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"CFB and the 12 team playoff expansion"


          

I love the idea!

Someone said its headed to the NFL home field advantage and they think its a bad idea.

but doesn’t D2 and D3 already have playoffs with home field advantage?

Always felt like D1 was late to the playoff party.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Hate the idea but I'll watch it so lets get on w/ it
Jun 11th 2021
1
no shit. and this is the giant elephant in the room
Jun 11th 2021
8
      I agree with everything you said, especially the GQP that’s growing
Jun 11th 2021
17
           its definitely all about the occasional upset
Jun 11th 2021
18
I hate it. Bring back the BCS
Jun 11th 2021
2
its not the same model every other college division and high schools use
Jun 11th 2021
3
I would argue that CFB is approaching the MLB model more
Jun 11th 2021
6
MLB talent disparity
Jun 11th 2021
11
This, plus MLB disparity in money for conferences and teams
Jun 11th 2021
13
      Their def needs to be uniformity across the conferences
Jun 11th 2021
23
I dont know shit abt baseball, so I'll defer to you on that comparison
Jun 11th 2021
22
: )
Jun 22nd 2021
71
I feel like six teams is the perfect number
Jun 11th 2021
4
I think 8 would’ve worked. Power 5 and 3 at large
Jun 11th 2021
5
      exactly where I'm at
Jun 17th 2021
58
It's awful and cfb is headed in a really bad direction
Jun 11th 2021
7
CFB has been heading in a bad directions for decades now
Jun 11th 2021
9
that's why i specifically wrote 'for a lot of reasons'
Jun 11th 2021
10
      No doubt and I was just expressing my thoughts and issues
Jun 11th 2021
15
I think 16 is max.
Jun 11th 2021
12
      and why is 8 or 12 better than 4?
Jun 11th 2021
14
           I want to see any hot team that is undefeated or has one loss
Jun 11th 2021
16
                RE: I want to see any hot team that is undefeated or has one loss
Jun 11th 2021
19
                     I think you may also see teams resting players down the stretch
Jun 11th 2021
21
                     teams already rest players
Jun 13th 2021
32
                          RE: teams already rest players
Jun 13th 2021
37
                     people are tired of hearing experts and power 5 fans tell us
Jun 13th 2021
31
                          you speak for the people now?
Jun 13th 2021
33
                               lmao.. yeah, I am the people
Jun 13th 2021
34
                                    LOL. this is corporate greed. nobody gives a fuck abt you or me.
Jun 13th 2021
35
                                         also 'the people'
Jun 13th 2021
38
                                         their sport? is it your sport?
Jun 13th 2021
40
                                              who's on third?
Jun 13th 2021
42
                                         Well, I think we all know how much they care about the players
Jun 13th 2021
39
                                              again the point is flying over your head
Jun 13th 2021
41
                                                   no, I just disagree with you
Jun 13th 2021
44
                                                        shit man this is your direct quote
Jun 13th 2021
46
                                                             why should I watch another sport
Jun 14th 2021
48
                                                                  jesus. arent YOU the one complaining about the existing model?
Jun 14th 2021
50
                                                                       You told me to stop watching
Jun 17th 2021
55
                                                                            no. I told you to watch other sports to enjoy their model.
Jun 17th 2021
57
spreading the money around
Jun 11th 2021
20
I had higher hopes. this seems lame.
Jun 11th 2021
24
I think you'll see more top level talent sit out
Jun 11th 2021
25
Not a fan. Keep it at 4 or 8 at max. No need to saturate the CFP.
Jun 12th 2021
26
I also thought the 6 team model made sense
Jun 12th 2021
27
On the actual expansion, 12 teams makes no sense at all
Jun 12th 2021
28
RE: On the actual expansion, 12 teams makes no sense at all
Jun 12th 2021
29
its not based on conferences tho
Jun 13th 2021
36
who gives a shit if your draft stock is solidified?
Jun 13th 2021
43
they can barely find a 4th worthy team most years.
Jun 13th 2021
45
my off the top list of bigger issues plaguing cfb
Jun 12th 2021
30
with so many issues why do you watch it?
Jun 14th 2021
49
      you interpret things in strange ways and it's kinda exhausting
Jun 14th 2021
51
           translation: you don’t agree with me and its exhausting…
Jun 17th 2021
56
                translation: you're illogical and annoying
Jun 17th 2021
61
                     Cincinnati lost 42-0 to OSU the PRIOR year? whooa nelly!!
Jun 18th 2021
67
                          right who cares about what happened in the last full season of cfb
Jun 18th 2021
68
                               what happened in 2019 had no bearing on the 2020 season.
Jun 18th 2021
69
                                    RE: what happened in 2019 had no bearing on the 2020 season.
Jun 18th 2021
70
                                         bowl games with no stakes involved huh?
Jun 22nd 2021
73
                                              RE: bowl games with no stakes involved huh?
Jun 22nd 2021
74
RIP College Football
Jun 13th 2021
47
Herm and ASU about to be in some shit
Jun 16th 2021
52
Let’s see what the NCAA actually does here
Jun 16th 2021
53
      NCAA doesn’t wanna get involved in sexual assault
Jun 17th 2021
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           I agree on all of this and on a side note, you see this
Jun 17th 2021
63
                i think it was the ASU thing
Jun 18th 2021
64
eventually, a UCF or Boise type is gonna go to an SEC West school...
Jun 17th 2021
59
I think this could do wonders for college football
Jun 17th 2021
60
there we go he's finally got a backer
Jun 17th 2021
62
NFL development and competing for NC's are different things entirely
Jun 18th 2021
65
Bingo.. but I don’t think its really about recruiting or NFL talent
Jun 18th 2021
66
Very dumb. And Very predictable once the box was opened
Jun 22nd 2021
72
Not that anyone cares but Orgeron named in LSU sexual assault lawsuit
Jun 26th 2021
75
Not that anyone with the NCAA or LSU cares but Orgeron named in LSU sexu...
Jun 26th 2021
76
Nah it's everyone. Do cfb fans care? Does ESPN care?
Jun 26th 2021
77
feelgood 2019 all the way gone
Jun 26th 2021
78
UNC players not in favor of proposed 12-team College Football Playoff
Jul 08th 2021
79
UNC will never have to worry about playing 16 or 17 games
Jul 08th 2021
81
      wow doesn't this response undermine your entire argument? LOLLLLLLL
Jul 08th 2021
82
           If you lived in NC you would understand
Jul 09th 2021
83
#1 2021 recruit JT Tuimoloau picks OSU
Jul 08th 2021
80
Rose Bowl trying to hold onto that old ass 2PM kick off time
Jul 20th 2021
84
Rose bowl has been holding cfb hostage for the longest
Jul 20th 2021
86
Dabo and Clemson players not in favor of 12 team playoff format
Jul 20th 2021
85

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "Hate the idea but I'll watch it so lets get on w/ it"
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Fri Jun-11-21 11:55 AM by BrooklynWHAT

  

          

Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State still gonna win at the end anyway.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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8. "no shit. and this is the giant elephant in the room"
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>Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State still gonna win at the end
>anyway.


that nobody wants to talk about. we can't even find a legit 4 seed to compete. so the answer is...add 8 more undeserving teams that don't have a shot in hell in competing with the top 3?

and based on recruiting, the power gap is increasing not decreasing.

