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"NBA Off-season Post"


          

Well…it’s that time. The NBA never stops. What’s gonna pop off, this summer? Who’s on the move? Where does Ben play? Is Dame serious about leaving? Suns resigning Chris? Does Lowry finally become a Laker?

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All indications are lots of S&Ts and player movement
Jul 21st 2021
1
Chris Paul and other stuff
Jul 21st 2021
2
They have to pay CP3. They don't really have a choice, imo.
Jul 21st 2021
5
lots of decent free agent options at PG
Jul 21st 2021
3
Dame for Khris and Jrue. Who says no?
Jul 21st 2021
4
Milwaukee should 100% say no to that.
Jul 21st 2021
6
Need to add McCollum in there contracts wise
Jul 21st 2021
7
I believe Dame said he wants to go to Philly or NYK.
Jul 21st 2021
8
the Bucks would be stupid to say yes
Jul 21st 2021
11
I hope Warriors get Simmons and ship off Draymond.
Jul 21st 2021
9
I disagree re: Dray and Ben.
Jul 21st 2021
10
      crazy that this is about a #1 overall
Jul 22nd 2021
24
           and that some people don't want Simmons, another #1 overall!
Jul 24th 2021
30
IT'S THE MOST WON-DERFUL TIIIIME OF THE YEAR!
Jul 21st 2021
12
i wouldn't be mad if they threw a bunch of money at lonzo.
Jul 21st 2021
13
      RE: i wouldn't be mad if they threw a bunch of money at lonzo.
Jul 22nd 2021
17
Pelicans have offered Ingram and picks for Dame…
Jul 22nd 2021
14
That seems like a bad trade for both teams.
Jul 22nd 2021
15
      To be fair, the Pels have a *lot* of first round picks.
Jul 22nd 2021
19
           Ingram and five 1sts would be an incredible haul
Jul 22nd 2021
25
Did Kawhi opt out?
Jul 22nd 2021
16
He said back during the season that he would…
Jul 22nd 2021
18
Lakers need a PG.
Jul 22nd 2021
20
I'm not a fan of the Westbrook rumors either
Jul 22nd 2021
21
I hope it is Westbrook.
Jul 22nd 2021
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RE: Lakers need a PG.
Jul 22nd 2021
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if it comes down to Russ or CP3 give me Russ a million times
Jul 22nd 2021
26
I'd think I'd rather have Lonzo back than overpay for either
Jul 22nd 2021
27
      While you're right, I think Zo is gonna get a big paycheck this summer.
Jul 24th 2021
31
I think Lowry would be a good fit
Jul 22nd 2021
28
Sources: Bradley Beal Considering Trade Request Before NBA Draft
Jul 24th 2021
29
Apparently Siakam wants off the Raptors? That’s… a choice.
Jul 24th 2021
32
We have a trade, folks…
Jul 26th 2021
33
Seems win win
Jul 26th 2021
34
I didn't think they could do anything until the new league year in Augus...
Jul 26th 2021
35
can’t be finalized til August 5th
Jul 26th 2021
36
Pelicans have Ball's bird rights
Jul 26th 2021
37
Oh I think they're out of the Lonzo business.
Jul 26th 2021
38
what do the Lakers get out of this?
Jul 26th 2021
39
Nothing?
Jul 26th 2021
40
What does his post have to do with the Lakers?
Jul 27th 2021
44
      RE: What does his post have to do with the Lakers?
Jul 27th 2021
48
           Oh dear god. We got Anthony Davis, two years ago.
Jul 27th 2021
49
                I was just asking question about the specifics of the Lakers'...
Jul 28th 2021
51
                     lol, What's with you telling everyone to calm down
Jul 28th 2021
52
                          I wasn't talking to "everyone"
Jul 28th 2021
55
                               Oh dear god, I'm talking about your penchant for telling people
Jul 28th 2021
58
If they think Lonzo is cheaper than Lowry…
Jul 26th 2021
43
      Lowry isn't a great deal for them IMO.
Jul 27th 2021
46
           Agreed. Lowry would need to be paired with someone else.
Jul 28th 2021
65
So they could sign someone else.
Jul 27th 2021
45
Steven Adams may not make sense on paper, but I don't trade him.
Jul 26th 2021
41
      They had serious paint crowding issues with Adams and Zion.
Jul 26th 2021
42
           Definitely get the Bledsoe part and the spacing thing makes sense
Jul 27th 2021
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                This has nothing to do with the trade
Jul 28th 2021
50
                     Honestly, if the Bucks kept Brogdon and dumped Bledsoe earlier
Jul 28th 2021
54
.
Jul 28th 2021
53
Jaxson Hayes involved in police incident….
Jul 28th 2021
56
is there a chance the Pistons don't take Cade?
Jul 28th 2021
57
May as well trade down if they don't
Jul 28th 2021
59
Sure, if someone offered them something bonkers.
Jul 28th 2021
64
Damn, we offered Shai and the #6 for the #1...
Jul 28th 2021
60
wow...
Jul 28th 2021
61
I mean, is that real?
Jul 28th 2021
62
      Shai's a restricted free agent after next season.
Jul 28th 2021
63
      wow...
Jul 28th 2021
67
      By the way, worth noting here, as we did on the show...
Jul 29th 2021
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      That’s a good point regarding the timelines.
Jul 29th 2021
69
           As I mentioned above...
Jul 29th 2021
71
      Definitely feel you on the misinformation thing…
Jul 28th 2021
66
           Someone tweeted that the Lakers declined Kuz for Shai and #6
Jul 28th 2021
68
           Dudes been around for a good minute…
Jul 29th 2021
73
           There's just such a big difference between the Top 4 and the rest.
Jul 29th 2021
72
Damn…Buddy for Kuz and Harrell in the works…
Jul 29th 2021
74
Nah we getting Westbrook. Shams beat Woj on this one
Jul 29th 2021
75
Shams has a more recent tweet saying Westbrook
Jul 29th 2021
76
Yep…
Jul 29th 2021
77
LMAO Woj backtracking after the Shams scoop
Jul 29th 2021
79
I AM SPEECHLESS 😶…
Jul 29th 2021
78
? What happened
Jul 29th 2021
80
Russ…going home to play in LA…I’m elated!
Jul 29th 2021
81
      Is it done?
Jul 29th 2021
83
           Nothing is official yet
Jul 29th 2021
85
                ... I'd rather have Buddy and KCP. *darts out of post*
Jul 29th 2021
86
                     Better run fast lmao
Jul 29th 2021
88
                          Lol
Jul 29th 2021
92
                          Don't I know it, lol.
Jul 29th 2021
94
                               we didn't have great 3 point shooting in the bubble, healthy Bron & AD.....
Jul 29th 2021
98
                               KCP, who shows up every third night.
Jul 29th 2021
102
                                    I agree with all that.
Jul 29th 2021
105
                                         Yeah I'm just seeing a few too many hot analytic takes on this
Jul 29th 2021
111
                                              I think Russ easily makes you all a top 3 team right away.
Jul 29th 2021
115
I'm like how are the Lakers financially able to make this trade?
Jul 29th 2021
99
      They’re gonna trade *cue Oldman in The Professional*
Jul 29th 2021
100
      RE: I'm like how are the Lakers financially able to make this trade?
Jul 29th 2021
101
This draft is going to be ridiculous.
Jul 29th 2021
82
Curious where Bradley ends up
Jul 29th 2021
84
REPORT: He's staying in DC.
Jul 29th 2021
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      👍🏾
Jul 29th 2021
91
Ricky Rubio to Cleveland, Taurean Prince to Minnesota.
Jul 29th 2021
89
sixers tryna move simmons by tonight. warriors turned down this deal:
Jul 29th 2021
90
WOW…that’s a lot!!!
Jul 29th 2021
95
Lmao. Philly management drunk early
Jul 29th 2021
96
GSW's right to do so. That's too much for a guy who wants to leave.
Jul 29th 2021
97
not only does he wanna leave he prolly wants to go to the warriors lol.
Jul 29th 2021
116
Sixers acting like they sending out Jokic AND Murray lol
Jul 29th 2021
103
the 2 extra future firsts is asking too much
Jul 29th 2021
106
Yeah, no way the Warriors make that deal
Jul 29th 2021
113
Shamet to Phoenix…
Jul 29th 2021
93
You know, I'm betting THT gets dealt in a S&T for a shooter
Jul 29th 2021
104
WHY NOT?!
Jul 29th 2021
107
Laker Nation…
Jul 29th 2021
108
Go to work, Sam…
Jul 29th 2021
109
*Sly grin*
Jul 29th 2021
110
Also: I expect this to be a W for the Wizards.
Jul 29th 2021
112
Love Brad, man…
Jul 29th 2021
114
      I like seeing a guy say "hey, this is my home. Please keep me here."
Jul 29th 2021
117
Spacing is an issue but Bron/AD/Russ? Ok!
Jul 29th 2021
118
it'll be a issue in the playoffs. they'll have a wonderful regular seaso...
Jul 29th 2021
119
Agreed on both fronts.
Jul 29th 2021
120
I wonder if DeRozan
Jul 29th 2021
121

