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"Oklahoma and Texas slid into the SEC’s DM’s"


          

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31857539/texas-ad-ross-bjork-speaks-report-texas-oklahoma-want-join-sec

trying to join the SEC on the low

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anyone else think they should try to go big 10?
Jul 21st 2021
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Lol they both suck in the big 12
Jul 21st 2021
2
It’s a better fit for them to join the Big 10 and be in the western di...
Jul 21st 2021
3
      Yeah, this is weird
Jul 22nd 2021
5
           That Big 12 money must be drying up
Jul 22nd 2021
6
           Yeah, it makes just as much financial sense to join the Big 10
Jul 22nd 2021
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                Why would Texas want to play in that cold ass conference?
Jul 22nd 2021
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                do you live in america?
Jul 22nd 2021
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                     Who said it wasnt cold? I think the Big10 is COLDER
Jul 22nd 2021
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                          Lol, you’re clueless
Jul 25th 2021
32
                               what a cute reply
Jul 26th 2021
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                                    please tell us more about how Kansas is warmer than Michigan.
Jul 28th 2021
46
                academics would keep Oklahoma *out* actually
Jul 22nd 2021
10
                     Yeah, I know that was a similar issue during the P12/Texas and OU
Jul 22nd 2021
11
Texas makes the rules in the Big 12
Jul 21st 2021
4
will offenders get ejected and escorted out of the stadium?
Jul 22nd 2021
13
      Governor Abbott and the Texas GQP would never allow cancel culture
Jul 22nd 2021
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           lolz
Jul 23rd 2021
15
Texas and Oklahoma to Texas A&M…
Jul 23rd 2021
16
Kansas trying to catch onto the Big 10
Jul 23rd 2021
17
The Power 5 needs to go full heel here.
Jul 23rd 2021
18
Honestly I can something like the failed European super league being tri...
Jul 23rd 2021
22
this has been coming for a while, eventually there will probably be no.....
Jul 23rd 2021
19
college will just be a watered-down NFL soon
Jul 23rd 2021
20
So if this happens...SEC will have to obviously realign:
Jul 23rd 2021
21
B1G commissioner wants to rotate sites for the conf champ game
Jul 24th 2021
23
Gotta justify Rutgers at every opportunity lol
Jul 24th 2021
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      it's not directly about rutgers...they want the nyc tv market.
Jul 25th 2021
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           Yeah, all of this
Jul 25th 2021
34
           your P12 example is perfect
Jul 26th 2021
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                at least Niners stadium is smack dab in the middle of pac 12 country
Jul 26th 2021
39
                     Yeah Larry Scott got a lot of things wrong but this wasn’t one of them...
Jul 26th 2021
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                          I think a big problem was the day/start time
Jul 27th 2021
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                          I forgot about that terrible day and start time
Jul 27th 2021
43
                               But this is a conf champ game in early dec, not a bowl game.
Jul 27th 2021
45
                          I disagree, man
Jul 27th 2021
42
                               You can fly into SFO or San Jose and easily get to the stadium
Jul 27th 2021
44
I LOVE college football. Also fuck college football.
Jul 26th 2021
36
man, here in NE you still always hear about the Big 8 lmao
Jul 24th 2021
24
      I grew up on those OU-NU rivalries, Jamelle Holieway vs Steve Taylor...
Jul 24th 2021
25
           local PBS affiliate used to play Taylor's Fiesta Bowl game growing up
Jul 24th 2021
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           I was a huge Oklahoma fan because of Jamelle Holieway
Jul 24th 2021
29
I know football drives everything
Jul 24th 2021
28
RIP College Football
Jul 25th 2021
31
Yeah, this is the end of the journey for CFB
Jul 25th 2021
33
      RE: Yeah, this is the end of the journey for CFB
Jul 26th 2021
38

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "anyone else think they should try to go big 10?"
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I'm sure they want more access to southeast recruits & eyeballs but the B10 footprint is huge too. and other than Ohio State you dont have anyone else to worry about.

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2. "Lol they both suck in the big 12"
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They will be doormats in the SEC


This is pathetic of them


>https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31857539/texas-ad-ross-bjork-speaks-report-texas-oklahoma-want-join-sec
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>trying to join the SEC on the low
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3. "It’s a better fit for them to join the Big 10 and be in the western di..."
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Joining the SEC would mean Texas would continue its downward slide of competitiveness. Oklahoma would be okay, probably similar results to aTm.

