

  

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143. "lmao"
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>This is the same company that named Curt Hennig's kid
>"Michael McGuillicuttty"

McGillicutty is a go-to fake last name. I've yet to meet an actual person with that last name.

  

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