Ryan M
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1. "All indications are lots of S&Ts and player movement "
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2. "Chris Paul and other stuff"
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It's going to be interesting with Paul. You can see him wanting and expecting another max deal, but he's 36 with LOTS of injuries. It's clear that he sure as shit helped the Suns make it to the Finals, but I don't know what other contender would sign him to a long-term deal, except, like, the Knicks if they miss out on Lillard and everyone else. Cp3 would probably be best off taking a pay cut to stay on the Suns or take less money to play on the Lakers or something.


Now, of course I'm mostly interested in the Warriors. Priority #1 is resigning Steph this off-season so that he doesn't enter the open market next year. So they'll offer him another supermax, which he'll deserve. There's some pipe-dreams out there about him giving the team a hometown discount, but it won't happen and it shouldn't anyway. Besides, I don't know if it would make much of a difference, cap-wise, considering all the other deals/players we've got signed.

Pundits have been saying that the Warriors NEED to package Wiseman and the picks and go after a big free agent in a sign and trade. They're wrong. They ONLY exceptions would be if you could get Kawhi or Dame, but neither of those are happening. Otherwise, the Warriors are going to need a young, athletic big like Wiseman, especially since we're in the same conference as guys like Jokic, Ayton, and Davis. So trading Wiseman and the picks for someone like Ben Simmons would be a waste.

In terms of depth, two good first round picks can go a long way. Oubre should really except a coming off the bench role and re-sign. Then the team really needs to pursue a David West veteran-type. If that all can happen, I think the Warriors would be in good shape.

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5. "They have to pay CP3. They don't really have a choice, imo."
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>It's going to be interesting with Paul. You can see him
>wanting and expecting another max deal, but he's 36 with LOTS
>of injuries. It's clear that he sure as shit helped the Suns
>make it to the Finals, but I don't know what other contender
>would sign him to a long-term deal, except, like, the Knicks
>if they miss out on Lillard and everyone else. Cp3 would
>probably be best off taking a pay cut to stay on the Suns or
>take less money to play on the Lakers or something.

CP3 so perfectly matches what the Suns want to do, and clearly he has terrific chemistry with both Booker and Ayton. It's gonna be realllllllly hard to max a guy at his age. Even coming off the performance he just gave in the playoffs (something like 23 and 9 in the last three rounds). So Phoenix would definitely have to stop and think about it.

