If you had to pick one of them to play in this era?
I'm talking about prime, young Ewing before the injuries.
Question inspired by an actual argument over plates of chicken and rice watching this playoff game*
*also it's fucking wild to watch sports with a room full of friends again. Maybe not weird to people outside NYC or whatever, but damn, missed this ngl.
1. "This is harder than it seems. " In response to Reply # 0
Ewing was a generational talent. But how valuable would he be as is in this era? That said - his game would be different today because he was just that skilled. Given that, and the fact that Randle is a tremendous player but is really just a few time all star in today’s game and Ewing was an MVP candidate in his, I go him
3. "Cyren please delete this " In response to Reply # 0
This is so egregious
>If you had to pick one of them to play in this era? > >I'm talking about prime, young Ewing before the injuries. > >Question inspired by an actual argument over plates of chicken >and rice watching this playoff game* > > >*also it's fucking wild to watch sports with a room full of >friends again. Maybe not weird to people outside NYC or >whatever, but damn, missed this ngl. > > >
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6. "Better julius: randle or ceaser" In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
16. "RE: You've lost you're fuckin' mind postin' this bullshit LOL..." In response to Reply # 9 Sat May-29-21 01:01 PM by COOLEHMAGAZINE
For the record, I think I would pick Patrick!
But I think there is a legitimate debate to be had about what the value of old-school centers would be in the league today.
A guy like Olajuwon or David Robinson, sure
What about Robert Parish, Rik Smits, Alonzo Mourning? I like to think they would still be dominant players but maybe that's because I'm failing to recognize how much the game has changed.
Who would you rather start a team with; Trae Young or Rik Smits?
28. "I see what you’re referring to." In response to Reply # 26
Well, if Smits existed in this era, he would have the same skillset as players of this era. And I imagine Young would be similar to that of AI if he existed during the 90s.
That’s how it would work.
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17. "Thank you for providing me" In response to Reply # 0 Sat May-29-21 02:08 PM by Numba_33
with the deep, hearty laugh I just had reading this post.
That was meant to be a joke, correct?
**edit**
This silly post reminds me of when a co-worker was listening to Screaming A's radio show after Amare Stoudamire first season on the Knicks. Trolling ass Screaming A actually said Stoudamire was a better big man for the Knicks than Patrick Ewing. That was the moment I learned not to take anything this dude says seriously since he obviously will say anything for attention.
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**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
48. "He's in a similar situation like Brandon Ingram" In response to Reply # 45
in that he won't get a maximum max contract because the Knicks aren't Randle's original team just like the Pelican's aren't Ingram's original team, correct?
If that is the case, Randle getting a max contract won't hurt too badly since even if he fizzles out, he should be tradable.
Ultimately, it'll be up to what long term vision Leon Rose has for the team overall.
If I'm not mistaken, Leon Rose tried to cater this current Knicks team to what Randle thought were problems he initially had two seasons ago, so I suppose that could point to Leon Rose being a believe in Randle long term. Randle making improvements this season certainly will help in the Knicks giving him a long term contract.
I would hope getting an above average point guard would be a more pressing matter than Randle getting a long term contract because as much as he's improved as a ball handler, it was frustrating watching Randle have to orchestrate the offense in the half court. Having a capable starting point guard than can penetrate and find open players will make Randle's game flourish that much more.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
53. "He can get 5years 200 mil after next season" In response to Reply # 48
Or they could agree to 4 yr 105m extension now. Knicks are in a good position that they would 100% sign randle to that extension now or if randle wants tohold out for big money, knicks can sit back and watch how he performs next year.
Randle season was so impressive, its quite possible he doesn't repeat it....he made so many jumps.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Mon Jun-07-21 11:39 AM
56. "If I'm the Knicks, I'm selling the extension hard." In response to Reply # 53
Because (a) if he gets hurt next year, he's already got the money locked in, and (b) the extra money can be used to get a star guard to New York around him and Barrett. Gambling on yourself is fine, but after easily your best season to date? A little regression is a very reasonable potential outcome. Leverage yourself into the secure big money deal today, imo.
I'm more interested to see what happens with Derrick Rose.
57. "RE: If I'm the Knicks, I'm selling the extension hard." In response to Reply # 56
>Because (a) if he gets hurt next year, he's already got the >money locked in, and (b) the extra money can be used to get a >star guard to New York around him and Barrett. Gambling on >yourself is fine, but after easily your best season to date? A >little regression is a very reasonable potential outcome. >Leverage yourself into the secure big money deal today, imo.