  

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17. "I agree with everything you said, especially the GQP that’s growing "
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I suppose by adding more teams you might get an upset or two every so often. That would make things a bit more exciting and interesting I suppose.

It could possibly help with recruiting as more teams that are able to say, “we made it to the CFB playoff last season and we just need “you” to win it next year” could help as well.

  

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18. "its definitely all about the occasional upset"
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Fri Jun-11-21 03:39 PM by legsdiamond

          

its the main reason the NCAA tourney is fun to watch

I really dont see the issue with a playoff formula.

people want to see less teams with a chance to win a championship? That is odd to me.


especially when you have preseason rankings that give teams a huge advantage to start the season.

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2. "I hate it. Bring back the BCS"
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the NFL is a dogshit league. I hate how CFB is steadily approaching that model.


>I love the idea!
>
>Someone said its headed to the NFL home field advantage and
>they think its a bad idea.
>
>but doesn’t D2 and D3 already have playoffs with home field
>advantage?
>
>Always felt like D1 was late to the playoff party.
>

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3. "its not the same model every other college division and high schools use"
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to decide their champion?

I’ve always thought it was weird that CFB was the only one who didnt use a playoff

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6. "I would argue that CFB is approaching the MLB model more"
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than the NFL model in terms of competitiveness.

  

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11. "MLB talent disparity"
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and then shoehorning that into a NFL regular season/playoff model.

it ain't gonna work.

  

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13. "This, plus MLB disparity in money for conferences and teams"
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The playoff thing is something all US major league sports do to determine their champions.

The regular season stuff, I do wish all the conferences would agree to play 9 conference games.

  

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23. "Their def needs to be uniformity across the conferences"
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>The regular season stuff, I do wish all the conferences would
>agree to play 9 conference games.

And one governing body when it comes scheduling, rules, etc.

The sec/ESPN political stranglehold on the sport really sucks.

Not interested in seeing 5 sec teams in the playoffs but you know that’s coming.

  

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22. "I dont know shit abt baseball, so I'll defer to you on that comparison"
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>than the NFL model in terms of competitiveness.

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71. ": )"
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I was always gonna win this.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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4. "I feel like six teams is the perfect number"
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One from each Power 5 school and a wildcard that could be Notre Dame or another independent. It could also be a Group of 5 school if it ranked high enough.

Yes, there would be legit complaints about a high-ranking team not getting in. But that's part of the fabric of CFB; the ranking system.

There would be byes and a more legit chance at upsets than a 12 team playoff.

This is all a cash grab but a 12 team playoff more so.

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5. "I think 8 would’ve worked. Power 5 and 3 at large"
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I don’t mind 12 though.

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58. "exactly where I'm at"
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7. "It's awful and cfb is headed in a really bad direction"
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for a lot of reasons.

but a bunch of us called this shit years ago...the 4 team playoff was never going to appease the people who didn't like cfb to begin with and never would.

12 teams, 24 teams, 48 teams...I don't know what exactly what y'all are chasing with this.

  

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9. "CFB has been heading in a bad directions for decades now"
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The CFB playoff isn’t completed responsible for the issues.

The NCAA, espn, crazy fans, and recruiting are all bigger issues.

  

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10. "that's why i specifically wrote 'for a lot of reasons'"
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and 'headed in a bad direction' can be interpreted in different ways.

in terms of quality of the game and it's popularity it has def not been headed in a bad direction for decades.

i would say the cfb playoff expansion and it's effect on the week to week quality of the regular season is a very big deal. as is the fact that the top 3 have completely separated themselves from everyone else.

if you want to get into a discussion about off the field issues, yet another emerging sexual abuse scandal at a once premier program then yeah for sure...all that has been a long time in the making.

  

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15. "No doubt and I was just expressing my thoughts and issues"
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I think it is a bit lazy and easy to say CFB playoffs are ruining everything. I would be curious to hear yours as well.

CFB playoffs and expansion is a big whatever for me because I know my school will probably never make it.

As a fan and alumni of my school I hate how game schedules change and are moved to satisfy espn or TV. It makes it difficult to schedule trips to games or watch my school play.

  

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12. "I think 16 is max. "
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but 12 works for me

I don’t see how picking the top 4 teams is better than an 8 or 12 team playoff.

Tired of the “UGA lost to Florida and Florida beat FSU but since Clemson beat Florida it means UCF beating UGA means nothing..” type arguments.

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14. "and why is 8 or 12 better than 4?"
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>but 12 works for me
>
>I don’t see how picking the top 4 teams is better than an 8
>or 12 team playoff.

what team were you dying to see get a shot as a 5th seed the past few years...let alone an additional 8 teams?

  

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16. "I want to see any hot team that is undefeated or has one loss"
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who looks like they can hang

Its not about my team but the UCF, Cincinnati, Utah, Boise teams that made noise..

I want to see them in the playoffs. Let them lose on the field instead of just telling me they have no shot. Cause when they actually make a larger bowl and best a power 5 school there are always excuses.

My question is why don’t you want to see an expanded playoff? What is the harm?

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19. "RE: I want to see any hot team that is undefeated or has one loss"
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>who looks like they can hang

Can you be specific about who recently looked like they could hang with the top teams but didn't get the chance?

>Its not about my team but the UCF, Cincinnati, Utah, Boise
>teams that made noise..

It's not 2008. The above mentioned teams don't have a prayer in competing. We're talking about 3-4 td point spreads here.

>My question is why don’t you want to see an expanded
>playoff? What is the harm?

Because it devalues the regular season and destroyed what make cfb unique. If you want the NFL then go watch the NFL. Why does everything have to be fucked with?

  

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21. "I think you may also see teams resting players down the stretch"
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End of season rivalry games will also lose their value

What made osu/mich such a great rivalry was that usually the winner was headed to the rose bowl. Now who cares?

  

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32. "teams already rest players"
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those Bama vs directional UL teams

and real talk, that Michigan/OSU rivalry is trash b.. lol. like you said, its no longer 2008.