If I'm CP3 and I really want to stay in Phoenix to remain in contention (because you're right, no real contender if paying CP3 a max deal)... I ask for one of two things:

1. a big money 2-year deal. If it doesn't work out, CP3 can still vet min deal with a contender for a year or two until he's completely washed.
2. an extended non-max deal with guaranteed money but paid out over, like, 5 years. This would allow Phoenix to stretch their money so they can pursue a couple of supporting bench pieces in free agency a little more easily, so the roster would be better and it would give CP3 the knowledge that he's getting paid until he's over the hill, lol.

If I'm Phoenix, I'd be stoked about #2. It wouldn't cost much up front, and paying him down the line is Future Person Problems-- it's also likely a pretty tradeable deal if it doesn't work out if the annual cost is fairly reasonable. #1 would be great for the long term cap flexibility-- if it doesn't work out next year, he's an awesome expiring contract-- but also feels like it'd have the potential to create a little more uncertainty about the Suns' core, and the chemistry was just so good this season. I wouldn't want to fuck that up.

Ultimately, and I know a couple of people here would kill me for saying it... but they're the Suns. They don't have a title. They hadn't made the Finals in nearly three decades. And there's no replacement for CP3 on the market-- there just isn't. So whatever he asks for, you probably just have to pay. Regardless of age, regardless of what happens years down the line. Because without CP3 next season, you're in Perennial Six Seed At Best Mode for the rest of Booker/Ayton's deals. And losing CP3 and getting worse likely wouldn't make Booker and Ayton super happy. So keep everyone happy. Pay now, contend now, worry later.

And if people adamantly say "no! get rid of him!"... then they need to pitch the realistic plan that gets Phoenix to stay in contention without him. I don't think one exists.


>Otherwise, the Warriors are going to need a young, athletic
>big like Wiseman, especially since we're in the same
>conference as guys like Jokic, Ayton, and Davis. So trading
>Wiseman and the picks for someone like Ben Simmons would be a
>waste.

The concern about Wiseman is precisely about the Jokic/Ayton/Davis matchups in the immediate future, though. He's still very clearly a project, and with the core all above 31, you've got to think the Warriors want to contend for titles, like, in the next two years, realistically. If you think Wiseman is Ayton-level good in the next two years, you keep him, for sure. But if you don't?

I think dealing him for Simmons in that scenario is really interesting-- especially because I trust the Warriors waaaaaay more than the Sixers in terms of getting the most out of his considerable skill set. I mean, shit, the Warriors have turned Andrew Wiggins into a not-horrible player. Imagine what they can do with an All-Defense All-Star if they can give him renewed confidence and teach him to be not awful at FT shooting. Dray could do wonders with Simmons.

That said, I'm also a guy who thinks switchable big players like Dray and Simmons have way more value than drop coverage bigs. Especially in the playoffs. So I'm admittedly biased. But man, if all Simmons needs is a change of scenery and he gets to the right spot? It's gonna be huge for that team.

I also don't really know who I love for the Warriors with the picks. Like, Bouknight and Duarte, maybe, if they're both there? Think that'd probably be the best case scenario? There just won't be too many win-now pieces on the board. The future value for a bad team is way higher than the immediate in this year's draft outside of the top 5.





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3. "lots of decent free agent options at PG"
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4. "Dame for Khris and Jrue. Who says no?"
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Haven't looked at contracts or any of that, but if that was offered as the principle deal, who says no, and who should?

IMO that would be just about the best deal Portland would get.

  

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6. "Milwaukee should 100% say no to that."
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Wed Jul-21-21 02:32 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

A 20-6-5 wing who shoots over 40% from 3 and isn't a total liability on defense is such a commodity in today's NBA. As is an 18-5-6 PG who has the potential to lock down the opposing PG.

Dame's the best player of the three, obviously... but I'm not convinced that a Dame-DiVincenzo-Tucker-Giannis-Lopez lineup is better and more balanced on both ends than a Jrue-DiVincenzo-Middleton-Giannis-Lopez lineup. And since they just won the title, no reason to rock the boat imo. Run it back til the wheels fall off.

I also don't think Portland would do that either, truthfully, because Jrue-CJ-Powell-Middleton-Nurkic or whatever doesn't have a great deal of upside. Middleton and Jrue are perfectly positioned as great second and third options on a title contender... I don't think either of them is the top guy on a contender. Much more value in a system than on their own.

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7. "Need to add McCollum in there contracts wise"
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and if I was the Bucks, I'd still say no. If it ain't broke...

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8. "I believe Dame said he wants to go to Philly or NYK."
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11. "the Bucks would be stupid to say yes"
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9. "I hope Warriors get Simmons and ship off Draymond."
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I'm not that high on Simmons as a whole, but as a Draymond replacement he'd be an upgrade. He could play anything from the 3 to the small ball 5, great D (pause), better scorer, can run offense through him like Draymond (Simmons is a better decision maker with the ball), etc.

If you have him and Dray on the same team though, he loses a lot of his value, as you now have another non-shooter clogging up the offense and not doing much off the ball.

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10. "I disagree re: Dray and Ben. "
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First off, I think Dray gives a lot of value off ball, because he's such a dynamic passer and playmaker, and he reads the game at such a high level. Yes, you can't have him just camp out at the 3 point line, because he won't space defenses, but the Warriors don't do that with him much anyway. Opposing teams can't just let Dray catch and operate at his own pace in the half court, because Dray's too good at finding the opportunities for himself and others.

