My heart is flat out broken. One of my favorite athletes was just issued
a 5 year ban for drug test result tampering.

To me, Brianna Rollins McNeal is the best hurdler in the world. She is the Olympic champion. However, since winning gold in 2016, she has been connected with
several doping issues. She was banned from competition for the 2017 season for missing three drug tests within a 12 month cycle. That prevented her from competing
in the 2017 world championships.

Earlier this year she was provisionally banned while under investigation for
tampering with drug test results. The investigation was just completed, and
and she was found guilty of the tampering. She now must serve a 5 year
competition ban, which means her athletic career is over. She is 29 years old,
and will be 34 at the end of her ban.

She is appealing the decision, so she will be allowed to compete in the
US Championships, with an appeals decision to be given before the Olympic
games.

So for the upcoming Olympics:

Christian Coleman, the 100m World Champion, will not be in the Olympics
because he is currently enduring a doping ban

And now it appears that the women’s 100m hurdles 2016 Olympic champion will
not be in the Olympics because she will be enduring a doping ban.

This is why no matter who I am watching who is great in track and field,
I just hope they are clean.

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I don't know if it's a good sign. Like, their enforcement is good enough to root out these top performers.

Or if it's a bad sign. Like, everyone is doping and only a couple get caught.

It is interesting though, that even in these "busts" they aren't really getting caught doping. Coleman is banned for whereabouts violations (missing surprise testing). There are others I know of that got caught up with this.
Rollins is banned for some sort of tampering.
It's been a while since I've been aware of a straight up positive test, particularly in the US

Brianna was banned in 2017 for missing 3 drug tests within a 12 month
testing cycle. The USADA allow athletes to miss up to 2 tests per cycle
without being penalized, a 3rd missed test will lead to a suspension
being issued.

You have to either be dumb or cheating to miss 3 drug tests per testing
cycle. Every USATF athlete is required to provide their whereabouts for
every day of the week, and choose a time to be available for 1 hour on
each one of those days for testing purposes. So if I’m going to be in New York
from 6am-12am everyday, and I choose to be available from 12pm-1pm
everyday, then USADA has to be able to reach me at that location and
between that time. If something comes up I have to notify them, and they understand
that things happen in life beyond someone’s control, so that is why missing
2 test per cycle is allotted.

But Brianna dodged her testers when they tried to reach her. A tester came
to her house during her 1 hour availability window. She wasn’t home. The tester
called her, and Brianna stated that she was at the airport, and that the tester
could met her there. Well, the tester goes to the airport, but Brianna wasn’t there.
The tester calls Brianna again to locate her. She tells the tester that she boarded her
flight.....Keep in mind, she had already missed 2 tests. The tester tells her that she
will be marked as a missed test, which will lead to an automatic ban.

Brianna still had dope in her system and was basically dodging the tester, and made
it worse by sending the tester on a wild chase. So now you add this tampering
offense on top of that, and you have yourself a serial violator. That’s why they issued
a 5 year ban.

Christian Coleman has a similar history with the USADA.

They do not fock around in the United States. Jamaica’s testing protocols
are more relaxed, which is insane, no way are all their athletes clean.

Athletes would rather get banned for missing tests than to get banned for testing
positive. They can always deny any wrong doing in those situations.

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I think Terrence Laird of LSU is a sure shot to make Tokyo. At least get a spot on that 4x100.

Michael Norman put it down to let cats know he is still top dog in the 400. I am rooting for Van Niekirk to make this interesting. Who the hell breaks a world record, tears an ACL, and then vows to break that record again?? The fact that he was the first to do a sub 10, sub 20, and sub 44 makes him my favorite runner right now. He did this wacky 150m race in Boston and ended up pulling up at the last second. Not sure how this cat will do but I'll always root for him.

Fred Kerley is an interesting cat. Rocks out in the 400 for a few years and then recently drops a 9.9 in the 100 this year.

Shaunae Miller-Uibo is doing the most for the women's 400. looks like Bahamas is gonna take that gold in tokyo

at the age of 34. She ran 10.63!

At this point, the doping is just becoming too obvious. No one gets faster
at that old of an age. It’s one thing to stay competitive at that age, but it’s
another to damn near come close to running 10.5 at that age.