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37. "RE: teams already rest players"
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>those Bama vs directional UL teams

no, resting players in supposed 'significant games' against real opponents.

>and real talk, that Michigan/OSU rivalry is trash b.. lol.
>like you said, its no longer 2008.

it was an example that can be applied to any rivalry which falls on the final game of the reg season.

  

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31. "people are tired of hearing experts and power 5 fans tell us "
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that these teams have no chance

Cincinnati had a really good shot at beating UGA. The more these games are played the greater a chance for an upset.

and how does it devalue the regular season? You still have to be top 12 to make the playoffs.

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33. "you speak for the people now?"
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>Cincinnati had a really good shot at beating UGA.

UGA wasn't a playoff team. UGA wasn't a top 3 team. UGA was missing how many players due to covid, injury, or early entry? bowl games last year were a hot mess.

>and how does it devalue the regular season? You still have to
>be top 12 to make the playoffs.

you've already been given your answer in this thread. it's fine if you don't agree but there aren't any new or inventive ways to answer this question.

  

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34. "lmao.. yeah, I am the people "
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and this is being entertained because people aren’t satisfied with the current playoff model.

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35. "LOL. this is corporate greed. nobody gives a fuck abt you or me."
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and most especially, the players.



>and this is being entertained because people aren’t
>satisfied with the current playoff model.
>

  

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38. "also 'the people'"
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are the same people that pissed and moaned about not having a playoff and would never watch cfb until it happened...and finally got their playoff and still pissed and moaned.

in other words these aren't real cfb fans and they will never be satisfied. cfb is wildly popular without the city based NFL watchers. we don't need 'em.

  

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40. "their sport? is it your sport? "
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42. "who's on third?"
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39. "Well, I think we all know how much they care about the players"
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and its not like they cared more when it was the BCS or the 4 team playoff

I don’t buy college fans who scream about player welfare anytime they don’t like the playoff model being changed or discussed.

We all know these kids are being used and easily replaced. Unless you plan to stop watching the faux concern doesn’t work in these debates.

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41. "again the point is flying over your head"
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you're acting like playoff expansion is some grassroots project enacted by Joe Football Fan for the good of the people.

it's some really misguided thinking. as is your assumption that you speak for the majority viewership.

  

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44. " no, I just disagree with you"
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you keep presenting your side like its the right way..

and I disagree.

Every other NCAA sport has a playoff with more than 4 teams except for D1 football.

D2 has 28 teams in their football playoff
D3 has 32 teams in their football playoff

but you act like 6, 8 or 12 is the NFL model?

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46. "shit man this is your direct quote"
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**"and this is being entertained because people aren’t satisfied with the current playoff model."**



this isn't you presenting your feelings on playoff expansion which i can simply agree or disagree with. this is you making a wildly incorrect assumption and posing it as fact.

I'm giving you how *I* feel on the matter. And you're taking the liberty of speaking for 'everyone'.

meanwhile, the feedback ive read on twitter and in the media has been overwhelmingly negative about the new 12 team proposal. and literally every person in this thread said they aren't fucking with it either so maybe you need to take another tally and reassess your position as spokesperson of the common fan?


>Every other NCAA sport has a playoff with more than 4 teams
>except for D1 football.

so then go watch the other sports! sheesh. is it some rule that postseason play has to be uniform across all sports? like who cares about what they do in women's archery?

  

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48. "why should I watch another sport"
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when CFB is heading in the direction I want it to? lmao

seems like YOU may have to find another sport if this happens

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50. "jesus. arent YOU the one complaining about the existing model?"
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and the one that existed prior to the entirety of its lifespan?

why would I not watch a sport that I've enjoyed for my entire life? im not the one here making irrelevant comparisons to sports i have no interest in.

>seems like YOU may have to find another sport if this happens

and good job blowing past this question:

"meanwhile, the feedback ive read on twitter and in the media has been overwhelmingly negative about the new 12 team proposal. and literally every person in this thread said they aren't fucking with it either so maybe you need to take another tally and reassess your position as spokesperson of the common fan?"

  

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55. "You told me to stop watching"
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simply because I don’t like the current model.

just showing you how ridiculous it is to tell people to stop watching if they don’t like the current format.

lmao @ “on twitter”

fuck twitter

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57. "no. I told you to watch other sports to enjoy their model."
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>simply because I don’t like the current model.
>
>just showing you how ridiculous it is to tell people to stop
>watching if they don’t like the current format.

and enjoy cfb for what it is and has always been. and what has made it so immensely popular.

I never said you had to stop watching cfb. you can do whatever the hell you want, i don't really care. but your reasoning that cfb has to change their postseason system because "other sports do it like this" is pretty illogical. but that's an underlying theme with all of your responses.


>lmao @ “on twitter”
>
>fuck twitter

and fuck every single person in this thread?

you stated that this move was being considered because it's what the majority of people want. yet you have provided absolutely nothing to back up that claim. you can't even get one(!) person in this thread to agree with you. anyone with half a brain can see that this is strictly a money grab for universities and corporations.

  

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20. "spreading the money around"
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CFP just made it easier for the super elite programs to win national titles...bama (7), Clemson (6), Ohio State (4) and Oklahoma (4) have taken 21 of the 28 spots since the inception just by themselves.

there's going to be plenty of early fuckery though while teams figure this out. we'll hear about the 20 teams with 3 losses all bitching about not being in, which sounds not that fun.

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24. "I had higher hopes. this seems lame."
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every conference winner shoud control its own destiny, even if that destiny is losing by 40 in Norman

5 at large teams really hammers home extent of the commercialization of college football

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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25. "I think you'll see more top level talent sit out"
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Why risk injury?

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26. "Not a fan. Keep it at 4 or 8 at max. No need to saturate the CFP."
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There hasn’t been a single team yet who I genuinely thought was robbed of a bc they didn’t finish in the top 4/CFP. I guess you could make a case for UCF a few years back.

Years back when this was a hot topic on here, I was an advocate of a 6 team playoff (top 2 seeds get a bye), and still prefer that setup. As someone who started watching college football in the late 80s/early 90s, I hated the ambiguous formula for crowning a champion. You honestly didn’t know in real time who the champion was unless it was crystal clear. Think of the split in ‘90 between Colorado (who never should’ve been in position to play for a title) and GTech. Or the following year with Miami/Washington. That was less controversial, but pretty anticlimactic. Then in ‘94, Nebraska wins the championship outright over a pretty dominant PSU team (I get it, fuck PSU, but try to look at it objectively). Just 3 years later, Michigan gets to split the title with Nebraska. Makes no sense to me bc that Michigan team didn’t do anything better than the ‘94 PSU team. Flash forward to ‘03 when the polls favor a clearly inferior Oklahoma team over USC in the championship game. LSU got a gift from the polls.