Second, the Warriors play one of the fastest paces in the NBA, and Ben Simmons is elite, full stop, in transition. They don't need to do much settling into half court sets with freaks like Ben and Dray running the court, with their size and live dribble passing. They'd be a top 3 offense minimum with Ben and Dray running the break.

Third, Dray seems to me to be the *perfect* mentor for a guy like Ben. If a torch is to be passed, and I agree it's a good idea for the Warriors to plan on that happening, then why not learn from the absolute best?

Fourth, the Warriors helped Andrew Wiggins be a non-negative impact player-- and helped him shoot the best percentage of his career. If anyone can help Ben become a not-awful shooter, it's probably them. Furthermore, the spacing Ben would see from being on a floor with Steph and Klay would open all sorts of dribble drive opportunities for him. The offense clogging isn't much of a concern if two of the players are the best 3 point shooters on the planet.

Fifth, if they trade Dray, they're not trading Wiseman, and I definitely don't think a Ben and Wiseman lineup is better than a Ben and Dray lineup.

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24. "crazy that this is about a #1 overall"
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>the Warriors helped Andrew Wiggins be a non-negative
>impact player

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30. "and that some people don't want Simmons, another #1 overall!"
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One that's made an All-Star team and an All-Defense team at that!

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12. "IT'S THE MOST WON-DERFUL TIIIIME OF THE YEAR!"
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Bulls fans are itching to see what AK does.

We need a PG and supposedly the AK and Eversley are going to be real aggressive in the next month.

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13. "i wouldn't be mad if they threw a bunch of money at lonzo."
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a lonzo/zach/vuc core should have us competitive. can't ask for much more at this point. be competitive and start to build a winning culture and hope to get lucky with draft picks (especially from europe considering AK's ties) and/or free agents.

no idea what to think about pat williams. i can see him being a borderline all star if he breaks out of his shell, but he may not be that kind of guy. hard to tell considering he was one of the younger (youngest?) players in the league last season. his only glaring weakness is his passiveness. maybe that is something that can be fixed with experience.

  

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17. "RE: i wouldn't be mad if they threw a bunch of money at lonzo."
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>a lonzo/zach/vuc core should have us competitive. can't ask
>for much more at this point. be competitive and start to build
>a winning culture and hope to get lucky with draft picks
>(especially from europe considering AK's ties) and/or free
>agents.

+ Kyle Lowry - no chance, cost too much.
+ Lonzo Ball - S&T w/ Lauri, but he'd have to agree to sign with the Pelicans. Plus we couldn't sign Theis and would maybe have to let Thad and/or Satoransky go.
+ Spencer Dinwiddie
+ Dennis Schroder

I'd be cool with any of these guys. ANYBODY that can set up the offense.

>no idea what to think about pat williams. i can see him being
>a borderline all star if he breaks out of his shell, but he
>may not be that kind of guy. hard to tell considering he was
>one of the younger (youngest?) players in the league last
>season.

There are SOOO many factors that go into play with how a young player develops. And with the previous regime, I always had very low expectations whenever we had a draft pick. Every year Paxson would come out with the excuse, "We don't know how good our guys are." That led me to believe that even if a kid WAS good, the Bulls didn't have the infrastructure in place to really help players reach their full potential.

I don't know enough about how this new Bulls front office works. It was great seeing both Williams and Donovan at a playoff game, so it seems like he's bought in. Physically Williams has all the tools to be at the very least a starter in this league. His defense alone does that. My thing is, kinda like Giannis, we may not know how good he is until maybe his 3rd or 4th year. Can/will the Bulls wait that long?

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14. "Pelicans have offered Ingram and picks for Dame…"
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https://twitter.com/LandonBuford/status/1418032906056970247?s=20

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15. "That seems like a bad trade for both teams."
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Lillard and Zion won't be enough to do anything serious out West and I'm assuming that would be a ton of picks the Pelicans would have to deal to swing that trade. Mortgaging the future of the franchise just to potentially languish and moderately improve in the present doesn't seem that prudent. I'm guessing if this rumor is real, David Griffin feels some pressure to try and improve the team immediately while Zion is there.

On the Portland side, making that move would pretty much signal that the franchise is waving the white flag and would be in rebuild mode since Ingram and picks isn't nearly enough of a return for Lillard.


*edit*

I should note that I didn't click the link, so there could be other details that I missed, such as a third team being involved. IMO, a three team trade is going to be necessary to swing a trade involving Lillard since his contract is relatively huge.

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19. "To be fair, the Pels have a *lot* of first round picks."
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11 in the next seven seasons, at least. And while most of them will be low-first round because they're largely from Milwaukee and the Lakers... all it takes is one Giannis injury or AD injury to suddenly have an extra swing in the lottery. This is also assuming they don't sign-and-trade Lonzo, which would likely net them at least one additional pick.

I think Ingram and, say, five picks? That'd be a hell of a package for Dame. You're right that Portland wouldn't be in contention, but they aren't going to be able to deal Dame and stay in contention, that's a lost cause. May as well cash in as hard as you can on draft stock if you're sending him out.

As for New Orleans, yes, Zion and Dame also aren't enough to be in contention... but it'd definitely make New Orleans a *lot* more attractive to free agents. And, as you alluded to above, it'd keep Zion happy, which is the Pelicans' priority #1. Plus, they'd still have another six first round picks in the next seven seasons, so it wouldn't be a complete mortgage of the future.

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25. "Ingram and five 1sts would be an incredible haul"
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that would be impossible to pass up

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16. "Did Kawhi opt out?"
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18. "He said back during the season that he would…"
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only because it makes sense to…but he hasn’t, yet.

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20. "Lakers need a PG."
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I hope it's not CP3.

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21. "I'm not a fan of the Westbrook rumors either"
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a trade for Dame would be great but I don't see that happening. DRose maybe???

