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"Track and Field 2021: No sleep til Tokyo in a PEDemic year"
Fri Jun-04-21 02:18 PM by allStah

          

My heart is flat out broken. One of my favorite athletes was just issued
a 5 year ban for drug test result tampering.

To me, Brianna Rollins McNeal is the best hurdler in the world. She is the Olympic champion. However, since winning gold in 2016, she has been connected with
several doping issues. She was banned from competition for the 2017 season for missing three drug tests within a 12 month cycle. That prevented her from competing
in the 2017 world championships.

Earlier this year she was provisionally banned while under investigation for
tampering with drug test results. The investigation was just completed, and
and she was found guilty of the tampering. She now must serve a 5 year
competition ban, which means her athletic career is over. She is 29 years old,
and will be 34 at the end of her ban.

She is appealing the decision, so she will be allowed to compete in the
US Championships, with an appeals decision to be given before the Olympic
games.

So for the upcoming Olympics:

Christian Coleman, the 100m World Champion, will not be in the Olympics
because he is currently enduring a doping ban

And now it appears that the women’s 100m hurdles 2016 Olympic champion will
not be in the Olympics because she will be enduring a doping ban.

This is why no matter who I am watching who is great in track and field,
I just hope they are clean.




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I don't know how to process these busts
Jun 04th 2021
1
But those aren’t first time offenses.
Jun 04th 2021
3
NCAAs is gonna be interesting this year.
Jun 04th 2021
2
SAF just ran the second fastest time in women’s history
Jun 05th 2021
4
Sifan Hassan just broke the women’s 10000m WR
Jun 06th 2021
5
Had it for just 2 days. Gidey beat her by 5 seconds
Jun 09th 2021
7
      So Gidey has broken the 5000m and 10000m record
Jun 10th 2021
10
Trayvon Bromell has come a long way.
Jun 07th 2021
6
NCAAs getting ready to start
Jun 09th 2021
8
They got REALLY good
Jun 10th 2021
9
Masai Russell!
Jun 11th 2021
12
Holy crap that was fun
Jun 12th 2021
13
Fahnbulleh hawks em down in the last 75m
Jun 12th 2021
14
      It'd be nice if the US goes big in the next World Relays
Jun 13th 2021
15
Athing Mu!
Jun 13th 2021
16
Sifan and Kipyegon both run 3:53 in Florence.
Jun 10th 2021
11
Shelby Houlihan: 4 year ban
Jun 14th 2021
17
I initially read her incorrectly, that this was an in-competition test
Jun 15th 2021
18
FEELS like she's telling the truth...
Jun 15th 2021
19
      No. She’s not telling the truth.
Jun 15th 2021
20
      This seems like something that makes her look good in the light.
Jun 15th 2021
24
      Well, not if she thought the drug was out of her system at the time.
Jun 15th 2021
25
           i understand what you're saying about the levels the test found.
Jun 15th 2021
26
                Shelby Houlihan is as elite as they come,
Jun 15th 2021
29
                     aight. gonna have to take your word for it.
Jun 15th 2021
30
      You can't "skip" tests
Jun 16th 2021
39
           Not that type of skip.
Jun 17th 2021
40
      I'm not buying the taco truck defense
Jun 15th 2021
22
      I don't believe her, but I also don't care
Jun 15th 2021
27
Her reason or excuse got her banned, because it makes zero sense.
Jun 15th 2021
23
      missed this reply ^^^up there^^^
Jun 15th 2021
31
           Also, one thing I want to add.
Jun 15th 2021
32
                so lemme ask you this since you know way more about it than me:
Jun 15th 2021
33
                     She already appealed to CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport)
Jun 15th 2021
34
                     Yes, I read about that. She wants to take it to the Swiss Tribunal.
Jun 15th 2021
37
NM
Jun 15th 2021
21
Some interesting trials declarations too (Fred Kerley)
Jun 15th 2021
28
I think Kerley is making the right move
Jun 15th 2021
35
Man, I hope you're right
Jun 15th 2021
36
Fred started off as a 100/200 guy and then
Jun 15th 2021
38
Houlihan is racing / Who wants a pick'em?
Jun 17th 2021
41
Forgot hurdles
Jun 17th 2021
42
And she's out again
Jun 17th 2021
43
      USTAF were going to allow her to run, which would
Jun 17th 2021
44
           uh huh
Jun 17th 2021
45

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1. "I don't know how to process these busts"
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Fri Jun-04-21 03:15 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

  

          

I don't know if it's a good sign. Like, their enforcement is good enough to root out these top performers.

