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legsdiamond
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"Osaka said isn’t giving interviews"


          

and may be forced out of the tourney.

Not sure how I feel about this. I get her mental health argument but its also part of the job.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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She is way out of bounds on this one.
May 30th 2021
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I still remember the first time she beat Serena
May 30th 2021
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      The French Open organizers even reached out to her
May 30th 2021
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           Osaka says its for mental health and you say she is mentally sensitive
May 30th 2021
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                We know that.
May 30th 2021
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she turned pro before her 16th birthday
May 30th 2021
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Tennis has always been like that. Gymnastics is even younger.
May 30th 2021
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lmao at parents being there
May 30th 2021
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I think you’re over exaggerating
May 30th 2021
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      I’m comparing age/maturity when talking about other sports
May 30th 2021
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           Serena has never refused to stop talking to the press
May 30th 2021
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Yo, I know smart-dumb-dumb posting is your thing but
May 31st 2021
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The nba doesnt do that bc of the media
May 30th 2021
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of course they dont do it for the media
Jun 01st 2021
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I still remember this 14y/o Serena interview Richard shut that shit down...
May 31st 2021
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I do t think because things were one way
May 30th 2021
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did the media win with Marshawn Lynch?
May 30th 2021
11
Ahe need to marshawn this shit
May 30th 2021
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she gives too many fucks for that.
May 30th 2021
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Athletes shouldn’t be required to do interviews
May 30th 2021
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The difference is a lot of the money athletes make comes from
May 31st 2021
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100% agree
May 31st 2021
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All that money they get paid is partly from media.
Jun 01st 2021
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There's a structural problem.
May 30th 2021
18
Awesome, I hope she pulls it off
May 30th 2021
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the dumb bullshit is what makes sports a paying job and not a hobby tho
Jun 03rd 2021
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i like her a lot but i cant ride with her on this one.
May 30th 2021
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Fine her for every one she misses
May 30th 2021
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she made $55 mill last year. Highest paid woman in sports
May 31st 2021
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      damn thats way more than i thought. yeah eat the fines
May 31st 2021
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RE: Osaka said isn’t giving interviews
May 30th 2021
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LOL
Jun 01st 2021
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RE: Osaka said isn’t giving interviews
May 30th 2021
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Pretty much
May 31st 2021
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If I were her opponent I’d be vicious with the shit talk
May 31st 2021
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She got the juice now. She needs to call their bluff
May 31st 2021
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No, they don’t.
May 31st 2021
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      She's a superstar. People buy tickets and tune in to see *her*
May 31st 2021
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           which is why they are all threatening to disqualify her
Jun 01st 2021
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She just withdrew.
May 31st 2021
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:O now this is a wild card
May 31st 2021
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Good
May 31st 2021
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Good.
May 31st 2021
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what a waste
May 31st 2021
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Smart move.
May 31st 2021
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Great move for her...
Jun 01st 2021
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Stop.
May 31st 2021
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Zero tolerance.
May 31st 2021
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      ah man. i was with you until here
May 31st 2021
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      lol
May 31st 2021
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           Well...now that's just odd of you.
Jun 01st 2021
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      I was confused about the edit too
Jun 01st 2021
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I hope she gets the help she needs, for whatever she's going through.
May 31st 2021
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No athlete in tennis has been able to thus far, maybe from now
Jun 01st 2021
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      RE: No athlete in tennis has been able to thus far, maybe from now
Jun 01st 2021
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Here for it
Jun 01st 2021
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+1
Jun 01st 2021
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What are they asking Coco?
Jun 01st 2021
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      Wasn’t exactly a question, more of an ignorant statement
Jun 01st 2021
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           Smh yeah. Wonder why the interviews are so trash
Jun 02nd 2021
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For the record: Trolling mental health will not be tolerated...
Jun 01st 2021
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Grand Slam Tennis leaders pledge to address Osaka's concerns...
Jun 01st 2021
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weird shit in here
Jun 01st 2021
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People in here projecting their fears onto others...
Jun 01st 2021
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RE: weird shit in here
Jun 02nd 2021
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      The man point is they are human beings first
Jun 02nd 2021
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           is someone disputing that?
Jun 03rd 2021
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Have you apologized to Richard Williams yet
Jun 02nd 2021
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^^^^^^^^
Jun 02nd 2021
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wow, never seen this before. thx
Jun 02nd 2021
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Part of Naomi’s statement really stood out to me
Jun 02nd 2021
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powerful
Jun 02nd 2021
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Economies rooted in colonialism and imperialism...
Jun 03rd 2021
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RE: Economies rooted in colonialism and imperialism...
Jun 03rd 2021
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      and you somehow think it's incapable of adjusting
Jun 03rd 2021
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           I really cannot believe people are reading their own replies
Jun 03rd 2021
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Officially off the Osaka train
Mar 13th 2022
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if all they said was just “Naomi you suck” then she ain’t built fo...
Mar 13th 2022
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      Remarkable the different standards we hold athletes to.
Mar 13th 2022
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           This is what she chose...of course it's different
Mar 13th 2022
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           RE: This is what she chose...of course it's different
Mar 13th 2022
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                Like I said, very disappointed that we're not talking about mental healt...
Mar 13th 2022
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                     It isn't?
Mar 13th 2022
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                          What are your thoughts on fuck ben simmons chants?
Mar 14th 2022
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                               what about booing a player at the FT line in womens basketball?
Mar 14th 2022
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                               word...let this man live.
Mar 14th 2022
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                               I get worried for his health lol...he is so animated
Mar 14th 2022
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                               I mean, in tennis, people don't yell at the opponent.
Mar 16th 2022
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                                    ^^^ all of this. tennis != hoop. if this shit was normal, perhaps she'd ...
Mar 17th 2022
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                               Why do it?
Mar 14th 2022
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                                    i don't disagree with you per se.
Mar 14th 2022
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           Then you’re as fragile as she is , point blank
Mar 13th 2022
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           Does this say more about you or her?
Mar 13th 2022
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                99.9% of the people of earth’s lives are harder than hers
Mar 13th 2022
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                     She's rich and protected, therefore it's okay to verbally abuse her.
Mar 14th 2022
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                          “You suck” isn’t verbal abuse! And you can die on this hill if you...
Mar 14th 2022
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                          Well, first off, bless your wife for doing good work.
Mar 14th 2022
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                               I've got more to say, but goddamn I respect your class. Truly.
Mar 14th 2022
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                               I mean, it ain't always the case....
Mar 14th 2022
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                               wait.. from you suck to Kyiv? That’s a bridge too far
Mar 14th 2022
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                                    I actually started that lol and I was exaggerating
Mar 14th 2022
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                                         gotcha.. I was like hold the fuck up.
Mar 14th 2022
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                          you suck is verbal abuse? cmon b.. lol
Mar 14th 2022
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                               RE: you suck is verbal abuse? cmon b.. lol
Mar 14th 2022
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           well my field is not for public consumption and entertainment
Mar 13th 2022
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           RE: well my field is not for public consumption and entertainment
Mar 13th 2022
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           she needs to retire if one heckle leads to a meltdown
Mar 13th 2022
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           It’s a fair question to consider
Mar 13th 2022
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           lmao at elite.. Osaka is also elite and gets heckled
Mar 14th 2022
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           You could never be a public school teacher. Lmao
Mar 13th 2022
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                Lol
Mar 14th 2022
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                Yeah. That's why I t taught college for 20 years instead.
Mar 14th 2022
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Our society has always normalized abuse
Mar 16th 2022
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I went to a HS game a while back and yelled at the ref and the gym looke...
Mar 17th 2022
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      Lolol
Mar 17th 2022
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One person's mental health journey looks different from others
Mar 17th 2022
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allStah
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1. "She is way out of bounds on this one."
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Sun May-30-21 01:37 PM by allStah