Either she is doped to the gills or the shoes have been mightily enhanced.
Sprinters don’t get faster in their 30s, and their best times are usually
produced between the ages of 22-27. So when something like this
is too good to be true, it usually is.

She’Carri Richardson’s time are more believable because of her age,
and I’m even skeptical about her speed. However, she ran extremely fast
in college, so her progression appears to be natural.

Also, I don’t necessarily trust Jamaica’s tracks or their time keeping.
It is what it is.

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by 10 seconds. Her time is close to Men’s territory.

Now really sure how to process this.....right now I’m just looking at the responses
from the track community.

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within a 1 year cycle. That’s a mammoth leap from 2019.
29:01? And then to break a record that blazed the previous record,
which was set just 2 days ago?

Are we really just going to sit back and accept all this?

Swimming dealt with this in the early 2000s when they allowed
swimmers to use shark suit technology. World records were dropping
like flies. They immediately banned them to preserve the integrity of
the sport.

29:01

PEDs/ pace lights/ shoe technology... a women will fock around and run
Sub 28!

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He ran a 9.77 yesterday in Jamaica. I’ll take the time with a grain
of salt because of the track he ran on. But he looked really good,
and is healthy. He is definitely the favorite going into the Olympics.

He is still the greatest High School runner I’ve ever seen, and now
it is time for him to be the best sprinter in the world.

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I haven't been following the college season much, but I'm most excited about seeing what NCA&T can do. They turned themselves into a sprinting powerhouse somehow.

Looks like they might threaten the 4x400m collegiate record.

That's pretty cool to watch. I knew that school cared about their track program, but didn't think they had the resources to make it this big. Must be a special group of kids.

There's a handful of kids that have beat the dogshit out of my runners over the past few years at this meet. Eric Allen Jr. just anchored the USC 4x100m team after destroying my kids five or six times a season. I wanted to buy that kid a copy of "Oh, The Places You'll Go!" or some shit when he graduated because I was so happy to see him finally move on. That USC team also features Brendon Stewart, from DeMatha, who I saw a little bit less frequently but still had to account for a few times a year.

Diego Zarate has had to deal with a bunch of injuries at Virginia Tech but it looked like he made it through to the 1500m final. He was way out in front of most fields from 800-3200m in Maryland for a few years so it's nice to see him do well.

Anyhow, no real team rooting interest in this event, but I'm here to watch some fast races and see some local kids run well.

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Won her heat in 57.06. I coach at a boys school, so we didn't compete against her directly, but her school's boys team (as I mentioned above) was in our conference so we saw her a lot anyhow. She was also the subject of one of the most amazed coaching observations I'd ever heard, when a colleague mentioned that her victory in their conference 300 IMH event was "the most I've ever seen somebody win by in an event under one lap."

Nice to see her succeeding.

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The world's 200m field is probably watching Joseph Fahnbulleh running sub-20 in a completely hectic, disjointed race and thinking "oh shit" at the possibility of him putting everything together.

Great drama in the 1500m too. And that guy from A&T throwing down 43.xx? Very cool.

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If he cleans up his high school level start, he can be a big problem. His stride is crazy

That has the potential to be such a cool event, but it's been kind of up and down in its short history - and COVID kind of squashed that momentum anyhow.

The 4x200m world record is 1:18.xx set by Jamaica in 2014. I'd love to see the current batch of US 200m runners, with Fahnbulleh receiving the baton on the move, take a crack at that.

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49.57 and split... what did they say? 48.85? She got the baton on that anchor and I was like "oh sweet, she's chasing USC so there'll be some drama." But she dropped that woman by 150m in and just did her own thing. What an astonishing runner.

edit: that third leg for A&M has to be the easiest job in this whole meet. Just get it to Athing Mu with the rest of the field, like, visible and you did your job.

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Olympic Champion vs World Champion.

With all these bullshit records dropping and runners being lapped, there hasn’t
been any running battles up until now.

They went head to head, Kipyegon letting Hassan know I’m going to
be there stride for stride in a distance race ....which is unheard of.

Hassan has the distance strength...Kipyegon has the 800m kick speed.


https://youtu.be/aUxSWA7HxsE

1500m is going to be one hell of a battle in Tokyo....but I have the Kenyan
Queen defending here title.