Or if it's a bad sign. Like, everyone is doping and only a couple get caught.

It is interesting though, that even in these "busts" they aren't really getting caught doping. Coleman is banned for whereabouts violations (missing surprise testing). There are others I know of that got caught up with this.
Rollins is banned for some sort of tampering.
It's been a while since I've been aware of a straight up positive test, particularly in the US

  

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3. "But those aren’t first time offenses."
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Fri Jun-04-21 07:04 PM by allStah

          

Brianna was banned in 2017 for missing 3 drug tests within a 12 month
testing cycle. The USADA allow athletes to miss up to 2 tests per cycle
without being penalized, a 3rd missed test will lead to a suspension
being issued.

You have to either be dumb or cheating to miss 3 drug tests per testing
cycle. Every USATF athlete is required to provide their whereabouts for
every day of the week, and choose a time to be available for 1 hour on
each one of those days for testing purposes. So if I’m going to be in New York
from 6am-12am everyday, and I choose to be available from 12pm-1pm
everyday, then USADA has to be able to reach me at that location and
between that time. If something comes up I have to notify them, and they understand
that things happen in life beyond someone’s control, so that is why missing
2 test per cycle is allotted.

But Brianna dodged her testers when they tried to reach her. A tester came
to her house during her 1 hour availability window. She wasn’t home. The tester
called her, and Brianna stated that she was at the airport, and that the tester
could met her there. Well, the tester goes to the airport, but Brianna wasn’t there.
The tester calls Brianna again to locate her. She tells the tester that she boarded her
flight.....Keep in mind, she had already missed 2 tests. The tester tells her that she
will be marked as a missed test, which will lead to an automatic ban.

Brianna still had dope in her system and was basically dodging the tester, and made
it worse by sending the tester on a wild chase. So now you add this tampering
offense on top of that, and you have yourself a serial violator. That’s why they issued
a 5 year ban.

Christian Coleman has a similar history with the USADA.

They do not fock around in the United States. Jamaica’s testing protocols
are more relaxed, which is insane, no way are all their athletes clean.

Athletes would rather get banned for missing tests than to get banned for testing
positive. They can always deny any wrong doing in those situations.



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2. "NCAAs is gonna be interesting this year."
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Fri Jun-04-21 06:19 PM by The3rdOne

  

          

I think Terrence Laird of LSU is a sure shot to make Tokyo. At least get a spot on that 4x100.

Michael Norman put it down to let cats know he is still top dog in the 400. I am rooting for Van Niekirk to make this interesting. Who the hell breaks a world record, tears an ACL, and then vows to break that record again?? The fact that he was the first to do a sub 10, sub 20, and sub 44 makes him my favorite runner right now. He did this wacky 150m race in Boston and ended up pulling up at the last second. Not sure how this cat will do but I'll always root for him.

Fred Kerley is an interesting cat. Rocks out in the 400 for a few years and then recently drops a 9.9 in the 100 this year.

Shaunae Miller-Uibo is doing the most for the women's 400. looks like Bahamas is gonna take that gold in tokyo

  

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4. "SAF just ran the second fastest time in women’s history"
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Sat Jun-05-21 11:43 AM by allStah

          

at the age of 34. She ran 10.63!

At this point, the doping is just becoming too obvious. No one gets faster
at that old of an age. It’s one thing to stay competitive at that age, but it’s
another to damn near come close to running 10.5 at that age.

Either she is doped to the gills or the shoes have been mightily enhanced.
Sprinters don’t get faster in their 30s, and their best times are usually
produced between the ages of 22-27. So when something like this
is too good to be true, it usually is.

She’Carri Richardson’s time are more believable because of her age,
and I’m even skeptical about her speed. However, she ran extremely fast
in college, so her progression appears to be natural.