          

The media has adored her from the very beginning. She hasn’t had
to go through what Venus or Serena had to go through, or Arthur Ashe,
or Althea Gibson.

She cites her Mental Health. Well, if that’s the case take a break from tennis.
You’re still able to go out there and play. I think she just doesn’t want to answer
questions. She could be introverted. I get it. I am as well. But just answer the
questions and move on.

She has to have poor handlers, because the fact they would allow her
to get fined 15,000 is just insane. That adds up quickly in a tournament.

15,0000 vs 15 min press conference? hmmm, I don’t know which one to do..

Doing interviews is simple, some people even develop scripts for it.

She keeps this up and they will destroy her. You’re not special and you’re not
above all the other players who have to do press conferences. I can understand
skipping one here and there. Several have done it. But to say
you’re not doing anymore press conferences, is just don’t right unprofessional.




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2. "I still remember the first time she beat Serena"
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and the crowd was booing because the ref punished Serena and gave Osaka a match because they said she cursed after he accused her coach of giving pointers from the stands.

After the match Osaka cried during her speech, apologized for winning and said she knew the crowd hated her.

I was thrown when she said it and couldn’t even understand how she came to that conclusion but I think that is how her mind works.

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4. "The French Open organizers even reached out to her "
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Sun May-30-21 02:01 PM by allStah

          

to see if there was anything they could do or implement to
make the media process less stressful or difficult. She or her
mgt. team never responded or got back to them.

“According to the statement, French Open officials privately asked Osaka to reconsider her position and sought to speak with her about her well-being but got no response.”

Either something or someone is putting her up to this, or she is just that mentally sensitive. Either way it goes, it’s a huge breach of her contractual obligations.

Do the press conferences and then get the fock out of dodge. That’s what
most athletes do. All the other shit that the press try to do, you can tell them
to fock off.

Give me the focking 15 grand, instead of just focking off money like that.

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10. "Osaka says its for mental health and you say she is mentally sensitive"
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lmao

real man of genius here.

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13. "We know that."
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I was referring to the extent of her mental sensitive...hence the word
“that”.

We don’t know what is going on behind the curtains. This just seems
strange and bizarre to me, and her approach prior to the French Open
happening.

Is she taking this stance to bring attention to mental health globally, or
to HER mental health, or all the above? There really isn’t a lot of clarity
on it, which is why the French Open reached out to her to get clarity.

I know mental health is a serious issue, but there needs to be more information
given from her or her camp. Simply given an announcement with no further discourse
or communication is unprofessional, and she is handling it in an unprofessional
matter.


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3. "she turned pro before her 16th birthday"
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I think this is the real story.

they force nba players to wait a year after HS but you can go pro at like 14 in tennis..

and you are supposed to be able to process all that outside noise and criticism?

I can definitely see how doubt creeps in or the mind isn’t mature enough to handle tough questions.

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5. "Tennis has always been like that. Gymnastics is even younger."
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And in Tennis, to my knowledge there hasn’t been situations of
abuse,melt downs, etc.

The parents have always been available and there for support, because it were
the parents who put them down that path.


She isn’t going to get sympathy from anyone. Either do the pressers, or get
suspended from being able to compete on the tennis circuit. Plus she just started?
She’a not Serena or Steffi.

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6. "lmao at parents being there"
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no.. that isn’t how this works.

and we see what Tennis did to Mr Williams.

she doesn’t have to be the greatest ever to bring attention to this issue.

again, I think she will have to do them and should do them but she also has the blessing of Serena. We have seen Serena breakdown multiple times in pressers. They love seeing that shit too.



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7. "I think you’re over exaggerating "
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Sun May-30-21 03:32 PM by allStah

          

this.