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https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/06/14/shelby-houlihan-doping-ban-nandrolone-olympic-trials/

And my first thought was "she ate an offal burrito ten hours before a meet? seems risky for an entirely separate set of reasons."

Anyhow, this is a bummer. I enjoy watching her race.

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and that maybe there should be more wiggle room in these instances.

I mean, she's taken and passed 100 tests since 2016? I realize you can cheat a test, but c'mon.

For the amount she tested positive for is equivalent to a high dosage
injection. Her excuse is totally implausible, which is why the suspension
stood. Her case went through sports arbitration as well...

She would have been better off skipping the test, since USADA allows
athletes to miss no more than 2 dope tests per a 12 month testing cycle.

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>She would have been better off skipping the test, since USADA
>allows
>athletes to miss no more than 2 dope tests per a 12 month
>testing cycle.
>
>

I mean, if SHE knew she was doping (obv), and she knew she could just skip a test but still took it....kinda makes her look good like "i have nothing to fear of course i'll take the test"...

...and I know they aren't court-worthy, but she passed a lie detector too.

i dunno man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone_decanoate

From researching the steroid Nandrolone, it is eliminated from the blood
in under 10 hours, if I’m reading the elimination time correctly. It stays in
the muscles between 6-12 days, and provides performance enhancing
ability up to 2-3 weeks.

Again, that’s if I’m reading the numbers correctly.

Basically, what I’m saying is that her positive test was no accident.
Her levels weren’t even close to the acceptable amount that
an athlete is allowed to have in his/her system.

Her levels, more than likely, were due to a high dosage injection.

Again, she said she traced it back to a burrito that she ate. That’s equivalent
to a student telling the teacher that the “dog ate his homework.”

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my question is, if this pork has this element in it that can create a positive test, is it possible that the test was close enough to the consumption to make this happen?

i dunno. i'm not educated enough nor do i really care to be.

like i said from jump, it FEELS like this could be messed up.

because she's been taking tests for years w/ nothing going on apparently, and, from what i read, while she's very good at what she does, it's not like she's been utterly dominating the sport and now this explains her success.

just seems like, historically, she's been doing it legit and letting the chips fall where they will.

unless she was fed up and just wanted to win at all cost, it doesn't seem like there's an M.O. for the "crime."

and is easily top 5-10 in the world at 1500 and 5000m.
She owns the 1500m and 5000m AR. She’s a sub
2 min 800 min runner. Her PR at 1500m is 3:54,making her a serious
medal threat in all championship races. Keep in mind Hassan and Kipyegon
just ran 3:53 last week, so no telling where Houlihan’s speed is at the moment.


She is hands down America’s best women’s distance runner on the track.

So there is a huge possibility that her success is the result of taking
PEDs

Her defense simply has zero legitimacy due to the levels of her test result,
and her B sample also came back positive. So there was no error or inconsistency
with the testing process. Her attorney requested that the samples be sent to an
independent lab for further testing, and CAS denied the request, and rightfully so.

Athletes saying they are clean or have a history of being clean carries
zero weight in these types of situations, because history has taught us
that so called clean athletes are some of the biggest drug cheats in the
sport.

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that's not a slight. i really don't follow track like THAT. especially not people who run longer distance races.

so, i'm admittedly ignorant for the most part when it comes to her "elite-ness." to me, the elites win they don't just challenge. but maybe she's just the best america can do and america can't win those races...i truly don't know.

i DEFINITELY don't understand drug tests with any clarity.

Skip as in shut the door on the testers face. Once they find you, you have to take it or you face an automatic ban.

That's why you have some folks playing Carmen San Diego when testers come around and get whereabouts violations. Those are just as shady to me and almost equal to positive tests in my mind

Skip - as in don’t make yourself available during your 1 hour window.

Brianna Rollins and Christian Coleman were masters of it.....but they took
it too far.

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Also the reaction of the arbitrator (CAS) is pretty telling. They had the ability to reverse or reduce the penalty if her explanation warranted it. They've done it before.
But they are holding firm on the full penalty.

Hopefully CAS will disclose their reasoning. Right now all we here is the one sided story from her and her crew.

There's nothing intrinsically immoral about the act of taking drugs to run faster. It's immoral because it's against the rules, and in doing it you're trying to gain an advantage that other runners (ostensibly, but that's obviously bullshit) don't have.