The BCS did help to correct a lot of the ambiguities in determining a CFB champion. But as we can see now, has no answers for the super powers that are forming with Alabama, Clemson, and OSU. If the PAC 10 ever gets their shit together and Oklahoma/Texas rise to power again, it’ll only complicate things. That’s why I’ve always favored the 6 teams. You still have controversy over the top 2 - who get a bye, and you ensure that no great team gets left out.

As someone else mentioned, CFB has so many issues right now. The playoffs aren’t near the top IMO. I’d prefer they kept it in the 4-8 range though.

  

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27. "I also thought the 6 team model made sense"
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because of course there was going to be major gripes when one of the power conferences was left out.

but times change and the PAC is no longer a competitive league. I don't think they should have a guaranteed seat at the table 'just because'. The AAC is actually a stronger conference right now.

There's going to be a 1-2 loss team from a different power conference sitting at home that would beat the brakes off the PAC champ. And would also bring a lot more fans to the game as well as tv viewers.

PAC needs to get their shit together as a conference instead of complaining their way into a free and undeserved handout.

  

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28. "On the actual expansion, 12 teams makes no sense at all"
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They should have made it 6 or 8 but 12 is way too many teams.

For all the talk about how down the Pac 12 is, outside of Clemson, the ACC isn’t very good. FSU and Miami are both down, who is the second best team in the ACC deserving of a spot? UNC?

This basically guarantees we get to see Notre Dame every year in the playoffs. They will probably be a 4-6 range seed and get to play the MWC champ and actually win a playoff game before getting their ass beat by OSU or Bama or Clemson.

This also guarantees Oklahoma and 3 loss Texas team probably gets a spot each year.

  

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29. "RE: On the actual expansion, 12 teams makes no sense at all"
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>For all the talk about how down the Pac 12 is, outside of
>Clemson, the ACC isn’t very good. FSU and Miami are both
>down, who is the second best team in the ACC deserving of a
>spot? UNC?

True.

And this is something else I was going to bring up. Clemson opens with UGA on a neutral. If Clemson loses and then runs the table...is Clemson an automatic top 4? Their schedule is absolutely horrendous. And they miss miami and UNC in their crossover games.


>This basically guarantees we get to see Notre Dame every year
>in the playoffs. They will probably be a 4-6 range seed and
>get to play the MWC champ and actually win a playoff game
>before getting their ass beat by OSU or Bama or Clemson.

Good point. It gets ND a playoff win but we arrive at the same destination as before. All we're doing is watering the process down and devaluing the regular season.


>This also guarantees Oklahoma and 3 loss Texas team probably
>gets a spot each year.

Right. Which will make their regular season matchup and subsequent conf championship matchup even less significant.

  

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36. "its not based on conferences tho"
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if the ACC doesn’t have another team in the top 12.. you wont see another ACC team.

will star athletes sit out of playoff games? Maybe.. but I think most will see it as an opportunity to leap frog into the first round if their stock isn’t that high.

sitting out a bowl game is one thing but sitting out of a playoff with a chance to advance? Will probably see more play than not.

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43. "who gives a shit if your draft stock is solidified?"
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>will star athletes sit out of playoff games? Maybe.. but I
>think most will see it as an opportunity to leap frog into the
>first round if their stock isn’t that high.

  

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45. "they can barely find a 4th worthy team most years."
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8 is more than enough

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30. "my off the top list of bigger issues plaguing cfb"
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granted, I don't necessarily have solutions to some of these problems...


-sexual assault coverups (pls stop)

-neutral site games in NFL stadiums (this isn't what cfb is about)

-4+ hour games due to tv timeouts, excessive penalty reviews

-dwindling attendance and worsening fan experience (in part because of game length, corporitzation of stadium experience, never ending booth reviews, weak opponent scheduling)

-espn/sec stranglehold on the sport. CFB should be promoted - not any one particular conference. the propaganda machine isn't good for the sport.

-preseason/early season polls which serve no purpose other than to create bias

-scheduling FCS opponents

-SEC scheduling FCS opponents in november

-player ejections and excessive booth reviews for making football plays. these ejections are influencing the outcome of games and that shouldn't be the case. at least we got rid of the perp walk.

-poor officiating

-coaches bailing on teams prior to bowl season

-players bailing on bowl games

-dominance by the big 3. I really don't know how to fix this. clemson has next to no shot at losing a conference game. And OSU isn't that far behind with their level of B1G dominance. it's boring af.

-new transfer rules: I'm all for increasing players rights but I'm concerned that small schools will become feeder schools for the big programs and thus further widening balance of power

-lack of governing body to ensure that rules and scheduling are equal across all conferences

-ND: join a conference already

-Fox scheduling the best B1G game each week at noon. Sucks for OSU but really sucks for Oregon this year when they travel across the country for what will be the equivalent of a 9am start for. Everyone loses with this format and a top 10 team like oregon deserves better.

-New Year's Eve playoff games

-CFB playoff committee: They're corporate buffoons. Get rid of them.

-Lack of transparency during playoff selection process. We're deciding college football bowl matchups. Not breaking down highly classified military intelligence. Enough with the closed door nonsense.

-New OT format (while fun) is devolving into something that doesn't resemble football

  

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49. "with so many issues why do you watch it? "
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51. "you interpret things in strange ways and it's kinda exhausting"
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56. "translation: you don’t agree with me and its exhausting…"
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trying to get you to change your mind

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61. "translation: you're illogical and annoying"
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In an earlier exchange someone asked me to share what I think the bigger problems in cfb are. So I did. Not sure how that gets twisted into you questioning whether or not I should continue watching cfb. It's really not your concern.

>trying to get you to change your mind

and who's mind have have you changed here?

let's recap:

You start a thread about how much you love the new playoff idea. Literally every single person in this thread responds with how much they hate it.

You were asked several times to name a recent non-playoff team that you feel had a legit shot of winning the NC and you can't name ONE damn team.

You bring up cincinnati and georgia...a really great example given that UGA wasn't even a playoff team and also missing a boatload of their players. And they *still* won. Also fun fact... Cincinnati lost to OSU (an actual playoff team) 42-0 the year prior.

I've asked you several times why nobody in this thread likes the new format despite your claims that the change was made because of popular demand...and you ignore this question every time.

The only semi coherent argument you've made for changing the format is "because other sports do it" and therefore we need to mimic their model because...I dunno.

Like this isn't even a big deal, you're allowed to like whatever you like, but normally you'd just agree to disagree and move on. But if you're hellbent on changing people's minds then come up with an actual argument, answer questions when they're directed at you instead of getting all hurt about it.