I also can’t see the other SEC schools wanting this because including Texas and Oklahoma would mean a major realignment of their current divisions and would probably result in traditional rivalries being upset.

  

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5. "Yeah, this is weird"
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Like will said below, Texas makes the rules in the Big 12, I'm surprised they'd ever want to leave - but if they did, wouldn't they rather form the money team with Michigan-Ohio State-Nebraska-Oklahoma-Texas and just rule the central tract of the country? And Oklahoma, regionally makes sense obviously, but wouldn't they rather maintain Texas and revive Nebraska rivalries full-time rather than enter the gauntlet?


Competitively and (kind of) financially it seems a little misguided


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6. "That Big 12 money must be drying up"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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7. "Yeah, it makes just as much financial sense to join the Big 10"
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And it also makes more sense in terms of competitiveness and it would allow the revival of her Oklahoma/Nebraska rivalry.

Lastly, I know academics take a back seat to this but Texas has more in common with Michigan and the Big 10 in terms of academics than the SEC.

  

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8. "Why would Texas want to play in that cold ass conference? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "do you live in america? "
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Thu Jul-22-21 03:33 PM by guru0509

  

          

the majority of big 12 schools play in the midwest.

have you been to West Virginia Kansas Oklahoma Missouri in November? you do realize the Big 12 isn't just Texas right?

it's also cold

edit https://big12sports.com/


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12. "Who said it wasnt cold? I think the Big10 is COLDER"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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32. "Lol, you’re clueless"
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37. "what a cute reply"
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46. "please tell us more about how Kansas is warmer than Michigan."
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10. "academics would keep Oklahoma *out* actually"
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they are not a member of the American Association of Universities, which is a requirement for B1G membership

that requirement is why GT pops up every few years in B1G expansion talks

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11. "Yeah, I know that was a similar issue during the P12/Texas and OU"
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Rumors back in the day.

  

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4. "Texas makes the rules in the Big 12"
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(opposing teams will get penalized for horns down this season...but horns up is cool whenever)

that won't happen in the SEC

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13. "will offenders get ejected and escorted out of the stadium?"
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>(opposing teams will get penalized for horns down this
>season...but horns up is cool whenever)

  

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14. "Governor Abbott and the Texas GQP would never allow cancel culture "
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In Texas football!

  

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15. "lolz"
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16. "Texas and Oklahoma to Texas A&M…"
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you getting maaaaaaaaaad, we getting in!!
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17. "Kansas trying to catch onto the Big 10"
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https://twitter.com/m_vernon/status/1418591461411495943?s=21

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18. "The Power 5 needs to go full heel here."
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Announce they are leaving the NCAA to form a super 64 team league. Then have a prime-time special where they introduce the new divisions like the NCAA tournament and leave some teams we expect out. Can you imagine they list 63 teams and then go live to Boise State, Washington State, and Utah State, and we get a live reaction as they announce the last team?


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22. "Honestly I can something like the failed European super league being tri..."
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Something where you've got schools that are *always* in the tournament, with entry into the end of year tourney for select conference winners (probably from the power 5)

  

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19. "this has been coming for a while, eventually there will probably be no....."
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conferences.

I'm actually enough old to remember the Big Eight, the Southwest Conference, when the "Big Ten" was actually 10 teams lol, etc...

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20. "college will just be a watered-down NFL soon"
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all the character is going down the drain

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21. "So if this happens...SEC will have to obviously realign:"
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SEC West should become A&M, OU, Texas, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou, Ole Miss, and Miss St

SEC East should become Bama, Auburn, Florida, UGA, Vols, Cocks, UK, and Vandy


So 7 games within the division, probably 2 with the other division, mostly to preserve *some* traditional rivalries (LSU/Auburn, Bama/LSU, tho maybe not LSU/UF), 1 creampuff game (or a strong out of conference game to boost chances for college football playoff), and 1 game for a non conference traditional rival (Florida/Florida St, UGA/Tech, Cocks/Clemson)




  

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23. "B1G commissioner wants to rotate sites for the conf champ game"
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and discussed using giants stadium as one of the locations.

as if we didnt learn during covid that watching cfb played in empty stadiums really really sucks.

it will become the norm pretty soon.