Serena has never broken down over the press. She shedded tears over
issues on the tennis court or when discussing retirement, but nothing
about the press conferences themselves. And she never refused to
speak to the press for an entire tournament or for the rest of her life.

The press in tennis is nothing like basketball or football, not even close.

If you lose, there will be questions asked, and there will be pressure based
on expectations. It comes with the territory.


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9. "I’m comparing age/maturity when talking about other sports "
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vs how young tennis players like Osaka where when she had to face the press

and you are right. Its not even close.

NBA and NFL are team sports. Real easy to say we/us/them vs it all being on an island by yourself.

and no, I never said Serena did the same thing. She has walked out of pressers early. She is also built differently than Osaka. That is the whole focking point.

you just made up a bunch of sh#t but I know that’s how you do.

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12. "Serena has never refused to stop talking to the press "
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for an entire tourney or any other female tennis player that I can recall.
Serena and the press in itself were never an issue, or has ever been
an issue in the sport of tennis.

Only time tennis really gets coverage is during grand slam events,
and that is for about a two week run.

Plus she planned this prior to the event for whatever reason.

Now if she is having individual issues, then fine, step away, take time off.
But don’t draw this campaign or make it seem like the press is targeting her
or coming down on her.

Every tennis player has to do a press conference based on the policies
of each tourney. Osaka is not above that.

She has actually created more press than what would have been routine....

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29. "Yo, I know smart-dumb-dumb posting is your thing but"
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have you never heard of Jennifer Capriati? Shit, Agassi admitted to smoking meth while on the tour and had to rock a wig to hide his hair loss as a cause of.

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But hell, what do I know?

  

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15. "The nba doesnt do that bc of the media"
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They deal with media in college, the top in high school.
>

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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48. "of course they dont do it for the media"
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its for the money.

that was never my point. The point is going pro at 14 or 15 exposes you to an immense amount of media pressure and I’m sure its hard for some of the to handle to scrutiny.

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41. "I still remember this 14y/o Serena interview Richard shut that shit down..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKYA0irAAzg

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8. "I do t think because things were one way"
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That’s the only way.

She’s using her power and privilege to speak up for herself and others.
Even not speaking to the media, will help the media win here because they’ll have a story to obsess over

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11. "did the media win with Marshawn Lynch? "
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I think she can find a nice balance where she shows up but gives shorter answers.

but she will have to fulfill her obligations or it will continue to snowball

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14. "Ahe need to marshawn this shit"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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16. "she gives too many fucks for that."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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17. "Athletes shouldn’t be required to do interviews"
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If elected officials aren’t required to do interviews, athletes shouldn’t be. Most of the questions are stupid and it has nothing to do with the actual sport. If sports organizations want the media to have access so badly, they can do the interviews themselves. I guess I’m the outlier who doesn’t give a shit about a post-game interview tho

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24. "The difference is a lot of the money athletes make comes from "
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media contracts. ABC/ESPN, NBC, CBS, etc. pay the sports leagues billions of dollars for broadcast rights, and that indirectly pays salaries for athletes. That’s why the athletes are contractually obligated to do interviews. I absolutely agree that most of the questions are stupid, but it’s part of the job.

  

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27. "100% agree"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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46. "All that money they get paid is partly from media."
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So this makes zero sense. If you take the money from the job you have to perform the job requirements, just like normal people.

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18. "There's a structural problem."
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Sun May-30-21 07:27 PM by Buck

  

          

A foundation of a horribly sports-obsessed culture, to begin with, magnified by out-of-context sound bites and twisted clickbait headlines and relentless social media trolling. And a sprawling media complex desperate for content to feed our habits.

Then the same stupid questions over and again: "Did you feel...." "Talk us through..." "Can you say something about..."

An idea: if she's to be fined for skipping that bullshit, then every press-pass holder who asks her some fucking moronic, hateful, leading question should also be fined. And subsequent violations should lead to a permanent ban.

Players should be protected from having to deal with hacks. Problem solved.

  

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19. "Awesome, I hope she pulls it off"
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Media obligations for an event like that seem awful and tedious. I'd really like to imagine a world where I can do all the fun parts of my job and none of the dumb bullshit. Seems like that begins with crossing my fingers that a famous world class athlete can pull it off.

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73. "the dumb bullshit is what makes sports a paying job and not a hobby tho"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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20. "i like her a lot but i cant ride with her on this one."
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i could see if she was someone who the media had an adversarial relationship with.

  

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21. "Fine her for every one she misses"
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She will be back. Or maybe not. She’s fucking stacking rn.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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26. "she made $55 mill last year. Highest paid woman in sports"
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$15K aint shit

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "damn thats way more than i thought. yeah eat the fines"
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they not gonna the biggest player in the sport from the tournament. that'd make the whole thing a farce.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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22. "RE: Osaka said isn’t giving interviews"
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>and may be forced out of the tourney.
>
>Not sure how I feel about this. I get her mental health
>argument but its also part of the job.

Depending on how badly the media and the officials handle this, she will get turned into a mascot and/or hero.

Zoomed out, put me down for ‘the right after it’s over post game interview format has long outlived its usefulness’. You’re mostly not going to get true emotion, real talk commentary, or amazing insight from the players. Coaches can’t exactly tell folks too much worth a damn either.

In 2021, we will end up arguing about the wrong thing. It’ll be all about how back in the day everyone was real Compton city Gs / deez kids now are Mark azz tricks who can’t deal with anything. Or we will end up in a mental health conversation where anything against the mental health angle will be viewed like booing a gospel song at the Apollo.

For my money, we should question if there’s anything to gain from these postgame talks.