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22. "I hope it is Westbrook."
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the drama that will ensue when LeBron grabs a rebound that hinders westbricks triple-double chances..

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>a trade for Dame would be great but I don't see that
>happening. DRose maybe???

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23. "RE: Lakers need a PG."
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>I hope it's not CP3.

I hate CP3 too but I think he’d be a good fit

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26. "if it comes down to Russ or CP3 give me Russ a million times"
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27. "I'd think I'd rather have Lonzo back than overpay for either"
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31. "While you're right, I think Zo is gonna get a big paycheck this summer."
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If the Lakers really want a PG that's Zo-quality or better, they're just gonna need to open that wallet.

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28. "I think Lowry would be a good fit"
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29. "Sources: Bradley Beal Considering Trade Request Before NBA Draft"
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946317-sources-bradley-beal-considering-trade-request-before-nba-draft

"Beal does not have a proverbial list of preferred destinations, but it was mentioned by multiple sources that he would welcome joining teams such as Boston, Golden State, Miami or Philadelphia—although Beal requesting a trade would all but guarantee an expansive bidding war across the league. The number of potential destinations and interested suitors could span a significant portion of the NBA."

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32. "Apparently Siakam wants off the Raptors? That’s… a choice."
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Not sure how many teams would tailor so much of their offense around what Siakam does as Toronto has done.

If the Raptors could get Simmons for Siakam and future picks, that’d be such a colossal grand fucking slam for Toronto.

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33. "We have a trade, folks…"
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https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1419757449448394752?s=20

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34. "Seems win win "
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Pelicans get out from under 2 bad contracts, get a good player in JV, and only move down 7 spots. They’ll spend to keep Zion happy I’m sure.

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36. "can’t be finalized til August 5th"
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37. "Pelicans have Ball's bird rights"
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So why free up all this money for a guy that you would have had no problem getting anyway?

I think this is for Lowry.

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38. "Oh I think they're out of the Lonzo business."
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All the smoke for Lonzo or Lowry to the Lakers never made sense - they both want to get paid, and as you said - the Pelicans have Lonzo's bird rights so why do this?

It's definitely to get a core of Zion/Lowry/Ingram + whatever else - they do have a lot of assets. They just freed up what, like 34 million? It was stupid of them to trade for and then IMMEDIATELY extend Steven Adams, but then again - better to fix the mistake instead of thinking it's a sunken cost I guess.

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39. "what do the Lakers get out of this?"
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44. "What does his post have to do with the Lakers?"
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48. "RE: What does his post have to do with the Lakers?"
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Adrian Wojnarowski
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BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.

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Cold Truth
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49. "Oh dear god. We got Anthony Davis, two years ago."
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51. "I was just asking question about the specifics of the Lakers'..."
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involvement in the trade, I didn't realize it was for a pick they already traded.

Calm down.

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52. "lol, What's with you telling everyone to calm down"
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Everyone is calm.

"oh dear lord" is some deadpan, facepalm shit.

It's not like I said OMG YOU FUCKING IDIOT HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID

Nobody is 1/10th as amped up as you seem to think they are when they interact with you.

  

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55. "I wasn't talking to "everyone" "
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58. "Oh dear god, I'm talking about your penchant for telling people"
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to calm down

That's your consistent go-to.


  

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43. "If they think Lonzo is cheaper than Lowry…"
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… then I think there’s a good shot they spend on Lonzo and pocket the rest for additional moves/pieces. Zion and Ingram both like Lonzo, and if they can get Lonzo for, say, 8 mil per year less than Lowry? I’d… strongly consider just keeping Lonzo.

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46. "Lowry isn't a great deal for them IMO."
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Better to resign Zo, and keep evwryone within the same window.

I know, veteran leadership and whatnot. But i think that can be had for far, far cheaper.

But Lowry does not get them a title, and I think this is the year BI takes that all star step and becomes a nightmare for other teams to deal with.

Price tag aside, i just don't see how he makes sense for this team.

He's a guy a good team pays to get over that hump and got a title. Miami, Philly, either LA team, Boston, these make sense. Young teams trying to break into the playoffs? I just don't see the value of a guy like him vs a guy like Lonzo from a bit picture standpoint.

  

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65. "Agreed. Lowry would need to be paired with someone else."
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And unless there are more moves ahead-- and maybe there are!-- then I don't really see the wisdom in bringing in Lowry unless your plan is to contend for a Top 4-5 seed in the west *next season.*

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45. "So they could sign someone else. "
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If they have his bird rights, they could sign someone else to fill other needs, and then either resogn him or sign and trade him.

There's no downside whatsoever to getting off a bad contract and clearing space, especially when you get a solid player like Jonas in the deal.

  

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41. "Steven Adams may not make sense on paper, but I don't trade him. "
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Valacuinas is nice but I think Adams was a better fit for the Pelicans.

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42. "They had serious paint crowding issues with Adams and Zion."
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Jonas can help space the floor better. Adams is a better defender, but he alone won’t make that defense better. They gotta resolve those offense issues first, and Jonas definitely helps there. Plus now they can get off that dreadful Bledsoe contract— and this year, the 10th and 17th picks really aren’t that different.

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47. "Definitely get the Bledsoe part and the spacing thing makes sense"
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but I don't feel like trading Adams is going to solve that....I think Adams is better suited to be the banger in the post, especially if Zion is going to be playing point bully.

Adams is Chuck Norris for me...like no one is hard fouling a team with Steven Adams on the floor....or in the stadium.

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50. "This has nothing to do with the trade"
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but with Bledsoe being considered dead weight by the Pelicans, I wonder how much he was holding the Bucks back the years he was on the team. To be somewhat fair to him, the change in point guard wasn't the only change the Bucks made to this year's championship team, so I guess it isn't truly possible to get an answer to that question.