Also, I don’t necessarily trust Jamaica’s tracks or their time keeping.
It is what it is.

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5. "Sifan Hassan just broke the women’s 10000m WR"
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by 10 seconds. Her time is close to Men’s territory.

Now really sure how to process this.....right now I’m just looking at the responses
from the track community.

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7. "Had it for just 2 days. Gidey beat her by 5 seconds"
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10. "So Gidey has broken the 5000m and 10000m record"
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Thu Jun-10-21 02:24 PM by allStah

          

within a 1 year cycle. That’s a mammoth leap from 2019.
29:01? And then to break a record that blazed the previous record,
which was set just 2 days ago?

Are we really just going to sit back and accept all this?

Swimming dealt with this in the early 2000s when they allowed
swimmers to use shark suit technology. World records were dropping
like flies. They immediately banned them to preserve the integrity of
the sport.

29:01

PEDs/ pace lights/ shoe technology... a women will fock around and run
Sub 28!

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6. "Trayvon Bromell has come a long way."
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Mon Jun-07-21 10:22 AM by allStah

          

He ran a 9.77 yesterday in Jamaica. I’ll take the time with a grain
of salt because of the track he ran on. But he looked really good,
and is healthy. He is definitely the favorite going into the Olympics.

He is still the greatest High School runner I’ve ever seen, and now
it is time for him to be the best sprinter in the world.

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8. "NCAAs getting ready to start"
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I haven't been following the college season much, but I'm most excited about seeing what NCA&T can do. They turned themselves into a sprinting powerhouse somehow.

Looks like they might threaten the 4x400m collegiate record.

  

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9. "They got REALLY good"
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That's pretty cool to watch. I knew that school cared about their track program, but didn't think they had the resources to make it this big. Must be a special group of kids.

There's a handful of kids that have beat the dogshit out of my runners over the past few years at this meet. Eric Allen Jr. just anchored the USC 4x100m team after destroying my kids five or six times a season. I wanted to buy that kid a copy of "Oh, The Places You'll Go!" or some shit when he graduated because I was so happy to see him finally move on. That USC team also features Brendon Stewart, from DeMatha, who I saw a little bit less frequently but still had to account for a few times a year.

Diego Zarate has had to deal with a bunch of injuries at Virginia Tech but it looked like he made it through to the 1500m final. He was way out in front of most fields from 800-3200m in Maryland for a few years so it's nice to see him do well.

Anyhow, no real team rooting interest in this event, but I'm here to watch some fast races and see some local kids run well.

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12. "Masai Russell!"
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Won her heat in 57.06. I coach at a boys school, so we didn't compete against her directly, but her school's boys team (as I mentioned above) was in our conference so we saw her a lot anyhow. She was also the subject of one of the most amazed coaching observations I'd ever heard, when a colleague mentioned that her victory in their conference 300 IMH event was "the most I've ever seen somebody win by in an event under one lap."

Nice to see her succeeding.

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13. "Holy crap that was fun"
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The world's 200m field is probably watching Joseph Fahnbulleh running sub-20 in a completely hectic, disjointed race and thinking "oh shit" at the possibility of him putting everything together.

Great drama in the 1500m too. And that guy from A&T throwing down 43.xx? Very cool.

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14. "Fahnbulleh hawks em down in the last 75m"
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If he cleans up his high school level start, he can be a big problem. His stride is crazy

  

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15. "It'd be nice if the US goes big in the next World Relays "
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That has the potential to be such a cool event, but it's been kind of up and down in its short history - and COVID kind of squashed that momentum anyhow.

The 4x200m world record is 1:18.xx set by Jamaica in 2014. I'd love to see the current batch of US 200m runners, with Fahnbulleh receiving the baton on the move, take a crack at that.

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16. "Athing Mu!"
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49.57 and split... what did they say? 48.85? She got the baton on that anchor and I was like "oh sweet, she's chasing USC so there'll be some drama." But she dropped that woman by 150m in and just did her own thing. What an astonishing runner.

edit: that third leg for A&M has to be the easiest job in this whole meet. Just get it to Athing Mu with the rest of the field, like, visible and you did your job.