>all the character is going down the drain

  

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27. "Gotta justify Rutgers at every opportunity lol"
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What a bad idea. Who's got seats? MICHIGAN. OHIO. PENNSYLVANIA. If they want an NFL tie-in, just rotate two massive college bowls and the Steelers' stadium. Or make us all go to Cleveland and Detroit every couple of years. New York?! Fuck off. I wouldn't even angle for Memorial in Lincoln here - what's a Big Ten championship in Big East country mean to anyone?


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30. "it's not directly about rutgers...they want the nyc tv market."
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the cfb powers that be are too arrogant/ignorant to understand that a lot of people do not give a shit about their product. especially east coast cities. and especially in the outdoors in december. aint nobody showing up for that shit.

and with the proliferation of post season games at neutral sites it will be hard to even fill the stands with fans of the team. there's a limit to how people are willing to spend and travel.

look at how well the experiment went with the pac 12 playing their championship game at niners stadium.

  

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34. "Yeah, all of this"
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I don’t believe a 24 team super league has enough fan/alumni support to exist. Especially as some of these blue bloods start to become the bottoms feeder teams of the new conference because someone has to be the Kansas, Rutgers, and Oregon State of the new super league.

Tennessee attendance has looked terrible lately, Texas is more likely to fall further behind and will their fans continue to support a 6-6 or 8-4 Texas?

  

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35. "your P12 example is perfect"
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and we were all yelling about it when it happened.

the neutral site has to at least make sense. now that Las Vegas stadium is there, i think that is where the P12 should host it, if its going to be neutral. LV is pretty easy to get to for all of the P12 schools south of Oregon... and those northern fans didnt even travel to SF! but i think that is bc of how hard it is to get there and how expensive it is to make a weekend out of it.

I still believe these games should be hosted by the best team that season, but oh well. if its neutral, host it in Vegas at least.

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39. "at least Niners stadium is smack dab in the middle of pac 12 country"
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Giants stadium though? LOL. They'd prob get better attendance if they just said fuck it and played in the rose bowl.


  

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40. "Yeah Larry Scott got a lot of things wrong but this wasn’t one of them..."
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It was a good idea. SF is a major tourist destination, it is in the middle of the Pac 12 territory, and it was a brand new stadium. It was a good idea but it just didn’t work for a variety of reasons, namely due to SC or UCLA not being good enough to get their while in playoff contention.

  

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41. "I think a big problem was the day/start time"
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5pm on a Friday? people aren't cutting out of work for this and battling through rush hour traffic. put the game on at sat at 3pm and I think attendance would've been much better.

SF is a tourist destination but not for people looking to check out a random college football game haha. LV tourist population will work better because you'll have the attention of everyone in town looking to bet on random sporting events.

and on the subject of start times...these upcoming 9am local time starts are going to be catastrophically bad. it's like they're actively devising ways to destroy west coast football.



>It was a good idea. SF is a major tourist destination, it is
>in the middle of the Pac 12 territory, and it was a brand new
>stadium. It was a good idea but it just didn’t work for a
>variety of reasons, namely due to SC or UCLA not being good
>enough to get their while in playoff contention.

  

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43. "I forgot about that terrible day and start time"
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Tue Jul-27-21 12:17 PM by calij81

          

Cal obviously never and probably never will make it to the P12CG so it wasn’t something I ever needed or will need to worry about so I paid it no attention.

Yeah, a Friday evening start time for that game in the Bay Area was a terrible idea.

You’re right that they should have scheduled it on a Saturday at 3.

I meant SF is a tourist destination in that a CFB fan with a family can more easily justify going and taking the kids as they have other things to do and see. The family gets to do tourist stuff while also going to a game.

  

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45. "But this is a conf champ game in early dec, not a bowl game."
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>I meant SF is a tourist destination in that a CFB fan with a
>family can more easily justify going and taking the kids as
>they have other things to do and see. The family gets to do
>tourist stuff while also going to a game.

this is no longer the once per year treat of going to a bowl game in a fun location during the holidays when everyone is off from work and school.

they've added these neutral site conf champ games, a possible first round playoff game and then the nc.

and in the future we'll have several rounds of neutral site playoff games.

nobody has the time, interest, or financial means to go to all of these neutral site games regardless of location. like not even the die hards are down for this.

as an osu fan who has traveled to home and away games and bowl games I can tell you that at this point I have zero interest in attending any post season game that isnt a NC.