  

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67. "Cincinnati lost 42-0 to OSU the PRIOR year? whooa nelly!! "
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lmao at most of the people in this thread

Most of the people on OKS say this is the year they are REALLY thinking about no longer watching the NFL because they don’t care about the players health and safety yet they turn right back around and say its why they love college football?

that good ole hypocrisy

same people be glued to the TV when the 12 team playoffs start.





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68. "right who cares about what happened in the last full season of cfb"
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or what the majority of last year's roster did against an actual playoff team.

meanwhile you're referencing Boise freakin state who last pulled off a major bowl upset 15(!) years ago. And utah who you might not be aware has been a power 5 team since 2010 and has had every opportunity to make the playoffs if they were good enough.


>Most of the people on OKS say this is the year they are REALLY
>thinking about no longer watching the NFL because they don’t
>care about the players health and safety yet they turn right
>back around and say its why they love college football?

what on god's earth are you talking about? and how is it relevant to this thread?

if everyone's opinion's here is so worthless then why did you start a thread to discuss the issue? im sure you can find a more enlightened forum where your compelling arguments will be applauded.

  

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69. "what happened in 2019 had no bearing on the 2020 season. "
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and I didn’t bring up Boise and Utah because I think they are playoff teams. Not sure why you would even jump to that conclusion.

I brought up Boise and Utah because they beat Power 5 schools in bowls.. and people made excuses when they won.

But the point is every few years there is a Cincinnati or UCF or (insert whatever team is undefeated) and they should have a chance to make the playoff.

Its absolutely ridiculous to bring up a blowout loss in 2019 as proof of anything in 2020.

Teams change every year dude.


I brought the topic hear to debate it. I didnt bring it hear for a vote to decide on how I should feel about the playoffs. lmao

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70. "RE: what happened in 2019 had no bearing on the 2020 season. "
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>and I didn’t bring up Boise and Utah because I think they
>are playoff teams. Not sure why you would even jump to that
>conclusion.

"Its not about my team but the UCF, Cincinnati, Utah, Boise teams that made noise.. "
^^^^

Oh ok, you were so crystal clear with this statement it's amazing how anyone could have misconstrued the meaning!

and within the context of this discussion, what difference is there between a team getting a shot in a bowl game vs. a playoff team? don't you need to be in the playoffs in order to get your shot in the bowl game? Like isn't this exactly what you want...for the smaller teams to make the playoffs and get their shot at an upset?

there is no recent precedent for smaller teams banging with the top 3. ND and oklahoma can't even do it.

>I brought up Boise and Utah because they beat Power 5 schools
>in bowls.. and people made excuses when they won.

keep in mind that you're referencing bowl game outcomes from 2006 and 2008. and bowl games with zero stakes involved.

so the irony of you lecturing me about year to year changes or an outcome from 2019 not being relevant is pretty funny.


>Its absolutely ridiculous to bring up a blowout loss in 2019
>as proof of anything in 2020.

right but the 2006/2008 examples were not ridiculous. got it.

And using a game from 2019 is a great barometer to use when gauging the overall talent and abilities of two programs.. Unless you think Cincy closed a 42 point talent gap over the course of one year.


>I brought the topic hear to debate it. I didnt bring it hear
>for a vote to decide on how I should feel about the playoffs.
>lmao

you haven't debated anything. all you've done is whine when people haven't agreed with you and have completely ignored their relevant questioning (because you don't have an answer).

and no one said shit about a vote or trying to change your opinion on the matter. nobody cares enough to do that and you're more than welcome to your opinion.

the issue is you made a statement about how the playoff format is changing to due to fan demand (false) and that the majority of people agree with you. You've provided no evidence for this because you can't and it's untrue. And instead of acknowledging that everyone on this board disagrees with you (albeit a small sample size), you rationalize it by insulting everyone's credibility and go off on some weirdo tangent about NFL and board hypocrisy.

  

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73. "bowl games with no stakes involved huh? "
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them you ask the difference between a bowl game and a playoff game? you just answered the question in your rant. A bowl game has no stakes right? Well a playoff game does..

lmao at talent deficiencies. A bad loss in 2018 or 2019 should never impact the evaluation of a team the next year.

I know all this is your fear of OSU getting a bad matchup in a playoff game. lmao




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74. "RE: bowl games with no stakes involved huh? "
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>them you ask the difference between a bowl game and a playoff
>game?

Except I didn't ask that. You just can't read for shit. And on top of that you're clearly trolling. Instead of agreeing to disagree like a normal human being you wanna argue without making any actual arguments. I'm done.

Terrific work on convincing everyone how great the new system is.

  

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47. "RIP College Football"
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its so blah now.


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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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52. "Herm and ASU about to be in some shit"
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Too bad. I had fully bought in to what Herm was building at ASU and thought they were primed to make the jump this year and win the PAC south.

But ya, miss me with the auto playoff bid for this JV conference...


https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-investigating-arizona-state-football-for-recruiting-violations-194707554.html?guccounter=1


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Sources: NCAA investigating Arizona State football after dossier alleged glut of recruiting violations
Pete Thamel

Earlier this month, an anonymous person sent a dossier of dozens of pages to the Arizona State athletic department. It included screenshots, receipts, pictures and emails related to numerous potential violations within Arizona State’s football program, according to sources.

The NCAA enforcement staff is in possession of those documents, sources told Yahoo Sports. Among the enforcement staff members working on the case is Vic DeNardi, an assistant director of enforcement. And the arrival of those documents to Arizona State compliance chief Steve Webb has ASU officials conducting internal interviews. (The NCAA declined comment.)

Arizona State vice president for media relations Katie Paquet confirmed the NCAA investigation to Yahoo Sports, which was first reported by The Athletic. She declined further comment on specific allegations.

The documentation includes specific evidence of multiple examples of high school prospects taking illicit on-campus recruiting trips to the Arizona State campus. Those came during the pandemic-inspired dead period that ended June 1. For more than a year prior, NCAA rules explicitly banned players from visiting on campus because of COVID-19. The dossier, according to sources, lays out pieces of both the players' trips to campus and how those trips were paid for.

Sources said members of the football program deliberately, blatantly and consistently broke rules related to hosting players during the dead period, including coach Herm Edwards meeting with recruits. A source added that the evidence included pictures of the visits, including Edwards with a recruit who ended up enrolling at ASU. “It’s clear whoever provided it had a ton of access and knowledge of the football program,” a source told Yahoo Sports. “The stuff in there wouldn’t be provided by anyone outside the football program.”

When asked specifically about meeting with recruits and parents during the dead period in a text message, Edwards told Yahoo: “No comment thanks.”