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11. "Sifan and Kipyegon both run 3:53 in Florence. "
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Olympic Champion vs World Champion.

With all these bullshit records dropping and runners being lapped, there hasn’t
been any running battles up until now.

They went head to head, Kipyegon letting Hassan know I’m going to
be there stride for stride in a distance race ....which is unheard of.

Hassan has the distance strength...Kipyegon has the 800m kick speed.


https://youtu.be/aUxSWA7HxsE

1500m is going to be one hell of a battle in Tokyo....but I have the Kenyan
Queen defending here title.

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17. "Shelby Houlihan: 4 year ban"
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https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/06/14/shelby-houlihan-doping-ban-nandrolone-olympic-trials/

  

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18. "I initially read her incorrectly, that this was an in-competition test"
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And my first thought was "she ate an offal burrito ten hours before a meet? seems risky for an entirely separate set of reasons."

Anyhow, this is a bummer. I enjoy watching her race.

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19. "FEELS like she's telling the truth..."
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and that maybe there should be more wiggle room in these instances.

I mean, she's taken and passed 100 tests since 2016? I realize you can cheat a test, but c'mon.

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20. "No. She’s not telling the truth."
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For the amount she tested positive for is equivalent to a high dosage
injection. Her excuse is totally implausible, which is why the suspension
stood. Her case went through sports arbitration as well...

She would have been better off skipping the test, since USADA allows
athletes to miss no more than 2 dope tests per a 12 month testing cycle.

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24. "This seems like something that makes her look good in the light."
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>She would have been better off skipping the test, since USADA
>allows
>athletes to miss no more than 2 dope tests per a 12 month
>testing cycle.
>
>

I mean, if SHE knew she was doping (obv), and she knew she could just skip a test but still took it....kinda makes her look good like "i have nothing to fear of course i'll take the test"...

...and I know they aren't court-worthy, but she passed a lie detector too.

i dunno man.

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25. "Well, not if she thought the drug was out of her system at the time. "
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone_decanoate

From researching the steroid Nandrolone, it is eliminated from the blood
in under 10 hours, if I’m reading the elimination time correctly. It stays in
the muscles between 6-12 days, and provides performance enhancing
ability up to 2-3 weeks.

Again, that’s if I’m reading the numbers correctly.

Basically, what I’m saying is that her positive test was no accident.
Her levels weren’t even close to the acceptable amount that
an athlete is allowed to have in his/her system.

Her levels, more than likely, were due to a high dosage injection.

Again, she said she traced it back to a burrito that she ate. That’s equivalent
to a student telling the teacher that the “dog ate his homework.”








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26. "i understand what you're saying about the levels the test found."
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my question is, if this pork has this element in it that can create a positive test, is it possible that the test was close enough to the consumption to make this happen?

i dunno. i'm not educated enough nor do i really care to be.

like i said from jump, it FEELS like this could be messed up.

because she's been taking tests for years w/ nothing going on apparently, and, from what i read, while she's very good at what she does, it's not like she's been utterly dominating the sport and now this explains her success.

just seems like, historically, she's been doing it legit and letting the chips fall where they will.

unless she was fed up and just wanted to win at all cost, it doesn't seem like there's an M.O. for the "crime."

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29. "Shelby Houlihan is as elite as they come,"
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and is easily top 5-10 in the world at 1500 and 5000m.
She owns the 1500m and 5000m AR. She’s a sub
2 min 800 min runner. Her PR at 1500m is 3:54,making her a serious
medal threat in all championship races. Keep in mind Hassan and Kipyegon
just ran 3:53 last week, so no telling where Houlihan’s speed is at the moment.


She is hands down America’s best women’s distance runner on the track.

So there is a huge possibility that her success is the result of taking
PEDs

Her defense simply has zero legitimacy due to the levels of her test result,
and her B sample also came back positive. So there was no error or inconsistency
with the testing process. Her attorney requested that the samples be sent to an
independent lab for further testing, and CAS denied the request, and rightfully so.