  

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50. "LOL"
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>
>In 2021, we will end up arguing about the wrong thing. It’ll
>be all about how back in the day everyone was real Compton
>city Gs / deez kids now are Mark azz tricks who can’t deal
>with anything. Or we will end up in a mental health
>conversation where anything against the mental health angle
>will be viewed like booing a gospel song at the Apollo.
>

  

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23. "RE: Osaka said isn’t giving interviews"
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You're an entertainer lol that's why you making all this money. If you don't want to do it, don't play the events where these appearances are compulsory.

If nobody cared, and no one read the articles, no one would cover the sport or ask you questions.


And you wouldn't make much money.


The game is the game.



After a certain level of success no one looks forward to sitting at the merch table after shows, or doing press junkets for their movies, or doing readings for their books.


But the reasons why you still have to do it are obvious.


Is there any evidence of her being abused by the press? Cats throw their capes on for everyone these days.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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28. "Pretty much"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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25. "If I were her opponent I’d be vicious with the shit talk "
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31. "She got the juice now. She needs to call their bluff"
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See if they really got the balls to pull her from the tournament.

Athletes need to show that they have the leverage. That they have autonomy over themselves. The Open needs her a lot more than she needs them

  

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37. "No, they don’t. "
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It’s the other way around. Tennis has been around for 100 years, and she is in the
early stages of her career. And there is a plethora of up and coming talent developing
and waiting in the background such as Coca Gauff,etc, as well as great talented players
on tour who have already beaten her.

Great players come and go, but the game will always be here. No one is
bigger than game.

The Problem isn’t tennis or the press, but since she is going to do the right
thing and take a break from competition, she will hopefully be able to figure things
out.



ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
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40. "She's a superstar. People buy tickets and tune in to see *her*"
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Not just any match. They tune in specifically to see her.
She's the highest earning female athlete for a reason. People want to see her.

The sport of tennis isn't going to disappear without her. But you're kidding yourself if you think one of the most famous athletes in the world pulling out won't be detrimental to the 2021 French Open.

And the other tourneys are hoping she doesn't skip any more. Else there ad dollars are going to dry up.

They need her more than she needs them right now

  

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49. "which is why they are all threatening to disqualify her"
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they want her and access to her after the event because she generates a ton of clicks.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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32. "She just withdrew."
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33. ":O now this is a wild card"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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34. "Good"
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35. "Good."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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36. "what a waste"
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who gives a shit about these in-tourney press conferences, seriously. The only interesting one ever was when Nadal cramped up and slid under the table (granted that was legendary), otherwise I find it insanely disingenuous to get on Osaka’s case about this

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38. "Smart move. "
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She also said on her Twitter page that she is taking a break
from competing. Good, take all the time that you need, and
work on whatever internal issues that are plaguing you.

Allowing yourself to get fined 15,000 a match is/was not the
way to tackle the situation.

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47. "Great move for her..."
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In the short term, she doesn't have to deal with the anxiety of the French press, or extra criticism from media and fans for playing and not doing interviews that are part of the job. That was abut to bring even more attention to her than before, which would have likely had an effect on her playing.

In the long term, thinking of her career going forward doing something like this might actually make future interviews more easy. First because of empathy for mental health concerns, but also because they realize that they may need her more than she needs them.

  

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39. "Stop."
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Stop.

  

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42. "Zero tolerance."
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43. "ah man. i was with you until here"
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> you have an issue with me shitting on the lakers then just
>say that lol.

keep doing gods work, cyren

  

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44. "lol"
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(i only shat on the lakers cuz ryan m is being a dick)

  

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60. "Well...now that's just odd of you. "
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54. "I was confused about the edit too"
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________________________________________
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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45. "I hope she gets the help she needs, for whatever she's going through."
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But as others in this thread have said, the media is part of the deal.

It's perfectly fine to push back on the stupid questions, but no athlete can refuse to deal with them.

  

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51. "No athlete in tennis has been able to thus far, maybe from now"
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I think that is somewhat of the / her point here too, maybe this will move the needle a bit in terms of certain obligations these players have?

First of all: The post-game interviews are TRASH. Half of the time its like «Yes hi good to see you did you like it today yes ok cool»

They add nothing to the game, they're way too formal and at the same time hella dumb.

I JUST WANTED TO WATCH HER PLAY. I bought a new online sports TV whatever subscription just to watch the French Open, mainly for her and Roger Federer. And now, I'm not watching her and that sucks of course. I'm fine if I never hear her voice on TV again, I'm good with her just posting whatever taco lunches on IG and playing beautiful tennis. Her performance on the court matters, her preferences after the game shouldn't matter - this much

  

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52. "RE: No athlete in tennis has been able to thus far, maybe from now"
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That's you though.

The media is a big part of why she is rich. Lots of people (not you obviously) want to hear from athletes in all types of settings not just the ones in which they are most comfortable.

I never stood in line to talk to an artist at a merch table. I am fine with just seeing the show and going home but obviously LOTS of people want to have that interaction.

How many artists really want to sit at a merch table after a show? Not that many. After a certain level of success, it's a fucking headache.

But it also is how you get paid, so you either do it. Or accept that you are going to lose money.

The idea that your job should never have you doing anything that you are not super psyched about is ridiculous.

And while you don't care about interviews, lots of people do. I do!

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53. "Here for it"
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Everyone has a choice

Actually had a conversation with the higher up at my job IRT writing people up, discipline, etc...

The pandemic isn’t the time for some of this nonsense

It’s enough for some of us to just get through

If that’s what she needs to be well...she has my support

+1, did you hear some of the questions they’re asking CoCo?

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55. "+1"
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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

  

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56. "What are they asking Coco?"
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61. "Wasn’t exactly a question, more of an ignorant statement "
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“You are often compared to the Williams sisters. Maybe it’s because you’re Black. But I guess it’s because you’re talented and maybe American too,”

^ this is what a 17y.o. is dealing with...imagine the B$ Naomi goes through...

+2, Coco handled that.