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54. "Honestly, if the Bucks kept Brogdon and dumped Bledsoe earlier"
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they would have won LAST year.

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53. "."
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56. "Jaxson Hayes involved in police incident…."
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https://amp.tmz.com/2021/07/28/nba-jaxson-hayes-arrested-hospitalized-alleged-violent-incident/?__twitter_impression=true

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57. "is there a chance the Pistons don't take Cade?"
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59. "May as well trade down if they don't "
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64. "Sure, if someone offered them something bonkers."
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Like, if OKC said Shai, the 6th pick, their 2022 first rounder, and Poku, lol. Or if Cleveland offered the 3rd pick, Okoro, Garland, and a future pick. Just imagine something where your first response is "that's crazy"-- and that's what it would take.

It's clear that they know what they have in the opportunity to draft Cade and what the value of a player like Cade would be to the league. So I doubt they move unless they can fleece someone.

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60. "Damn, we offered Shai and the #6 for the #1..."
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Detroit said nah.

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61. "wow..."
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>Detroit said nah.

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62. "I mean, is that real?"
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I saw someone say we're in the moment of misinformation from front offices.

Shai + 6 is actually a fair offer. And of course, OKC has to make a move at some point. But I can't see them getting rid of a guy who's a likely all star in the next 2 years with all the assets they have.

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63. "Shai's a restricted free agent after next season."
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So whichever team has him, OKC or Detroit, would have to commit to signing him to a max deal in the next calendar year. And Detroit simply isn't on the timeline where having someone like Shai on max money makes sense. Same goes for OKC, really, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to deal him for a top 4 pick in this draft-- or trade the #6 and Shai for Cade. (Or, as you said, use their assets to make moves, sign Shai to the max, and try to start genuinely pushing for playoff runs in the next 2ish years.)

I think it's a pretty fair deal... but it's not really a deal that makes sense for a team like Detroit that's looking realistically to be bad for at *least* another two seasons. And they have zero money on the books after 2022/23-- you can tell where their timeline is. They want to let Cade and the young core cook. And if they think Shai's upside is All-Star but Cade's upside is Top 10 in the NBA kinda guy... then the 6th pick in this draft just isn't enough of a sweetener imo. Detroit's looking for the highest potential possible dudes with their lotto picks-- that's why they gambled with guys like Hayes and Sekou when there were more NBA ready dudes available.

I just chatted with Jim from the Three Man Weave on a new NBA Draft episode of 2.1 Seconds to Madness (cheap plug), and we tried to name draft prospects of the last ten drafts that we'd definitely have taken before Cade. We settled on Zion and AD... and that's it. He's just such a special dude, so well-rounded, so elite at so many things, not bad at really anything.

And I love Shai-- and I agree, Shai can definitely be an All-Star once he's on a good team. But yeah, for Detroit, who isn't looking to truly make moves until three seasons from now (unless Cade absolutely crushes from Day 1, not impossible), you gotta go for the superstar upside.

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67. "wow..."
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>I just chatted with Jim from the Three Man Weave on a new NBA
>Draft episode of 2.1 Seconds to Madness (cheap plug), and we
>tried to name draft prospects of the last ten drafts that we'd
>definitely have taken before Cade. We settled on Zion and
>AD... and that's it.

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70. "By the way, worth noting here, as we did on the show..."
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... that *doesn't* mean Cade will be better than everyone else, obviously, lol. It just means, in terms of being a very high-floor, very high-ceiling prospect... he's at worst top 5 and probably top 3 of the last decade, because he just does so many things elitely and has very few gaps in his game, even at this young an age. He's like if you designed the ideal player for this era.

Maybe it doesn't pan out, maybe he gets hurt, maybe Detroit just totally fucking sinks him, lol, I mean, who knows from here? But that's the level of prospect entering the draft he is. His upside is definitely "superstar." And his downside is... still quite high.

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69. "That’s a good point regarding the timelines. "
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Having a transcendent talent on a rookie contract is far too great to pass up. I’m shocked Cade is that good according to you guys, but if that’s the case - they’d be INSANE to trade down.

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71. "As I mentioned above..."
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... it's just that the ceiling and floor are both so high. Like I said in the Justivity post, the best comparison I can make for Cade is "6'8 Ben Simmons who has alpha mentality and can shoot 40% from 3." Like, in the NBA, that's... a superstar. A franchise-changing dude.

He's not yet the defender Ben is... but Ben was a lousy defender in college, and Wiggins was a really good defender in college and a lousy one in the NBA, so who the fuck knows with that, lol. But an elite passer, great scorer at all levels, really good shooter, really good defender, hard worker, high motor guy, high IQ, really good rebounder due to effort, superb character, and big time leader who wants to take the big shots in the big moments. There aren't a lot of "here's the weakness" things with him-- and any nitpicks I *could* conjure can probably be dismissed due to (a) age and (b) him being by far the best player on a college team full of non-shooters. And unlike Anthony Edwards or Ben Simmons in similar scenarios, Cade dragged Oklahoma State to a 4 seed. Like... it's absurd how good he is and how great he can be.

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66. "Definitely feel you on the misinformation thing…"
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https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-pistons-declined-shai-gilgeous-021211776.html

I’m not even surprised, if it’s true…just really like Shai. We just ain’t ready for a dude that’s about to get paid, yet. So, I can believe it. I’ve also read the same offer could be made to Cleveland for the 3 and that GMs are just saying that Shai is clearly available to be had.