Given that he's not even making 20 million per on his current contract, he'd be hurting his pockets to sign the four year extension now. As much as I'd want to keep him on the cheap to help the Knicks remain flexible to sign other players, I wouldn't get mad at him at all for wanting to get the bag. This opportunity is probably his best chance to get a big contract and locking in a four year contract averaging under 30 million in this day and age wouldn't help in that regard.
I'd have to imagine Leon Rose's plans with Randle will heavily depend on who else they chose to surround him with since Randle's deal should be focused on long term goals for the Knicks.
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Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Mon Jun-07-21 01:20 PM
58. "I agree that he’ll almost certainly wait." In response to Reply # 57
It’s not in the Knicks’ best interest, but it’s probably in his. That’s why the Knicks should have a long list of players who were hurt badly in the final year of their deal ready, lol.
59. "There was definate progress last year" In response to Reply # 58
but I don't think the Knicks at the moment are in any position to make any long term contract extensions for anything over $30 million per year. The offense needs major work in terms of getting a starting facilitator to help whoever will be the primary and secondary scorers for the team.
Signing a large four or five year deal without figuring that aspect of the team out first is a gamble at best and will languish the team with an untradable contract at worst. Leon Rose and company definitely have their work cutout for them this year.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all, and I'm sure he's a nice enough kid, but it's looking like drafting Obie Toppin was a terrible move since getting a serviceable starting point guard will prove to be a challenge this offseason. Would have been nice to have used that pick on young distributing point guard. Looks like that's a mistake the team will have to correct for going forward.
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Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Mon Jun-07-21 04:32 PM
62. "I honestly think Toppin will work out nicely..." In response to Reply # 59
... and to be fair to the Knicks, most mocks have Toppin going 4 or 5, so I imagine they were pretty delighted to have him slip all the way to 8.
Now, I had Haliburton above Toppin on my board-- I thought the Hawks should've taken him at 6, tbh, though I had Okongwu in my Top 4, so I can't blame them either-- but hindsight is 20/20 and it's a one-year sample size. That said... yeah, considering the Knicks' pretty drastic PG need, it'd definitely be nice for them to have Haliburton instead of Toppin in the next 1-2 years.
63. "Pg starved team shoulda def went haliburton there" In response to Reply # 62
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
66. "Lots of Jokes here and I jumped on too- but he did mention era" In response to Reply # 0
If you put it in a vacuum - Patrick’s offensive game doesn’t exist in the NBA anymore for a starting center. Even Olajuwons hasn’t aged well, but he was always more versatile and I’d trust him to stretch and rim run way more. He can also guard 4-5 positions.
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68. "RE: Lots of Jokes here and I jumped on too- but he did mention era" In response to Reply # 66
>If you put it in a vacuum - Patrick’s offensive game >doesn’t exist in the NBA anymore for a starting center. Even >Olajuwons hasn’t aged well, but he was always more versatile >and I’d trust him to stretch and rim run way more. He can >also guard 4-5 positions.
I don't know if I agree with that, Ewing was the better offensive player earlier in their careers, Hakeem didn't develop his offensive game until later. And people used the criticize Ewing for shooting to much away from the basket but that's what centers are praised for now. Hakeem was always the better defender at the pro level but I don't know about him guarding 4 or 5 positions either.
69. "RE: Lots of Jokes here and I jumped on too- but he did mention era" In response to Reply # 68
>>If you put it in a vacuum - Patrick’s offensive game >>doesn’t exist in the NBA anymore for a starting center. >Even >>Olajuwons hasn’t aged well, but he was always more >versatile >>and I’d trust him to stretch and rim run way more. He can >>also guard 4-5 positions. > >I don't know if I agree with that, Ewing was the better >offensive player earlier in their careers, Hakeem didn't >develop his offensive game until later. And people used the >criticize Ewing for shooting to much away from the basket but >that's what centers are praised for now. Hakeem was always the >better defender at the pro level but I don't know about him >guarding 4 or 5 positions either.
I think both changed drastically throughout their careers so I sometimes do conflate the best of all worlds.
Could definitely guard 4-5 positions but when he was an mvp and champ, he wasn’t this mobile and athletic. This version of Akeem would’ve been reduced to a pick and roll rim runner in today’s NBA
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