So, track fans are left with a few options:

a)play pretend detective on the internet to figure out who's doping and who isn't and decide which performances are legitimate or not based on your own assessment

b)prefer that they permit performance enhancing drugs to eliminate any ambiguity

c)Treat it as a factual matter - using drugs is a problem because a suspension has the same results (potentially) as an injury: you miss some important meets.

I used to choose option "A" but then that got boring and hypocritical. The runners I liked? Absolutely clean. The runners I don't care about? Probably dirty. WADA? Good when they catch the latter group. Bad when they catch the former group.

But the problem with option A is that enlists fans moralizing to solve a problem that the governing institutions of track and field are unwilling or unable to solve themselves. But me pointing at Justin Gatlin and going "bad" and pointing at Christian Coleman and going "good" isn't an actual solution.

So now I choose option C, which is the Ockham-ist approach that the conclusion requiring the least assumptions is correct. Houlihan fucked up (in one way or another) and tested positive, which comes with a suspension. The women's 1500m field just got worse. These are the only things we'll ever get to truly know, so those (and the end results on the actual track) are the only things I'm going to bother caring about.

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I WANT to believe her because of what she tested positive for. She tested positive for an anabolic steroid, which doesn’t make sense for a distance runner. Distance runners don’t look to put on more muscle. They look to gain more oxygen or more red blood cells, so the PEDS that are used are ones that stimulates the body to produce more red blood cells or that will expand the bronchial tubes.

Also, her hair samples didn’t show a build up of the drug in her body. Plus she has taken over 100 drug tests in her career without ever testing positive, so she has a clean track record.

(note: Lance Armstrong never tested positive, so having
a clean testing history doesn’t necessarily mean that a person is a clean athlete)

However, her reason or excuse for testing positive doesn’t quite add up. Mexican pork burritos, which are called carnitas, are made from pork shoulders and butt. Carnitas don’t consist of pork organs, which is where the steroid is formed inside of pigs.

Her levels of the steroid were very high, and she would have had to eaten 10-15 contaminated pork burritos 10 hours prior to being tested in order to have gotten those high levels from eating that particular form of food.

So I understand why the decision was upheld.

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thanks for the breakdown.

They gave her ass 4 years. That’s a death sentence in track and field,
regardless of the age of the athlete. Considering this is her first time
offense , and she is white, I’m surprised she simply didn’t get 2 years.

They gave her ass 4 years, so she can’t even compete in the 2024 Olympics,
and she will not be available for the next world championships.

They made an example of her ass for a reason. It doesn’t pay to be uncooperative or
walk in denial against USADA or WADA. They will punish your black or white ass,
and any other color of ass that cheats.

And great runners of the past highly frown at cheaters, especially
those cheaters who broke their records. The purist in track and field make baseball’s
purists look like casual softball watchers.

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it said she's going to appeal to another board or agency (that I assume has some ranking authority over the issue). how will that go? if the authorities have already taken a strong stance on this, would there be any chance that this appeal has a chance?

They are pretty much the final say. They denied it.

Her last chance is the Swiss Supreme Court which seems like a huge long shot. They pretty much just check if any laws/civil rights were violated

The Court of Arbitration of Sports is located in Switzerland, so her legal
team wants to take it to the Supreme Court of that country.

Castor Semenya went the same route in regards to CAS ruling that she
could no longer compete in the women’s division to ensure an even playing field.
The Swiss Tribunal upheld the judgment, and she had a real case of possible
discrimination, because it isn’t her fault that she is a mixed gender human being.
Discrimination was proven, but deemed necessary for the equality of the sport.
That decision still rattles me, because it was the right thing to do, even though
it was unfair.

But this is totally different. They don’t know anything about track and field when
it comes to drug policies. Plus this case isn’t about someone’s human rights, and
she isn’t being discriminated against. She simply wants the decision to be reversed
on her claim that she ingested a contaminated burrito. LOL

She doesn’t seems too bright to me, and her legal team aren’t doing her
any favors. If her only argument is a burrito, and she has no other items or
evidence to support her defense, her actions at this point are futile.