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69. "Smh yeah. Wonder why the interviews are so trash"
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57. "For the record: Trolling mental health will not be tolerated..."
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..When someone states that they're dealing with a mental health crisis (however slight or severe), the worst thing you can do is make light of it.

The media obligations in professional sports are important, but they're not everything. The manner in which the media is currently allowed to say/do/publish whatever they want without regard or repercussion is ridiculous. Its beyond insensitive and abusive.

"..but what about tradition?.. ..but what about the fines/$$$?.. this will destroy their career... "

None of that trumps the mental health & wellness of the people involved.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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58. "Grand Slam Tennis leaders pledge to address Osaka's concerns..."
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https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/31547549/grand-slam-tennis-leaders-pledge-address-naomi-osaka-concerns-players-mental-health

Grand Slam tennis leaders pledge to address Naomi Osaka's concerns about players' mental health

The leaders of the four Grand Slam tennis tournaments reacted Tuesday to Naomi Osaka's stunning withdrawal from the French Open by promising to address players' concerns about mental health.

The pledge came in a statement signed by the same four administrators who threatened the possibility of disqualification or suspension for Osaka on Sunday if she continued to skip news conferences.

The four-time major champion and No. 2-ranked player was fined $15,000 when she didn't speak to reporters after her first-round victory at Roland Garros on Sunday. The next day, Osaka pulled out of the tournament entirely, saying she experiences "huge waves of anxiety" before meeting with the media and revealing she has "suffered long bouts of depression."

Osaka, a 23-year-old who was born in Japan and moved with her family to the U.S. at age 3, said she would "take some time away from the court now, but when the time is right I really want to work with the Tour to discuss ways we can make things better for the players, press and fans."

Tennis players are required to attend news conferences if requested to do so; Grand Slam rules allow for fines up to $20,000 if they don't show up.

"On behalf of the Grand Slams, we wish to offer Naomi Osaka our support and assistance in any way possible as she takes time away from the court. She is an exceptional athlete and we look forward to her return as soon as she deems appropriate," Tuesday's statement from those in charge of the French Open, Wimbledon, US Open and Australian Open said. "Mental health is a very challenging issue, which deserves our utmost attention. It is both complex and personal, as what affects one individual does not necessarily affect another. We commend Naomi for sharing in her own words the pressures and anxieties she is feeling and we empathize with the unique pressures tennis players may face."

French tennis federation president Gilles Moretton, All England Club chairman Ian Hewitt, U.S. Tennis Association president Mike McNulty and Tennis Australia president Jayne Hrdlicka pledged to work with players, the tours and media "to improve the player experience at our tournaments" while making sure the athletes all are on a "fair playing field, regardless of ranking or status."

In a separate statement issued Tuesday to the AP via email, International Tennis Federation official Heather Bowler the sport will "review what needs to evolve" after Osaka "shone a light on mental health issues."

"It's in all our interests to ensure that we continue to provide a respectful and qualitative environment that enables all stakeholders to do their job to their best ability, without impacting their health, and for the good of the sport," Bowler wrote.

Various players, including Serena Williams, offered support for Osaka and praised her for being forthcoming in her statement on social media Monday.

"It's hard. Nobody really knows what anyone is going through, no matter how much they choose to show on the outside. I had no idea about her. But I respect her openness," Ann Li, 20, of the U.S. said after winning her first-round match Tuesday at Roland Garros. "Our generation is becoming more open and open, which can be a good thing and also a bad thing sometimes. I hope she's doing OK."


Gael Monfils, 34, who also won Tuesday in Paris, said he could relate to Osaka's concerns to an extent.

"It's a very tough situation for her. I feel for her, because I have been struggling quite a lot as well," said Monfils, of France. "What she's dealing is even tough for me to even judge, because I think she has massive pressure from many things. I think she's quite young. She's handling it quite well. Sometime we want maybe too much from her ... so sometime, for sure, she is going to do some mistake."

And then Monfils offered a sentiment surely shared by many around tennis, from tournament and tour officials to athletes to the sport's fans.

"We need Naomi. We need her definitely to be 100%," Monfils said. "We need her back on the court, back the press conference -- and back happy."



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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59. "weird shit in here"
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mostly the idea that you are being compensated making everything in-bounds

I'm sure most of us deal with daily invasions in our lives for the sake of productivity...but we're getting paid, so OK?

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62. "People in here projecting their fears onto others..."
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..mostly because they're incapable of recognizing anything other than their own limitations.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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63. "RE: weird shit in here"
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>mostly the idea that you are being compensated making
>everything in-bounds

Who said that?

>
>I'm sure most of us deal with daily invasions in our lives for
>the sake of productivity...but we're getting paid, so OK?

If you are an entertainer, some things come with the job.

Maybe the job will change, although it's hard to see how it wouldn't still be very difficult for someone who is struggling with mental health on this level.


Either way, the main point is that she clearly needs to step away and get herself into a better place. Which is apparently what she is doing.

When Cat Power was melting down on stage due to anxiety, the problem was not fans and the grueling nature of touring, the problem was she wasn't mentally in a place to be playing live shows. Which is fine. Step away and take care of yourself. If depression and social anxiety are crippling you in this way, you may even want to assess if it's worth continuing in this career. You are young and incredibly wealthy. Just because you are good at professional tennis doesn't mean you have to do it forever.

Dave Chapelle walked away from his TV show, and was happier for it.




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65. "The man point is they are human beings first "
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Not entertainers

Nobody should be expected to be on the job 24hrs a day

...well, except maybe the president. Yeah, the POTUS should be on the job at all times...

But we need to see them as people first.

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74. "is someone disputing that?"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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64. "Have you apologized to Richard Williams yet"
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66. "^^^^^^^^"
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67. "wow, never seen this before. thx"
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68. "Part of Naomi’s statement really stood out to me "
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She said something about doubt

I kind of dismissed it like...how is a reporter going to make you doubt your game

... and there it is...