Athletes saying they are clean or have a history of being clean carries
zero weight in these types of situations, because history has taught us
that so called clean athletes are some of the biggest drug cheats in the
sport.










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30. "aight. gonna have to take your word for it."
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that's not a slight. i really don't follow track like THAT. especially not people who run longer distance races.

so, i'm admittedly ignorant for the most part when it comes to her "elite-ness." to me, the elites win they don't just challenge. but maybe she's just the best america can do and america can't win those races...i truly don't know.

i DEFINITELY don't understand drug tests with any clarity.

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39. "You can't "skip" tests"
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Skip as in shut the door on the testers face. Once they find you, you have to take it or you face an automatic ban.

That's why you have some folks playing Carmen San Diego when testers come around and get whereabouts violations. Those are just as shady to me and almost equal to positive tests in my mind

  

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40. "Not that type of skip."
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Skip - as in don’t make yourself available during your 1 hour window.

Brianna Rollins and Christian Coleman were masters of it.....but they took
it too far.

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22. "I'm not buying the taco truck defense"
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Also the reaction of the arbitrator (CAS) is pretty telling. They had the ability to reverse or reduce the penalty if her explanation warranted it. They've done it before.
But they are holding firm on the full penalty.

Hopefully CAS will disclose their reasoning. Right now all we here is the one sided story from her and her crew.

  

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27. "I don't believe her, but I also don't care"
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There's nothing intrinsically immoral about the act of taking drugs to run faster. It's immoral because it's against the rules, and in doing it you're trying to gain an advantage that other runners (ostensibly, but that's obviously bullshit) don't have.

So, track fans are left with a few options:

a)play pretend detective on the internet to figure out who's doping and who isn't and decide which performances are legitimate or not based on your own assessment

b)prefer that they permit performance enhancing drugs to eliminate any ambiguity

c)Treat it as a factual matter - using drugs is a problem because a suspension has the same results (potentially) as an injury: you miss some important meets.

I used to choose option "A" but then that got boring and hypocritical. The runners I liked? Absolutely clean. The runners I don't care about? Probably dirty. WADA? Good when they catch the latter group. Bad when they catch the former group.

But the problem with option A is that enlists fans moralizing to solve a problem that the governing institutions of track and field are unwilling or unable to solve themselves. But me pointing at Justin Gatlin and going "bad" and pointing at Christian Coleman and going "good" isn't an actual solution.

So now I choose option C, which is the Ockham-ist approach that the conclusion requiring the least assumptions is correct. Houlihan fucked up (in one way or another) and tested positive, which comes with a suspension. The women's 1500m field just got worse. These are the only things we'll ever get to truly know, so those (and the end results on the actual track) are the only things I'm going to bother caring about.

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23. "Her reason or excuse got her banned, because it makes zero sense."
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I WANT to believe her because of what she tested positive for. She tested positive for an anabolic steroid, which doesn’t make sense for a distance runner. Distance runners don’t look to put on more muscle. They look to gain more oxygen or more red blood cells, so the PEDS that are used are ones that stimulates the body to produce more red blood cells or that will expand the bronchial tubes.

Also, her hair samples didn’t show a build up of the drug in her body. Plus she has taken over 100 drug tests in her career without ever testing positive, so she has a clean track record.

(note: Lance Armstrong never tested positive, so having
a clean testing history doesn’t necessarily mean that a person is a clean athlete)

However, her reason or excuse for testing positive doesn’t quite add up. Mexican pork burritos, which are called carnitas, are made from pork shoulders and butt. Carnitas don’t consist of pork organs, which is where the steroid is formed inside of pigs.

Her levels of the steroid were very high, and she would have had to eaten 10-15 contaminated pork burritos 10 hours prior to being tested in order to have gotten those high levels from eating that particular form of food.

So I understand why the decision was upheld.

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31. "missed this reply ^^^up there^^^"
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thanks for the breakdown.

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32. "Also, one thing I want to add."
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They gave her ass 4 years. That’s a death sentence in track and field,
regardless of the age of the athlete. Considering this is her first time
offense , and she is white, I’m surprised she simply didn’t get 2 years.

They gave her ass 4 years, so she can’t even compete in the 2024 Olympics,
and she will not be available for the next world championships.