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68. "Someone tweeted that the Lakers declined Kuz for Shai and #6"
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My deleted post above was because it took me a second to realize that I had to have fallen prey to a troll.

https://twitter.com/BrandonRahbar/status/1420443806663589890

Turns out, he's some credentialed OKC writer for a site called The Daily Thunder. I have no idea how credible that site is, if it's just a glorified personal blog or what.

But his reaction to the reactions to the trolling was "Eek. Sometimes I forget I’m a credentialed media member and beat reporter when I troll."

Personally, I think that still undermines his credibility as anything resembling a serious journalist, and makes him look like those fuckwits who create the youtube videos with dumb headlines like CONFIRMED DAMIAN LILLARD SIGNS WITH LEBRON TO THE LAKERS, LEBRON SAYS LAKERS WILL WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

My guess is he's got a list of articles that are headlined as trade "rumors", which are in reality fictitious clickbait scenarios he just made up

  

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73. "Dudes been around for a good minute…"
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I like what he does, well enough. He called himself mocking the Twitter handles that do they kind of stuff, but I agree with you…he took some credibility away from what he does. Plus, it wasn’t even funny. I was just waiting for House of Hoops or something like that to Tweet that out and attribute it to him.

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72. "There's just such a big difference between the Top 4 and the rest. "
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Some would potentially argue the Top 3... and some maybe the Top 5, if you believe Scottie Barnes can shoot.

But yeah, that sixth pick, you're either looking at a high-ceiling, low-floor project or a relatively safe, non-star, starter-potential guy. Those top picks, you're looking at stars with much higher ceilings and floors.

And with Shai needing that max deal, yeah, I'm not shocked at all that they're trying to see if Shai and the 6 can get them into the top 3. Since Detroit and Houston aren't close, I'd be stunned if either of them bit... but Cleveland's 3rd pick is definitely intriguing. Not that they're actually close to winning, but they've got Garland, they've got Okoro, they've got Nance, they've got Allen. They could theoretically sign and trade Sexton (I'm sure they'll try) for somebody. I'm sure I can see them thinking, "If we had Shai, Garland, James Bouknight, Okoro, Nance, Allen, and a free agent, we can push for playoffs in 2 years, maybe even next year." (Do I think that would work? With Cleveland, I'm always skeptical, lol. But they wouldn't have signed Allen to that big contract unless they thought they weren't needing a massive rebuild.)

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74. "Damn…Buddy for Kuz and Harrell in the works…"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1420852216601186305?s=20

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75. "Nah we getting Westbrook. Shams beat Woj on this one"
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76. "Shams has a more recent tweet saying Westbrook"
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There's also a report about the Spurs being interested in Kuz for Dermar, though I don't know how a situation like that would work with Dermar being an FA.

If Westbrook is on the table, that's a moot point though.

  

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77. "Yep…"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1420858110177120257?s=20

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79. "LMAO Woj backtracking after the Shams scoop"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1420859675445276681

He's right though.

The Buddy shit has been cooking for a minute.

The Westbrook thing was, what, a week ago? It came and went and the numbers vs asset situation looked like that just wasn't happening.

But yeah I like this.

Hopefully we can get something back in a deal for Schroder, but that hard caps us.

I say let him walk in snag some shooters on vet minimum deals

  

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78. "I AM SPEECHLESS 😶…"
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NOT!!!!! My guy playing at the crib!!! God is good!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

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80. "? What happened"
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81. "Russ…going home to play in LA…I’m elated!"
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83. "Is it done? "
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It looks like this is happening but I can't find a confirmation that this has been completed.

  

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85. "Nothing is official yet"
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But the deal is supposed to be Westbrook for Kuzma, Harrell, KCP, and next year's first.

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86. "... I'd rather have Buddy and KCP. *darts out of post*"
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88. "Better run fast lmao"
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92. "Lol"
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94. "Don't I know it, lol."
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There's only one ball! If they wanna try and stagger it where they give Bron and/or AD more rest, and let Russ absolutely go full-blown "score 50" mode in those games, then beautiful, I get the plan. I just don't really know what the fit is between them all playing together when your best offensive players shoot, like, 30%, 30%, and 33% from 3-- and they're trading the best 3 point shooter they had last season. When they were a bottom third of the league shooting team from distance.

Meanwhile, a lineup with Bron, AD, Buddy, KCP...

... yeah, I should just run. lol.

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98. "we didn't have great 3 point shooting in the bubble, healthy Bron & AD....."
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>There's only one ball! If they wanna try and stagger it where
>they give Bron and/or AD more rest, and let Russ absolutely go
>full-blown "score 50" mode in those games, then beautiful, I
>get the plan. I just don't really know what the fit is between
>them all playing together when your best offensive players
>shoot, like, 30%, 30%, and 33% from 3-- and they're trading
>the best 3 point shooter they had last season. When they were
>a bottom third of the league shooting team from distance.
>
>Meanwhile, a lineup with Bron, AD, Buddy, KCP...
>
>... yeah, I should just run. lol.

+ any 3 NBA players = chip.

Russ allows "load management" for both of those guys

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102. "KCP, who shows up every third night. "
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Oh boy, much rather have him than Russ.

We'll get some shooters in FA.

I'm not saying this gets us a title. We have deficiencies that will need to be addressed, and we'll be capped to death for the next two years.

But we have the talent to compete with anyone, even without the analytics circle jerk.

And we're going to be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams in transition.

  

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105. "I agree with all that."
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I just really like Buddy and what his fit would be. It just fits more what I personally would do to construct a roster around two mega stars. But there’s no denying the talent with Russ there.

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111. "Yeah I'm just seeing a few too many hot analytic takes on this"
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Talent for talent, we're arguably the most top heavy team in the league.

That accounts for an awful lot.

Other teams have significant advantages though, i.e, BK being able reup with Joe Harris, and having assets to retool if necessary.