At a time when the application of NCAA rules by the enforcement staff has been fickle, the prospect of ASU committing run-of-the-mill recruiting violations is trumped by the brazen nature of hosting dozens of kids on campus during the pandemic.

Yahoo Sports interviewed more than a dozen current or former ASU staff members this week. Multiple sources indicated that at least 30 players visited campus over a span of months, a practice so common coaches referenced “official visit weekends” in staff meetings, coaches bumped into recruits and families in a back stairwell and a routine developed of facility tours being given around 9 p.m. or 10 p.m. at night.

On one weekend in October, there were so many high school kids visiting that a staff member parked a 12-person van in the staff parking lot to tour around recruits. The visits spanned months, sources said, including some in October, the weekend of the UCLA game in December and through the spring game, which one source said “was like an official visit weekend.”

“It wasn’t a secret,” said a staff member with direct knowledge of the visits. “As far as knowing everyone who came into that office, the number is too big and the names are too many. They would bring in parents, their moms and dads and friends. They’d get a facility tour like they were on an official visit. They’d show you the weight room and training room. They’d show you everything.”

In perhaps the most extreme example of how normalized the illicit recruiting had become, one Bay Area prospect — who enrolled at a rival Pac-12 school — worked out with a position coach at a local park. The video of that workout was shot on a cell phone camera and then evaluated in an offensive staff meeting of more than a dozen coaches. Not only was the workout and visit against the rules, but the staffers evaluated the illegal workout on the illegal visit as if it were a recruit's high school game tape. The staff now must hope that same recruit and others like him don't detail their visits to the NCAA, which has leverage over the players' eligibility.

“The confusing part is why you’d put your career on a 17-year-old senior,” said one source.


The notion of a school repeatedly breaking rules about official visits was offensive to college officials, as it resonates as both a distinct competitive advantage and foolish to attempt to execute during a pandemic.

“It’s a disrespectful thing to do,” Stanford coach David Shaw told Yahoo Sports. “That doesn’t sound overly harsh. But for me being a lifer in this profession and a coach’s kid, I believe in respecting our profession and respecting the other people in the profession. Doing things that you’re not supposed to do just to gain an advantage, I take offense to that.”

Added Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick: “If there was ever a time when everyone following the same rules was critical, it’s now during a pandemic and during a time of such national scrutiny on college athletics.”

'There's too many disgruntled people'

The arrival of the dossier at Arizona State football became the subject of intense intrigue this week, as it underscored the schism that has divided — and could potentially disrupt — the tenure of fourth-year coach Herm Edwards. While Edwards operates as a mostly hands-off CEO, associate head coach Antonio Pierce has accumulated much of the power in the ASU program thanks to his recruiting reach. His rise to power has been enabled by deputy athletic director Jean Boyd, who oversees football.

With Pierce’s power has also come division, as coaches have lost jobs, recruiting staff have felt pressure to blindly follow Pierce’s aggressive tactics and multiple sources said that those who insisted on avoiding recruiting gray areas were ostracized. That left a running joke on group texts and in phone calls this week about the mystery of who collected and documented all the receipts, emails and screenshots.

“There’s too many disgruntled people,” said one source. “There’s too many people that have been through that program that are frustrated. It could be any one of 10 people.”

Multiple sources indicated that there were numerous staff members — one estimated a half-dozen — “keeping receipts” on illicit recruiting activity. One said that Pierce fostered an “in or out” culture within the program, which created mistrust and fear as he accumulated power and convinced Edwards to bring in recruiting-focused coaches like defensive backs coach Chris Hawkins and receivers coach Prentice Gill. Neither had on-field experience at a Power Five school. They replaced veteran coaches who Pierce didn’t think recruited well enough.

As a distinct “camp” formed around Pierce and those loyal to him, coaches and staffers began collecting evidence as protection for their own jobs. And that’s why it remains a mystery as to who accumulated and sent the dossier, which one source estimated was more than three dozen pages.

“I don’t know who sent it, that’s what stuns me,” said another source. “I don’t know. When you don’t care , and so many people are seeing and knowing what’s going on… When you’re above the law and thumb your nose to it, it’s karma. You reap what you sow.”

How intense are the hard feelings toward ASU?

As social media rumblings of Arizona State’s issues arose this week, two prominent former ASU coaches trolled their former program on Twitter. Kevin Mawae, the NFL Hall of Fame offensive lineman who was passed over for ASU’s offensive line job, put out a bible verse that hinted that ASU’s compliance comeuppance was coming. “For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all.” (He’s since deleted the tweet.)

Dave Christensen, the former Wyoming head coach who retired from ASU in 2020, responded with three emojis — one thinking, one wide-eyed and another with praying hands. (Both declined comment when reached by Yahoo Sports.)

Multiple former staff members told Yahoo Sports they’d be happy to speak to the NCAA, an unusual stance in a football culture that frowns on anyone speaking to the NCAA. It speaks to how divided the staff at ASU became.

“People are crossing their fingers, hoping they can talk to the NCAA,” one former staffer said. “There’s not going to be a lot of holding back — video guys, trainers, equipment guys. You’re going to find people very willing to talk. It’s because (Pierce and his followers) were not nice to the people who are good people. Some people were on board. Some weren’t. If you weren’t on board, you got blackballed.”

Multiple former staffers said that the dozens of recruits who came on campus during the dead period should be easy to track by going through the ASU football building and the surrounding area’s security cameras.

It wasn’t uncommon for Edwards and multiple coaches to host recruits in his office. As the amount of illicit activity rose, tensions simmered in the office. Coaches said that hosting recruits would have been too common to get security officials to agree to shut the cameras off every time a recruit came into the building during a dead period.

“The people who walked the straight and narrow were forced out,” said another former staffer. “The culture that had been festering there had been able to bloom full go. I’m not surprised to hear this.”

When Arizona State athletic director Ray Anderson, a former agent, hired his old client four years ago, the college football world greeted it with a collective skepticism. The experiment had gone OK so far, with ASU going 17-13 through three seasons. Some of ASU’s biggest wins came on the recruiting trail, as quarterback Jayden Daniels chose ASU over a host of bluebloods and the Sun Devils began casting a national net. That’s included recent commitments from New York, Florida, Philadelphia and Louisiana.

That expanded net, and the success in the Los Angeles area where Pierce coached high school, has raised eyebrows around the country.

That recruiting success will surely be viewed through a more skeptical prism in the wake of this NCAA investigation. Coaches view the notion of having recruits visit during a dead period of nearly a year-and-a-half as significant.