They made an example of her ass for a reason. It doesn’t pay to be uncooperative or
walk in denial against USADA or WADA. They will punish your black or white ass,
and any other color of ass that cheats.

And great runners of the past highly frown at cheaters, especially
those cheaters who broke their records. The purist in track and field make baseball’s
purists look like casual softball watchers.



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33. "so lemme ask you this since you know way more about it than me:"
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it said she's going to appeal to another board or agency (that I assume has some ranking authority over the issue). how will that go? if the authorities have already taken a strong stance on this, would there be any chance that this appeal has a chance?

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34. "She already appealed to CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport)"
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They are pretty much the final say. They denied it.

Her last chance is the Swiss Supreme Court which seems like a huge long shot. They pretty much just check if any laws/civil rights were violated

  

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37. "Yes, I read about that. She wants to take it to the Swiss Tribunal."
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The Court of Arbitration of Sports is located in Switzerland, so her legal
team wants to take it to the Supreme Court of that country.

Castor Semenya went the same route in regards to CAS ruling that she
could no longer compete in the women’s division to ensure an even playing field.
The Swiss Tribunal upheld the judgment, and she had a real case of possible
discrimination, because it isn’t her fault that she is a mixed gender human being.
Discrimination was proven, but deemed necessary for the equality of the sport.
That decision still rattles me, because it was the right thing to do, even though
it was unfair.

But this is totally different. They don’t know anything about track and field when
it comes to drug policies. Plus this case isn’t about someone’s human rights, and
she isn’t being discriminated against. She simply wants the decision to be reversed
on her claim that she ingested a contaminated burrito. LOL

She doesn’t seems too bright to me, and her legal team aren’t doing her
any favors. If her only argument is a burrito, and she has no other items or
evidence to support her defense, her actions at this point are futile.

I would have used the accidental injection excuse, but I wouldn’t have fought
the ban. I would have accepted the first decision for a lighter punishment,
giving me some public leeway to deny it throughout my career....on some
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21. "NM"
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NM

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28. "Some interesting trials declarations too (Fred Kerley)"
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Fred Kerley's busted some pretty strong 100m races this spring, and actually claimed a couple impressive heads in the process. But I just kind of assumed he was working on his top-end speed in a VanNiekerk-ian attempt to jump the field in the 400m.

Anyhow, he's not running the 400m at the trials, declaring instead for the 100 and the 200m. Feels like a bit of a headscratcher to me. He could definitely make either/both of those teams, but it seems less likely than the 400m. He actually hasn't run very many strong 200's yet, and that 100m field is full of veterans that I trust a bit more to work through the rounds and pop something under 9.90 in the finals. Doesn't mean he can't, just that I expect three of that Gatlin, Bromell, Baker, Bracy, Lyles definitely will.

Whatever. I like watching him race, so I hope he's right about this.

Lot of scratches yesterday too, in addition to Houlihan. Evan Jager is out of the steeple. People saw that coming because he's been hurt a lot, but it was nice to dream on a medal in this event even if it meant pretending he was still at his peak. Rowbury and Huddle out, injury and, uh, oldness.

Athing Mu's been saying all year she's an 800m runner, and she wasn't joking. Though she was pushing hard for a relay spot in that NCAA post-meet conference.

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35. "I think Kerley is making the right move"
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He hasn't been running the 400 like he did a few years ago (43.74). The last couple of 400s he's run have been mid 44s. The US team is gonna be tough to make with a time like that. Too competitive.

The 100 field seems relatively weak. He's shown that 9.90 wasn't a fluke and if he can stay in the range at the trials, he has a decent chance of getting to the Olympics.

  

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36. "Man, I hope you're right"
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We're seeing the same fields and coming to opposite conclusions, which sounds about right with the way COVID's fucked with training and competition schedules. Still, I'm having a hard time imagining it - except you're right about Kerley proving it. That's a good call. Not like he just popped one.

I wonder if he's in play for 4*400m duty.

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38. "Fred started off as a 100/200 guy and then"
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shifted to the 400. So this isn’t foreign territory.