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70. "powerful"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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71. "Economies rooted in colonialism and imperialism... "
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Making foolish demands on people's time because "you get paid for it." Even though these demands wouldn't be relevant if these people didn't display world class ability on fields of play.

One would think that performing in front of hundreds of thousands of people and not shitting your pants demonstrates enough "mental toughness" but, settler culture.

  

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72. "RE: Economies rooted in colonialism and imperialism... "
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>Making foolish demands on people's time because "you get paid
>for it." Even though these demands wouldn't be relevant if
>these people didn't display world class ability on fields of
>play.

That's the economy that is allowing her to generate an obscene amount of personal wealth at a very young age.

If this were a different sort of economy, perhaps she would be playing for free/fun and living happily in a modest communal home.

But here we are, in the world as it exists.

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75. "and you somehow think it's incapable of adjusting"
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>>Making foolish demands on people's time because "you get
>paid
>>for it." Even though these demands wouldn't be relevant if
>>these people didn't display world class ability on fields of
>>play.
>
>That's the economy that is allowing her to generate an obscene
>amount of personal wealth at a very young age.
>
>If this were a different sort of economy, perhaps she would be
>playing for free/fun and living happily in a modest communal
>home.
>
>But here we are, in the world as it exists.

sideline reporting and post game/match interviews are stupid as fuck. they don't add or enhance anything. you get much better content and quality from one on one scheduled events.

again, if she wasn't good at tennis, no one would give a fuck what she said and when.

  

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76. "I really cannot believe people are reading their own replies"
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>again, if she wasn't good at tennis, no one would give a fuck
>what she said and when.

in this age of direct-to-fan social media, we got people arguing that Osaka's compensation is very much dependent on the "one day at a time" quotes given to fucking online newspapers and TV stations

and if world-class players don't talk to the media, the media will stop covering them. and the best tennis players in the world will be stuck playing at the YMCA as a hobby, because NBC is just going to show...something else!

*head tilt*

sports media and TV stations need Osaka, not the other way around

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77. "Officially off the Osaka train"
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A fan yelling you suck... when you're sucking...is no where near what the Williams sisters endured at Indian Wells

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intent of her statement... but that was a real lazy comparison to even mention

I was rooting for her
...but reporters are mean to me...
...fans say mean things...

Sounds more like she's not cut out for this than a mental health issue.

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78. "if all they said was just “Naomi you suck” then she ain’t built fo..."
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I was expecting something legit based on the Twitter wagon circling
Can’t compare that at all to the Williams treatment at that tournament

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79. "Remarkable the different standards we hold athletes to."
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Thinking if someone shouted that at me in my workplace...depending on my mood, might ignore it, or might just drop the dude. And I'd feel well within my rights.

And if someone shouted that at someone I cared about, well, all bets are off. Accountability, son.

But young woman trying her best, and she's "not built for it." Not built to take verbal abuse. Because she should be, because....???

  

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80. "This is what she chose...of course it's different "
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I took a similar defense in this post
But I can't defend her anymore
She chose to be a professional athlete
Pressers and hecklers come with the job.

What's really bothering me is I thought this would be an opportunity to focus on mental health, initially
It's starting to feel like excuses for losing
a #1 seed losing the first game of a 2nd round matchup 6-0 eliciting a you suck from a spectator is not verbal abuse, it's a fact.

Further
She's in a publicized celebrity relationship with Cordae
She's launched a cosmetic brand
and a clothing line

If someone was unhappy with those products, would it be verbal abuse to say they suck...?

She doesn't have to be a professional tennis player
She doesn't have to be in a celebrity relationship
She doesn't have to be a brand ambassador
Those are choices.

I was with her stepping away to focus on her mental health
She obviously still has work to do there
She's an incredibly gifted athlete physically
But mental toughness and fortitude are also characteristics that a professional athlete needs

It just may be a situation where she doesn't have the latter <shrug>

A 24y.o. shouldn't be reduced to tears by that incident IMO.

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82. "RE: This is what she chose...of course it's different "
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>hecklers come with the job.

Why?

  

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84. "Like I said, very disappointed that we're not talking about mental healt..."
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You're on a sports page of an internet message board
...and you're asking why fans are irrational...?
That's not even worthy of exploring IMO
and it's really disappointing that this topic has devolved to the level of intimating that all audiences should be silent because of 1 person
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86. "It isn't?"
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>That's not even worthy of exploring IMO

Seems like that's much more important than asking why an athlete isn't "tough" enough to endure abuse. Also seems to me that "mental fortitude" and the like should be the ability to outlast/outwork/outplay one's opponent, even when the odds seem against you.

>and it's really disappointing that this topic has devolved to
>the level of intimating that all audiences should be silent
>because of 1 person

Why does not abusing a player = having to be silent?

>Have a good weekend.

Sorry if being asked perfectly reasonable questions about the bounds of appropriate audience behavior makes you want to quit the discussion. You have a good weekend as well.

  

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102. "What are your thoughts on fuck ben simmons chants?"
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or booing a player?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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103. "what about booing a player at the FT line in womens basketball? "
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to try and make them miss?

I’m curious if this applies for all sports and all instances of crowd noise intended to disrupt a players game.


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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104. "word...let this man live."
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110. "I get worried for his health lol...he is so animated "
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You know he brings his own towel and puts it around his neck at the end of the game lol, I've seen him drinking gatorade at the end to replenish his fluids like he was out there setting screens for KD

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112. "I mean, in tennis, people don't yell at the opponent. "
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That's why, when it happens, it's so unusual and so disruptive. Because that's just not what happens. People don't yell "you suck" at tennis players during tennis matches.