I would have used the accidental injection excuse, but I wouldn’t have fought
the ban. I would have accepted the first decision for a lighter punishment,
giving me some public leeway to deny it throughout my career....on some
Gary Sheffield shit.

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Fred Kerley's busted some pretty strong 100m races this spring, and actually claimed a couple impressive heads in the process. But I just kind of assumed he was working on his top-end speed in a VanNiekerk-ian attempt to jump the field in the 400m.

Anyhow, he's not running the 400m at the trials, declaring instead for the 100 and the 200m. Feels like a bit of a headscratcher to me. He could definitely make either/both of those teams, but it seems less likely than the 400m. He actually hasn't run very many strong 200's yet, and that 100m field is full of veterans that I trust a bit more to work through the rounds and pop something under 9.90 in the finals. Doesn't mean he can't, just that I expect three of that Gatlin, Bromell, Baker, Bracy, Lyles definitely will.

Whatever. I like watching him race, so I hope he's right about this.

Lot of scratches yesterday too, in addition to Houlihan. Evan Jager is out of the steeple. People saw that coming because he's been hurt a lot, but it was nice to dream on a medal in this event even if it meant pretending he was still at his peak. Rowbury and Huddle out, injury and, uh, oldness.

Athing Mu's been saying all year she's an 800m runner, and she wasn't joking. Though she was pushing hard for a relay spot in that NCAA post-meet conference.

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He hasn't been running the 400 like he did a few years ago (43.74). The last couple of 400s he's run have been mid 44s. The US team is gonna be tough to make with a time like that. Too competitive.

The 100 field seems relatively weak. He's shown that 9.90 wasn't a fluke and if he can stay in the range at the trials, he has a decent chance of getting to the Olympics.

We're seeing the same fields and coming to opposite conclusions, which sounds about right with the way COVID's fucked with training and competition schedules. Still, I'm having a hard time imagining it - except you're right about Kerley proving it. That's a good call. Not like he just popped one.

I wonder if he's in play for 4*400m duty.

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shifted to the 400. So this isn’t foreign territory.

With the times college kids ran at the NCAAs,
and throw in the top pros like Michael Norman,
WVN, etc, he knows he doesn’t have the shape to be
a medal threat.

100m isn’t a sure shot either. Bromel and Degrasse are
in fine form, and you know Gatlin is going to be there somehow,
someway. But I definitely feel he has the better chance at medaling
in the 100.

His 400 strength definitely gives him an Edge in the last 30m....could
also take part in the 4x100.

His 200 is trash though. He has never run sub 20, and just seems lost.
It’s either all out strength or all speed with him.

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Apparently, Houlihan is still gonna race pending whatever court injunctions and appeals processes are left for her. That's gonna be super awkward for everybody involved, but she's fast so it'll also make a good race.

Any of you dummies wanna try and pick the Olympic team? Fields are here:

https://www.usatf.org/events/2021/2020-u-s-olympic-team-trials-track-field/status-of-entries

Here are my picks. If you disagree with them without making your own, then you're a coward and an asshole. Respect the discourse.

100m:
Women - Richardson, Hobbs, Sturgis*
Men - Bromell, Gatlin, Baker

*NCAA pop-ups are a tough pick because they've been hitting it hard since January, but it's not like it's THAT uncommon.

200m:
women - Gabby Thomas, Richardson, Brown
men - Lyles, Bednarek, Laird#

#does anybody know if Joe Fahnbulleh is a citizen? It's a common Liberian name, but he grew up here and I think he's raced for the US in some junior events. Weird that he's not entered.

400m:
women - Ellis, Irby, Felix^
men - Norman, Cherry, Deadmon

^fine, I'm sentimental.

800m:
women: Mu, Wilson, Grace
men: Brazier, Hoppel, Murphy%

%feels like two years since I've seen him race well, but whatever.

1500m:
women: Purrier, Simpson, Cranny@
men: Engels, Centrowitz, Hocker

@Houlihan should win/place but I don't really know what to do with that since she's not gonna make the team.

5000m:
women: Norris, Frazier, Schweizer**
men: Fisher, Chelimo, True

**Houlihan at the top of this list too, blargh.

10,000m:
women - Monson, Infeld, Hall
men - Klecker, Lomong, Nur

Steeple:
women: Coburn, Frerichs, Ostrander
men: Ferlic, Bor, Ali

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Picking the women's high hurdles is a nightmare. That has been an incredibly good field and it keeps growing. McNeal is racing too.

