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ThaTruth
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"Poll question: If the Miami Big 3 was Wade, Lebron & Carmelo how many rings do they..."
Thu Jul-29-21 10:04 AM by ThaTruth

          

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Probably the same.
Jul 29th 2021
1
probably less
Jul 29th 2021
2
Is that what the calculators told you?
Jul 29th 2021
5
      Does Bron ever reach his final form without that disappointment?
Aug 02nd 2021
16
zero
Jul 29th 2021
3
Man, stop
Jul 29th 2021
6
      its not about Carmelo, its about Bosh
Jul 30th 2021
7
           No one can take away what Bosh did and what actually happened
Jul 30th 2021
14
7? 8?
Jul 29th 2021
4
The same or less
Jul 30th 2021
8
1 or 2 more
Jul 30th 2021
9
I don’t see Melo grabbing that rebound to kick out to Allen
Jul 30th 2021
10
      It was absolutely Chris…
Jul 30th 2021
11
      NYK Melo was a monster and I think adding a scoring champ caliber
Jul 30th 2021
12
           Right. Different team. Doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still won
Jul 30th 2021
13
           RE: NYK Melo was a monster and I think adding a scoring champ caliber
Jul 30th 2021
15
                Someone's gotta settle in as the "third guy." Who'd it have been?
Aug 02nd 2021
17
Melo has ZERO impact without the ball and even less defense.
Aug 02nd 2021
18

Frank Longo
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1. "Probably the same. "
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Thu Jul-29-21 11:07 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

I think people underestimate how great it was having a guy in Bosh who absolutely knew his role as the third guy and played it beautifully. Also, outside of maybe a little more 3-point shooting early on, I don't know what Melo brings that the Heat *needed.* They didn't need another guy to create shots off the bounce, because Bron and Wade were gonna combine for 35+ shot attempts that way regardless. They didn't need a mid-range guy (Bosh's career numbers from mid-range are actually better than Melo's). They... kinda needed what Bosh was.

And in that Finals against the Mavs, with the exception of Game 2... I don't think Bosh was the problem. And I don't think Melo helps slow down Dirk at all.

Now, Bosh *did* struggle against the Spurs, both in the series they won and the series they lost... but that has a lot to do with Tim Duncan being one of the best players of his generation. And it has to do with that 2014 Heat team being their worst defense of the Big 3 era. Melo could've helped occupy more of the Spurs' perimeter defenders, but... if any team ever was suited to guard more jumpshot specialists, it's absolutely the Spurs. The Spurs were simply a much better team than the Heat that series, and I don't think Melo over Bosh alone changes that.

And none of this is a slam against Melo, who is completely and beautifully suited to what he was at the time-- the primary option on a playoff team, an All-Star, a future Hall of Famer. Certain guys are just better as the primary option than they'd be if they were second banana. In the early 2010s, he was by far most effective with the ball in his hands. One can argue that he would've adapted to that third man role just like Bosh did, and, okay, fair enough-- though we also saw Melo take his lumps during the year or two where he had to get used to being the third guy, and I think it's fair to believe he would've taken some lumps the first year or two with the Heat, figuring out how to play a role instead of lead.

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melmag
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2. "probably less"
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doubt Melo would've deferred to Wade let alone Bron, the way Bosh did, thus causing friction and/or chemistry issues.

Mind you, this was in the era where Melo felt he was top 5 though he really wasn't

  

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DJR
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5. "Is that what the calculators told you?"
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>doubt Melo would've deferred to Wade let alone Bron, the way
>Bosh did, thus causing friction and/or chemistry issues.
>
>Mind you, this was in the era where Melo felt he was top 5
>though he really wasn't

Melo would’ve joined Wade and carried the load against Dallas, when needed.....and it was needed. I know that much.

  

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Cocobrotha2
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16. "Does Bron ever reach his final form without that disappointment?"
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>>doubt Melo would've deferred to Wade let alone Bron, the
>way
>>Bosh did, thus causing friction and/or chemistry issues.
>>
>>Mind you, this was in the era where Melo felt he was top 5
>>though he really wasn't
>
>Melo would’ve joined Wade and carried the load against
>Dallas, when needed.....and it was needed. I know that
>much.

I think that loss and Wade making it clear that Bron couldn't defer the responsibility of being THE star is what motivated LeBron to finally hit that championship level.

Throw Melo in the mix and now we REALLY don't know who's team it is. Wade points to Bron to take responsibility... Bron points to himself but secretly wants someone else to take the load... Melo pointing at himself because he (in this alternate universe) showed up when Bron didn't. And the media and fans all in the mix.

The ring would keep the tension down at first but fingers would start getting pointed once they hit a rough spot the next year.

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cgonz00cc
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3. "zero"
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Bosh was the key to their team defense and the epitome of unselfish basketball

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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DJR
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6. "Man, stop "
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>Bosh was the key to their team defense and the epitome of
>unselfish basketball

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=223550183

  

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7. "its not about Carmelo, its about Bosh"
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Carmelo isnt unique in being unable to fill Bosh's role

nobody else could either

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DJR
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14. "No one can take away what Bosh did and what actually happened"
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That said, I think a team with prime Bron, Wade, and Melo probably wins some titles too. That’s too much firepower.

  

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DJR
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4. "7? 8?"
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legsdiamond
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8. "The same or less"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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bentagain
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9. "1 or 2 more"
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Fri Jul-30-21 07:28 AM by bentagain

  

          

Melo may have been a better fit

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10. "I don’t see Melo grabbing that rebound to kick out to Allen"
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vs San Antonio.

but maybe I’m old and made that play up and it wasn’t Bosh who got the rebound.

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11. "It was absolutely Chris…"
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it’s kind of a running joke whenever he’s on LeBatard.

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12. "NYK Melo was a monster and I think adding a scoring champ caliber"
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player to that big 3 over Bosh would've negated the need to get that rebound or Ray's shot...IMO

Bosh obviously had to make the biggest adjustment and sacrifice

I don't think Melo would've needed to do that much to be a fit

IMO.

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13. "Right. Different team. Doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still won"
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15. "RE: NYK Melo was a monster and I think adding a scoring champ caliber"
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>player to that big 3 over Bosh would've negated the need to
>get that rebound or Ray's shot...IMO
>
>Bosh obviously had to make the biggest adjustment and
>sacrifice
>
>I don't think Melo would've needed to do that much to be a
>fit
>
>IMO.

right everyone loves Bosh now but though he was the "weak link" back then lol

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17. "Someone's gotta settle in as the "third guy." Who'd it have been?"
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Bosh did so fairly willingly. Kevin Love did so... slightly less willingly, but he got there, lol.

If it's Bron, Wade, and Knicks-era Melo, which person says, "Hey, I'm here to be the third option"? Cuz there's only one ball, odds are one person's gonna be taking 12-14 shots a night compared to the 17-20 the other two guys take.

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18. "Melo has ZERO impact without the ball and even less defense. "
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Putting him in Bosh's place would have made them a worse team.

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