Everyone there is tradeable and they're largely fleshed out already, so we've got a gap to close with nothing but our good name to do it with.

Fortunately, that good name is the Lakers and Lebron. I'll take those L's any day.

I think this is a deal you make 100 times out of 100, and figure out the rest.

The fact that this doesn't hard cap us arguably evens out the drawbacks though, because we're bound to get a few vets on the cheap who can shoot.

Plus we have THT and schroder who could each be dealt in S&T deals for shooters, and if that hard caps us, we at least fill those needs.

Now if we sign Derozan somehow.... i dunno.

  

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115. "I think Russ easily makes you all a top 3 team right away."
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Make no mistake with what I said above, nothing I said should translate to "Lakers will be bad/worse" or anything like that. They are obviously better today with Russ than without Russ. And yes, even with my personal preferences, if the Kings are pussyfooting around with a Hield deal, but you actually have the Wizards ready to go, you do the fucking deal. No question.

I just have mild concerns about the shooting against the other best teams in the country, who will invariably go under screens in the playoffs against the Lakers, and who will be able to shoot against the Lakers' perimeter defenders for the most part.

And I personally think Buddy + better supporting pieces makes for a more versatile Lakers roster while *still* being the second top heaviest team in the world. I think there'd be more flexibility, more obvious fit, still massive talent differential between them and anyone else in the West, etc. But again, that's just me. And as I mentioned above, Russ definitely brings a lot to the table if the goal is to load manage Bron and/or AD during the regular season-- and I have to imagine that's a big part of why they targeted him specifically, as he's an iron man.

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99. "I'm like how are the Lakers financially able to make this trade?"
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Russ is due 44 mil this coming season. What are they possibly trading besides Kuzma?

  

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100. "They’re gonna trade *cue Oldman in The Professional*"
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101. "RE: I'm like how are the Lakers financially able to make this trade?"
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>Russ is due 44 mil this coming season. What are they possibly
>trading besides Kuzma?

I'm sure if they can package enough players, the dollars will balance out.

My glaring issue with this trade is that the Lakers will be in the deepest depths of luxury tax hell with LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Westbrook all in that purple and gold.

The Lakers have to win at least one championship for this trade to worth it all, no?

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82. "This draft is going to be ridiculous."
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This shit is about to explode

  

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84. "Curious where Bradley ends up"
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87. "REPORT: He's staying in DC."
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Via @ThompsonScribe.

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91. "👍🏾"
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89. "Ricky Rubio to Cleveland, Taurean Prince to Minnesota."
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BIGGEST TRADE OF THE DAY!!

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90. "sixers tryna move simmons by tonight. warriors turned down this deal:"
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1420844815990857734
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76ers are asking the Warriors for Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, No. 7 and No. 14 picks and two future first round picks in a Ben Simmons trade, per
@PompeyOnSixers


Warriors declined that offer.
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i still think he ends up on the dubs because rich paul wants him there.

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95. "WOW…that’s a lot!!!"
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96. "Lmao. Philly management drunk early"
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>https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1420844815990857734
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>76ers are asking the Warriors for Andrew Wiggins, James
>Wiseman, No. 7 and No. 14 picks and two future first round
>picks in a Ben Simmons trade, per
>@PompeyOnSixers
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>Warriors declined that offer.
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>i still think he ends up on the dubs because rich paul wants
>him there.

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97. "GSW's right to do so. That's too much for a guy who wants to leave."
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Now, do I think GSW should counter with Wiggins, 7, 14, and two future 1sts? Sure. I'd even entertain the idea of Wiseman, 7, and two future 1sts.

But all that? For a guy who vocally wants outta town? Nah. I'd love to see Simmons on the Warriors, I think he'd be great... but nah.

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116. "not only does he wanna leave he prolly wants to go to the warriors lol."
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bob myers on the phone like 'yeah thats cute...let me know when to send ben his flight information'.

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103. "Sixers acting like they sending out Jokic AND Murray lol"
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106. "the 2 extra future firsts is asking too much"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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113. "Yeah, no way the Warriors make that deal"
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If you're going to give up all of that, it'd be for like a healthy-ish Kawhi.

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93. "Shamet to Phoenix…"
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What is happening????? Lol
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1420854039638650882?s=20

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104. "You know, I'm betting THT gets dealt in a S&T for a shooter"
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I can't see paying him with Russ on the team.

I wonder if that winds up the play for Buddy?

Buddy makes too much for a straight up swap.

I have to think that there are other deals in the pipeline

  

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107. "WHY NOT?!"
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this is going to be magnificent yall. dont overthink it.
Lebron + AD + Russ

as ever health is our only enemy

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108. "Laker Nation…"
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as the lone delegate from Russepotamia, I look forward to us working together.

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109. "Go to work, Sam…"
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https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1420886123648258048?s=20

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110. "*Sly grin*"
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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112. "Also: I expect this to be a W for the Wizards. "
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I've said it for the last two seasons: Kuz is probably a player, but that won't happen here.

I think he and Trez will have quality seasons this year. They'll have room to work. Worst case, they tread water and are right where they are.

Beal is a monster and entering his prime. They could fuck around and still build something around him.

  

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114. "Love Brad, man…"
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dude is a pure hooper. They must have made him some promises regarding the future and what they could put around him.

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117. "I like seeing a guy say "hey, this is my home. Please keep me here.""
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And Beal certainly is one of those dudes.

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118. "Spacing is an issue but Bron/AD/Russ? Ok!"
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119. "it'll be a issue in the playoffs. they'll have a wonderful regular seaso..."
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still the team to beat in the west though.

  

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120. "Agreed on both fronts."
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121. "I wonder if DeRozan"
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would be interested in being a 6th man at a reasonable price tag...

  

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