So, throw a dart: Harrison, Clemons, McNeal, and a 4th because McNeal isn't headed to Tokyo probably - Nelvis.

110HH: Holloway, Roberts, Crittendon

IMs: McLaughlin, Little, Muhammad*
Benjamin, Hall, Burrell


*First IAC/ISL (the conference I coach in) entry in my memory with Masai Russell of Kentucky, running both the high and intermediate hurdles. She's seeded pretty high in the intermediate hurdles.

edit: getting a real crack at the Benjamin, Warholm, Samba matchup is really cool.

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Hilarious, I guess.

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have destroyed their integrity and credibility as a governing body.

USOPC stepped in and put a stop to it immediately. She is serving a ban,
and therefore she it not allowed to race. That is a court order, and WADA
had to remind USATF that they are a member federation, and by being a
member federation, they have to abide by all decisions, fillings, and rulings
that are issued by CAS.

For those who don’t know, Nike sponsors USTAF, so Nike practically runs USTAF
And Houlihan runs for the Bowerman Track Club, which is also sponsored by Nike,
so they practically run that, too.

This not only showcases the arrogance and irreverence of Shelby Houlihan,
but illustrates just how far a dirty business is willing to go to market and promote
its products and athletes. Nike feels it is above all rules and regulations.

We can’t say anything about Russia and the drug based athletic programs
that they run and sponsor.

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>have destroyed their integrity and credibility as a governing
>body.

and by knuckling to nike and then not doing the right thing until they were forced to, they just made themselves look even more impotent.

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I feel like I'm biased to the old names I'm familiar with. I don't recognize a lot of the names at the top of the performance lists

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>100m:
>Women - Richardson, Sturgis, Bartoletta
>Men - Bromell, Young, Kerley


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>200m:
>women - Pass
>men - Lyles, Laird, Bednarek
>

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>400m:
>women - Hayes, Ellis, Felix
>men - Norman, Cherry, Ross
>

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>800m:
>women: Mu, Wilson, Price
>men: Brazier, Hoppel, Crisp
>

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>1500m:
>women: Simpson, St.Pierre, Osika
>men: Centrowitz, Engels, Nuguse
>

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>5000m:
>women: pass
>men: pass

>

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>10,000m:
>women - pass
>men - pass
>

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>Steeple:
>women: pass
>men: pass
>

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>100 hurdles:
>women - Marshall, Harrison, Cockrell
>men - Holloway, Allen, Cunningham

>

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>400 hurdles
>women - McLaughlin, Little, Cockrell
>men - Benjamin, Burrell, Selmon

you got Dalilah Muhammad , who is the world champion, world record holder,
and Olympic Champion not qualifying in the 400m hurdles?

Is there any particular reason for that prediction?

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Nah I just throw some upsets in the mix to keep things interesting.

Based on this year's times, she's right in the middle of the pack.
And I like rooting for the college runners.

>I feel like I'm biased to the old names I'm familiar with. I
>don't recognize a lot of the names at the top of the
>performance lists

Seems reasonable to me. It's not universally the case, but new names are new for a reason, and the format of the trials really seems to favor veterans. Doesn't mean rookies and newcomers won't make a bunch of waves, but veteran savvy at getting through the rounds with something left for finals is both a move that you learn and one you need to train for. Most of the NCAA kids in particular are backfooted because they just finished a national championship meet that their coaches have targeted with extreme specificity.

If this dynamic is real, and it can be real but not universally applicable, obviously. Then the ones I'm curious about are the kids like Mu and Hocker, who maybe began the season hoping to make it to the trials and maybe get a good foot in the door for 2024 but then proved by, like, January that they had a real shot of making the team. Did their coaches make some adjustments? Feels like Mu's 400m focus during the college season was part of that, but Hocker had an incredibly successful NCAA meet but still hasn't run as fast as he did in January.

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>>100m:
>>Women - Richardson, Sturgis, Bartoletta
>>Men - Bromell, Young, Kerley

Kerley! Love it. I couldn't bring myself to do it. That 100m field, to me, isn't eye-popping great but it is really deep. Rooting for the guy, though.