With the times college kids ran at the NCAAs,
and throw in the top pros like Michael Norman,
WVN, etc, he knows he doesn’t have the shape to be
a medal threat.

100m isn’t a sure shot either. Bromel and Degrasse are
in fine form, and you know Gatlin is going to be there somehow,
someway. But I definitely feel he has the better chance at medaling
in the 100.

His 400 strength definitely gives him an Edge in the last 30m....could
also take part in the 4x100.

His 200 is trash though. He has never run sub 20, and just seems lost.
It’s either all out strength or all speed with him.

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41. "Houlihan is racing / Who wants a pick'em?"
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Apparently, Houlihan is still gonna race pending whatever court injunctions and appeals processes are left for her. That's gonna be super awkward for everybody involved, but she's fast so it'll also make a good race.

Any of you dummies wanna try and pick the Olympic team? Fields are here:

https://www.usatf.org/events/2021/2020-u-s-olympic-team-trials-track-field/status-of-entries

Here are my picks. If you disagree with them without making your own, then you're a coward and an asshole. Respect the discourse.

100m:
Women - Richardson, Hobbs, Sturgis*
Men - Bromell, Gatlin, Baker

*NCAA pop-ups are a tough pick because they've been hitting it hard since January, but it's not like it's THAT uncommon.

200m:
women - Gabby Thomas, Richardson, Brown
men - Lyles, Bednarek, Laird#

#does anybody know if Joe Fahnbulleh is a citizen? It's a common Liberian name, but he grew up here and I think he's raced for the US in some junior events. Weird that he's not entered.

400m:
women - Ellis, Irby, Felix^
men - Norman, Cherry, Deadmon

^fine, I'm sentimental.

800m:
women: Mu, Wilson, Grace
men: Brazier, Hoppel, Murphy%

%feels like two years since I've seen him race well, but whatever.

1500m:
women: Purrier, Simpson, Cranny@
men: Engels, Centrowitz, Hocker

@Houlihan should win/place but I don't really know what to do with that since she's not gonna make the team.

5000m:
women: Norris, Frazier, Schweizer**
men: Fisher, Chelimo, True

**Houlihan at the top of this list too, blargh.

10,000m:
women - Monson, Infeld, Hall
men - Klecker, Lomong, Nur

Steeple:
women: Coburn, Frerichs, Ostrander
men: Ferlic, Bor, Ali

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42. "Forgot hurdles"
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Picking the women's high hurdles is a nightmare. That has been an incredibly good field and it keeps growing. McNeal is racing too.

So, throw a dart: Harrison, Clemons, McNeal, and a 4th because McNeal isn't headed to Tokyo probably - Nelvis.

110HH: Holloway, Roberts, Crittendon

IMs: McLaughlin, Little, Muhammad*
Benjamin, Hall, Burrell


*First IAC/ISL (the conference I coach in) entry in my memory with Masai Russell of Kentucky, running both the high and intermediate hurdles. She's seeded pretty high in the intermediate hurdles.

edit: getting a real crack at the Benjamin, Warholm, Samba matchup is really cool.

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43. "And she's out again"
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Hilarious, I guess.

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44. "USTAF were going to allow her to run, which would"
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have destroyed their integrity and credibility as a governing body.

USOPC stepped in and put a stop to it immediately. She is serving a ban,
and therefore she it not allowed to race. That is a court order, and WADA
had to remind USATF that they are a member federation, and by being a
member federation, they have to abide by all decisions, fillings, and rulings
that are issued by CAS.

For those who don’t know, Nike sponsors USTAF, so Nike practically runs USTAF
And Houlihan runs for the Bowerman Track Club, which is also sponsored by Nike,
so they practically run that, too.

This not only showcases the arrogance and irreverence of Shelby Houlihan,
but illustrates just how far a dirty business is willing to go to market and promote
its products and athletes. Nike feels it is above all rules and regulations.

We can’t say anything about Russia and the drug based athletic programs
that they run and sponsor.

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45. "uh huh"
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>have destroyed their integrity and credibility as a governing
>body.

and by knuckling to nike and then not doing the right thing until they were forced to, they just made themselves look even more impotent.

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