It's like golf. If someone was screaming "you suck" at a golfer while they were getting ready to swing, that shit would not be viewed as kosher. Whereas in basketball, that's how it's been for as long as I know.

So I do think verbal outbursts from spectators affect athletes differently in different sports, depending on the expected spectator behavior.

And when you're the only person getting heckled at an event without any heckling? Yeah. I can imagine it'd fuck with you.

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113. "^^^ all of this. tennis != hoop. if this shit was normal, perhaps she'd ..."
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defenses built up. (or have been weeded out and washed out before making it this far).


>That's why, when it happens, it's so unusual and so
>disruptive. Because that's just not what happens. People don't
>yell "you suck" at tennis players during tennis matches.
>
>It's like golf. If someone was screaming "you suck" at a
>golfer while they were getting ready to swing, that shit would
>not be viewed as kosher. Whereas in basketball, that's how
>it's been for as long as I know.

a few interesting dynamics come to mind when doing a quick comparison of tennis+golf vs basketball.


>
>So I do think verbal outbursts from spectators affect athletes
>differently in different sports, depending on the expected
>spectator behavior.
>
>And when you're the only person getting heckled at an event
>without any heckling? Yeah. I can imagine it'd fuck with you.

especially if she was on edge to start with. certainly there's a particular history around that venue. maybe she was already in her own head about it and that was just a trigger.
>


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106. "Why do it?"
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Why not just cheer FOR your team/fave player?

I know I'm in a tiny minority here (obviously), but what does booing accomplish? Make somebody play worse, and thereby help your side? Maybe. But going back to the original incident: "Naomi, you suck!" I can't think much else but that that's a sad, silly little man who hates his shitty life, and thinks the best way to deal with that is to scream at young women.

Really, it's just that over time I've become more and more aware that for some people, in all areas of life, it's really important that they try to make others feel bad about themselves.

  

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107. "i don't disagree with you per se. "
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but if you sign up to be a public figure, you gotta deal with certain things.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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81. "Then you’re as fragile as she is , point blank "
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If someone said “you suck” and you’d accept that as grounds to fight? Whoo boy that’s a new level of sensitive.

I play pickup hoops and I’m on a Rec league ice hockey team. It’s constant shit talk, sometimes it’s pretty mean. It never crosses my mind to start a fight or quit.

People need thicker skins. I don’t know what’s going on when an athlete is told “you suck” and breaks down and we side with the athlete.

  

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83. "Does this say more about you or her?"
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>I don’t know what’s going on
>when an athlete is told “you suck” and breaks down and we
>side with the athlete.

  

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90. "99.9% of the people of earth’s lives are harder than hers "
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I have little to no sympathy for a professional athlete who can’t handle being told “you suck”.

She doesn’t have any kids. She’s not trippin over $5 a gallon. She’s not in Kyiv.

Give me a fuckin break.

  

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94. "She's rich and protected, therefore it's okay to verbally abuse her."
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95. "“You suck” isn’t verbal abuse! And you can die on this hill if you..."
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If she’s this fragile of a person she’s in the wrong line of work. Period.

My wife’s a teacher in Anacostia in DC. She’s been called way worse things and hit by students on a few occasions. She continues to do the work.

Naomi Osaka is out of touch with reality and and wants to be handled in bubble wrap. The world doesn’t work that way.

  

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98. "Well, first off, bless your wife for doing good work."
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However, you're still making the same relativist argument with her as you did with the victims in Kyiv. As it stands, it's a "not as bad as" statement:

1. What happened to Osaka is not as bad as what my wife has to deal with, and therefore Osaka should just deal with it or find another job.

But using your own example, you could extend this:

2. What happens to my wife is not as bad as what's happening to the Ukrainians huddled in makeshift bomb shelters, and therefore my wife should just deal with it or find another job.

3. What's happening to the Ukrainians huddled in makeshift bomb shelters is not as bad as what happened to European Jews during the holocaust, and therefore the Ukrainians should just deal with it.

(Or insert whatever moral horror you like into this sequence).

Now, I assume that you don't like the fact that your wife has to deal with both verbal and physical abuse at work, and that you'd prefer that the abuse stop, right? So you're drawing a line somewhere between #1 and #2, between what your wife has to deal with and what Osaka has to deal with, between what's tolerable and what shouldn't be. I mean, I assume when your wife gets home from work and mentions that a student yelled at her in class, you don't reply, "well, at least you're not in Kyiv!"

I'm simply drawing my line in a different place: I say ALL of it is bad. Some things are certainly much worse than others, but NONE of it should be tolerable or acceptable. That seems to me a perfectly reasonable position.

And look, relativism is easy and attractive. From another angle: last year I started having some fairly minor neurological problems related to the onset of arthritis in my neck and back. Numbness in my hands and feet, headaches, twitching, that sort of thing. Really kind of scary, because I'm only in my 40s. So I go to the doctor, and he sends me to physical therapy.

Go into the PT clinic for the first time, and I see all these people with obviously much worse problems than mine: got people with MS struggling on balance balls, people with ALS trying to use treadmills, all that stuff. And immediately I'm feeling really guilty. I say this to the therapist, that I feel like I'm just a pussy (didn't use exactly that word) and I'm wasting her time by being here when she should be helping people who really need it. But as she pointed out, that doesn't make sense. I'm being treated for the problem I have; they're being treated for the problems they have. Some problems are worse than others, but they should all be treated.

So I don't think Osaka should have to deal with it, I don't think your wife should have to deal with it, I don't think people generally should have to deal with it. But you can draw your line anywhere you like.

  

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99. "I've got more to say, but goddamn I respect your class. Truly. "
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almost everyone on here is a petulant brat when confronted with differing opinions. Instead, you've opted for articulately stating your case and taking the high road at the same time. Good points and no name calling, it's a breath of fresh air. Thanks for being cool I mean it.