>>200m:
>>women - Pass
>>men - Lyles, Laird, Bednarek

This could be an incredible field for the US. Laird is really fun to watch, so he's one of the NCAA names I hope still has something in the tank. Love a wiry sprinter. Feels like an underdog to me.

Relatedly, I wish I could figure out what's up with Fahnbulleh. The ghouls at Letsrun.com seem to have narrowed it down to:

-missed the trials window because he had such a big breakthrough at NCAA
-he's permitted to run for Liberia and its an easier path to making the team

I hope it's the latter. He's crazy fun to watch and it would make the 200m field even wilder.

>>400m:
>>women - Hayes, Ellis, Felix
>>men - Norman, Cherry, Ross

It helps that she's been running well lately, but I'm pleased that I'm not the only member of the Allyson Felix nostalgia squad. She's really just polishing her Best-Ever credentials at this point, but you've got to think if she was still with a big shoe company that the One More Chance to See Allyson Felix Win an Olympic Medal campaign would be unstoppable. Weird to see somebody with her resume still running fast but simply ... not getting much hype. Shows how much influence Nike has on the sport.

>>800m:
>>women: Mu, Wilson, Price
>>men: Brazier, Hoppel, Crisp

Mu! And Vincent Crisp runs for a local track club here. I'd love to see him sneak a spot. I don't agree with all of these, but I like your list a lot more than mine.

>>1500m:
>>women: Simpson, St.Pierre, Osika
>>men: Centrowitz, Engels, Nuguse

I refuse to believe that Simpson and Centrowitz are done until they definitively prove it by not making a team. Too strong tactically in an event that reliably becomes about tactics.

>>400 hurdles
>>women - McLaughlin, Little, Cockrell
>>men - Benjamin, Burrell, Selmon

Love that you've got Cockrell making the team twice. She's got a chance to be a huge star. I couldn't bring myself to leave Muhammad off the team, but she's thirty and hasn't raced at her usual level this year. She'll be an interesting test case for how much COVID has forced folks to fly under the radar. McLaughlin didn't race a 400m hurdles until last week, so it seems more than plausible that Muhammad is just getting ready to pop when it matters. But that event is getting just as grimy for the women as it is for the men.

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5000m and 10000m seem so underwhelming right now with no Huddle or Rupp.
Everybody thought Chelimo was going to be that dude, nope. He has taken a step
back compared to how fast runners have gotten at those distances.

We have zero shot at winning anything at those distances. zero. So I ain’t picking
shit. Lol. Sara Hall running at 10000m? She’s a marathon runner, a decent one, but
that’s about it. That’s how weak America is right now.

With Gidey and Hassan at those distances, all of our women will get lapped....

No particular order

( Sad, I was hoping Tori Bowie would be back from injury for the trials. I miss her)

100m

Guys- Bromell-Bracy-Lyles
Gals - Richardson-White-Hobbs

200m

Guys - lyles-Norman-Bednarek
Gals- Richardson ....no one after after that really matters

400m

Guys- Norman-strother- ross
Gals - Francis-Hayes-Ellis
(Natasha Hastings fine ass is still running!)

800m

Guys- Brazier doped to gills ass- Murphy -Hoppel
Gals - field is mad deep! Wilson-Rogers-Athing

1500m

Guys- LOL
Gals -LOL

100m Hurdles

McNeal-Queen-Harrison( folds under pressure though)....wish
Nia was there....McNeal is dirty as fock, but I don’t care..because she is fine!

400m Hurdles

Muhammad-Syd-little


Overall Note: I would not be shocked if Felix qualifies ...or if Kerley gets in.

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She is just too arrogant and flamboyant for me, and she has yet to win anything.
Her antics are just over the top. After she won her heat, her peers didn’t even want
to shake her hand because she was being so obnoxious.

Have some class... She makes Noah Lyles look like an introvert. These are
heats, just go out there and do your thing. The other women ran their
race, and then kept it moving.

It’s very hard to root for her.

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She runs for a doping factory, and is coached by a coach who doped as
a runner, and who also coaches another doped runner.

Naw, fam, you already know how it is going to end.

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Just enjoy the races

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i already know the answer cuz you're from Chicago.

the hypocrisy with this guy.

just say you don't like it cuz she's "ratchet" and a woman.