  

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42. "I disagree, man"
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that stadium is very difficult to get to. I would lean into agreeing with 3x that the main issue was 5pm on a Friday, but truly, a Saturday game still would've seen really shitty attendance. i've never been to the stadium but i've read enough that is it a shitshow to get to. like i said - its the most expensive weekend getaway of any P12 city, by far. you alienate a lot of fans.

but with Vegas, how many schools can easily drive there? USC, UCLA, ASU, U of A, Utah, Colorado, and its about 8.5 hours away from Cal and Stanford.

so you have about 8 schools within driving distance to Vegas. plus its Vegas. i know SF is a tourist destination, but isnt the stadium an HOUR away from SF proper? im not seeing any positives of the game being in SF.

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44. "You can fly into SFO or San Jose and easily get to the stadium"
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The issue is traffic for fans who work in the Bay Area and try to go to work on Friday and then drive down to Santa Clara from SF or east bay to get to the game.

Most fans flying in for the game probably got there early enough to make the kickoff and you can easily get their from a hotel by using public transit.

  

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36. "I LOVE college football. Also fuck college football. "
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Let whatever comes up rise from the ashes.
This whole fucked up system of unpaid (now underpaid) predominately Black athletes breaking the shit out of their bodies to subsidize predominantly white athletic programs across the country and leading a predominantly white coaching class and pipeline to be the highest paid employees in their state.

Fuck the charm. Let it burn.

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24. "man, here in NE you still always hear about the Big 8 lmao"
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Back when regions really meant something, and all you had to worry about was the Oklahoma game while you went on a three year cycle of wondering who between Colorado and Mizzou was gonna give you trouble


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25. "I grew up on those OU-NU rivalries, Jamelle Holieway vs Steve Taylor..."
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had some epic battles. That was during a period when almost every major program was running some form of the option. To me Holiway was the GOAT option QB. I know Tommie Frazier came later and did some superhuman shit but Holieway's mastery of all elements of the triple option was otherworldly.

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26. "local PBS affiliate used to play Taylor's Fiesta Bowl game growing up"
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as evidence of Nebraskan resilience

Nevermind that he was from Fresno

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29. "I was a huge Oklahoma fan because of Jamelle Holieway"
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wore number 4 in HS because of him

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28. "I know football drives everything "
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But I can not wait for SEC Track or Baseball
Longhorns women gonna keep balling out in volleyball
OU gonna be fine if not better. Oklahoma has always had a pipeline to California, that’s about to improve
And Texas is about to open up theirs now. Tell them parents they don’t have to come all the way East for big league play.
I will miss Big 12 hoops though

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31. "RIP College Football "
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33. "Yeah, this is the end of the journey for CFB"
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I think the SEC/Texas/Oklahoma just had its Icarus moment and killed CFB.

If the majority of D1 programs get left behind then I could see viewership for CFB really begin to decline in the next 2-5 years.

Do the top 24 schools have the amount of fans/alums to sustain its existence and more importantly TV viewership once other CFB program fans checkout?

I can say right now, if Cal doesn’t play in a P5/Super league I doubt I’m watching CFB anymore and I’m sure I wouldn’t be the only one.

  

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38. "RE: Yeah, this is the end of the journey for CFB"
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>I think the SEC/Texas/Oklahoma just had its Icarus moment and
>killed CFB.
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>If the majority of D1 programs get left behind then I could
>see viewership for CFB really begin to decline in the next 2-5
>years.
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>Do the top 24 schools have the amount of fans/alums to sustain
>its existence and more importantly TV viewership once other
>CFB program fans checkout?
>
>I can say right now, if Cal doesn’t play in a P5/Super
>league I doubt I’m watching CFB anymore and I’m sure I
>wouldn’t be the only one.

I live in the South. I graduated from LSU. The years I spent there (late 90s) was very different than what LSU and the SEC is now. There were always great teams but the SEC love/hate/interest/power was nowhere near what it is now.

I can totally see how a chunk of the talent being lined up in one region AND conference is a problem for the sport as a whole. Still, I'm of the opinion that CFB has been a mess for a loooooooong time. IE: teams having light schedules on purpose. Teams milking tradition and bias to hide behind inflated preseason ranks. West coast teams being at a disadvantage when their games are on super late. Before BCS, we for real had people voting for who they thought the top team was and that was the champ..ridiculous.

This is just the newest mess. The conferences being in business for themselves was always an issue. Now there's just a different conference throwing their weight around and giving themselves advantages (and money) over everything else.

  

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