“In this specific case, it’s a definite advantage,” Shaw said. “When it’s the first place you see or the only place you see, sometimes the kids feel special. ...To me, that’s always the double-edged sword. This team cheated to get you. Now they’re telling you to follow the rule, they’re going to hold you to a high standard that you can’t meet yourself.”

  

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53. "Let’s see what the NCAA actually does here"
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Part of me thinks they will want to make an example of ASU as they aren’t a big and historic program and they don’t play in the SEC.

While all this blatantly violates recruiting rules, it is going to look terrible and hypocritical when ASU/Herm gets punished and nothing happens to LSU/Orgeron for covering up sexual assault by players.

  

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54. "NCAA doesn’t wanna get involved in sexual assault "
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But easy shit like this is right in their wheelhouse

  

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63. "I agree on all of this and on a side note, you see this "
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https://mobile.twitter.com/georgewrighster/status/1404513691664470023?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1404513691664470023%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbearinsider.com%2Fforums%2F1%2Ftopics%2F102114

It’s probably a bunch of bullshit but I hope he wasn’t referring to the ASU thing because if so that’s some click bait bullshit.

  

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64. "i think it was the ASU thing"
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>It’s probably a bunch of bullshit but I hope he wasn’t
>referring to the ASU thing because if so that’s some click
>bait bullshit.

  

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59. "eventually, a UCF or Boise type is gonna go to an SEC West school..."
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...and win a round 1 playoff game on the road in double overtime and it's going to be so fucking cool

  

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60. "I think this could do wonders for college football"
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right now, the same superpower teams keep making the playoff...but I really feel if you expand the playoff and more teams are in theory able to compete for a championship, wouldn't that help the non-ohio state, alabama, and clemsons of the world recruit better? Like if you're a 5 star right now and you have your eye on the league, why would you go anywhere but Ohio State or Alabama?

Now, more teams will have the opportunity to play under the brightest lights in the most important games. It's going to be a few years until that effect takes hold, but it will happen.

OBVIOUSLY college basketball teams field way fewer scholarships than football teams do, but when a Virginia Commonwealth or Loyola Chicago wins games in March it changes EVERYTHING for those programs.

  

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62. "there we go he's finally got a backer"
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65. "NFL development and competing for NC's are different things entirely"
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>Like if you're a 5 star right now
>and you have your eye on the league, why would you go anywhere
>but Ohio State or Alabama?

and there's a lot more that goes into choosing a school than simply being able to compete in the playoffs.

I get what you're saying overall though and it definitely does makes sense in theory...but not in application IMO.

the have-not's of cfb are more than a free playoff ticket away from asserting or reasserting themselves as national powers.

take a team like USC for example. they could be a superpower within 1-2 years but they're not willing to do what it takes to compete at that level. their road to the playoffs is about as easy as it gets under the current structure but they still can't get it done. their entire conference is a mess and the best players on the west coast are heading to other regions to play football for a slew of reasons.

Texas is losing their top talent to OSU and SEC schools. This would've been unheard of 15 years ago. Is giving a 3 loss texas team a free ride into the playoffs (only to get their asses kicked) really the solution to this problem? It just feels like applying a band aid to a gunshot wound.

Also while it may help to give a free ride to some of the the lesser successful teams into the dance...you now have pretty much zero chance that bama/osu/clemson will ever miss a playoff spot. That seems really unproductive if the goal is bring back a little bit more parity to the game. Also it's just fucking boring.

  

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66. "Bingo.. but I don’t think its really about recruiting or NFL talent"
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The best players on most top 25 schools are going to the pros. You don’t need the playoffs to make the pros.

But it can give you a chance to fly up the board with a great game or 2 in the playoffs where everyone is watching.

I think the real fun is the potential for an upset or 2 in the first round.

I just find is funny how people are like “we don’t need to see these teams play each other because we know who will win?

Huh?

IMO some people who are fans of the major schools realize more teams means more chances for their team to lose.



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72. "Very dumb. And Very predictable once the box was opened "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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75. "Not that anyone cares but Orgeron named in LSU sexual assault lawsuit"
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31709762/lsu-tigers-coach-ed-orgeron-added-defendant-amended-title-ix-lawsuit


Friday, June 25, 2021
LSU Tigers coach Ed Orgeron added as defendant in amended Title IX lawsuit
By Heather Dinich
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An amended Title IX lawsuit against LSU adds football coach Ed Orgeron as a defendant for failing to properly report an allegation of rape, according to a copy of the updated lawsuit obtained by ESPN.

Ashlyn Robertson is one of three additional women to have joined the lawsuit, which states that in the fall of 2016, Robertson told her new boyfriend, who had been recruited to play for LSU, that then-Tigers running back Derrius Guice raped her.

According to the lawsuit, Robertson's boyfriend disclosed the rape to Orgeron, who allegedly responded by telling Robertson's boyfriend not to be upset because "everybody's girlfriend sleeps with other people." At the time, Orgeron issued a statement denying he said that, and "credibly denied" being told about the incident, according to the Husch Blackwell investigation into LSU's handling of sexual misconduct cases. The law firm wasn't able to interview the former player who allegedly had the conversation with Orgeron.

The amended lawsuit states Orgeron never reported the rape to the Title IX office or any other office at LSU. The incident and the allegation against Orgeron were previously reported in an August 2020 USA Today article, but the class action complaint against LSU was amended on Friday to include LSU's head coach as a defendant.

LSU school spokesman Ernie Ballard provided the following statement to ESPN on Friday evening: "We are reviewing this update to a previously filed lawsuit, but as stated before, we are focused on taking actions to ensure that we create a campus that is safe, just and worthy of the trust that has been placed in us."

Orgeron and an LSU athletic department spokesperson were not immediately available for comment.

  

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76. "Not that anyone with the NCAA or LSU cares but Orgeron named in LSU sexu..."
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I fixed that for you.

  

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77. "Nah it's everyone. Do cfb fans care? Does ESPN care?"
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the cfb world (this board included) get real selective with their moralizing

  

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78. "feelgood 2019 all the way gone"
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sadly, not so atypical at a major college program

now I know why Guice was off so many NFL draft boards

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79. "UNC players not in favor of proposed 12-team College Football Playoff"
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North Carolina players not in favor of proposed 12-team College Football Playoff, says coach Mack Brown




North Carolina coach Mack Brown said Thursday that during a team discussion about the expanded 12-team College Football Playoff, his players were against the format and preferred six to eight teams.

During a wide-ranging Zoom with reporters, Brown mentioned that ACC commissioner Jim Phillips had asked all coaches to get feedback from players about playoff expansion. Last month, the CFP board of managers authorized commissioners to move forward with expanding from four to 12 teams, with an implementation date to be determined.