Yeah, you don’t watch track and field much.

Women dominate the sport more than the men do!
Ain’t got shit to do with that. Don’t bring that sexist talk here.
It doesn’t exist in track and field. Seriously.

Her peers don’t even want to have shit to do with her, because
of how over the top she is. To go from Allyson Felix to her as
the face of women’s sprinting?

Tori Bowie- class, Felix-class, Harrison-class- Syd the kid- class
Muhammad-class..

She did all that over the top shit back in 2019, and she got her ass humbled.
Now Nike got her on super PEDs and super tech shoes, and nobody can’t
tell her shit.....but that is what happens when you hang around arrogant doped
up ass athletes.

Dina Asher Smith beat that ass a few weeks ago....She’carri was quiet than
a motherfocker....beat the top queens first and run fast outside of America,
then pop shit. That’s how it’s works.

I will continue to root for the clean, class acts.

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Relaxed fit with bootcut legs and button fly

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in regards to your opinions. But your comment is ban worthy to me.


To call someone a bootlicker because they disagree with the character
and behavior of someone who hasn’t won a professional title yet, who hasn’t
beaten the best yet, and who associates with drug cheats, is just completely wrong.

Get your facts straight before you pop shit about something you no nothing about.

I ran track and field in 1500/Mile as a masters athlete ( age group competition) and by being in that world and culture, it is taken seriously....and two things that are highly frowned upon:

bad character and drug cheats.

If you disagree, then simply disagree.

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They only commit to two of the three spots from the trials making the team, which seems sensible to me. But they tweeted out a finished Olympic roster (https://twitter.com/athletics_kenya/status/1406206915261128707) with three 1500m runners named who are not Timothy Cheruiyot. Maybe they've already determined his injury is serious.

In any event, this opens up a spot for anybody in the world who thought they could maybe sneak a medal in the 1500m or 3000m

I guess Kipruto was a bit more obvious. That guy has bigger problems than the Olympics right now.

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/06/19/timothy-cheruiyot-conseslus-kipruto-kenya-olympic-trials-track-tokyo/

Timothy Cheruiyot, Conseslus Kipruto left off Kenya Olympic track team
By OlympicTalkJun 19, 2021, 8:05 AM EDT

World 1500m champion Timothy Cheruiyot and Olympic 3000m steeplechase champion Conseslus Kipruto were not named on Kenya’s Olympic roster after not finishing in the top three of their races at their Olympic Trials.

Cheruiyot had not finished worse than second in a 1500m in four years, and lost just three times since the start of 2018, according to Tilastopaja.org. But on Saturday in Nairobi, he was passed for third place in the final straightaway, then reportedly limped off to a medical tent.

Kipruto, the lone runner to win the same individual event at the 2016 Olympics, 2017 Worlds and 2019 Worlds, dropped out in the early laps of the steeple on Saturday, according to broadcast commentary. Kipruto has started three races since the start of 2020 and didn’t finish any of them.

In November 2019, Kipruto pled not guilty after being charged with having sexual intercourse with a 15-year-old girl and was released on bail. Kipruto faced at least 20 years in prison if convicted, according to Kenya’s sexual offenses laws. It’s unclear where the case stands.

Athletics Kenya reportedly has discretion to pick somebody who finishes outside the top three for the third and final spot in an event. But the federation announced its Olympic team at the conclusion of Trials, printing and tweeting the roster without Cheruiyot or Kipruto.

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--Walleye's Dad

Shit. He should have been given a bye. I think world champions should not have to
qualify for a spot. Every country has its own standards once a runner achieves
a qualifying Olympic time, but World Champions with qualifying times shouldn’t have to
compete in Olympic trials.....That should be made a rule.

This blows Tokyo wide open. It’s anybody’s race now. The two dope brothers
seriously have a chance. It makes the men’s 1500m far more interesting now,
so the US Olympic trials at that distance aren’t a waste of time after all.

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first race of 2021.

His start was excellent, and he comfortably came off the bend
with good pace. It was in his last 100 meters when he started
to lose his form a bit. He has been away from racing for a long time,
so it’s going to take a few more races for him to regain his top form.

https://youtu.be/2RWDaj_jYrA

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