  

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105. "I mean, it ain't always the case...."
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>fresh air. Thanks for being cool I mean it.

Getting old and soft.

But it ain't a hill to die on either way. I see both sides.

  

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101. "wait.. from you suck to Kyiv? That’s a bridge too far"
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but kudos for trying

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Tiger Woods
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108. "I actually started that lol and I was exaggerating"
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my point was there's people with dealing some extreme hardship and she's dealing with nothing of the sort

  

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109. "gotcha.. I was like hold the fuck up. "
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96. "you suck is verbal abuse? cmon b.. lol"
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legsdiamond
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97. "RE: you suck is verbal abuse? cmon b.. lol"
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and you have to be able to handle boos or the occasional heckle when you make this type of money playing a sport.

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85. "well my field is not for public consumption and entertainment "
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And I’m elite in my organization and industry so id really just be wondering how they even got in the building.

So yeah I do hold athletes and entertainers to a different standard. Same way with Westbrook. On a human level I feel for him but if you can bask in the love and adulation you can take some heckling as long as it’s not racial or threatening. And like I said about Westbrook the other day, take some time away from the game.

She got a whole crowd behind her but she got stuck on one person. I can’t rock with that or the parallel she attempted to draw.

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87. "RE: well my field is not for public consumption and entertainment "
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>the parallel she attempted
>to draw.

Obviously she got that wrong, but also worth asking why we tolerate the one but not the other. We're kind of saying, it's okay to scream "you suck!" as long as you don't scream "you suck because you're (half) black!" I understand perfectly why that line is currently drawn where it is, and surely the line is moving in the right direction over time, but maybe it hasn't gone far enough/

And look, I've shouted my fair share of abuse at athletes, in the past, so I understand the "irrational fan" situation bentagain brought up. I'm not claiming moral superiority. But now, at this point in my life (getting old AF) I'm wondering about the culture we live in that accepts (and even encourages) it.

  

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88. "she needs to retire if one heckle leads to a meltdown"
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also leads to a built in excuse for a bad outing.

I knew from the moment the first time she beat Serena and thought the crowd booing the ref was the crowd “hating” her for beating Serena she wasn’t built for this.

and it also takes away from the opponent she is playing. I didn’t see the match but if she was getting spanked by her opponent its kinda crappy to blame a heckler instead of giving her opponent credit.


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89. "It’s a fair question to consider"
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But the way she just seems to expect zero pushback…nah
And it’s very telling she has only really done this when she’s getting waxed like today or at the French where she knows she’s going to lose because she isn’t good on clay.

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100. "lmao at elite.. Osaka is also elite and gets heckled"
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its ridiculous to make the comparison tho, its part of her job to perform in front of crowds.

I think its more like getting criticized or berated by an intern or janitor.. lol.





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91. "You could never be a public school teacher. Lmao"
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92. "Lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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93. "Yeah. That's why I t taught college for 20 years instead."
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111. "Our society has always normalized abuse"
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In varying degrees, and there are *general standards of what someone should have to deal with or not in a respective environment, though usually according to people who are NOT dealing with said challenges/issues.

The fact that she openly shared about her mental health challenges would seemingly indicate to many that what *we think is something she should learn to deal with, is not something she currently can deal with like *the rest of us. That seems to be the lens applied by those who are "done" with her.

I always found it interesting how tennis and golf require such higher standards of etiquette from spectators than any of the four major team sports. In that respect, those athletes HAVE been taught and trained to deal with heckling, whereas golfers and tennis players are likely getting few and far between. Overall, they have always seemed much more high maintenance, and it has created expectations that often times seem unrealistic in comparison to other athletes. I mean think about McEnroe and Connors tantrums...does any of the major four get CLOSE to that level of showing up an official???

That being said, this quote from her sums it up well for me:

"I feel like I cried enough on camera. To be honest, I've gotten heckled before and it didn't really bother me. But heckled here. ... I've watched a video of Serena and Venus getting heckled here and if you've never watched it you should watch.

I don't know why but it went into my head and got replayed a lot. I'm trying not to cry but, I just wanted to say thank you and congratulations . Thank you."

I haven't finished paying for my online degree in psychology, but if one is already in their head a lot, the Williams sisters treatment could definitely work at you, even if *irrationally.

Despite all our TALK about mental health, society is still WAY behind in terms of actually recognizing and RESPECTING it. I'm looking at how return to a physical building post COVID (as one example but definitely not the entire spectrum of fora) without an actual business case, does not look at mental health as a real thing in the same way it does physical health.

I don't think it's fair for her to be depicted as just not tough enough. With really no incentive to do so, she openly and candidly supported BLM and acknowledged those brutalized or murdered by police, which could not have come without detractors and criticism.

The same way athletes exploit a known physical injury of their opponents, Naomi sharing this mental "injury" has made her all the more susceptible to exploitation with cover BECAUSE society has deemed certain levels of abusive conduct as acceptable and reasonable.

I sincerely hope that however long her career continues, she is able to live a life that is not cut short by her inability to manage the mental health challenges she deals with.

  

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114. "I went to a HS game a while back and yelled at the ref and the gym looke..."
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at me like I was crazy

My boy was like “yo, you cant do that anymore, they will kick you out”

maybe times are slowly changing. I think its weird but I heard kids cant chant “swing batter batter” at little league games

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115. "Lolol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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116. "One person's mental health journey looks different from others"
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After typing out a too-long reply for a half-hour, I think the issue here, like many issues in relationships, is about respect.

People with mental health conditions should be respected for coming out and stating they need help and are addressing them. And those with mental health conditions need to respect their process towards health requires accountability to work to be their best for themselves and their team.

And also, accommodation within something like a culture like sports is a long process. People struggling with their mental health should be heard, but they may have to accept it will take some time for others to process what they have to say.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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