North Carolina linebacker Jeremiah Gemmel told ESPN that nobody on the team raised their hand in favor of a 12-team playoff. He said a few players preferred to stay at four, while the majority was split between six and eight teams.


"I feel like 12 teams is too many games in a season for players who want to play long-term football," Gemmel said in a phone interview. "Sixteen, 17 games in a season is a lot of wear and tear on the body, especially for guys who don't come out when they're playing."

Players also felt strongly that conference champions should get an automatic spot, in addition to the top Group of 5 champion. Under the proposed 12-team format, there would be no automatic bids. In addition, Brown said some players wondered whether there were 12 teams good enough to win the national championship.

"Because they wanted the playoffs to be about who is good enough to win all the games or win the national championship, not just have a bunch of teams involved," Brown said.

Interestingly, North Carolina might have benefited from a 12-team format last season. The Tar Heels finished the regular season 8-3 and received a spot in a New Year's Six game against Texas A&M in the Capital One Orange Bowl after ranking No. 13 in the final CFP standings. There is little doubt they would most definitely have been in the discussion to take the final spot.

"Just talking with some guys on the team, when we let Virginia and Florida State slip away you can't get those games back," Gemmel said. "I don't feel like we deserve to be in the playoff if you lose two games like that during the season."

Phillips said in a statement last month after the board of managers approved moving forward with expansion that the league looked forward to having student-athletes participate in the discussions about what is best for postseason college football.

Brown lamented the fact that the expansion discussion and subsequent decision moved as quickly as it did, without getting as much input as possible from all the stakeholders. The CFP management committee is currently going through a summer review with bowl games and ESPN to determine the feasibility of the 12-team plan. The board is next scheduled to meet in September.

"I said that we need more inclusion in my opinion with athletes that are playing, and we need more inclusion from the coaches that are coaching it, so the voice needs to be heard," Brown said. "Decisions aren't finalized yet, but I did think it was important our commissioner wanted reactions from our players. We're just trying to make sure that everybody understands what the thoughts of everybody are when we go into such a huge jump from four to 12, instead of just having it happen."

Gemmel added that while playoff expansion will open the field to more teams, he and his teammates have only one goal in mind: Win every game and become ACC champions.

"It's giving us a better opportunity to get in the playoffs, but that's not really our cause right now," Gemmel said. "We're trying to win every football game and win the ACC championship, so we want to be top four regardless going into the College Football Playoffs. We thought between the 12, 6 and 8, maybe we slip a game here and there, but everybody's thoughts on the team is we're winning every game, and we're winning the ACC championship. Why worry about if we come in 12th place, we're in the playoff? We're not thinking about that. We're thinking about being the No. 1 team in the nation. That's a good thing."

  

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81. "UNC will never have to worry about playing 16 or 17 games"
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82. "wow doesn't this response undermine your entire argument? LOLLLLLLL"
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I thought any team could win it if only given the chance? oh well.

anyways, kinda interesting to hear from actual players and coaches on this issue since they're opinions were clearly never taken into consideration at all.

  

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83. "If you lived in NC you would understand "
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80. "#1 2021 recruit JT Tuimoloau picks OSU"
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It's about time OSU gets some good recruiting news!

That's 3 5 star recruits out of the state of Washington in the last 3 recruiting cycles. If UW keeps these kids home like they should, the trajectory of their program looks wildly different. PAC schools will never be able to compete if their best players are heading down south and to the midwest. I really don't think an auto bid to the playoffs is going to reverse this trend but we shall see I guess.

  

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84. "Rose Bowl trying to hold onto that old ass 2PM kick off time"
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who gives a fuck about your sun setting during the game.

Let go and let the football Gawds have their 12 team playoff.

Step off grandpa - New Jack City!

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86. "Rose bowl has been holding cfb hostage for the longest"
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85. "Dabo and Clemson players not in favor of 12 team playoff format"
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31849847/clemson-tigers-dabo-swinney-not-favor-inevitable-12-team-college-football-playoff



Clemson Tigers' Dabo Swinney not in favor of 'inevitable' 12-team College Football Playoff
By Andrea Adelson
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CLEMSON, S.C. -- Clemson coach Dabo Swinney said Tuesday neither he nor his players are in favor of an expanded 12-team College Football Playoff, but he also knows that change is inevitably coming to the format.

In his first news conference since the CFP board of managers authorized commissioners to move forward with expanding from four to 12 teams, Swinney said he was not surprised at the move to add more teams, noting he was also against a four-team playoff.

"I knew when it went to four, it was going to become all about the playoff, and when it goes to 12, it's going to become more about the playoff, but it's inevitable," Swinney said. "Some people will say, 'Well you've been in the playoff. If we can get in with four, we're going to get in with 12.' Our odds aren't going to go down, so it's not about that.

"Our team isn't for it. They don't want to play more games. And to be honest with you, I don't know if there's 12 teams good enough. So you're going to play more games just to play more games. And I think the more you expand it, the less important the season becomes and the more you become the NFL, as far as all right, you're in the playoffs? Well, you know, why play Trevor in this game if you're already in? All of a sudden you're not in the top 12 and kids just aren't playing."

Clemson has thrived in the College Football Playoff era, with six straight appearances and two national championships. Clemson president Jim Clements also serves on the CFP board of managers, which has final say over expansion. ACC athletic directors are scheduled to meet before ACC kickoff begins Wednesday and hear the 12-team expansion presentation from Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick so they can bring additional information back to their coaches and players.

After the CFP agreed to move forward with expansion, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips asked all coaches to get feedback from their players. North Carolina coach Mack Brown said earlier this month his players were also against a 12-team playoff. Swinney said he thought his players' perspective was important because they already know how it feels to play a 15-game season.

But he also knows that change is coming no matter how they feel, and as players get more used to the idea, perhaps they will change how they feel about expansion.

"It's just a complicated adjustment for everybody," Swinney said. "But there's a bunch of smart people working on it. They'll figure it out, come up with something good for everybody. But from our guys, they've got a lot of experience, and they have a very good perspective of the schedule, and what it takes."

As Clemson approaches the season with another trip to the playoff in its sights, Swinney was asked about the current status of player vaccinations on his team.

Swinney said he was vaccinated in March, and though his team is not 100% vaccinated, it was "headed in a good direction."

"I think there's more motivation for all these teams, as they get back going," Swinney said. "We've done everything we can to educate and provide great information, and encourage these guys to talk to all the doctors. That was the biggest thing for me. I don't know a single doctor that I talked to that said don't get it. They all said you need to get it, and I trust my doctor. So that's a decision everybody's got to make. Our team's in a good spot. Not quite where we need to be, but I think we'll get there."

  

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